In short
The episode argues that Democrats outmaneuver MAGA Republicans in the House Oversight Committee to force the DOJ to release Jeffrey Epstein-related records. It claims the subpoena was issued after a key amendment vote by Rep. Summer Lee, despite GOP attempts to block it during a recess. The host says the DOJ may delay, and that Republicans are using tactics like negotiating around Ghislaine Maxwell’s deposition date. Key claims include: Todd Blanche (Trump’s former defense attorney, now deputy AG) met with Maxwell and helped secure proffer immunity; Trump approved Maxwell’s transfer to a minimum-security prison; and GOP leaders are avoiding subpoenaing Alex Acosta, the 2007 Southern District of Florida prosecutor who negotiated Epstein’s non-prosecution agreement.
Notable examples
the August 19 DOJ deadline; subpoenas for Bill/Hillary Clinton and DOJ officials; and town hall comments by Rep. Mike Flood about transparency.
Guests
none mentioned in the transcript.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSubpoena to the Department of Justice
0:57 to 1:27
Discussion on the recent subpoena for the Epstein files issued by Democrats.
“Queen Carvania stood haloed by the morning sun.”
Subpoena to the Department of Justice
1:51 to 2:20
Discussion on the recent subpoena for the Epstein files issued by Democrats.
“By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things.”
Subpoena to the Department of Justice
2:23 to 7:42
Discussion on the recent subpoena for the Epstein files issued by Democrats.
“Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are eight, the nays are two.”
Democrats Outmaneuver MAGA Republicans
7:42 to 10:56
Analysis of the strategic moves made by Democrats regarding subpoenas and the Epstein case.
“at the Department of Justice, Todd Blanche, meets with Ghislaine Maxwell.”
Democrats Outmaneuver MAGA Republicans
11:02 to 12:08
Analysis of the strategic moves made by Democrats regarding subpoenas and the Epstein case.
“They're soft, chafe-free, and built to move.”
Democrats Outmaneuver MAGA Republicans
12:35 to 12:45
Analysis of the strategic moves made by Democrats regarding subpoenas and the Epstein case.
“he writes, the Epstein file subpoena is out.”
Follow-Up on Epstein Files
13:20 to 14:00
Details on the ramifications of the subpoena issued for the Epstein files.
“The committee also issued the subpoena for the DOJ.”
Legal Maneuvering in Ghislaine Maxwell's Case
14:00 to 15:10
Learn about the tactics being used to delay Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition.
“Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, to postpone the deposition until after the Supreme Court here's her petition for certiorari to get a new trial.”
Trump's Involvement and Statements
15:10 to 16:59
Explore Donald Trump's recent comments regarding Ghislaine Maxwell and his defense attorney.
“If we just released the Epstein files, if Bill Clinton's in the files and did horrible things, good, hold them accountable.”
Public Demand for Justice
16:59 to 18:56
Discuss the public's demand for the release of Epstein-related files and testimonies.
“And Donald Trump lies and goes, no, that just happens all the time.”
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MAGA Republicans and Their Tactics
18:56 to 21:30
Investigate how MAGA Republicans are addressing the Epstein case and their tactics.
“Yes, there's now a subpoena to the Department of Justice.”
MAGA Republicans and Their Tactics
22:36 to 23:04
Investigate how MAGA Republicans are addressing the Epstein case and their tactics.
“See our seven-day return policy at Carvana.com.”
MAGA Republicans and Their Tactics
23:37 to 24:03
Investigate how MAGA Republicans are addressing the Epstein case and their tactics.
“But I still want to look sharp and feel confident.”
Transcript
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3:18Ms. Simon votes aye. Ms. Presley? Ms. Presley votes aye. Mr. Garcia? Aye. Mr. Garcia votes aye. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman votes no.
3:35Mr. Biggs is not recorded. Mr. Biggs votes nay.
3:50Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are eight, the nays are two.
3:54Ben Meiselas:There it is. So the Democrats were able to outmaneuver the MAGA Republicans in the House of Representatives to get that subpoena issued to the Department of Justice to turn over the Epstein files. Now the Department of Justice just has until August 19th to turn over the Epstein files. Likely the DOJ will try to delay and obstruct. They're already calling in favors from the MAGA Republican Congress members who are the ones who are actually leading the oversight committee. I'll break down what took place. So now you have James Comer sending other subpoenas. Well, if we're going to subpoena the DOJ, then we're going to also have to subpoena Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.
4:37Ben Meiselas:And we're also going to subpoena James Comey and Bill Barr and Robert Mueller and have their depositions taken in connection with Jeffrey Epstein. But when I look at the list of who James Comer also wants to get documents, records, and depositions from, notably missing is Alex Acosta, the prosecutor who was from the Southern District of Florida, who cut the sweetheart deal with Epstein? I mean, literally the guy. Why didn't you subpoena that guy if you're actually after the truth? Oh, maybe he was be Donald Trump's labor secretary during the first administration. And maybe Acosta knows some additional secrets about Donald Trump as well.
5:19Ben Meiselas:I think that when the Democrats take power again or whatever the Democrats do next, get Acosta's deposition, laser focus there. I think Acosta knows a lot more about Donald Trump than even we know at this time. But take a look right here. Here's the subpoena to the Department of Justice. You'll see it right here. It's issued from the House Oversight Committee. It was dated yesterday. And you take a look at the documents that are being sought via this subpoena, all documents and communications relating or referring to Epstein, Delane, Maxwell, and further relating or referring to human trafficking, exploitation of minors, abuse or related activity.
5:58Ben Meiselas:All documents and communications contained within the case file regarding U.S. versus Epstein, regarding U.S. versus Ghislaine Maxwell. All documents and communications contained within the file pertaining to the investigation of Epstein by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida that resulted in the 2007 non-prosecution agreement between the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida and Mr. Epstein. Okay, well, then why wouldn't you also get the deposition of Alex Acosta, who was the United States attorney for the Southern District of Florida? But go on. It goes on to talk about all communications and documents relating to or referring to the U.S.
6:37Ben Meiselas:versus Epstein, U.S. versus Ghislaine Maxwell, and the investigation of Epstein that resulted in the 2007 non-prosecution agreement. All documents and communications between the executive office of the president, including the executive office of Joe Biden and the Department of Justice, including or referring to Epstein. That's what the GOP wanted in there. Let's get the Biden documents. Okay, get the Biden documents, get the Clinton documents. I don't care. Just release the freaking files right there. And by the way, Congress is trying to seek these because Donald Trump is deep sixing them and Donald Trump is trying to cover them up.
7:14Ben Meiselas:And finally, seven, It says all documents and communications relating or referring to the death of Epstein. So that's the subpoena right there. So I want to remind you of what went down. How was this subpoena issued? Because the MAGA Republicans were trying to block this from happening before they went on recess. Remember, MAGA Mike Johnson calls the recess because he wants to give Donald Trump space to be able to do what Trump's doing. Meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell, Trump's former criminal defense attorney, turned number two at the Department of Justice, Todd Blanche, meets with Ghislaine Maxwell.
7:46Ben Meiselas:Give her what's called use or proffer immunity during that meeting. Move Ghislaine Maxwell from Tallahassee to a minimum security prison in Southeast Texas as part of Donald Trump seeking the cooperation from Ghislaine Maxwell, ultimately, in my opinion, to cover up what she knows about Donald Trump while she petitions the United States Supreme Court for a new trial or to get the charges against her dismissed. But before MAGA Mike was able to call the recess, Democratic Congresswoman Summer Lee made this brilliant move in another House Oversight subcommittee. She saw that like the Republicans weren't paying attention.
8:25Ben Meiselas:They called this hearing. So she was like, okay, I want to add an amendment. Let's vote to release the Epstein files and let's subpoena the Department of Justice. And she knew it was right before the recess that she had the votes in the room, even from the MAGA Republicans there. So she pushed this vote. The MAGA Republican chair of this committee, he tried to pretend that the vote was actually to vote against releasing the files. It was like, we voted against it. She's like, no, no, no. We voted to release the files. And then the MAGA Republicans added in there a provision like, well, we want Bill Clinton and we want the files on Hillary Clinton and we want Biden's files.
9:05Ben Meiselas:And then the Democrats were like, Okay, sure. We're okay with that. Just a reminder, here's what happened at that committee hearing. Play this clip. This was before the recess. Play this clip. Now we will be calling up Ms. Lee's motion as amended. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. No. Any opinion of the, pardon? Any opinion, Chair? The no has it. recorded vote sir recorded vote is called for the clerk will read the call the roll mr gosar mr biggs
9:53miss mace miss mace votes i mr perry mr perry votes i miss bobert mr jack i mr jack votes i Ms. Lee. Ms. Lee votes yes. Mr. Bell. Aye. Mr. Bell votes aye. Ms. Simon. Aye. Ms. Simon votes aye. Ms. Presley. Ms. Presley votes aye. Mr. Garcia. Aye. Mr. Garcia votes aye. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman votes no.
10:27Mr. Biggs is not recorded. Mr. Biggs votes nay.
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12:34Ben Meiselas:Democratic Congress member Garcia, who's now the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, he writes, the Epstein file subpoena is out. The subpoena that oversight Democrats forced Republicans to vote on has been issued. We have asked for the files by August 19th. We are going to end this White House cover-up. Congresswoman Summer Lee, who was the one who did that brilliant maneuver, she goes, I introduced a motion to subpoena the Epstein files. We got the votes. Today we got the subpoena. The DOJ has two weeks to release the Epstein files to the oversight committee. Justice must apply to everyone, no matter how rich, powerful, or well-connected you The NBC reported the GOP-led House Committee subpoenaed the Clintons and several top former DOJ officials for testimony in Epstein.
13:20Ben Meiselas:The committee also issued the subpoena for the DOJ. That's how James Comer tried to, you know, act like he wasn't outmaneuvered by the Democrats. All right, we're subpoenaing Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Merrick Garland, James Comey, Bill Barr, Alberto Gonzalez, Robert Mueller, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch. Okay, subpoena those people. I'm not sure what they know. We're going to take their depositions. So let me just be clear what Comer's trying to set up. So we know what Comer already did with Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition, right? Democrats outmaneuvered the Republicans, got Ghislaine's deposition set for August 11th via subpoena, but then James Comer negotiated a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, to postpone the deposition until after the Supreme Court here's her petition for certiorari to get a new trial.
14:12Ben Meiselas:So they've indefinitely pushed that back, but Comer pretends, oh, look, we still want to have her deposition taken. We're negotiating in good faith. So that's how they're trying to get around that one. What Comer's trying to do here, I'm just letting you know their tactics. I used to be a litigator. I worked on stuff like this. I know what they're doing here. What Comer's going to try to say is, well, we want to have all these other depositions go first before the Department of Justice is required to turn it over. And if Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and all these other people are objecting to their subpoenas, it makes it look like the DOJ's objection is less bad.
14:51Ben Meiselas:So they're going to go, well, look, Clinton's objecting. Hillary's objecting. Look at all these people objecting. They're trying to hide it. So we need to get their information before the DOJ releases that. But we know this. We run the media now, the Midas Touch Network. We get more views than corporate news. So when they do that, we all know the hustle right here. We're all fine. If we just released the Epstein files, if Bill Clinton's in the files and did horrible things, good, hold them accountable. If Hillary Clinton's in the files and did horrible things, good, hold her. I don't care. I just want the freaking files right there.
15:22Ben Meiselas:I don't want Ghislaine Maxwell getting pardoned or commuted. I don't care what Ghislaine Maxwell has to say. She's a convicted sex trafficker and a known liar who's engaged in the most heinous conduct, just release the files. We need to all stay laser focused on that, folks. And you remember yesterday what Donald Trump said. This guy's on the ropes. He's feeling the pressure. He was at this weirdo Olympics event yesterday, and he was supposed to talk about the 2028 Olympics. But instead, he was talking about how his former criminal defense attorney, Todd Blanche, was speaking with Ghislaine Maxwell to protect the identities of people who may be hurt by something.
16:00Ben Meiselas:He's not talking about the victims. He's talking about the perpetrators. He's talking about perps. He's talking about people like himself. Here play this clip. I just have very highly thought of person respected by everybody. And I didn't talk to him about it, but I will tell you that whatever he asked would be totally appropriate. And it's not an uncommon thing to do that. And I think he probably wants to make sure that, you know, people that should not be involved or aren't involved or not hurt by something that would be very, very unfortunate, very unfair to a lot of people. But I will say this.
16:35Todd Blanche is one of the most highly respected people you'll ever meet. So I know this. I didn't discuss it with him, but anything he talked about with her or the fact that he did that, not unusual, number one, and most importantly, is something that would be totally above board.
16:52Ben Meiselas:And then Donald Trump utterly lied yesterday where he was asked, did you approve the transfer of Ghislaine Maxwell to the minimum security facility? And Donald Trump lies and goes, no, that just happens all the time. I don't know anything about it. It doesn't happen all the time that a convicted sex trafficker is moved to a minimum security facility with no guards where you have to get a waiver because sex traffickers are not permitted there. And then you send your number two lawyer, your number your former criminal defense attorney who you make the number two at the department of justice to make him defend you versus we the people of the united states todd blanche to cut this deal no this has never happened in the history of the united states before but here play this clip two questions for you one did you were you aware of and did you personally approve the prison transfer for galane maxwell that your justice department i didn't know about it at all no i read about it just like you did and do you believe that she is not a very uncommon thing.
17:48Do you believe that she's credible to be listening to? Your deputy attorney general sat down with her recently. Well, he's, let me tell you, he's a very talented man. His name is Todd Blanche. He's a very legitimate person, very high. I just have very highly thought of person, respected by everybody. And I didn't talk to him about it, but I will tell you that whatever he asked would be totally appropriate. And it's not an uncommon thing to do that. And I think he probably wants to make sure that, you know, people that should not be involved or aren't involved are not hurt by something that would be very, very unfortunate, very unfair to a lot of people.
18:26Ben Meiselas:Now, let me show you, because we the people demand justice. So at this town hall, you have Mike Flood, MAGA Republican from Lincoln, Nebraska. This is the one where he got booed ruthlessly by the people in his like plus 20 Trump district. And they were like, when are you releasing the Epstein Trump files? When are you releasing the Trump Epstein files? And he's like, we are committed to transparency. We're going to take Elaine's deposition. We're getting this. I'm going to show you the clip, but I want to let you know their tactic. Yes, the subpoena is issued. Yes, Democrats outmaneuver them. Yes, Democrats got Elaine's deposition.
19:01Ben Meiselas:Yes, there's now a subpoena to the Department of Justice. But you saw how James Calmer, that's how he talks, MAGA, Republican Congress member, House of the Oversight Committee, how he's derailed Ghislaine's deposition by negotiating a deal that they'll revisit the date of the deposition. They're saying, oh, it's just a negotiation. We're just cooperating. We'll just push it until after the Supreme Court makes their ruling. But then Ghislaine's going to say, well, I want a habeas petition and then I want to kick it. So she's going to try to kick her deposition with Congress until 2026 or indefinitely.
19:37Ben Meiselas:That's That's her tactic right there. Now, the DOJ tactic, again, I want to be clear so you know the tactic, is James Comer subpoenas Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and all these people. He says we need their information first before the DOJ produces their documents, and then that gets delayed for months and months and years, and they hope that the American people forget about what's taking place. Anyway, here's MAGA Republican Congressmember Flood so you can see for yourself how he's describing it. Play this clip. Next question. Why are you covering up the Epstein files?
20:17Ben Meiselas:Let's be very clear.
20:22Ben Meiselas:At the next pro forma session of the Congress, you'll find my name as a sponsor on a resolution from the House Rules Committee to release the Epstein files to protect the victims and not re-victimize them again. I support Jamie Comer, who is the House's Oversight Committee chairman, subpoenaing Ms. Maxwell later this month to come testify in Washington. I am for the release of those records. And then just so you know their bad faith, why wouldn't the MAGA Republicans subpoena Alex Acosta, Trump's labor secretary from his first administration, who was the guy who did the deal with Epstein in 2007, who did the non-prosecution agreement.
21:05Ben Meiselas:If you really wanted anybody's depot, you'd want Trump's, you'd want Epstein. He's dead. You'd want Ghislaine. She'll probably invoke the fifth if you want her at all. You want the files. You want Alex Acosta. You want the victims. I'd put victims first and files first. And then you can get all the other people and go from there. But that's what's taking place. We'll keep you posted every step of the way. Hit subscribe and let's get to 6 million subscribers. New Midas merch drop. Check out the latest Pro Democracy sticker packs, t-shirts, hats, sweatshirts, and more. All at store.midastouch.com.
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