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Episode Title
Trump Loses It as US Economy Crashes during War!!!
Hosts
- Ben Meiselas - Top lawyer and Colin Kaepernick's business partner
- Brett Meiselas - Two-time Emmy award-winning video editor
- Jordy Meiselas - Former award-winning advertising executive
Episode Overview In this episode, Ben Meiselas discusses the economic fallout resulting from Donald Trump's leadership during the ongoing war with Iran, highlighting key points of contention, economic mismanagement, and the implications for the United States and the global economy.
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Key Discussions
Economic Collapse
- Trump's Leadership: Ben argues that Trump's decisions, reminiscent of his previous business failures, have led to a significant economic downturn and a crisis akin to that preceding the global financial collapse.
- Scott Besant's Interview: He shares a moment from Treasury Secretary Scott Besant's interview where he appears shaken after receiving a call from Trump during a live segment. This incident reflects the chaotic nature of the administration amid rising economic tensions.
Warning Signs from Financial Institutions
- Bank of America Warning: The bank indicated that current market conditions resemble the lead-up to the previous financial crisis.
- S&P Outlook: Analysts warn that Trump's engagement in the Middle East could have long-lasting detrimental effects on the U.S. economy.
Mismanagement of Foreign Relations
- Closing of the Strait of Hormuz: Ben critiques the administration's lack of preparation for the geopolitical implications of military action, emphasizing that allies are turning away from the U.S. due to perceived incompetence.
- China and Russia's Influence: The episode discusses how the ongoing war has empowered adversaries like Iran, China, and Russia, undermining U.S. standing in international relations.
Economic Policy Decisions
- Tariffs and Trade Wars: The episode critiques Trump's administration for initiating a trade war that alienated allies and contributed to economic instability.
- Impact on Farmers: The discussion highlights how rising fertilizer costs, a consequence of the war, are threatening the agricultural sector, leading to calls for more bailouts.
Criticism of Administration's Rhetoric
- Misinformation on Economic Growth: Ben points out the administration’s misleading claims about economic recovery, contrasting them with the real struggles of American families facing inflation and job losses.
Judicial Interference
- Federal Reserve Investigation: The episode discusses a federal judge quashing a subpoena against Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, illustrating the lengths to which Trump is willing to go to exert influence and pressure within government structures.
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Key Takeaways
- Ineffective Leadership: The podcast emphasizes how Trump's chaotic governance style has led to economic mismanagement and loss of international trust.
- Economic Indicators: The episode stresses the importance of monitoring economic indicators, which show a troubling trajectory under current policies.
- Public Response: The Meiselas brothers advocate for informed civic engagement, urging listeners to recognize the implications of political decisions on their daily lives.
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Conclusion In this episode, the Meiselas brothers blend sharp commentary with humor to dissect the current state of U.S. politics and economics, echoing a call for accountability and democratic values amidst challenging times. The discussion serves as a reminder of the interconnectedness of leadership decisions and their impact on the populace.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Economic Catastrophe
2:07 to 2:30
Discussing Trump's impact on the global economy amidst war.
“He's doing it now with the United States economy and the global economy caused by his unlawful and disastrous war against Iran.”
Treasury Secretary's Interview Insights
2:30 to 3:49
Analysis of Treasury Secretary Scott Besant's interview and its implications.
“There was a moment when Treasury Secretary Scott Besant this past week was doing that interview with Sky News.”
Economic Downturn Predictions
3:49 to 6:08
Exploring Bank of America's warnings about the economy under Trump.
“Just look at what Bank of America is saying right now, right?”
Foreign Relations and Trump's Strategy
6:08 to 8:59
Exploring the implications of Trump's foreign policies on global relations.
“You're starting to think, if this does keep persisting as it is, that the Navy has to go into the Strait of Hormuz to help ships get through, which would have a big effect.”
Tariffs and Their Consequences
8:59 to 10:48
Discussion on the impact of tariffs imposed by the Trump administration.
“Donald Trump may have been able to taco in the past.”
Farmers' Struggles and Government Response
10:48 to 14:08
Analyzing the challenges faced by farmers due to rising fertilizer prices and proposed bailouts.
“And the way he describes it as, well, if we get our money back, that would be a windfall.”
Economic Challenges for Farmers Amid Conflict
14:08 to 15:09
Discussion on the rising costs of fertilizer and government support for farmers.
“Just to start, are you considering another bailout for farmers who are concerned about the rising price of fertilizer given the war?”
Blame Games and Economic Data
15:09 to 17:32
Analysis of economic downturn and political blame shifting regarding GDP data.
“And with the horrible fourth quarter GDP numbers, with the horrible economic data that's coming out, You have Ron Johnson and all these MAGA Republicans saying, you know why the fourth quarter was bad?”
The Impact of War on the US Economy
17:32 to 19:53
Exploration of how the war with Iran has exacerbated the economic crisis in the US.
“And now when we need allies, guess what?”
Federal Reserve and Trump's Interference
19:53 to 24:18
Discussion on Trump's attacks on the Federal Reserve and ongoing legal challenges.
“And it turned out to be much, much longer than five years.”
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Trump's Historical Patterns of Behavior
24:18 to 26:13
Analysis of Trump's decision-making patterns and their effects on governance.
“Now, Donald Trump could just basically walk away and say, you know what, this one's over.”
Transcript
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2:06Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump has walked right into a death trap of his own, making a global economic catastrophe the same way Donald Trump bankrupted his casinos. He's doing it now with the United States economy and the global economy caused by his unlawful and disastrous war against Iran. There was a moment when Treasury Secretary Scott Besant this past week was doing that interview with Sky News. He was spewing the Trump propaganda and saying, there's no cost that I would be worried about when it comes to this war against Iran. Donald Trump should be able to spend as much money as he wants. I will endorse it all.
2:55Ben Meiselas:Or you have a Besson saying, we obviously knew the Strait of Hormuz was going to be blocked by Iran. We prepared for this. We wanted this. When he was spewing all of that propaganda, he got a call from Donald Trump in the middle of his interview with Sky News. And it looked like he saw a ghost. It looked like he literally saw a ghost. I'm going to show you that video in just one moment. Then he goes back to the interview and he can't even speak in sentences because behind the scenes, things are going down that are deeply, deeply worrisome. and Besant knows it. He knows what he and Donald Trump have just unleashed, this economic death spiral the same way Donald Trump has bankrupted casino after casino.
3:49Ben Meiselas:Just look at what Bank of America is saying right now, right? A fairly conservative financial institution that doesn't usually release hyperbolic headlines, okay? Here's what they said on Friday. The markets are starting to look like the run-up to the global financial crisis. Now, what about the S &P? What are they putting out? Donald Trump's war in the Middle East could have longstanding effects on the U.S. economy and credit conditions. Now, let me show you when Treasury Secretary Scott Besant got a phone call from Donald Trump during his interview with Sky News. He left in the middle of the interview.
4:28Ben Meiselas:Let me show you what went down. Let's play this clip.
4:32Donald Trump:I listened to you on the...
4:38Donald Trump:Oh, okay. Okay. No problem at all. See you shortly, Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary, I have to say, it's a first, I'm sure, a last as well, that an interviewee been pulled away to go to the Situation Room. How is the president? Was he stressed? No, the president is in great spirits. The Iranian mission is proceeding well ahead of schedule. And I have to tell you, well, that I'm a teenager who's considering military service, And I could give this team my highest compliment from President Trump to the head of the Joint Chiefs to the Secretary of War. I would say that I would trust my child's life in their hands.
5:35Ben Meiselas:Now, before he got that call, I just want to show you some other stuff that he was saying during that interview where he was like, it was always part of our planning. This is what he's been telling people. It was always part of our planning that the United States would have to deal with the Strait of Hormuz being closed. That's just what we knew was going to happen. We always thought we need this international coalition to escort the tankers. Okay, well, then why would you tariff the entire world and turn all your allies against you? That makes no sense at all. Here, play this clip.
6:11Donald Trump:You're starting to think, if this does keep persisting as it is, that the Navy has to go into the Strait of Hormuz to help ships get through, which would have a big effect. Look, that was always in our planning, that there's the chance that U.S. Navy or perhaps an international coalition will be escorting oil tankers through. There are, in fact, tankers coming through now, Iranian tankers, I believe some Chinese flag tankers have come through. So we know that they have not mined the straits. And was that what you were just discussing in the situation room? We were discussing a plethora of things.
6:51Donald Trump:And is it your belief that the volume of ships going through the Strait of Hormuz will be improving immediately from now? It is my belief that as soon as it is militarily possible, the U.S. Navy, perhaps with an international coalition, will be escorting vessels through.
7:14Ben Meiselas:I remember a few weeks back what he was saying, how 2025 was about setting the table. 2026 is going to be the banquet for the American people. This is your banquet, Scott Besant, Treasury Secretary Scott Besant. This is your banquet. Here, play this clip.
7:33Donald Trump:I think, as I've said many times, 2025 is about setting the table. 2026 is going to be a banquet for the American people. The economy is taking off. We saw 40 ,000 new construction jobs. Everyone says to me, oh, where are these factory jobs that you planned? And unlike what you and I see in the financial markets, you can't push a button and build a factory. There's lead time, but what we are seeing is big commitments to these factories that are going to be built. First, we'll get the construction jobs, and then the factory jobs are going to come. So I think we're going to see the tremendous groundbreaking.
8:14Donald Trump:So I think we're going to see a lot of factory completions this year.
8:17Ben Meiselas:Now, one of the articles that I think really resonates right now is this one right here from TS Lombard, Global Watch. and it says it takes two to taco. So the ball is now in the U.S. court. Iran is still shipping its oil and has no incentive to negotiate while those revenues flow. So really, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson, you prepare for this because China is able to use the Strait of Hormuz. You have Iran using the Strait. They're getting their oil out. So Donald Trump, what, bombs the Karg Island and thinks that that's going to make a difference. But guess what? Donald Trump may have been able to taco in the past.
9:03Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump always chickens out when it would come to his tariffs against the world that he would make this social media post, that social media post. But right now, Iran sees Donald Trump as weak. China and Russia see Donald Trump as utterly weak and pathetic. And they view this as an opportunity to restructure the global world order to have the United States in a much, much weaker position. I mean, you've got Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, two of the dumbest people serving as the main envoys to the United States who botched the negotiations with Iran. They're out there like partying with the Russians in Miami as we're now removing sanctions on Russian oil and allowing Russia to make billions of dollars while they provide Iran with resources and intelligence and capabilities to strike American troops and American interests in the Middle East.
10:05Ben Meiselas:What the heck is going on there? You know, then you have people like this guy, Jameson Greer, the trade representative. I mean, this is a idiocracy for us to see. I mean, take a look as Jameson Greer was asked on CNBC about returning the tariff money that they stole from the people in their trade war against the world, which turned all of our allies basically against us because we started a trade war with everybody all at once. And the Trump regime stole our money and the Supreme Court ruled against them. So, Jameson, can you please return our damn money because you stole it? And the way he describes it as, well, if we get our money back, that would be a windfall.
10:54Ben Meiselas:What do you mean to be a windfall? You stole our money, you frauds. Just a bunch of frauds right there. Here, play this clip. Ambassador, would you and the administration encourage companies that had higher costs during this period to seek refunds, that paid tariffs to seek refunds?
11:12Donald Trump:And I ask because I've talked to a number of CEOs who have thus far been holding off seeking those refunds, worried potentially about the possibility for retribution for seeking such a thing. uh well i if i were these companies uh and somehow they get this windfall the most important thing and the smartest thing they should do is give it as bonuses to their workers the whole reason the president imposed these tariffs was to try to reshore to fix our massive imbalance in trade that we've experienced over many years because of china vietnam the eu and others if the companies are going to get this windfall they should pass it along to their workers as a bonus or a raise because that's the purpose of the program.
11:53Donald Trump:It's always been the purpose of the program, and the American people should get it, and the companies should give it to their workers.
11:59Ben Meiselas:And then just more line from Jameson Greer on the Iran war. Oh, I think it's all going to be resolved in a few weeks. It'll all be done in a few weeks. Here, play this clip.
12:10Donald Trump:What is your expectation for how quickly this war in Iran is going to end? And if it doesn't, what do you think the global impact is going to be? Well, I think that we're talking in terms of weeks, right? When I speak with Secretary Hexeth or the president or others, they're much closer to it. But obviously, you can't talk about trade without the Iran war coming up and the effect of oil and gas and what that means. I think we're talking about a matter of weeks. Our expectation is that any effects we see will be short-lived. But we want to watch this, right? You could see other effects that affect cycles that we tend to see in commodity markets.
12:51Donald Trump:So we're watching it very closely, especially if there are particular spikes or if there are areas where we think we have more resilience.
12:59Ben Meiselas:Now, apparently what their plan is just bankrupt everything and then bail out everything, right? You had Brooke Rollins, the agriculture secretary, now saying because our farmers are additionally suffering because the fertilizer prices are through the roof right now, if they're even able to access fertilizer, because a lot of the fertilizer comes from the Middle East. She goes, yeah, well, maybe do another bailout for the farmers. So when you did the tariffs against the world and China refused to buy American soybeans, You had to do a bailout there. The input costs for farmers basically made it, you know, everything that the farmers were doing was a net loss right away.
13:41Ben Meiselas:So you had to bail them out there. Now you screw them over by starting this war against Iran. And now one of the impacts is that fertilizer is not coming in, or if it is, it's so expensive. And so another bailout, everybody, another bailout while they give$40 billion to Argentina, while Donald Trump's rushing to do a state visit to China. I mean, what the hell is going on here? Here, play this clip.
14:10Scott Bessent:Yes, we'll take questions. Just to start, are you considering another bailout for farmers who are concerned about the rising price of fertilizer given the war?
14:17Donald Trump:Yeah, so I appreciate that question with what's happening in Iran, what that means for specifically nitrogen urea, which is one of the key components of fertilizer. Our farmers are moving into planting season right now. So the president is very aware of these challenges and these issues. We are very close to having an announcement on some solutions on what that looks like. We're looking at every potential avenue to keep the fertilizer costs down as these farmers are going into planting. season. No big announcements yet, but it is coming. I have been in conversation with the Hill on that as they're looking at additional funds for our farmers.
14:55Donald Trump:So at this point, everything is on the table. This president is convicted. He is resolute. He will stand with our farmers. He knows that it's national security issue and we're on it. So more to come on that.
15:09Ben Meiselas:And with the horrible fourth quarter GDP numbers, with the horrible economic data that's coming out, You have Ron Johnson and all these MAGA Republicans saying, you know why the fourth quarter was bad? It's the Democrats' fault. It was the Chuck Schumer government shutdown. It's like, to be quick, Chuck Schumer government? What are you talking about? Here, play this clip.
15:32Donald Trump:America, GDP was down in the fourth quarter. Why? Because of Schumer's shutdown. So not only are they not helping us clean up the mess, they're doing everything they can to frustrate our efforts, to interfere with President Trump's efforts to clean up their messes. It's really despicable.
15:49Scott Bessent:Yeah, great, great point. You're right. GDP was down from the expectation. It was supposed to be 1.5 % growth. We got growth of 7 tenths of a percent.
15:58Ben Meiselas:Meanwhile, you have the Labor Department, which is run by an individual who's under investigation for engaging in horrific personal misconduct, whose husband was, like, banned from the Labor Department building for allegedly sexually harassing people at the labor department. They're putting out videos of Donald Trump dancing to the YMCA. And it says that Friday feeling when wages are going up and prices are coming down for American workers, as we put it on the Midas Touch Network, we post it on our social media. Yeah, I guess that's the Friday feeling when you lie. What are you talking about? Wages aren't up.
16:39Ben Meiselas:Prices aren't down. Let's be very clear. America engaged in an unlawful war against Iran while we already had a massive affordability crisis here at home where people couldn't afford things. Trump promised he was going to make things more affordable on day one. He made things far worse. People can't afford homes. People can't afford groceries. People aren't able to get jobs. People were suffering here. And Donald Trump was covering up a child sex trafficking, ringing the Epstein files. So then Donald Trump starts a war with Benjamin Netanyahu in Iran. Now everything that was horrible already is now a million times worse.
17:21Ben Meiselas:I mean, if we weren't talking about the war every day, assuming Donald Trump didn't engage in an awful war, we would have been talking about how bad our economy is with Donald Trump's tariffs against the entire world, which after the United States Supreme Court struck down and said that Donald Trump's IEPA tariffs are unconstitutional or unlawful, in violation, Donald Trump then used another law illegally, just invoked the Trade Act of 1974 to impose more tariffs against the rest of the world to start launching investigations into all these other countries and to treat them as hostile nations to screw with the United States, Mexico, Canada agreement, to screw with all these international trade agreements, rip them to shreds.
18:10Ben Meiselas:And now when we need allies, guess what? Treasury Secretary Scott Besson, which international coalition is going to join you? And by the way, you think the Middle East nations are going to be allied with the United States the way they were before after they see how you have not helped them at all and you thrust them into this war? You think that the Asian nations are going to want to do a lot of business with the United States now as you're taking away their weapon systems to move it to the Middle East because you were unprepared. You think that that's what's going down? And I'll just show you my friend, Justin Wolfers.
18:47Ben Meiselas:He describes how the trust and the relationships with the U.S. and the world have been utterly shattered as a result of this war. He goes, even if this war ends quickly, all of the trust has been shattered right now. Here, play this clip.
19:01Donald Trump:The president at a press conference, in a press interview today, looked like he was more or less declaring victory. By the way, the president's rhetoric and reality are two very different creatures. But if he were to declare victory, he packs up, goes home. It's a very short war. Your beauty, life can get back somewhat to normal. It'll never get all the way back to normal. The rest of the world will remember what happened. people will have to plan their businesses understanding that at any given moment the president could start a new adventure that adventure could disrupt the world disrupt international relations and disrupt their business so that's the look this could be over fast new thing story let me tell you the other it's history history tells us that almost every time the u.s has gone into war it is dramatically underestimated how difficult it is to win and how long it will Let me remind you, just before, just in the early days of the Iraq war, Donald Rumsfeld famously said, we might be there five days, could be five weeks, I doubt it will be five months.
19:59Donald Trump:And it turned out to be much, much longer than five years. So when someone says on the one hand it could be measured in days and the reality is in years, that says they underestimated it by a factor of 365. If you want to think about that, just think about when someone in Washington tells you the cost that this war could impose, realize that multiplying that number by 365 remains a possibility.
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20:22Ben Meiselas:Now, our editor-in-chief, Ron Filipkowski, writes, when asked eight months ago when they were going to stop blaming Biden for bad economic numbers, Howard Lutnick, who partied on Epstein Island, said repeatedly in interviews that the Trump administration would own them from the fourth quarter of 2025 on. I wonder if that still will be the case, as we've heard that fourth quarter GDP was revised down to 0.7 % growth, core inflation rising to 3.1%. And again, that was data before that we're getting now, but that's data from before the war. And finally, Donald Trump, in addition to tariffing the world, we also know that Donald Trump has been attacking the Federal Reserve.
21:05Ben Meiselas:Like, if you were to go step by step by step and try to just attack everything to destroy America's strength, like this is a play by play book that you would do. What else do you attack? The independence of the Federal Reserve. So Donald Trump's been attacking Jerome Powell, saying lower the interest rates, lower the interest rates. And Donald Trump launched a criminal investigation into Jerome Powell. And then you probably know we reported on this on Friday. Federal Judge Boasberg in Washington, D.C., quashed the subpoena that the Trump regime's DOJ issued against Jerome Powell. and here's what was written in the order when the federal judge basically blocked the criminal investigation into the Federal Reserve.
21:54Ben Meiselas:This is what the judge wrote, federal judge, Jerome Too Late Powell has done it again. He's too late and actually too angry, too stupid, and too political to have the job of Fed chair. He is costing our country trillions of dollars. Put another way, too late is a total loser and our country is paying the price. And that's a citation to a Donald J. Trump social media post. Then the judge says, this is one of at least 100 statements that the president or his deputies have made attacking the chair of the Federal Reserve and pressuring him to lower interest rates. Then he gives another one. So is this too late Jerome Powell costing our country hundreds of billions of dollars?
22:37Ben Meiselas:He is truly one of the dumbest and most destructive people in government. Too late is an American disgrace. That's a quote. Donald J. Trump, president of the United States. Yet the president has been unable to push rates lower through social media posts. He is thus hinted at other options. I want to get him out, Donald Trump says. Several months ago, he mused that if the Fed does not cut rates, I may have to force something. Then the judge goes on to say, perhaps it comes as no surprise then that the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office has recently opened a criminal investigation into Powell. It served two subpoenas on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, seeking records about recent renovations to the board's buildings and testimony that Powell delivered to Congress that briefly discussed the renovations.
23:27Ben Meiselas:The board has now responded with a motion to quash contending the subpoenas are merely part of a game plan to pressure Powell to bend to the president's wishes or to get rid of him. The case thus asks, did prosecutors issue those subpoenas for a proper purpose? The court finds that they did not. There is abundant evidence that the subpoenas' dominant, if not sole purpose, is to harass and pressure Powell either to yield to the president or to resign and make way for a Fed chair who will. On the other side of the scale, the government has offered no evidence whatsoever that Powell committed any crime other than displeasing the president.
24:08Ben Meiselas:The court must thus conclude that the asserted justification for these subpoenas are mere pretext. It will therefore grant the board's motion to quash. It will also grant the board's motion to partially unseal the motion to quash relating briefing and this opinion. Now, Donald Trump could just basically walk away and say, you know what, this one's over. Let me appoint a new Fed chair in May, and then we'll just move on from all of this. Because Senator Tillis of North Carolina has stated that he will not support Donald Trump's new Fed chair until this case goes away. So Donald Trump could just let this case go away, but that's not what he's going to do.
24:52Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump and Jeanine Pirro, the former Fox host, who's now the main federal prosecutor in D.C., they're like, we're going to appeal this. We're taking this all the way. And all this is going to do the same way after Donald Trump lost the tariff case, he did worse tariffs. Donald Trump did this. He engages in worse conduct. Donald Trump's, the way Donald Trump's handling the war just makes things worse. It's the exact same way he dealt with COVID, but rewind. It's the exact same way he's dealt with everything in his life, right? He creates these death traps, these death spirals for himself.
25:29Ben Meiselas:And he makes a bad decision into a worse decision, a worse decision into a catastrophic decision, a catastrophic decision into a bankruptcy. When you stand up to him after he huffs and he puffs and he blow beats and he's, you know, he's a loser. He is a weak, pathetic loser. That's who he is. You stand up to him, he will always lose. Okay? And when he loses, you know, he's all over the place. But he leaves a trail of destruction. And he just tries to then have self-preservation. But he'll destroy everything around him. That's what we're seeing play out writ large right now. Anyway, thanks for watching.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump and Scott Bessent destroying the United States economy during the war against Iran and Meiselas dives into the fatal errors and intentional misconduct that caused the collapse of the economy.
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