In short
The episode mixes ads with political commentary. Topic: the U.S. Navy Secretary John C. Phelan resigning effective immediately during an ongoing U.S. naval blockade of Iran in the Persian Gulf, amid Iran refusing further ceasefire talks until the blockade ends and Iran’s 10-point framework is accepted.
Key claims
the resignation is “catastrophic” and signals weakness/chaos; the Navy is stretched thin and morale is low; the blockade is “Operation Economic Fury” and is choking Iran’s economy; Iran’s seizure of two international (Greek/Mediterranean-owned) ships is framed as “piracy” and a ceasefire violation denial.
Notable examples
USS Gerald Ford toilet/sewage issues; “Trump-class battleships” press conference; Trump’s posted “Sherman”/deadline posts; Caroline Levitt’s White House lawn remarks.
Guests
none. Guests mentioned: Mackenzie (GoFundMe organizer) and BetterHelp users; no interview guests.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Navy Secretary Resignation and Its Implications
2:55 to 9:48
Discuss the resignation of Navy Secretary John Phelan amidst tensions with Iran.
“Donald Trump is crashing out right now in the White House as the Secretary of the United States Navy, John C.”
Iran's Response to U.S. Naval Strategy
9:48 to 14:01
Analyze Iran's stance on negotiations and military actions against U.S. forces.
“Will President Trump go full Sherman in the war on Iran?”
Effectiveness of the Naval Blockade on Iran
14:01 to 14:58
Learn about the impact of the U.S. naval blockade on Iran's economy and leverage in negotiations.
“And the naval blockade that the United States has imposed continues to be incredibly effective.”
Debunking Misleading Claims about Iran
14:58 to 17:46
Explore the spread of misinformation regarding Iranian women's executions and the realities of negotiations.
“And so next, you know, Caroline Leavitt and Donald Trump have been pushing the story, which is just not true, about how there are eight beautiful Iranian women who are about to be executed by the regime.”
Iran's Internal Dynamics and the Ceasefire
17:46 to 19:30
Understand the internal divisions in Iran and their effect on U.S.-Iran negotiations.
“Like they're mocking Donald Trump and all of those Lego videos and social media posts.”
RFK Jr. on Trump's Unusual Statistics
19:30 to 21:04
Examine RFK Jr.'s comments on Trump's unconventional way of calculating percentages.
“And her response is, we obviously know who we're negotiating with because we sat down with those individuals in person.”
Trump's Influence on Spirit Airlines Rescue
21:04 to 23:10
Discuss Trump's involvement in the potential bailout of Spirit Airlines and the implications for taxpayers.
“So if you have a$600 drug and you reduce it to$10, that's a 600 % reduction based on the way Donald Trump calculates things.”
Transcript
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2:58Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump is crashing out right now in the White House as the Secretary of the United States Navy, John C. Phelan, has suddenly resigned from his position. Let me repeat that. The top official in the United States Navy has resigned, effective immediately, while the United States is still at war, while the Navy currently has a blockade in the Persian Gulf, while morale has never been lower of the United States Navy, as the Navy is committing war crimes, the Secretary of the United States Navy has suddenly tendered his resignation. Donald Trump's Defense Department spokesperson, Sean Parnell, just posted the following statement.
3:35Ben Meiselas:Secretary of the Navy, John C. Phelan, is departing the administration effective immediately. On behalf of the Secretary of War and Deputy Secretary of War, we are grateful to the Secretary Phelan for his service to the Department and the United States Navy. We wish him and his future, we wish him well in his future endeavors. Undersecretary Young Kao will become the acting Secretary of the United States Navy. Secretary of Navy John C. Phelan stepped down, effective immediately. Now this comes at the same time that Iran said they are refusing to show up in Islamabad, Pakistan, to have any further negotiations with Donald Trump regarding a ceasefire or anything until Donald Trump ends the naval blockade in the Persian Gulf.
4:16Ben Meiselas:And unless and until Donald Trump agrees to the 10-point negotiating framework with Iran that Donald Trump previously said that he was agreeing to, and until Donald Trump stops threatening Iran with the United States Navy and with the United States military. So the fact that the top official in the United States Navy is resigning right now is really catastrophic. This is unprecedented, folks. And you'll recall our Navy has been stretched very thin, both in terms of their weapons. We know that it's been exhausted during this catastrophic and unlawful war with Iran. But if you look at some of the aircraft carriers like the USS Gerald Ford, it's now been on active duty missions.
4:56Ben Meiselas:It's been the longest deployed aircraft basically since the end of the Cold War, over 300 days. Morale is very low. We've been hearing stories about the food being served on the USS Gerald Ford, the USS Tripoli, the USS Abraham Lincoln, barely feeding members of our incredible Navy. We learned about the USS Gerald Ford before the catastrophic war in Iran officially broke out. This$13 billion aircraft carrier had toilet bowls that didn't work. And so you had thousands of sailors swimming through raw sewage before the start of the catastrophic war in Iran, and it had to head to a port in order to get that fixed.
5:39Ben Meiselas:We'll also recall that the Navy Secretary John Phelan held this weird press conference with Donald Trump back in December, where he talked about building a new class of battleships called the Trump class of battleships because Donald Trump didn't like the way aircraft carriers look and Donald Trump doesn't like the way that stealth ships look and how other ships are made. So Trump wanted battleships to look the way they did during like World War I and World War II. He wanted that as the model, he said. And so you had John Phelan hold a weird press conference saying that's what he was going to do.
6:16Ben Meiselas:And he was going to call them the Trump battleships with nuclear capabilities. Play this clip. This ship isn't just to swat the arrows. It is going to reach out and kill the archers. And for the first time in generations, we'll have a new leg in America's nuclear deterrence because the Trump-class battleship will carry the nuclear-armed sea-launched cruise missile. Striking dominance isn't all that the Trump-class battleship brings to the fight at sea. It has the size and capacity to serve as a flagship for our fleet commanders so that they can command and control naval forces far out to sea. Remember how embarrassing it was when then Donald Trump was like, I'm an aesthetic person.
6:58Ben Meiselas:I don't like the way our ships look. Remember that? Play this clip. On the Second World War, they were freighters and different types, but we were doing a ship a day and now we don't do ships. And I'm not a fan of some of the ships you do. I'm a very aesthetic person. I don't like some of the ships you're doing aesthetically. They say, oh, it's stealth. They say, that's not stealth. An ugly ship is not necessary in order to say you're stealth. By the way, the B-2 bombers were incredible. That is stealth. They went into that. Let me just remind you all what Donald Trump had previously said back on November 26, 2024, where he nominated John Phelan.
7:40Ben Meiselas:Just to be clear, John Phelan's never been in the Navy before, no military experience. He's just a big Republican donor, a rich guy who was appointed in this position by Donald Trump. This is what Donald Trump said back in November of 2024. It is my great honor to announce John Phelan as our next United States Secretary of Navy. John will be a tremendous force for our Naval service members and a steadfast leader in advancing my America first vision. He will put the business of the U S Navy above all less. All else, John has excelled in every endeavor from founding and leading rugger management, LLC to co-founding MSD capital LP private investment firms for Michael Dell, CEO of Dell technology.
8:22Ben Meiselas:His record and success speaks for itself. A true champion of American enterprise and ingenuity. Private equity guy was the secretary of Navy, but he's gone. He has suddenly resigned during this war while we're in these very, very tenuous, this tenuous situation. And Donald Trump continues to crash out in the White House right now as Iran is just saying, Donald, you can keep on extending your deadlines, but we're not going to negotiate with you unless and until you stop threatening us. And unless and until you end the naval blockade in the Persian Gulf and agree to the 10 point negotiating framework that you previously agreed to.
9:00Ben Meiselas:Then we'll meet and we're happy to go to Islamabad. And that's what they've been saying. Donald Trump's like, well, I'm going to give them until Sunday. I'm going to give them three to five days, right, when the markets close. I'm going to extend the deadline. Iran's like, we're not asking for that. We're not asking for any extensions, Donald. And now the fact that you have the U.S. Navy secretary resigning, that signals a weakness, chaos. Iran sees, can you imagine if Iran's chief of the Navy, you know, suddenly resigned? Isn't it also ironic that you had like Jesse Waters and all the state regime media people at Fox yesterday being like, oh, and this person in Iran is being fired and there's a coup here and all these things happen.
9:38Ben Meiselas:It's all projection and confession. The head of our Navy has just resigned in the middle of this war. And Donald Trump continues to crash out as a result of all of this. Donald Trump posted the following morning glory. Will President Trump go full Sherman in the war on Iran? From Sherman's march to Trump's Iran deadline, a historical argument emerges for why ruthless wartime measures can ultimately deliver lasting peace. You think that's the productive response to Iran? And then Donald Trump writes, I guess this is like his therapy and makes him feel good. Last season of My Apprentice Juggernaut!
10:18exclamation point. And he posts a New York Times article from 2004 that says, The Apprentice scores ratings top for season. And then he posts another graphic from the New York Times that says, finale viewers, 28 million, key demographic, 17.5 million viewers. Then he posts, you can't compromise on sanity and common sense. Like a total crash out right now. I mean, look, you want to see what Iran's lead negotiator and parliament leader Mbigal Labaoth is saying. Here's what he writes. A complete ceasefire only makes sense if it is not violated by the maritime blockade and the hostage taking of the world's economy.
11:02And if the Zionist warmongering across all fronts is halted, reopening the Strait of Hormuz is impossible with such a flagrant breach of the ceasefire. They did not achieve their goals through military aggression, nor will they through bullying. the only way forward is to recognize the rights of the Iranian nation. Then Iran's president, Pazeshkian, posted, the Islamic Republic of Iran has always welcome and continues to welcome dialogue and agreement. Bad faith, siege, and threats are the main obstacles to genuine negotiation. The world is witnessing your hypocritical empty talk and the contradiction between your claims and your actions.
11:39And as the Iran negotiating delegation had said, the United States didn't bring anybody to the last negotiating round that has any knowledge about nuclear issues. So Iran's like, how could we talk about nuclear issues with Jared Kushner and Steve Woodcock? They don't know what they're talking about. And so Iran's like, we have no plans to attend another meeting. We're just not going to do it. So then Donald Trump sends Caroline Levitt to do a press conference, and she does one from the White House lawn. And she's asked by state regime media, which calls itself Fox, does the president view what Iran did earlier this morning as a violation of the ceasefire.
12:16Iran interdicted two ships in the Strait of Hormuz that tried to breach the Strait of Hormuz. Yes, Iran has a navy, despite Donald Trump saying they're totally obliterated. Iran's navy, not obliterated, interdicted these ships and made them stop. And Iran did it because Donald Trump has a blockade right now in the Persian Gulf and Iran warned. This is what we're going to do. And they did it. If you try to get around our control of the Strait of Hormuz. Listen to Caroline Levitt just kind of freak out on the White House lawn. And she's like, no, we don't really care. It wasn't American ships and it wasn't Israeli ships, so we don't care.
12:56I mean, they're your ally ships. What a terrible response. Here play this clip. I want to ask you about these ships that Iran seized. We're continuing to get reporting on this. Does the seizure of two ships, as we said, they were Greek and Mediterranean owned ships with cargo on them. And the reports are that Iran basically seized them and then moved them into Iranian waters. We don't know what's going to happen to these crews. We're not sure where all of this is going. Does the president view that as a violation of the ceasefire. No, because these were not U.S. ships. These were not Israeli ships.
13:33These were two international vessels. And for the American media, who is sort of blowing this out of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy, these two ships were taken by speedy gunboats. Iran has gone from having the most lethal navy in the Middle East to now acting like a bunch of pirates. They don't have control over the strait. This is piracy that we are seeing on display. And the naval blockade that the United States has imposed continues to be incredibly effective. And to be clear, the blockade is on ships going to and from Iranian ports.
14:10And the point of this is the economic leverage that we maintain over Iran now. While there's a ceasefire with respect to the military and kinetic strikes, Operation Economic Fury continues. And the crux of that is this naval blockade. We are choking their economy. We are strangling their main source of revenue. They can't pay their own people. They're losing$500 million every single day. Card Island is completely full of oil because they can't transport it to and from. So the president, the cards are in his hands. The United States maintains control over the situation. He has all of the leverage.
14:48And again, that's why he's maintained a little bit of flexibility with the extension of the ceasefire as we await a unified response from the Iranians to the president's very clear proposal. And so next, you know, Caroline Leavitt and Donald Trump have been pushing the story, which is just not true, about how there are eight beautiful Iranian women who are about to be executed by the regime. And it does seem that there are women who have been arrested, not executed, and they're going through a process there, which we can say is, you know, a problem, sure. But we have to accurately report what's happening.
15:25It's not saving these women from execution. That's not what is happening. Let's just stick with the facts about what's actually happening. And then we can have a real kind of common sense conversation. Here, play this clip. Well, first of all, Martha, only President Trump could save the lives of these eight beautiful Iranian women who he has received direct word from the Iranian regime or what's left of it that their lives are going to be spared. And that comes as a result of President Trump asking them directly not to kill these young, beautiful women who certainly deserve a chance to continue living their lives freely and peacefully.
16:01And now that will happen thanks to President Trump, because he's a humanitarian at heart. And remember, Donald Trump told the protesters in January, go out and protest. I've got your back. And then didn't have their back. And now what? It's social media posts and Caroline Levin on the White House lawn. Next, she says that the fact that Iran can't send a unified message just shows how effective Operation Epic Fury truly was. And again, when you're talking about Caroline, they have sent a unified message back in early March. If you want to negotiate, here's our 10-point framework, and you all agree to Iran's 10-point framework.
16:39So it just doesn't seem like you really want to have a real negotiation. If you want to go to war, there's a war path where you'll commit war crimes. There's a path. You will lose tens of thousands of US service members. There's a war path. But if you want to negotiate, you have to live in a reality. This isn't like what you get to do with your sycophantic regime media where you just lie. You have to address the fact that there's a counterparty who's made clear they're non-negotiables and they've stood on those non-negotiables. This ain't Delce Rodriguez of Venezuela. It's not what this is. Here, Play this clip of her right here.
17:12The fact that they cannot send a unified message yet, which is why the president decided to extend the ceasefire, just shows how effective Operation Epic Fury truly was, because there's a lot of internal division over there. The president understands that. And so we await their response. Yeah, they had one leader, one Ayatollah for 37 years who seemed to be able to keep a bit of a lid on all of these disparate groups. But that is sort of an open can of worms after his death in that operation on February 28th. So we'll see if they can get their act together. And then she's asked, well, what do you make of Iran just outright mocking you all?
17:49Like they're mocking Donald Trump and all of those Lego videos and social media posts. They're mocking Donald Trump for setting deadlines. Then when the deadline approaches, Donald Trump extends the deadline and then makes up an excuse why he extends the deadline, like as the ceasefire was about to expire. He said, Pakistan told me to do it because Iran needs to get the message from the Ayatollah. Iran's like, that's not true. And when you say that, Donald, when you lie and your counterparty knows that you're not telling the truth and you don't stand on your deadlines, they don't take you seriously.
18:22They take you like a clown and they're making clown videos about you. You know how you used to say the world is laughing at the world? The world, everybody's laughing at you. But unfortunately, it's more horrified. Iran's laughing at you, but former allies of the United States are horrified because this is causing real pain and suffering. Let's play this clip. So in the same day, the president said that he doesn't want to extend the ceasefire and the bombs would start falling after the end of the ceasefire. And unilaterally, he declared that the ceasefire would be extended indefinitely. Iranian state media are openly mocking the president of the United States and saying, we didn't even request the extension of the ceasefire.
19:02What's the response from the president of the United States? The response is you guys all see a lot of different messaging coming out of Iran, a lot of different rhetoric and language from them. I would caution you to take anything that they say at face value. What we've seen is that what they say publicly is much different than what they concede to the United States and our negotiating team privately. I've said that repeatedly to all of you in the news media, and you should take our word. So then Caroline Levitt is asked, so who's in charge with Iran that you're negotiating with? Who are you talking to?
19:36And her response is, we obviously know who we're negotiating with because we sat down with those individuals in person. Okay, so you're confirming that the negotiating team is Ghalibaf. I just showed you his post. It is Foreign Minister Aragji. It is that team of people. They also had someone from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard there. So they had their National Security Council leader who replaced Larajani there. That's who's there. But anyway, play this clip of Caroline Levitt. Let's play it. Who is in charge in Iran and who the administration is even negotiating with? Well, we obviously know who we're negotiating with because our negotiating team has sat down with those individuals in person.
20:20But obviously there's a lot of internal fraction and internal division, which, again, just proves the effectiveness of Operation Epic Fury in the first place. Their regime and many of its leaders for nearly five decades have been wiped off for the face of planet Earth. And then one of the things that happened, I'll probably make a longer video on this while all of that was taking place, is you had a hearing with RFK Jr. where RFK Jr. was asked a pretty basic question by Senator Elizabeth Warren asking, does Donald Trump just make up percentages? Like, where do you get these percentages from? And RFK Jr.
20:58is Donald Trump does percentages differently. The direct quote is, President Trump has a different way of calculating percentages. So if you have a$600 drug and you reduce it to$10, that's a 600 % reduction based on the way Donald Trump calculates things. Let's play this clip. President Trump and the Republicans slashed health care for millions of families. The president pitched his Trump Rx website as the answer for Americans who are worried about health care costs. He claims that Trump Rx has reduced prices by as much as 600 percent. 600 percent, which I think means companies should be paying you to take their drugs.
21:40But let's do some real math here. Take one drug, Protonix, a 30-day supply of this heartburn medication, costs$200 on Trump Rx. But there is an identical generic version of this pill called Pantoprazole. Secretary Kennedy, do you know how much it costs for a 30-day supply of that drug at Costco? But I would say this, Senator. Do you know what it costs? President Trump has a different way of calculating. There's two ways of calculating percentage. If you have a$600 drug and you reduce it to 10, that's a 600 % reduction. You know I only have five minutes. Do you know what the drug costs at Costco?
22:30I do not. The drug is$16 at Costco. So Trump RX charges$200 for Protonix and Costco charges$16. Let's do another one. And then finally, I should point out as Donald Trump is, you know, screaming and having a meltdown. One of the things we learned is that Donald Trump will now be bailing out Spirit Airlines. Apparently, the U.S. is going to take control of Spirit Airlines because that's what the communist Trump regime does right now, where the U.S. is going to own 90 % of Spirit Airlines. in a$500 million rescue plan. Okay, I'm sure that's going to work out well. That's where our taxpayers or taxpayer dollars are going.
23:12And Caroline Levitt blames it all on Biden. Here's what she says. Let's play it. There's been some reporting about a possible bailout for Spirit Airlines. Can you update us on those talks? And why does the administration think it's a good investment to buy into a bankrupt airline? Well, I understand the airline is bankrupt because the previous administration blocked the merger, which was probably not a wise move. Obviously, this is something the Commerce Department and the president are tracking. I don't have any updates or announcements, but the aviation industry is very important to this president and this White House.
23:45Millions of Americans depend on it. We want to see the best possible outcome, but I don't have any announcements. Let me know what you all think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 7 million subscribers. Thanks so much for watching.
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