Trump Throws Vance Under Bus after Major Leaks on Him!!!

4 May 2026 · 24 min · 9 chapters

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In short

The host argues Donald Trump is publicly sidelining Vice President J.D. Vance after alleged leaks and humiliating him, while elevating Marco Rubio—highlighted by a Vatican snub ahead of a Pope meeting.

Guest backgrounds

No podcast guests are interviewed in the provided transcript. The episode references public figures (e.g., Christopher Hale of Letters to Leo; political scientist John Mearsheimer; Pope Leo XIV/Francis; Pete Buttigieg; Sean Hannity; Benny Johnson; Will Cain; Will Kane; Secret Service).

Key claims

Vance leaked information to The Atlantic, is being pushed out of administration events, and is “least popular” among VPs. Rubio’s diplomatic role is rising (Rubio to meet Pope Leo XIV; Vance barred). The Iran negotiations are failing, and both Rubio/Vance avoid being concession-makers.

Notable examples

The Atlantic exposé; Vance’s Fox interview denying the missile-stockpile quotes; Vance’s remarks at Turning Point USA about Pope Leo; Vance’s Gaza comments; Vance’s “bat phone” readiness quote on Hannity; Rubio DJing a wedding; a referenced University of Chicago professor’s claim Iran “won” the war.

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Trump's Public Snub of Vance

0:57 to 2:18

Discussing Trump's decision to prioritize Rubio over Vance in a diplomatic event.

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The Atlantic Exposé and Vance's Role

2:18 to 4:35

Analyzing an article from The Atlantic that portrays Vance as a central figure in Trump’s regime chaos.

“But let me describe what just went down of Donald Trump throwing Vance under the bus heading into this new week.”

Vance's Controversial Statements

4:35 to 8:02

Reviewing Vance's comments and media appearances related to military concerns and Epstein.

“Secretary of State Marco Rubio was DJing weddings.”

Vance's Meeting with Pope Francis

13:00 to 14:04

A look into J.D. Vance's past meeting with Pope Francis and its aftermath.

“Vance, lots of people were saying, it was like, did J.D.”

Gift Exchange and Well-Wishes

14:04 to 14:31

A discussion about gifts exchanged and expressing good wishes.

“these are the gifts these also gifts for you as well thank you it's beautiful vatican tie and then the rosaries for your wife white for your children and the one red one is for the red Thank you very much for your visit.”

Mocking J.D. Vance and MAGA Dorks

14:33 to 15:18

Analyzing right-wing reactions to J.D. Vance and the MAGA movement.

“Also, you have a lot of the right-wing podcasters mocking J.D.”

J.D. Vance's Popularity Ratings

15:20 to 17:58

Exploring J.D. Vance's declining popularity and comparisons with historical vice presidents.

“Nor can I imagine any leader we support telling the Pope what he ought to do on that.”

Marco Rubio's Wedding DJ Gig

17:59 to 19:02

Commentary on Marco Rubio's side gig as a wedding DJ amidst political chaos.

“It may just be a thing where Americans over time, we just hate everything.”

Political Strategy and Iran Negotiations

19:03 to 21:22

Insights on the reluctance of politicians to engage in Iran negotiations.

“And then finally, you know, let me share with you what the perspective of a well-known political scientist professor, Professor Mersheimer over in University of Chicago.”
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1:31Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump is throwing J.D. Vance under the bus after it appears that J.D. Vance got caught leaking information about Donald Trump and the Trump regime as J.D. Vance jockeys for power. And Donald Trump just humiliated J.D. Vance in public. And he basically elevated Marco Rubio vis-a-vis J.D. Vance, especially as right now people are saying, you know, who's going to come out of the Republican Party as their next potential presidential nominee, Rubio or Vance? And after what Vance has been doing, Donald Trump throwing Vance under the bus, frankly, both Rubio and Vance, in my opinion, are treasonous traitors and vile pieces of trash.

2:18Ben Meiselas:Let me just say that from the outset. But let me describe what just went down of Donald Trump throwing Vance under the bus heading into this new week. So Marco Rubio, it has been announced, is being dispatched to the Vatican over and above J.D. Vance. Our friend Christopher Hale at Letters to Leo or Letters from Leo was the first to break this story in a major diplomatic snub in Donald Trump, giving the middle finger to J.D. Vance, the highest ranking Catholic in the federal government. Donald Trump announced that Marco Rubio will be going solo and Vance is not allowed to even go this Thursday to meet with Pope Leo XIV.

3:03Ben Meiselas:This comes as lots of people in the MAGA movement believe Rubio's star is rising and Vance is falling. And lots of people are saying that Vance is continuing to humiliate Donald Trump, although I think Trump is frankly humiliating himself. Let's take a look at Christopher Hale's article. Then I'm going to come with some more receipts to bolster this article. So Donald Trump is sending Rubio. On Thursday, Rubio will be the one going to meet with Pope Leo the 14th. J.D. Vance will be home, all alone in Washington, sidelined from the administration's first cabinet level audience with the Pope since Donald Trump publicly broke with him over the Iran war.

3:50Ben Meiselas:It's a remarkable snub. Vance is the highest ranking Catholic in the federal government, the vice president of the United States, the man who flew to Rome last year with Rubio to embrace the new American Pope. Remember there's that famous scene though, where Vance was asking, this was last year, Pope Leo XIV to show up for America's 250th celebration in July. And Pope Leo XIV was like, yeah, I'm going to Lampedusa. I'm not going to be there. I'm going to be in Italy. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. And he kind of snubbed J.D. Vance as well. And lots of people are saying that this shows you the rift that's developing inside the White House where Vance is being pushed aside.

4:35Ben Meiselas:Rubio is now the guy. And by the way, Rubio was seen in Florida this past weekend DJing a wedding while Donald Trump's naval blockade in Iran continues to fail and falter as Iran continues to reject Donald Trump's lies about fake negotiations. Secretary of State Marco Rubio was DJing weddings. That's what he's doing. So let's talk about, though, where this snub, I think, is originating from as well. So The Atlantic, right, of all places, The Atlantic, which has published these exposés on Donald Trump, his regime, Kash Patel and others, they published this exposé about the Trump regime in chaos.

5:22Ben Meiselas:and in the Atlantic story, J.D. Vance is basically the hero. There are all these aides and advisors to J.D. Vance who were giving quotes either on background or somewhat off the record, if you will, and it was pretty scathing about how all of these people around Donald Trump are horrible and Trump doesn't know what he's doing, and J.D. Vance is the guy who told everybody, here's what you got to do. Here's how you got to handle things. J.D. Vance is giving all of the warnings. So J.D. Vance was brought on state regime media, which calls itself Fox. And he was asked by the host, Will Kane, well, what do you make of this article?

6:06Ben Meiselas:And J.D. Vance is like, well, you know, look, I don't know. There's all these sources that are not people. This didn't come from us at all. And then he confirms the story on Fox, just so you can see for yourself what went down. And so you had this incident. Then you have Donald Trump basically saying, yeah, J.D. Vance, you're sidelined. Here, play this clip. Atlantic. And it says that sources with inside your office are telling the Atlantic that you've been expressing some real concerns about missile depletion through the war with Iran. They read as follows. In closed door meetings, J.D. Vance has repeatedly questioned the Defense Department's depiction of the war in Iran, and whether the Pentagon has understated what appears to be the drastic depletion of U.S.

6:50missile stockpiles. Are you concerned on this front? Are you concerned about our missile stockpiles?

6:58Well, let me say two things about that report, Will. So first of all, most of these reports I ignore. This one I actually read because it ascribed views to me and things that I had allegedly said that I am just 100 % certain that I have never said. And in particular, there's a lot in that story, Will, and you know how this game works, that is attributed to people who describe themselves as Vance advisors. You know, an Vance advisor could be a staff member that I see every single day. It could also be a random person off the street that I've talked to once at the White House Correspondents Association dinner.

7:30What I feel confident about, Will, is that nobody who actually knows what I think, nobody who's close to me was speaking to that reporter, because if they did, then it would have been a totally different story. Now, to answer your question, Will, of course, I'm concerned about, you know, our readiness, because that's my job to be concerned. But I think that Pete Hegseth, our Department of War secretary, I think General Cain, our chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they're doing an amazing job. But it's, of course, my job to ask these questions. It's, of course, my job to make sure that we're on top of every issue.

8:02And of course, it's the president's job too. And I think that both of us are very focused on that, but we've got a great military, a military.

8:09Ben Meiselas:And then it wasn't just that, right? The week before that, or about a week and a half before that, when J.D. Vance was talking at a Turning Point USA event, the way he described the Epstein files is, he goes, I don't want people being involved. I don't want powerful people being involved in this disgusting behavior regarding the Epstein files. intent is probably talking about, you know who, here, play this clip. I don't want powerful people, you know, being involved in this disgusting behavior, but I have to defend the president on this. And then J.D. Vance, we all remember when J.D. Vance was on Sean Hannity and talked about how, you know, look, Donald Trump's healthy, but if something were to happen to him, I'd be ready to step up.

8:58Ben Meiselas:We all remember that, right? Let's play that clip. You seem to go with the flow pretty well. Do you have quiet moments? You think about that? Yeah, honestly, Sean, I try not to. I mean, one, I serve under Donald Trump, who is very healthy. He casts a pretty big shadow. He casts a big shadow. But if I served under Joe Biden, I'd probably be worried every minute of every day that he was going to croak and that I'd have to become president. But because I serve a president. You have a bat phone. Okay. Did it just happen? Like I'd never be able to sleep. I'd always have my cell phone as loud as possible.

9:29But no, the president won. You know, he's he's he's got a lot of energy. He's extremely healthy. So I don't think about that. Obviously, that's part of the job is you've got to be ready if tragedy strikes.

9:39Ben Meiselas:Also, one of the things that Donald Trump surely was watching was when J.D. Vance was at this Turning Point USA event recently. He said this is where he said, you know, Pope Leo, the 14th better be careful about what he think, what he's saying about Catholicism. You better be careful, Pope. And then also there were people in the crowd who were calling J.D. Vance out and Donald Trump for genocide in Gaza. And then J.D. Vance starts yelling at the person in the crowd and got really unhinged. Let me show you what went down here playing this clip. I think it's very, very important for the Pope to be careful when he talks about matters of theology.

10:20And I think that one of these issues here is that there has been is again. Hey, random dude screaming. I told you I'd respond to your point. I just want to respond to this question first. But I think one of the issues here is that if you're going to opine on matters of theology, you've got to be careful. You've got to make sure it's anchored in the truth. Now, to respond to this guy here, he said, I believe he said the administration supports a genocide in Gaza. And here's my response to that. When we came in, the humanitarian situation in Gaza was an absolute catastrophe. You know who's the person who got a peace agreement in Gaza?

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12:59Ben Meiselas:We also shouldn't forget that J.D. Vance, lots of people were saying, it was like, did J.D. Vance kill the last Pope? J.D. Vance met with Pope Francis, who was the predecessor to Pope Leo XIV, and then literally the next day, Pope Francis died. Remember, J.D. Vance was demanding this audience in front of Pope Francis, and then Pope Francis was like sick and frail and he met with J.D. Vance and just I'll remind you of what went down. And then the next day, Pope Francis died. Play this clip. Hello. So good to see you. God bless you and have you. Good morning. How are you? Fine yourself. Yeah, thank you.

13:41Happy Easter to you, Father. Wonderful. I know you've not been feeling great, but it's good to see you in better health. That's good.

13:58thank you these are these are for your children thank you these are the gifts these also gifts for you as well thank you it's beautiful vatican tie and then the rosaries for your wife white for your children and the one red one is for the red Thank you very much for your visit. Of course, of course. And thank you for seeing me.

14:29Ben Meiselas:Pray for you every day. God bless you. Also, you have a lot of the right-wing podcasters mocking J.D. Vance as like a dork and saying, you know, you have all these MAGA dorks. And J.D. Vance, like, thinks that he's a cool guy. And so when J.D. Vance was asked by Benny Johnson on Benny Johnson's podcast. So what do you make of Joe Rogan saying that, you know, there's all these MAGA dorks out there? We don't want to be part of these. Why are these dorks part of our movement? Watch what J.D. Vance said. Play this clip. Joe says MAGA is full of dorks. What do you think? You consider yourself a dork?

15:06He says MAGA is dorks. I think we have many, many fewer dorks than the far left, but everybody's got some dorks. We love our dorks. We love our cool kids. We love anybody who wants to save the country.

15:17Ben Meiselas:He also got roasted by Pete Buttigieg. Here, let's play it.

15:27Nor can I imagine any leader we support telling the Pope what he ought to do on that.

15:34That's crazy. He's been Catholic about as long as I've been middle-aged, and he thinks he can lecture the Pope on Catholic theology.

15:43Ben Meiselas:Let's also not forget that when this alleged incident happened at the White House Correspondents Dinner, the Secret Service took J.D. Vance before Donald Trump, which I think was also on Donald Trump's mind as well. Like, wait a minute, they took Vance before me? They went to say Vance first? Is Vance working with the Secret Service behind my back? Just so you remember what happened. Watch, they take Vance first. Then Donald Trump falls all over himself. Here, play this clip.

16:40Ben Meiselas:Should also be noted that J.D. Vance is the least popular vice president in American history. I mean, Trump's the least popular president in American history, less popular than Nixon at the time of Nixon's resignation. J.D. Vance, the least popular VP. Let's just play this clip to show you the numbers. Let's play this clip. So Vice President Vance, how's he doing? How popular? Yeah, J.D. Vance is not doing too hot to trot at this point. Look at this. OK, J.D. Vance is not popular. This should actually be a plus. There we go. Plus three points. Then we go to minus 18 points at this point. That is a 21 point swing in the wrong direction.

17:22J.D. Vance started off his vice presidency in plus territory and now he is in negative territory. Down he goes. J.D. Vance getting dragged down along with the president of the United States. Where does he run? Maybe along with, maybe because of that. We don't know that. But where does he rank among other vice presidents? Yeah, you look at other vice presidents, look at this, at this point in their vice presidency, historically the worst, worst at this point in a vice presidency. Kamala Harris was at minus 13. Mike Pence was at minus seven. Joe Biden was at plus four. Dick Cheney was at plus 37.

17:54This might be part of a longer trend of vice presidents becoming unpopular. But we can say J.D. Vance is historically the least popular vice president at this point in their vice presidency. That is notable. It may just be a thing where Americans over time, we just hate everything. Yeah, that's true. Increasingly. But I love you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Even though a lot less than you did in 2002.

18:13Ben Meiselas:All of this is going on. Here was Marco Rubio DJing this weekend at a wedding. He's a wedding DJ, everybody. It's not like, you know, important things are happening. I'm being sarcastic. Here, play this clip.

19:03Ben Meiselas:And then finally, you know, let me share with you what the perspective of a well-known political scientist professor, Professor Mersheimer over in University of Chicago. And he's like, look, again, this top professor, University of Chicago on international affairs. He's like, look, Iran won this war. Okay. Trump lost this war. He's like, so now you have Rubio and Vance. They don't even want to be affiliated with the negotiations in Iran at all because they know that America lost this war. And so none of them want to be seen as the person who gives concessions because then they'll be viewed as a loser.

19:39Ben Meiselas:So they're trying to avoid it. It's a good perspective. I agree with this, what Professor Mersheimer says here. Play it. One, I understand that there are two members of the administration who desperately want to become president in 2028. One is Marco Rubio and the other is J.D. Vance. And both of them understand that if you get involved in these negotiations, you're in the end are going to end up making significant concessions to the Iranians, because the Iranians are in the driver's seat here. We've basically lost this war. And if you make those concessions, if you're the point person for making those concessions, you're going to take a lot of heat from the Israel lobby.

20:23You're going to be in trouble with the lobby, and that's going to make it hard to become president. it. So you can rest assured that J.D. Vance has no interest in going to Islamabad and being the point man in the negotiations with the Iranians. I don't know if he can wash that stain off his hands. I agree with you, but he might be indelibly damaged already. I think that may be true, for sure. But I would just say to you, Rubio has done a brilliant job, given the fact that he's Secretary of State and National Security Advisor at staying out of these negotiations, because he fully understands, I am sure, that he just doesn't want to get involved, because in the end, we're going to lose the lobby, and Israel itself are going to be outraged by any compromises that we make, and whoever actually makes those compromises is going to pay a significant political price.

21:22Ben Meiselas:Let me know what you think, everybody. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 7 million subscribers. Thanks everybody for watching.

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