In short
The episode argues that Trump’s administration is obstructing full release of Jeffrey Epstein files, and that even Trump supporters and Epstein survivors are now demanding impeachment and firings. Guests include: Marjorie Taylor Greene (posted that hiding/releasing “data set eight” is “evil” and called for action); Haley Robson (Epstein survivor and Trump voter who says she’s no longer supporting Trump; wants Pam Bondi and Kash Patel to resign and Trump impeached); Virginia Giuffre’s sister-in-law (criticized DOJ redactions and said DOJ incompetence may be intentional); Rep. Ro Khanna (claims FBI/DOJ whistleblowers are approaching; warns obstruction charges).
Notable examples
DOJ releasing ~30,000 pages with “untrue” claims; Schumer citing massive blackouts (e.g., 119-page grand jury testimony); demands to release all files at once, not “dribbled out.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Impeachment Calls from Supporters
2:08 to 4:04
Explore why Trump's own supporters are demanding his impeachment over Epstein files.
“Donald Trump's own supporters are now calling for his impeachment in connection with the cover-up of the Epstein files.”
Survivor Statements on Trump
4:04 to 6:24
Hear from Epstein survivors and their shift away from supporting Trump due to the cover-up.
“But at the end of the day, I am no longer supporting this administration.”
Congressman Ro Khanna on Whistleblowers
6:24 to 8:12
Listen to Congressman Ro Khanna discuss the potential whistleblowers in the DOJ.
“This chaos that this administration is creating around it is intentional, but we're paying attention.”
DOJ's Handling of Epstein Files
8:12 to 12:39
Examine the DOJ's actions regarding the Epstein files and calls for transparency.
“So then in one of the oddest, most bizarre statements you may ever see from the Department of Justice, they post this basically just admitting that they're serving as Donald Trump's personal law firm.”
Calls for Full Disclosure of Epstein Files
12:39 to 14:00
Discuss the urgency for the complete release of Epstein documents and public trust issues.
“It's not up to even the senators to make a judgment.”
Concerns Over Media Integrity and Trump's Influence
14:00 to 16:26
Discussion on the distrust in Trump-era appointees and media censorship.
“That's why we asked the files to be in public.”
Transcript
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2:38Ben Meiselas:Folks, this is a fast-moving story, and the Midas Touch Network is leading the way in our coverage. Just a reminder, make sure you hit subscribe right now to this YouTube channel. You may think you're subscribed, but you may not actually be subscribed. So double check. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. And as CBS is bending the knee, Midas Touch is rising. Go to MidasPlus.com as well. That's our sub stack. And check out all of our reporting on the Epstein cover up there. So you have Marjorie Taylor Greene posting the following. after seeing what was produced in this latest batch eight, data set eight of the Epstein files.
3:17Ben Meiselas:She writes, this is horrifying. Trump called me a traitor for fighting him to release the Epstein files and standing with women who were raped, jailed in stalls and trafficked to men. Only evil people would hide this and protect those who participated. I pray for these women, only evil people. And remember what I've been saying here over and over again on the Midas Touch Network, Trump and this regime, they are evil. And we have to just call it out that it's evil, evil, evil behavior. Then you had Epstein survivor, Haley Robson, who was a Trump supporter. She voted for Donald Trump. And here she says, I'm no longer a Trump supporter.
4:04Ben Meiselas:He needs to go. he needs to be impeached let's play this clip of epstein survivor hallie robson play this clip talking about trump right just to be clear in terms of pointing the fingers or having yes exactly and you said that before that you have never heard anything to implicate him exactly it wasn't until i started meeting some of the other women from different countries in different states where i really started to hear their stories and of course as a survivor sister and going through what I went through, I do believe these girls. But at the end of the day, I am no longer supporting this administration.
4:39Ben Meiselas:I redact any support I've ever given to him, Pam Bondi, Kash Patel. I am so disgusted with this administration. I think that Pam Bondi and Kash Patel both need to resign. And I would love to see number 47 get impeached over this. And I'm just waiting. Should Pam Bondi be held in contempt, you think? For the release of these files? to be held more than in contempt. Absolutely. Now, Virginia Giuffre's sister-in-law also chimed in. Here's what she says. And Virginia Giuffre, of course, was a victim of Epstein, and she died by suicide recently after the atrocities that were committed against her by these sick and depraved criminal men.
5:24Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. I mean, first off, I think the incompetence of the DOJ is quite insulting. I think their behavior and the fact that they've redacted, you know, the perpetrators and left these survivors unredacted and then claim that the care is for the utmost survivors, it just doesn't add up. And then second, secondly, to have the president of the United States care more, care more for people who have operated in this circle, who could potentially be pedophiles. who could potentially be perpetrators. He doesn't know that. That's why we need all the evidence. And so the care to protect the rich and wealthy and the powerful over the survivors who have been fighting for decades, once again, it's just so disrespectful.
6:18Ben Meiselas:It's so disrespectful to this case and what happened. And it almost feels like that it's intentional. This chaos that this administration is creating around it is intentional, but we're paying attention. We are paying attention and we're going to keep fighting. As both of you have. And then I had the opportunity to interview Democratic Congress member Ro Khanna, who's been leading the way on the Epstein file release. Here's what he says about there being whistleblowers now, FBI whistleblowers. Let's play this clip. I don't know if you can share this, but any FBI whistleblowers or DOJ whistleblowers who may be on the horizon, who's upset about the way this was handed, who may have been from.
7:08Ben Meiselas:We've had some approaching our office and the committee. I obviously can't get into the details, but there are people who are upset about the noncompliance of the law and they don't want to be held accountable. Right. Anyone who is at the Justice Department who's involved with this, who's not complying, could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. Now, Pam Bondi is not going to prosecute them. And Donald Trump isn't going to have a just an attorney general who prosecutes them. But, you know, in 2029, we're going to have a Democratic president and that Democratic president is going to have an attorney general.
7:44Ben Meiselas:And that attorney general is going to prosecute the law, not out of vindictiveness, out of just saying that you can't commit crimes and get away with it. By the way, I think that should apply to crimes, not just in violating the Epstein Transparency Act. I think it should apply to crimes with ICE, crimes in terms of the strikes in the Caribbean. We need accountability before reconciliation. So if you're at the Justice Department and you know that you're violating the law, you probably don't want obstruction of justice charges brought against you. And that's why I think more and more people are speaking up.
8:14Ben Meiselas:So then in one of the oddest, most bizarre statements you may ever see from the Department of Justice, they post this basically just admitting that they're serving as Donald Trump's personal law firm. It says the Department of Justice has officially released nearly 30 ,000 more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. OK, OK. Then it goes on to say some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election. To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false. And if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already.
8:53Ben Meiselas:Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with the legally required protections for the Epstein victims. I want to bring in the Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer, who's been actually calling for legal action to be immediately taken against this Trump regime for their cover up. But before getting there, Senator, let's just talk about this DOJ statement. What's your reaction to it? The reaction is very simple. They become they are Trump's shill. If everything is so hunky-dory, then release all of the files. They have blanked out. They have blanked out huge amounts of these files.
9:33In one whole grand jury testimony, 119 pages, totally, totally blacked out. 265 pages elsewhere. If everything's so cool with Donald Trump, and no one believes it is, no one believes it is, then come clean. Release all the files all the time. Don't just dribble them out. The law said they should all be released. It was passed unanimously in the Senate with only one dissenting vote in the House. All of them should be released on December 19th. And so the bottom line is very simple. You're not releasing them. You're dribbling them out. Now you're trying to be a cheerleader for Trump. There's one answer, DOJ.
10:14come clean come clean let all don't stop stop blocking out all parts of the files put them all out there put them all out at once and let the American people decide what Donald Trump was up
10:29Ben Meiselas:to and other bad people were up to as well let's talk about what the Senate can do now as this cover-up continues by the Trump regime you posted that you would be introducing a resolution directing the senate to initiate legal action against the department of justice for its disregard of the law relating to the release of the complete epstein files what does that look like are you going to be able to convince uh senator do you need to convince senator thune i mean this was passed by unanimous consent uh the epstein transparency act but what do we do here in terms of in this resolution yeah ben first let me say the law was written very clearly and it did not allow all these redactions all these blacking blacking anything out of everything it did not say it can drib you can dribble them out over a period of months these guys are full of they should simply release them all now so our law says that and if they don't comply with the law senate will go to court and demand everything be released now john thune you know we have to approve this in the Senate.
11:36But public sentiment is everything. That's what Abe Lincoln said. And why were we able to pass this law with every Democrat and every Republican saying yes? Because the public demanded it. The victims demanded it. There was a relentless campaign of public pressure to release all of it. Not some of it, not redacted, but all of it, clean and simple. And if they don't comply, DOJ, and I doubt they will, given that the statement you read, they've become just shills for Donald Trump. Not surprising, but that's what they do. We will go to court and we will win in court because the law is so clear. And if any senators refuse to do that, it's at their peril.
12:25The American people demanded it. everyone in Congress voted for everyone in the Senate voted for all but one in the House. We need all of it public so the public can make judgments. It's not up to the DOJ to make a judgment. It's not up to even the senators to make a judgment. It's up to the American people.
12:43Ben Meiselas:And look, let's talk about, you know, look, Kash Patel, FBI director, when he's not out there flying around on a private jet on the taxpayer dime with his girlfriend or buying himself a fleet of new BMW X fives. He seems to be lying to Congress. I mean, he spoke to the Senate. He testified there's no co-conspirators. There's nothing in the files about any other people. And as you just posted, because some of the records that are redacted, so we don't know who these individuals are. But as you post in 2019, Trump's DOJ had a list of 10 Epstein co-conspirators. Who are these 10 co-conspirators? Why haven't you seen them?
13:20Ben Meiselas:We want the list public now. And every day we're finding new things that are in these files. You know, we have some great help. We have some of the people who worked on this case who have now quit the Justice Department in disgust because they don't think the Justice Department is being honest or honorable about this. We have the lawyers for the victims who are working with us. So we know in large part what's missing. And we're able to make that clear. So this idea that they don't release these 10 co-conspirators and there may be many more is outrageous and we're going to put a lot of heat on them to do that right and i mean i was watching it was actually a republican senator senator kennedy of louisiana who was the one who asked cash patel the question and patel said nope no co-conspirators basically we don't you know and so they you know these people from this trump regime they just show up at the senate they just lie they just lie they just lie they're total total you know, shills for Trump.
14:17No one believes them. That's why we asked the files to be in public. You know, the reason that we want all the files unredacted, not blacked out files to be public, because no one trusts Bondi. No one trusts Patel. No one trusts any of these people to be honest or honorable about this. They just bow down to whatever Trump wants. And we know Trump is a liar and will not want anything to come out, especially when it's about him, but probably about lots of
14:44Ben Meiselas:other things as well look before we go i just want to get your take on there's you know we see what's happening with the fbi doj here but cbs i mean censoring stories right now you posted about this that trump and his billionaire buddies are trying to shape what people see here and believe i mean this is a crazy cbs you know we all grew up with cbs as the gold standard of journalism walter cronkite everybody's honorable grandfather type person and here and here they are look trump is this has an aroma of tyranny. Trump and his minions, the head of the FCC, are trying to pressure the networks to put on TV, all of the media, to put on in the media, in newspapers, and everywhere else, only what Trump wants.
15:31And he basically says it. If they do things I don't like, they should be off the air. That's outrageous. We need to, CBS has now, because in Canada there's an unedited version of what came out. But we need to know what happened. Who did Trump pressure? Why, where, and when? Not just for CBS, but for all of these things. We saw what they did with Jimmy Kimmel. We saw what they did with ABC earlier. This is, this, I got to tell you, Ben, if you're worried about democracy, there are lots of things to worry about with this administration. But at the very top of the list is they're bludgeoning the news media to only have the news on that they want to hear, not what they don't want to hear.
16:12To the credit of many, many journalists have stood up. Kimmel's one of them. But it is really dangerous.
16:20Ben Meiselas:I want to thank you for joining us, Democratic leader of the Senate, Chuck Schumer. We appreciate you. Thank you, Ben. And I didn't know you were a Long Island boy, so that's very nice. Plainview Old Bet at Bethpage High School. JFK High School, that's right. Thank you, Senator. Everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas interviews Senator Chuck Schumer on Donald Trump’s own supporters including former supporters who are also Epstein survivors now demanding he be impeached for his cover up.
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