Trump DOJ Makes Shock Claim About Trump’s Dark Past

7 Jul 2025 · 19 min · 13 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that the Trump administration/DOJ is suppressing or contradicting claims about Jeffrey Epstein’s “client list,” blackmail, and whether Epstein was murdered.

Guest backgrounds

It features an interview clip with Alex Eisenstadt, an Axios reporter who obtained the DOJ/FBI memo and reports on DOJ/FBI conclusions. No other guests are interviewed in the transcript.

Key claims

Axios says DOJ/FBI found no evidence of an Epstein client list, blackmail, or murder; Epstein died by suicide. The host contrasts this with Pam Bondi’s earlier statements that the “client list” was “sitting on my desk” and that Trump directed agencies to review Epstein, JFK, and MLK files. The host also claims Trump is connected to Epstein records (flight logs, depositions, “Doe 174”) and points to alleged video footage of Trump with Epstein.

Notable examples

Axios memo; Bondi “sitting on my desk” quote; Kash Patel comments about releasing files in the “right format”; alleged Trump/Epstein party video; references to SDNY “thousands of pages” and to Ghislaine Maxwell/Jeffrey Epstein court testimony involving Trump.

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DOJ Claims Epstein List Does Not Exist

0:30 to 0:58

Discussion on the DOJ's assertion regarding Epstein's client list.

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DOJ Claims Epstein List Does Not Exist

1:03 to 1:26

Discussion on the DOJ's assertion regarding Epstein's client list.

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DOJ Claims Epstein List Does Not Exist

2:29 to 2:50

Discussion on the DOJ's assertion regarding Epstein's client list.

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DOJ Claims Epstein List Does Not Exist

2:57 to 3:40

Discussion on the DOJ's assertion regarding Epstein's client list.

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Contradictory Claims on Epstein Client List

3:40 to 4:50

Exploring statements from Pam Bondi about the Epstein client list.

“But of course, it seems that they are covering up for Donald Trump, who would be all over the Epstein files.”

Axios Reporter Interview on Epstein

4:50 to 6:34

Interview with Alex Eisenstadt discussing the Axios report on Epstein.

“That's been a directive by President Trump.”

FBI and DOJ's Stance on Epstein Conspiracy

6:34 to 7:59

Analysis of the FBI and DOJ's claims surrounding Epstein.

“So that's the reporting that we have tonight up on Axios.”

Trump's Connections to Epstein

7:59 to 10:40

Examining Donald Trump's documented connections to Epstein.

“And now you have the Trump administration kind of pushing back on that and saying, no, there's no evidence of a conspiracy.”

Calls for Transparency on Epstein Files

10:40 to 12:15

Discussion on the demands for the release of the Epstein files.

“And of course, Donald Trump said Epstein's a great guy who likes women on the younger side.”

Political Implications of Epstein Files

12:15 to 14:00

Investigating the political ramifications of the Epstein files.

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Questions Surrounding Epstein Files and Trump's Involvement

14:00 to 18:00

Learn about the controversy regarding the Epstein files and Trump's connections.

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Questions Surrounding Epstein Files and Trump's Involvement

18:49 to 19:18

Learn about the controversy regarding the Epstein files and Trump's connections.

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Questions Surrounding Epstein Files and Trump's Involvement

19:23 to 21:10

Learn about the controversy regarding the Epstein files and Trump's connections.

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2:59Ben Meiselas:So the Trump regime is now claiming that the Epstein list does not exist. On Sunday night, Axios got their hands on a DOJ memo, which claims there was never an Epstein list, that Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex trafficker, did not keep a list that he used to blackmail powerful, rich men. And they also claim in this DOJ memo that there is no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered or that anything happened to Jeffrey Epstein other than he died by suicide. And we all know that the DOJ and the FBI are made up of people who had been saying for years that this Epstein list was going to expose everything.

3:45Ben Meiselas:But of course, it seems that they are covering up for Donald Trump, who would be all over the Epstein files. So here's the headline from Axios exclusive. DOJ FBI conclude Epstein had no client list, committed suicide, died by suicide. But what about from February 21st, 2025, when Attorney General Pam Bondi says the Epstein client list was, quote, sitting on my desk right now, which he was reviewing along with the JFK and MLK file. So the Epstein list went from sitting on Pam Bondi's desk right now in February to, quote, there's no list in just a few months. The official White House account, Rapid Response 47, back on February 21st, 2025, posted this.

4:39Ben Meiselas:Fox, the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? Pam Bondi. It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. That's from the official Rapid Response account of the White House. Here was Pam Bondi in February saying that the client list was on her desk. So you can hear it and see for yourself. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.

5:19That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So have you seen anything? You said, oh my gosh. Not yet. Okay.

5:32Ben Meiselas:Well, we'll check back with you. Now, we at the Midas Touch Network were able to get the first interview with Alex Eisenstadt, the reporter from Axios, who got this incredible exclusive. Here's what Alex told us. Let's play this clip. Hello, Alex Eisenstadt from Axios here. Tonight at Axios, we have an exclusive report. The DOJ says it has no evidence to suggest that disgraced financier convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein kept a client list, blackmailed any of his clients or that he was murdered. We have obtained a memo that was written by the DOJ and the FBI explaining these findings. further the FBI and the DOJ are releasing video footage from out that it says is from outside Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell the night he was killed the FBI and the DOJ have released this footage in two different versions one is in raw footage version the other is in sort of an enhanced version they say that this footage and it can be viewed yourself that it shows that there was no one that murdered Jeffrey Epstein when he was killed in 2019.

6:55So that's the reporting that we have tonight up on Axios. This is a really interesting thing for a couple of different reasons. One, the FBI is led by Kash Patel, Dan Bongino. And before they were at the FBI, I both of them were really important, conservative influencers, MAGA type influencers, activists and people who were very aggressive in terms of promoting the idea that there was some broader Epstein related conspiracy. Now that now that they're in government, they've tamped down a lot of how they speak when it comes to Epstein. They're now throwing cold water on the idea that there was ever such a conspiracy.

7:43Another reason why this is interesting is because a lot of the people who have propagated this idea that there was a conspiracy are actually in Trump's orbit beyond just Bongino and Patel. A lot of the conspiracy theories have emanated from sort of the more right leaning part of the Internet. And now you have the Trump administration kind of pushing back on that and saying, no, there's no evidence of a conspiracy.

8:14Ben Meiselas:Now, do you all remember back in, was it February, where the MAGA influencers all went to the White House and they were holding up the binders that said the Epstein files phase one? Remember that there were going to be multiple phases and they all said, here's the list. We've got the list. And it wasn't the list. It was just a call list of Epstein, by the way, which Donald Trump's name was on. We shouldn't forget what Elon Musk said in the past few weeks. Remember what Elon Musk wrote? Time to drop the really big bomb. Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

8:55Ben Meiselas:Have a nice day, DJT. Mark this post for the future. The truth will come out. Well, here we are right now in the future, and the Trump regime seems to be suppressing these files. And as I've said before, we know that Donald Trump is on all of the files that have been released to date. He's on Epstein's flight log at least seven times. Trump is in the depositions of Epstein sex trafficking victims. For example, there's a deposition where a victim says that she was with Epstein on the plane. And Epstein said, let's go to Atlantic City. And then Epstein called Donald Trump in her presence. Also, we know that Donald Trump is identified as Doe 174 in the Epstein civil cases and other cases.

9:42Ben Meiselas:And so if we wanted to get the Epstein files with Trump's information, we would say produce the records relating to Doe 174, who's Donald Trump. Also, at the Ghislaine Maxwell criminal trial, she was the sex trafficker for Epstein. there was a woman, someone who's now a woman at the time, was a girl, 14 years old, and said that Ghislaine and Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump when she was 14 years old and a girl. We also know that Virginia Giuffre, who died by suicide, was trafficked from Mar-a-Lago. She was homeless. She got a job in Mar-a-Lago when she was underage. And then Ghislaine found her at Mar-a-Lago, brought her to Epstein to give Epstein a massage.

10:29Ben Meiselas:And then that led to the sex trafficking of Virginia Giuffre after that, after then she was sexually assaulted and then she was sex trafficked by Epstein. But she was found at Mar-a-Lago. And of course, Donald Trump said Epstein's a great guy who likes women on the younger side. I mean, here we have this video of Donald Trump partying with Epstein. So you can just see for yourself. I mean, here, this speaks volumes. Let's play it. We're going to get great ratings in your show. Trump is surrounded by women as music blares in the background. After a while, Trump goes to greet three new guests, among them the financier Jeffrey Epstein.

11:09More than a decade before his guilty plea on state prostitution charges. Later in the footage, Trump is seen talking to Epstein and another man as women are dancing in front of them. Trump alternates between dancing and pointing out women to Epstein and the other man and telling Epstein about the cameras. Though exactly what they say is difficult to understand as they discuss the women and their appearances, Trump gestures to one and appears to say to Epstein, look at her back there. She's hot. and then trump says something else into epstein's ear that makes him double over with laughter but as the president says now he never liked epstein okay then you may remember what cash

11:59Ben Meiselas:patel said a little bit longer than a month ago regarding the epstein files he said the reason that it's being delayed is that they need to get it out in the right format remember this let's play this clip. The other thing on the internet is the Epstein files. What's the answer to that? The answer to that is the same as everything else. I'm not going to withhold information from the American public ever, but I'm also not going to rush to get it out there in a format in which they can't rely on it. So on the Epstein matter or any other matters, we are diligently working on that. And it takes time to go through years of investigations, years of political maneuvering in years of cover-up to get the American people what they deserve.

12:44And that's what I'm going to give them on everything.

12:46Ben Meiselas:Yeah. Now, do you remember when Donald Trump was still campaigning and he was asked by Fox if he would release the Epstein list? Remember how terrified he looked? Let's play this clip. Would you declassify the 9-11 files? Yeah. Would you declassify JFK files? Yeah. I did. I did a lot of it. Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would. I guess I would. I think that less so because, you know, you don't know it. You don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there because there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would. Now, let's also not forget a few weeks back what Pam Bondi said about the Epstein client list.

13:27Ben Meiselas:This was about two or three months ago. Here's what she said. Play this clip. I was briefed on that yesterday. I can't talk about that publicly, but, you know, President Trump has given a very strong directive and that's going to be followed. Wow. Okay. So a lot of documents. Yeah. Okay. All right. So people can expect actual movement on this. It's not just empty promises. Oh, Donald Trump doesn't make empty promises. I think promises made promises kept. Now you'll also recall that I exclusively interviewed Democratic Congress member Dan Goldman in mid-May, where he was calling out Pam Bondi for stonewalling the release of the Epstein files.

14:04Ben Meiselas:Here's what he told me. Play this clip. And so there was a mad dash and a big rush to release everything. And everyone was talking about it. And now there's radio silence and the begs the question, why has the attorney general gone dark on this? Why has Congresswoman Luna and others stopped calling for it? What is it that's in the Epstein files that they were so eager to have that now are just not being released according to the attorney general's promises of transparency, but are still there. And there's no explanation. And the concern I have, of course, is we know Donald Trump had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

14:53We know Jeffrey Epstein had numerous numbers for Donald Trump. And the question then is, was this some sort of directive from Donald Trump or someone on his staff or an agent of his to the attorney general to kill this? And that would be yet another pretty egregious act of corruption using his position as president for his own personal benefit. It is incumbent upon the Republicans currently in the majority to do their damn job, do their job and conduct oversight over the president of the United States. Stop sucking up to him so much.

15:31Ben Meiselas:And then, of course, back on March 4th, 2025, Bondi said that there was a truckload of evidence relating to the Epstein case. And then we should also not forget that was a few months ago as well. Bondi then tried to blame the SDNY, Southern District of New York, prosecutors and DOJ and FBI there for not turning over the files. Here's what she had to say. I want to get into this Epstein thing a little bit. I think the American people are very curious about who's on this list or these lists. You have been doggedly trying to get all the information. And now we learn, thanks to you, that you've been stonewalled by people in New York.

16:13Do you want to explain that? Yes, Mark. So as you know, we released about 120 pages of documents. And I started asking for these documents right when I came into office. and before Kash Patel was in there. So I ended up getting about 120 pages. We carefully redacted them, of course, to be sure that 254 young girls, women who are victims of sex crimes and sex trafficking, their personal information was redacted and out of there to protect them. So I'm going through it and I kept saying there has to be more. There has to be more. I'm assured that's it. Kash asked the same questions. Assured there's no more.

16:56Last I found out this week that a source told me New York SDNY, they're sitting on thousands of pages of documents regarding Epstein. Thousands, thousands. And of course, you've seen the very strong letter. We will get everything. We will have it in our possession. We will redact it, of course, to protect grand jury information and confidential witnesses. but the American people have a right to know. And Donald Trump is the most transparent president in our nation's history. So not only will America get the full Epstein files, they will get JFK, they will get Martin Luther King.

17:36Ben Meiselas:So folks, a lot of information right there to process, but the Trump regime and the DOJ saying the Epstein files do not exist, never existed. Epstein never blackmailed powerful men who were also involved in the sex trafficking ring. that's what they're going with right now after saying they were going to release the files. Tell me what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. Can't get enough Midas? Check out the Midas Plus sub stack for ad-free articles, reports, podcasts, daily recaps from Ron Filipkowski, and more. Sign up for free now at MidasPlus.com.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports that Donald Trump’s DOJ is now claiming the infamous list never existed and that there is nothing to turn over.

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