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The MeidasTouch Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title
Trump Fires Kristi Noem
Hosts
- Brett Meiselas
- Ben Meiselas
- Jordy Meiselas
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Episode Overview In this episode, Brett Meiselas reports on the significant news of Donald Trump firing Kristi Noem from her position as the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. The discussion highlights the circumstances surrounding her dismissal, including a disastrous Senate hearing that showcased her poor handling of various issues.
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Key Points
Trump’s Decision
- Firing Announcement: Kristi Noem was officially replaced by Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, effective March 31, 2026.
- Reason for Firing: Noem's recent Senate hearings were criticized, with both Democrats and Republicans expressing disappointment in her performance.
- Trump's Spin: Trump announced Noem would take on a new role as a special envoy for a project termed "Shield of the Americas," attempting to downplay the firing.
Senate Hearing Highlights
- Major Incident: During a pivotal Senate hearing, Noem attributed a controversial $200 million ad campaign to Trump's approval, which he denied, creating a rift.
- Republican Criticism: Noem faced severe scrutiny from Republican Senator John Kennedy and others for her handling of the DHS, including her management of ICE and Border Patrol, which resulted in public outcry over misguided detentions.
Notable Exchanges During Hearings
- Senator Kennedy vs. Noem: A tense exchange about the ad campaign, questioning its approval and the contractors involved.
- Senator Tillis's Disappointment: Criticized Noem for the lack of accountability concerning innocent individuals detained under her leadership.
- Representative Swalwell's Inquiry: Pressed Noem on disciplinary actions taken against ICE agents, which she struggled to quantify.
- Public Image Issues: Noem's handling of public relations was derided, including a controversial affair with Corey Lewandowski and bizarre spending habits, like a luxury jet purchase.
Mark Wayne Mullen as Replacement
- Overview of Mullen: Brief commentary on Mullen as an inexperienced replacement, characterized by past gaffes and questionable statements during his time as a senator.
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Key Takeaways
- Downfall of Noem: Highlighted as a reflection of the toxic political environment and internal party conflicts within the GOP, stemming from her handling of significant issues and public relations blunders.
- Implications for DHS: With Mullen taking over, concerns linger about the future of DHS and the potential continuation of problematic policies.
- Importance of Accountability: The episode underscores the necessity for accountability in government positions, especially in handling critical issues like border security and public safety.
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Closing Remarks Brett Meiselas encourages listeners to engage with the podcast and contribute to their growing subscriber base. The episode concludes with a reflection on the need for effective leadership within the Department of Homeland Security as the political landscape continues to evolve.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOKristi Noem Fired: Key Insights
1:48 to 4:25
Discussion on Donald Trump's decision to fire DHS Secretary Kristi Noem.
“Donald Trump has officially fired Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.”
Senate Hearings: Noem's Disastrous Performance
4:25 to 5:48
Analyzing the Senate hearing where Noem's handling was criticized.
“Here with Senator Kennedy, a grilling Noem on the$220 million worth of commercials she made that featured her prominently.”
Noem's Defense and Republican Criticism
5:48 to 11:46
Detailed examination of Noem's defense during her Senate hearing and the backlash she faced.
“The individuals who, I believe the careers who they chose were two different media firms.”
Investigating Domestic Terrorism Claims
14:01 to 15:28
The discussion revolves around the claims of domestic terrorism related to two individuals and the ongoing investigations.
“You said that they were domestic terrorists.”
Kristi Noem's Affair Allegations
15:34 to 17:06
A focus on Kristi Noem's alleged affair and the implications of her advisor's questionable history.
“And notably, what you'll notice in this clip is that Noam did not deny the affair, even with her husband sitting right behind her.”
Mocking Noem's Leadership
17:07 to 19:03
Representative Jared Moskowitz mocks Noem's leadership and brings humor into political criticism.
“It is okay for you to be offended by the question.”
Senator Mullen's Controversial Statements
19:04 to 20:56
Discussion of Senator Mullen's confusing statements and confrontational behavior in hearings.
“Senator, when you talked just now, you said this is war.”
Kristi Noem's Policy Failures
21:10 to 22:58
Analyzing Kristi Noem's failures during her tenure, particularly concerning disaster response.
“Now, let me just remind you of some of the other Kristi Noem lowlights.”
Transcript
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1:48Kristi Noem:So we've got some major breaking news, Justin. Donald Trump has officially fired Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. This is a major development that comes after Noem's disastrous hearings in front of Congress over the past few days, where she was ripped apart not only by Democrats, but by Republicans as well. My name is Brett Mycelos with the Midas Touch Network. Remember to hit subscribe now and help us get to 7 million subscribers. So Trump says that he is replacing Noem with Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, effective March 31st, and he's now spinning Noem's exit as Noem moving to be a special envoy role for some new project he's calling the Shield of the Americas.
2:24Kristi Noem:But make no mistake, Kristi Noem has been fired. After a disastrous Senate hearing this week where even Republicans turned on her, Noem became too radioactive to keep. Here's Trump's post. He just wrote, quote, I am pleased to announce that the highly respected United States Senator from the great state of Oklahoma, Mark Wayne Mullen, will become the United States Secretary of Homeland Security effective March 31st, 2026. The current secretary, Kristi Noem, who has served us well, has had numerous and spectacular results, especially on the border. We'll be moving to be special envoy for the Shield of the Americas, our new security initiative in the Western Hemisphere we are announcing on Saturday in Doral, Florida.
3:04Kristi Noem:I thank Christie for her serverless at Homeland, serving 10 years in the United States House of Representatives and three in the Senate. Mark Wayne has done a tremendous job representing the wonderful people of Oklahoma, where I won all 77 out of 77 counties in 2016, 2020 and 24, a MAGA warrior, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think you get it right there. Now, Noem's position collapsed quickly after she made what was considered a cardinal sin during her Senate hearing the other day. She had told Republican Senator Kennedy that it was Trump's idea for her to do this$200 million ad campaign that she starred in.
3:39Kristi Noem:Trump, it seems, felt like Noem was blaming him, and he claimed that he had nothing to do with that campaign. Here's a post from Fox correspondent Bill Mulligan. This is from before the firing, and he says the following. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem is now treading in some dangerous waters. She testified in the Senate this week that President Trump approved of and was aware of a$200 million ad campaign that featured her prominently. Trump now tells Reuters in a phone call he did not sign off on it. Quote, I never knew anything about it, Trump said. So that is what reportedly did it. It wasn't her horrific handling of natural disasters or her out-of-control use of ICE and Border Patrol, which resulted in the deaths of multiple Americans, but rather her blaming Trump for a massive ad campaign.
4:24Kristi Noem:So let's dive into the clips that ended Kristi Noem's career. Here with Senator Kennedy, a grilling Noem on the$220 million worth of commercials she made that featured her prominently. Play the clip.
4:36Brett Meiselas:But how do you square that concern for waste, which I share, with the fact that you have spent$220 million running television advertisements that feature you prominently?
5:00Donald Trump:sir the president tasked me with getting the message out to the country and to other countries where we were seeing the invasion come from with with putting commercials out that told them that if they were in this country illegally that they needed to leave or we would detain them and remove them and they'd not get the chance to come back to america the right way um that has been extremely
5:20Brett Meiselas:effective ask you to run these advertisements is that right we had that conversation yes before
5:27Donald Trump:I was put in this position and sworn in and confirmed and since then as well. Okay.
5:34Brett Meiselas:Did you bid out those service contracts?
5:39Donald Trump:Yes, they did. They went out to a competitive bid and career officials at the department chose who would do those advertising commercials.
5:47Brett Meiselas:And the people that you ended up picking were people who had formerly done your political work back in South Dakota. Is that right?
6:00Donald Trump:No, that's not correct, sir. I think it is. No, it's not, sir. The individuals who, I believe the careers who they chose were two different media firms. There's been conversation about their subcontractors, but we have no legal authority to look into subcontractors on work like that. Okay.
6:20Brett Meiselas:And you're saying that you're testifying that President Trump approved this ahead of time. Is that my understanding?
6:28Donald Trump:We had conversations about making sure that we were telling people. No, ma 'am.
6:33Brett Meiselas:I'm asking you, sorry to interrupt, but the president approved ahead of time you spending 220 million dollars running tv ads across the country in which you are featured prominently yes sir we went through the legal
6:49Donald Trump:processes did it correct the president know you're going to do this yes he did yes okay um and one thing senator i think would be helpful to know is how effective that communications has been that overwhelmingly in your name recognition um i mean i i personally just i mean to me it puts
7:11Brett Meiselas:the president in a terribly awkward spot and it it and i just i'm not saying you're not telling the truth it's just hard for me to believe you know the president as i do that you said mr president, here's some ads I've cut and I'm going to spend$220 million running them, that he would have agreed to that. I don't think Russ Vogt at OMB would have agreed to that. It's something we have to defend. I'm on the Appropriations Committee. I mean, my research shows that you did not bid them out. that you pick, in fact, one of the people you picked, the strategy group, I'm sorry, Safe America Media was a company formed 11 days before you picked them, and that the strategy group got most of the money, and the head of that is married to your former spokesperson.
8:18Brett Meiselas:Look, we all have friends who are qualified. I'm not quibbling with that. I'm just, it troubles me. A quarter, a fifth to a quarter of a billion dollars in taxpayer money when we're scratching for every penny and we're fighting over rescission packages. I just can't agree with Madam Secretary. Are you still running those ads?
8:43Donald Trump:No, Senator, I did not have anything to do with picking those contractors. I know politicals at the Department of Homeland Security did. I understand.
8:52Brett Meiselas:Are you still running those ads?
8:54Donald Trump:The competitive bid process. Are you still running those ads? I think the ads are due to end here in March, I think within a week or two. I'm not sure. The one that is running is focusing on angel families. Have you seen that? It is the one that's talking about this is our why. This is why we work every day is for the angel families and their victim.
9:13Kristi Noem:And that was just the tip of the iceberg. Here was Republican Senator Tom Tillis calling Noem a disaster, highlighting the innocent Americans being detained by ICE. Play the clip.
9:23Brett Meiselas:Security. So why am I disappointed with Secretary Noem? Because we're not going after enough people who did this damage at the expense of running numbers that Stephen Miller wants out of the White House. We just want numbers. We want a thousand a day, six thousand a day, nine thousand a day, because numbers matter, right? No, they don't matter. Quality matters, not quantity, quality. And what we've seen is a disaster. Under your leadership, Ms. Noem, a disaster. What we've seen is innocent people getting detained that turn out are American citizens. I could talk about the culture that's been created here.
10:03Brett Meiselas:With Stephen Miller aiding and abetting, I heard first reports that he was the one that said it was a domestic terrorist situation where two people lost their lives in Minneapolis. I've heard that report. Maybe you can refute it. I don't know that we'll have time for you to respond because I'm giving you a performance evaluation here. I'm not looking for a response.
10:23Kristi Noem:Now let's go through some other moments. Here's Democratic Representative Eric Swalwell asking Noam if anyone has been fired for the agency's failures. Play this.
10:32Brett Meiselas:Tell me then, has a single ICE agent or CBC officer, has a single ICE agent or CBP officer been disciplined since you've been Secretary of Homeland Security? As we've seen women dragged through their streets by their hair and thrown into unmarked cars. People chase through the fields and factories where they work. Public executions happening in our streets. Has a single ICE agent or CBP officer been disciplined?
10:59Donald Trump:Yes, they have.
10:59Brett Meiselas:How many?
11:00Donald Trump:I don't know the number. I can get that for you.
11:03Brett Meiselas:Do you think that number is important?
11:04Donald Trump:I think that it's wise and smart. And what we're doing is accurate according to the law by doing those internal investigations through the process that's set up. There's an Office of Professional Responsibility that does the investigation, and decisions are brought before the National Use of Force Board, and they review each incident as objectively outside of that law enforcement encounter and then give a decision for them.
11:29Brett Meiselas:Has anyone been fired? Has anyone lost their job?
11:31Donald Trump:There could be.
11:32Brett Meiselas:Well, I'm not asking if it could be. I'm asking, has anyone been fired?
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11:35Donald Trump:I'm certain that they have. That happens once in a while when there is a need for someone to be held accountable. For conduct related to enforcement actions.
11:42Brett Meiselas:actions.
11:43Donald Trump:We hold our law enforcement officers accountable and are grateful that they serve, that they put their lives on the line and also recognize that when these situations that they follow their training and the legality of the course to how they interact with the public.
11:55Kristi Noem:Here's Jamie Raskin asking Noam if she still considers Renee Nicole Good and Alex Preddy, the Americans killed by ICE, to be domestic terrorists. Noam refused to say no. Play the clip.
12:06Brett Meiselas:But only a few hours after they were gunned down by your agents, you called Renee a domestic terrorist. You said Alex committed an act of domestic terrorism. Alex's parents responded to your calling their son a domestic terrorist. They said the sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. And I want to give you a chance before the entire country to correct your false and defamatory claim based on what you know today, Madam Secretary. Were Renee Good and Alex Preddy domestic terrorists?
12:52Donald Trump:Congressman, what happened in Minnesota in those two incidents was an absolute tragedy.
12:58Brett Meiselas:Were they domestic terrorists, as you said to the country?
13:01Donald Trump:My condolences to their families, because I know that their lives will never be the same after that.
13:05Brett Meiselas:Is that an apology for what you said?
13:07Donald Trump:We, in those instances, offer as much information as we can from officers and agents on the ground in a chaotic scene that gets...
13:15Brett Meiselas:I'll repeat my question, reclaiming my time. Based on what you know today, Madam Secretary, based on what you know today, were Renee Good and Alex Preddy domestic terrorists.
13:28Donald Trump:As you know, there's ongoing investigations that are being led by...
13:31Brett Meiselas:Oh, but you didn't wait for the investigation, did you? You didn't wait for the evidence. You proclaimed that they were domestic terrorists at the time. Why did you do that?
13:39Donald Trump:And you didn't wait to attack our law enforcement officers.
13:41Brett Meiselas:Why did you do that?
13:42Donald Trump:We're going into a dangerous situation.
13:43Brett Meiselas:Why did you call them domestic terrorists?
13:44Donald Trump:Our ICE officers and our HSI officers that day risked their lives to protect that scene. So evidence could be reclaimed. So it could be used in the investigation. Because those violent rioters that were there.
13:55Brett Meiselas:So you're proud of the fact that you called them domestic terrorists? Is that what you're telling America?
13:58Donald Trump:HSI officers put their lives on the line to protect that scene. so evidence so we could have. Yes, they do. Yes, they do.
14:04Brett Meiselas:But you told a lie about them. You said that they were domestic terrorists. Do you regret that?
14:10Donald Trump:I offer my condolences to those family.
14:12Brett Meiselas:And based on what you know today, were Renee Good and Alex Breddy domestic terrorists?
14:16Donald Trump:There's ongoing investigations.
14:18Brett Meiselas:And so you still don't know. You think that's an open question?
14:21Donald Trump:I would think you would want there to still be investigations going into these situations.
14:24Brett Meiselas:Well, you stated the conclusion two hours after they were killed that they were domestic terrorist. I wanted to give you an opportunity to correct the record, not just for their family, but for everybody in America who believes in the truth and fairness and honesty.
14:38Donald Trump:In every situation, as facts come out, we relate.
14:41Brett Meiselas:You know, your acting ICE director, Todd Lyons, came before Congress. He said he had no knowledge whatsoever that Alex Preddy and Ray Good were domestic terrorists. None. This is your guy. He said that. He admitted that that was wrong. Why won't you admit it?
14:56Donald Trump:I will tell you the investigation is still ongoing. And we'll.
14:59Brett Meiselas:So do you regret speaking before the investigation?
15:02Donald Trump:I would say that in those situations. You regret that? Seen on the ground, we relay information to the American people that they're asking for. And as things change, situations change.
15:12Brett Meiselas:People were asking you whether they were domestic terrorists. And you decided that they were before the investigation.
15:17Donald Trump:As we learn more. You don't want to say anything to their families? I did. I said condolences. For what?
15:24Brett Meiselas:How about an apology for what you said about their loved ones?
15:28Donald Trump:My heart is with them and we will continue to stand with them as they get a complete investigation into these situations. All right.
15:33Kristi Noem:Next, Representative Kamlager Dove asked Noam about her reported affair with her advisor, Corey Lewandowski. And notably, what you'll notice in this clip is that Noam did not deny the affair, even with her husband sitting right behind her. Play the clip.
15:50Donald Trump:Trump knows that this guy is shady. Corey has a decades-long record of physical batteries, sexual harassment, illegal lobbying for a Venezuelan oil company, and bringing a loaded gun into a federal building. Despite being fired or removed from virtually every position he has ever held due to misconduct, he now wields unchecked, unconfirmed, undisclosed power over your department. This person has no experience running anything close to Department of Homeland Security or even advising someone in your position. He is unqualified, which again has left my constituents and I wondering why he is your top official.
16:34Donald Trump:So, Secretary Noem, at any time during your tenure as Director of Department of Homeland Security, have you had sexual relations with Corey Lewandowski? Mr. Chairman, I am shocked that we're going down and peddling tabloid garbage in this committee today. And ma 'am, one thing that I would tell you is that he is a special government employee who works for the White House. There are thousands of them in the federal government and is an advisor and has no authority to be making any decisions. It is okay for you to be offended by the question. But it is also a real question. And you should be able to answer the question clearly and without any hesitation if someone is asking if you or any federal official is sleeping with their subordinate.
17:25Donald Trump:That should be the easiest. You should be wanting to answer that question. Because it is not about your sex life. It is about your judgment. That kind of garbage has been refuted for years. It is about reclaiming my time so that I can hear myself.
17:39Kristi Noem:Time belongs to the gentlelady from California. Here's Representative Jared Moskowitz mocking Gnome over a story that she fired someone in the Coast Guard because he forgot to take her blankie on her plane. Play the clip.
17:51Brett Meiselas:200 miles of border walls being held up by you. They had to bring in Tom Holman, pull out of Minnesota. I think the country needs a national divorce from you on biblical grounds. I mean, if Donald Trump was still apprentice Trump, he would look at you and he would realize you're the weakness cabinet member and he would fire you.
18:07Kristi Noem:And if the president said to you that only way DHS could reopen is if you resigned, I hope you would take him up on it.
18:13Brett Meiselas:Now, I want to end on a happy note, Mr. Chairman, real quickly. You know, the president gave all sorts of stuff out during the State of the Union. I don't want you to leave. I got you a new Coast Guard blankie, the one you lost. OK, so this is for you. You don't leave empty handed when you come to judiciary. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18:28Kristi Noem:And now just to give you some quick insight on her replacement, Mark Wayne Mullen. He is, let's just say, not the brightest guy. Here's Mullen the other day talking about the Iran war. He called it a war, then tried to say that it wasn't a war. Play the clip.
18:43Donald Trump:Are there measures being taken not to eliminate other possible alternatives to leadership?
18:48Brett Meiselas:This is war and we're taking out the threat. And if you're part of the threat, then you have your target. What we call not all the arrows, but going after the archers. You'll concede this is war. We haven't declared war. They declared war on us. We haven't declared war. Secretary Hector. Senator, when you talked just now, you said this is war. They've called it war. They've called it war. What I was saying, okay, well, that was a misspoke. What I was saying, they've declared war on us, but war is ugly. It always has been ugly. But we're taking out a regime that's been trying to attack us for quite some time.
19:23Brett Meiselas:But you're not conceiving this is war. We have declared war. So if we haven't declared war, then I don't see that. The president hasn't asked us to declare war yet, but they have declared war on us. We're just simply fighting the threat that's been at our door for 47 years. Aren't you just according to the leader of that ask?
19:41Kristi Noem:Do you believe that that ask could be coming? An ask from - Here's Mullen at one of these hearings demanding that everybody say thank you to President Trump for being a strong leader. Just so embarrassing. Play the clip.
19:52Brett Meiselas:But you can't deny that this was a threat and an essential growing threat to the United States. And you want to say he's playing politics and you get the politics behind it, Mr. Peters? You guys are playing politics. You guys are the ones that are grandstanding. The president's doing his job as commander in chief. And I think at one time or next, we should say thank you. Thank you for being a strong leader. But there's no way in God's green earth you guys can never give the president, at least President Trump, any credit. Sorry. Thank you, sir. I'm out. I still got 40, 49 seconds.
20:36Kristi Noem:Here's Mullen in a 2023 hearing challenging the Teamsters president, Sean O 'Brien, to a fight in the middle of a hearing. Play this clip.
20:45Brett Meiselas:Sir, this is a time. This is a place. You want to run your mouth. We can be two consenting adults. We can finish it here. OK, that's fine. Perfect. You want to do it now? I'd love to do it right now. Well, stand your butt up then. You stand your butt up. Oh, hold it. Oh, stop it. Is that your solution? No, no, sit down. Sit down. You're a United States senator. Sit down. Sit down, please. Can I respond? Hold it. Hold it.
21:09Kristi Noem:If we can't.
21:10Brett Meiselas:No, I have the mic. I'm sorry. Hold it.
21:13Kristi Noem:Now, let me just remind you of some of the other Kristi Noem lowlights. Here was Noem falsely claiming that Alex Preddy was a domestic terrorist. This was despicable. Play the clip.
21:23Brett Meiselas:The White House has labeled the man who was killed in Minnesota. as a domestic terrorist. Is that something you agree with? And have you seen any evidence to back up that point?
21:31Donald Trump:When you perpetuate violence against a government because of ideological reasons and for reasons to resist and perpetuate violence, that is the definition of domestic terrorism. This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed an act of domestic terrorism. That's the facts.
21:51Brett Meiselas:Where's the evidence of his ideology, though? Drew Evans of -
21:54Kristi Noem:And if you recall, Noam was also recently under fire for wanting to purchase the$70 million luxury jet with a queen-size bedroom, a bar, and four flat-screen TVs. There was the incident Jared Moskowitz had mentioned, in which the person she's been allegedly having an affair with, Corey Lewandowski, fired a U.S. Coast Guard pilot after Noam's blanket was left behind on a plane. Noam would post things like this on her social media, images of paintings of herself on horses, asking what should be her official portrait. She'd always be dressing up in these different costumes, like she was constantly doing cosplay.
22:26Kristi Noem:And of course, she was disastrous in the face of natural disasters. Like when the floods hit Texas last year on July 5th, FEMA had received 3 ,000 calls from survivors, and only 1 % of those calls went unanswered. But that night, Trump and Noem decided to fire the people who handled those calls. By July 7th, 85 % of those calls went unanswered. Not only that, Noem did not authorize FEMA's deployment of urban search and rescue teams until more than 72 hours after the flooding began. So all in all, just a terrible, terrible, terrible run in her position. So there you have it. Kristi Noem is out.
23:06Kristi Noem:A stunning development. She will not be missed. And I'd like to be able to tell you that we'll be in better hands with Mark Wayne Mullen, but I cannot do that either. Thanks for watching. Remember to hit the like button, spread the word, and help us get to 7 million subscribers. See you soon.
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