In short
Ben Meiselas delivers rapid-fire political/legal commentary, arguing that independent journalism and FOIA litigation are forcing major court victories and exposing government wrongdoing. He also criticizes Trump’s defense and economic plans, and discusses a separate court fight over J6-related funds and Trump’s tax immunity.
Guests (named in transcript)
Katie Fang (journalist/advocate; FOIA requests and litigation for Epstein Transparency Act transparency; described as pushing for survivors). Allison Gill (legal/advocacy ally supporting FOIA and court fights). E. Jean Carroll, David Hearn, Abrego Garcia (Epstein survivors/advocates referenced as having stood up in court). Natalie Harp (mentioned as a Trump associate/“human printer,” linked to viral/propaganda-style output).
Key claims
Judge Emmett Sullivan orders DOJ to appear and explain violations tied to Epstein Transparency Act redactions/withheld FBI notes; DOJ must provide a privilege log with dates. Ben claims Trump’s DOJ is withholding evidence and using circular “victim” arguments. He also says a Virginia amended complaint challenges Trump’s tax immunity addendum as illegal after a Florida ruling voided a collusive settlement.
Notable examples
FOIA/redaction/privilege-log disputes; handwritten FBI notes (FBI 302s) about alleged underage assault; “theater diplomacy” comparison to Iran’s parliament leader M.B. Goluboff; proposed shift from $1.5T military to $400B drones/unmanned systems; J6 slush fund case in Virginia and Florida settlement/tax immunity challenge.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOKatie Fang and the Epstein Transparency Act
0:45 to 2:36
Discussion on Katie Fang's efforts for the Epstein Transparency Act and the importance of independent news.
“ordering the Trump DOJ regime to show up in federal court next week and to describe why and discuss why they've been violating court order after court order.”
Trump's Legal Challenges and Corporate News
2:36 to 4:42
Exploring Trump's legal woes and the contrasting role of independent media.
“And it's in contrast to what's also going on in the Southern District of Florida, right?”
The Empty Promises of the Trump Administration
4:42 to 9:24
Critique of Trump's policies and the illusion of wealth and success under his administration.
“And it leads you to the Wizard of Oz with no clothes.”
We the People vs. Oligarchy
9:24 to 12:33
Discussion on the disconnect between the people and the political establishment, emphasizing grassroots movements.
“Then we can aggregate all of that and then we can buy a home with this housing plan and a prescription drug plan.”
Shame in American Politics
12:33 to 14:00
Ben expresses feelings of shame regarding America's political situation and military actions.
“Seeing this community respond makes me feel stronger.”
Military Budget and Weapons Shortage
14:00 to 26:38
Explore the implications of increasing military budgets and the critique of outdated warfare technology.
“We ran out of weapons the same way Donald Trump bankrupted his casinos.”
Military Budget and Weapons Shortage
26:51 to 27:44
Explore the implications of increasing military budgets and the critique of outdated warfare technology.
“It's not just whether you pay your credit cards, it's when you pay them.”
Military Budget and Weapons Shortage
28:09 to 29:43
Explore the implications of increasing military budgets and the critique of outdated warfare technology.
“Metabolism Ignite, the number one doctor-recommended GLP-1 booster and GLP-1 alternative.”
Virginia Court Update on Trump's Tax Immunity
30:07 to 33:11
Discover the latest developments in the Virginia case challenging Trump's tax immunity.
“Another big update moments ago in Virginia, the plaintiffs in that case, which blocked the J6 slush fund.”
Judge Sullivan's Order and Legal Implications
33:11 to 42:00
Examine the key points from Judge Sullivan's order and its implications for the DOJ.
“And I did a video on it with Katie Fang.”
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Examining DOJ Tactics and Trump
42:00 to 46:00
Learn about the DOJ's strategies concerning Trump and allegations of criminality.
“Because they know that if you could open up these areas, it opens up Pandora's box.”
Introducing 'WTF America'
46:00 to 47:56
Discover insights on the upcoming book and its broader implications for society.
“Lots of momentum with the pre-orders, the publisher says, that's great.”
Introducing 'WTF America'
48:06 to 49:49
Discover insights on the upcoming book and its broader implications for society.
“Please support our show and tell them we sent you.”
Introducing 'WTF America'
49:56 to 50:15
Discover insights on the upcoming book and its broader implications for society.
“That's 25 % off your first pack and 20 % off your subscription of brain boosting bars delivered straight to your door.”
Trump's Recent Public Appearance and Foreign Relations
50:15 to 56:07
Explore Trump's recent media portrayals and their implications for foreign policy.
“You all see Donald Trump's new wig or whatever he appears to.”
Reflections on American Leadership and Accountability
56:07 to 1:05:22
The discussion highlights the importance of acknowledging past leadership failures and the need for accountability in shaping a better future.
“Look back at a lot of these decisions and perhaps others dealt with it more elegantly or in ways that weren't so transparently ridiculous and dangerous.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Ben Meiselas:Welcome to Ben on Breaking News. I'm Ben Meiselas and this is your Breaking News. Katie Fang, Katie Fang, Katie Fang, Katie Fang, hero. Katie Fang pushing forward when nobody thought it was possible on the Epstein. Well, we thought it was possible. You thought it was possible. But the naysayers in corporate news, the legal pundits, the Midas haters, independent news haters, they thought it wasn't possible. Katie Fang pushing ahead, fighting for the survivors, for the Epstein Transparency Act to actually have a modicum of transparency. and a big order moments ago from federal judge Sullivan in Washington, D.C., ordering the Trump DOJ regime to show up in federal court next week and to describe why and discuss why they've been violating court order after court order.
1:07Ben Meiselas:This is big, folks. And I think this also shows the power of independent news. And when you have people like Katie Fang out there and Allison Gill and some of these heroes that I am so fortunate to be working with every day, they're putting out the FOIA request. They're fighting. And sometimes people say, look, you guys talk a lot. You talk a lot. But when are you going to walk the walk? How do you show us that you're fighting for us? And I say, look, I'm just humbled and honored to be on the same team as people like Allison and Katie and others. And I'm a talker. I'm actually not that much of a talker, actually, when I'm not doing this.
1:52Ben Meiselas:But if you met me privately, because people all the time, they want to debate me privately. I really am not a talker privately other than what I'm doing. I'm deliberative. I'm a researcher and a reviewer, but I'm actually fairly quiet. I think that's what surprises people when they meet me outside of this. I'm actually pretty quiet and not loud outside of these forums. But I think it's a deliberate loud when it is with the Midas Mighty. And I think it is important, though, to reframe corporate news and redo it as it's been destroyed. Independent news leading the way. But, you know, just incredible.
2:35Ben Meiselas:We'll go through that order with you, right? And it's in contrast to what's also going on in the Southern District of Florida, right? We all know Trump terrified of BBC. Trump scared BBC. And he sued BBC. And then BBC fought back against Donald Trump and said, well, you sued us. So now you're going to participate in discovery? You're going to turn over documents, big guy? Or you're going to taco? As the Iranians saw as well. Trump will huff and he'll puff and he'll blow your house down. Except when you stand up to that pathetic loser, he backs down. If he sues you, put him up for deposition right away.
3:27Ben Meiselas:Right away. If he sued us, I don't even think I would file a motion to dismiss. I would say set a trial date. Let's just do the trial. Let's go. Let's go, big guy. Do it in public. Show up in front of a jury and make one of your frivolous RAC 12. Put the Jewers on. And when you stand up and you fight back against him, we've seen the heroes as well outside of the Midas Touch Network. E. Jean Carroll, David Hearn, Abrego Garcia, the Epstein survivors. They've stood up to the regime. And when you stand up to the regime, the regime reveals they're not the wolf in sheep's clothing. They are the emperor with no clothes in the sheep's clothing.
4:15Ben Meiselas:They are empty, empty vessels, empty vessels where people can put in their hatreds, their resentments, their anger, their divisions, their fascism. That's what it is. That's what MAGA is. You follow the yellow brick road or the fake gilded bronze statue reflecting pool road. And it leads you to the Wizard of Oz with no clothes. A coward. Pathetic coward in 1600 Pennsylvania. Who now, pathetic coward. Look at that. Look at that thing. Look at that scumbag. Look at that thing. Natalie Harp following him behind him. Where's Natalie Harp at? She's always usually by his side. Is she around? Natalie.
5:16Ben Meiselas:Oh, there you are. Human printer. There's Natalie. There she is. You know, that's who he flew back with on Marine One. Drinking a Diet Coke at 2 a.m. Not surrounded by advisors. Not surrounded by, you know, top people giving him advice as America continues to get humiliated abroad. Natalie, the human printer, maybe she can print out new fake articles for him to claim that his polling's the greatest it's ever been in history. We're in the golden age. Did you know? Did you know we're in the golden age and that everybody's rich and everybody's wealthy and the tariffs have made everybody billionaires?
5:59Ben Meiselas:You didn't get the memo? You didn't get the Doge dividend check or the tariff rebate memo that you are rich billionaire that actually, if you look in the empty refrigerator where you can't afford food right now, or the empty freezer where you can't afford microwavable food anymore because the Trump destruction of the economy, there's actually a check for billions of dollars. And guess what? Just like Donald, you don't have to, you know, that you don't even have to pay your taxes. You get tax immunity. He's given you everything. He's like Lenin. He's like Lenin, the greatest communist ever. He's given you everything.
6:39Ben Meiselas:You didn't, did you not get them? You're not living like Donald Trump and Dell and Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. I thought you were, no, no. That's just for the oligarch crew who can deduct acquisitions of sports teams and private jets and they could depreciate it as well. You don't get to do that? What about clearly you took advantage of when, remember when Besant
7:15put on his notepad in Camp David,$5 to$10 billion bailout for the yen?
7:21Ben Meiselas:Remember when he said that? You took advantage of the currency swaps, right? Come on. Did you take advantage of the currency issues there with the swaps? No, you didn't. What position did you take on the yen? Because he showed the oligarchs that he was going to put$5 to$10 billion in the yen. So if you're like me, you probably said, all right, what can I do here? We're going to sell euros and we're going to buy the yen. So should I short the euro and should I take a more constructive position on the yen? Is that what I should do? No, you didn't get that? Not for you, huh? Not for you, huh? But I'm sure they're calling you a communist because you want healthcare.
8:10Ben Meiselas:I'm sure they're calling you a socialist, communist, whatever name they want to call you because you just want maybe a better life for future generations for yourself. for your family, for your neighbors, for your kids, for your grandkids, right? Because you want education, because you want to be able to afford a home, because you want to be able to, I don't know, get prescription drugs for your illnesses so that you don't die. That makes you, he reduced it 600%. You didn't get the memo, right? Because maybe his housing plan is actually the prescription plan. Maybe it's all blended together. You say, ah, that was what the plan was.
8:55Ben Meiselas:Because the pharmaceutical companies are now paying us for their drugs. If we get enough of their drugs, maybe we can buy a home. That was his plan. Brilliant. The dealmaker in chief, everybody. Great work, Donald. So if we go to the pharmaceutical company, if we go to CVS, what do we need? What do we need? Let's just say we get a lot of medication and then they'll pay us$600 for every$1. Then we can aggregate all of that and then we can buy a home with this housing plan and a prescription drug plan. They think we're stupid. They think we are the dumbest people. And here's the thing. they never factored in that they could tear down all of these institutions, make these institutions submit.
9:53Ben Meiselas:But all they've revealed is that all those institutions were broken. And those institutions are what led to someone like Donald Trump rising. And guess what? The people always knew those institutions were betraying us all. Donald Trump exploited that and said that he was going to fix it. But Donald Trump is the vessel of the oligarchs. He is the vessel of that machine that we should rage against. He is the vessel of authoritarianism. That's what he is. And there are vessels like him across the world, but they didn't count on the fact that we the people, there's a reason why the founders emphasized those words.
10:37Ben Meiselas:We the people. It's not we the followers of the institutions. It's not we the cult. It is we the people, Democrats, independents, Republicans, people from all different, people who don't like politics. And I tend to put myself in that category. I don't like it. But I care about values and principles. and I want to see who's fighting for me with those values and principles. If those are Democrats, great. If they call themselves something else, great. I don't care. You fighting for me or you're not fighting for me? What are you doing? You fighting for me like Katie Fang's fighting for me? You fighting for me like Alison Gill's fighting for me?
11:24Ben Meiselas:Are you fighting for me the way, frankly, Bernie Sanders has out there been fighting for healthcare? I like that. And by the way, just because I adopt one thing that I like of someone doesn't mean I have to, I talk about this in the book, WTF America. This is advice that my dad gave me growing up. He said, Ben, just because you admire someone doesn't mean you have to take every one of their qualities. That's ridiculous. He would say to me, just because you like Michael Jordan, he's a good basketball player, doesn't mean you have to like the way he gambles. Just because you like Tiger Woods doesn't mean you have to like the way he drives a car and a bunch of other things.
11:59Ben Meiselas:Why do you take the good qualities and leave out the bad ones? We the people understand that we don't live in these boxes that corporate news wants to create to divide us. And the one illuminating thing from Trump is that it shed light on this system. I'm using more music examples that Trump likes to steal. You know, I said rage against the machine before, or it's the system of a down. System meant to put us down and keep us down. The people know it. I feel more confident than ever right now with inspirational jolts or bolts or whatever, like Katie Fang. It makes me feel empowered. Seeing this community respond makes me feel stronger.
12:48Ben Meiselas:And seeing Donald Trump out there flail, not because he's Donald Trump, screw that guy. I mean, if he was just some nasty, disgusting billionaire with a new wig, I'm sure he'd piss me off. But I don't have people like, oh, you hate this guy. There's a lot of orange-faced, wig-wearing billionaires out there that I don't think about, I don't talk about. I probably don't like them. I'm not going to – no, no, no. This is a person who took a position of public service and turned it into private grift at the highest level that has brought shame upon our great nation and shame to the world. You know, when I take a look at M.B.
13:41Ben Meiselas:Goluboff, Iran's parliament leader, making this post before I go live, oh, it just, it makes me as an American feel shame. That this is what our country, that this is the joke our country has become. That you have in Iran, someone who our country, without the approval of the people, invaded Iran with Netanyahu. We ran out of weapons the same way Donald Trump bankrupted his casinos. We ran out of SM2s and SM3s and SM6s on the Navy destroyers, those anti-ballistics. We ran out of PAC-3 interceptors, the Patriot interceptors. We ran out of FADs. We ran out of, on the offensive weapon posture, ATACMS, those A-T-A-C-M-S, you call them ATACMS, the HIMARS, you know, where we shoot.
14:38Ben Meiselas:We ran out of our weapons in the catastrophic war in Iran. We ran out of them. $1 trillion in a military budget last year. They want$1.5 trillion, these scumbags, from us. They want$1.5 trillion now after losing$1 trillion. They want$1.5 trillion, these scumbags, these sickos, these vile things. Why? What do you want$1.5 trillion? Oh, because you want to build a Trump class of battleships because the pathetic thing in the White House liked the way battleships looked like in the immediate era post-World War I. And he doesn't like stealth or submarines or aircraft carriers. or the way drones look.
15:38Ben Meiselas:So he wants to build freaking battleships. So at first, it was going to be$250 billion of that budget would go to a, did you even know this, a Trump class of battleships. And now it seems that that underestimated it by 50 % because Trump lies about everything and he's a lifelong fraud. So now they're saying, oh, well, it could cost 300 billion. It's going to cost like $500 billion to build stupid battleships, nuclear battleships. And you want to know what happens to a battleship in 2026? It's like having AOL dial-up modems, battleships in 2026, okay? You want to know what happens to them? An unmanned submersive.
16:27Ben Meiselas:I'm not sure I'm doing the walking. boom take your 250 billion dollars and sink them in the sea how could you observe i guess the answer is by not observing what is taking place in modern warfare and go yeah what we need is what world war one style battleships that would change the course of this war because yeah we saw all of our destroyers and aircraft carriers comfortably control the straight of Hormuz, right? They told us they control, we control the straight. CENTCOM posts that every day. Idiotic CENTCOM. Our CENTCOM has become a laughingstock. Our CENTCOM is like a troll account, CENTCOM.
17:11Ben Meiselas:And as a patriotic American, it is our duty, we the people, to call out what a pathetic entity CENTCOM has become. What the hell? Used to be something that was viewed with the utmost credibility. And by the way, don't take my word for it. The captains of tankers on the VHF radio frequencies, when CENTCOM says, all right, we control the Strait of Hormuz in the hierarchy of maritime law, where CENTCOM's aircraft carriers and the super carriers were beyond like the lines of the jungle and maritime world. You've got tankers on these VLCCs out there saying, shut the up. Shut the F. We ain't going. What are you talking about?
17:55Ben Meiselas:We ain't using that route. We're not going to get our ships blowing up. What the hell are you talking about? That's what CENTCOM has become right now. And Trump's plan is we want battleships. No, you know what you need right now? If you were going to spend the money appropriately, you don't need, you want me to give a, I'm going to give us universal healthcare right now. You want me to show you how I do it? It's very basic right now. Number one, I'm going to tax the rich a little more. And by the way, I don't have to, you know, there's a discussion, well, do you tax the unearned gains, right? Their paper gains.
18:31Ben Meiselas:There's a debate one way, there's a debate the other way, you know, about someone's net worth not being the cash value. And if you tax the amount of money that has been unrealized at this stage? Would that force them to have to sell? Those are the normal debates in normal America that we can actually have. And you could explain to me why we should or shouldn't tax the unrealized capital gains. But I think that if you just adjusted the taxes upwards, 1 % more, maybe 3%, say 3 % more, 2.5%, 3 % more for people who make over a billion dollars or say$500 million. Who needs$500 million. But okay, I'm not saying you shouldn't have it, but after$500 million in the system that you've been able to take advantage of to make$500 million, which means you probably haven't been paying all your workers all that great.
19:27Ben Meiselas:You haven't been, but whatever. I'm still$500 million, make your money, but tax it 3 % more, 2.5 % more. Think about the tax money that comes in there. Then instead of$1.5 trillion for our military budget, I've got a wild idea. Let's do$400 billion. We'll still lead the world. We'll still lead the world by far in defense spending. And let's put the$400 billion to use in modern freaking warfare, even though to be very clear, I'm someone who prefers peace. I just don't want to think that I'm like a warmonger neocon. I'm just trying to deal with complex situations right here, just so you know. I'm not for the catastrophic war.
20:11Ben Meiselas:I'm very against it. Okay. Just be very, very clear where I stand. But I want to let you know how this is not a complicated issue. Okay. So make it$400 billion. Invest in drones. Trump loves drone ports. Drones, drone ports. You even do one on the White House roof if you love your drone ports, Donald. FPV drones, drone interceptors, unmanned submersives, and purchase all of the technology that is all of this kind of unmanned stuff that is the future of warfare. It's where warfare is going. Every single THAAD is about$11 million to intercept. Does it make sense that we shoot$11 million interceptors to shoot down$250 ,000 drones?
21:07Ben Meiselas:No, that's stupid. Invest in the drone interceptors. The PAC-3 Patriot interceptors are$3.5 million,$4 million. Does it make sense that we shoot each interceptor and usually have to shoot two or three? And same thing with that. You usually need to shoot two for every one.
21:29Ben Meiselas:so think about that's why do you how do you think how do you think we ran out of the interceptors oh and by the way um you saw donald trump's post he's gonna hunt down the leakers he says he's gonna hunt him down that's what that was his post last night as he was heading in with natalie we're gonna hunt down tough guy he's gonna hunt down the leakers for telling the truth we don't need here's the thing we don't need we don't need the leakers because we know that you don't have the interceptors because if we just look at the satellite footage we can see that iran keeps striking the bases yet we don't have to actually look at centcom statements go oh centcom said they struck everyone down no we can look at the satellite footage and see our bases are getting hit and that the um and that the interceptors and the thads and the patriots aren't either aren't working or we don't have them.
22:21Ben Meiselas:Pretty basic. I knew that without those leaks. I've been reporting on it for weeks without the leaks happening because I'm showing you what the bases freaking look like. So let's reduce the budget from 1.5 trillion to 400. We've just saved 1.1 trillion dollars. I just saved you 1.1 trillion dollars. I've taxed the rich about 3 % more. I probably brought in there another trillion. I just brought$2.3 trillion in. And you know where that money can go? It can go to healthcare. And then we could have people who are healthy. And guess what, billionaire idiots? Healthy people buy shit. Their main thinking is that they want to live with their family.
23:10Ben Meiselas:They want to work product. I know you want to take away food stamps from little kids, like 100 ,000 kids who just lost food stamps in Arizona alone, 450 ,000 people in Arizona lost their food stamps. And you're bragging about that as a good thing. You're claiming the kids are fraudulent. Most people want to just live. But even if you're thinking selfishly, you billionaire idiots, healthy people live longer and buy more of your shit. So don't you want them to be healthy? Don't you want that? Or no, are you so myopic and small-minded in your thinking? Are you so Trumpian in your thinking that really it's all about who in this moment in time has more money?
23:52Ben Meiselas:Are you Bezos? Richer than Zuckerberg? Are you buying richer than you? You have the newest yacht. I need to buy seven of them. No, I'm going to buy 13 of them. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, you know, dude, just stop it. Stop it. I mean, that's why systemically, and you know, this has been a major part of the reporting here. We break down the breaking news every damn day. We're going to go through the Katie Fang victory in court and why it's such a big deal. We're going to go through, you know, other breaking news today as well. I have to, that's my job. I mean, it's like day-to-day in order to build the building, you got to chop the wood, you got to get the steel, you got to do the stuff.
24:39Ben Meiselas:So that's the day-to-day stuff. But we need to be thinking longer term about this great American experiment, this project, this international thing that we're a part of. We have to expand our conception, our perception of generational change. And we have to be united. We have to be united against these truly evil forces that want to divide us. Evil. There is evil out there. It's, you know, it's no joke. Look, there's evil trying to divide us, to harm us, to take from us, to steal from us. And we need to understand that that's not just here. It's international. And these forces want to screw us all over.
25:33Ben Meiselas:And they want to keep us divided. We talk about that in WTF America. By the way, our publishing company told us that the pre-orders are having really good momentum thanks to your pre-order. So thank you for that. And they emphasize, Ben, the most important thing are the pre-orders right now because it helps us with our promotional strategy as we get closer to the launch in October. So if you can pre-order WTF America, the book I poured my heart into with my brothers and I've dedicated to you. This is inspired by you. And it's not an election book. I want to be very clear. It is a generational way.
26:17Ben Meiselas:It's a philosophy. It talks about the condition, but it provides all of our thinking here in Midas Touch into this book, from how we started Midas Touch to what we all do together in this community to how we fight, what we recognize. And anyway, pre-order it now. Hit the QR code. There's a link in the description below as well. When we come back, I really want to dissect the ruling from Judge Sullivan and the Epstein files. Big, big stuff right there. I'll see you after this quick break. Here's something most people aren't told about their credit score. It's not just whether you pay your credit cards, it's when you pay them.
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30:06Ben Meiselas:Welcome back to Ben on Breaking News. I'm Ben Micellis. This is our breaking news. It's our breaking news. Another big update moments ago in Virginia, the plaintiffs in that case, which blocked the J6 slush fund. Remember that we remember there's two cases. There's the Florida case. There's the Virginia case. The Florida case is the case that Trump filed. It's the case where Trump sued his own treasury department and IRS for $10 million, entered into the settlement that the federal judge found collusive, and then reported the lawyers to the state bar. That's the Florida case. In Virginia, there was injunctive relief that was granted to the group of plaintiffs to block.
30:56Ben Meiselas:The case was first just focused on the J6 slush fund. And a court granted a preliminary injunction blocking the J6 anti-weaponization fund or whatever the hell they call it. Now, moments ago, there was an amended complaint filed and the plaintiff said, now we want you to block Trump's tax immunity. That Trump's tax immunity is illegal. If you give him tax immunity, then everybody needs to get tax immunity because why are we just giving him preferred tax immunity? If a federal judge in Florida has already voided the agreement as collusive, they can't enter into a deal using the federal judge's name, right?
31:42Ben Meiselas:Because the agreement has remained in place, right? The Todd Blanch order that he did was just an order to rescind for now, temporarily, it's temporary, the anti-weaponization fund. But it is not a rescission of the settlement agreement, which created the anti-weaponization fund. And it did not rescind the addendum to the settlement agreement. And the addendum gave Trump and his family tax immunity. So now that is being challenged in the Virginia court. And I suspect we'll see what we have to wait for a federal judge's ruling, but that if another, right, it's comma T, not comma D, none of this is funny.
32:31Ben Meiselas:It would be funny if it wasn't so real, but comma T with a T-Y, having respect for the decision of your colleague, right? So a federal judge in Florida ruled the settlement agreement was collusive and void. So if you are now creating an addendum to the settlement agreement, to give Trump immunity from paying taxes. That should be void too. And so that's what's now being argued in Virginia. That amendment was filed moments ago. And I think that that is a very big deal as well. Let's take a look. What else we got? Let's talk about Katie Fang. a federal judge. And I did a video on it with Katie Fang.
33:19Ben Meiselas:So watch the video I did with Katie Fang also after this. And we had Katie Fang exclusively on here first on the Midas Touch Network in order to discuss how important this order is. But so Judge Emmett Sullivan, He's a district court judge in D.C. He's the judge assigned to the case that Katie Feng filed against Todd Blanche. In a new order, Sullivan says the Department of Justice failed to provide evidence supporting key victim redactions, questions why handwritten FBI notes remain withheld, and also a timeline for when the redaction log or the privilege log is going to be produced by the Department of Justice.
34:12Ben Meiselas:Not if you will produce it. Give me the date. Shut up and give me the damn date when we get to see the documents you are withholding in a privilege log. Now, one of my theories, which I think has proven to be correct, is there was a reason Judge Sullivan did not address the privilege log and redaction issues in his initial order where he told the DOJ, turn over a certain amount of documents for in-camera review. And I think what the judge wanted to see before getting to the redaction log or privilege log issue is, with this small group of documents, are you being forthcoming with the court? I think Judge Sullivan knew the Trump regime's never forthcoming, but I think it was an initial test.
35:04Ben Meiselas:Let's focus on a small group of documents. Category one, category two. Category one, you've redacted all of these names. They appear to be the bad guys, the co-conspirators. So why did you redact the bad guys' names? You're claiming they're victims? So that's what the Trump regime is saying, that the co-conspirators have reached out to the DOJ through their lawyers, right? These rich men have hired, do you get what's happening? The rich men hired powerful lawyers, and it's possible that there are some women too, but overwhelmingly, the rich men hired powerful lawyers who would call the DOJ and say, we are asserting that our clients are victims.
35:52Ben Meiselas:So because we said the magic words, like Harry Potter, what's the magic words in Harry Potter? I don't know. I read it a long time ago. I would say it's not hocus pocus or whatever. but you said victims so therefore the DOJ will keep your name redacted it's why it was so smart that Katie Fang and her legal team very surgically said we don't believe you we think that those are the co-conspirators and the judge said show me documents that support that these individuals whose names you're redacting are truly victims and not the bad guys. And instead of doing that, Todd Blanche just said, you see, we told you that they said they were victims and therefore they're the victims.
36:42Ben Meiselas:And the judge was like, well, that's pretty circular. That's a non sequitur. That's not what I asked for. I said, show me documents that these people are the victims and not the perpetrators because they look like the perpetrators. They look like the bad guys. And Todd Blanche violated the order, the judge said. The judge said, you did not comply with what I said. Pretty narrow what the judge was, pretty basic, right? And it's in camera, meaning that we don't get to see it. So Todd Blanche can't say, well, we didn't want to tell you, judge, because we wanted to protect the victim's identity or victim's counsel told us we couldn't tell you.
37:27Ben Meiselas:No, the judge said, that's why I want to see it privately. And you're not allowing me to understand why you're claiming these people are victims. They don't seem like victims to me. So that was the first group. The second group of documents were handwritten notes regarding those FBI 302s that involve the allegations of Donald Trump assaulting underage, an underage girl. Those allegations. Trump denies it. Trump's lawyers deny it. They say it's frivolous. Just to be clear what they've said, okay? These are what the allegations in the files. And so the judge said, let me see the notes. And Todd Bland said, no.
38:14Ben Meiselas:they're substantially similar to the report. So we're not going to give them to you, judge. And the judge in the order said, the hell are you talking about? You don't get to decide. The law says, turn them the hell over. You're creating a substantially similar exception to the Epstein files, that if you, Todd Blanche, deem these documents to be substantially similar to what you've produced, you don't have to reproduce the notes? No, that's not the way it works. I want those notes now. What Federal Judge Sullivan said, you can't hide them from me. And then Judge Sullivan said, well, since you didn't comply with my order on the first part, you didn't comply with my order on the second part.
39:07Ben Meiselas:Well, tell me when I get to see all of your redaction log. I want to see it all. I don't give a shit if it's a million, three million, five million documents. You go through them one by one and you give me an Excel spreadsheet where you explain why you withheld each and every one of these documents. That's what the Epstein Transparency Act required. That's what you need to do, a privilege log. And by the way, folks, I've done privilege logs for millions of documents. Personally, what do you think first year, second year, third year associates do? It's what you do as a lawyer sometimes. And I didn't have the tools that they probably have now, which makes it easier to do these logs.
39:59You know, and by the way, I still at least had search OCR, optical character recognition, but lawyers before me didn't have computers.
40:10Ben Meiselas:They would have to go through boxes of millions of documents and produce privilege logs. It's tedious. It's terrible to do. It's one of the worst. you go to good law school, you want to do trials, you want to do depositions, but there you are, 18-hour days, freaking doing privilege logs with five other associates for four months. And by the way, that's why litigation is expensive, right? That's why they pay, you pay a lawyer$750 an hour,$1 ,000 an hour, big law firm. Right now, I've seen big law offering fees,$1 ,500 an hour, expensive. I think when I was doing it, it was like$500 an hour, $450 an hour.
40:54Ben Meiselas:Shows you the inflation. I think now it's like$1 ,500. When I was practicing, it was like$500 an hour, which was high then. Anyway, we'd go through them. Document by document, you would say Bates number, reason for it being withheld, to, from. Then you would try to explain the reason like this privilege, that privilege, executive privilege, here's what it is. And so federal judge Sullivan ordered Blanche show up August 13th. I want to see the DOJ. Be prepared to answer questions. Number one, why you violated the court order regarding claiming perpetrators are victims. Number two, when are you going to give me the notes?
41:42Ben Meiselas:When are you going to produce them publicly? We don't care if they're substantially similar. Show us the notes. And again, think about Katie Fang surgically and her lawyer surgically knowing that those documents could, oh, this is why it's such a, I appreciate it as just a litigator, the strategy behind it, right? Because they know that if you could open up these areas, it opens up Pandora's box. That's why her preliminary injunction was surgical. Because if you just went scorched earth and did everything, which may seem to be just turn over everything, well, then you couldn't narrow into the fact that there's massive, massive crime and fraud and criminality going on with Trump's DOJ.
42:30Ben Meiselas:So now you see it. Ah, got it. These are your tactics. So now the judge said, and I want to see the privilege log, which once that gets produced, that can then open up what we all suspect. You think they're ever going to turn over the privilege log? You think Blanche is ever going to turn over? No, they're never going to. They didn't. Here's what I, they never prepared a privilege log. They never did a redaction log. They did a summary. They drafted a summary where they said, we've withheld documents on the following grounds, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if you remember Pam Bondi's fake deposition, which was not under oath, which was not a deposition at all, which was not on video camera, remember the DOJ objections?
43:14Ben Meiselas:2020 objection, 2024. What? It happened in 2024, so she can't answer. What kind of objection is that? Time scope objection. It's not a real objection. What are you going to do about it? We're the DOJ. Okay. Miss Bondi, did you ever discuss with Donald Trump, objection. What's the objection? It happened in the White House objection. What do you mean? Executive privilege. Executive privilege for covering up a child sex trafficking ring? You think that's what the founders meant by executive privilege? that that is the presidency's role is to cover up victims of child sex traffickers? Yes! What are you going to do about it?
44:04Ben Meiselas:We're the DOJ. So if they were doing that there, what do you think they've done with the others? That's why we know there are tens of millions of files that they're not turning over. In addition to the documents that we know are about four to million documents, not pages. That could be 25 million pages. That also doesn't include the money laundering investigations and all these other criminal investigations into Epstein, which are not even part of those. Folks, we could be talking about 30, 50 million more pages of documents. And remember that one of the reasons that Trump and Epstein had their falling out was actually because of a financial transaction where Donald Trump acquired a property in West Palm Beach from under Epstein when Epstein thought that Trump would help him purchase this property at an auction by one of their billionaire Palm Beach friends.
45:04Ben Meiselas:And then Trump bought it. And then a few years later, Trump sold it for twice the value to a Russian oligarch who never moved into it, which Epstein then made lots of accusations against Donald Trump for the shadiness of the money from the oligarch. And Epstein was apparently out there telling anybody who would listen that Trump engaged in that conduct. And then it's believed that that's why Trump may have given, may have, and this is what Maggie Mike Johnson may have been alluding to, a potentially information to the police based on what he knew from Epstein. And that's why Maga Mike said that Trump may have been an informant.
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50:15Ben Meiselas:Welcome back. You all see Donald Trump's new wig or whatever he appears to. You saw that yesterday? Pretty bizarre looking, huh? I mean, I'm not going to.
50:29I saw this one going viral.
50:31Ben Meiselas:That's not actually the wig. But it does look a lot like that. I know the producer is going to throw that one up. But that was a good one. hey jeremy just show um show him from the first stack in one of those interviews talking about iran with that you know with the interview afterwards just just just just toss any of them up it's fine you can just put any one of them all of the things including men and women sports transgender surgery for everyone uh they will overturn it if they get in we can't let that happen yeah they do do the other one by it too that's great just show the other one with iran I think it's right by that one also, Jeremy.
51:11Seems to be working out quite well. What makes you think this will be different? Because they tend to never... It may be and may not be. I think that the threat of this... I mean, this was more than a threat. We were ready to go. And, you know, in life, they know when you're ready to go and when you're just bluffing. No, we were ready to go. And we are ready to go. We have to do that.
51:32Ben Meiselas:Pull up the MB Goluboff post if we've got it. and it's, yeah, yeah. This is the parliament leader of Iran. Did I say I was going to show this one before, and then I went on my rant and then forgot to show it? Did I do one of those? At any event, yeah. The British is like, yeah, you did say that you were going to. I knew I was going to show. So, you know, the reality is I don't use – just so you all know, like, the process, if you were ever wondering what the process is, I don't use any scripts ever. I never really planned. I basically storyboard out the ideas and I send myself a text of different posts and videos in screenshot form.
52:29Ben Meiselas:and sometimes it may be helpful to have a script. So I stay on track. But okay, MB Gala Buff. You saw Donald Trump with that appeared to be a wig. I mean, the whole thing was absurd though too, right? I mean, that actually kind of looks like what it was to be honest with you. And I want to make sure I give credit to the guy who came up with that graphic or the person. I think they're called MAGA Devil Dog. I don't know if MAGA Devil Dog is a Trump supporter or not a Trump supporter. Some of the stuff looked like it was supportive of Trump. I don't know. It's quite illuminating that that's actually what Donald Trump looks like, though.
53:11Ben Meiselas:So I want to give credit for the person who – it appears to be AI. It may be a real photograph. I can't tell if that's actually a real photo or AI. I'm kidding. MB Galimboff. MB Galimboff. He writes, quote, massive attack coming. Wait, never mind. They want to negotiate. That's theater diplomacy on loop. Using bullying plus broken promises plus fake news as leveraged is a failed strategy. Acknowledge the facts and fulfill your commitments. We don't need more theater. Folks, that's coming from Iran's parliament leader and lead negotiator M.B. Goluboff. This whole catastrophic and unlawful war by Trump and Netanyahu has, I mean, it's really been illuminating to me.
54:12Ben Meiselas:You know, and it's really kind of forced me, honestly. and I think this is part of being a reporter. I think this is part of being someone who craves knowledge and craves the truth to really start to think about a lot of things that you weren't thinking through before even, which is, you know, you go back and I started studying the history of the Persian Gulf, you know, and the United States interference and the U.S. shooting down a commercial flight in the late 80s and never taking accountability for it, just slaughtering more people in the Strait of Hormuz in this commercial flight. And never, never apologizing, never taking accountability, never accepting responsibility.
55:07We awarded the commander like a medal of valor.
55:12Ben Meiselas:And so one of the things I talk about in WTF America is, look, Trump is obviously the most egregious, most obviously transparently disgusting vile manifestation of this. I mean, I showed you, you know, the last clip, I mean, he's like wearing this bizarre wig and the YMCA is playing and he's lying about negotiations. And it's incredibly embarrassing. But to simply say it's a Trump thing, I think really misses some of the broader points. It misses the broader points internationally. And it misses the broader points historically. Now, Trump's out there bull in a china shop, wrecking ball, word vomiting.
56:07But look back at George W.
56:12Ben Meiselas:Bush. Look back at Reagan. Look back at a lot of these decisions and perhaps others dealt with it more elegantly or in ways that weren't so transparently ridiculous and dangerous. and didn't gloat about the war crimes. But that didn't mean they weren't taking place. They were. And by the way, that doesn't mean that America is not or wasn't a special place or that we can't be a special place. We can hold complex thoughts. That's kind of one of the most important points in life, in NWTF America. We can look back at these things. and we could condemn them. That doesn't make us weak. It doesn't make us, it doesn't make it impossible for us to then strive for better things and to make improvements.
57:24Ben Meiselas:Quite the contrary. I think it's helpful that we acknowledge these things. And I think where perhaps even somebody like me, what, you know, and I consider myself, I hopefully consider myself someone who's well-read and learned and I cared about information. But there's so much that I felt that even the propaganda and lies, I didn't fully appreciate some of this stuff, some of this history. And that's, I think, part of growth. I think that's a good thing. I think that's – we need to be open. as part of making these connections, being better people. But when I see it laid so bare and I see Trump, he's at the Red Rock Casino and Spa in Las Vegas, making up fake negotiations with Iran after we ran out of our weapons.
58:31Ben Meiselas:and I see the Iranian parliament leader in a kind of mocking yet elevated tone saying enough with the theater honor your commitments and I see these images side by side I have to reflect on, seriously, like WTA, where are we? Where are we as a country?
59:07Ben Meiselas:And we are in a bad place. But I feel, as we look at the recent elections, as we look at the type of movements that are gaining strength here in the United States and internationally. When you draw inspiration from Canada going elbows up, Greenland standing up, when you see the E. Gene Carrolls and Abrego and David Hearn succeeding in court, by the way, the D.C. court just officially granted the dismissal in the David Hearn case. I know there was a motion to dismiss it, but the court now has ordered the dismissal. When you see that, when you see Trump being scared by BBC, when you see Trump choking as BBC fights back and says, all right, granted you had a terrible Trump appointed judge who just ruled.
1:00:13Ben Meiselas:Good point, Donald. You said that you were, you want to change your complaint, little baby Donald? You don't want to say that your business was injured for$10 billion, baby Donald? You want to say your reputation was? Okay, we understand, baby Donald. You're scared of BBC? Okay. Okay. we'll give you another shot there baby Donald okay we'll give you a participation trophy little baby Donald you want to amend your complaint little baby the institutions are broken and it's those broken institutions that led to a Trump in the media, in the courts, corporations law firms, right? And Trump and the people who led those institutions, they thought that if they consolidated under the authoritarian, that we, the people, would follow.
1:01:26Ben Meiselas:They thought we gave a shit about their institutions, that their institutions were what we, that we had to watch CBS or Fox or ABC or wherever, that we had to, we had no choice but to go to these firms. We had no choice but to buy these products. We had no choice. They control it. They didn't realize that we all recognize that we hold the power. Those institutions betrayed us. So what are we the people doing right now? Rebuilding, creating new institutions that could be powered by the people, not by the oligarchs. We don't want the data centers in our backyard. We don't want irresponsible, reckless this handling of AI that replaces workers.
1:02:32We don't want that. We don't want this wealth gap
1:02:40Ben Meiselas:where all of the money is hoarded by the chosen class of MAGA sycophants. We don't like that. We don't want that. We know that's not fair. They're scared. Why do you think they're saying anything that's not that is communism, is socialism? Look, when Donald Trump says that he thinks that the opposition to the Epstein class, which they now label communism, right? The opposition to the Epstein class, they call communism because they've been exposed as the Epstein class. You get that, right? They weaponized Epstein to go after their enemies. That's how they used to do it. They created a whole QAnon thing to use that to go after their enemies.
1:03:36But when they were revealed as the Epstein class, the cabal, when that was exposed, now it's the cabal of communists.
1:03:45Ben Meiselas:And the Epstein class is saying that they're going to save the world from the cabal of communists. And Trump says that all these other people out there who he labels communists because they oppose the Epstein class, not because they're actually communists. The most communist people are Trump and his regime. Look how they behave. They behave more like Stalin than anybody. Senator Bernie Sanders agreed with me when I was saying that. Did you see my interview with Senator Bernie Sanders? but now they're saying it's the that that if you disagree with the regime you're more dangerous than al-qaeda than the taliban than isis that's what trump said than the nazis and anybody in world war one that's what he says that's what that's aligned in his speech I gotta say it they're more dangerous than I mean it I mean it they're more dangerous than the Nazis than the world war one and ISIS look at the stupid wig look at my stupid hands people are like yo enough enough of this you've had enough shouldn't have been here in the first enough of this shut up and people are fighting back.
1:05:13Ben Meiselas:People are fighting back. You're fighting back. That's what makes this moment actually, that's why they're actually terrified. Get your copy of WTF America, pre-order it now. The pre-orders are really important. Again, the publisher tells me, Ben, focus on the pre-orders. Focus on the pre-orders. That's what they tell me. I'm not surprised I'm supposed to say that. Focus on the pre-orders. because then we can figure out how we promote the book and where we can advertise and all those things. But they said there's a lot of momentum on the pre-orders. But if you can, put in the comments how many copies you've gotten.
1:05:54Ben Meiselas:If you've pre-ordered it, put WTF in the comments or in the chat. All right, I've got the show. Make sure you all subscribe to Katie Fang's YouTube channel. That channel needs to hit a million subscribers, right? Tell people to subscribe to her channel. Subscribe to her audio podcast as well, the Katie Fang Audio Podcast. Sidebar with Katie Fang. I'll see you with my brothers tonight, 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific. It's a different show than this show. So if you're like, Ben, we've seen enough of you. We don't need to see you again. It's a different show. Different clips, different things, not the same show.
1:06:36Ben Meiselas:That'd be said, you don't want to see me again with my brothers? Come on. we want to see you. But it's going to be a good show with the brothers, in all honesty. 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific. A lot more breaking news then as well. We appreciate you. We're grateful for you. Keep checking in as we update you with breaking news throughout the day. Seriously, it's really an honor to be in this with you. Shout out Midas Mighty. I'll see you later. Want to stay plugged in? Become a subscriber to our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. You'll get daily recaps from Ron Filipkowski, ad-free episodes of our podcast, and more exclusive content only available at MidasPlus.com.
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