Rep. Boyle Exposes Trump’s Economic Disaster

14 Dec 2025 · 22 min

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Episode Title

Rep. Boyle Exposes Trump’s Economic Disaster

Hosts

  • Ben Meiselas (Top lawyer, business partner of Colin Kaepernick)
  • Brett Meiselas (Two-time Emmy award-winning video editor)
  • Jordy Meiselas (Former award-winning advertising executive)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben Meiselas discusses the current economic landscape under former President Donald Trump, particularly focusing on the implications of Trump's criticisms towards Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell. The episode features an interview with Brendan Boyle, Ranking Member of the House Budget Committee, who provides insight into economic realities and the challenges facing the U.S. economy.

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Key Discussions

  1. Trump's Attack on Jerome Powell
  2. Context: Trump has criticized Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, attempting to intimidate him.
  3. Powell's Response: Powell remains unfazed and articulates the economic truths, highlighting issues like:
  4. Housing market weakness due to low supply.
  5. Rising inflation and increasing job losses, indicating a state of stagflation (a combination of stagnant economic growth and inflation).
  1. Economic Insights Shared by Jerome Powell
  2. Housing Market Issues:
  3. Powell notes a significant lack of housing supply, which is not mitigated by lowering interest rates.
  4. The average age of a first-time homebuyer has risen to 40, the highest on record.
  • Inflation & Employment Trends:
  • Powell discusses rising inflation, noting PCE prices rose by 2.8% in the past year.
  • The labor market shows signs of cooling, with job losses averaging 20,000 monthly from April to September.
  1. Brendan Boyle's Perspective
  2. Economic Reality:
  3. Boyle agrees with Powell, emphasizing that the current economy is experiencing stagflation, which hasn't been seen since the late 1970s.
  4. Polling data shows Trump's approval rating on the economy has plummeted to 31%, highlighting public dissatisfaction.
  • Critique of Trump’s Economic Policies:
  • Boyle criticizes Trump for benefiting only the billionaire class while neglecting working families.
  • He points out that Trump's economic boasting often conflicts with actual lived experiences of Americans.
  1. Misleading Economic Claims by Trump
  2. Debunking Trump's Numbers:
  3. Trump often claims economic successes that do not align with factual data. Boyle points out that Trump exaggerates figures to mislead the public.
  4. The conversation illustrates Trump's tendency to benefit personally while promoting policies that adversely affect everyday Americans.
  1. Broader Economic Implications
  2. Stock Market vs. Real Economy:
  3. The stock market may show signs of growth, but this is not reflective of the broader economy as most Americans are not invested in it.
  4. AI and tech advancements have driven stock market gains, overshadowing the struggles faced by the average citizen.
  1. Concluding Remarks
  2. The episode highlights the disconnect between Trump's rhetoric and the economic reality faced by many Americans.
  3. Boyle underscores that no amount of spin can change the lived experiences of those suffering under current economic conditions.

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Key Takeaways

  • Stagflation: The episode identifies the current economic state as stagflation, creating a challenging landscape for policymakers.
  • Public Sentiment: Trump's declining approval ratings signal a growing awareness among voters of the economic struggles they face.
  • Accountability: The need for accountability in political discourse is emphasized, particularly in light of misleading claims made by Trump and his administration.
  • Importance of Truth: Powell's straightforward communication contrasts sharply with the misinformation and exaggeration often associated with Trump's economic narrative.

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0:00Donald Trump just got a rude awakening. his threats and intimidation tactics are not working against the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell. In a very methodical, calm, careful, and honest matter, Chairman Powell explained what's really happening with our economy. He discussed what's happening in the housing market and how the real issue is that there's a lack of supply of housing and the dropping of the interest rates is not going to create additional supply. Powell talks about rising inflation and job losses continuing to increase as well. That's a form of something called stagflation.

0:46He continues to talk about the job losses and the impact they're having on our economy. Let me show you just it's refreshing, I think, to hear the truth, whether you like it or not. These are the facts. And we all know it if we have these lived experiences. And Donald Trump hates the truth. So here is Chairman Powell talking about housing. Here play this clip. I think, you know, the top third accounts for way more than a third of the consumption, for example. So it's a good question how sustainable that is. You know, the best we can do is to is to have a price stability and a strong labor market.

1:25What we saw, for example, at the end of the very, very long expansion that ended with the outbreak of the pandemic, we saw that it was 10 years and eight months or something like that, the longest one in recorded history. In the last two years, the largest part of the wage gains were going to people in the bottom quartile, the bottom part of the low and moderate income. So, you know, having a strong labor market for a long period of time is really, really good from a social standpoint. It's helping people at the lower income levels. And that's what we all want to get back to. But we've got to have price stability and we've got to have, you know, full employment, maximum employment.

2:10And just quickly, you mentioned the housing market remains kind of weak. With these rate cuts that we've seen, is there a chance we're going to see more affordability in the housing market so more people can maybe enjoy that part of wealth creation? The average age or median age of a first-time home buyer is now 40 years old. That's the highest on record. Yeah, so the housing market faces some really significant challenges. And I don't know that a 25 basis point decline in the federal funds rate is going to make much of a difference for people. Housing supply is low. So many people have very, very low rate mortgages from the pandemic period, and they kept refinancing and caught the really low.

2:54So it's expensive of them to move. And, you know, we're a ways away from that changing. Also, we haven't built enough housing in the country for a long time. And so a lot of estimates suggest that we just need more housing of different kinds. So housing is going to be a problem. And, you know, really the tools to address it are we can we can raise and lower interest rates, but we don't really have the tools to address, you know, a secular housing shortage, a structural housing shortage. And here's what Chairman Powell talks about in terms of inflation tilted to the upside and employment on the downside.

3:31Play this clip. In the near term, risks to inflation are tilted to the upside and risks to employment to the downside. A challenging situation. There is no risk-free path for policy as we navigate this tension between our employment and inflation goals. And this while inflation is surging. Here, play this next clip. Total PCE prices rose 2.8 % over the 12 months ending in September. And excluding the volatile food and energy categories, core PCE prices also rose 2.8%. These readings are higher than earlier in the year as inflation for goods has picked up, reflecting the effects of tariffs. Now, he also talks about how the economy has lost an average of 20 ,000 jobs each month from April to September.

4:21Play this clip. Why did we move today? You know, I would say point to a couple of things. First of all, gradual cooling in the labor market has continued. Unemployment is now up three tenths from June through September. payroll jobs averaging 40 ,000 per month since April. We think there's an overstatement in these numbers by about 60 ,000, so that would be negative 20 ,000 per month. Now we know that Caroline Levitt wants to deny this fact. She and the Trump regime come up with fake numbers. Here's what Caroline Levitt said at the press conference this past week, let's play it. First, very quickly clarifying Caitlin's question.

4:59You acknowledged that CPI in January when you took office was 3%, and in September, the last month for which we had data, it was also 3%, so inflation. No, it's 2.5%. Not in September, it was 3%. It's 2.5%, the average CPI right now. I have it in front of me. In President Trump's first eight months in office, inflation as measured by the overall consumer price index has slowed to a 2.5 average pace. This is down from the 2.9 % inherited in January. January is one month. And here's what Donald Trump said during an Oval Office press conference about the economy. Play this clip. You know, we had the greatest economy in history in my first term.

5:40I think we're blowing it away right now. I think we're blowing it away. And again, prices were the highest they ever were. Inflation was the highest in 48 years, or I think ever. They say 48 years. The president's 48 years. I'll accept that. but I think it was the highest inflation we've ever had. And as you know, Donald Trump gives himself an A++++ on the economy. This, while Trump's approval on the economy from Americans is just 31%. His overall approval rating in that same AP poll is 36%. The Americans are not buying what the Trump regime is selling. The American people realize that the Trump regime is selling fraud, The same way Donald Trump has been a fraud, a criminal, a felon, an abuser, a predator his entire life.

6:30I want to bring in the ranking member of the Democratic Party on the Budget Committee. Let's bring him in right now. Congressmember Brendan Boyle. Good to see you, Congressmember Boyle. You know, I showed those clips right there of Chairman Powell. I thought it was at least refreshing to hear the truth. Congressman Boyle, what do you think about that? You sit on the budget committee. Well, first, before I answer that, if I might, I have to say I have the same reaction that you did hearing Jay Powell's comments. It's just so nice to finally hear someone from this federal government speaking openly and honestly and just telling you when two plus two equals four, that it equals four and not 400 ,000.

7:16because, of course, from Donald Trump all the way down when we're talking about executive branch officials, they just spew lies so effortlessly and so routinely, it's almost like you have to catch them telling the truth. Now, in terms of the economy, what Jay Powell said is correct, not just in those clips, but in his full comments, that we have an environment in which we are suffering job losses as well as high inflation. That is the textbook definition of stagflation, something we haven't seen since the Jimmy Carter era of the late 1970s. This is a real and growing problem for our economy. We have not seen stagflation in my, actually, memory, because while I was born in 1977, I don't exactly remember 78 and 79 and 80.

8:13I remember my parents talking about very high interest rates and how horrible inflation was in the economy. So that explains why a new poll out just showed that Donald Trump's approval rating on the economy is his lowest ever at 31%. He never was that low in the four years he was president previously, as well as the past year he's been president as well. People are suffering. And no matter how much Donald Trump and his minions want to lie about it, he's not going to be able to convince them of something that is contrary to their lived experience. You know, as what we see happen with Ponzi schemers, they go deeper and deeper into their fraud, causing more harm.

9:01Feels like we're seeing that in the economy now. So like, what's his move. What he does is, I think, and I want to get your feedback, the only indicator that you could say is doing well is the stock market, which has gone up, although most Americans aren't invested in the market. What's propping up the stock market? Mostly AI, while the rest of the market's not doing great AI and tech. So now he sees that and goes, okay, what do I do there? let me unleash or allow NVIDIA to give its H200 chips to China because we've seen NVIDIA driving a lot of market growth right now so that they now open it up to China.

9:43China now gets our most highly classified super chips for basically nothing. China's response is, well, we appreciate that, but we've got Huawei here. So we'll take some of your chips. We'll take it. We'll then give it to our own kind of people. So we've now, I guess, Trump's ploy, and there's probably a self-interest thing too, and how he and his crypto business are going to benefit from this. But I think he wants to pump this market for his billionaire friends and say, look, the market's doing well at the expense now of selling off our national security. And of course, there's also the self-interested component.

10:17But what do you make of that? Well, first, there are a number of companies over the course of this past year, that the federal government has now taken a stake of that company. Can you imagine the reaction from Republicans or anyone on the right if any previous Democratic president decided that the federal government would take some ownership of that private company? I mean, they were screaming that Barack Obama was a socialist and a communist just because he adopted what had been the Republican right-of-center idea to allow people to buy among different health insurance plans that were all from private sector plans.

10:58So just imagine how they would react about the kind of textbook socialism that Donald Trump is engaged in. He's not a true capitalist. He's a crony capitalist. As long as he does well, as long as he gets his payoffs, as long as his buddies get their payoffs, then he's perfectly fine with it. In terms of who he's listening to, he only cares about the billionaire class. the folks that he is hanging out with at Bedminster and at Mar-a-Lago. And that's why the centerpiece of his economic agenda this year, the big bullshit bill, as I call it, the big beautiful bill, as he used to call it, back before he just stopped talking about it altogether because it's so unpopular.

11:43Why is it so unpopular? Because it was the biggest tax breaks for billionaires in American history paid for by the biggest cuts to health care in American history. Why, again, did he do this? Because he thought it would make him popular? No, because it's the billionaire class that benefits. Show your post right here. I'll show it to you from a week ago where you said, Trump will claim that he's brought in$17 trillion. Sometime it's even$18 trillion as the lead Democrat on the House Budget Committee. I haven't seen a dime come in, especially not for working families. It's all a con. The only people benefiting under Trump are billionaires.

12:28And I just say, he's always talking about, I brought in 17 trillion and just 22 trillions come in. And so I'm going to make you rich. Just you wait. It's right around the corner. Just you wait. And you're like, I'm on the Budget Committee. This money's not coming And we would know on the budget committee for purposes of planning a budget if this money was available. So either he's taking it for himself or he's lying. Both are plausible with Donald Trump, but it ain't coming into the Treasury, right? You know, I have to give Donald Trump credit. He's actually the greatest con man in American history when you think about it.

13:06He was able to con people into thinking he was a successful businessman. He wasn't. He was someone who inherited great wealth and literally had he just invested all of that wealth in an index fund or even T-bills, he would have more money than he has right now. So his whole persona was a con. It was all built around that dopey TV show for so many years. And then he was able to run around the country last year and said, you vote for me, I will lower prices on day one. Bullshit. Here he is now. has been president for almost a year prices are higher today than they were a year ago and as j powell just said they're higher mostly due to the trump tariffs finally on the on the 16 17 18 trillion dollar lie by the way he cites different numbers each time he repeats the lie i guess his philosophy is if you make the lie big enough and so outlandish some people will believe it i just want to put these numbers into context.

14:08The entire federal budget for this year is just over$6 trillion. So the idea that in a few months or nine or 10 months, his tariffs have collected $17,$18 trillion is such a crazy, crazy lie. It's like, what if I told you with a straight face, you know, my height, I'm 11 foot six. That would be the same scale as the lie that Donald Trump is trying to get away with. Well, he's basically giving a version of I'm 11 foot six. He's saying I'm perfectly healthy. Never have my health results been better. I win every golf tournament. He's doing he's doing all of the above. Three, 200 pounds could play in the NFL tomorrow.

14:57That's that's that's Donald Trump. You know, the last thing I want to hit before we go is Donald Trump this past week was in the Commonwealth. He was in a small banquet hall at a casino, which he pretended was a large rally where he called African nations shithole countries, which he denied during his first administration. And now he's out there saying it. He told people that the economy is doing great and everything's more affordable and amazing. Your state, he came to the Commonwealth. So I just wanted to get your take on what you saw. He visited my state more than any other last year in the election because, of course, Pennsylvania is the biggest battleground state in the nation.

15:34So he returned to the scene of his original crime, his original con, which is telling people he was going to lower prices on day one. It was quite ironic, though, that he decided to hold this in a casino, since I believe he is the only man in the history of casinos ever to own the casino and actually lose money. Yeah, multiple times. I think there were several bank claim bankruptcy look i live in i live in philadelphia atlantic city is exactly one hour away i remember i was you know just a kid nine ten years old he would come on the local news doing his whole shtick the biggest the greatest the most gold ever yada yada and then so many of those casinos went belly up uh and by the way do you know how bad that is there used to to be no competition from the surrounding states.

16:26Now, Pennsylvania is evidenced by the casino he was at. Pennsylvania has gaming. Maryland has it. A lot of other surrounding states. None of that existed when he owned those casinos in Atlantic City in the 1980s. That's how bad he is at business. And he created competition against himself. So the way we view some of his outlandish economic policies as being the dumbest things imaginable, it's the same stuff he did, as you said, when he went to Atlantic City, he built three casinos right next to each other, over leveraged the crap out of it, had them all compete with each other. Then he couldn't pay back the lenders.

17:04And everybody was saying, why are you building three casinos? They're all going to cannibalize each other. And then he's like, no, no, no, you got to do three. You got to do three, everybody. And then, you know, history repeats itself. There were so many warning signs here, but we're seeing what, if you ever wanted to have a hypothetical, what would happen if you have like a felon who bankrupted all these businesses in the Oval Office? What would that look like? And like, like, like, like this. Anyway, thank you, Congressman. We appreciate you. We appreciate you fighting for this country. Thank you so much.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s attack on the Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell backfiring his face as Powell is not intimidated and exposes Trump’s lies and Meiselas interviews Ranking Member of the House Budget Committee Brendan Boyle.

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