In short
The episode argues that Donald Trump’s Venezuela policy is catastrophic and authoritarian, claiming he plans to seize Venezuela’s oil while keeping Maduro’s regime in control and sidelining democratic opposition.
Guests
No specific guests are named in the transcript.
Guest/participant backgrounds mentioned
Speakers include U.S. lawmakers Marco Rubio, Jim Jordan, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Maria Salazar (all described as MAGA Republicans/Cuban- and Venezuelan-community representatives in South Florida). The episode also references Pope Leo and Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado.
Key claims
Trump “misspoke” about working with Delcy Rodriguez/Maduro’s circle; Machado was “thrown under the bus.” The episode claims Rubio says no congressional approval is needed because it’s “not an invasion,” and it links Venezuela actions to future targets like Cuba.
Notable examples
Machado’s alleged election fraud rhetoric; Trump’s “Don Rowe Doctrine” post; Pope’s call for Venezuela independence; Rubio’s “arresting a fugitive” framing; Jordan’s spy balloon comparison; Trump pardoning Juan Orlando Hernández.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Troubles in Venezuela
0:30 to 2:04
Discussion on Trump's controversial plans regarding Venezuela.
“Last year, I went through many different life changes.”
The Opposition's Response
2:04 to 4:28
Analyzing the reactions from Venezuelan opposition leaders to Trump's statements.
“People said, no, Donald Trump didn't really mean that.”
MAGA Republicans and Their Support
4:28 to 6:40
Exploring how MAGA Republicans react to Trump's plans and statements.
“But it was all in vain how Trump fixed on a Maduro loyalist as Venezuela's new leader.”
Rubio's Position on Cuba and Venezuela
6:40 to 8:00
Discussion about Marco Rubio's statements on Cuba and the Trump administration's agenda.
“She's a very nice woman, but she doesn't have the respect to be the leader.”
Jim Jordan's Defense of Trump
8:00 to 11:40
Analyzing Jim Jordan's defense of Trump's actions regarding Maduro and drug policy.
“And I am convinced there's going to be a transition.”
Trusting Trump: MAGA Republicans' Perspective
11:40 to 14:02
Exploring the unwavering trust of MAGA Republicans in Trump's decisions.
“I mean, that's the reality of it is that we do know that China is doing its most aggressive military training exercises by Taiwan right now.”
Trusting Trump's Leadership
14:02 to 16:45
Discussion on Congress members' trust in Donald Trump's decisions and their implications.
“I just trust whatever Donald Trump says.”
Transcript
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2:04Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump is having an awful Sunday morning as people across the world and here in the United States are letting Donald Trump know what they really feel about him taking over Venezuela so he could seize the oil and keep other stooges from Maduro's regime still in power so that Donald Trump could work with the other authoritarians there to take the oil for himself. You know, the Venezuelan community in the United States, they were saying, did Donald Trump misspeak when he said he wants to work with the current vice president, now president of Venezuela, Maduro's right hand, Delcy Rodriguez, and Donald Trump threw Machado, the opposition leader, under the bus.
2:47Ben Meiselas:People said, no, Donald Trump didn't really mean that. He didn't mean that. He wants his own authoritarians in Venezuela. He doesn't want a democracy in there because he wants the oil for himself that he can share with Putin. Don't you realize that that's Donald Trump's plan right here? And you think Donald Trump could take that action without coordinating that with Putin? Come on, Let's get real here. So here's how it's being reported in The Economist. Venezuelans at celebration parties in Miami cannot believe it, insisting that Trump must have misspoken during his press conference. You think he was misspeaking when he said, I want their oil, like 20 times during that press conference?
3:27Ben Meiselas:His plan appears to be for Venezuela to remain under the day-to-day control of Maduro's people, with its democratically elected leaders excluded and its wealth controlled by American corporations. Then there's a lot of articles today highlighting what we've highlighted here on the Midas Touch Network, how Machado, the opposition leader who backed Edmundo Gonzalez, who most people believe won the July 2024 election with 70 % of the vote, that she basically said everything that Donald Trump wanted to hear. Ms. Machado, that's the main opposition leader in Venezuela, who all of the Trump bootlickers said, Trump's going to put her in power and she's going to run Venezuela as a democracy.
4:13Ben Meiselas:This is what's going to happen. Ms. Machado had gone out of her way to please Trump calling him a champion of freedom, mimicking his talking points on election fraud in the United States, and even dedicating the Nobel Peace Prize to him. But it was all in vain how Trump fixed on a Maduro loyalist as Venezuela's new leader. Nicolas Maduro balked at a gilded exile. U.S. officials then saw a more pliant option in his vice president, Delcy Rodriguez, known for stabilizing Venezuela's economy. So Trump went all in on basically Maduro's right hand or one of the people in the regime, Delcy Rodriguez, and threw Machado under the bus.
4:59Ben Meiselas:The article goes on to talk about as well how Maduro's constant dancing was one of the reasons why Donald Trump decided to invade Venezuela. And then White House settled on Delcy as an acceptable candidate, and they believe that she would be a good figurehead for Trump to run the country with and that she would allow the oil companies to extract the oil for the United States. Although she came out with a statement right away saying that Maduro is the only president and she demonstrated swift defiance, as the Times reports. Her swift defiance of Mr. Trump made clear that his plans to swoop into South American nation and run it as his own, face many more hurdles than he suggested.
5:45Ben Meiselas:But I just want to show you this right here quickly. This is when Donald Trump threw Machado under the bus and said that she doesn't have the respect of the Venezuelan people. I just want to be clear. You can have different views about Machado and especially the fact that the way she's been behaving with Trump, things that she's been saying lately, total, totally, I think you could be very critical of. It does seem, though, that when she backed Mundo Gonzalez in the 2024 election, they won that election. Most people believe in Venezuela. So the fact that Donald Trump said she doesn't have the respect, she's a nice lady, but doesn't have the respect of the Venezuelan people.
6:24Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. Are you less aware of the location of opposition leader Machado and have you been in contact with her? No, we haven't. Mr. President, on Monday. Oh, I think it would be very tough for her to be the leader. She doesn't have the support within or the respect within the country. She's a very nice woman, but she doesn't have the respect to be the leader. So then you have the kind of usual Trump bootlickers, and here they are in Florida. You have MAGA Republican Congress member Diaz-Balart. He's standing next to Congresswoman Salazar. And they're asked. So I guess you all don't support Marina Corina Machado, right?
7:04Ben Meiselas:Because Maria Corina Machado because we all heard what Donald Trump said and you all said you support this plan with Donald Trump 100%. So you all, right? And these are Cuban exiles. They represent their family left Cuba and they represent the Cuban and Venezuelan communities in Southern Florida. So watch what MAGA Republican Diaz-Balart says here. Play this clip. Why are you not willing to support Maria Corina and Armando? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Hold on a second. First, you're talking to us? When have we ever not supported it? No, no, no, no. But let's look. These are serious issues.
7:45Do not put words in my mouth. And do not. No, no, no. Wait. But you said us. You said us. You said us. Okay. But it's very, I will not tolerate putting words in my mouth or my colleague's mouth. We have been consistent from day one. And I am convinced there's going to be a transition. We already talked about that. And I'm convinced that when there are elections, whether there are new elections or there's a decision to take the old elections, the last elections, that the next democratically elected president of Venezuela is going to be Maria Corina Machado.
8:22Ben Meiselas:Meanwhile, Donald Trump has been posting images of himself saying the Don Rowe Doctrine. He's holding like a bat or a club that says the Don Rowe Doctrine. This is actually a post from Trump's official rapid response account. You see this photo? It says the Don Rowe Doctrine, and it's Donald Trump stepping on Canada and South America, saying that basically this belongs to him. That's what Donald Trump is doing. And as Donald Trump does that, he's getting criticized by the Pope. And the Pope, Pope Leo, said that Venezuela must remain independent. He called for respect of human rights and basically said that he does not support an occupation of Venezuela by the United States in the Trump regime.
9:07Ben Meiselas:He didn't use those specific words, but he talked about independence and avoiding occupations. I want to show you this now. Donald Trump sends his bootlickers. Trump's getting desperate this morning. So he sends Marco Rubio. But what if Marco Rubio has a disastrous appearance? Rubio then talks about basically invading Cuba next. Rubio's like, yeah, Cuba's probably next. Here, play this clip. Go bonkers. Is the Cuban government, the Trump administration's next target, Mr. Secretary? Very quickly. Well, the Cuban government is a huge problem. Yeah, the Cuban government is a huge problem. First of all, for Cuba.
9:41So is that a yes? But I don't think people fully appreciate. I think they're in a lot of trouble. Yes, I'm not going to talk to you about what our future steps are going to be and our policies are going to be right now in this regard. but I don't think it's any mystery that we are not big fans of the Cuban regime, who, by the way, are the ones that were propping up Maduro. His entire internal security force, his internal security apparatus is entirely controlled by Cubans. One of the untold stories here is how, in essence, you talk about colonization, because I think you said Dulce Rodriguez mentioned that.
10:10The ones who have sort of colonized, at least inside the regime, are Cubans. It was Cubans that guarded Maduro. He was not guarded by Venezuelan bodyguards. He had Cuban bodyguards. In terms of their internal intelligence, who spies on who inside to make sure there are no traitors? Those are all Cubans.
10:25Ben Meiselas:All right. Secretary. And then Marco Rubio is asked to unmute the press. Will you seek congressional approval for any further action in Venezuela? And Rubio says, why would we need approval? This isn't a war. This is like a legal operation. We're just arresting a fugitive. Here, play this clip. This was not an action that. Yeah, this was not an action that required congressional approval. In fact, it couldn't require congressional approval because this was not an invasion. This is not an extended military operation. This is a very precise operation that involved a couple of hours of action. It was a very delicate operation, too.
10:57It was one that required all these conditions to be in place at the right time in the right place. You couldn't afford leaks. We couldn't afford anything out there that would have endangered the mission and gotten people killed or killed off the mission and the optionality. We didn't even know if the mission was going to happen.
11:12Ben Meiselas:Then you have Jim Jordan, MAGA Republican Congress member Jim Jordan, And all he wanted to talk about was China sending a spy balloon in the air that was during Biden's administration. Do you know how many spy balloons were there during the Trump administration, Trump's first administration? Way more than Biden's. Trump just covered it up. Do we know how many spy balloons right now exist? We don't know because Trump lies about everything and covers everything up. I mean, that's the reality of it is that we do know that China is doing its most aggressive military training exercises by Taiwan right now.
11:51Ben Meiselas:We do know that North Korea launched ballistic missiles again yesterday, and they're testing their missiles again in a more aggressive posture than ever. We do know that China is not buying American soybeans still. We do know that China is treating Donald Trump like a pathetic little individual. Here, play this clip of Jim Jordan. ...strength and takes decisive action. Think about it. Contrast the president's actions. What took place two days ago? What took place with, you know, Midnight Hammer when he stopped Iran? Contrast that with the previous administration. Contrast that with Joe Biden. Joe Biden let a Chinese spy balloon fly clear across the country and then shot it down.
12:31You think President Trump would allow that? I think the American people appreciate the fact that he demonstrates strength and he takes decisive action for the benefit of Americans. You talk about.
12:41Ben Meiselas:And next, Jim Jordan is asked on CNN. He says, well, how does this make sense? So you're saying that you're one of the reasons you went after Maduro is that because he's a narco-terrorist, but then Donald Trump pardoned Juan Orlando Hernandez, one of the biggest narco-terrorists in history who worked with El Chapo to bring in huge quantities of cocaine to kill Americans. So you pardon the biggest drug cartel, narco-terrorist benefactor in Juan Orlando Hernandez. How does this make sense to you, Jim? Here, play this clip. Something that President Trump did. After the former president of Honduras went through the American judicial process, was found guilty, was sentenced for a whole bunch of really bad things with regard to sending drugs into the U.S., poisoning American children, as you would say, the president pardoned him.
13:34How is that consistent with going in? is clear about this, I think, in his press conference. The pardon power, by the way, is exclusive to the president. They can exercise it however they've done it. And he exercised it that way. And he said he thought that the Biden administration treated this individual, the former president, in an unfair fashion. And so he chose to pardon him. President Biden issued pardons. President Biden issued pardons for.
13:54Ben Meiselas:Next, Jim Jordan, as all these MAGA Republicans this morning are asked, well, what's next? What happens next here? And Jim Jordan says, well, I just trust whatever Donald Trump says. That's it. Whatever Donald Trump says, I trust. Here, play this clip right here. But the question is, what's next? And what is the American tax dollar, taxpayer on the hook? I trust Secretary Rubio. I trust Secretary Higgs. I trust President Trump and his making decisions that, again, are in the best interest of the American people. And frankly, I trust our military. And I just want to remind you, When I showed you that press conference, I showed you Congress member Diaz-Balart.
14:34Ben Meiselas:But I just want to quickly remind you of Congresswoman Salazar. Now, Congresswoman Maria Salazar is also a congresslady from the southern Florida, South Florida area. And I just want to remind you what she said back on November 11th, 2024, because she's been guaranteeing this to her communities there, to the immigrant communities that she represents. that Donald Trump would only go after criminals with ICE and Border Patrol. That was her promise to everybody. You know, she constantly is bringing her community and just throwing them under the bus. And she promised him, I promise you, it's all one big misunderstanding.
15:15Ben Meiselas:Donald promises us that he's going to do this. And it's just one big lie and grift after another. Here's what she said, November 11th, 2024. Here, play this clip. 200 ,000 undocumented in your communities. Is that what you're saying? I am sure that we're not that the Trump administration is not going to be targeting those people who have been here for more than five years that have American kids that don't have criminal records that have been working in the economy and paying taxes. I am sure that they're going to hone in on the criminals who arrived less than four years ago because I wrote the Dignity Act.
15:49And I am the first one who understands that you have to give some type of dignity to those who have been here for more than five years. People who have roots in the country, not people who are coming to commit crimes. If I can just clarify from you, have you received those kinds of details from anyone in a potential Trump administration? Because so far what we've heard is proposal for mass deportations. You have about 30 seconds left. Have you gotten those assurances? Mass deportation to those who are committing crimes who have been here for less than five years. You understand that you have millions of undocumented who are contributing with the economy and are helping our country to be a better one.
16:29Ben Meiselas:Just take a look quickly at some of the headlines internationally. This is the Mail on Sunday. Trump, now I'm running Venezuela. America on the war path. America on the war path. That's how this is being described internationally. America on the war path with a deranged, demented individual like Donald Trump doing this anyway. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. Thanks so much for watching and have a good day.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s awful Sunday as the dire consequences of his invasion are starting to be felt as he has made it clear he wants to work with other leaders in the Maduro regime who he believes will help give him all of their oil and resources and as people throughout the world are horrified by his demented and despicable behavior.
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