Trump Gets Thrown Under the Bus by His Top Supporters

12 Jul 2025 · 16 min · 8 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that Donald Trump’s “top supporters” and even his former lawyer are “throwing him under the bus” over alleged suppression of Jeffrey Epstein-related records (including an “Epstein client list”) and possible cover-up of Trump’s connections to Epstein.

Guest backgrounds

No formal guests are interviewed. The episode cites statements from Trump-aligned podcasters/hosts on “The Flagrant Podcast,” MAGA TikTok users, Epstein-related figures (Epstein’s brother on Piers Morgan), and right-wing commentators including Candace Owens; it also quotes Trump’s former lawyer Alan Dershowitz and Trump biographer Michael Wolff.

Key claims

Documents/list are being suppressed; Trump is implicated in Epstein matters; supporters regret voting for Trump; Ghislaine Maxwell may have been considered for a pardon to prevent her from spilling secrets.

Notable examples

Trump as “Doe 174” in Epstein civil cases; Epstein on Trump’s plane/flight logs; Mar-a-Lago used to recruit/house trafficked girls (e.g., Virginia Giuffre at 17); Dershowitz says he knows suppressed names; Bill O’Reilly claims Trump said Epstein files can’t be released because it would expose rich/powerful men.

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Chapters

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Trump's Connections to Epstein

1:00 to 2:00

Discussion of Donald Trump's links to Jeffrey Epstein and related allegations.

“Donald Trump's top supporters and even his former lawyer are throwing him under the bus as he tries to cover up his dark and disgusting past.”

Podcast Hosts' Reactions

2:00 to 4:00

Reactions from podcast hosts discussing Trump's actions regarding Epstein.

“Now, on the flagrant podcast, and these podcast hosts, these are like the podcast bros, right, who voted for Donald Trump and pushed Trump in 2024.”

Old Trump Supporters' Dilemma

4:00 to 5:00

Former Trump supporters express their concerns about his connections to Epstein.

“then the war that I've been waging on liberals and everyone that has been completely insane, I plan to wage on Donald Trump if he cannot explain or make sense of this soon.”

Dershowitz's Claims

5:00 to 7:00

Alan Dershowitz discusses the suppression of documents related to Epstein.

“If we don't get accountability for the thousands of victims that were abused, who knows what type of crimes are talking.”

MAGA Supporters Speak Out

7:00 to 9:00

MAGA supporters express their disappointment with Trump over Epstein connections.

“Patrick's Day about this and the Kennedy files and the King files.”

Trump's Comments on Ghislaine Maxwell

9:00 to 11:00

Discussion about Trump wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well during her trial.

“Well, he said to us, which was important, and I thought it was good, he pressed him on it, you got to start with the criminals in terms of deporting.”

Discussion on Powerful Men and Allegations

14:03 to 14:31

The hosts discuss the implications of allegations against powerful men and express wishes for a specific individual's well-being.

“I'm wondering, do you feel that she's going to turn in powerful men?”

Discussion on Powerful Men and Allegations

15:29 to 15:49

The hosts discuss the implications of allegations against powerful men and express wishes for a specific individual's well-being.

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1:00Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump's top supporters and even his former lawyer are throwing him under the bus as he tries to cover up his dark and disgusting past. I've laid out Donald Trump's connections with Jeffrey Epstein in detail in many of the past videos that I've done. You can go out and check that out, how I go over meticulous detail Donald Trump appearing on deposition transcripts in Epstein civil cases. Donald Trump is Doe 174 in a case involving Epstein. Donald Trump is all over Epstein's flight log. Epstein was on Donald Trump's plane recently in 2024. Donald Trump was flying around in the Epstein jet that was wrapped with Trump 2024.

1:35Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump in 2002 said Epstein's a great guy who likes girls on the younger side. Mar-a-Lago was used to recruit girls who were sex trafficked by Epstein. For example, Virginia Giuffre working at Mar-a-Lago at 17. Ghislaine Maxwell, who Donald Trump wished well at her sex trafficking criminal trial, went to Mar-a-Lago, found Virginia Giuffre, brought her over to Epstein, Epstein sex trafficker. I can go on and on and on, but you get the point. Now, on the flagrant podcast, and these podcast hosts, these are like the podcast bros, right, who voted for Donald Trump and pushed Trump in 2024. Here's what they had to say.

2:12Ben Meiselas:They go, so where are the idiots, right? After Donald Trump is covering up the release of the Epstein list and saying it never existed, likely because Donald Trump's all over the files that are not being released. Here's what they say on the flagrant podcast. Let's play it. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? We have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things and are people talking about this guy that's great so we're stupid yeah we're we're the fucking idiots guys that is i think what is uh enraging people right now is it's insulting our intelligence like obviously the intelligence community is trying to cover it up obviously the trump administration is trying to cover up something changed because they ran on this idea of exposing it all yep yep all these guys had great ideas cockeyed cash damn he had clips dog.

2:58He had bars. He was ready to tear it all down. He was ready to tear down the entire FBI office. Shut down the Hoover building day one. Day one. That bitch still stand. And then he goes on, Joe Rogan, and he's like, listen, do you think if I had it, I wouldn't share it with you? I do. Yeah, I do. I do believe that 100%, especially when you're staring at me like, this, tell me that. Once you protect pedophiles, you are the most cockeyed person. So one or two things in my mind is a possible one, you're covering it up or two, nothing really happened and you exploited the of thousands of children to get your man elected.

3:31Ben Meiselas:So which one do you want here? Now, let's take a look at what a lot of MAGA supporters and others are saying on TikTok. Let's play this one. I voted for Donald Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024. I I am prepared to die on this hill. If Donald Trump is part of the Epstein list as why he has decided to pretend like it doesn't exist anymore, then the war that I've been waging on liberals and everyone that has been completely insane, I plan to wage on Donald Trump if he cannot explain or make sense of this soon. It's pointing to that he is implicated to the fullest degree. If he is going to pretend like this doesn't exist, Jeffrey Epstein isn't a big deal.

4:36What he said today, I was like, bro, get fucked.

4:42Ben Meiselas:Or how about this one right here? Let's play it. I'm a Trump supporter. And I'm going to tell you this right now. If this is the verdict, there's no Epstein client list. Then all of us that have installed Bongino and Cash Patel, the whole Trump administration, period. All they talked about was transparency. If we don't get accountability for the thousands of victims that were abused, who knows what type of crimes are talking. that I'm jumping ship and all of you should as well. We the people control this narrative. All right. So all I'm saying is that from Russian collusion to the impeachments to tax fraud cases, you name it, they threw everything but the kitchen sink at Trump.

5:35I've always said that even dating back to COVID, that this was all about protecting those from death sentences. We need to make a stand.

5:43Ben Meiselas:Now, Jeffrey Epstein's brother went on Piers Morgan, and this is what he had to say. Play this clip. What do you think they might be covering up for? So you think they're covering up for President Trump? Everybody is looking at little pieces of this and coming up with kind of theories, but people really take the time because there's a lot of facts. There's a lot of information. people who take the time and really investigate this thoroughly all come to the pretty much conclusion that maybe Trump was behind this. Wow. Maybe Jeff was killed to quiet him. You think President Trump has something to do with Epstein, your brother, being killed?

6:25I wouldn't write that off. Because if you look at all of the evidence we have and all of the facts, not opinions, and all the facts, that wouldn't be something I would dismiss.

6:40Ben Meiselas:Bill O 'Reilly, a very close friend of Donald Trump's, said that Trump told him that Epstein files can't be released because they would expose rich and powerful men. Again, O 'Reilly, very close with Donald Trump. Here's what he had to say. Play this clip. Talk to President Trump, man to man, eye to eye on St. Patrick's Day about this and the Kennedy files and the King files. It was all one conversation. And he said, and I agree, there are a lot of names associated with Epstein. It had nothing to do with Epstein's conduct. They maybe had lunch with them or maybe had some correspondence for one thing or another.

7:18If that name gets out, those people are destroyed because it's not going to be any context. Media doesn't care about context.

7:26Ben Meiselas:So you can't do that. Now, you know, the right wing podcast, Candace Owens. Here's what she had to say about all of this. Let's play it. It requires us to be so gaslit that we completely forget that nobody made more of a show of the Jeffrey Epstein files and the release of those files than the person sitting to the right of Pam Bondi. That's why we're here. Pam Bondi was the one who notoriously handed out binders to a bunch of online influencers on February 27th. Okay. That was supposed to be apparently phase one. And then too many of those influencers decided to pose in like cute pics with the binders.

8:08Okay. Like this, look at this influencer, cute pic, just me with the binder. See that it says in red print in case you can't see it, the Epstein files phase one.

8:20Ben Meiselas:Now here's another clip from the flagrant podcast where they all say they definitely regret voting for Donald Trump. Now here, play this clip. DM me back. You see what you see what your boy doing? You voted for this. I'm like, I voted for none of this. He's doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop the wars. He's funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget. He's increasing it. It's like everything that he said he's going to do, except sending immigrants back. And now he's even flip flopped on that, which I kind of like, but he's like, oh, well, we kind of need the people working in restaurants and we need our farmers.

8:57It's like everything that he said that he was going to do that he can't be really on. Well, he said to us, which was important, and I thought it was good, he pressed him on it, you got to start with the criminals in terms of deporting. I don't think he's, I don't even know if the criminals are getting sent back. I know there's a lot of people with, there's people with green cards getting sent back. There's people who aren't criminals getting sent back. I don't know if you're sending back the criminals first. You're definitely not going to go first. I don't know if you're sending them back at all.

9:20So nothing has happened. And you were more optimistic than I was because I judge him by his first four.

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10:56Ben Meiselas:As I mentioned at the outset of this video, Donald Trump's former lawyer, Dershowitz, here's what he has to say. He says, I know for a fact these docs and the list is being suppressed. This is Dershowitz. Dershowitz is Trump's own former lawyer. Play this clip. So let me tell you, I know for a fact documents are being suppressed and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them, but I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases, and I can't disclose what I know. But I hand to God, I know I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them.

11:41And that's wrong.

11:43Ben Meiselas:And just to remind you a little bit about Dershowitz, here was some of his connections with Epstein. Let's play it. You represented him in the criminal underage sex case. I never saw a young underage woman. Yet Epstein's former butler swore under oath that Dershowitz was at Epstein's residences at the same time underage girls were there. Were there young women in another part of the house giving massages when I wasn't around. I have no idea of that. Dershowitz did say he once received a massage at Epstein's mansion, but from an adult woman. I kept my underwear on during the massage. I don't like massages particularly.

12:20Ben Meiselas:Now, one of the other stories that broke this morning as well is that Donald Trump weighed pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell again. He wished her well for the fear that she would spill secrets about his decade long friendship with Epstein, according to Trump biographer, Michael Wolff. And then over here, we have Natalie Winters, who's on Steve Bannon's war room. Again, big Trump supporter, big MAGA person. She writes, MAGA rose because Americans were unsatisfied with establishment Republicans. Lying that accountability is found in press releases and meaningful politicking. We want prison sentences. The Epstein-less debacle is an affront to the foundation of the MAGA movement.

13:03Ben Meiselas:Here's what she has to say. Play this clip. As someone who has been on shows, co-hosted with a lot of the people, the clips that we've played of people who have called out Jeffrey Epstein for years and made millions of dollars off of it, it is absolutely reprehensible and it is a complete grift. And you have now, in their words, probably become the deep state. If you're going to run cover for this and you think that the MAGA audience is dumb enough to not, I don't know, be able to go back two months and see the comments you were making on Fox News. We need to get this right. I don't even know if I have faith in Pam Bondi anymore, but this is a really, really concerning moment for MAGA.

13:38Ben Meiselas:Yeah, I mean, destiny. And just to remind you of what Donald Trump said about Ghislaine Maxwell during her sex trafficking case, this is when he wished her well. Play this clip. And this is when he was considered pardoning her, by the way. And he just wished her well when he was nervous that she would potentially speak up. Here, play this clip. Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison. And so a lot of People want to know if she's going to turn in powerful people. I know you've talked in the past about Prince Andrew and you've criticized Bill Clinton's behavior. I'm wondering, do you feel that she's going to turn in powerful men?

14:11How do you see that working out? I don't know. I haven't really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach. And I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is. I don't know the situation with Prince Andrew. Just don't know. not aware of it.

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