Rep. Dan Goldman on Trump Cover Up of Epstein Files

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2:36Ben Meiselas:No, Donald, your dark past secrets are coming out. This as a new bombshell. Wall Street Journal report has found that the DOJ did indeed tell Donald Trump back in May that his name is among the many names in the Epstein files. They briefed him on that. And then thereafter, Donald Trump's plan, you all saw it, is to basically say, this is all one big gigantic hoax, and it's created by Obama and Clinton and Comey and Comer, or he's just making up every name. But one of the things I want to focus on, too, is the distractions that the Trump regime is trying to do and the cover-up efforts, right? We all knew the grand jury testimony only represented about like 1 % of what's out there.

3:27Ben Meiselas:And there's 300 gigabytes of documents that the FBI and DOJ have. They could just redact the victims and release it. But we knew under federal rule of criminal procedure 6E that no federal judge was going to release grand jury testimony. In fact, I'm going to show you right now how Donald Trump's DOJ sabotaged their own request for the grand jury testimony. And the judge acknowledged it in her order. So as you go through the document, it says the government concedes as much in its petition. In other words, that the DOJ is not entitled to get these documents under Rule 6E. It goes on to say it acknowledges that, quote, the Department of Justice recognizes that this court is bound by pitch.

4:12Ben Meiselas:That's an 11th Circuit Court of Appeals case, and that it, quote, raises this argument due to the significance of the matter and to preserve it for any potential appeal. In its supplemental briefing, the government, meaning Trump's DOJ, further recognizes that, quote, the 11th Circuit precedent holds that no exception outside those expressly enumerated under Rule 6, quote, authorizes a court to publicly disclose grand jury materials. In other words, the Department of Justice is telling the judge that under the federal rules of criminal procedure, the DOJ is not entitled to have the grand jury testimony.

4:51Ben Meiselas:In other words, the DOJ is providing a roadmap for it to lose the motion to get the grand jury testimony. It's why we've been saying this grand jury testimony thing. It's all a red herring. It's all a fake because it's never something that's given. And it's not the files that we're looking for here. The files that we're looking for are the 300 gigabytes that the FBI and DOJ have in their possession. Redact the names of the minors and just release the files, not the grand jury testimony. It's the files. It's the witness interviews. It's the intercepts, right? So at the same time, the DOJ was basically arguing against itself in federal court.

5:33Ben Meiselas:you have the DOJ saying that it was going to be holding these meetings with Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer. And now Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer is basically saying, hey, if you want Ghislaine Maxwell to testify in Congress, we're going to have to see how things go before with the meetings with the Department of Justice, with Pam Bondi. So from this explosive Wall Street Journal article, it says one of Maxwell's lawyers, David Oscar Marcus, confirmed the discussions and said, We are grateful to President Trump for his commitment to uncovering the truth in this case. Maxwell has been seeking to have her conviction overturned, contending she didn't receive a fair trial.

6:12Ben Meiselas:As it relates to the subpoena now from the House Oversight Committee, the lawyer for Ghislaine Maxwell, Oscar Marcus, told CNN, As for the congressional subpoena, Ms. Maxwell is taking this one step at a time. She looks forward to her meeting with the Department of Justice, and that discussion will help inform how she proceeds. In other words, you maybe give her a pardon or maybe give her a commutation or offer her a deal. Yeah, we'll see how that deposition goes. You know, she may remember a lot. She may remember a little. I don't really know. That's in my opinion what that means. You tell me what it means in your opinion.

6:50Ben Meiselas:But now let's go and bring on Democratic Congress member Dan Goldman. Now, Congressman, you were here on the Midas Touch Network when back in May, right when this meeting was taking place between the DOJ and Trump informing him that he was on the list. You called it out back in May that a cover up was taking place. What do you make of all of it? Well, I guess I'm not surprised that I turned out to be correct. It seemed pretty obvious that when there was such a mad dash and a rush and a hullabaloo about releasing the Epstein files and releasing insufficient amount of them back in February when Pam Bondi promised that she was going to do it.

7:34And then all of a sudden it went dark for three months. You had to wonder why is there no discussion of it anymore? And so now we have confirmation of what we long suspected, which is that Donald Trump is included in the Epstein files. And so what really is interesting is what you pointed out is all of his efforts to cover up his name in the Epstein files. And first for him to essentially direct Pam Bondi not to release anything. then for him to beg his supporters in the MAGA right to move on from it. Nothing to see here. Then to claim that it was made up. My favorite, you mentioned a couple of the presidents.

8:17My favorite was when he accused the Biden administration of fabricating all of this evidence, even though Jeffrey Epstein was indicted in 2019 and then committed suicide in 2019 before Biden was ever president. Then you will go to the grand jury testimony, which they obviously tried to submarine themselves so they could claim they tried, but the court denied them. Now we have the Ghislaine Maxwell pardon meeting where, you know, she gets to say what the conditions are in order for him to give her a pardon. It's all a massive, massive cover up. And for an administration that prides itself on, quote, transparency, it's pretty remarkable.

9:07Ben Meiselas:Their usual tricks aren't working, and it seems more desperate than ever. So you have the smoke screen and the distraction and saying, oh, but we're going to release grand jury testimony. We all know that that was not going to actually be a possibility. Oh, we're going to get a statement from Ghislaine Maxwell. No one's ever gotten her statement before, right? And then they go to Obama, like they're just pulling out all of it. The big scandal here, first they tried Autopen. We need to focus on Autopen. What do you mean? Autopen? What does that even mean? Okay, okay, we got a new one for you. Obama, and then I'll say Russia, Russia, Russia.

9:46Ben Meiselas:How about that? And it ain't working. And they look pathetic. Yeah, it looks it really does look desperate. I think true desperation here. And it's not working. Now, one thing I just want to sort of clarify for you, Ben, based on my experience, 10 years in the Southern District of New York, where I worked alongside Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche in that office for many, many years. For him to say that the Department of Justice had never reached out to Ghislaine Maxwell to inquire about whether she wanted to cooperate is a bunch of BS. Yes, it is a matter, of course, that in cases especially like this one, if she wanted to cooperate, it would have been much more useful for her to do it at the very beginning, right after she was indicted, when she could get a reduction in a sentence and she could be the most helpful to the government for her to do it then.

10:48Most likely she decided not to do it because it's not only admitting to your own conduct related to the charges. It's admitting to all of your bad deeds and crimes and misconduct. And similar to Michael Cohen, I think, who didn't want to do that. She didn't want to do that. But this notion that, oh, nobody ever tried this. So we're going to try it when the deputy attorney general is doing an end run around the office that charged this case and tried her and convicted her is is really dirty. And it's a real politicization of the Department of Justice further than what has already been done.

11:29Ben Meiselas:And isn't it even more than just an end run around? The Trump regime fired the lead prosecutor from the Southern District of New York, Maureen Comey, who was the prosecutor of Ghislaine and who was the prosecutor of Epstein before he died purportedly by suicide. And she would have absolutely said, what are you talking about? But they fired her and then blamed her dad for the for everything Epstein. They're saying the lead prosecutor's dad created the hoax. Right. Yeah, I think that that's clearly part of their effort to link this to Jim Comey through his daughter. It's really disgusting. And I know Maureen Comey, she's an outstanding prosecutor, totally independent, totally nonpartisan.

12:21bipartisan. And what the Pam Bondi and Todd Blanch are doing to the Department of Justice is absolutely a travesty. And I'm not sure how it will recover from this just blatant politicization. The Department of Justice is now a political arm of Donald Trump.

12:39Ben Meiselas:Let's talk about the files. So when Donald Trump's name appears in the files, you had a social media post where you talked about what that really means. So when we know there's 300 gigabytes of stuff. That's not the grand jury testimony. This is search warrants, wiretaps. Explain to us what's in the file and what the FBI could do tomorrow or frankly, what it should have done back in February. Well, what's likely to be in there, especially if it's 300 gigabytes, is going to be a lot of recordings, whether it's video or wiretap or other consensual recordings by victims or other cooperating witnesses.

13:25There'll be photographs. There'll be a lot of evidence that takes up a lot of hard drive space. There will also be many, many, many FBI documents, reports of investigation, and probably local Florida reports of investigation from witness interviews. There will be things that they seized from Epstein's island, from his home. And who knows what he kept? You know, there are reports that he kept a lot of materials related to his co-conspirators. And so you will have texts and other communications that may have been retrieved by a search warrant or otherwise provided to the government. It will be a laundry list of all different types of evidence.

14:19And the grand jury testimony is really a narrow summary of that evidence as it pertains to the people who are charged. So even if we were to see the grand jury testimony, it would really only relate to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. We're not going to see or hear about all many of the others who may have been involved in the scheme.

14:43Ben Meiselas:Congressman, before we go, explain to the audience where we go from here and what you think is going to happen next or what do you want to see happen next? It seems that the cover-up, frankly, and this is, I used to be a practicing lawyer, I now pretend to be one on YouTube, but it's starting to feel like the cover-up is criminal and obstruction and tampering with files and does it move in that? Where do you see this thing going? Well, I think there are a couple of different ways it can go. You know, the Department of Justice is correct that they do have a real obligation to protect victims, especially minor victims.

15:27And so but it sounds as if the FBI have spent thousands of hours going through all these materials, redacting the anything pertaining to the victims, which does have to be done. So I believe that's been done, but that is something that is required. You would never release that information under any circumstances. So then the question is, what are they going to release? And the sort of fig leaf they're using with the grand jury testimony and Ghislaine Maxwell to assuage their angry base is clearly insufficient. And I think what people want to know is, you know, what Donald Trump's role was, what is his involvement in the Epstein files, as well as any others.

16:18And I don't know whether they're Democrats or Republicans or whether they're non-politicians or famous people. I think that at this point, because they promised to release the files, they have an obligation to explain to the American people not only what is in them and to debunk all of the conspiracy theories, but also to explain what Donald Trump is working so hard to cover up. And until we understand the truth, both that debunks the conspiracy theories and that pertains to Donald Trump's role, then we're not getting the full story and the cover up continues.

17:07Ben Meiselas:Democratic Congress member Dan Goldman, thanks for everything you do. Thank you, Ben. everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. The truth is more important than ever. Check out our new truth over lies collection at store.midastouch.com. All 100 % USA union made.

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