Top Trump Official Falls Apart Under Cross-Exam on War!!

26 Mar 2026 · 35 min · 11 chapters

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The episode covers a U.S. congressional hearing where Thomas DiNano, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, faced cross-examination on Trump-era arms control and war-related arms policy. Guests are not individual interviewees; the “guests” are the lawmakers shown in clips: Rep. Castro, Rep. Keating, Sen. Van Hollen, Sen. Rosen, Sen. Shaheen, Sen. McCormick, and Reps. Meek and Meek’s colleague (plus references to Strategic Command General Highton and NNSA testimony).

Key claims

DiNano refused to answer whether Israel has nuclear weapons, wouldn’t confirm whether Vladimir Putin is a war criminal, and dodged questions about reviewing compliance for a transfer of 20,000 bombs to Netanyahu’s government. He also defended potential nuclear testing, arguing no decision yet and claiming stockpile certification can be done without explosive testing. Notable examples include New START expiration (Feb 2026), Russia/China testing “at yield,” and discussion of Russian space weapons and satellite nuclear threats.

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Trump Official Grilled on Arms Control

2:12 to 3:05

Details on Thomas DeNano's testimony and its implications.

“The individual testifying is named Thomas DeNano, and he holds the title Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.”

Cross-Examination by Rep. Castro

3:05 to 3:59

Watch Congress Member Castro question DeNano on Israel's nuclear capabilities.

“He did not handle it well when he was asked some pretty basic questions under oath.”

Keating's Grilling on Putin

3:59 to 6:17

Congress Member Keating examines DeNano on Trump's stance regarding Putin.

“What is Israel's nuclear capability in terms of weapons?”

Senate Hearing Insights

6:17 to 8:21

Analysis of Senator Van Hollen's questioning during the Senate hearing.

“You're also cutting the support we have for the general prosecuting Ukraine that's prosecuting war crimes.”

Nuclear Testing Concerns

8:21 to 14:00

Discussion on the implications of potential nuclear testing under Trump.

“Shifting gears for a moment from the House of Representatives to the United States Senate, let me show you Democratic Senator Van Hollen's cross-examination of Undersecretary of State De Nanno.”

Nuclear Testing and International Responses

14:00 to 18:40

Discussion on the implications of potential nuclear testing by the U.S. and reactions from global powers.

“Trump were to order a nuclear test, how do you expect Russia or China to respond?”

New START Treaty and U.S. Arms Control

19:55 to 22:28

Exploration of the New START treaty's expiration and its impact on U.S. nuclear policy and international relations.

“So the treaty had a built-in 10-year duration with one possible five-year extension.”

U.S. Support for European Allies

22:29 to 28:01

Senator Shaheen's inquiry into U.S. military support for European allies and the implications of arms transfer strategies.

“We really pushed our European allies to step up on their own defense and on Ukraine, and they have.”

Understanding Nuclear Deterrence and Arms Control

28:01 to 29:59

Learn about the importance of nuclear deterrence and the role of arms control agreements.

“Much of it dates back to the Manhattan Project and the early days of the Cold War, and it needs to be replaced or refurbished.”

The Significance of New START Treaty Inspections

30:00 to 32:32

Discover how the New START treaty enhances understanding of Russian nuclear capabilities through inspections.

“In that piece, they cautioned against seeking a silver bullet that solves all problems.”
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Importance of Covering Critical Hearings

32:32 to 32:44

Hear why it's crucial to cover hearings on nuclear topics that receive little media attention.

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2:28The individual testifying is named Thomas DeNano, and he holds the title Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. He's the guy who deals with our international arms trade deals, whether that's with Israel or whether that's with other nations in the Middle East or with NATO or wherever. And he's also the individual who's supposed to deal with like nuclear arms control treaties, New Start, which expired last February. And this guy got grilled under cross-examination. He did not handle it well when he was asked some pretty basic questions under oath. For example, first, in the House of Representatives, Congress Member Castro cross-examined this guy, De Nano, about whether or not Israel has been hiding nuclear weapons.

3:31As Congress Member Castro says, we are four weeks into war where both sides have targeted each other's nuclear facilities. We risk nuclear disaster. Yet the main Trump official on arms control refused to answer my question on Israel's nuclear capabilities and told me to go and ask the Israeli government. Watch this great cross-examination by Democratic Congress member Castro. Let's play it. What is Israel's nuclear capability in terms of weapons? I can't comment on that specific question. I'd have to refer you to the Israelis on that. Does Israel have nuclear weapons? I'm not prepared to comment on that.

4:17You're not prepared to comment on it? It's a very basic question. We are with an ally conducting a war against Iran. This war continues to escalate. Tell us something. As Congress, as the oversight body, what is Israel's nuclear capability in terms of weapons? I can't comment on that specific question. I'd have to refer you to the Israelis on that.

4:46Does that mean you don't know? I can't comment on that, sir. You're the main person in charge of knowing this and understanding it. Will you not give us an answer? I don't understand why this issue is so taboo when it's a basic question and we're in a war alongside Israel against Iran, we're dealing with the potential for nuclear fallout, and you won't answer this basic question. Well, again, it would be outside of my purview as the arms control and arm proliferation undersecretary to discuss that specific question. Sir, that is a dereliction of duty. Next, I want to show you the cross-examination by Democratic Congress member Keating.

5:35And he grills De Nanno about the Trump regime's support of Putin, whether or not they view Putin as a war criminal. Hint, hint, De Nanno basically refuses to answer the question. And he's like all over the place with his answer. And this Congress members like, why would you be cutting support for like Ukraine right now and bolstering support for Russia? Like, what are you doing right now? I want you to watch as De Nano, who exposes himself yet again, and this whole Trump regime as Putin puppets right here, watch him get crushed under cross-examination. Let's play this clip. You're also cutting the support we have for the general prosecuting Ukraine that's prosecuting war crimes.

6:27Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal, sir? Sir, again, that's well outside of my purview as the T undersecretary. No, no. How about as an American? No, as an American person and a citizen. Yes, sir. And someone cares. Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal? I understand that. I'm both. No, yes or no. No, sir. I'm not going to answer yes or no. No, sir. I'm not going to answer yes or no. That's quite an answer. Yes. That's yes. Oh, yes. Now it's yes or no. Yes. You can't even ask a simple question like that. We have to know because we have the question under your agency, sir, or the support for the prosecutor general.

7:04And you know what that support has been doing? It's been preserving evidence and training. So these war crimes, including sexual assault of young girls in front of their parents and grandparents by Russian soldiers, which is tens of thousands of young people being taken from their families maybe never to come back and put in Russian film definite war crimes we are supporting that and you're cutting that support in the guise of reorganizing for the prosecutor to preserve the evidence and to move forward on these war crimes these horrific heinous war crimes that Russia is committing so what I want to ask you, sir, this is under your purview.

7:45You should be doing more. Oh, sir, it's not. Yes, it is, by the way. Funding the prosecutor general's office is, by the way, I know everything's new to you. No, no, it's not actually new to me, right? You have funds to help train and move forward with the prosecution and help the prosecutor general in Ukraine. If there is a specific program that you feel or that you know that funded a legal advisor in the office. I don't know about any specific. Then you should know about it. With all due respect, I've got eight seconds. Do your homework. Come back. Representative Barr is recognized. I yield back.

8:23Shifting gears for a moment from the House of Representatives to the United States Senate, let me show you Democratic Senator Van Hollen's cross-examination of Undersecretary of State De Nanno. Watch De Nanno squirm, as Aaron Ruper puts it, in response to a series of questions about his involvement in the transfer of U.S. bombs to the Netanyahu government. Let's play this clip. the administration's emergency declaration, if there's ever a circumstance that's an emergency, this would be it. Mr. Denaire, this is non-responsive. I didn't ask you whether it was an emergency. I asked you whether you complied with that policy.

9:12If you let me finish, I'm happy to answer your question, sir. um that being said uh uh i sat before the committee uh during my confirmation process and committed to working with the committee to follow the law um the the law does allow for the emergency exemption that's why we used it i'm not asking you about i understand that but i think the context is important sir i know because i submitted a question for the record and you said you would comply with cat policy so now i'm asking you whether you were involved in reviewing the transfer of 20 ,000 bombs to the Netanyahu government with respect to compliance with the CAT policy?

9:52Any foreign military sale that we do would fall underneath the conventional arms transfer. Did you personally review that assessment?

10:06Again, Senator, the emergency declaration. No, not the emergency declaration. Did you review the assessment regarding whether or not that transfer of 20 ,000 bombs complied with the CAT policy? Everything that we do complies with the law. Did you personally or were you personally involved in that review? I was involved with the with the transfer and anything that we would do would would be consistent with our CAT policy, which is compliant with the law. So I'm going to take it as a no that you did not personally review whether or not that transfer complied with CAT policy. I just did you personally review that?

10:47You can you can take it any way you want. Well, did you? I've already told you I was involved with the policy. I oversee the Political Military Bureau. OK. Did you personally review? I review hundreds of arms sales. I signed hundreds of them. The emergency declaration, again, it was consistent with the law. and most importantly i think it's important for the committee that that we lay out we're not trying to establish a new norm uh that will continue to uh address on a case-by-case basis look at emergencies if they exist just like the biden administration did in 2023 i'll finish the same use the same authority about i'm not sorry let me finish my comment i think i'm not asking you about i know but i mean i'm trying to address your concern no you're actually yes sir i am Were you are you concerned that Israeli Defense Minister Katz said with respect to Lebanon that they were going to use the quote Rafa model in Gaza?

11:41Does that concern you? I have not. I'm not familiar with that comment. Right. It's a matter of public record. Could you take a look at it and get back? I would happily let me know if that concerns you. Yes, sir. Now, this was a particularly shocking, dystopian, scary moment during the Senate hearing where they were grilling DiNano. You have Democratic Senator Rosen cross-examining DeNano on Donald Trump's desire to start back up nuclear testing in the United States. These big nuclear craters, whether it's in Nevada or New Mexico or Idaho or throughout the country, that Trump wants to drop bombs or do underground nuclear testing in the United States.

12:29How utterly deranged. But I want you to watch because this guy DeNano doesn't deny that we're going to be doing nuclear tests in the United States. Think about the environmental impact on that. Think about all of the efforts that we've been through as a country to try to stop that. Here, play this clip. Thank you, Chairman Risch, Ranking Member Shaheen, for today's hearing, and thank you, Mr. DiNano, for joining us today. I want to go and talk about Nevada a little bit, because the Nevada National Security Site, the NNSS, was ground zero for the vast majority of the United States' explosive nuclear testing from 1951 to 1992, during which there were 100 atmospheric tests and 828 underground tests conducted.

13:21Many Nevadans and downwind communities suffered from these exposures. They're still waiting for justice and compensation. Today, the NNSS plays a critical role in certifying the reliability, safety, and effectiveness of our nuclear stockpile, but without, without, I'm going to emphasize that, I could say it a hundred times, without the need for explosive testing. So you can imagine my surprise when President Trump and others, such as Assistant Secretary Yaw, suggested that the U.S. should resume explosive nuclear testing. So, Mr. DiNano, what is the State Department's position on explosive nuclear testing?

13:59And if President Trump were to order a nuclear test, how do you expect Russia or China to respond? What about other countries with nuclear weapons? And how would we manage the inevitable damage that this is going to cause to your efforts to pursue multilateral arms control and risk reduction measures.

14:22Sorry. Thank you, Senator. Let me start by saying the president has laid out a view that I elaborated on and Assistant Secretary Yaw elaborated upon where the president instructed the War Department and the Energy department to test on an equal basis to that with our adversaries. The backdrop of that is important to understand that both the Russians and the Chinese are testing at yield. And I can tell you that in our U1A tunnel and the radiographic things that we have there and the new kinds of technology we have, we have adequately, without explosive testing, ensured the capabilities of our nuclear stockpile.

15:20So, thank you, Senator. Look, a couple points to make. Number one, we're still assessing. We've made no decision specifically on how or what any testing program would look like. So that's pretty decisional. If the administration comes to that decision, I'm sure we'd happy to come back and talk to you. You better come back and talk to me because the people of Nevada and the people of Utah and the people all around you think what happens in Nevada with an explosive test stays in Nevada? Yes, ma 'am. Because it sure doesn't. I think you're referring to any potential atmospheric testing. I'm just telling you, they cratered the ground in Nevada.

16:03And let me tell you, there's groundwater. It doesn't go away. Let me answer your concern if I could. I have not been in any discussions that have where atmospheric, open atmospheric testing has been under consideration. The testing, any testing is under consideration. Again, it is currently pre-decisional, but the president has laid out. And I think it's important to understand that the United States. It's important to understand that he better come talk to us in Nevada if he's planning to do that. Yes, ma 'am. Because the people of Nevada have a stake in that. The people of Utah have a stake in that.

16:43And I will look, everybody, Idaho, right above us, Texas, the wind, everything goes around this country. Trust me. I understand that, ma 'am, and I appreciate your concern. I'll move on to something else. Hold on. I want to address that. I think it's important. You're talking about the wind. There is no discussion that I've been a part of that any atmospheric testing would take place. Again, the Chinese and Russian programs are underground. They are at yields that I can't talk too much about in this open hearing. But for example, the Chinese underground testing program would be in the hundreds of tons.

17:28No discussions, again, I've been part of, would in any way talk about winds or downrange. That is, I've heard nothing to that effect. And - Well, you would understand my - Of course I would. My concern - Yes, ma 'am. About the need for a visual - Of course. Besides a ground cratering in. And we have made millions of billions of dollars of investments in radiographic and other technology using math, using physics, using science to be sure that we ensure the integrity of our nuclear arsenal. We have been very specific in that. And I'm glad to take you down there if you haven't been to see what they're doing and how they're doing it before you enter into more of these discussions.

18:11Yes, ma 'am. I'd happily go there. I know what they do there. And again, I think it's extremely important to understand that the Russian and Chinese systems, the Russians and Chinese are testing at yield. That creates an intolerable disadvantage for the United States by not testing. And again, I've heard no discussion of any sort of atmospheric testing whatsoever. Well, I tend to disagree with you, but I yield. Thank you. Hey, quick question. have you ever looked at your bank statement and thought, what am I even paying for right now? I had that moment not too long ago, random subscriptions, duplicate charges, stuff I completely forgot about.

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20:23It entered full force in effect in 2011, which limited each side to 1 ,550 deployed strategic nuclear warheads, 700 deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles, ICBMs, submarine -launched ballistic missiles and heavy bombers, along with verification methods like data exchange and on-site inspections. inspections rather. So the treaty had a built-in 10-year duration with one possible five-year extension. The five-year extension was invoked, but this last February, February 5th, 2026, it just expired and Donald Trump professed that he would be engaging in more nuclear testing here and that we would resume a nuclear arms race.

21:10So that's what's been hovering in the background. And this guy, De Nanno, is the guy implementing Donald Trump's policy. So next person I'll show you is Senator Shaheen. And Senator Shaheen cross-examines De Nanno on, are we actually getting our European allies the weapons that we're promising them? Like, are they actually receiving the weapons? And you'll see De Nanno does not answer the question. He's like, well, this is why we're so nimble. under the Trump department. You know, the State Department in record time is able to have, it's like, dude, just answer the question. Are our European allies, who I don't even know if they are allies anymore.

21:54I don't think they are. After all of the crap Donald Trump put them through, I don't know how they, they don't see the United States as a friend. You know, they see the United States as a bigger threat than China or Russia. Many European countries do. It's one of the reasons we here at the Midas Touch Network are trying to build the international pro-democracy community, I think is one of the most important things that we can be doing. But in Europe, they're out there continuously basically saying, you know, we're not getting the weapons that we were promised at all. We're just not getting them.

22:26So here's what Senator Shaheen said. Play this clip. We really pushed our European allies to step up on their own defense and on Ukraine, and they have. Right now they spend more than we do supporting Ukraine, and they're spending that money on American weapons. Are we in a position where we can actually deliver the weapons that they're buying from us? Thanks to the question, Senator. I think it's an important one, and I think really shows why the reorganization of the State Department and putting all of the bureaus that do international security together makes sense. Because I think in relation to our political military bureau and the work that we're doing to modernize our defense industrial base, we have released two executive orders.

23:17We work very closely with the War Department as part of the most recent executive order had announced that it wanted executive council to stand up between the Commerce Department, the State Department, and the War Department. And that council, that meeting took place within a month. That's unheard of bureaucratic speed, I can tell you. So the commitment— That doesn't make me feel better. Not a very high bar. No. The commitment to modernizing our defense industrial base couldn't be stronger. I heard it loud and clear during my confirmation process. The State Department role here is to make sure that our regulatory approach doesn't constrain our allies and partners, that the demand signal from every part of the government, from this committee, from my leadership, was to move faster and to provide more capability.

24:16I think our recent America First arms transfer strategy is a really good iteration on that, that for our partners and allies around the world, it might not always require our most exquisite platform. It might not require an F-35. It might not require a Patriot system. But there are other systems that are certainly good enough that complement existing U.S. posture in the region, and that can send a demand signal to industry to stand up other capabilities. So again, the State Department piece of this is to open up the aperture, take on a little more risk, and move faster. that really is dwarfed by the reforms they're making in the War Department.

25:04And Undersecretary Duffy and his team are making drastic reforms. We work very closely with them. I'm on a call with them weekly, driving change, driving integration. So it is a priority for us. And again, I think it's not going to happen overnight, and it's not going to be easy or painless. I think we need to work together, the administration and the Congress to under to there may be some legislative relief we may need along the way here. But is absolute national security imperative, not only for the security of the United States, but as well as our partners and allies. And I think this is what you're seeing play out.

25:44And here you have, I think it's Republican Senator McCormick. McCormick, he grills DeNano on the Russian space weapons that are out there and what we're doing to combat it. Let's play this clip. According to, also according to the Director of National Intelligence, 2026 Annual Threat Assessment, Russia is developing anti-satellite nuclear weapons, which the intelligence community describes as the greatest single threat to the world's space architecture. So, Under Secretary, how should the United States respond to the expanding threat of outer space weapons, challenges by peer and near-peer adversaries, and which arms control approaches, along with risk reduction measures, offer the most promise given the expiration of the New START treaty?

26:33Thanks to the question, Senator. Again, very important question. Specifically to the Russian outer space system, I don't want to come into too much detail here in an open forum, but what I can say is that any deployment of that system would be a violation of the outer space treaty. So sort of, you know, directly focused on sort of the arms control piece of it. The Russian exotic systems are getting crazy, even for the Russians. So I think this, the president's approach, again, in the ranking member's earlier question about other bilateral as well as other multilateral ways to get at the problem, the answer is yes.

27:17That's obviously a system that diplomatically we would pressure, aggressively pressure the Russians, And I'm sure it'll come up in our P-5 engagement, which is imminent. So again, I don't want to talk too much more about the Russian capability and open forum. But certainly the exotic systems, the underwater system, the Poseidon, the Bervesnik, which is their nuclear-powered cruise missile. These are all systems that fall outside of New START, to your point, that we need to have a direct conversation with the Russians, and I'm sure we will. And finally, back in the House of Representatives, this was Congress Member Meek's cross-examination.

28:00We'll play it for you right here. It is a truly amazing fact that the advances made in the science of nuclear weapons over the last 25 years allow the NNSA labs to now know and understand more about the function and performance of nuclear weapons than they did in the days of testing. The NNSA complex is old. Much of it dates back to the Manhattan Project and the early days of the Cold War, and it needs to be replaced or refurbished. Fourth, we should never forget that ultimately it is people who sustain our deterrent. Military and civilians at DOD and NNSA work to maintain the continuum of deterrents, beginning with threat prevention and nonproliferation.

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28:45They need support, and we need to ensure that the entire nuclear enterprise always has the best and the brightest. And fifth, our allies and partners also rely on the U.S. nuclear deterrent as the ultimate guarantor of their security against nuclear attack, however remote the possibility. As much as they want the U.S. deterrent to be safe, secure, and reliable, they do not want a new arms race and a return to the days of mutual assured destruction. As of September 2017, the U.S. has 3 ,822 warheads in its stockpile, more than enough, with another 2 ,000-plus warheads awaiting dismantlement. This is down from the mid-60s peak of 31 ,255 warheads.

29:38We surely don't want a return to those days and increase the risk of nuclear war rather than reduce it. In conclusion, in my prepared testimony, I referenced a 2010 op-ed by former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft and Jake Garn, a former Republican senator from Utah, supporting New START. In that piece, they cautioned against seeking a silver bullet that solves all problems. New START was under consideration at the time that they wrote the op-ed and was being criticized for not covering the full range of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. In many respects, that is what the Trump administration is doing again, with respect to extending New START, criticizing it for what it isn't and was never intended to be, a silver bullet treaty.

30:31The treaty should be extended and time provided to take the next step towards stability. Thank you for holding this hearing on a very important topic that isn't discussed enough, and I look forward to your questions. Thank you, Ms. Creeden. Mr. McEwen. Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Kisnicker, thank you for the opportunity to be here today to discuss the importance of arms control agreements with Russia. I agree with much of what was said, if not all of it, by my two colleagues. I'll try very hard not to duplicate what they said. I will focus primarily on New Start. An extension of New Start, which we've discussed already, would bring significant benefits to American security for the same reasons the treaty was a good idea in the first place, the transparency and predictability that it provides.

31:14New START contains an inspection and verification regime that includes regular exchanges of data, regular notifications, including advanced notification of launches, and intrusive on-site inspections of the military bases on the territory of the other party where nuclear forces are based. General Highton, commander of U.S. Strategic Command, testified last winter that the insight provided by the verification measures are unbelievably important, quote unquote, to his understanding of Russian force posture. Without a treaty, our confidence levels about the size, location, and nature of Russian forces would decrease, and the intelligence resources required to monitor such forces would increase, but they would not yield information equivalent to that which can be obtained through the on-site inspections.

32:00The treaty limits the number of strategic launchers and warheads that each party may deploy, as well as a combined limit on deployed and non-deployed launchers. This structure provides several advantages to the Department of Defense and Department of Energy. First, the commander of strategic command can devise the war plans, secure in the knowledge about the size and location of Russian nuclear forces. Without the treaty, he would be required to engage in worst-case planning assumptions, which eventually could result in decisions to increase the size of deployed forces. There you have it, folks.

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