In short
Wisconsin backlash to Donald Trump’s policies, especially tariffs and health-care changes, and Senator Tammy Baldwin’s call for Congress to use leverage to reverse harm.
Guests
Senator Tammy Baldwin (U.S. Senator from Wisconsin). She describes traveling in August to rural hospitals and free clinics serving Medicaid patients, warning that Medicaid cuts could affect nearly a quarter million Wisconsinites and threaten clinics and jobs.
Key claims
Trump betrayed voters by promising lower costs and ending wars, while tariffs raise grocery and other prices; his “most favored nation” prescription drug idea is framed as a lie because prices are rising; his signature legislation would cut Medicaid by nearly $1 trillion over a decade, causing people to lose coverage and shifting costs upward.
Notable examples
Brian Steele (MAGA Republican) booed in Wisconsin defending tariffs; Trump’s most favored nation executive order claim; “Club Rose Garden” spending; RFK Jr. confirmation commitments allegedly broken.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPublic Sentiment on Trump in Wisconsin
0:00 to 0:13
Discuss the growing discontent among Wisconsinites towards Trump's policies.
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Public Sentiment on Trump in Wisconsin
2:14 to 3:16
Discuss the growing discontent among Wisconsinites towards Trump's policies.
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Economic Effects of Tariffs
3:16 to 4:07
Analyze the backlash against Trump's tariffs from Wisconsin voters.
“I'll just show you, though, what went down before the summer ended to remind you in Wisconsin.”
Senator Baldwin's Insights on Healthcare Costs
4:07 to 6:15
Senator Baldwin discusses the increasing healthcare costs under Trump's policies.
“Why are they wearing masks and why are they unidentified?”
The Most Favored Nation Concept
6:15 to 8:10
Examine the implications of Trump's most favored nation drug pricing promise.
“But everyone's health care costs are going to go up because that's what happens, cost shifting.”
Trump's Broken Promises and Public Betrayal
8:10 to 11:05
Explore the perception of betrayal among voters due to Trump's unfulfilled promises.
“And I think now they're like, oh, wait, I'm getting screwed, too.”
Legislative Strategies to Address Issues
11:05 to 14:00
Discuss the potential legislative strategies to counteract Trump's policies.
“The, you know, ways in which Donald Trump has enriched himself through the normalization of corruption, frankly, you know, meme coins and, you know, multimillion dollar tickets to dinners with him.”
Trump's Impact on Republican Senators
14:00 to 16:46
Discussion on how Trump’s actions affect bipartisan efforts and Republican senators' responses.
“that they work with us on measures that will seriously bring down the cost of prescription drugs.”
RFK Jr. Commitments and Accountability
16:46 to 17:57
Senator Baldwin discusses RFK Jr.'s broken commitments and the responsibility of Republican senators.
“He ran on one thing and he's doing just the opposite.”
Transcript
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2:46Ben Meiselas:equivalent taxes and fees extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy see terms americans are absolutely livid at donald trump and his regime and since the summer has ended i think we've been seeing more and more people just say enough is enough i don't know if it's just the ending of summer has signified a you know a rallying call going forward but there's definitely uh democracy in the air and a uh despising what this trump regime is doing. I'll just show you, though, what went down before the summer ended to remind you in Wisconsin. You had a MAGA Republican Congress member, Brian Steele, getting booed as he tries to defend Trump's disastrous tariffs.
3:29Ben Meiselas:Let's play it. My main concern is the tariffs that are coming up. I would like to know what dire economic circumstances put Trump in a position of throwing tariffs on over 190 countries. This really, at its core, needs to be an opportunity to make sure that other countries are treating the United States fairly. The United States... We've seen how that's gone, especially as additional economic data has come in at the beginning of September and really some of the worst economic data we've seen in a generation. From that same town hall in Wisconsin, you can see Brian Steele getting further dragged by his constituents.
4:13Ben Meiselas:Let's play it.
4:23Ben Meiselas:Why are they wearing masks and why are they unidentified?
4:36Ben Meiselas:We'll probably agree to disagree on some of my answer here. But what I view is the moral hazard created by the Biden administration by allowing the U.S. to remain unsecure.
4:51Ben Meiselas:Let's bring in Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin. It's great to see you again. I think the people in Wisconsin and across the country are pissed. Like Trump's been saying, oh, the tariffs have no impact. Don't worry. We're in a golden age. And I think here we are after the summer and people are like, OK, this is this is ridiculous. Like this is worse than the worst fears. What are you seeing, Senator? Well, so what I'm hearing from Wisconsinites is they just honestly feel betrayed by Donald Trump because he ran on this idea. of I'm going to bring down your costs, your grocery costs, your energy costs, your healthcare costs.
5:32I'm going to just bring down all these costs, day one, as well as I think end two wars. But people are seeing their costs go up and they're seeing him take actions like the tariffs that are having major impacts on the cost of groceries, the cost of things. And then his signature piece of legislation is going to result in everyone's health care costs going up. And not just, I mean, people are going to lose health care because of the Medicaid policies and the tax credits that help people afford their private insurance to the affordable care marketplace. But everyone's health care costs are going to go up because that's what happens, cost shifting.
6:21And they're going to see it really soon. So my trip through Wisconsin, actually multiple trips through Wisconsin during our August break, brought me to rural hospitals and free clinics and places that employ people who provide services to those on Medicaid who will lose their jobs if Medicaid dries up. I heard from them and the impact it's going to have on nearly a quarter million Wisconsinites who will lose their health insurance over the next few years. And those who, you know, run clinics that they're not sure they're going to be able to keep the doors open.
7:05Ben Meiselas:I remember back in May, Donald Trump made a post on social media, effective immediately by way of this executive order. we are instituting a most favored nation provision where Americans will now be paying the lowest prescription drug price that the pharmaceutical company charges anywhere in the world. So if in Europe or India, whatever country it is, they charge 50 cents, then the drug in America would be 50 cents, which if you're an American, that's a great thing. When we're talking about people's health care and lives. And that promise is a matter of life or death. It's a pretty screwed up thing to lie about and to defraud people.
7:54Ben Meiselas:So I'm not sure people were like, oh, he's lying about because who who lies about killing people? Donald Trump. He does. And here we are in September. The most favored nation concept is a total Trumpian fraud. Prices are going higher and people in Wisconsin are getting screwed. And I think now they're like, oh, wait, I'm getting screwed, too. Yeah, you're going to screw, too. What do you think? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you just limit the discussion to health care, he dangled that idea of most favored nation status for that. You know, the idea isn't a bad one. You just have to make it happen.
8:35Right. Why should Americans pay more than any other country, citizens of any other country for prescription drugs? Well, in every other country, they have a nation that is negotiating lower prices for their citizens. except in America, except for a very slim number of medications that Medicare now negotiates. But we could be expanding this greatly. I mean, his idea isn't horrible, right? It just isn't being implemented. It was words. It was a lie. It was betrayal. And then, of course, we're seeing it throughout health care with all of these other things, you know, that he promised would be better.
9:26And oh no, don't worry about Medicaid, we're just cutting fraud, waste, and abuse, and throwing off people who may not be documented citizens. That is not what they're doing in that signature piece of legislation that Trump put forward. It is a massive attack, almost a trillion dollars out of Medicaid over the next decade, that is going to throw people who are eligible for Medicaid off of it. And we're going to see a lot of consequences with regard to health costs. And their approach to everything is when Americans, Wisconsinites, people in other states
10:06Ben Meiselas:are experiencing these things. Like we know groceries are up. If you go to a grocery store and you're living, you know things are less affordable. You know because you go out into the world. And then he goes, I've solved inflation. We're actually in a golden age. Healthcare costs have plummeted. We're doing amazing. And we are, we objectively aren't. So then he goes, let's fire all of the data people because I don't like the data. So let's get rid of the data people. And that's their approach to everything. And then in the White House, they open up Club Rose Garden, an elite club for Republican cabals to spend our taxpayer dollars, like partying in the area where the Rose Garden.
10:52Ben Meiselas:I'm just thinking about that image of Club Rose Garden and the people of Wisconsin who are living paycheck to paycheck, who were made all of these promises who now feel very nervous. Yeah. The, you know, ways in which Donald Trump has enriched himself through the normalization of corruption, frankly, you know, meme coins and, you know, multimillion dollar tickets to dinners with him. It's just grotesque. When I think of all the people that I represent who are just trying to make ends meet and who know, you know, they used to be able to put a little bit in savings and feel like they were getting a little bit ahead.
11:48And now it feels just the opposite, that there's not enough to make it through the month before the next paycheck comes. And I think, as I said in the outset, people feel really betrayed because I will give Trump credit during the election. He diagnosed the problem. People were upset with the cost of things. And he promised solutions. But now that they've seen his actions contribute to the matters getting much worse.
12:25Ben Meiselas:So what can we do? You know, there's legislation you're championing to extend ACA premium tax credit. I mean, how do we call how do we call the bluff and say, here's what we're doing? Here's what they're voting against. If they truly wanted to make prescription drug prices cheaper, here's what they're doing. Here's what they would do. And I'll prove to you this is what they're not doing. Yeah. Well, let's start by just acknowledging facts here. Republicans have the presidency, they have the Senate and they have the House. So we have to find places where we have leverage. And there's a moment like that coming up.
13:08Because, as you know, in the Senate, for some legislation, you need a supermajority. You need 60 votes, which means Republicans have to work with Democrats to get certain things done. And we have a moment like that coming up. And I think we're going to see one of two scenarios. We're going to see the potential for Republicans and the president saying it's our way or the highway. Take it or leave it. And, you know, we have some things that we need to get done. The other path is that they agree to reverse some of the harm that has been done in Trump's signature budget bill, harm to Medicaid, that they agree to extend the premium tax credits that allow people to be able to afford to pay for their health insurance, that they work with us on measures that will seriously bring down the cost of prescription drugs.
14:17And not only that, but it's not enough to achieve those goals. In addition, we have to curtail Trump's lawlessness because we can't get an agreement, a bipartisan agreement, to do these things that are really important that we need to do and have Trump just the next day undo them unilaterally, it has to have the safeguards that say Congress acts, Congress creates the budget for the agencies, you have to implement and administer what Congress passes. And so those are the two paths, but we will have some leverage at that moment.
15:01Ben Meiselas:You know, there's a lot of things that concern me. But as I think about that RFK Jr. testimony, and I saw Republican senators, physicians, Cassidy, Barroso, others, you know, were pushing back saying, you know, you're killing my constituents. You know, this is what you're doing is so dangerous. So on the one hand, I'm like, OK, well, we've got some Republican senators who are physicians saying that you're killing my constituents. We're pretty in terms of things the health secretary can be doing, killing my constituents probably be pretty, pretty bad, you know, pretty bad thing to say. And he is, I mean, with with all of his actions at the CDC and the vaccination board.
15:43Ben Meiselas:But then they get interviewed outside. And I saw whether it was Barroso, whether it was Cassidy. So do you have no confidence in what Trump's doing? Ah, you know, I got to trust Trump. We got to you got to trust. What do you mean? Why? What did I just see? What are you talking about? That makes that makes no sense. So I want to leave you with your observations. They're being colleagues with these people who are physicians who know that he's killing people, but then don't get to the next step of saying I'm a freaking senator. Like, that's a pretty big deal. Like you're a senator of the United States.
16:19Ben Meiselas:Like, like not a small job, like one of the biggest, if not the. So like, why not stand up to the guy? Like, why give all of your agency to this guy who's telling us that he didn't sign the Epstein birthday book when it's his signature? Like, why are we giving agency to crazy people? It's from why are smart people seemingly doing that? Right. Well, you know, just we started by talking about how my constituents feel that Trump betrayed them. He ran on one thing and he's doing just the opposite. But I think my Republican colleagues, especially the doctors that you were identifying, it's Dr. and Senator Cassidy.
16:59Barrasso is a doctor as well as a senator. And they, I believe, in fact, Cassidy recited the commitments he got from RFK Jr. as a condition of becoming a yes vote to confirm his nomination. I remember as clear as yesterday, we were in committee and he went through the various commitments that RFK Jr. made to him that would lead to his voting yes on his confirmation. Kennedy has broken every single one of those commitments in full view. So even if my colleagues won't stand up to President Trump, they should at least be standing up to RFK Jr. and calling on him to resign or calling on the president to fire him.
17:56Ben Meiselas:Senator Tammy Baldwin, before we go, anything else you want to say to our 6 million subscribers that I missed? Oh my goodness. We could talk for the rest of the day. Just keep up the fight. We have to keep up the fight. Senator Tommy Baldwin from Wisconsin. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. The truth is more important than ever. Check out our new Truth Over Lies collection at store.midastouch.com. All 100 % USA union made. Bye.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump getting booed repeatedly in Wisconsin and he loses support and screws people and Meiselas speaks with Democratic Senator Tammy Baldwin about what she is seeing on the ground in Wisconsin.
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