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Episode Summary: Trump Makes Lutnick Fall Guy in Epstein Dump?!!
Podcast Information
- Podcast Title: The MeidasTouch Podcast
- Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas
- Episode Release Date: Not specified in the provided transcript
Episode Overview In this episode, Ben Meiselas discusses the implications of recently released documents from the Department of Justice related to Jeffrey Epstein, highlighting the connections between Epstein and Howard Lutnick. Lutnick, a prominent businessman, has claimed he had no interactions with Epstein after 2005, which the newly released files contradict. This episode delves into the validity of Lutnick’s statements, the potential for him being used as a scapegoat, and the broader implications for other political figures, including former President Donald Trump.
Key Discussion Points
Howard Lutnick's Connection to Epstein
- Release of Epstein Files: The DOJ has released files that detail numerous interactions between Howard Lutnick and Jeffrey Epstein.
- Contradicting Statements: Lutnick publicly stated he hadn't interacted with Epstein since 2005, but the emails indicate otherwise.
- Examples of Interactions:
- Coordination of trips to Epstein's island.
- Discussion of personal matters, such as nannies.
- Donations made by Epstein to events honoring Lutnick.
Lutnick's Denial and Public Image
- Public Claims: Lutnick has described his only interaction with Epstein as a brief encounter in 2005, asserting he found Epstein "gross."
- Evidence from Emails: Emails released reveal continued communication between Lutnick and Epstein, undermining his claims.
- Example Email: An email from Lutnick in 2012 discussing plans to meet with Epstein in St. Bart's.
Implications for Donald Trump
- Trump's Mention in Documents: The files also connect Donald Trump to Epstein, raising questions about Trump's relationships and actions during the time of these communications.
- Allegations of Misconduct: Discussions around Trump allegedly being introduced to women by Epstein and accusations of inappropriate behavior.
The Broader Context of the Epstein Files
- Potential Scapegoat: The episode raises the possibility that Lutnick is being positioned as a fall guy in a broader narrative involving powerful individuals connected to Epstein.
- Missing Documents: It is noted that many documents are still unaccounted for, suggesting there may be more revelations to come.
Key Takeaways
- Lutnick's Credibility: The episode calls into question Lutnick's honesty regarding his connections to Epstein, framing him as a liar based on the newly released evidence.
- Political Ramifications: The discussion suggests that the connections between Epstein, Lutnick, and Trump could have significant political implications, especially as more evidence is made public.
- Call to Action: The episode encourages listeners to stay informed and engaged, emphasizing the importance of truth in political discourse.
Conclusion This episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast provides a critical examination of the newly released Epstein files, focusing on the discrepancies in Howard Lutnick's statements and the implications for Donald Trump and other political figures. The hosts combine investigative insights with their characteristic humor and banter, making complex political issues accessible to their audience.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOHoward Lutnick and the Epstein Files
3:09 to 6:00
Exploring Howard Lutnick's alleged connections with Jeffrey Epstein.
“Howard Lutnick has been utterly exposed in the recent release of a substantial portion of the Epstein files.”
Lutnick's Denial and Connections
6:13 to 10:35
Examining Lutnick's claims versus evidence of his interactions with Epstein.
“Now let's go through some of the emails that were released on Friday.”
Lutnick's Public Persona and Lies
10:37 to 14:02
Analyzing Howard Lutnick's public image and alleged dishonesty.
“I would like to invite you, this is to Epstein's people, I would like to invite you to attend a very intimate fundraising event with Hillary Clinton from 5.30 p.m.”
Howard Lutnick on Epstein
15:57 to 17:44
Discussion on Howard Lutnick's comments regarding Epstein and his connections.
“And so Miranda Devine asks him, she's the reporter from the New York Post, so why do people like Bill Gates and all these other people hang out around him?”
Lutnick's Perception of Trump
17:45 to 19:51
Exploration of Lutnick's interactions and comments about Donald Trump.
“And have you talked to Donald Trump about this and shared your theory?”
Email Revelations and Allegations
19:52 to 23:51
Examination of emails related to Epstein and allegations against Trump.
“Our national security people are on it, and they care about it, and I'm going to leave it to them to address with our allies, with our friends, and with everyone how they work it out.”
Transcript
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3:51Ben Meiselas:They were describing who their nannies were on emails with each other and with each other's representatives. and it seemed that they knew each other fairly well and had consistent interactions. But you see, Howard Lutnick, like the liar that he is, had continued to tell the public that he's had no interactions with Jeffrey Epstein since 2005. And as Howard Lutnick tells the story, which we now know is an utter lie, he says that he and Jeffrey Epstein lived right next to each other in New York City. That part is true. Everything else after that now we know is 100 % false, like everything else that spews out of Howard Lutnick's mouth.
4:33Ben Meiselas:So Howard Lutnick described what he claimed was his first and only interaction with Jeffrey Epstein. Lutnick said that Epstein comes over, invites Lutnick to show up at Epstein's townhouse, that Lutnick shows up, and Epstein shows Lutnick the massage table. And Lutnick says, oh, this is gross. Lutnick says he leaves immediately, goes home and tells his wife, this Jeffrey Epstein guy is a creep. He's disgusting. And then Howard Lutnick says, since that one interaction in 2005, I had no interaction with that disgusting human being. Not a professional, not a personal interaction, no interactions.
5:14Ben Meiselas:And recently, Howard Lutnick gave an interview with Miranda Devine from the New York Post where Howard Lutnick spewed those lies over and over again. And now when we see the files that were released on Friday, we know what we suspected before that that was an utter lie because everything Lutnick says is a total lie. So first, let me just show you the portion of the interview with Miranda Devine where Howard Lutnick says, I've never seen that creepy guy ever again. That disgusting guy. He says it like that since 2005. Watch this clip. Let's play it. That I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again.
5:59So I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's gross. All right. Now let's go through some of the emails that were released on Friday. So there are some who suspect that Howard Lutnick maybe is the fall guy in these Epstein files.
6:24Ben Meiselas:Maybe the plan right here is to put Howard Lutnick out front and center as somebody who was involved with Epstein and make him the face of the regime's closeness with Epstein. However, the regime and Donald Trump appear over and over again in the Epstein files. But first, let's take a look at this email right here. This is an email from David Ratner to Jeffrey Epstein. And here's what it says. This email is from November 14th, 2017. Hi, Jeffrey. Many thanks for your incredible donation in honor of Howard Lutnick. Would you like to take an ad and offer your own words of congratulations in our commemorative journal?
7:09Are you able to join us at the event itself on December 11th? And would you like a table inclusive of your generosity? Thank you. And this was in response to Jeffrey Epstein writing to someone named John Paulson on November 8th, 2017, saying$50 ,000 from me. Hope PR is okay. He gave$50 ,000 to an event where Howard Lutnick was being honored at. How about this email right here? Dated December 19th, 2012 through December 20th of 2012. Remember, Howard Lutnick said that he had no communications with Epstein at all because he said Epstein was disgusting. And he claimed he had no interaction since 2005.
7:58Well, let's take a look. Howard Lutnick, email dated December 19, 2012. Hi, Jeff. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Bart's Anguilla on Monday at some point. Where are you located? What is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcy Lehrman with me on my boat. And each of us has four children, two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11 and a seven-year-old. Thanks, Howard. And then there's a response right here. Jeffrey Epstein to his assistant, Leslie Groff, December 19th. Come Saturday or Sunday lunch, little St.
8:46James on the map behind Christmas Cove. Then Leslie Grove responds, FYI, I will let you know what he says. She's going to be reaching out on his behalf to Howard Lutnick about coming to the island and seeing Jeffrey Epstein. How about this email right here? October 3rd, 2013, where you have Jeffrey Epstein to a guy by the name of Richard Kahn.
9:10Ben Meiselas:It is a resume of Howard Lutnick's nanny. attached is the resume of Lutnick's nanny. I'm trying to arrange a time via Peter for you to meet her. That's apparently how close they were. They were talking about each other's nannies. How about this email right here? December 21st, 2012 and December 20th, 2012. You have Howard Lutnick to Leslie Groff, who's Epstein's assistant. Okay. Lunch on Sunday. See you then. then Leslie Groff to Matthew Lutnick. Seems like a family affair here. Hi, Matthew and Candace. Might you be able to give Redacted a few more details regarding lunch this Sunday? Do you know if it will just be Howard and his wife?
9:57Any kids coming along? Will they arrive at Jeffrey Epstein's island via their boat? And around what time is good for them? If you could pass along when you know, that would be great. and cc'd here, or the time that Howard Lutnick invited Jeffrey Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser at Cantor Fitzgerald in 2015 when Howard Lutnick purported to be a Democrat. But Howard Lutnick's entire life is being a phony, and it's just about proximity to power, and he was positioning himself to get a position of power. And also, it appears to deal with issues of his dark past as well. Take a look right here, November 3rd, 2015.
10:40This is from Howard Lutnick. I would like to invite you, this is to Epstein's people, I would like to invite you to attend a very intimate fundraising event with Hillary Clinton from 5.30 p.m. to 6.30 p.m. at Cantor Fitzgerald's office on November 1st. Please RSVP. Again, Howard Lutnick to Jeffrey Epstein right there. So now there are stories like this. Howard Lutnick visited Epstein Island, new releases show, but it's important to remember that Howard Lutnick is a complete and utter liar. I showed you the smaller portion of that clip earlier in this video. Let me share with you here when Howard Lutnick speaks with Miranda Devine and hear Howard Lutnick talks about that interaction in 2005 and watch what a sociopath is as he lies through his teeth.
11:29watch the ease with which he lies and how he almost enjoys it. It's quite disgusting to watch here playing this clip. He was your neighbor for 10 years. How well did you know him? All right. So we are in number 11 and he lives in number 9. Right. So we renovate, we buy our house and our house is pigeons and mice. Right. Okay. It was derelict. Right. So we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005. Jeffrey Epstein is arrested in like 08, I think. So knock on the door. His assistant on like a Saturday says, Mr. Epstein, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee. So my wife and I go next door.
12:16We walk seven steps to the next house for coffee. We share a wall. So it's in New York City. So he invites us in. We have coffee in this. And he says, do you want a tour? We said, great. Interesting. He's got a really big house. Every room you went into? He's got, well, I'll tell you. So his house is like super big, really wide. And so he gives me a tour in the living room, big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room. Yeah. And he opens the doors. And there's a massage table in the middle of the room. And candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful, cutting questions.
13:01I say to him, Massage table in the middle of your house? How often do you have a massage? And he says, Every day. And then he gets weirdly close to me. And he says, And the right kind of massage. Now my wife is standing here. So she looks at me. and I look at her and we say, I'm sorry, we have to go. And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him socially, for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's gross.
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16:22I mean, that's an incredible story that you could pick up that he was a pervert. It's gross. That guy's gross. Right? With my wife. The guy's gross. This was not, oh, the deep nuance of Howard Lutnick. This guy's gross. Right. So how come Bill Gates and all these other people could hang around him and not see what you saw? Or did they see it and ignore it? No, they participated. That's what his M.O. was. You know, get a massage, get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume, was on video. This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever. Blackmailed people. That's how he had money.
17:02So... So what happened to those videos? Why is there now such a dearth of information when, you know, Donald Trump's people are running the FBI and the DOJ. I assume way back when they traded those videos in exchange for him getting that 18-month sentence which allowed him to have visits and be out of jail. I mean, he's a serial sex offender. How could he get 18 months and be able to go to his office during the day and have visitors and stuff it must have been a trade. So my assumption, I have no knowledge, but my assumption is there was a trade for the videos because there were people on those videos.
17:46And have you talked to Donald Trump about this and shared your theory? No, I mean, he knows the story. Right. But like my story, that, you know, I was the one done with the guy. He knows that story, but that's it. And now if you watch some of Howard Lutnick's recent interviews about other topics, you start to see, and I think you knew already, just what a absolute sicko this guy is. And I know you're like, Ben, we knew that already. But I think this gives it additional context right here. Like, here's the recent interview he gave with Jesse Waters on state regime media, which calls itself Fox.
18:21And Howard Lutnick starts attacking California Governor Gavin Newsom because Gavin Newsom says we're handing out knee pads for all of the Trump bootlickers. and Lutnick's like, oh my God, that guy's talking about sex toys and knee pads. Sex toys and knee pads. You see what's going on in Lutnick's mind right there? Here, play this clip. So Newsom's over there and he's posturing. You know, he's throwing around knee pads. You're sitting there with the president of the United States. Is he tolerating this? Are you guys laughing about this? What's going on with this governor? he's literally laughing i mean he's like you can't believe it right i mean you just can't believe that this guy's gonna run for president and he's actually commenting about sex toys and and knee pads i mean you can't believe it it's it's outrageously entertaining and so the president just has to laugh because what else can you do you're not gonna just you know you know the president he's not gonna just shake his head he's like just cracking up going i can't believe I wouldn't be holding up a knee pad if I were running for president.
19:30And then recently, when Howard Lutnick was at Davos and he was sitting on a panel with other world foreign affairs ministers and leaders, Howard Lutnick was showing what a predator he is. Here, play this clip. Can I bring you back to Greenland? No. It's unnecessary. I'm sorry, it's the Western Hemisphere is vital for the United States of America. Our national security people are on it, and they care about it, and I'm going to leave it to them to address with our allies, with our friends, and with everyone how they work it out. But the Western Hemisphere matters to the United States of America, and the United States of America, as I've just articulated, really, really matters to the world.
20:12When America shines, the world shines, because they all need to make sure America is strong and powerful to take care of them, God forbid. And so I think America and the Western Hemisphere are vital to America, and I'm going to leave that to my national security people to address. Right. The rest of us, I think, are finding it harder to make that kind of separation, clearly. And here's how bizarre he is about Donald Trump. Whenever he does these interviews on state regime media or otherwise, he'll always be like, and Donald Trump is so strong. He's the strongest man I know. And you're here to play this clip.
20:52And did he let you sleep on the ride home on Air Force One? I slept for an hour. I did. I slept for one hour. Just an hour. He is the strongest... He is the strongest human being that I know. I mean, you know, he can wear me out, and I tell you, I've got plenty of energy. And he just works and works and works. It is a pleasure to be - Well, go get some sleep, Secretary. I think you guys need it. Great job over there. And this fight with China continues. It's a battle. Thank you. Okay, well, birds of a feather. This was from the Epstein files that were released on Friday. And these are allegations in a email that is titled Epstein Cellmate Interviews.
21:40And this is an email from different FBI agents to each other. And here's what the FBI agents say about Trump in an email that says cellmate interview Trump. It says Jane Doe stated Epstein introduced her to Trump, who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis, which is subsequently bite bitten. I think it's his bite. In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out. Jane Doe remembers Epstein introduced her to Trump saying this is a good one. And Trump responded, yeah, this is a good one, huh? That came out in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial with a Jane Doe witness as well.
22:22Also, when people talk about the cabal, this is a real email from Elon Musk to Jeffrey Epstein during that same period of time when Howard Lutnick was going to the island or talking about going to the island. This is from Elon Musk. what day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island? What day and night will the wildest party be on your island? Was that the night that Lutnick was heading there as well? And then you have Elon Musk denying that Epstein went to SpaceX, but it clearly appears that he went from these emails. And then talk about the cabal. You know how Donald Trump's very close with all these NFL owners and the NFL owners, you know, were all involved in helping Trump the first time getting Kaepernick on and all that.
23:09Well, this is a NFL owner of the New York Giants, Steve Tisch, who talks about a young Ukrainian woman and asks if she's a pro or a civilian. And they talk about, you know, Epstein facilitating a young Ukrainian girl or woman for Tisch. It's absolutely grotesque. This is the crude. Do you see that? This isn't speculation anymore. These are the people. I'm just reading you what the emails say. And we know that there are still three to four million emails and documents that are still missing that have not been turned over. That's a cabal right there. And it seems that Lutnik is having a lot of explaining to do right now.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s DOJ releasing Epstein files that reference Howard Lutnick’s numerous interactions with Epstein which directly contradicts statements Lutnick made to the public saying he hadn’t spoken to Epstein since 2005.
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