Trump Crashes out in Oval Office after Putin Warning

30 Apr 2026 · 24 min · 10 chapters

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In short

The episode dissects a reported 90-minute Trump–Putin phone call in which Putin warned of “catastrophic consequences” if the U.S. and Israel conduct another ground invasion of Iran, then contrasts that warning with Trump’s Oval Office remarks attacking NATO, confusing Ukraine with Iran, and praising a naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.

Guest backgrounds

No clear podcast guest is identified in the transcript; the host references reporting/explanations from Ryan Grimm and quotes/mentions Jared Isaacman and Zelensky, but they are not presented as guests.

Key claims

The call was reported via Russian media (TASS) rather than the White House; Trump plans renewed strikes on Iranian infrastructure and will keep the naval blockade; Trump claims Ukraine is militarily defeated with “159 ships” underwater; Trump humiliates allies and misstates events.

Notable examples

Trump’s “blockade is genius” remarks; the “86, 47” James Comey discussion; Trump asking Isaacman about “relocating NASA headquarters”; Zelensky criticizing J.D. Vance for ending aid and stressing continued U.S. support.

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Trump's Controversial Call with Putin

2:31 to 3:59

Discussing the implications of Trump's recent phone call with Putin regarding Iran.

“Donald Trump is crashing out in the Oval Office right now after it has been learned that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin spoke for 90 minutes.”

Trump's Strategy and Misconceptions

3:59 to 5:20

Analyzing Trump's strategy and misconceptions about military actions and alliances.

“CENTCOM has a plan for a short resumption of strikes to include on Iranian infrastructure with the goal of bringing Iran back to the negotiating table through another short term opening of hostilities.”

Trump's Confusing Statements

5:20 to 7:27

A breakdown of Trump's confusing statements during the Oval Office press conference.

“He writes, just in President Putin and President Trump held constructive phone calls, also discussing potential U.S.-Russia economic and energy cooperation.”

Trump's Military Claims and Attacks

7:27 to 8:51

Examining Trump's claims about military strength and his attacks on NATO.

“And Donald Trump says that the blockade, which is a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz already being essentially blockaded and closed.”

Trump's Inappropriate Comments

8:51 to 11:15

Discussing Trump's inappropriate comments during the press conference.

“And then once again, he confuses Iran with Ukraine.”

Trump's Astronaut Aspiration

11:15 to 14:00

Exploring Trump's bizarre claim about being able to be an astronaut.

“Maybe just go back to the noogies, Donald.”

Trump's Ignorance on Supreme Court Ruling

15:27 to 17:16

Discussing Trump's surprising lack of knowledge regarding a Supreme Court ruling.

“I've been with contractors because we're trying to get the ballroom built ahead of schedule.”

Trump's Claims of Threats

17:16 to 18:41

Analyzing Trump's comments about feeling threatened and blaming James Comey.

“So we're hearing from President Zelensky as well.”

Zelensky's Statement on U.S. Support

18:41 to 21:40

Zelensky discusses the importance of U.S. support amid the Ukraine conflict.

“And I'm not sure that it's strengthening.”

Trump's Approval Ratings on Inflation

21:40 to 22:22

Examining the latest polling data on Trump's approval ratings regarding inflation.

“OK, so you see these bad numbers and take a look here.”
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2:31Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump is crashing out in the Oval Office right now after it has been learned that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin spoke for 90 minutes. And during that phone call, Vladimir Putin warned Donald Trump that if you and Netanyahu invade Iran again, there will be catastrophic consequences. Now, Donald Trump is in the Oval Office bashing NATO. He's confusing Iran with Ukraine and saying that the United States destroyed 159 ships of Ukraine. Let's go through what's happening piece by piece. Then we also heard from President Zelensky as well, and I'll share with you what he had to say. Powerful words indeed, where he goes after J.D.

3:13Ben Meiselas:Vance and Donald Trump. So we learned through Russian media, not through the White House at all, but through Russian media that there was a phone call today between Donald Trump and Putin this morning. It lasted 90 minutes. And the content of the phone call was provided in a readout to TASS, which is the Russian media. Putin told Trump in a phone call that he foresees extremely harmful consequences if the U.S. and Israel attack Iran again, calling any ground operation or invasion extremely dangerous and unacceptable. Now, this followed Donald Trump having a phone call with Barack Ravid at Axios, who is basically Donald Trump's stenographer and chief propagandist, other than, of course, Trump's in-house propagandist, Caroline Levitt.

3:58Ben Meiselas:And Donald Trump told Barack Ravid earlier this morning during a 15 minute call that CENTCOM has a plan for a short resumption of strikes to include on Iranian infrastructure with the goal of bringing Iran back to the negotiating table through another short term opening of hostilities. Again, Donald Trump told Axios he will keep the naval blockade in place as well. As Ryan Grimm explains, Trump very publicly has said that he thought his initial strikes would last only a few days and the regime would fall or he'd get negotiating leverage. He expressed extreme surprise when that didn't happen. Being wrong then is one thing.

4:41Ben Meiselas:Doing the exact same thing again two months later and still thinking the same thing is so monumentally stupid, I can't even get my head around it. Iran has said if the U.S. attacks again, they're going to go bananas on us and our allies. Does Trump even know they promised that? And also over the weekend, Donald Trump promised that the Iranian oil pipelines were going to explode today based on all of the pressure within the pipelines caused by the naval blockade. Meanwhile, Russia's envoy to the United States, one of their top ambassadors, a guy by the name of Kirill Dmitriev, he's just mocking the United States right now on his social media post.

5:22Ben Meiselas:He writes, just in President Putin and President Trump held constructive phone calls, also discussing potential U.S.-Russia economic and energy cooperation. So that's what Donald Trump was focused on while attacking NATO, while potentially resuming the open hostilities in Iran, while we now have our markets tanking as a result of Donald Trump's conduct. Donald Trump talking about economic cooperation with Putin while Putin warning Donald Trump, don't you dare do any more ground invasions. The results will be catastrophic. And Trump's like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Sir. Yes, sir. We're going to just keep our naval blockade.

6:03Ben Meiselas:The naval blockade is genius. Now going to the Oval Office. So Trump has that call with Putin. Then all of Putin's attacks on Ukraine and Donald Trump and Putin plotting against Ukraine, that's on Donald Trump's mind. So when Trump holds this Oval Office press conference, where I think the purpose of it was to trot out the heroic astronauts and use them as props behind him, as Donald Trump does with sports teams in order to spread Donald Trump's propaganda and fascism. Donald Trump confuses Ukraine with Iran and says that he thinks that Ukraine has been militarily defeated and they had only 159 ships that are all at the bottom of the sea.

6:44Ben Meiselas:Here play this clip. That's an interesting question. You know, coming from you, that's very interesting. Which war would end first? I don't know. Maybe they're on a similar timetable. I think Ukraine militarily, they're defeated. Okay. You wouldn't know that by reading the fake news, but militarily, look there, Navy. So they had 159 ships. Every ship is right now underwater. Typically, that's pretty good. What do you think, Jared? I mean, it's going to be hard for them to make a naval comeback. OK, now they have an Air Force. Every one of their planes has been shot down or has been decimated. They have missiles.

7:23About 82 percent are gone and they have drones. And most of them are gone. Most of the factories are mostly gone.

7:31Ben Meiselas:And Donald Trump says that the blockade, which is a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz already being essentially blockaded and closed. Trump says this was pure genius, he says. And now all we need Iran to do is cry uncle. That's Donald Trump's strategy, folks. He's doing noogies. Donald Trump's strategy is noogies. Cry uncle. Cry uncle. We have the single dumbest human being and most dangerous human being in the Oval Office. Cry uncle. Here, play this clip. Well, the blockade is genius, okay? The blockade has been 100 % foolproof. It shows how good our Navy is, I can tell you that. Nobody's going to play games.

8:11We have the greatest military in the world, and I built much of it during my first term, and we've been building it since. And the greatest anywhere in the world, nobody even close. And you see that, whether it's Venezuela, which and they have a good military in Venezuela but it was over in one day it was actually over in about 48 minutes uh Iran the same thing I mean militarily we've wiped them out they have no military left they're it's all the navies at the bottom of the sea the air force is never going to fly again uh we've we've got an amazing military now we now they have to cry uncle that's all they give up.

8:54We give up.

8:55Ben Meiselas:And then throughout this Oval Office press conference, this disaster after Donald Trump spoke with Putin for 90 minutes and got that warning from Putin, Donald Trump starts saying, you know, King Charles told me that he would have helped me in the Strait of Hormuz, but it was just that pesky NATO. So Trump attacks NATO as a paper tiger. And then once again, he confuses Iran with Ukraine. And he's like, NATO would not help us on Ukraine. we wanted to we needed help there and nato didn't do anything what what are you talking about here play this clip well you have to understand my thinking is i think exactly correct but i was very disappointed with the fact that when we called on them to give us a little hand we didn't need it i actually did it just to see whether or not they'd be there when we called on nato to give us a hand with ukraine and and in particular the most recent you know we we asked them to do certain things on ukraine and we also wanted them to do things with iran and on ukraine they're very much involved but they didn't do things the way we would like to see it you know it's been going on for a long time and on iran uh they weren't there as you know you know it better than anybody they weren't there uh the king is fantastic we spent a lot of time together we had a lot of talk we talked about this also.

10:18And he loves his country and he's a great king and he's a great friend of mine. And I think if he were doing that, if that were up to him, he would have probably helped us with Iran. He would have done he would have followed the suggestions we made with respect to Ukraine because, you know, we have some disagreements on Ukraine.

10:38Ben Meiselas:Then Donald Trump is like, yeah, you know, we had to go after James Comey, former FBI director, because when he said 86, that's a mob term. You ever watch the movies? 86 is the way mobsters say you got to kill people. So you brought a criminal case against the former FBI director for a social media post involving seashells on the beach that says 8647, whereas 86 means it's a restaurant term, get rid of, push somebody out, not allow them in. Because you watch mob movies and they also use the term 86? That's where we are. Maybe just go back to the noogies, Donald. Here, play this clip. How busy you are this morning.

11:21James Comey was in court. He self surrendered. He's now been charged a second time, this time over a social media post with seashells that said 86, 47. Do you really think that he was endangering your life or threatening your life with that? Well, if anybody knows anything about crime, they know 86, you know, it's a mob term for kill him you know you ever see the movies 86 him the mobster says to one of his wonderful associates 86 him that means kill him it's uh i think of it as a mob term i don't know people think of it as something having to do with disappearing but the mob uses that term to say when they want to kill somebody they say 86 the son of a gun i'm trying to keep the language nice and clear.

12:08They don't use that term, son of a gun. They use another term. But that's a mob term for kill. Yeah.

12:15Ben Meiselas:Then Donald Trump says that he believes that he could be an astronaut because of what great physical shape he is. And I saw somebody say, you know, maybe 10 years ago when Trump would behave this way to some people, it would be endearing. But knowing that Donald Trump is actually a psychopath who truly believes that he could be an astronaut right now and that he's actually in good physical health makes this both depressing and psychotic. Here play this clip. Ask, but we're very proud of these people. They have unbelievable courage, unbelievable. A lot of other things too, by the way, to get in there, you have to be very smart, have to do a lot of things physically good.

12:52So I would have had no trouble making it physically very, very good. Maybe a little bit of a problem. I don't know, I'm sure. We'll have to try it sometime. Is a president allowed to go up in one of these missions? We can get working on that. We have no problem, right? Launch more rockets. We'll have to try it.

13:09Ben Meiselas:And then Donald Trump turns to Jared Isaacman, who's got really big ears just objectively. And when Donald Trump couldn't hear the question that was being asked to Trump, Trump turns to Isaacman, who's the head of NASA. And Donald Trump's like, look at those ears. Are you able to hear that question with those big ears of yours? Yes. Donald Trump humiliates our country every single day. Here play this clip. Are you considering relocating NASA's headquarters out of D.C.? States like Florida, Texas, and Ohio have expressed interest. You're going to have to say it differently. Sorry, are you considering relocating NASA's headquarters out of D.C.

13:50once the lease is up? States like Texas, Ohio, and Florida? Well, the best man to tell you that is the man standing right over here. You heard that question with those beautiful ears of yours? He's got great hearing, you know, super, he's got super hearing. Trick of the trade, sir. And I. What's the answer to that? Let me tell you, if there's a surefire way to wake up feeling fresh after drinks with friends, it's with pre-alcohol. Z-Biotics pre-alcohol probiotic drink is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by PhD scientists to tackle rough mornings after drinking.

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15:26Ben Meiselas:And Donald Trump didn't realize that the Supreme Court even made a ruling on the Voting Rights Act until a reporter asked him a question. Here, play this clip. Thank you, Mr. President. In light of today's Supreme Court ruling on the Voting Rights Act, do you want Republican states in the South to look at redrawing congressional districts before I don't know if you have to tell me when did the ruling come out. I've been with the astronauts. I've been with contractors because we're trying to get the ballroom built ahead of schedule. It's right on schedule. It's ahead of schedule now. I want to keep it that way.

16:01And I was also with commissioning some people. But one of, you know, David Warrington's son. You know David. Everybody knows David. He's got this incredible son. So he was just sworn in. So we had other things. Tell me about the, uh, the, what happened? Well, I also think that the ruling can create more Republican, uh, held congressional seats in the South. That's good. Yeah. That's the kind of ruling I like. When did that happen? Well, there's a great world rule on it this morning. Really? Is that right? You tell me about the ruling. Well, I have a question. This is CNN fake news.

16:34Ben Meiselas:And then Donald Trump says it's because people like James Comey that he feels that his life is threatened all the time. That's what a snowflake this guy is. Here, play this clip. Do you really think your life was in danger? Probably. I don't know. Based on what I'm seeing out there, yeah. The people like Comey have created tremendous danger, I think, for politicians and others. You know, Comey is a dirty cop. He's a very dirty cop. He cheated on the elections. He tried to help Hillary Clinton, as you know. He dismissed a lot of things that he should have proceeded with. I wasn't involved, but he should have proceeded with.

17:12No, he's a dirty cop. He's a crooked man. Yeah.

17:16Ben Meiselas:So we're hearing from President Zelensky as well. Here's what Zelensky had to say regarding J.D. Vance. Let's hear let's hear that interview from Zelensky from this morning. Let's play it. U.S. support to Ukraine dropped by 99 percent in 2025. And Vice President J.D. Vance recently said that he was most proud of ending military aid to your country. Do you still see the United States as a reliable ally in this war? I think that our union between the United States and Ukraine is the quickest way how to make the strongest forces in the world. We have to strengthen each other, not to find a way how to stop support or not to stop support.

18:06So big investment from the United States and Europeans at the very beginning of the war helped us technologically increase and be unique now. One of the strongest armies, technologically strongest armies in the world. So take this experience. I'm not agree with the vice president. We are open and we are not enemies. Russia is enemies and they are close and they will be always enemies with the United States. Cold war, hot war, God bless, no war, but they are not allies. And if the Vice President is proud that he is not helping us, it's when he is helping Russians. And I'm not sure that it's strengthening.

18:53I'm not sure that it's strengthening the United States. No. No. to have russians as friends i'm not sure that it's from positions and then we got the latest

19:05Ben Meiselas:polling data out you know reuters ipsos has donald trump's approval at 34 percent ap norc has trump's approval at 33 percent when you go to like standard of living that reuters poll has trump's approval at like 20 percent uh when you go to the economy and that AP Nork. Trump's approval is 30 percent. I mean, way worse than Biden, way worse than Jimmy Carter, worse than Nixon at the time of Nixon's resignation. Watch how Harry Enten breaks down some of the latest numbers as it relates to the public's view of Donald Trump on inflation, where Donald Trump promised on day one he would solve inflation.

19:43Ben Meiselas:He would make prices less, he said. OK, but here, play this clip. Yeah, it is the number one issue, the number one issue. It's the number one financial issue. It's the number one issue. Folks saying it's facing their families right now. And Donald John Trump is in the worst position he has ever been on inflation. And more than that, these are the worst numbers I've ever seen for any president. I mean, just look at this. Look at this. According to Ipsos, look at this. Net approval rating on inflation. We got the latest poll out. He's 49 points underwater. That means that 49 percent more of the public disapproved than the proof of the job he's doing.

20:15I went back. You remember Joe Biden. Inflation absolutely crushed his presidency. But at his worst, according to Ipsos, he was just 43 points underwater. So Trump is lower now on inflation than Joe Biden ever was, according to Ipsos. And I will note that the inflation rate right now is only about a third as it was back in June of 2022. Yet Trump's numbers are significantly worse than Biden's ever were. Even though inflation was like at 9 % this month, they still think Trump is doing a worse job on it than Biden ever was. Correct. That is staggering. OK, so when you think of presidents and inflation, the one that comes to mind is Jimmy Carter.

20:51That was when inflation was really stratospheric. So how does Trump compare to Carter on those numbers? Yeah, these are really stunning numbers right here. But what about James Earl Carter, right? You think of inflation, as Johnny B was talking about. You think about inflation sinking presidencies. You think of Jimmy Carter. But just look here. OK, if we look right now at we're talking about net approvals on inflation, this number should actually be 46 percent, 40 minus 46. And if you look at this, though, even if I raise it a little bit and I correct my error right here live on air, we're talking about minus 46 points versus minus 49 points.

21:27Donald Trump is in worse position on inflation that Jimmy Carter was when, of course, Carter then got blown out by Ronald Reagan back in 1980. than 80. So where do Americans think this is headed in terms of the cost of living? Yeah. OK, so you see these bad numbers and take a look here. Look at this on cost of living country is on the wrong track or right track. Look at this among independents. Seventy five percent, 75 percent say the wrong track, just nine percent say the right track. Look among Republicans. The plurality of Republicans say that the country is on the wrong track when it comes to the cost of living versus is just 39 percent, 45 versus 39.

22:03Donald Trump has lost every single part of this electorate. And when you take his name out of the equation, you see even the plurality of Republicans say that the country is.

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