In short
The episode discusses the death of Roy Black, a lawyer associated with Jeffrey Epstein’s 2008 plea deal, and links it to ongoing political/legal conflict over Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. It also alleges Trump is deflecting Epstein questions by blaming former President Obama, and claims Congress and the DOJ are acting to protect Trump.
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Key claims
Roy Black (age 80) died in Coral Gables, Florida. The House subpoenaed for a Maxwell deposition; Mike Johnson allegedly recessed Congress to delay. Trump’s DOJ leadership and Todd Blanche allegedly planned to meet Maxwell. The episode claims Epstein files may implicate Trump and cites multiple alleged victim accounts and media reports.
Notable examples
Alleged Mar-a-Lago involvement with a 14-year-old “Jane Doe,” Virginia Giuffre’s account, “towel girl” background, Trump on Epstein’s flight logs, and references to CNN footage and polling.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORoy Black's Death and Epstein Connections
0:57 to 1:48
Discussion about lawyer Roy Black's death and its implications.
“That first bite of your favorite sub, followed by ice-cold Pepsi.”
Roy Black's Death and Epstein Connections
2:19 to 4:08
Discussion about lawyer Roy Black's death and its implications.
“Folks, a lawyer by the name of Roy Black, who helped secure Jeffrey Epstein's controversial 2008 plea deal with the United States attorney Alex Acosta has just died.”
Trump's Oval Office Comments on Epstein
4:08 to 6:01
Analysis of Trump's remarks regarding Epstein and conspiracy theories.
“But Roy Black, the famed defense attorney for Rush Limbaugh, Epstein and others, dies after his career.”
Trump's Connections to Epstein's Crimes
6:01 to 7:45
Exploration of Trump's alleged involvement in Epstein-related crimes.
“Dude, what the hell are you even talking about?”
Victims' Stories and Testimonies
7:45 to 10:47
Sharing stories of victims and their encounters with Trump and Epstein.
“As we wrote on the Midas Touch account, whatever is in those Epstein files about Trump must be absolutely horrific.”
Congress and the Epstein Investigation
10:47 to 12:37
Discussion on Congress's actions regarding the Epstein files.
“I've showed you articles from 1997, the Sunday Mirror in the United Kingdom, which talked about how Ghislaine Maxwell would present young girls and young women to Donald Trump.”
New Footage and Polling Data
12:37 to 14:03
Review of new footage of Trump and insights from polling data.
“Pam Bondi says, I have communicated her directly with counsel for Maxwell to determine whether she would be willing to speak.”
Trump's Corruption and the Epstein Connection
14:03 to 14:33
Exploring how Trump's actions around Epstein reflect broader corrupt practices.
“Epstein files and the way Donald Trump has handled this and the cover up is a lens into Donald Trump covering up everything else as well.”
New Footage and Poll Insights
14:33 to 14:59
Discussion on new video footage of Trump with Epstein and polling data.
“Well, now we also see from CNN, they got more exclusive video footage and photos of Donald Trump partying with Epstein.”
Trump's Polling Decline Among Young Voters
14:59 to 16:21
Analysis of Trump's declining popularity, especially among younger voters.
“Only 30 % of 18 to 29-year-olds have a favorable view of Donald Trump.”
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Trump's Misinformation Tactics
16:21 to 17:33
Overview of Trump's deceptive claims about drug prices and political blame.
“They're not conceivable because the furthest they can go down is 100%.”
Obama's Response to Trump’s Allegations
17:33 to 19:41
Reviewing Obama's statement addressing Trump's unfounded claims and the importance of response.
“Obama cheated on the election and we have it cold, hard, blue, and it's getting even more so because the stuff that's coming in is not even believable.”
The Need for Stronger Pushback from Obama
19:41 to 20:46
Argument for Obama to be more vocal and proactive against Trump’s misinformation.
“Obama out there more pushing back against Donald Trump because every time he does it, he does it so effectively.”
The Need for Stronger Pushback from Obama
22:38 to 23:30
Argument for Obama to be more vocal and proactive against Trump’s misinformation.
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Transcript
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2:19Ben Meiselas:Folks, a lawyer by the name of Roy Black, who helped secure Jeffrey Epstein's controversial 2008 plea deal with the United States attorney Alex Acosta has just died. He died at the age of 80 in Coral Gables, Florida. So he was 80 years old, but Epstein's lawyer dying right now. And granted, he was 80, but let's just follow the facts about what else has happened in the past 24 hours. And I'm not just getting conspiratorial here. Here are the things that happen. Epstein's lawyer has just died, number one. Number two, the House of Representatives issued a subpoena despite MAGA Mike Johnson trying to block it.
3:03Ben Meiselas:They issued a subpoena to have Ghislaine Maxwell be deposed in the House of Representatives. MAGA Mike Johnson then threw the House into recess, said, go home. We're shutting down the business of Congress right now to give Donald Trump the time and space to deal with Ghislaine Maxwell and the Jeffrey Epstein files. Donald Trump orders his Department of Justice head, Pambandi, the attorney general, and Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's former criminal defense lawyer, now the deputy attorney general. He orders them to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. They post public messages saying they will be meeting directly, Trump's AG and Trump's deputy AG meeting directly with Ghislaine Maxwell right now.
3:48Ben Meiselas:And that also follows Donald Trump firing the lead prosecutor in Ghislaine Maxwell's case and in Epstein's case, Maureen Comey, who Donald Trump blamed Maureen Comey's dad as the perpetrator of what Donald Trump's been calling the Epstein hoax. And now Epstein's lawyer just died again at the age of 80 could have absolutely nothing to do with all of the facts that I just said. I want to be clear about that. But Roy Black, the famed defense attorney for Rush Limbaugh, Epstein and others, dies after his career. Just a reminder for you about the deal and about the situation. Here was a kind of a little bit of a recap of what happened over here.
4:32Ben Meiselas:Let's just play this video. The women were not consulted or allowed to weigh in on that decision and their attorneys argue that's a violation of the Crime Victims Right Act of 2004. Pardon me. Now, Epstein's attorney, the well-known Roy Black, appeared in court. He said the written negotiations between Epstein and the prosecution that resulted in that no charge should not be made public in this civil rights violation case. We are here because these are important issues for the client. And I don't mean to make light of that, but these are important issues, both for crime victims, for defendants, for defense lawyers, for prosecutors.
5:09These are important things that the courts are going to have to wrestle with. Congress passed the statutes that have to be followed, and the court now is going to have to determine what are the contours of that. And what we really want is for the victims to have fair rights in court. Everybody's always catering to the defendant, and before the defendant gets a sweetheart deal, maybe we can prevent some of that if the victims were given the rights that the legislature says they deserve.
5:33Ben Meiselas:Now, yesterday, Donald Trump in an Oval Office press conference with the president of the Philippines was asked some questions about Epstein. Donald Trump responded saying, I don't really follow that too much. The real hoax you all need to focus on, he goes, is Obama. Obama's responsible, Trump says, for something that Trump refers to as Russia, Russia, Russia. He goes, Russia, Russia, Russia. There was a Russia coup, a Russia coup. Dude, what the hell are you even talking about? We know you love Vladimir Putin right now. We heard you back in 20. First of all, why are you whining about 2016? You freaking baby.
6:12Ben Meiselas:Number two, we heard you back then say, Russia, if you're listening, find the emails. We heard you say that. And all of your actions since then, I don't even need to look at the secret files and the dossiers. I don't give a crap about that. I watch what you do in public. I can see what you do in public. So here's what Donald Trump said there. Let's play it. No, I have no concern. He's very he's a very talented person. He's very smart. I didn't know that they were going to do it. I don't really follow that too much. It's it's sort of a witch hunt, just a continuation of the witch hunt. The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold.
6:52Tulsi Gabbard, what they did to this country in 2016, starting in 2016, But going up all the way, going up to 2020 of the election, they tried to rig the election and they got caught. And there should be very severe consequences for that.
7:09Ben Meiselas:OK, now, Donald Trump also in this bizarre Oval Office press conference with the leader of Philippines, by the way, The leader of Philippines is the son of the dictator from 1972 to 1981 who killed and disappeared thousands of people from the Philippines. And by the way, Donald Trump's like great family. You come from big fan of your dad, like big fan of your family. By the way, as the current president tried to distance himself from that, I'll just say that. But here Donald Trump then says, we found absolute proof, better than absolute proof, that Obama is a criminal and this is what you need to focus on.
7:48Ben Meiselas:Obama did it. Hillary Clinton did what? What are you talking about? Like, for real, are you that desperate? As we wrote on the Midas Touch account, whatever is in those Epstein files about Trump must be absolutely horrific. Here, play this clip. But what we found is even more so that we found absolute. This isn't like evidence or this is like proof, irrefutable proof that Obama was sedacious, that Obama was trying to lead a coup. And it was with Hillary Clinton, with all these other people. But Obama headed it up. And, you know, I get a kick when I hear everyone talks about people I never even heard of.
8:28It was this way. No, no. It was Obama. He headed it up. And it says so right in the papers. Got everything. Got everything. This is the biggest scandal in the history of our country. And it really goes on to even the auto pen, because it all relates to the same thing. It all started the same sick minds. You have an auto pen, which is a tremendous. Well, we don't have a president. We have an auto pen that signs everything. I'll bet you sign everything. You don't have auto pens.
8:57Ben Meiselas:But here's the thing. regardless of whatever is in the Epstein files, right? We know from what's been released, it's absolutely horrifying. The facts that are out there already are as damaging and as devastating as you can be. As I've said, if you have a pie graph and there's 100 % in the pie, if 10 % of the Epstein files have been released thus far in civil and criminal and administrative and other actions like that, Donald Trump's name appears all over the existing files and not in innocuous ways, in very dangerous and devastating ways. For example, a civil case involving a 14-year-old girl says she was brought to Mar-a-Lago by Epstein and Ghislaine.
9:44Ben Meiselas:Epstein shows her off to Donald Trump and says, what do you think about this one? She was a Jane Doe, another 14-year-old. It may have been the same 14-year-old Jane Doe in the criminal case involving Ghislaine Maxwell said she was brought to Mar-a-Lago and showed to Donald Trump. Maria Farmer, who was a victim sexually assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein, she says she was in Epstein's office. Donald Trump walks into the office. Donald Trump looks her up and down while she's in gym clothes. And then Donald Trump looks at her and Epstein goes, no, no, that's not the one for you. Go into the other room, go into the other office room.
10:20Ben Meiselas:She said she observed that. As I mentioned, Virginia Giuffre, underage girl, towel girl. She's since died by suicide. She worked at Mar-a-Lago's spa as a, the spa as a towel girl. Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein lived down the block. They would walk over and then they would, they found her as the towel girl underage who was previously homeless before getting this job in Mar-a-Lago. That was Epstein's MO preying on destitute and homeless little girls, found her and then sex trafficked her. I've showed you articles from 1997, the Sunday Mirror in the United Kingdom, which talked about how Ghislaine Maxwell would present young girls and young women to Donald Trump.
11:03Ben Meiselas:And they talked about, they called her Madame Maxwell in 1997. I mean, you have Donald Trump all over Epstein's flight log. Epstein was on Trump's planes. We know from Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein, that Donald Trump and Epstein were close friends and Trump was at Epstein's office frequently. We know from Epstein's potential biographer, Michael Wolff, that Epstein said that he and Trump were best of friends. Wolff says that he saw photographs of Donald Trump with a stain on his crotch with naked girls of indeterminate age on his lap. He said Epstein showed him those photos. I mean, what's out there?
11:45Ben Meiselas:We know, for example, that Donald Trump and Epstein would throw parties at Mar-a-Lago where they would just bring in like 30 girls from the pageants that Trump would throw just for those two. I've showed you unearthed video of some of those pageants. I've showed would you unearth video of a guy named Uncle Luke from the band Two Live Crew who went to one of these parties, him, Eddie Murphy, and Mike Tyson. And he said, Uncle Luke, by the way, who would go to crazy parties in the 1990s in Two Live Crew, he said this was too depraved for him, and he saw underage girls. And he said it looked like the Tom Cruise movie Eyes Wide Shut, he said.
12:25Ben Meiselas:So he had to just leave and get out of there. So what we know is pretty freaking damaging. Just think about what I just told you. That's what's out there. Oh, and Donald Trump's Doe 174. Think about what's not out there yet. There's 300 gigabytes. So just release the files. Yeah. Pam Bondi says, I have communicated her directly with counsel for Maxwell to determine whether she would be willing to speak. I anticipate meeting with Ms. Maxwell in the coming days. Why the hell is our attorney general meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell? And why the hell is Congress shutting down business to cover this up for Donald Trump.
13:00Ben Meiselas:Here we have Democratic Congress member Garcia, Robert Garcia. He's the new ranking member of the Oversight Committee for the Dems. And he says, we're going to keep on talking about the Epstein files forever. We're not done talking about this until they get released. Play this clip. He's hoping, I guess, that he will outlast everyone through August. Do you think he can? Absolutely not. In fact, we're going to keep talking about the Epstein Files until Donald Trump releases them. What's happening right now is the American public are seeing that Donald Trump has betrayed them. He's broken their trust.
13:33He ran on the Epstein files, the key part of his campaign. The MAGA world did as well. His family talked about it constantly. Don Jr. tweeted about it dozens of times. They have been focused on the release to the public and to build goodwill among his base. He is now completely reversed on that. And if Donald Trump or Mike Johnson think Democrats are just going to roll over and allow that to happen? They are
13:57Ben Meiselas:highly mistaken. And here's Congress member Garcia again, Democrats saying, also with the Epstein files and the way Donald Trump has handled this and the cover up is a lens into Donald Trump covering up everything else as well. Play it. Democrats, yes, we need to focus on health care. Yes, we need to focus on tax breaks for the rich, which we oppose. But this is about corruption. At the end of the day, this leans into Americans understanding that Donald Trump is corrupt. He's not for you. He will lie to you. He will betray you. And he's only in it to save himself. And that's what this moment's about.
14:32Ben Meiselas:All right. Well, now we also see from CNN, they got more exclusive video footage and photos of Donald Trump partying with Epstein. Lots of new footage there. I'll do a whole video as well on how Ghislaine Maxwell fears for her life. I'll talk about some of the new video footage of Donald Trump partying with Epstein that CNN got their hands on. But you take a look at the polling data right now on Donald Trump. The latest YouGov poll has Donald Trump's unfavorables with 18 to 29-year-olds. Get this at 70%. Only 30 % of 18 to 29-year-olds have a favorable view of Donald Trump. Donald Trump's overall unfavorability is 56%.
15:15Ben Meiselas:If you look at the YouGov graph on the way the American people view Donald Trump's handling of inflation, which is a net negative 29%, I mean, a massive negative approval when it comes to Trump's handling of inflation, it literally looks like a Melania meme coin, like just a complete crash. And by the way, Even among white Americans, Donald Trump was previously at 61 percent approve amongst white Americans. And now as of July 18, 2025, amongst white Americans, which was his core base, I suppose, although that's crazy to me. That shouldn't be that crazy to me, actually, knowing. But it's only 50 percent approve, 50 percent disapprove among moderates, 66 percent disapprove.
16:01Ben Meiselas:And I mean, just look at how phony and vile he is. Right. He gave this speech yesterday in front of the Republican congressional delegation after they shut down Congress. And Trump's like, here's what we're doing for prescription drug prices. Here's what you got to tell the American people. Ready? Are you ready? We're lowering prices one thousand percent, six hundred percent, fifteen hundred percent, five hundred percent numbers that aren't even conceivable. They're not conceivable because the furthest they can go down is 100%. That would make it$0. You don't understand the concept of numbers.
16:39Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. And this is for the people in this room, because this is something that nobody else can do. We're going to get the drug prices down, not 30 or 40%, which would be great, not 50 or 60. No, we're going to get them down 1000%, 600%, 500%, 1500 % numbers that are not even thought to be achievable because I've used a certain talent that I have and convinced the drug companies that you have no choice. I mean, how is that not disqualifying right here? Oh, and then Donald Trump says at that meeting with the congressional Republicans, he goes, every time that Democrats or reporters or your constituents, if they talk about the other topic, meaning Epstein, you need to just say Obama, just say Obama, blame Obama and accuse Obama of a crime.
17:33Ben Meiselas:Here he is saying it in his own words. Let's play it. Obama cheated on the election and we have it cold, hard, blue, and it's getting even more so because the stuff that's coming in is not even believable. So and you should mention that every time they give you a question that's not appropriate, just say, oh, by the way, Obama cheated on the election. You'll watch the camera turn off instantly. And finally, we see this report out from Goldman Sachs, how the U.S. economy is headed into a period of noticeably slower growth as a result of the tariff impact on inflation and consumer spending now going down.
18:13Ben Meiselas:And we see, as I've said, all of these landmines right now across the United States economy, each one that could explode and have a cascading effect. Oh, I should mention this before I go. Former President Obama issued a response to Donald Trump calling for Obama's arrest and calling Obama treasonous for some made up story from 2016. Here's what Obama says. Out of respect for the office of the presidency, our office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of this White House with the response, but these claims are outrageous enough to merit one. These bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction.
18:54Ben Meiselas:Nothing in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election, but did not successfully manipulate any votes. These findings were affirmed in a 2020 report by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, led by then Chairman Marco Rubio, statement from the office of former President Obama. Rubio justified those findings. But the one part where I have to say I disagree with Obama is where he goes, because Donald Trump has a constant flow of misinformation. Our office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense.
19:34Ben Meiselas:I think you have to respond to it. It doesn't mean you're dignifying it. I think every time Trump says it, you got to be out there. And personally, I would like to see former President Obama out there more pushing back against Donald Trump because every time he does it, he does it so effectively. But if you don't respond to the constant stream of misinformation, It ends up becoming the reality, even though it's false, based on the way our corporate news is here in the United States. So you have to come out. You have to be on the offense 24-7. You have to push back. You can't just show up anymore the way Obama does, in my opinion, respectfully, October before an election.
20:14Ben Meiselas:He gives the best speeches or the occasional speech that he'll give right now at a university. Those are great, but you can't just do two of them in six months or wait till the election year. And I get it. He's a former president. He's got, you know, you're supposed to, most former presidents just kind of exit and sail into the sunset and live lives quiet, but show up at major bad. I just think we're in different times personally. And I say that I'm a big Obama fan. I just think we need to see more of him as my own view. Tell me what you think in the comments below as well. Hit subscribe. let's get to 6 million subscribers.
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