In short
The episode argues that Kash Patel’s leadership of the FBI shows “full collapse” in the investigation of Charlie Kirk’s killer.
Key claims
Patel’s FBI misidentified the suspect multiple times, posted the wrong person as “in custody,” issued a retraction, and allegedly suggested weapon cartridges had “transgender ideology” on them (a claim the host calls nonsensical). The host says Tyler Robinson ultimately confessed to his father after being recognized from video; the father told pastors, who contacted marshals/police, leading to arrest—implying the FBI played little role. Notable examples cited: Patel’s alleged nervousness at a press conference; Patel’s public posts about the suspect being in custody then released; a lawsuit by former FBI officials (Brian Driscoll, Steven Jensen, Spencer Evans) over retribution firings; and Patel’s prior controversial statements about Epstein files and yelling at Sen. Patty Murray.
Guests
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFailures of the FBI in Kirk Investigation
0:56 to 3:05
Discussing the FBI's mishandling of the investigation into Charlie Kirk's killer.
“showing how unqualified and inexperienced Kash Patel has always been, which we have always been warning about, which anybody with a brain has been warning about as well.”
Kash Patel's Background and Actions
3:05 to 7:25
Analyzing Kash Patel's history and questionable actions as FBI director.
“You just humiliated proud law enforcement, by your behavior.”
Kash Patel's Background and Actions
8:21 to 9:14
Analyzing Kash Patel's history and questionable actions as FBI director.
“I've spent hours waiting for the right candidates to apply, then sorting through endless resumes.”
Kash Patel's Press Conference and Criticism
9:25 to 14:00
Examining Patel's press conference and the backlash following the investigation.
“Now, more information emerges about FBI Director Patel.”
Kash Patel's Controversial Actions
14:00 to 14:48
Learn about the allegations against Kash Patel regarding his firing of FBI agents.
“Again, as I mentioned, there was the lawsuit filed by the FBI agents against Patel this week, Brian Driscoll, Steven Jensen, Spencer Evans.”
The Epstein Files Controversy
14:48 to 15:40
Discussion on Kash Patel's contradictory statements regarding the Epstein files.
“But folks, I mean, this follows all of the Kash Patel kind of missteps along the way, right?”
Kash Patel's Confrontation with Senator Murray
15:40 to 16:50
An exploration of Kash Patel's heated exchanges during Senate hearings.
“And that's what I'm going to give them on everything.”
Concerns Over FBI Leadership
16:50 to 17:45
Analysis of the current FBI director's suitability for the role amidst political pressures.
“And he's a very deeply unserious person, right?”
Transcript
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0:55Ben Meiselas:So the FBI was an unmitigated disaster in its investigation into the killer of Charlie Kirk, showing how unqualified and inexperienced Kash Patel has always been, which we have always been warning about, which anybody with a brain has been warning about as well. Kash Patel's FBI misidentified the killer multiple times. Kash Patel's FBI posted that they found the suspect and he was in custody when they actually had the wrong guy, an Arab Charlie Kirk supporter, who they just basically racially profiled. Then they had to issue a retraction. Then the FBI and ATF put out statements basically suggesting that on the cartridges associated with the weapon that it had transgender ideology inscribed on the cartridges.
1:57Ben Meiselas:What the hell does that even mean? Transgender ideology. You then had Kash Patel at that press conference where they had not identified the killer. And Kash Patel looked so nervous. His head was jerking left to right. He didn't even say a word. I mean, he was too scared to speak. And then finally, Tyler Robinson, who is the alleged killer, confessed to his father after his father said, hey, that looks like you on the video. Did you do it, son? The son said, yes, I did it. The dad then told his friends who were pastors. The pastors called the marshals and the police, and then they arrested Tyler Robinson.
2:42Ben Meiselas:That's how it was uncovered. The FBI had nothing to do with it. Tyler Robinson confessed. The alleged suspect confessed to his dad and his dad told someone they turned him in. It's basically what went down. But Kash Patel then gave this bizarre press conference where he was like, and this is how you are a cop. Cops, this is what happens when you put policing first. Dude, what are you talking about? You just humiliated proud law enforcement, by your behavior. You also showed what happens when you fire the experienced people at the FBI who filed a lawsuit against you, Kash Patel and the FBI this week.
3:25Ben Meiselas:People like the former acting director of the FBI, Driscoll, Brian Driscoll. People like Steven Jensen, one of the top people who dealt with counterterrorism there. Spencer Evans, a 20-year veteran. And you fired him because Donald Trump said he wanted retribution against the FBI. And this is also what happens when you fire the head of the Utah field office, a Pakistani American woman by the name of Metab Saeed, who ran counterterrorism for a long time in Washington, D.C. She was a Pakistani attache, the American office there. After 9-11, she devoted her life to the FBI. And then you forced her out a few weeks back.
4:11Ben Meiselas:That's what happens when you lose your field office chief as well, because he didn't want women and Pakistani women to be running the FBI office, even though you Kash Patel are Hindu, you're racially profiling the Pakistani head of the field office. Okay. Well, if you look back at Kash Patel's back, by the way, you know, it's Midas touch. So we're going to come with all of the receipts here. But Kash Patel was a freaking podcaster. A bad one too. A right-wing extremist, bad, cringy, Trump cultist podcaster. And this is the guy who leads the FBI? I mean, I think I'm a pretty decent podcaster. I think that I bring receipts.
4:56Ben Meiselas:I think I bring the skills that I had as a trial lawyer. I think a good podcaster. Now, if future Democratic presidents have been, I want you to serve your country and I want you to be the FBI director. I would look at them and say, have you heard about the 25th Amendment? Because you must not be of sound mind if you want me to be an FBI director. I'm going to stay doing my podcast, go grab a coffee now and then, walk with my daughter up and down the block. I'm going to stay here, not become an FBI director. Okay. But Kash Patel would sell the shirts like this, based. He would sell based shirts.
5:37Ben Meiselas:Or Kash Patel boasted about a dog urinating on political opponents in children's books. And he would sell those caps. K-Money, K-Money H. That was his logo. K-Money H. That's what he called himself because his last name is cash. Very creative. Trump's FBI director nominee class at that time classified the dog peeing on political opponents as fun. Cash Patel would share videos launching United States senators heads out of catapults and posing with the severed heads in his hands. Cash Patel would post AI generated videos of himself chainsawing the heads off of members of Congress, political opponents, and media outlets.
6:26Ben Meiselas:Kash Patel was selling magic pills, which would supposedly cleanse your body of the COVID vaccine to reverse the vax if you ever had one, a complete scam. He called it an mRNA detox that he sold for lots of money. He sold the K-Dollasine H-T's for a limited time. He said, let's go making some noise, wizards and warlock style, meme lord. And he would post meme lord photos of himself and he would sell flags. Trumpamania flags are here, brother, at the K dollar sign H star, y 'all. That's what Kash Patel was doing before he was the FBI director. I mean, quite literally, if you put a list of people, you say, who would you not want to run the FBI?
7:16Ben Meiselas:why Kash Patel would just be right up there for me. But you know who's running counterterrorism right at the FBI right now? A 22-year-old former intern named Thomas Fugate III. I think he was like a gardener. He has zero law enforcement experience. And that's the guy who's in charge with one of the biggest positions in the FBI, a 22-year-old intern. It's like Donald Trump wants people to get hurt. Wouldn't you think that's the outcome here? So let's just go through some receipts, shall we? I mean, I showed you some of those receipts of Kash Patel's background as a weirdo right-wing podcaster. Well, here he was the other night at the press conference.
7:58Ben Meiselas:This is the guy who's supposed to be in charge. Look how visibly nervous he is. Here play this clip. Sorry about that.
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9:27Ben Meiselas:Now, more information emerges about FBI Director Patel. Turns out he was at, am I saying this right? If I'm saying it wrong, my brother who loves this restaurant. is it Rayo's or is it Rouse? I think I'm going to go with Rayo's. And if I'm wrong, just you could put it in the comments and everybody to get mad at me. Rayo's or Rouse. Crap. Forget the pronunciation. Anyway, it's one of the hardest meal tickets to get. You can tell that I eat most of my meals as microwave stouffers because I don't know how to say a basic name. The night that Kash Patel was posting that they found the guy who wasn't the guy.
10:07Ben Meiselas:He was dining at one of the top restaurants, one of the hardest to eat at restaurants in Manhattan. FBI Director Kash Patel was dining at Rao's in New York on Wednesday night after the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. Two sources familiar with his whereabouts told NBC News. Patel had posted on X at 6.21 p.m. Eastern time that the subject in Kirk's killing was in custody. Rao's is a well-known restaurant that is notoriously tough to get into. Opens at 7 p.m. Then at 7.59 p.m., Patel posted a follow-up post that the subject in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. The details come amid criticism from multiple former FBI officials of Patel's handling of the Kirk investigation.
10:55Ben Meiselas:One law enforcement official said that the horrific event of Kirk's killing showcased Patel's public inability to meet the moment as a leader. In response to a question about whether Patel was at the restaurant when he posted about the investigation, as well as a request for comment about the criticism of the director, the FBI said in a statement that it worked with our law enforcement partners in Utah to bring justice to the individual allegedly responsible for the horrific murder of Charlie Kirk. We will continue to be transparent with the American people with real-time updates as we are available.
11:31Ben Meiselas:Reo's aroused to not immediately provide a comment to NBC News. Now, Kash Patel during that press conference after Tyler Robinson effectively turned himself in and Patel and his FBI and local law enforcement really did nothing here. Again, I think local law enforcement was trying to do things, but Patel wasn't helping him out. Patel says, this is what happens when you let good cops be cops. Huh? Huh? Why don't you go back to Rao's here? Play this clip. Thank you, governor. This is what happens when you let good cops be cops. Then you have Patel saying, this arrest is a testament to the dedication of good law enforcement.
12:13Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. The arrest is a testament to the dedication of good law enforcement being great and partnerships in law enforcement, which I've tried to highlight as my tenure as the director of the FBI. There is no better relationship for law enforcement than the FBI to partner with state and local authorities. And you've seen it here in these last few days. Patel then goes, thanks to the full weight of the federal government, we got them. We got them. You're playing this clip. In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise, thanks to the full weight of the federal government and leading out with the partners here in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, the suspect was apprehended in a historic time period.
12:55And I want to highlight what Governor Cox said. This would not have been possible without you, the media, and you, the public. That's why we went so public, so fast, and we're so transparent, and we're committed to that transparency.
13:06Ben Meiselas:Dude, you did nothing. The kid just confessed. His Voda was out there. He confessed. That's what happened. And then he has this really weird moment, this really strange moment where Patel looks into the camera and he goes to my brother, Charlie Kirk. I see you. And I'll see you in Valhalla. Play this clip. Lastly, to my friend, Charlie Kirk. Rest now, brother. we have the watch and i'll see you in valhalla see you in valhalla i mean also it's like you're in utah where there are mormons charlie kirk is a protestant you're hindu it doesn't mean you can't say valaha valaha valaha valhalla it doesn't mean you can't say it i can't even say it but it does mean you what are you talking about like what what that's your line i mean it's a bit ridiculous.
14:07Ben Meiselas:Again, as I mentioned, there was the lawsuit filed by the FBI agents against Patel this week, Brian Driscoll, Steven Jensen, Spencer Evans. They said that Kash Patel basically admitted that he was firing the top people like them as retribution for Donald Trump. Patel said he would lose his job if he didn't fire all the top people because Trump wanted all the top people who were working there to be fired. By the way, the Wall Street Journal had to issue a retraction about its story, that the cartridges had the anti, or it had the trans ideology, the pro-trans ideology on it, whatever the hell that means.
14:48Ben Meiselas:But folks, I mean, this follows all of the Kash Patel kind of missteps along the way, right? Like Kash Patel saying regarding the Epstein files. I'm not going to withhold information as you're literally withholding the Epstein files. Here, play this clip. The other thing on the internet is the Epstein files. What's the answer to that? The answer to that is the same as everything else. I'm not going to withhold information from the American public ever, but I'm also not going to rush to get it out there in a format in which they can't rely on it. So on the Epstein matter or any other matters. We are diligently working on that.
15:30And it takes time to go through years of investigations, years of political maneuvering and years of cover up to get the American people what they deserve. And that's what I'm going to give them on everything.
15:43Ben Meiselas:And then remember, Kash Patel, during a hearing, just started yelling at Democratic Senator Patty Murray. Here, play this clip. Placed on leave FBI employees responsible for the investigation of January 6th. That sounds political to me. I have not placed anyone on leave who has not violated their ethical obligation or their oath to the Constitution. So if they were investigating January 6th, you believe they were violating an ethical obligation? Nope. I think the common theme here is you putting words in my mouth and I'm not going to tolerate it, nor will the men and women of the FBI. Well, you did place on leave an analyst responsible for investigating Russia's meddling in the 2016 election?
16:22Is that politicization? Is that retribution? No, not if she broke the law or the ethical guidelines. I don't know which case you're talking about, but that's the standard. And we will hold ourselves inwardly accountable. And we will not be strayed from our mission because people think we are politicizing the bureau. If you want to talk about someone who was attacked by a weaponized bureau, you're looking at him. And now he's the director of the FBI and he's cleaning it up. Again, the guy doesn't have the temperament.
16:46Ben Meiselas:He's not fit for this position. This is a serious role. And he's a very deeply unserious person, right? I mean, he's the guy who once suggested that people in government all have to agree with Donald Trump or they should be thrown in jail. Here, play this clip. It's pretty simple, Steve. One, we got to win again in 22 and 24. And then personnel, you know, is policy. And not just at the principal level. You got to go down two, three, four levels down. The undersecretaries, the assistant secretaries, the deputies, the chiefs of staff, they all have to be people who agree with the commander in chief.
17:19and don't believe that they can overcome a commander in chief just because they think they are saving America. That's not how the chain of command works. It didn't. It didn't work like that when you were in the Navy and it hasn't changed. And so we need to implement personnel across the board that follows the commander in chief's process and policies. And that's the democratic process. And anyone violating that should be thrown out of government and maybe even put in jail. But we need a strong Department of Justice to do that.
17:45Ben Meiselas:So yes, as our editor-in-chief, Ron Filipkowski says, maybe putting a podcaster and a Mar-a-Lago groupie in charge of the FBI was not the best plan. Anyway, thank you for watching. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers.
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From the publisher
MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on new details about the FBI collapsing as Trump got rid of many of the experienced leaders and agents and as Kash Patel showed how inexperienced and unqualified he is in the investigation of Charlie Kirk’s killer.
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