In short
The episode discusses the assassination of Ecuadorian prosecutor Alexandra Bravo, who investigated alleged U.S. Navy boat strikes and torture/kidnapping of survivors returning to Ecuador under “Operation Southern Spear,” and broader claims about dictatorship, legal breakdown, and international law.
Guest backgrounds
Crystal Ball (host) covers the story; Harry Lippman is a legal/political commentator from Talking Feds (YouTube/Substack/podcast) and former DOJ attorney.
Key claims
Bravo was killed after warning not to investigate; survivors allege kidnapping and torture by Ecuador’s military; the Ecuador executive is led by Daniel Noboa; U.S. strikes lack clear due process/drug proof and violate international law; the episode links the prosecutor’s murder to the broader U.S.-Ecuador operations and argues Trump-era immunity doctrine could enable such actions.
Notable examples
36 survivor accounts; five 9mm shell casings found; Bravo’s injured driver and missing police protection; claim of 221 deaths from the boat strikes; Noboa’s “communists” dehumanizing rhetoric parallels Trump’s.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAssassination of Prosecutor in Ecuador
2:59 to 6:00
Discuss the assassination of a prosecutor investigating war crimes related to Trump.
“boat strikes and torture allegations in Ecuador in connection with the Trump war crimes blowing up those boats off the coast of Venezuela.”
The Language of Tyranny
6:00 to 9:47
Explore the dehumanizing language used by Trump and its implications.
“Anybody who doesn't agree with Trump, he's using the language of Nobola.”
Implications of U.S. Actions in South America
9:47 to 14:00
Examine the consequences of U.S. military actions and their legality.
“That's only something that can happen where the, you know, the lawless control the streets.”
Exploring the Implications of Political Assassinations
14:00 to 18:25
Discussion on the implications of political actions and assassinations related to Trump.
“And I'm not even deep into Trump 2.0 ready to say that we're behind the assassination of the prosecutor.”
Book Announcement and Call to Action
19:16 to 19:44
Announcement of a new book titled 'WTF America' and encouragement to pre-order.
“That's why there's Jerry, your proactive insurance assistant.”
Transcript
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2:59Ben Meiselas:The prosecutor investigating U.S. boat strikes and torture allegations in Ecuador in connection with the Trump war crimes blowing up those boats off the coast of Venezuela. The prosecutor was assassinated in a courageous scoop by Camilla Lords Galarza. She writes about how she uncovered NASA images and videos of the U.S. Coast Guard corroborating testimony of victims. And then the prosecutors working on the case and the main prosecutor was shot and killed in broad daylight. Crystal Ball talks about this deeply disturbing story about how these survivors of the U.S. boat strikes, Operation Southern Spear, as Trump and Hegseth and Southern Command are calling it, how these survivors were kidnapped when they returned to Ecuador.
3:53Ben Meiselas:They were tortured for days by the military. The prosecutor investigating their claims was just assassinated after the prosecutor's boss, who effectively was like the attorney general, was telling the prosecutor, stay away. Just say it was a random disappearance. Don't dig any further. And this prosecutor, her name was Alexandra Bravo. She continued to investigate the allegations by 36 survivors who say that after they survived U.S. strikes, they got back to Ecuador. They say they were tortured, that they were kidnapped. And she was trying to get to the bottom of it and killed over there. Upon arriving at the crime scene, officers say they found five nine millimeter shell casings and Bravo's injured driver, but no sign of a police detail that was supposed to be assigned to protect her.
4:52Ben Meiselas:The police directorate, which operates entirely under the executive branch, launched a probe to determine was there an internal security breach, according to this article. Now, who sits at the top of that government? None other than a guy named Daniel Noboa. Who's Noboa? He's from Miami. He's a Miami-born billionaire who Trump put in Ecuador. Remember, we covered the Noboa election over there. Donald Trump is doing grounding. A lot of people don't talk about this, but there are currently active ground invasion and wars, the Trump regime and Noboa. There are lots of people who raise allegations about Noboa, his family in the area, and that Noboa could be using these troops to just further cement his dictatorship and his control in Ecuador, saying they're going after narco traffickers, but really just going after people who they believe are enemies in the way that Donald Trump has labeled anybody who disagrees with him now.
5:59Ben Meiselas:Think about the language. Very similar. Anybody who doesn't agree with Trump, he's using the language of Nobola. He's using the language of his other dictators that he puts in Western Hemisphere. You're communist. He says it's the biggest threat, bigger than the Nazis, right? What's Trump's speech that he gives lately? The communists are here. This is more dangerous than Hitler, more dangerous than 9-11. They're amongst us. And that's how he refers to people who just don't agree with him politically and people who want access to health care and affordable housing. He says, worse than the hijackers on 9-11 and Adolf Hitler.
6:36Ben Meiselas:And that's the dehumanizing language that's used to kill whole classes of people. Fernando Bastias, a renowned human rights attorney with a Geneva-based world organization, says, I can't make any assertion yet regarding this being a political assassination. But evidently, when a prosecutor is killed because of the investigation they're conducting, that's something we've learned from our experience in Ecuador. And the Operation Southern Spear, it's already killed. 221 people have been killed when the Trump regime kills these fishing boats. A lot of the data that comes out, just so you know, is that the criteria for attacking the boats, there's not a criteria that the boats be proven to actually have drugs on them at all.
7:34Ben Meiselas:Just think about that. That's not a criteria. The criteria is very murky. There's no due process, and the Trump regime just kills people. Just kills one after another. You will also recall that the former commander of Southcom Trump resigned, did not want any part of this, and the Trump regime put in a new person at Southern Command. I want to bring, and had to drop sight cover this, and the reporter, Camilla Lawrence-Galarza. Again, it's a very courageous scoop, of course, obviously, where journalists, just like prosecutors, are targeted for doing stories like this. Let's bring in Harry Lippman from the Talking Feds YouTube channel, Talking Feds Substack, and Talking Fence podcast.
8:21Ben Meiselas:Harry, I think it is important to give the same disclaimer that, you know, the human rights lawyer who watches what happens there, like, you know, at this point, what we do know is the prosecutors on these cases get killed. Definitively, when you're run by a dictatorship that then does the investigations, I put that in quotes, it's often murky at best to find out what actually happened. But I think this is a broader conversation that we should be having. I think we should not ignore what's happening in Operation Southern Spear, which to me is just something that we'll be talking about a lot in future generations as one of the darkest things that along with USAID and killing all of these people so cruelly, so cruelly.
9:11Ben Meiselas:But, O 'Haree, also, So this is what Trump wants. This is Trump's view, in my view, of the legal system, of what unfavored prosecutors have happened to them and what favored people get. What do you make of all of this, Harry? Yeah, it makes the head spin, Ben, doesn't it? But, you know, starting with Trump, these are the kinds of tyrants who run their countries where anyone looking into anything government does winds up getting shot again in broad daylight. That's only something that can happen where the, you know, the lawless control the streets. And that's the kind of thing that, you know, it seems like it's in the movies.
10:04And also a key difference between, you know, a free society and not. We've seen all these struggles to the south of us mainly, Mexico, et cetera, when a prosecutor – it's happened once here and it was a total crisis. But if a prosecutor gets killed based on the cases she or he is working, you have a system in breakdown. Look, the stuff you're talking about, the murders in broad daylight and all the apparent corruption and gun running, et cetera. Let's just say without any further proof, OK, that's all Ecuador and stuff. But it really doesn't take too much surmise or flights of fancy to think that there's some connection to what's going on in our attacks that are still happening off the coast.
11:03It's a really important theme. We forget there's a scandal. It comes to light. There's a little bit of hubbub or somebody in Congress says something or somebody's on cable TV. Then we move on. I mean, it's almost a kind of technique or strategy. We move on to the next scandal. And then there's a reprisal prosecution or then there's, you know, a elective war. Those the other things, illegal as they may be, continue. And yeah, every time I've gone back and checked and I've done it a few times, It remains the case that we are doing these absolutely illegal under international law murders of people in boats off the coast of South America.
11:55You may not, we proffered this, at the time when it became a big thing, this extremely weak justification that, remember, with the second strike and the innocent people who were killed, but the overall justification for these sorties is that these people are literally, that's what it has to be under international law, making war on us. They seek to take the drugs and we don't know where they're going, but the argument is and they can just, if getaway, come to the United States and for some reason never tested by a court and I think doesn't hold water at all. That is tantamount, literally, because otherwise you couldn't try to make this legal under international law.
12:46That is tantamount to an act of war against the country, the same thing as we're doing in Iran. It's now, is it the narco-terrorists who constitute a kind of nation by any other name? That doesn't seem too good. Is it Ecuador itself? but whatever these these things that are going on and we're just blowing people out of the water and certainly there's reason to think yeah these guys well even even some of them aren't don't don't seem to be involved with drugs but the ones that are yep they're running drugs they are not making war on the united states they are not whatever castro in 1961 and and the like they're They're trying to eke out a living and it involves narcotics.
13:36That's just not a justification for the United States of America to go in and blow them up. And again, there is a there's all this, including assassinations in broad daylight on the one hand and this ongoing American effort on the other. I spent a lot of time in the Department of Justice trying to talk people down off the ladder of conspiracy theories. And I'm not even deep into Trump 2.0 ready to say that we're behind the assassination of the prosecutor. But I just think it's clear that there's some connection here. There's some overlap with the players. There's some, you know, kind of knowledge on our part of what's going on.
14:27And that itself is a sort of corruption. Now you can hear international folks say, oh, that's the way it goes. And you guys are naive, et cetera. But it does seem to me just like with the operations themselves. Is this now what the government of the United States of America, what sandbox they now play in down in South America? What does that mean for our standing in the world and that part of the world, et cetera? Not questions you would have quickly jumped to a few years ago or 10 years ago. But man, oh, man, just look at Venezuela or how he has thrown around his weight. 50 % tariffs on Canada two days ago.
15:14You know, it is not, I think the niceties of international law don't deter the administration at all. And again, I want to end where, you know, where I sort of started, which is to say, with even just, if you posit it's isolated, one has nothing to do with the other, we have to affirm again, again, this is a legal acts of order, you're not permitted to just boom assassinate people off the coast uh who are you know basically doing what in the united states you would arrest them etc if this were right there you could just go and you know shoot uh drug dealers in cold blood we've taken liberties there for political reasons or personal reasons of donald trump that are just not consistent with the law you know uh hypothetical
16:07Ben Meiselas:that was given during the absolute immunity oral argument. Oh, right. Yeah. Were these types of hypotheticals. Donald Trump orders these types of murders. Has CL Team 6 do certain things? Has the CIA do all of this? It's uncovered that he's doing these things. Do you get absolute immunity? Donald Trump's lawyer? Absolutely. He gets absolute immunity for sure. Then the liberal justices said, well, isn't that concerning? To which the far right wing justices, for which there's six of them said, no, he's never going to do any of that. We're worried that you're going to chill his decision making on routine matters.
16:47Ben Meiselas:He's never going to do that. To which the liberal justices said, you got to be kidding me. You don't think of course he's going to do that. Why do you think his lawyer is saying he's going to do that? That's what his lawyer is putting in the freaking paperwork. Then he's going to do it. No, we don't want to chill what he's going to do. okay then you grant him absolute immunity harry i mean it's all perfectly foreseeable history can seem so complex but at the end of the day you can boil down it sometimes to a true or false multiple choice question on a history exam about how a democracy or a justice system was ultimately destroyed huh in any event yeah and it looks really different from one side and the other remember that great hypothetical was first offered in the court of appeals judge pan as the kind of killer argument that obviously defeated immunity.
17:36And now it goes up to the Supreme Court, and it's the actual crazy notion that shows how far out there the immunity decision is. We've done this big switcheroo and jujitsu move on it between the Supreme Court and Donald Trump. So the inconceivable has, in many different instances, quickly become conceivable and then probable during Trump 2.0 in particular.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas and Talking Feds host Harry Litman report on the killing of top prosecutor in Ecuador who was investigating Trump’s war crimes.
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