Smoking Gun Evidence of Trump Dark Past Resurfaces

21 Jul 2025 · 22 min · 13 chapters

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In short

Claims about Donald Trump’s alleged “dark past,” focusing on an early-1990s Palm Beach party after Trump beauty pageants, plus links to underage modeling and Jeffrey Epstein.

Guests/backgrounds

No podcast guests named in the transcript. The episode centers on audio clips from Luther Campbell (“Uncle Luke”), rapper from Two Live Crew, in a SiriusXM interview on “Make It Plain” with Mark Thompson; and a quote from biographer Michael Wolff.

Key claims

Campbell says Trump invited him, Mike Tyson, and Eddie Murphy to a Palm Beach mansion party; he left after ~45 minutes because he believed many girls were not old enough and he saw drug use and widespread sex in multiple rooms. The host also claims Trump’s pageants involved very young contestants (as young as 13–14) and ties Trump to Epstein via “models” and to Elite Model Management founder John Casablancas.

Notable examples

Campbell’s “Eyes Wide Shut” description; Trump judging footage from a 1991 pageant; Wolff’s remarks about Trump and Epstein being “obsessed with models”; claims about Casablancas sexually abusing underage girls.

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Uncovering Trump's Past

0:00 to 0:20

Discussion of an interview revealing disturbing details about Trump parties.

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Uncovering Trump's Past

1:00 to 2:03

Discussion of an interview revealing disturbing details about Trump parties.

“An old interview with someone who attended a Donald Trump party in the early 1990s has emerged.”

Uncle Luke's Experience at Trump's Party

2:03 to 3:46

Uncle Luke shares his unsettling experience at a party hosted by Trump.

“Here's Uncle Luke in his own words on Make It Plain.”

Describing the Party Atmosphere

3:46 to 7:30

Details about the chaotic and questionable activities at the party.

“You know, I smoked marijuana two times, you know, when I was in high school, and I didn't like the experience.”

The Aftermath of the Party

7:30 to 10:27

Uncle Luke reflects on leaving the party due to its environment and activities.

“but i had some other elements and some other things in there then that's that's when i got to go okay um and so it was just wide out open sex is what was happening was it Was it of the orgy variety?”

The Aftermath of the Party

10:31 to 11:01

Uncle Luke reflects on leaving the party due to its environment and activities.

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Unearthing Trump’s Pageants Past

14:00 to 14:26

Discussion of Donald Trump's involvement in beauty pageants for young girls.

“Here are some photos of Uncle Luke Luther Campbell back when he was in 2 Live Crew.”

1991 Pageant Footage Revealed

14:26 to 14:58

Examination of shocking 1991 footage from Donald Trump's beauty pageants.

“I called it hidden footage from 1991 unearthed by Midas Touch showing some of these pageants.”

Behind the Scenes at the Pageants

14:58 to 16:55

Details about the judging process and behind-the-scenes footage from the pageants.

“The 58 contestants participated in an exhaustive round of personal interviews designed to help our judges discover what makes each one special.”

Michael Wolff on Trump and Epstein

16:55 to 18:20

Discussion of Michael Wolff's insights into the connections between Trump and Epstein.

“So Wolf has more knowledge about Epstein and Trump than really just about anyone by nature of him being their biographers.”
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Connection to Elite Model Management

18:20 to 19:08

Exploration of Trump's connection to John Casablancus and Elite Model Management.

“But we've also done exposés here at the Midas Touch Network on Donald Trump's relationship to that guy named John Casablancus.”

Continuous Coverage on Midas Touch

19:54 to 20:11

Encouragement to continue following Midas Touch Network for updates.

Continuous Coverage on Midas Touch

20:25 to 20:55

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0:59Ben Meiselas:We've got the receipts here on the Midas Touch Network. An old interview with someone who attended a Donald Trump party in the early 1990s has emerged. One of Donald Trump's celebrity friends at that time, his name is Luther Campbell. You may know him as the rap moniker Uncle Luke. He was part of the band Two Live Crew. And he did an interview with SiriusXM about 10 years ago on a show called Make It Plain with Mark Thompson. And during this interview, Luther Campbell, a.k.a. Uncle Luke, talks about how in the early 1990s, he was at Donald Trump's house in Palm Beach. And he left this party when he saw people there who he thought were underage girls.

1:50Ben Meiselas:He described the scene as looking like it was from Eyes Wide Shut with Tom Cruise and Nicole Campbell. He said he saw drug use and he had to just get out. Let's take a look at this interview. Here's Uncle Luke in his own words on Make It Plain. Let's play the clip. The man took us around the house. Okay, he said, look, I got all these women. I got these women from the pageant. They're going to be there. So we went. It was like, hey, man, I got a pageant down here. I'm hosting these women at the house, okay, up in Palm Beach. They sent some cars to pick us up. We get in the cars. We drive up there.

2:31Me, Mike, Eddie Murphy, we all in our own individual cars. Car service drove us up there. We got there. He showed us around the house, you know, told us about this mansion and the history behind it and all that, just the golf course. It was dark. We couldn't see the golf course and things like that. And then before you know it, hey, man, y 'all enjoy yourself. We got cocktails and everything. And before you know it, the rooms and everything started popping. There wasn't no DJ. It was more of, hey, get in where you fit in. Whatever room you're going to go in, you go into that room. So you say no DJ.

3:08There was no music? No, there wasn't no music. No music. That's the interesting part about it. There wasn't no music. so women just naked in rooms with no music hey people walk around it ain't it wasn't listen when i was it wasn't nothing wrong now i was happy to be at that party but then at the end of the day when i when i started looking at so many girls faces i was like man these girls don't look like they're old enough i didn't ask nobody their age and then all the other stuff going on, you know, it was like, okay, I can't be up in here. I got to go. If I'm going to jail, then somebody's going to extort me.

3:49I really, you know, I don't do drugs. Never did it in my life. You know, I smoked marijuana two times, you know, when I was in high school, and I didn't like the experience. As far as drugs, I may have sold drugs. I never liked the people who I sold them to when I was young. Because I thought they were stupid for buying it. So I never cared to indulge in it. So when I do see people doing it, if I'm around it, I get away from it.

4:21Ben Meiselas:Put it that way. And here Uncle Luke again talks about showing up. He was there with Mike Tyson. He was there with other celebrities. And he talks about how the girls there were so young. He didn't want to be around it. He thought that he could also be extorted if he was there. Listen to him in his own words again, talking about the event. Let's play it. The thing, the thing, let me tell you, the thing is when you're around, I've been around a lot of models and a lot of, a lot of these pageant women, because that's what mostly it was. It was mostly pageant women. A lot of these women ain't of age.

4:59So when you got a whole bunch of these women running around, whether you know, whether they of age or not, you know, there's a lot of things going on. you just, you know, some women look too young. Oh. Keep it moving. I see. You know, so it wasn't nobody beating no women or nobody taking advantage of no women. I mean, they were all enjoying themselves. That's what they were there for, but were they old enough to be enjoying themselves? I don't know. Was there sex? Of course there was sex. I guess that's a stupid question now that I ask it. Okay, so I think I got you now. You're saying that all this was going on and you weren't clear as to whether these were adults.

5:50I wasn't clear whether or not they were adults. And I wasn't clear whether or not, you know, whether I wanted to be in that kind of environment where some of these other things that was going on. I ain't going to too much elaborate about everything else that was going on outside of the sexual act. Well, my brother, we love for you, too. We love for you, too. That's why we on Sirius X. I know you want me to. Because we can open it up. We on Sirius XM. We can bust it wide open right here. I know you want me to talk about the drugs and the alcohol and the sex and all that, but I ain't going to talk about the drugs and the alcohol and the sex.

6:25but but now you you did say that you if you were on XM you could talk about it so that's why we're here man I mean people inquiring minds want to know I said I could use the profanity and all that there and talk about you know naked people and all that but then I didn't do the drug part I don't want to talk about that part of it

6:46Ben Meiselas:here's more from this interview between Mark Thompson and Uncle Luke a.k.a. Luther Campbell, a.k.a. Uncle Luke from Two Live Crew, talking about this event. Luke describes it again as all of these rooms with he saw young girls having sex with men. And he said it was like right out of that movie Eyes Wide Shut. And have you seen that scene from Eyes Wide Shut, that that orgy kind of cult scene? That's what he's referring to. Here, play this clip. Tell us about tell us about the sex. yeah it was a lot of sex going on just wide out and open wide out and open like you was in a just imagine the eyes wide shut uh movie that's what i felt like i was in but i had some other elements and some other things in there then that's that's when i got to go okay um and so it was just wide out open sex is what was happening was it Was it of the orgy variety?

7:48Well, they were in different rooms. The man got so many rooms in the house. I ain't never seen that many rooms in the house in my life. But it was more about everybody in all these different rooms. And when you open up a door, there was something going on different in a different room. So you just got in where you fit in. If you feel like you want to go in that room, you go in that room right there. There was some things going on. some interesting things going in that room. It was like a regular... Well, you say... Give me an example of an interesting thing that was going on, if you don't mind.

8:26Outside of the sex, you got to use your imagination. If it's sex, then there's some other things going on that you don't want to be bothered with. I don't know if my imagination goes that far. I don't... So if it wasn't sex... Hold on, you big boy. No, really, bro. You in the radio business. Wait a minute. So something was going on outside of sex and drugs that was interesting. I'm trying to figure out. Outside of sex. Outside of sex. Outside of sex. And then you have whatever else you want to use your imagination. What happens after that? But there was a lot of things going on. You know, you don't, you know, them guys in there, you know, it was going down.

9:13So, was Donald Trump having... It was one of them parties you would have enjoyed yourself being at. Well, I mean, I don't know, brother. See, I probably would have been like you. I would have rolled out, but, you know, I don't... I love starting my morning with mud water. It's delicious and clears up my brain fog incredibly quickly. Mudwater's OG blend is a mix of cocoa, chow, turmeric, and adaptogenic mushrooms to help you feel focused without the crash. And the best part, it's amazing over ice. Seriously, just mix it with cold water or milk, shake it up, pour it over ice, and boom. You've got yourself a refreshing feel-good boost that actually helps you stay balanced.

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11:00Ben Meiselas:Now, Luke describes how this party at Trump's place took place after one of Donald Trump's pageants from the 1990s. So Donald Trump called up Luke Tyson, Eddie Murphy, and said, hey, everybody, come on. I'm throwing this party after the pageant. they show up and he's like, I got to get out of here. These girls are too young and there's drugs going on. Here, play this clip. Shoot, it had to be around 90-something. In the 90s. When he first opened up the mansion in West Palm Beach. So, Uncle Luke, tell us what happened. You went with Eddie Murphy and Mike Tyson. The three of you were together? Yes.

11:43Uh-huh. And Donald Trump invited you all personally? Yeah. He invited all us. He was having his pageant contest going on. And with his pageant contest, he ended up inviting us to the event. Tell us what happened, Uncle Luke. What happened to that party that made you have to leave? Well, I mean, it was just a lot of things going on. You know, a lot of things that I don't care to engage in. And, you know, he showed us the house, showed us the golf course in the back, all these different things. You know, say, man, great house, nice house. And I think I probably was there for every bit of maybe 45 minutes before I realized all these different things that was going on.

12:33And I was like, okay, it's time for me to go here. Now you understand, you, Uncle Luke, you two live crew. So, I mean, we're dying to know what was going on that you couldn't engage in. And it was, you know, it was just some things that I don't really care to discuss. Because, I mean, you know, one thing about me, I don't kiss and tell. But at the same time, the party was going on. And, you know, it was a lot of things. Put it this way, there were a lot of things going on. A lot of things.

13:09Ben Meiselas:More from Luke Campbell right here. Luther Campbell, let's play it. A lot of things in a lot of different rooms. There was a lot of different rooms going on in the house. And every time you opened up a door, there was something else going on that I really didn't care to be a part of. So I felt like, you know, hey, look, man, you know, I'm from Liberty City. At the end of the day, if I wanted to be involved in all those different type of activities, I did that in my hometown. Les Long is going to somebody's house where I think they got cameras and everything, be able to take me in before you know it, you extorting me.

13:49That ain't going to happen. But, you know, one thing about me, I never take no drugs and I don't get into drugs. So I leave it like that. Were there drugs there, Uncle Luke? It was a lot of things up in there. I know I don't take no drugs. I'm going to leave it like that.

14:07Ben Meiselas:Here are some photos of Uncle Luke Luther Campbell back when he was in 2 Live Crew. Here's a photo of him today. And in the early 1990s, Donald Trump was throwing these beauty pageants for young girls as young as 13 years old, 14 years old. We've done an expose over the weekend I encourage you to use. I called it hidden footage from 1991 unearthed by Midas Touch showing some of these pageants. You can see these girls, just how young they are here. Show this photo. Here's another photo of it right here. And here's one of the videos that we unearthed at the Midas Touch Network of Donald Trump judging a pageant.

14:49Ben Meiselas:And then in 1991, he would bring the pageant girls back to his place and throw these parties. But here's some of the footage we unearthed from 1991. Let's play it. The 58 contestants participated in an exhaustive round of personal interviews designed to help our judges discover what makes each one special. You're 5 '9 reading? Serious, huh? We may invite you again tonight before you come. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. The concentration was intense inside the judging room. I don't like you. Here you are. And out. I'm just so excited. Each girl was considered not only for her beauty and poise, but also for her personality.

15:33and that indefinable something extra that makes a top model. Okay, do you want to pull your hair back one second?

15:46All right. Thank you very much, English. Good luck for tonight. Thank you. When it came time to choose the 21 finalists, emotions ran high. Each judge expressed his or her opinion.

16:00Ben Meiselas:Here, Trump is seen speaking here in footage from this 1991 video. Let's play it. A look-of-the-year contest is the ultimate contest for women that want to go all the way in the modeling business. Featuring 58 of the world's most beautiful young women competing for more than$700 ,000 in prizes. Wow. The chance of a dream come true, a career as one of modeling superstars. will take you behind the scenes onto the running. You see the fun, feel the excitement. You'll pick your feet along with our panel of expert and celebrity judges. Enjoy front row VIP seats at a gala evening. One of these contestants will be selected as the girl's book of the year.

16:49Ben Meiselas:And here is Michael Wolff, one of Donald Trump's biographers. Wolf was also considering becoming Epstein's biographer. So Wolf has more knowledge about Epstein and Trump than really just about anyone by nature of him being their biographers. And he was going to be Epstein. He spent hours, almost like hundreds of hours almost, with Epstein. And here's what Wolf said over the weekend about that connection between Trump and Epstein. Let's play it. I want to clarify something. A lot of people have taken exception in the linkage of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein saying, you don't mean that Donald Trump liked little girls.

17:30Let me just refocus this back to the time that we're talking about. Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were obsessed with models. This was one of the key focuses of their lives, as important as money. models. How many models have you had? How many models do you know? How do you get models? And they went through an elaborate process. They invested in model agencies. They started model.

18:01Ben Meiselas:Now, a lot of people have focused just on the relationship between Trump and Epstein. And we've done, I think, a deeper dive into that connection than really just about any news entity out there. and we've been doing it for, since we started the Midas Touch Network more than five years ago. But we've also done exposés here at the Midas Touch Network on Donald Trump's relationship to that guy named John Casablancus. Casablancus was the founder of what's called Elite Model Management, an elite model agency. Lots of underage girls who were part of that model agency, lots of sexual abuse of underage girls taking place there by Casablancus.

18:42Ben Meiselas:This is a well-known thing. Casablancus left his wife to sexually abuse a 15-year-old girl who he made his girlfriend, sexually assaulting consistently this 15-year-old, and then left his other wife for a 17-year-old girl. You know that photo of Donald Trump with his kids and he's standing next to Epstein and another guy? That other guy is Casablancus. And I think it's important that we know that Casablancus would do these pageants and also party and hang out with Donald Trump. So we'll keep covering it here on the Midas Touch Network. Hit subscribe. Help us get to 6 million subscribers. New Midas merch drop.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on a critical interview with a celebrity witness who fled a Trump party in the early 1990’s when he saw what was going on.

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