Thursday Afternoon Breaking News Updates with Ben - 5/7/2026

27:36Ben Meiselas:So even though Donald Trump's meeting with President Lula was not public, Donald Trump did meet privately with the Nelk boys today, the right-wing Canadian YouTubers who engage in a lot of bizarre behavior, who supported him in 2024. They got the red carpet treatment at the White House while all of this is taking place. As I said, this is a complete and utter clown show right now at the White House. A reminder to everybody watching, go and get the taco emoji, if you want to access all of the emojis that we have here, if you want to become a member of our YouTube channel, hit subscribe, and then click join.

28:26And the join is where you become a member. You can gift memberships to as many people as you want if you're able to afford memberships. When we come back, I want to talk more about the escalation in the Strait of Hormuzes. We're now learning that the United States did indeed strike targets near Karg Island. Although, and this is again, in bureaucracy. It's so embarrassing. The U.S.

28:52Ben Meiselas:Army attacked Iranian targets in the Strait of Hormuz, but they do not constitute a resumption of the war. The U.S. military, and it just keeps on posting this over and over again. We'll see what Iran has to say about that. We're going to be very carefully focused on the region. I want to also focus on what this is all a massive distraction from as well, which is the Epstein files. And it's the fact that the Trump regime, the Epstein class, are in the files. They're all over the files. And as Donald Trump told Marjorie Taylor Greene, these are my people. These are my friends. You're going to hurt us.

29:29Well, Howard Lutnick refused to sit for an under oath deposition. You all know that now. He did a transcribed interview, no videotape.

29:38Ben Meiselas:And then James Comer has the audacity to say, we're being super transparent. We just showed Jeremy the clip of James Comer. So I just want to set the stage quickly right now, just so we all get this right. We all know that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, in the Epstein files, photos of him on the island, he said he never hung out with Epstein except in 2005. They were neighbors. He went over Epstein's house once. He was grossed out. He knew Epstein was a blackmailer. He knew Epstein was a blackmailer and was involved in horrific conduct. So he would never see him again. Well, he's on the island.

30:21Then Lutnick's like, yeah, well, I brought my children, so it's okay.

30:26Ben Meiselas:And I brought my friends little kitties with them. I brought my little kitties and I brought my friends little kitties. So I wasn't lying. I said, I never went. I brought my kitties. I brought the kids to the island where kids get sexually assaulted. So I'm better, right? Because I didn't lie. Nothing bad happened on the island, as Lutnick said. I just brought the little kids. Okay. You think that's a better fact for you? So we all wanted to like, see Lutnick, he refused to speak when he was in front of the various house committees on the budget. He said, don't worry. I'm not going to tell you what happened on that island with the kiddies because I am going to be testifying under oath before the House Oversight Committee.

31:12Ben Meiselas:Well, he shows up yesterday at the House Oversight Committee, and guess what? Doesn't take the oath, doesn't do a deposition, doesn't have it videotaped. None of that. None of that. And what does he do? I'm going to do a transcribed interview. Okay, well, the questions were like, well, then, okay, well, then why did you go to the island? I don't know. You don't know why you, why'd you bring your kids? I don't know why I brought my kids. Definitely, definitely surprising to me. It surprised you that you brought them. It was surprising to you that you were in the files and you brought your kid. Yeah, I don't know.

31:50Ben Meiselas:And he's not under oath. There's no videotape of it. They don't release the transcript right away. And then James Comer comes out of the room and here's what Comer said. Let's play it. I feel compelled to have to come out and clean up and correct some of the statements that the Democrats made. I couldn't believe as I was getting updates of what they were saying and I hope that when you get the transcripts you fact check them on what they say. This is a habit of the Democrats on this committee coming out telling you all stuff that was said that was not said. The only cover-up that I've seen on the oversight committee is the cover-up of the Democrats trying to cover up our investigations of the Metro Police Department, lying about crime statistics, and the cover-up of the Minnesota fraud by Tim Walts and Keith Ellison, and the cover-up of the hospice fraud in California.

32:46So, we asked some very substantive questions the first hour. The Democrats, during their hour, repeated the exact same questions. Because there's only so many questions you can ask Howard Lutnick, who had a property next door to Epstein in New York, but talked to him three times over a decade. we'll be right back after our first quick break get you more updates about what's going on in the straight approvals let's take a quick break whether you're planting now or later fast growing trees has everything you need to make your dream yard a reality starting with the best quality and selection of plants delivered to your door fast growing trees is america's largest online nursery with over 1600 unique trees and plants they've been delivering trees and plants since 2005 so they know how to do it right.

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36:15Welcome back to Ben on Breaking News. I'm Ben Mycelis. This is Breaking News. Thank you to our pro-democracy sponsors right there. Thank you to all of our sponsors. Great ad reads, Brett. Link in the description below if you want to use those discount codes. They support our show. Support them. Jordy and Brett spend a long time getting you the best deal, so check that out. Let's talk about what we're learning has happened over the break. Well, according to Iran's state media, As we speak, the Iranian Navy is currently shooting at American destroyers in the Sea of Oman. Tasneem News says that Iran's Navy's attacks on American destroyers on the Sea of Oman are currently ongoing.

36:59Ben Meiselas:Iran's Navy targeting three U.S. destroyers in the Strait of Hormuz using combined missiles, suicide drones, and other artillery. According to Tasneem, the United States ships are now, the destroyers are apparently leaving the Sea of Oman. We're waiting for additional confirmation. Now, one of the things that I always find incredibly disconcerting in a situation. There's so much I find disconcerting. Information is power, and especially in times of war. And the fact that US CENTCOM, CENTCOM, look, Donald Trump has zero credibility. Anything spewed from the White House has zero credibility. James Comer, MAGA Republic, zero credibility.

37:54Ben Meiselas:Epstein class has zero credibility. But CENTCOM, CENTCOM, right? The crown jewel of kind of military entities. The fact that they've been spewing a ton of nonsense where, frankly, we all don't know, is CENTCOM telling the truth? Are the Iranians telling the truth? I don't know. The Iranians seem to have been telling us more truthful things than CENTCOM. That's not a good place to be in as an American. But quite frequently when you hear from CENTCOM, well, you know, hundreds of tankers and cargo ships are leaving the Strait of Hormuz. We've opened up lanes and Project Freedom is going exceptionally well.

38:44Ben Meiselas:And you're like, then why? Okay, show me, are there transponders all off? Where are these ships that are all leaving the Strait of Hormuz. If our tankers are truly in the Strait of Hormuz, where are they? I mean, they're not being picked up on lots of satellite. When they are picked up, you can kind of see where they are on the satellite image, but where are they located right now? Or, you know, they'll, you know, CENTCOM will say minimal damage on the air bases, you know, nothing really a big deal. Cosmetic damage. Like we've learned that like, most of America's bases in the Middle East, which by the way, Middle East nations really aren't even letting us use anymore.

39:28Ben Meiselas:They were like, not just destroyed, they were not just damaged, like seriously destroyed by Iran. And that was all covered up, right? No, no one was ever talking about that. And the United States military, Pentagon, ZENCOM, et cetera, they have shut down all of the commercial satellite companies. It's the bizarre thing. They shut down the commercial satellite companies from utilizing or distributing photos of satellites in the region. And it's just very bizarre that that's how CENTCOM is. That's how CENTCOM is behaving. And we don't have any statements out from CENTCOM. We don't have any statements out from the Defense Department or the State Department about what's going on.

40:19Ben Meiselas:We do hear right away from Iran, this was a statement from Iran. Here's their spokesperson from their Navy. The invading terrorists and banded American army by violating the ceasefire targeted an Iranian oil tanker underway from Iran's coastal waters in the Jask region toward the Strait of Hormuz, as well as another ship entering the Strait of Hormuz opposite the UAE's Fujairah port. And simultaneously, civilian areas were subjected to its aerial assaults on the shores of the Bandar-Khamir, the Syriq, and the Keshem Island in collaboration with some regional countries. The armed forces of Iran also immediately launched attacks on U.S.

41:06Ben Meiselas:military vessels in the eastern Strait of Hormuz and the south of Chabahar Port, inflicting significant damage upon them. The criminal and aggressor America and the country supporting it must know that the Islamic Republic of Iran, as in the past, powerfully and without the slightest hesitation, will deliver a crushing response to any assault or aggression. Where's CENTCOM? Where's the Defense Department? Where's anybody too busy hanging out with the Nelk boys, right? You're too busy hanging out with the Nelk boys in the White House. You're too busy talking about the UFC fight on June 14th. You're too busy talking about the golf courses that you've, the public golf courses you've destroyed, the golden ballrooms, the triumphal arches, the Trump airports that are now licensing Trump's name, image, and likeness so that Trump's family profits off of the fact that an airport's named after him.

42:13Ben Meiselas:That's the focus. That's the focus. And by the way, to add insult to injury, and I did a report on this this morning, you know how Donald Trump said the UFC fight, going to be a huge stadium, 20 ,000 people are going to be there to watch the fight. No, we've now learned the details by the way of the UFC fight. It's going to be 4 ,300 people who are all getting comped tickets. And they seem to be saying they're going to be using members of our military as props. And the military members are going to be the 4 ,300 people who are going to be attending. Now, the Trump regime saying, well, we have room for 80 ,000 people on the ellipse.

42:55Ben Meiselas:First off, it's going to be very hot in Washington, D.C. around that time period. But also, they're just going to, what, claim general tourists in the area as people who attended this fight. You're going to use 4 ,300 members of our military while you're in this catastrophic and unlawful war as part of military propaganda at the White House. as you rip away healthcare from people, as people can't afford gas right now, as once again, hostilities escalate in the Middle East because of Trump and Netanyahu's unlawful invasion, catastrophic invasion, war crimes in the region. That's the event. I mean, and did you see this yesterday?

43:44Ben Meiselas:You have Donald Trump holding this press conference where he's talking about how the US kills all of these fishermen. The US killed like 100 people on these fishing boats. They're narco terrorists. We don't get any evidence. The United States just murders people on fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela to satiate Donald Trump and Pete Hegsitt's bloodthirst, bloodlust. Donald Trump goes, you know, we do it by sea, by ocean, by water. When we talk about the sea, I don't mean see the eyes like you see. I mean the sea, the water. Here, play this clip. Like it, but the numbers speak for themselves.

44:26If you really get down, you see drug traffic coming into our country's way down. And by sea, by sea, by ocean, by the water, you know, a lot of people say, what do you mean by sea? is it C like vision? No, it's the SEA, but it's down 97%.

44:46Ben Meiselas:This makes up numbers. 99%, negative 700%. What are you even talking about? And who is it that you're speaking to when you say C? They go, you mean like a C, like the water? Or you mean like seeing with the eye? What are you even talking about? And so again, while Well, hostilities are escalating while Trump's catastrophic war in Iran escalating right now. Once again, what has Donald Trump been doing in the past 24 hours? Showing renderings of the UFC event? That's what he's doing. Here, play this clip. A lot of people haven't seen this yet. I'll give you that. I think you'll probably be able to do okay with it.

45:26Wow. The media's going to go crazy. Not bad, right? Championship belt. Did you hear someone in the background goes, whoa, the media is going to go crazy.

45:40Ben Meiselas:For your stupid AI photo? What do you mean? Oh, we're going to go crazy. You're showing some AI photo that anybody can generate on freaking chat GPT in 25 seconds. And what you're doing is you're putting 4 ,300 military members as props at the White House. By the way, it's Trump's 80th birthday. That's one of the reasons he's doing it, his 80th birthday. But while we have all of these things going on, could you just imagine if Obama did that? Can you imagine if Biden did that? Can you imagine if George W. Bush or Bill Clinton did that? How is any of that normalized? I mean, for real, how is any of that normalized?

46:28Then you have Kevin Hassett, Donald Trump's national economic advisor, bragging how much money people are putting on their credit cards now. Like this is this is their boast. Here play this clip. In fact, I had the head of one of the big five banks in my office yesterday going through the credit card data. And just as Secretary Besant said, credit card spending is through the roof. They're spending more on gasoline, but they're spending more on everything else, too. And so in terms of the jobs picture for the rest of the year, it's really hard to see having the unemployment rate go up, for example.

46:59It's probably going to drop a little bit, but it's already very close to full employment.

47:05We went from golden age, jobs are going to be surging, to at best, to at best.

47:15Ben Meiselas:Maybe we'll basically break even, is basically what he said. It may go up, may lose some jobs. Hard to imagine that we lose any more. They're just all a bunch of grifting con artists. And they move from one con to the next con. And then the corporate news normalizes all of this behavior. Oval Office, little children, Donald Trump, ranting about rigged elections, why would any corporate news even cover that? Why it's Donald Trump. Donald Trump found civilly liable for sexual assault, brags about grabbing women by their vagina because Donald Trump says you're rich and you get away with it. Donald Trump who says that's locker room talk.

48:01Ben Meiselas:Trump who brags about inspecting girls naked in beauty pageants because when you own the beauty pageants, they let you get away with it because you're an inspector, you're the owner. There shouldn't be kids anywhere near this guy. There shouldn't be kids anywhere near this guy. Then there's kids with him and he starts talking about rigged elections and nobody, not a single major publication thinks there's anything wrong with this. Here play the clip of him saying rigged election. Here play it. And unfortunately bad things happened. It was a rigged election. And I said, well, I'll do it again. I had the ultimate poll.

48:36I did so well. and I had the ultimate poll and we won in a landslide. We won every single. We're calling former President Obama Barack Hussein. Listen, what he says in front of the kids. Each other in the presidential fitness test, but others in that we had the Obama administration. Wonderful, wonderful person. Barack Hussein Obama. Have you heard of him? We had the Obama administration, which phased out this wonderful tradition of physical fitness. Thank you, Barack, very much. Great show. Hey, baby, give you back, give you back, give you back, give you back to Santa Mama. What are we watching there in front of little kids?

49:17It's one of the things I hit upon a lot on this show, which is, you know, I think about being a father. I know lots of parents out there, grandparents out there, regardless of if you're a parent or grandparent, but just thinking about our kids.

49:35Ben Meiselas:our children, our future generations. I mean, that scene is sick. That scene is disgusting. Disgusting to watch that. There was once a time where Dan Quayle would spell potato wrong in front of kids. He can't, your political future is over. But our corporate news has so embraced this dystopian reality show, sicko, sicko world, where that doesn't even register as a thing. That just shows you to me how things have fallen in the U.S., where things are. Contrast that to Prime Minister Carney, who was in Yerevan, Armenia, showing actual leadership, talking about how the world is undergoing a rupture.

50:23Yeah, it's going under rupture because

50:24Ben Meiselas:I guess that sicko in the past clip I just showed you, ranting and raving like a lunatic in front of children, scaring the youth with his sick and disgusting behavior, is out there perverting the whole world with his grotesque sludge of his sicko vision of the world. Here's what Carney says here, Play. As the world is undergoing a rupture across several dimensions in technology, in energy and commerce and geopolitics, integration is being used as a weapon by some. And the rules are not constraining the hegemons. Now, we have to actively take on the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. We know nostalgia is not a strategy, but we don't think that we're destined to submit to a more transactional, insular, and brutal world.

51:18And gatherings such as these point to a better way forward. I think I'll close my remarks with a few observations on strategic autonomy, recognizing that security and prosperity today extend well beyond the traditional areas of food, energy, and defense, important as they are, to include space-based communications, semiconductors, digital sovereignty, critical minerals, independent payment systems, clean energy and vaccines. And our strategic imperative is to build these sovereign capabilities with the most trusted partners, and that creates enormous opportunities for partnership between Canada and Europe.

51:59We view ourselves as highly complementary to your economic and security goals. And that's demonstrated through the work we're doing with the presidencies on the new EU-Canada strategic partnership of the future, building deeper relationships from digital to defense, supply chains to security. We're honored to be the first non-European country as part of the EU SAFE initiative. We would observe that in the last year, we have struck$18 billion worth of critical minerals deals across 20 of the world's leading critical minerals. The way to look at this is we are warehousing these to look for government-to-government deals with our close partners and under the rubric of the G7 first and foremost, but then more broadly.

52:49We're working with European partners across the technology stack from hardware, cloud infrastructure, artificial intelligence and space. And as we'll discuss later, we are an energy superpower, third largest oil producer, fourth largest natural gas, largest hydro renewable base. We're committed to addressing climate change while providing reliable, affordable energy to our citizens and partners. now i show you that because that's how a leader is supposed to speak i don't care if you were a republican or a democrat or an independent or a liberal party member of canada or a liberal party member of australia which is really their conservative party or a labor party member of australia or a conservative in canada whether you're a liberal party in the UK, whether you're a Tory, whether you are, you know, whatever.

53:54At the end of the day, you should be speaking thoughtfully, competently, in complete sentences. It should be rooted in values and principles that demonstrate that you're a public servant, that you are in service of the people. It should foundationally be rooted in democracy. It should show respect to the history of your country. It should show respect to humanity, respect to the people who are living in the country.

54:35Ben Meiselas:It should show respect to people in the world more broadly. I mean, it should be a logically coherent ideology and policy so we know where you stand and what you're doing. I mean, to see Donald Trump wake up and post photos of golden statues you saw today, he posted the golden statue in the morning at the Doral Club, The real deal gold that Doral in Miami put there by great American patriots, DJT. By the way, it was a terrible golf tournament at Doral. The worst in PGA history, whether it's UFC, PGA, the United States. Think about this. The 250th anniversary of FIFA, the 250th anniversary of the US is a big deal.

55:25Ben Meiselas:It's not about you. It's not about your birthday. it's not about you know it's not about MAGA it's not about Democrats or Republicans it's about the United States of America and again you've turned it into some weird gross thing you know look I don't really watch UFC all that much it's not my thing but I I know friends who watch UFC See, I'm not really a golfer. I'm not sure what I do to record videos. I'm not really, I used to golf. I'm not much of a golfer, but I have friends who golf. You know, I, you know, with all of these things, it's like, why are you making them so damn weird? Just let the tournaments go on.

56:11Ben Meiselas:Let the people go and play. Let people just enjoy their lives. Stop treading on us. I think about the don't tread on me flags. All Donald Trump wants to do with those fascist tentacles of his is tread on you and tread on people. It's the ultimate big government, whether it's quite literally sending troops into your city like he did in Minnesota, whether it is imposing what he wants, his Trump ideology onto where you learn and what you think and how to live your life. It's just every damn thing. I mean, the UFC stuff, why is the UFC a MAGA thing? Why can't you just let the people fight and engage in the sport without making it some political propaganda with soldiers?

56:59Ben Meiselas:And you entangle it at the White House, which is where the Epstein class resides and is being protected. It's just very, very strange. And the gulf with the golden statues of you. I just think we just have to look at all of this and say, this is some dangerous, weird, strange behavior. And it's hurting Americans most significantly. Americans are feeling the pain. And when you see what Barack Reved of Axios posts, when you see the markets fluctuate the way they do every day, when you see more significantly people looking at those gas prices and saying$4.56 a gallon, like in California, it's like$6.

57:45Ben Meiselas:And I'm sure in a lot of states, it's over$5 a gallon. But you look at that, I think the nationwide average is like$4.60, close to$4.70. Who can afford that? You look at rent, who can afford that? You look at groceries, who can afford that? right you look at foreclosures hitting record highs you look at you know health care being ripped away from people and then you see him there with the ufc and you know he's got his little hands little tiny fingers holding the ufc fight and like he's really weird with the ufc fighters too he's like i think i said this morning he's like attracted to them physically in my opinion it's giving my oh you're so strong look at those arms your hands are so big so it's just I was like, what are we watching?

58:32Ben Meiselas:What is this? The hell is this? And can we please get out of this timeline? And can we have somebody like a Carney in the Oval Office? And by the way, if it was a Democrat like Carney, if it was a Republican, if it was an Independent, if it was someone from some newfangled party that doesn't exist yet, if we just had a grown-up who governed responsibly, who talked about future-looking vision, spoke to the pain that people are experiencing, competently spoke to the media, conducted themselves in their personal and professional lives with dignity. I think we'd all be like, okay, you know, but that's not what we have here.

59:19Ben Meiselas:That's not what we have here. And the bootlicking of Putin, the fact that with all of this going on, you have TASS, which is Russia's state media, they're the ones doing these readouts and we learn, oh, I guess Trump had another call with Putin today. I guess Rubio had another call with Lavrov today. And then what happens right after these calls? Not too soon or pretty soon thereafter. Russia strikes civilian areas in Ukraine. Then Russia declares, okay, we're doing the ceasefire now on May 9th. That's our parade day. You have to acknowledge our ceasefire, Ukraine. The same authoritarian thinking.

1:00:02Ben Meiselas:Putin, Trump, Orban, Jair Bolsonaro, Bukele,

1:00:11Ben Meiselas:Malay, Netanyahu, Pierre Poliev, Dutton, but he's gone. Right? That's who they are. That's who they are, these people. We'll keep you posted throughout the day as more news develops. We're just learning why now. Lula says, here's what went down today. We're just getting this in. Because remember, there was supposed to be a press conference between Lula and Trump. And the way Trump does it is he normally makes the foreign leader sit for a press conference before there's a discussion between Trump and the foreign leader. And Lula's like, yeah, I'm not doing that. He goes, when I arrived here, I stated that I would not speak to the press before the meeting took place.

1:00:52Ben Meiselas:It makes no sense for me to come here for a meeting only to hold a press conference before we've had our discussion. Sounds logical to me. But for Donald Trump, for this reality show, dystopian apprentice drama where we're non-consensual extras in this hellhole. Trump, the Barack Ravid media, they like this stuff. You saw at the White House correspondence dinner, oh, Donald, you're so courageous. You didn't attack us after the alleged incident. He's so courageous. He just wants a ballroom. I mean, these people are the biggest enablers. It's so humiliating to watch because as I watch them bend the knee, I watch this community focus on what really matters.

1:01:52Ben Meiselas:And we've always been telling the truth about what's been going on in Iran every damn day. We show you the satellite footage. We show you what not just Trump propaganda machine. We show you what Iran is saying. We show you what the neighboring countries are saying. We show you what's going on in these regions. We show you just because Donald Trump says ceasefire, peace deal, ain't what's happening. We're showing you what's happening inside. So when these developments happen, you're not shocked. You're not surprised by this because we've been covering this every step of the way. So here's where things stand.

1:02:33Ben Meiselas:U.S. strikes port near Karg Island. Iran's responded striking back at two U.S. destroyers. Apparently, this is ongoing as we're speaking. Iran's media is claiming through their military leaders that the U.S. Navy destroyers are fleeing. We don't know if that's true. That's what they're saying. Sources tell Fox that there are, you know, that confirmed the U.S. strikes in Qashem, in Iran's Qashem port in Bandar Abbas. So Fox is, but that's all we know. Nothing from CENTCOM. Trump regime is saying, oh, this isn't a resumption of the war. That's not what's going on here. So stay tuned. We'll keep following this every step of the way.

1:03:32We'll keep you posted. And don't forget about the Epstein files. That's why I showed you that before. Don't forget that the Trump regime is actively covering up a child sex trafficking ring. Never lose sight of that. Again, I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, independent, not a political, but I don't care what your political affiliation is. The fact that Howard

1:03:52Ben Meiselas:Lutnick refused to go under oath and before a video camera and did a transcribed interview where they don't release the transcription, you're okay with that? If you're okay with that, maybe you're part of that 30 % here that criticizes the Pope for wanting peace. I saw a recent poll. 30 % is upset that the Pope calls for peace. You're in that crew. We're never going to have a rational conversation. Finally, did CENTCOM, do we have the post before we go? Jeremy, let's pull it up because finally CENTCOM, this is what CENTCOM says. So let's read their side of it. CENTCOM protects U.S. warships transiting straight of Hormuz.

1:04:36Ben Meiselas:U.S. forces intercepted unprovoked Iranian attacks and responded with self-defense strikes as U.S. Navy-guided missile destroyers transited the Strait of Hormuz to the Gulf of Oman May 7th. Iranian forces launched multiple missiles, drones, and small boats as the USS Truxton, USL Rafael Peralta, and USS Mason transited the International Sea Passage. No U.S. assets were struck. CENTCOM eliminated inbound threats and targeted Iranian military facilities responsible for attacking U.S. forces, including missile and drone launch sites, command and control locations, and intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance nodes.

1:05:25Ben Meiselas:CENTCOM does not seek escalation, but remains positioned and ready to protect American forces. So you actually put those stories together and they both line up. Iran said two destroyers go in. Iran said they opened fire and the destroyers then left. U.S. saying the destroyers entered. Iran tried to strike them. The U.S. says they hit these targets in Iran and doesn't want escalation. I mean, where it lines up, the part that is curious and interesting now is, does this escalate further? You have Trump's post, we do not seek further escalation is what CENTCOM says. Does Iran go, okay, there's no further escalation?

1:06:18Ben Meiselas:And okay, where are the destroyers right now? So is the Strait of Hormuz open? No. And that's kind of going back to the analogy I gave before. If we view this as, was this a successful mission? I don't know yet, but if it's a successful mission, then we should start to see ships exit the Strait of Hormuz. And we should start seeing control over the Strait of Hormuz. So it's hard for you to sell me on. It's a successful mission if ultimately the U.S. says we don't seek further escalation and Iran still controls the Strait of Hormuz. So I guess we'll see. But right now, as far as we know, those tankers tried to enter, Iran struck, U.S.

1:07:05hit back, no ships leaving the Strait of Hormuz. We'll keep you posted every step of the way.

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