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The MeidasTouch Podcast - Episode Summary: Trump Loses it in AM and has Ghislaine Go Silent
Episode Overview In this episode of the MeidasTouch Podcast, hosted by Ben Meiselas, the discussion centers around Donald Trump's reaction to Ghislaine Maxwell invoking her Fifth Amendment rights during her deposition. The podcast combines political commentary with humor, offering a critical perspective on current events related to Trump, Maxwell, and broader implications for democracy.
Key Topics Discussed
- Ghislaine Maxwell's Invocation of the Fifth Amendment
- Ghislaine Maxwell, a convicted sex trafficker, refused to answer questions during a House Oversight Committee deposition, invoking her Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.
- Her lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, framed this invocation as a strategy for clemency from Donald Trump, suggesting that her silence was part of a broader effort to secure a pardon.
- Criticism of Maxwell's Legal Strategy
- Meiselas criticizes Maxwell’s legal team for attempting to portray her invocation of the Fifth as legitimate, questioning why she previously answered questions from Trump's former attorney without similar hesitation.
- The discussion highlights inconsistencies in her legal strategy and the implications for the ongoing investigations into sex trafficking.
- Political Reactions
- Various members of Congress expressed outrage regarding Maxwell's refusal to cooperate:
- Congress Member Ro Khanna emphasized that many of his questions did not incriminate her but could implicate others, including high-profile figures.
- Congresswoman Stansberry accused the U.S. government of engaging in a cover-up surrounding the Epstein scandal, asserting that Maxwell's silence is an effort to protect powerful individuals.
- Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett reinforced the notion that Maxwell is seeking to evade responsibility and called for accountability.
- Implications for Donald Trump
- The podcast underscores the potential legal ramifications for Trump, given his connections to both Maxwell and Epstein.
- Multiple congress members suggested that Trump's administration is involved in protecting Maxwell and potentially other individuals implicated in sex trafficking.
- Economic Commentary
- Transitioning to an economic focus, Meiselas covers comments made by Kevin Hassett, Trump’s former economic advisor, who discussed potential job losses due to AI and the shrinking labor market.
- The podcast portrays the current economic landscape as precarious, with Hassett indicating that upcoming job reports may be disappointing.
- Decline in Trump's Popularity
- Polling data presented during the episode indicates a significant decline in Trump’s approval ratings among non-college-educated voters, a demographic that previously supported him.
- The discussion reflects on how this shift could affect Trump's future electoral prospects.
Key Takeaways
- Ghislaine Maxwell's invocation of the Fifth Amendment is perceived as a strategic move to negotiate for clemency from Trump, raising questions about her motivations and the implications for ongoing investigations.
- Congressional reactions highlight the bipartisan concern surrounding Maxwell’s silence and the broader implications it has for accountability in high-profile criminal cases.
- The economic commentary sheds light on the potential job market challenges due to AI advancements, suggesting a disconnect between economic policy and the realities facing workers.
- The decline of Trump’s support among non-college voters is a critical development, indicating a shift that could change the political landscape leading into upcoming elections.
Closing Remarks The episode combines serious political discourse with the Meiselas brothers' signature humor, creating an engaging narrative that reflects the complexities and challenges facing American democracy today. The podcast encourages listeners to stay informed and engaged, underscoring the importance of accountability in political leadership.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOGhislaine Maxwell's Silence
2:57 to 6:40
Discussion on Ghislaine Maxwell invoking her Fifth Amendment rights during deposition.
“The American people know how utterly pathetic he is.”
Congressional Reactions
6:40 to 10:52
Analysis of Congressional members' responses to Maxwell's deposition.
“You're auditioning for clemency right now.”
Maxwell's Call for Clemency
12:14 to 14:01
Discussion on Maxwell's push for clemency and reactions from lawmakers.
“Just to reiterate, Ghislaine Maxwell should have no hope of ever getting out of prison.”
Ghislaine Maxwell's Plea for Clemency
14:01 to 15:10
Discussion on Ghislaine Maxwell's situation and the political implications.
“And President Trump could end that today.”
Kevin Hassett's Economic Predictions
15:10 to 16:48
Analysis of Kevin Hassett's remarks on job losses and AI's impact.
“But I am here to tell you that House Democrats, specifically on the Oversight Committee and the Judiciary Committee, as we do have Pam Bondi coming before us here in a minute, we will not be deterred.”
Trump's Declining Support Among Non-College Voters
16:48 to 18:08
Examination of Trump's decreasing popularity with non-college voters.
“In other words, we should prepare for another horrible jobs report coming out this week.”
Debate on ICE Policies and Law Enforcement Safety
18:08 to 19:06
Discussion on the impact of proposed mandates on law enforcement.
“I think the area where we could reach agreement is things in place like body cameras.”
Transcript
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2:56Ben Meiselas:thinks that's making him look tough. He's sadly mistaken. The American people know how utterly pathetic he is. The world knows how utterly pathetic he is. And we all saw what went down this morning, as the Midas Touch had predicted, where Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted sex trafficker, invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination during the House oversight deposition of her. We predicted this was going to happen. She refused to take any questions from members of Congress other than reading an opening statement. Her lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, used this opportunity to audition for clemency to Donald Trump.
3:39Ben Meiselas:I mean, how utterly pathetic can you get? Here's what David Oscar Marcus posted. Ghislaine Maxwell invoked her constitutional right to silence this morning before James Comer and the House Oversight Committee. Here is the statement I gave to the committee explaining why. Members of the committee, on my advice, Ghislaine Maxwell will respectfully invoke her Fifth Amendment right to silence and decline to answer questions today, even though she would very much like to answer your questions. Can we pause there? She answered the questions for Todd Blanche several months ago. No, she didn't invoke the Fifth Amendment when Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney turned number two at the Department of Justice, whose close friends with David Oscar Marcus was asking her questions and she lied to her teeth and actually further incriminated her.
4:29Ben Meiselas:So now she has to invoke the Fifth now that the Epstein files have come out and we see that she's lying yet again. Then he goes on to say she must remain silent because Miss Maxwell has a habeas petition currently pending that demonstrates that her conviction rests on a fundamentally unfair trial. Pause. What are you talking about? Every prisoner technically has the right to petition for the writ of habeas corpus, although Donald Trump may disagree that there's actually such thing as a writ of habeas corpus. So that's not something that any other prisoner in the United States doesn't have. And her appeals are done.
5:08Ben Meiselas:She lost in front of the United States Supreme Court. They rejected her appeal on the child sex trafficking case where she was convicted in the Southern District of New York. So didn't you say that you couldn't have her testify in August because you were waiting for the Supreme Court ruling, but you just made that up. So now you're just going to say habeas petition. And technically, every prisoner in the United States can potentially petition for habeas corpus for the rest of their sentence. So in other words, she's never going to speak unless she's given clemency by Donald Trump. Let's keep on reading.
5:42Ben Meiselas:And it goes on to say, her conviction rests on a fundamentally unfair trial. The Supreme Court disagreed with that. The Circuit Court of Appeal disagreed with that. The District Court disagreed with that. But you and Ghislaine hold all of the answers. Goes on to say, for example, jurors lied during voir dire to secure seats on the jury and the government promised immunity, then broke that promise. Newly disclosed documents now demonstrate these facts conclusively. If this committee and the American public truly want to hear the unfiltered truth about what happened, there is a straightforward path.
6:16Ben Meiselas:Ms. Maxwell is prepared to speak fully and honestly if granted clemency by President Trump. Only she can provide the complete account. Some may not like what they hear, but the truth matters. For example, both President Trump and President Clinton are innocent of any wrongdoing. Ms. Maxwell alone can explain why, and the public is entitled to that explanation. Thank you. Okay, so she refuses to speak. You're auditioning for clemency right now. What questions did she not want to answer? Oh, here are the questions right here. On December 17, 2025, you filed a habeas petition stating that four named co-conspirators and 25 men who entered into secret settlements were not indicted as part of the investigation.
7:01Ben Meiselas:Is that statement accurate? Two, who were the four co-conspirators and the 25 men other than Jeffrey Epstein who sexually abused minors at Epstein's Island and at his other places? Three, what information, evidence, or personal knowledge do you have regarding why these individuals were not charged? Four, it is well documented that you, Donald Trump, Mr. Epstein had a social relationship, and there are several photographs of you together. Did you or Mr. Epstein ever arrange, facilitate or provide access of underage girls to Donald Trump. But you wouldn't answer those questions this morning. Here's what Democratic Congress member Ro Khanna had to say regarding the deposition this morning.
7:39Ben Meiselas:Play this clip. I submitted to Comer a letter with six or seven questions. Things like, who were the other co-conspirators? Who were the other men who raped these underage girls? Did she have any conversations about a deal with Donald Trump? Now, she's taken a blanket Fifth Amendment on any question. And my view is that many of my questions don't in any way incriminate her. So we'll see what she does. But there are seven questions that I have specifically asked. And the assumption is she's pleading the fifth to each one of those. And the American people will see that there's an inconsistency. Why did she not plead the fifth when Blanche asked her questions?
8:20And now she's pleading the fifth about things that don't implicate her, but may implicate many of the other powerful people in the Epstein class that committed these crimes.
8:30Ben Meiselas:Here's what Congresswoman Stansberry, the Democrat had to say, play this clip. The United States government is engaged in an active cover up of the largest sex trafficking scandal and influence peddling scandal in the history of the United States. And Donald Trump Trump is right at the center of it. And the person who is living to provide the evidence who knows what is going on is trying to invoke the fifth to buy her clemency. So let's be clear on what we saw here today. This was an effort to essentially try to secure her pardon by keeping her mouth shut. And we will not allow this silence to stand.
9:09Ben Meiselas:More from Democratic Congresswoman Stansberry. Let's play it. We know that there are multiple administration officials, including Howard Lutton, Elon Musk, who served as the appointee for the Doge efforts in the White House. We know that the Secretary of Navy, we know that there is Steve Bannon. We know that there are more than three dozen associates, family members and individuals directly associated with Donald Trump named in those files. Now, there are now at least nine or 10 other countries across the world that have opened investigations or forced their leaders to step down because of their mere association with Jeffrey Epstein.
9:53Ben Meiselas:And here's Congresswoman Stansberry again. Let's play this clip. Now, we have a lot of questions for Ms. Maxwell with regards to what actually happened in Epstein's affairs, who was directly involved in the sex trafficking, money laundering and influence peddling scheme that she and Jeffrey Epstein were involved in, how Donald Trump was involved and whether or not he committed any crimes himself, as did his many associates who are named in the Department of Justice files. Let us be clear that Donald Trump is not only named thousands of times in the latest release from the Department of Justice.
10:27He is named over 38 ,000 times in the files that were released two weeks ago alone. And we know that that only represents half of the files that the Department of Justice has in its possession, including files that were used for direct investigations of perpetrators, people who committed crimes, people who were co-conspirators in those crimes, and individuals who knew of those crimes. True self-reliance starts with taking control of your own health. Armour Colostrum is nature's original solution. Colostrum is packed with over 400 bioactive nutrients that fortify gut health and strengthen immune health to build resilience at the cellular level.
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12:13Ben Meiselas:How about Democratic Congress member Subramanian? Let's play it. Just to reiterate, Ghislaine Maxwell should have no hope of ever getting out of prison. But today, she, through her lawyer, explicitly stated that she wants to be out of prison through a clemency that this president would grant. And she's campaigning over and over again to get that pardon from President Trump. And this president has not ruled it out. And so that's why she's continuing to not cooperate with our investigation. Reality is she is a monster. She should be behind bars. She should stay there. She should answer our questions.
12:48But she is not willing to do so because she is looking for that pardon and looking to absolve any people related to this administration. So we will continue to call for this president to completely roll out a pardon.
13:02Ben Meiselas:And here's Democratic Congress member Walken Shaw. Let's play it. Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster. She facilitated, aided and abetted Epstein's crimes, engaged in those crimes. She was the enforcer who threatened the victims and the survivors of those crimes. And today we looked into the eyes of that monster in the deposition. What we did not get were any substantive answers to the questions that were asked that would advance our investigation to help us learn who were the other men involved in these crimes, to help us learn who were the others who knew about these crimes, to help us learn what exactly was said between Todd Blanche and Ghislaine Maxwell that led her to be transferred to a minimum security prison.
14:00What we did get was another episode in her long-running campaign for clemency from President Trump. And President Trump could end that today. Today, he could rule out clemency for Ghislaine Maxwell the monster. He could rule out a pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell the monster. The question for all of us today is why hasn't he done that and why won't he do that?
14:31Ben Meiselas:Here's Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. Here's what she had to say. So the fact that this woman is continuing to invoke the fifth amendment tells us exactly what my colleagues have already stated. She is a monster. She does not care. She has no remorse. She is not seeking to bring about some kind of closure for these women. She doesn't care. And frankly, it seems like this administration overall does not care. All they care about is protecting the powerful and protecting pedophiles. They will do anything to distract from that, including deciding to put up in the middle of Black History Month, the most racist thing that we've ever seen come out of a White House.
15:10But I am here to tell you that House Democrats, specifically on the Oversight Committee and the Judiciary Committee, as we do have Pam Bondi coming before us here in a minute, we will not be deterred. We will not be distracted. We know who it is that needs to be held accountable. And we will go in and we will make sure that we continue to dig. This will not stop us because his co-conspirator decided that she was going to try to play games with us this morning. I got news for you, Ms. Maxwell. we're not done. We're gonna continue to go.
15:42Ben Meiselas:Now, next you have Kevin Hassett, Donald Trump's national economic advisor. He wants to talk about, well, he's there to talk about the economy. So he's going on CNBC this morning. And while he laughs and mocks the American people, he says that basically we should be expecting job losses because AI is going to replace American jobs. Let's play it. The other thing is that there's a pretty big decline in the labor force because of illegals leaving the country. And so the break-even job number is quite a bit lower than it was under Joe Biden when there were people basically coming across the border willy-nilly.
16:22And so I think that you should expect slightly smaller job numbers that are consistent with high GDP growth right now. And one shouldn't panic if you see a sequence of numbers that are lower than you're used to because again, population growth is going down and productivity growth is skyrocketing. It's an unusual set of circumstances. Kevin.
16:42Ben Meiselas:And then he also says this morning that there's a good chance that job creation is going to be lagging. In other words, we should prepare for another horrible jobs report coming out this week. Play this clip. The open question really is what's going to happen to jobs as productivity goes up. And I think that there's a chance that job creation lags, productivity skyrockets, profits skyrocket, GDP skyrocket. But then all of a sudden, like you're making 20 widgets and you can make 20 widgets with a fewer person. And then that person has to find a new job. I think that that kind of transition could happen.
17:19Ben Meiselas:And so no wonder you're seeing polls like this. This was from CNN this morning, as Harry Enten describes that Trump's base with non-college voters is absolutely collapsing. Let's play it through this. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, if you know anything about Donald Trump, you know that he built his two presidential victories on winning voters without a college degree. While Donald Trump's base with non-college voters is absolutely collapsing. What are we talking about here? Well, why don't we just take a look? Voters without a college degree on Donald Trump. Look at this. Back in 2024, he won those voters over Kamala Harris by 14 points.
17:53You come over to this side of the screen, what's his net approval He is under water by nine points. That's a 23 point switcheroo with his base of non-college voters. He is absolutely collapsing with a group of voters that helped put him into the way.
18:08Ben Meiselas:And finally, we have Congress member Steele, a Republican Congress member, who's saying that it is unfair to request that ICE remove their masks and actually issue judicial warrants instead of made up administrative warrants. here play it. I think the area where we could reach agreement is things in place like body cameras. I think that's a spot where Democrats and Republicans can come to the table, one of the Democratic demands. I think some of the other Democratic demands put at risk and jeopardize the safety of the members of law enforcement who are out there doing an incredibly difficult job.
18:43Would you be like taking off their masks and having a badge that shows their who they are? Well, they're known, obviously, to their supervisors. I think if we look at what plays out in many South American countries, when these individuals are doxed, often they'll get a video that'll say that'll show them or their wife or their children is a pretty clear threat. And so the environment that many of these men and women are in is an incredibly difficult.
19:06Ben Meiselas:That was this morning, folks. We'll keep you posted every step of the way. Hit subscribe. Help us get to six million subscribers. Thanks so much for watching.
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