MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 9/30/25

20:18Brett Meiselas:I mean, it's really banana stuff that they hit the airwaves with the J.D. Vance and Donald Trump and all these mags. They all have their talking points. And quite frankly, it's humiliating and should deeply offend and upset every American that Republicans are just not going to work as we're looming, heading towards and will hit in all likelihood a government shutdown. They're like, we're done. We're you know, we're just going to we're going to tap out. Why again to appease Donald Trump? Because Donald Trump told his people don't talk to the Democrats. They don't want to help the American people.

20:49Brett Meiselas:They don't. It's gross.

20:51Ben Meiselas:Here's the information environment that we exist in. And I think Governor Gavin Newsom frames it appropriately. He goes, you know, these MAGA Republicans, they flood the zone with all of this disinformation. And when there's no pushback, they bend reality. They bend it. So we're not even seeing a reality. And they use their right wing controlled media and their social media platforms to push out the bending of reality. Now, to combat it, Democrats, people who just care about the truth, whether you're Democrat or Republican, you have to flood the zone with the truth. Now, even if you flood the zone with the truth, though, there's always going to be a little bit of a disparity, though, there are a lot of a disparity, because even if you flood the zone with the truth, sometimes you heard the expression, the truth hurts.

21:55Ben Meiselas:The truth sometimes isn't as easy to explain than making up a crazy lie. Donald Trump, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, they're eating the animals. Okay, that's not true. It's harder to explain. We need comprehensive immigration reform because there are vital functions that migrants play in our economy. Of course, we don't want migrants who are criminals in the United States. We have a concept called due process in the United States of America. We have to understand that there may be legitimate asylum seekers. We're a nation of immigrants. We want to get out criminals, but we got to make sure we have a comprehensive immigration reform system that works for the American people.

22:37Ben Meiselas:And that's kind and compassionate. They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. Think about the informational disparity of what I said versus they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. You know, for me to explain, let me explain to you what's happening to farmers right now. We have Donald Trump bailing out Argentina. Argentina, they all said, was going to be led by this Javier Malay, this brilliant master chess economist player. He knows how to do everything. We're bailing him out. The moment we bail Javier Malay in Argentina with your taxpayer dollars,$20 billion, they then undercut American soybean farmers who are already struggling because China's not buying our soybeans.

23:20Ben Meiselas:Literally, they're buying zero. And that's the largest export market that our farmers rely on. Also, there was USAID and a bunch of other export markets that don't buy America anymore. But then Argentina screwed us. they then sold their soybeans at a cheaper price to China. So China could also justify not selling or not taking in American exports, further screwing our farmers. And then Donald Trump says, I'm going to use the trillions of tariff dollars to help bail out and save our farmers. So what I just described to you, I could flood the zone with that truth. But Donald Trump says that he brought in$17 trillion.

24:01Ben Meiselas:That's a big number. And so lots of people are like, wait a minute, that's not true. 17 trillion. No, no, no. But it's got to be, what is it? 15 trillion? No, no, no, no, no. What is it? A$2 trillion deficit, a negative in the opposite direction. It went in the wrong direction. 2 trillion deficit, higher deficit now than under former President Biden that they were whining and complaining about. So not 17 trillion, negative$2 trillion. Last month was a$345 billion deficit. But you see that there is an appeal to an easy answer lie. So even where you flood with the truth, if you flood with the lie, the truth tellers have to figure out, well, how do I still compete with the lie?

24:48Ben Meiselas:And I'll tell you though what my solution is. And it may sound corny and cheesy, but you have to appeal to people's core decency, core empathy, core right versus wrong, in addition to flooding the zone with the truth. What you have to do is say that behavior is just not American. That behavior right there is grotesque. It is evil. It is authoritarian. You have to call the issue what it is. Just as Gavin Newsom said about Stephen Miller, you are a fascist. And then Stephen Miller and Don June like, oh my God, they're calling me a fascist. What do you think he's trying to do? And Newsom's like, I'm trying to call you a fascist because you're behaving like a fascist.

25:28Ben Meiselas:That's what I'm calling you. Moral clarity, being direct. But I think it was, I'm going to go talk more about obviously what's going on with the shutdown, but I think that's an important framing of the information environment we're living in. Sorry. Sorry. I went on a little tangent there.

25:41Jordy Meiselas:No, I think it's a good point. And I think it could be summed up like this, right? There's a phrase that truth can be a bitter pill to swallow, right? But lies could go down a lot easier than the truth, I think is what you're trying to say. The thing is, while those lies may go down easier and it may not be as bitter as actually taking a truth pill, those lies are poison pills that are quite literally killing you. And that's what we see here in the United States of America. We are seeing Donald Trump and these Republicans shoving poison pills down the American people's throats on a daily basis.

26:13Jordy Meiselas:We see them backed up by all of these algorithms. Let's not underestimate here the power of Elon Musk purchasing a platform like Twitter, turning it into X, turning it into a right-wing propaganda platform that uplifts some of the worst, most heinous lies imaginable, puts the worst people's voices dead front and center, and basically silences the truth. That's one of the whole big points. He doesn't care if he's making a profit off this thing. He cares that he's using this as a propaganda weapon. So, Ben, when you say that people need to find ways to be loud and break through that noise, I think that's one of the reasons why Gavin Newsom has been able to break through because he is doing this all-cap strategy both literally and figuratively.

26:57Jordy Meiselas:And we are living right now in an all-caps Donald Trump world where everything is, you know, five alarm fire, the littlest things get blown up as the biggest things like a dumb cracker barrel thing or a Sidney Sweeney thing or whatever you name it. There was this MAGA army online that's boosted by Musk, that's boosted by all of these Trump people that is pushing all of these lies, whether the situation is a silly situation or whether it's something deadly serious like a shooting. And we saw a few shootings over the weekend and we saw how once again, the lies spread. Like once we found out that one of the shooters, the shooter in Michigan, when we found out that he was a big Trump supporter wearing Trump merch, constantly posting Trump things, a Trump family, what happened?

27:40Jordy Meiselas:Well, the MAGA people kept lying. They photoshopped the Trump images off of his clothes and then said that those the real images of him wearing the Trump stuff was photoshopped. You see the New York Post masking what actually is the truth behind it. You see this, you know, both kind of mainstream information ecosystem in New York Post and Fox and all these Murdoch properties backing up this kind of right wing, you know, whatever you want to call it. this propaganda ecosystem on X and on these other platforms and just boosting the most heinous lies imaginable. The entire point is to pollute the information environment, make the truth just unknowable for the average American.

28:22Jordy Meiselas:And then that way, the oligarchs could get their way. They could do whatever they want. They could continue to consolidate and buy up things and own everything and control the flow of information. And they get richer while people like the soybean farmers are getting absolutely screwed. And then they have, then Donald Trump has to bail them out. I mean, it's, it's like this, we see this same cycle repeat over and over and over again. And we, we understand where it's coming from. There's a reason why the people who are screwing over the people are investing so much money in controlling the flow of information to make sure that those people who are getting fucked over the most do not realize who is fucking them over.

29:00Ben Meiselas:And then in Ponzi scheme fashion, what does Trump say about everything? I just need two weeks. Give me four weeks. Give me a month. Give me maybe 2027. What Trump likes about the shutdown is as he sees it, it buys him more time in his Ponzi scheme. He views it as confusing the turf. And look, we were doing great. Golden age, 24 karat gold everywhere. But the Democrats, they screwed I was right there. That's how he, you have to understand what his pathology is, why he actually wants a shutdown to take place here. That's why we got to hold him accountable and come with the facts. Brett, you mentioned this.

29:36Ben Meiselas:So let me talk about this quickly. Two mass shootings involving U.S. combat veterans occurred within 24 hours. You had a guy named Nigel Edge in North Carolina and Thomas Sanford at the Mormon Church in Michigan. And again, over and over again, we're seeing that these people are either veterans or white people quite frequently. You mentioned, we're showing for those audio listeners, the Sanford, the Michigan shooter, white guy, veteran, Trump shirts, Trump signs at his home. The way New York Post reported it, they go, Michigan church gunman's mom posted eerie message about someone avoiding accountability days before.

30:15Ben Meiselas:They literally covered up the Trump sign with like a social media post blocking the sign. And so the real photo is her holding up a Trump ban sign. And they also cropped it so you don't see her standing behind one of those Trump mannequins, you know, the mannequins that Marjorie Taylor Greene grabs the crotch of. So the New York Post, they cropped it so you don't see the Trump mannequin and you don't see her posting.

30:40Jordy Meiselas:I mean, come on, this is some evil shit. And And this is the same paper that constantly, but you know, before anybody knew anything about like the, the other shooters we've seen over the past few weeks, every article, left wing maniac, left wing shooter, left wing shooter, leftist, this leftist, this, and then a very obvious, a Trump voter commits a horrific shooting. And then this, these are their stories and this is how they cover it. And this is how they cover it up. It's just, it's just so sick to me and notice we're not blaming all MAGA people for this shooting. You don't see us on the mightiest touch podcast going, this is war.

31:10Jordy Meiselas:We're going to go to war with you. We're going. No, because that's crazy. And that's not how we react to these things. But you have to remember, that's how those people reacted to, you know, the other incidents that we've seen recently. It's the same thing as that you mentioned it before when Gavin Newsom called Stephen Miller a fascist online. Oh, the feigned outrage from all these MAG influencers. We need to criminally indict Gavin Newsom for calling Stephen Miller a fascist. I'm like, well, that sounds kind of fascist now, doesn't it? You want to take away Gavin Newsom's free speech and throw him in jail because he called you a fascist?

31:42Jordy Meiselas:Well, I think he's got a lot of good reasons for it. And then you saw once again that propaganda pile on from all of those people. How dare you call him a fascist? You look at all those people's past posts. They kept a million posts calling Democrats a fascist, calling Biden a fascist. There's no consistency. It's all how do we control the narrative? It's how do we spread enough lies so that we could dupe the American people into taking away their health care, into taking away their SNAP, into taking away their benefits, and taking away all the things they need so that we can consolidate power for the richest Americans.

32:13Jordy Meiselas:Same playbook every single time, every single day from these right-wing grifters online.

32:18Brett Meiselas:It's perfectly said, B. And I just want to add this too, like on a really serious note. The fact is like we will never be able to move forward as a functioning society until we at minimum just acknowledge the root problem with mass shootings in the US. So I did some research from 2000 to 2019 about 97, 98 % of mass shooters in the U.S. have been male. Now, according to the Violence Project Mass Shooter Database, over 52 % of those mass shooters have been white men. So yes, 100%, it is the guns. And yes, it is the mental illness. But yes, this country is systematically failing entire generations of young men by just like willfully ignoring clear warning signs of isolation or chronic online behavior, or in some instances, PTSD, and constantly, to your point exactly, Brett, trying to scapegoat the other.

33:09Brett Meiselas:I mean, look at how these Republicans have acted dating back to Butler from over the summer. It's the same story over and over again. The shooter, it's a trans. No, it's a leftist. It's this group. No, it's that group. And then time and time again, when the facts come out, it's always a relatively young white male with easy access to guns who spends a tremendous amount of time online and who has totally isolated himself from his peers and frankly reality. And so when the facts and data are just staring you in the face and the best you could come up with is thoughts and prayers, that tells me that you don't actually want to solve this epidemic and you don't want to help these young men.

33:51Brett Meiselas:Instead, what these MAGA Republicans are trying to do, they're trying to just use these massacres and tragedies to score their political talking points. It's really frigging gross.

34:01Ben Meiselas:Well, and then they defund mental health. They say, we got to focus on mental health. Yes, we do have to focus on mental health to your point, but we also need common sense gun reform, which over 85 % of Americans support, which MAGA Republicans refuse to acknowledge that you pair gun toting people, you know, and no, it's a gun toting, but like with mental health issues and weapons of war proliferating, that's a recipe that makes America in this unique category for every single day. It seems like there's a mass shooting. All right, we're going to take our first quick break of the show. That was a long segment right there, but we got a lot of information in that needed to be discussed.

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38:41Ben Meiselas:I just can't emphasize enough as we've been heading towards this government shutdown. You have the MAGA Republicans. They refused up until today from even speaking with Democrats. I've showed you the clip before, so I don't need to show it again, but I've done it on like 50 videos now where I've showed the clip of Donald Trump on Fox a few weeks back saying, I've ordered the Republicans do not speak with Democrats. We don't need the Democratic votes. when you do need the Democratic votes in the Senate. You need 60. But by the way, even if you didn't need the Democratic votes, why would you behave that way?

39:19Ben Meiselas:Why wouldn't you talk to the other side who represents tens of millions plus people, 60, 70, 80, 90, 150 million, maybe more, maybe even closer to 200 million people, especially with California being the biggest state, 200 million. You see, I was understating it. Trump overstates. I do understate. But it probably close to 200 million Americans are represented by Democrats if you look at population. Unfortunately, they didn't come all on a vote, but maybe they should have voted. But why wouldn't you want their perspective about, you know what I mean? Even if you don't have to speak with the other party, isn't that part of what our process is about?

40:01Ben Meiselas:But here, you do have to speak. And then rather than talk about what we can do together to help America, Republicans frame their entire, if you want to think of one common strand, it's let's own the libs. Let's destroy the libs, destroy the other political party. I remember Stephen Miller's wife, I guess she goes on Fox a lot now. She goes, he wakes up in the morning and he goes, How am I going to beat the Libs? That's such a strange framing of America. What is that even? Why? Why wouldn't you wake up and say, how do we root for America? How do we help America? Wasn't that also the perspective at that Ryder Cup?

40:43Ben Meiselas:It wasn't like, let's cheer on the American team. It's how does the crowd, very kind of Trumpy golf crowd on Long Island, which is where I grew up right around that area, by the way. So rough one for me. But they were all like, how do we mock the players? They were calling one of the other golfers fat. They were screaming at one of the other players, you know, FU, FU, FU while he was hitting because it was about, it wasn't about rooting for America. It was about, wasn't that a microcosm of what magus? Oh my God. It's perfect.

41:16Jordy Meiselas:It's the perfect representation of Americans today of how we're viewed by the world. It was that on display, like that behavior. I was watching so many videos of this last night, just going through them on TikTok of all the crowds and everything. Just some of the most reprehensible, most vile behavior that I have ever seen. I was embarrassed as an American, as a New Yorker, as a Long Islander to see that sort of behavior from these people in the crowds who are behaving like animals, quite frankly, the way they were just like yelling at the players. I mean, this is golf, right? Like these golfers are not used to that sort of behavior from the crowds.

41:49Jordy Meiselas:They're not used to that when they play at the Masters. They're not used to, I mean, it was just like the sickest thing and such a microcosm of the issues with the United States right now. We become this just amoral kind of hellhole of Donald Trump and MAGA people who, despite being in the minority, are so loud and so obnoxious and just want to kind of yell and scream and blow everything up rather than actually try to make things better. And that's the issue. I can't think of a president in my lifetime other than Donald Trump who was only president for his voters. Like we always – we had presidents from multiple parties growing up, right, whether it was even George W.

42:30Jordy Meiselas:Bush or Barack Obama or Biden or you name it. They always, once they got into office, said, I promise to be a president for all Americans. That's not something that Donald Trump ever tries to do. That's not something he even pretends to do. He specifically is always trying to rile up this MAGA base and is trying to stick it to Democrats, stick it to like half the population. And I think those Representative Alford's comments that we played in the beginning of this episode are very indicative of that sort of mindset, that kind of bullying mindset. They don't care about actually getting things done, keeping the government operating, trying to make sure people have their health care, other benefits, making sure people are doing great, able to afford homes, able to afford things.

43:12Jordy Meiselas:it's all a game to them and they just want to kind of make their people feel good by punching down

43:18Brett Meiselas:on other people 1 000 1 000 no i just wanted to add so the writer cup the fans there yeah we grew up right around those parts and so i'm going to drop a new term on the show that people might not be aware of brothers you may be uh yes sir yeah that's exactly where i'm going so i was just that is a throwback so i went to ohio state which is in columbus and so when i went to ohio state the brief story here is like a lot of long islanders went to ohio state that same year and it was a lot for the folks in ohio to see all this long island energy now i'm not saying they referred to me as this but they referred to sort of the group that's all long islanders as something

43:53Jordy Meiselas:called a flit man have you ever heard of flits i don't know i don't know ben knows the term he

43:57Brett Meiselas:doesn't know genuinely no idea i've never heard the term a flit is a fucking long island douchebag and so that is just what you know but that got casted on and i thought unjustly so now i am looking at the Ryder Cup and I am seeing these frigging Flids just acting absolutely chaotic, animalish, disgusting. And there is no better word to describe those folks than Flids because, oh, it just, it really upsets me seeing that. And by the way, a lot of those people that were grouped as the Flids, they all became MAGA from the ones that I went to college.

44:35Jordy Meiselas:Yeah, there's definitely a big overlap. The Flid equals MAGA. Yeah, like that's MAGA.

44:39Brett Meiselas:Yeah, concentric circles. There just might as well be one big circle.

44:42Ben Meiselas:Look, the whole thing is, but it's the broader point. I don't mean to get into a writer conversation, but the reality is that it's about we should root for America, not rooting against one another, right? And that was what was on display there. And I want to bring us back to this meeting that Donald Trump refused to do in public, refused to have the cameras there. I mean, what was he scared about? or what did he want? He wanted this moment where then J.D. Vance goes out and J.D. Vance says, I think we're heading towards a shutdown because of the Democrats. And this is how they see it. It's not an accurate framing.

45:20Ben Meiselas:All Democrats want to do is literally across the country say, if you are on an Affordable Care Act plan, the tax credits that currently exist, just keep them in place. Just keep them in place and we're good. I think, Brett, to your point, I would actually want the Democrats to do more. I think they should say we want ice off the streets and but Democrats said, okay, let's keep healthcare. That's the fight because people are going to die. People are going to go into medical bankruptcies. But here's what J.D. Vance says. Let's play the first one. And the fact that they refuse to do that shows how unreasonable their position is.

45:52Ben Meiselas:I think we're headed to a shutdown because the Democrats won't do the right thing. I hope they change their mind, but we're going to see. I don't want to speak. I mean, what a ridiculous thing to say. The Republicans aren't even in Congress today. Then J.D. Vance says, if you look at the original thing they did with the negotiation, it was a$1.5 trillion spending package for illegal aliens, which is literally entirely false. There's not even a little bit that's true. Federal law even prevents that money from going to people who are not here in a document. Every aspect's a lie. But here, play it.

46:24Ben Meiselas:But if you look at the original thing they did with this negotiation, it was a$1.5 trillion spending package, basically saying to the American people, we want to give massive amounts of money, hundreds of billions of dollars to illegal aliens for their health care while Americans are struggling to pay their health care bills. That was their initial foray into this negotiation. We thought it was absurd. We told them it was absurd. And now they come in here saying, yeah, that's not true. Like literally like, but like you're like, come on, there's got to be part of that's true because who lies like that?

46:56Ben Meiselas:They do. A guy like J.D. Vance, who's gone by three separate names, once thought he was gay, now says he's not gay and doesn't like gay. And he's, he's, he's, he represents Appalachia, but wasn't from Appalachia. The guy's whole life is just making up personalities and identities for himself. Like a guy, like literally just a total liar. Like, no, cause no aspect of it's true. Then here's JD Vance right here. I'm saying, yeah, you know, and then they go into ones that are just like, so, so wild to even think about like like yeah you know they really what they were demanding was transgender surgeries for peruvians that's transgender surgeries for peruvians what the f here play this clip

47:40Jordy Meiselas:right so just to be clear is there room for negotiation here with democrats and you mentioned you believe that we are headed toward a government shutdown is the federal government preparing to fire federal workers if the government doesn't shut down well first of all we have to keep

47:55Ben Meiselas:essential services functioning as well as possible if the democrats shut down the government and russ has been tasked with making sure that's possible now you asked about negotiations one of the things i admired about the president but frankly the entire team's approach during the conversation we just had with chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries was you know yeah they have some crazy ideas giving taxpayer money to illegal aliens for health care that's a crazy idea funding transgender surgeries in peru that's a crazy idea but they had some ideas that i actually what well i mean like literally what?

48:24Ben Meiselas:That's never been a demand. But in right-wing media, they will push that out. And their MAGA base believes that that's a reality. And it's just not even any relationship to the real world. It's like Donald Trump posting about super secret alien medical bed technologies that cure cancer. And that the government's been keeping it secret from you. And that JFK was secretly cured by the med bed.

48:52Jordy Meiselas:I just wish, Ben, I wish there would be one like moment, one moment of epiphany that some of these people would have that follow people like J.D. Vance or follow these right-wing people online that would go, oh, wow, they lied to me about that. Something so stupid. Perhaps if they lied to me about something as stupid as Peruvian transgender surgeries or they Photoshopped the Trump image, the logo off the shooter to make it seem like he was. If they lied to me about that, perhaps they're lying to me about all this other stuff. I don't know. Like I, I know that's far too much that I could ever hope for, but I really do wish that this, like that some of these things would trigger that emotional response in some people.

49:36Jordy Meiselas:I mean, they, they were people yesterday, guys, who were spreading the lie that the whiteout game at Penn state, which is when it's a popular home game at Penn State football game every single year this happens where all the students of Penn State wear white to the games. And all the right wing influencers yesterday were pushing that they were wearing white in order to honor Charlie Kirk. And they pushed that out. And the New York Post pushed that out. All these channels pushed that out. And it's just like a total bullshit lie. It's like, if you're going to lie to people about that, you're going to lie to people about anything.

50:12Jordy Meiselas:I wish some of the people, like if you're a Penn State, right? If you're a Penn State fan, if you're a football fan, I don't know, and you're watching people push these blatant lies, at some point, don't you go, oh, I get it now. These people are fucking liars. They lie about everything. Okay. If you're willing to lie to me about that, maybe you're lying about the Peruvian transgender surgeries. Maybe you're lying about all the things as you try to take away my healthcare. I mean, you could go the entire list and it's a lie after lie after lie after lie. I just wish people would kind of wise up to it.

50:44Brett Meiselas:And Brett, it's also corporate media complicity. And I'm going to beat the heck out of this drum because why doesn't anyone follow up and be like, who's asking for the Peruvian sex changes? Who are you specifically referring to, J.D. Vance? But again, this is why they don't bring the cameras in with Chuck and Donald. This is why they're trying to keep you separate. They being MAGA and Donald Trump and Vance, they don't want you to see it because they don't want you to see the pushback from the Democrats on this. What Donald Trump and MAGA wants to do is once again, in this instance, control the narrative.

51:19Brett Meiselas:And this is their way of controlling the narrative because to the Charlie Kirk example, Brett, with the Penn State whiteout, I've been to that game. I used to go to that. That game was sick. Shout out Penn State for doing those whiteouts. They're actually incredible. As someone who went to Ohio State, I could say it's awesome. But in no way is that connected at all to anything that happened around Charlie Kirk. However, if you're a frequent reader of the New York Post, you would see a headline, a big story headline about how this was in honor of him. It's really gross. And it's that corporate media complicity where no one has a backbone to stand up and be like, hey, this isn't true.

51:51Brett Meiselas:No one wants the Peruvian sex changes for free. What are you talking about, J.D. Vance? It's really bonkers stuff.

51:58Ben Meiselas:And anything so too that the right-wing influencer, Benny Johnson, showed up with the white shirt to then push this agenda also, right? Like he showed like, like who even thinks to do something like that? Like, wouldn't you just feel such a degree of shame that you'd be like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to really pretend that the white out is the white Charlie Kirk shirt.

52:20Jordy Meiselas:Let's take it one step deeper to white shirts that said the word freedom on it. Right. It just said freedom on the front of it. And so you have Benny Johnson out there and he's like throwing out these shirts. He takes this photo of his people. You can see we're showing it right here, like by tents, like by tailgating. And he's like, look, I'm giving out freedom shirts. And then the New York Post, they coordinate these headlines to say thousands of Penn State fans wear Charlie Kirk iconic freedom shirt. And you look at the picture, there's not a single one of these shirts in the crowd. Like not one.

52:50Jordy Meiselas:I saw one video where they zoomed in on two people in the crowd wearing them out of 110 ,000 people in the stadium. But this is like how fascist propaganda works. It seems silly. It seems like, oh, who cares? But this is how fascist propaganda works. And notice how they latch on to these big cultural moments in order to try to push this agenda. What the New York Post is trying to do there, the Murdochs are trying to do in coordination with the Benny Johnsons and Elon Musk and this whole kind of fascist crew online is say, look, the culture is with us. Oh, you want to be cool? You're into football.

53:22Jordy Meiselas:You're into golf. You're into UFC, you're into whatever. Well, Donald Trump is into that stuff. And that's what's cool, right? And so if you want to be cool, then that means you're a Republican and you got to support the fascist takeover. It's all a part of this kind of fascist propaganda machine that we're seeing. And it's silly and it looks very obviously silly, but it's very malicious. It's malignant and it is very intentional, the things that they select.

53:48Ben Meiselas:And it's potent because people's defenses aren't really up to protect against it. So it's potent. It infects. It has an intended target, and it works unless you're able to point out the dangerousness and absurdity and let people know, here's what's actually happening. And that's part of what we try to do here on the Midas Dutch network. I mean, you talk about how they try to make you believe anything at this point. I mean, look, Trump's out there. He's done talking about Epstein, right? To now, to MAGA, everything Jeffrey Epstein was a gigantic hoax. It's part of the deep state. They attacked the victims.

54:29Ben Meiselas:Somehow Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted sex trafficker, she's like a hero in their story. And everything they said about the Epstein files, they're like, yeah, not true anymore. Donald Trump said it's not true. Trump said I'm not going to turn over any more documents. One of the things that I think needs to be mentioned is one of the reasons they've shut down Congress today and tomorrow is because Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva, she should be Congresswoman Grijalva right now because she won by 40 points. she should be sworn in immediately but she becomes the 218 signature on the discharge petition by Democratic Congress member Ro Khanna and Republican Congress member Thomas Massey and then there should be a vote on the house floor it should have taken place today or tomorrow to release the Epstein files because they got 218 so they want to shut down the government not allow members to show up today that's why because they don't want to swear her in.

55:27Ben Meiselas:And then they'll be like, yeah, we'll just see where this shutdown takes us. And then we don't, we could just try to avoid the Epstein files that way. All right. When we come back, I want to talk about for Trump, it's a golden age for American farmers and Americans, not so much. Then I want to talk about Donald Trump invading of Portland, Oregon, and Donald Trump sending hundreds of ice officers through Chicago, Illinois. Did you see that yesterday? Just to like literally terrorize the community. The way I want to just keep this thread quickly before we go to our last break of the show. Have you ever been to Universal Horror Nights or one of those things where they literally go around trying to scare you and pop up around the corner?

56:09Ben Meiselas:That's actually what it looked like to be in Chicago yesterday. It looked like the Hollywood Horror Nights at Universal because they had their Trump Gestapo walking around throughout Chicago and they would pop up from like around the corner. They'd be in the water. And they would literally try to scare you like it was those horror nights to provoke you to do something. So they go, aha, you see, violent person. Let's bring in the troops. Let's bring in the Marines. That's what our cities look like, except it's not the Hollywood horror nights. It's the American cities that Trump and MAGA is doing this through.

56:48Ben Meiselas:All right, let's take our last quick break of the show. Reminder, Patreon. We're going to go right after the show. If you want to meet Brett Geordi and me, if you ever wanted to meet us, ask us questions. 45 minute power. It can't be a power hour if it's 45 minutes. Power 45. We'll go through all your questions. I look forward to meeting you. Last quick break of the show, home stretch.

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1:00:23Ben Meiselas:city, Portland, Oregon. But before going into that, I do again just want to highlight some of Donald Trump's big announcements over the past few days. Okay. 24 karat gold everywhere. That's what he's bragging about in a social media post. He goes, I've got so much gold and it's real gold all over the White House that foreign leaders freak out when they see the quality of my gold in the White House. Okay. Then he's got a 90 ,000 square foot ballroom that he wants to be all gold. Yeah, you guessed it right. Then Donald Trump was bragging about UFC fights in front of the White House. So there was that as well.

1:01:06He ripped to shreds the people's rose garden and

1:01:10Ben Meiselas:turned it into a club for rich Republicans to attend. And he put those yellow umbrellas so it looks like Mar-a-Lago. And they bragged about bailing out Argentina because they love Javier Malay. That's what they were talking about. And then rather than focus on helping soybean farmers, corn farmers and cotton farmers and a ton of other produce that's being screwed. Donald Trump sacrificed all leverage in trade negotiations with China, by the way, including America protecting Taiwan. Remember when that was the supposed big issue of Republicans? Obama and Biden's weak on Taiwan. OK, Donald Trump didn't let the president of Taiwan land in the United States in transit to Central America.

1:02:01Ben Meiselas:That's the respect or lack thereof that Donald Trump showed Taiwan. But Donald Trump has focused with China on trying to secure a TikTok subsidiary in the United States for Trump's rich oligarch friends so that they, and apparently Benjamin Netanyahu, because Netanyahu said yesterday that this was a big priority for him, that Netanyahu and American oligarchs can control that algorithm, that that's very important for them. Netanyahu said that. He goes, Netanyahu said, what's most important for me, that TikTok algorithm, that's why we want to control that deal, and X with Elon Musk. So our United States Senate and Congress do very few things on a bipartisan basis.

1:02:46Ben Meiselas:They agreed, like it or don't like it. A few years back, that TikTok was a national security threat. They did studies, they showed, they said this is a national security threat. We're blocking TikTok, create something else. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't like it. So what Donald Trump then does is begs China, can we have an American subsidiary in TikTok? Meanwhile, this is a gift to China because now they're strengthened in their negotiation, knowing that that's what Trump wants for his rich oligarch friends, because Trump's dream is I'm going to control this and make it a MAGA algorithm and help whatever my overall MAGA perspective is.

1:03:27Ben Meiselas:And our soybean farmers are getting screwed, like literally going bankrupt. So now we have to bail out the farmers, which is literally socialism, actually socialism, while Donald Trump, what, rails against mom donnie in new york who's trying to make buses more affordable and groceries more affordable and actually focus on manhattan first like just put that put that could you imagine if

1:03:52Jordy Meiselas:like we were looking at like france or something and we're like emmanuel macron wants to send the military into paris and bordeaux and nice like we'd be like what the fuck is this guy doing like this is a maniac it's like a who attacks their own cities like uh you sometimes you need to separate yourself from the actual kind of everybody listening knows it's crazy but sometimes you need to like put it in the perspective of another country to go like, yeah, that is actually insane. I mean, speaking of these ballots and the, and the soybean stuff that everybody see this picture of Scott Besant, like they took it at the, at the UN general assembly of his phone.

1:04:21Jordy Meiselas:Somebody caught up a picture of him on a text with Brooke Rollins, who is the secretary of agriculture talking about this issue. And just so you know, like, it's not like, oh, the Midas touch guys are saying that, uh, you know, China is completely pulling one over on Donald Trump and they're getting screwed. Like that's what they're saying in their own text messages. Like if you read this text message and I was able to get a high res picture of it, it says, and it appears to be from Brooke Rollins to Scott Besson. Finally, just a heads up, I'm getting more intel, but this is highly unfortunate.

1:04:51Jordy Meiselas:We bailed out Argentina yesterday. And in return, the Argentines removed their export tariffs on grains, reducing their price and sold a bunch of soybeans to China at a time when we would normally be selling to China. Soy prices are dropping further because of it. That gives China more leverage on us. These are the messages that they are sending to each other. They are acknowledging that they are getting screwed, that China is completely outmaneuvering them. If you just look at their own text, by the way, Scott Bessick, can you get a privacy screen for your phone or something? What are you doing here?

1:05:22Ben Meiselas:You know, and could you imagine using that example of French President Emmanuel Macron? Could you imagine if he spent all of his time at the United Nations and elsewhere talking about who's another French president? Sarkozy, right? One of the previous French presidents, like, and Sarkozy was the worst. And Sarkozy, like, dude, what do you, you'd be like, all right, this guy's, why is he talking about Sarkozy? Or why is he talking about whoever? Like the fact that Donald Trump goes up there and thinks to the international community that I'm going to trash the former administration, and that that's going to make you look strong.

1:06:01Ben Meiselas:All it makes you look like is that people can't deals with America because there's no continuity and respect for the institution of the president. Let's just assume you despise the predecessor. You still have to keep some aspect of the institution, but Trump came in and Trump immediately shut all of that down. I want to give a hat tip to a lot of our team right here at the Midas Touch Network, who are out there across all of the channels right now, pushing back on this. Brett, what was it on CNN? What am I thinking of right now? There was this powerful moment on CNN where, what's his name, was like, I'm a 22-year-old YouTuber.

1:06:52Ben Meiselas:Mockler and Scott Jennings. Yes, Mockler and Scott Jennings. was on there. And Marco was like, I'm a YouTuber, man. Like you're saying that I'm responsible. Trump's the one who set this whole tone. I'm just out here calling Donald Trump out right now. I thought that was such a good moment. But I do want to talk before we go about Donald Trump's invasion of cities right now. Right. We know that the lawsuit, of course, was filed to block what Trump is doing in Oregon. We had the opportunity to speak with the attorney general who filed this lawsuit against Trump. We've seen these arguments now made before, violation of Posse Comitatus Act, violation of the 10th Amendment, states' rights.

1:07:35Ben Meiselas:Remember when MAGIT all pretended to be states' rights, but now they have the federal government invading states right now. Obviously, a violation of just executive powers in general and the separation of powers. So that lawsuit was filed. When Donald Trump posted a message though, and said, utilize full force, people in the military don't even like, that's not a command, like full force. So people at the Pentagon, other than Hegseth, were like, what does that even mean? You want us to use, you want us to kill people? What does that mean? Use full force. While that's taking place, Hegseth has summoned 800 top generals and admirals to Quantico tomorrow.

1:08:17Ben Meiselas:So Tuesday, They'll be there because he wants to talk about the warrior ethos and hygiene and how people should groom themselves. Apparently, that's, you know, it seems like he just wants to act like a tough guy. Notably, when Trump was asked a question about it last week, Trump in his cognitively addled state as well or just whatever. Trump thought that they were talking about meeting with world leader generals. I think you should talk to world leaders. Yeah, I think you should absolutely talk to the world leaders. and then J.D. Vance had to step in. It was like, they're talking about American generals.

1:08:51Ben Meiselas:800 of them across the world are leaving their positions right now. And we've signaled that to the rest of the world so that they could be there in front of Pete Hegseth. That Daily Beast article that came out talked about Hegseth just getting into these like rages where he just yells and he paces around and he foams at the mouth. By the way, a good scoop, I guess, but like we see it. Like I see the guy in person. So like, you know, I, I, I'm aware that's his behavior, but people are, but, but the generals are concerned that that's his behavior as well. It's just these group of people, Brett and Jordy, they're just a mess and they're dangerous.

1:09:32Ben Meiselas:And you go to a story like, um, New York times, uh, reported, you know, these fishing boats that Trump keeps blowing up off the coast of Venezuela and New York times reporter shows up in Venezuela and they're interviewing people. We're learning more about the identity, according to family members, fishermen, not narco terrorists. By the way, Trump was the one who created a label, narco terrorists, in order to say, well, if you're a terrorist and I call you narco terrorist, then I get to kill you no matter what, just because I declare you. And by the way, we know what Donald Trump has done to migrants here.

1:10:12Ben Meiselas:He's called them terrorists, MS-13, and he's like literally uses like scribble drawings on people's knuckles that actually are superimposed that don't say MS-13. And so look, it says MS-13. And they fired the ABC reporter for that, for asking him questions about it basically. And then saying Stephen Miller has hate in his heart afterwards because he did have hate in his heart. But you get fired for saying that you have hate in your heart.

1:10:38Jordy Meiselas:You get fired for telling the truth these days. But yeah, I mean, just like, listen to this. And this is something that we, you know, brought up frequently on the Midas touch podcast as these were happening and they'll probably continue to happen. And we said, why should we trust Donald Trump's word that these were terrorists? And even if these are drug dealers, drug runners, whatever you want to call them, you can't just kill them. Like that's, it's not capital punishment. You don't get to be judge, jury and executioner. You go on the boat, you extract what you need to extract. You held people responsible legally.

1:11:07Jordy Meiselas:And we said, how are we supposed to trust the administration that says they're eating dogs and eating cats and what they did to Abrego Garcia, as Ben said, writing on the knuckles with like MS paint, MS 13, how are we supposed to trust that they're telling the truth here? You got to assume that they're always lying. And New York times reports in this article, it says here in an interview, one woman who identified herself as the wife of one of the dead men said that her husband was a fisherman with four children who left one day for work and never came back. And obviously it's, you know, talking about one of Donald Trump strikes, one of these military strikes on these boats, apparently killed just an innocent fisherman.

1:11:44Jordy Meiselas:And we are still waiting to hear some of the stories, you know, some of the other stories that are coming out. But this is horrible. I mean, this is actually horrible, horrible shit that the United States government is doing. And you see kind of just these evil people kind of connected all over the world. And just they're inside our country trying to take over, you know, all of the media that we consume. They're trying to get the control of the TikTok algorithms. They're getting control of X. You saw Jared Kushner's group is getting control of electronic arts right now. They're buying it with the Saudis.

1:12:15Jordy Meiselas:We're seeing the Saudis pouring a ton of money into the country, trying to buy up properties, buy up things, working with Donald Trump on his Live Golf. We're seeing what they're doing in Gaza, where you see Trump and Netanyahu and Kushner trying to divide up Gaza so that they could do whatever the hell that they want with that land, trying to basically make it like a Dubai and make it their own kind of resort spaces, their kind of goal there. You just see the way they're all trying to consolidate power in the most evil ways. And it's all staring us in the face. And we just need to keep screaming about all of this because it's horrible.

1:12:54Jordy Meiselas:It's horrible to have these people controlling all the information that you see. It's horrible to have them controlling companies, entertainment, social media. But that's exactly what is happening right now. And it's also why it's more important than ever that we have a strong independent press, that we have independent voices speaking out, that all of you continue to speak out. And so now is the time more than ever that you have to use your voice.

1:13:18Brett Meiselas:Absolutely. And I want to add to that. The fisherman's story is really, is really, really traumatic. I mean, when we saw that video, that Al-Qaeda style video that Donald Trump posted from his ex account or whatever, bombing those boats, we all looked at the boats at the time too were like these were like little boats like and then from all the research and from all the sleuthing online people speculated hey these could be fishing boats and by the way even if there were enough narcotics not excusing any trade deals with with drugs uh there wouldn't be enough to one ever warrant an assault like that like you said bro you can't just put forward capital punishment because you you're all of a sudden the judge or executioner literally So this is a man now, I'm talking about the man on the fishing boat, who's dead, four children, gone forever.

1:14:06Brett Meiselas:And likely one of the videos that Donald Trump posted had this man on that boat. And now he never gets to go back to his wife and he never gets to go back to his children. And I'm connecting some dots here. There's just a really gross theme of Donald Trump just doing attacks on fishing boats. Back in the 2019 Trump regime, there was a botched North Korea mission led by Trump and the Navy SEALs at that time, where they gunned up just a whole bunch of fishermen. They were trying to plant recording devices on Kim Jong-un's property for whatever reason to gain some leverage in a negotiation or whatnot.

1:14:46Brett Meiselas:And the mission went really bad. You can look it up. I'm not making this up. Google 2019 failed North Korean mission. And you'll read all about it. It's really horrific. And unfortunately, the SEALs launched into an attack on what was apparently a fishing boat that had nothing to do. It wasn't the army. It wasn't anything. It was just fishermen. And so fast forward to 2025, you see this story. And once again, Trump is just assaulting fishermen and claiming victory. It's really, it's bizarre and it's really disgusting stuff. I want to leave everybody with this.

1:15:18Ben Meiselas:I think there's a lot of information coming your way about shutdown, but let's just go back to the basics. Donald Trump, who loves the press being there at all of the meetings with world leaders in the Oval Office, right? He loves bringing the sports teams into the Oval Office. Ask yourself a basic question. Why did Donald Trump not allow the press to be there in the White House to record the meeting with the Democratic leaders when the Democratic leaders wanted the press there. Ask yourself that question. Ask yourself another question. Why, if Donald Trump claims he brought in$17 trillion, are we even facing a crisis at all about the government shutdown?

1:15:58Ben Meiselas:Because if he brought in $17 trillion, there's just so much money to go around that there's no even need to have these types of funding discussions. I think you know the answer because there was a$2 trillion deficit in the past fiscal year, and there's a major deficit each and every month. And then finally, ask yourself this question. Why did MAGA Mike Johnson and the Republicans cancel work on Monday and Tuesday, the two critical days before the shutdown? I think if you ask yourself those questions, I think you come to a logical conclusion. Donald Trump wants a shutdown. Then you can ask yourself, why does he want a shutdown?

1:16:37Ben Meiselas:And I think he wants a shutdown because he wants to blame Democrats for the mess that he created. He wants to utilize a shutdown to behave even more as an authoritarian. He wants to get rid of Bureau and Labor Statistics data reporting, which he can use the shutdown as pretext for. He wants to cover up the release of the Epstein files. Those are among a handful of reasons that I think he wants a shutdown. But I think it's important that we end it where we started. All right, everybody. We were two minutes over the time we told you we were going to do our Patreon. So we're rushing to Patreon right now.

1:17:14Ben Meiselas:Patreon.com slash MidasTouch. Check it out right now. We'd love to see you there. Ask us any questions.

1:17:22Jordy Meiselas:And so when you go to Patreon.com slash MidasTouch, if you're already a member of the Patreon, you're going to see a post there and it's going to have the secret link to get to the Zoom. If you're not, once you sign up, you'll see a post right on the top of our feed that has the link to the secret Zoom. You know, I'll also put it in the description of the YouTube of this video so that you could just click it, go right to that post. We hope to see all of you there. I'm really excited to chat with you. These are some of the most fun things that we get to do is speak one-on-one figuratively with all of you on a Zoom chat.

1:17:50Jordy Meiselas:So we're super excited. We got to get over there. I know we're already a little late. There's probably some people already waiting there. Thank you for a great episode. Remember to add the Midas Touch podcast as well on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Check out our substack MidasPlus.com for daily recaps every single day and so much more. A lot of information this episode. I know it's a lot to digest. And we're going to keep bringing you, though, all the updates as we get them on the shutdown and more. Jordy, why don't you go ahead and take us away? Shout out to the Midas Midday!

1:18:30Jordy Meiselas:We'll sing our song. We will get it right whenever.

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