In short
The episode mixes a Mother’s Day Whole Foods Market promo with allegations about Melania Trump’s “dark past” resurfacing amid Epstein/Ghislaine Maxwell fallout.
Key claims
a federal lawsuit by Michael Wolff against Melania (anti-SLAPP) has gone inactive since Feb 27 after being assigned to a Trump-appointed, pro-Trump judge; Wolff alleges Melania tried to evade service and misrepresented her residence to move the case to Florida. Another claim: a mysterious USB hard drive from Ghislaine Maxwell was sent to DOJ, which told the judge it was duplicative. The host also alleges House Republicans (Mike Johnson, James Comer) are shifting from hearings to “roundtables” to avoid subpoenas.
Notable examples
USB disclosure to the judge; Maxwell emails allegedly calling Melania “sweet pea”; and claims that Paulo Zampoli (Melania’s introducer) will testify.
Guests
none named as interview guests; the episode discusses people including Michael Wolff, Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, Amanda Ungaro, Paolo Zampoli, Jean-Luc Brunel, and Raja Krishnamurti.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMelania Trump's Dark Past
1:24 to 2:26
Discussion on the resurfacing of Melania Trump's past amidst legal issues.
“Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market.”
Michael Wolff's Lawsuit Against Melania
2:26 to 5:29
Details of Michael Wolff's federal lawsuit against Melania Trump and its implications.
“The federal judge has gone silent, very unusual for no activity on the docket since February 27th.”
Connections to Epstein and Zampoli
5:29 to 9:03
Exploration of Melania Trump's connections to Epstein and key figures in her life.
“Zampoli ran a modeling agency where he would bring in young Eastern European girls and women for his modeling agency.”
Amanda Ungaro's Allegations
9:03 to 10:55
Amanda Ungaro's claims and her relationship with Melania's introducer.
“Just to also give you a sense of what Paulo Zampoli's done in the past 24 hours.”
Zampoli's Recent Actions and Statements
11:33 to 14:03
Discussion on Zampoli’s recent public statements and legal challenges.
“Spring clean your kitchen the smart way with Hexclad.”
Melania's Connections to Epstein and Zampoli
14:03 to 15:09
Explore Melania Trump's alleged connections to key figures in the Epstein case.
“from Ghislaine calling Melania sweet pea and them wanting to hang out and Melania saying to Ghislaine, you are great or you look great in the New York Magazine article and Jeffrey Epstein was great.”
Republican Efforts to Pardon Ghislaine Maxwell
15:09 to 17:23
Discuss the Republican attempts to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell and its implications.
“And then we learned that Congress, Republicans in Congress are trying to pardon Ghislaine.”
Melania's Public Image and Recent Taunts
17:23 to 18:38
Analyze how recent events and media portrayals are affecting Melania Trump's public image.
“And so, you know who's taunting Melania though now a lot about all this stuff?”
Impact of the Melania Documentary on Her Popularity
18:38 to 20:06
Examine the effects of Melania Trump's documentary on her public perception and popularity.
“And I think this really gets to her because I think deep down she thinks that she's like this.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcuterie with no synthetic nitrates. Then go seafood. There's an abundance on sale at Whole Foods Market, where it's all sustainable while caught or responsibly farmed. At the bakery, grab seasonal treats like their strawberry pretzel cream pie, and you can't go wrong with a ready-to-heat quiche Lorraine, deviled eggs, and fresh-cut fruits to go. Celebrate mom with Whole Foods Market. Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcuterie with no synthetic nitrates.
0:38Then go seafood. There's an abundance on sale at Whole Foods Market, where it's all sustainable while caught or responsibly farmed. At the bakery, grab seasonal treats like their strawberry pretzel cream pie, and you can't go wrong with the ready-to-heat quiche Lorraine, deviled eggs, and fresh-cut fruits to go. Celebrate mom with Whole Foods Market. Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcuterie with no synthetic nitrates. Then go seafood. There's an abundance on sale at Whole Foods Market, where it's all sustainable while caught or responsibly farmed.
1:14At the bakery, grab seasonal treats like their strawberry pretzel cream pie, and you can't go wrong with the ready-to-heat quiche Lorraine, deviled eggs, and fresh-cut fruits to go. Celebrate mom with Whole Foods Market. Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcuterie with no synthetic nitrates. Then go see food. There's an abundance on sale at Whole Foods Market, where it's all sustainable while caught or responsibly farmed. At the bakery, grab seasonal treats like their strawberry pretzel cream pie, and you can't go wrong with the ready-to-heat quiche Lorraine, deviled eggs, and fresh-cut fruits to go.
1:52Celebrate mom with Whole Foods Market. Make Mother's Day even more special at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcuterie with no synthetic nitrates. Then go see food. There's an abundance on sale at Whole Foods Market, where it's all sustainable while caught or responsibly farmed. At the bakery, grab seasonal treats like their strawberry pretzel cream pie, and you can't go wrong with the ready-to-heat quiche Lorraine, deviled eggs, and fresh-cut fruits to go. Celebrate mom with Whole Foods Market. it.
2:24Ben Meiselas:As Melania Trump's dark past is surfacing, pay attention to what is happening. In a federal lawsuit involving Michael Wolff and Melania Trump, where Wolff sued Melania Trump, alleging that her threats against him constitute a violation of New York's anti-SLAPP statute, the case got assigned to a Trump-appointed judge, a very pro-Trump judge, and there hasn't been any activity on the docket since February when Michael Wolff called out Melania Trump for trying to allegedly evade service and where Michael Wolff alleges that Melania Trump is pretending to be from Florida so she can get the federal case transferred to a Florida federal court when he put forth a lot of evidence to suggest that she lives in New York.
3:18Ben Meiselas:The federal judge has gone silent, very unusual for no activity on the docket since February 27th. What else is happening as Melania's dark past is surfacing? Ghislaine Maxwell sent a mysterious USB hard drive to the Justice Department days after Melania Trump sought to distance herself from the pair's heinous sex crimes. And to be clear, the pair is Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Melania Trump said that she has nothing to do with them and all of the emails and the text messages and the photos are fake and fabrications, right? Melania held that press conference. Well, now a mysterious USB hard drive was sent by Ghislaine Maxwell to the Department of Justice.
4:10Ben Meiselas:And the Department of Justice disclosed it to the federal judge, but said, judge, there's nothing to see here. It's likely just duplicative of other things that have been filed in this case. So don't even worry about it. We're not even really going to pay attention to it. What else is happening as Melania Trump's dark past is surfacing? Well, we've learned that MAGA Mike Johnson and James Comber and other MAGA Republicans in the House of Representatives at Donald Trump's direction. They are trying to shut down all further hearings about anything to do with Epstein, anything to do with Ghislaine and try to shut down other house hearings as well.
4:52Ben Meiselas:What they're trying to do now until the midterms is hold round tables instead of hearings so that subpoena powers can't be used under oath depositions can't be taken. and there can be just roundtables, which is fascinating because whose deposition is likely going to happen soon? Remember, it's the witness who Melania Trump fears the most, Amanda Ungaro. About three weeks ago, you probably didn't even know the name Amanda Ungaro, but she was in a relationship with Paolo Zampoli, the guy who introduced Melania to Donald Trump, allegedly, at the Kit Kat Club in the late 1990s. Zampoli ran a modeling agency where he would bring in young Eastern European girls and women for his modeling agency.
5:47Ben Meiselas:And he would throw parties at the Kit Kat Club with the girls and the ladies who were the models from Europe. And he would introduce them, the models, to wealthy Manhattan businessmen. He would play matchmaker between wealthy businessmen and the models. He introduced Melania to Donald Trump at one such party, and then he helped expedite Melania Trump's visa. He got her an Epstein visa, which is for like being a genius and being in the top of your field, which is odd because she, in my opinion, wasn't any of those things. But his girlfriend was Amanda Ngaro. She met him, she says when she was only 15 years old, she was brought here by one of Epstein's traffickers, Jean-Luc Brunel.
6:36Ben Meiselas:Brunel died allegedly by suicide in a French prison under similar curious and unusual circumstances as Epstein, but that's how she was trafficked here or brought here by Jean-Luc Brunel, Epstein's guy. And then she later met Paulo Zampoli. Zampoli was, he's in the Epstein files and he brags about being, he's like, you're cool if you're in the Epstein files or something, words to that effect. Only the only smart people are like famous people are in the Epstein file, something very strange. And he was thinking about starting a mate, a modeling agency with Epstein. But she was with this Paolo Zampoli guy for like two decades.
7:18Ben Meiselas:And Zampoli, because he introduced Melania to Donald, when Trump won the first term, he was invited to all the White House events. And now he's basically been made a United States ambassador. And so she had a fallout with him recently over a child custody issue over their son. It was reported that he helped get her, get Angaro deported to Brazil. He denies that he contacted ICE to expedite the process. The New York Times wrote a story that he called ICE. He disputes that the call led to any expediting of her being deported, but she's in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil now. And she's like, you took my son.
8:00Ben Meiselas:I have nothing to lose. So I'm going to expose everything. I'm going to expose you. I'm going to expose Melania. I'm going to bring everybody down. Words to that effect, of course. Pablo Zampoli's been freaking out. He's been making posts like this. Notice to all media outlets, my son and I are victims of an extortion attempt by a John Doe family. This was reported on April 6th to the FBI and Miami-Dade police. We have an ongoing investigation. All disinformation and defamatory statements about me and my son will be, he says he's going to hold people accountable. Then he does a second notice three days ago.
8:37Ben Meiselas:Second notice to all media outlets, we confirm that legal actions are currently underway across multiple jurisdictions, including the United States, Italy, and Brazil. Our legal team is actively identifying and pursuing all individuals, entities, and accounts involved in the dissemination of false, misleading, and defamatory content. Any media outlet or individual that publishes, supports, or amplifies such content will be included in a class action lawsuit and held accountable to the fullest extent of law. Just to also give you a sense of what Paulo Zampoli's done in the past 24 hours. He's been appointed by Donald Trump to ban the Iranian football team, or if you're in the U S soccer team from playing in the world cup.
9:18Ben Meiselas:Now, Iran qualified for the world cup. Italy did not qualify for the world cup. And now Donald Trump wants to ban the Iranian soccer team as punishment for Trump's unlawful invasion of Iran. So a top envoy Paulo Zampoli is now trying to work with Gianni Infantino, the head of FIFA, the really corrupt guy who's always with Donald Trump and like Gabe Trump, the FIFA gold cup in order to replace Iran with Italy and to bring Italy in the world cup. And Infantino is Swiss and Italian, and he wants to bring the Italian team in. That's what he's doing right now. There's a lot going on, of course. All right, listen up.
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11:36Ben Meiselas:Angaro, you'll recall last week posted, Pam Bondi, are you already aware of the situation? Do you fully understand the extent of the information I possess regarding you and the individuals associated with you? I strongly advise you to consider the seriousness of these matters. Any actions taken against me or attempts to escalate the situation could have significant legal consequences. I expect to be handled with the appropriate level of responsibility and professionalism moving forward. And then she gave an interview with Courier, which was translated from Portuguese into English, where she said, the first time I had contact with Zampoli was when I was 15 years old.
12:16Ben Meiselas:I can state that starting from the first meeting, Zampoli began harassing me in an attempt to pursue an intimate relationship. That's her allegations, not Zampoli. That's what she says. When and under what circumstance did you meet Melania? I was introduced to Melania by Paulo Zampoli at the time. We were already dating, and that is when I was introduced to her. Would you testify before the House Oversight Committee? Absolutely. Absolutely. Did Melania personally threaten you? If so, in what way and when Melania felt threatened and while she did not threaten me directly, she knows that I witnessed highly compromising interactions over the course of 20 years.
12:58Ben Meiselas:She does not know the full extent of what I know for I lived with Paulo for 20 years. She does not know the full extent of what I know and she did not threaten me directly, but she knows I witnessed highly compromising interactions over the past 20 years. So now you piece this together. The Trump-loving federal judge in New York has basically frozen the docket. You have Congress freezing the hearings and saying informal roundtables, no more subpoenas. You have a mysterious hard drive being sent by Ghislaine Maxwell. At the same time, Melania said she has no contact with Ghislaine and they never really knew each other.
13:45Ben Meiselas:Sure, they were in the same circles, but any of the photos are fake. Everything's fake, according to Melania. And then you have the fact that Republicans in the House of Representatives, though, at At the same time, Ghislaine Maxwell, by the way, we know Ghislaine Maxwell, the email from Ghislaine calling Melania sweet pea and them wanting to hang out and Melania saying to Ghislaine, you are great or you look great in the New York Magazine article and Jeffrey Epstein was great. They seem to know each other, at least at some level of familiarity, in my opinion, based on those emails. Ghislaine knows a lot.
14:24Ben Meiselas:Angaro knows a lot. Zampoli knows a lot. And remember, Zampoli said that he would testify before a congressional hearing. I think he was pressured, in my opinion, to do that by Melania because there were rumors that Epstein introduced Melania to Trump. And Melania said that never happened. Those rumors are false and defamatory. It was Zampoli who made the introduction. Well, Zampoli and Epstein wanted to buy modeling agencies together. They're in Zampoli. Okay. Zampoli introduced you. I'm not really sure that that really makes that much of a difference, but she's like, it's Zampoli. And Zampoli is like, I'm happy to testify.
15:03Ben Meiselas:But then now Congress is like, no more testimony from anybody at all. We're canceling hearings. We're doing round tables. And then we learned that Congress, Republicans in Congress are trying to pardon Ghislaine. James Comer told Politico that there are lots of Republicans who would like to see her pardoned because they think that'll help her testify truthfully, even though she's a known liar, a perjurer, an age sex trafficker. But we should pardon her. And he said there are Republicans working with Donald Trump to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. So Democratic Congress member Raja Krishnamurti sent this letter to Todd Blanche after Ghislaine's lawyer has been bragging that he believes Ghislaine's going to get a pardon.
15:55Ben Meiselas:Are you piecing all of these things together, starting with Melania's dark past surfacing? Take all of this information and assess it collectively. Here's the letter from Raja Krishnamurti, Democratic Congress member. He goes, I'm writing to express my disgust at the DOJ reported willingness to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. Last week, David Oscar Marcus, Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney said, there's a good chance and for good reason that Maxwell would get a pardon. It's unacceptable that the DOJ would be engaging at all with such an outrageous request. Then he talks about how Ghislaine was moved from a maximum security facility in Tallahassee to club Fed in Camp Ryan, Texas.
16:42Ben Meiselas:And then he goes on to talk about how the Epstein files have been covered up by the Trump regime. Then it goes on to say the following, following the dismissal of Attorney General Bondi in connection with the department's handling of the Epstein files, you're the acting attorney general. You must immediately reopen and fully resource the department's investigation into the sex trafficking operation. You must also publicly and repeatedly refused to engage with Ghislaine Maxwell on any presidential pardons that would excuse her from serving out her full sentence. Survivors deserve answers, and those responsible must be held accountable.
17:20Ben Meiselas:This is not a question of politics. It is a matter of justice. And so, you know who's taunting Melania though now a lot about all this stuff? The Iranians. The Iranians are taunting Melania a lot. They did a new Lego video roasting Melania yesterday. Did you see this one? Play this clip. Good afternoon, good afternoon. She reads from a page. The rumors have been building up. It is time to turn the page. She says the lies must end today. She wants the record straight. She cleared her schedule just for this. She could not wait. The stories on the internet have gotten out of hand. Fake pictures, fake connections, none of them were planned.
17:56She says she never knew this man the way the tabloids say. She is here at the podium to clear it all away.
18:01Ben Meiselas:And then they did one on her called Epstein Queen, which I shared with you about two weeks ago. Play this clip. Epstein Queen, Epstein Queen, kissing on the lips, living that scene. She says, never friends with a straight face. Lie, but the fouls got trumped by the balls. Now, finally, with all of this happening, the American people hate Melania. She's the most hated first lady by far. Usually first ladies aren't even hated. Like they usually, even if their husbands are hated as presidents, first ladies, they're not like hated. Melania is hated. And I think this really gets to her because I think deep down she thinks that she's like this.
18:45Ben Meiselas:What is she? Visionary. I'm a vision. I'm a vision. If you're a visionary like me, I won't do the accent. anyway did i did i put i played the epstein queen video right about play play the polling on melania let's play it and you also i'm saying you have new numbers or another look at the impact or the appeal that she uh her appeal after her documentary yeah okay so you asked in question number one you said why what is one of the reasons why and i think one of the reasons why was this documentary i think a lot of people saw it as political even if she didn't want it to be and you could just see it here.
19:19This is real world data. This is not just the polling data that shows the lack of appeal, historic lack of appeal that she has for a first lady. Look at this. Some of Melania's budget sheet. Look at this. The budget, rights and marketing,$75 million. That was what is estimated to have been spent by Amazon. Compare that to the box office, both domestic and international combined. We're talking about$17 million. That makes this a bomb. There was a lot of talk when the film came out. Hey, you know, it had a good opening weekend, but then basically it stopped making money. So unless Amazon is able to make this up through streaming, this is going to be a historic bomb.
19:52Amazon spent a ton of money on it. And look at that. Simply put, the money was not made back. That coalesces, that combines with the polling data to say that Melania Trump is historically unpopular for a first lady. So folks, I'm
20:08Ben Meiselas:sharing with you my opinion as protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, opinion speech on a newsworthy matter, right? That's what this video is. You're entitled to your opinions. I'm entitled to my opinions. We can connect these things and form opinions, right? Hit subscribe. Let me know what you think. Let's get to 7 million. We appreciate you.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports Melania’s dark past surfacing and Meiselas shares his opinion of the connections regarding Trump and the GOP potentially pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell and the GOP trying to shut down congressional hearings, depositions, and subpoenas.
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