Trump’s Dark Past Surfaces and Aides Lose Control

14 Jul 2025 · 19 min · 7 chapters

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In short

The episode alleges chaos inside the Trump administration’s FBI/DOJ over handling Jeffrey Epstein “client lists/files,” including claims that a DOJ memo says there’s “no such thing” as an Epstein list while showing allegedly manipulated surveillance footage and withholding other documents. It also claims right-wing officials turned cover-up agents, sparking infighting and threats to quit.

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The transcript names no podcast guests; it features commentary by the host and references to reporters and influencers (e.g., Mary Margaret O’Hanlon, Robbie Starbuck, Megyn Kelly, Laura Loomer, Charlie Kirk).

Key claims

Todd Blanche memo shuts down Epstein investigation; metadata analysis (Wired) suggests video was edited in Adobe Premiere; Trump wanted to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell; Trump is “Doe 174” in records; Trump appears in flight logs, “black book,” depositions, and Atlantic City/Mar-a-Lago pipelines.

Notable examples

Virginia Giuffre (homeless at 17, worked at Mar-a-Lago) allegedly brought to Epstein by Ghislaine; a 14-year-old victim allegedly introduced to Trump; alleged missing footage outside Epstein’s prison cell; Turning Point USA binders controversy; Bongino/Patel previously promised to release Epstein files, now allegedly pressured not to.

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Unpacking the Epstein Connection

0:45 to 4:00

The hosts delve into the implications of Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein and the ongoing investigation.

“Oh, and by the way, let us show you this video taped the surveillance footage, which we purport to be the surveillance footage taken outside of Epstein's prison cell before he died.”

Trump's Complicity and Cover-Up

4:00 to 7:20

Discussion centers on Trump's involvement with Epstein and the cover-up efforts by his aides.

“In any event, Bongino Patel said they would release it.”

Chaos Among Trump’s Inner Circle

7:20 to 11:10

The hosts explore the internal conflicts and chaos within Trump's team regarding the Epstein investigation.

“Now, folks, there was also signs that Bongino was pretty soft a month ago or so where he went on Fox and he was whining about how hard his job is as though like he never worked a job before in his life.”

Influencers and Public Reaction

11:10 to 14:00

Discussion on the reactions of right-wing influencers to Trump's administration and the Epstein case.

“Some people said he didn't show up on Wednesday and he's been gone for some time, but he hasn't been working.”

Trump's Interactions at the Party

14:00 to 14:34

Learn about Trump's behavior and comments at the party with Epstein.

“Trump alternates between dancing and pointing out women to Epstein and the other man and telling Epstein about the cameras.”

Speculations on Team Changes

14:34 to 14:55

Discuss speculations about potential resignations among Trump's aides.

“But as the president says now, he never liked Epstein.”

Closing Remarks

15:01 to 15:12

Concluding thoughts about the importance of truth and a call to action.

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0:00Ben Meiselas:So who's going to quit first? Is it going to be the FBI Director Cash Patel? Is it going to be the Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino? Is it going to be the Attorney General Pam Bondi, who seems to be digging in her heels? It is a cluster you-know-what, and all things are imploding in the Trump regime right now in the FBI and the DOJ. after that memo came out from Donald Trump's former criminal defense lawyer turned number two, the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, who put out this memo and said, there's no such thing as an Epstein list. There's no such thing as Epstein files. Nothing incriminating to see here, folks.

0:43Ben Meiselas:We're shutting down the investigation. Oh, and by the way, let us show you this video taped the surveillance footage, which we purport to be the surveillance footage taken outside of Epstein's prison cell before he died. And we're going to have one minute missing. Oh, and by the way, if you do an analysis of the metadata as forensic experts did with Wired, it turns out it was put through Adobe Premiere. It was a number of videos cut and pasted and manipulated together. Heather. Oh, and you dig deeper. Donald Trump wanted to give a pardon to Ghislaine Maxwell a few years back or when Donald Trump was in his first term.

1:23Ben Meiselas:That's what was going on. Let's dig deeper, folks, and let's talk about what's going down. So Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, before leading the FBI, which they do right now, they were right wing podcasters. They were out there saying we're going to release the Epstein files right away. They were saying that the Epstein files is the biggest issue that MAGA should be focused on. It was all day, all time. One of their big issues was Epstein, the secret cabal that was being run. They were going to expose it all. Then they get jobs in the Trump regime, and then they are pushed to cover up the Epstein list.

1:59Ben Meiselas:Then why, why, why? It's very simple. I've done so many videos on this, so I don't want to seem redundant, but Trump's going to be all over the list and all over the files and whatever else exists. How do I know this? Because Trump is Doe 174. He's in the files. He's identified as one of the people around Epstein as Doe 174. Trump identified himself being around Epstein. Back in 2002, we said Epstein's a great guy who likes women on the younger side. Epstein used Mar-a-Lago as one of the areas where he found the girls he sex trafficked. Virginia Giuffre, who recently died by suicide, was homeless at the age of 17.

2:40Ben Meiselas:She got a job at Mar-a-Lago. What happens next? Ghislaine Maxwell, close friends with Donald Trump. He wished her well at her sex trafficking case where she was basically put away for life. She would go into Mar-a-Lago. She found Virginia Jufres, brought an underage girl who was working at Mar-a-Lago to Epstein, an Epstein sex trafficker. That was the pipeline that existed. Trump is all over Epstein's flight logs that were released and only a small portion was released. Trump is in the black book that was released. Trump is in deposition transcripts that says sex trafficking victims would go to Atlantic City with Epstein, go to Trump's properties there.

3:20Ben Meiselas:A 14-year-old girl who was now a woman, but 14 years old at the time, who testified in Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking case, said that she was introduced to Donald Trump when she was a 14-year-old underage girl. I can keep going on and on and on, but there are so many connections. Donald Trump's seen partying with Epstein. They were super close friends. They got into a fight in 2004 over a real estate project, and Epstein said that he broke up the relationship with Trump, if anything. So Donald Trump knows he's going to be all over this because he is all over it to begin with. So I've always said to you all, why are they making this their biggest issue when Trump is going to be all over?

4:00Ben Meiselas:In any event, Bongino Patel said they would release it. Now they're not releasing it and they are pissed. As Mary Margaret Olihan reports, source close to the DOJ says that Kash Patel also wants Pam Bondi gone, wants her fired, and that he'd consider leaving if Bongino leaves. Also, that there are more frustrations with other documents Bondi hasn't released. Now, whether it's a single list, multiple files, as I've said before, I can tell you where I would look just to find the files of Donald Trump. Please produce all documents relating to Doe 174. Produce all grand jury testimony from the 14-year-old victim who is referenced in the criminal case.

4:43Ben Meiselas:I want all of the other flight logs. I want all of these surveillance footage, all communications between Epstein and Trump, all visits to Marla. Give me all of the surveillance tapes. It'd be very easy to find what exists out there, especially as it relates to Donald Trump. Because in the fraction that exists and that was turned over, I assume there's probably 10 % that's already out there, 90 % remaining. In that 10%, there's all that stuff that I've just mentioned of Donald Trump. No, the right wing influencers are pissed. Cat turd, they have it out. They want Bondi gone. They go, if Pam Bondi thinks she doesn't have to address the Epstein debacle, she's delusional.

5:25Ben Meiselas:She should have a long process, a long press conference days ago. Robbie Starbuck, another MAGA influencer, goes, if it's Dan Bongino or Pam Bondi, there's absolutely no contest. You can't replace Dan with someone better, but you can absolutely replace Pam with someone better. Pam should resign or be fired this weekend. Her fumbling of the Epstein case is hurting the entire administration of this point. Alan Smith of NBC News writes, Bongino is out of control furious. A person who has spoken with deputy FBI director said this has destroyed his career. He's threatening to quit and torch Pam Bondi unless she is fired.

6:06Ben Meiselas:And here is Pam Bondi right there. And she's not going anywhere. Megyn Kelly says can confirm it's Bongino or Bondi. And the pick is obvious. Bondi must go. And just so you know, someone like Dan Bongino, he was out there making a lot of money off of talking about Epstein this, Epstein that. And now he's viewed as the deep state that he was railing against. He's Mr. Deep State right now. So he knows he's done. He knows he's over unless he can get rid of Bondi and then he could become the hero in his own fascist cosplay narrative right here. I do want to show you this side by side though, because I feel it's very revealing our editor-in-chief, Ron Filipkowski, put this together.

6:53Ben Meiselas:On the left, how you build a right-wing talk show audience. On the right, after becoming FBI deputy director. Here, play this clip. Listen, that Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal. Please do not let that story go. Keep your eye on this. Catherine Rumler, we need to keep the heat on this case, folks. There are a lot of people who are knee deep in the washington swamp who are not telling you the truth about serious allegations out there that epstein may have had video and audio of people out there doing things they shouldn't have been doing and you should be asking yourself the question how is it that all these people the cia director the obama fixer bill clinton all intersected past with jeffrey epstein jeffrey epstein isn't with us anymore and nobody seems to want to talk about it outside of a few entrepreneurial media outlets saying, hey, this is a big deal.

7:46Ben Meiselas:He killed himself. Again, you want me to? I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. Now, folks, there was also signs that Bongino was pretty soft a month ago or so where he went on Fox and he was whining about how hard his job is as though like he never worked a job before in his life. He's like, I got to show up to work and I got to I got to I got to go to an office every morning. And you could even see the Fox hosts are looking at him as he's like, it's been a tough one on the family. You know, it's been so tough for me. And here's just just just watch this here, play this clip. What did you think the job was going to be like?

8:25Ben Meiselas:What is it like? You know, the biggest lifestyle change for me has been family wise. I mean, we already went through this with my time in the Secret Service. But, you know, when the president called and asked if I would take the job, you know, you can't tell your audience for years, go out and do stuff. Talk is cheap. And then when the opportunity comes to do stuff, I didn't mean me. You know, I meant you. It's kind of a you're a fraud. I mean, you don't sound like a fraud. You are one. So it was a lot. It's been tough on the family. People ask me all the time, you know, do you like it? I say, no, I don't but I didn't the president asked me to do this to like it you know you know what he likes going into an organization like that and and having to change things and make big bold changes but you know I was at one of our facilities yesterday down in Winchester and a woman who worked there very nice said you know I used to watch your show I miss you I said you know I miss me too you know part of you part of part of you dies a little bit when you see all this stuff from behind the scenes and I'll show you another clip of him whining right here here play this clip I I mean, I gave up everything for this.

9:30Ben Meiselas:I mean, you know, my wife is struggling. I'm not a victim. I'm not Jim Comey. It's fine. I did this and I'm proud I did it. But if you think we're there for tea and crumpets, well, I mean, cash is there all day. We share it. Our offices are linked. He turns on the faucet. I hear it. He's there. He gets in like six o 'clock in the morning. He doesn't leave till seven at night. You know, I'm in there at seven thirty in the morning. You know, he uses the gym. I work out in my apartment. But I stare at these four walls all day in D.C., you know, by myself, divorced from my wife, not divorced, but I mean, separated, divorced.

10:04Ben Meiselas:And it's hard. I mean, you know, we love each other and it's hard to be a part. But you're doing some great work. You're starting out at the FBI. You move in buildings. There's a lot of change. Now, here's what Laura Loomer says. Here's her scoop. And she's got a lot of good sources in the White House, believe it or not. The DOJ is now in chaos and they are in preservation mode, trying to get Kash Patel and the FBI to defend scam Blondie. That's what they call Pam Bondi now, Scam Blondi. And Astro turfed their false narrative that there is no disagreement between Blondi and Bongino. The DOJ is trying to get Cash to say things he doesn't want to say to make Blondi look good, according to a source at the DOJ privy to the discussions.

10:42Ben Meiselas:Even Blondi's own team is starting to feel very uncomfortable with her asks to get Cash and Bongino to say things they don't want to say in her defense in light of my exclusive report today about Bongino taking the day off. and contemplating resigning from the FBI over Blondie's mishandling of the Epstein files and her lack of transparency, right? So on Friday, Bongino just runs away from the office and I'm not showing up to work anymore. I'm done working. So he doesn't show up on Friday. Some people said he didn't show up on Wednesday and he's been gone for some time, but he hasn't been working.

11:20Ben Meiselas:And so we all think that he's probably gone at this point. And it's possible after I record this, he's gone. So I'll just throw it out there. To remind everybody, you had Pam Bondi in February saying that the Epstein client list was sitting on her desk and she was going to be ready to release it. Here's what she said. Let's play it. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

11:59Ben Meiselas:So have you seen anything that you said, oh, my gosh? Not yet. OK, well, we'll check back with you. Remember, she brought over all those right wing influencers who held up the phase one Epstein binder. It wasn't new Epstein material. It was the old stuff. It was Epstein's phone list, which, by the way, Trump's name was also on that. But they all got redacted versions of that. Friday, there was a big conference that was held at Turning Point USA, big MAGA conference that was held. Charlie Kirk speaking with Megyn Kelly. Here's what went down. Let's play it. No, we all have busy lives and President Trump has a busy life.

12:36And I don't think he realizes how much he's humiliated the administration. This is a self-inflicted wound. She caused it. Again, I have nothing against Pam Bondi, but if you want to look for the villain in this story, we have found her. I mean, she is the person who's either she's either lying now or she was lying then. There's no two ways about it.

12:52Ben Meiselas:Here's what Charlie Kirk says about those influencers who he says Bondi screwed. Let's play it. So but Megan, you make a very astute point. And let me add to it, which is that she also brought in some of our best influencers, people that I care about deeply. Jack Posobiec, who's incredible. Libs of TikTok, Chaya. dc drano yeah and she gave them these binders and she humiliated them yeah and you guys know what i'm talking about where she like did this stuff with the binders and you guys were upset you shouldn't be upset the influencers they were handed these binders like there was something incredible in it is what you would do to an enemy let me just remind you here's trump partying with epstein here play this clip i'm gonna get great ratings in your show trump is surrounded by women as music blares in the background.

13:43After a while, Trump goes to greet three new guests, among them the financier Jeffrey Epstein, more than a decade before his guilty plea on state prostitution charges. Later in the footage, Trump is seen talking to Epstein and another man as women are dancing in front of them. Trump alternates between dancing and pointing out women to Epstein and the other man and telling Epstein about the cameras. Though exactly what they say is difficult to understand as they discuss the women and their appearances, Trump gestures to one and appears to say to Epstein, look at her back there. She's hot. And then Trump says something else into Epstein's ear that makes him double over with laughter.

14:34But as the president says now, he never liked Epstein.

14:38Ben Meiselas:There you have it, folks. Judge for yourself. Who's going to quit? Is it going to be Bongino? Is it going to be Patel? Is it going to be Scam Blondie? Scam Blondie. People are crazy. Hit subscribe. Let's get to six million subscribers together. The truth is more important than ever. Check out our new Truth Over Lies collection at store.midustouch.com. All 100 % USA union made.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s top aides at the FBI and DOJ pointing fingers at each other and getting ready to quit as Trump’s past resurfaces.

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