Trump’s Shutdown Already Instantly Backfiring in His Face

1 Oct 2025 · 23 min · 10 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that Trump’s government shutdown is backfiring immediately—hurting jobs and worsening negotiations—while portraying Trump and allied media figures as immature and deceptive. It cites ADP private payroll losses (32,000 in September vs 51,000 expected; August revised to -3,000) and claims small/medium businesses are hit hardest.

Key claims

Trump’s “Trump 2028” hat and AI/deepfake jokes about Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are framed as inappropriate during a shutdown; MAGA Mike Johnson is said to treat shutdown as leverage (“keys to the kingdom”) to downsize government and make furloughs permanent; Johnson and Vance are accused of lying about Democrats’ health-care proposal, which the host says is meant to prevent millions losing coverage.

Notable examples

deepfake sombrero/mustache videos; ABC interview exchanges; alleged “NATO-like” security guarantees for Qatar in exchange for a Trump jet; claims about using U.S. cities as military training grounds.

Guests

None mentioned in the provided transcript (it references prior interviews with Gavin Newsom, but no guest appears in this episode).

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Chapters

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Trump's Deranged Behavior Amid Shutdown

0:46 to 1:40

Discussing Trump's erratic behavior and focus on his 2028 campaign during the government shutdown.

“A very demented Donald Trump keeps posting photographs of himself, pointing his finger at Democratic House leader, Hakeem Jeffries, He's almost like a schoolyard bully.”

Job Losses in Trump's Economy

1:40 to 2:34

Analyzing job losses reported in Trump's economy amidst government shutdown.

“What we learned in this Trump economy from the ADP private payroll numbers that just came in is that U.S.”

Republicans Blame Democrats for Shutdown

2:34 to 3:42

Examining how MAGA Republicans are attempting to shift blame for the shutdown onto Democrats.

“It is absolutely frozen and it is not in a good situation.”

Media and Trump's Immature Tactics

3:42 to 4:25

Discussing the media's portrayal of Trump's tactics during shutdown negotiations.

MAGA Mike Johnson's Comments on Shutdown

4:25 to 6:34

Reviewing MAGA Mike Johnson's defense of Trump's shutdown behavior and its implications.

“the majority or the minority leader in both the House and the Senate very uncomfortable.”

MAGA Mike Johnson's Comments on Shutdown

8:39 to 9:24

Reviewing MAGA Mike Johnson's defense of Trump's shutdown behavior and its implications.

“surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable.”

Debate on Health Insurance and Immigration

9:45 to 14:00

Covering the heated debate on healthcare proposals and immigration within the context of the shutdown.

“It has nothing to do with helping migrants on Medicare or Medicaid.”

Military and Political Commentary on Trump

14:00 to 16:14

Discussion on Trump's military agreements and political implications.

“military, calling those people in the American cities the enemy within?”

Healthcare Debate and Undocumented Migrants

16:14 to 18:30

Exploration of healthcare policies affecting undocumented immigrants.

“Vance going on the morning shows and he continues to lie.”

MAGA's Stance on Healthcare for Undocumented Persons

18:30 to 19:06

Critique of MAGA Republicans' views on medical care for undocumented individuals.

“Like I would want the person to be treated.”
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0:46Ben Meiselas:Very odd behavior indeed. A very demented Donald Trump keeps posting photographs of himself, pointing his finger at Democratic House leader, Hakeem Jeffries, He's almost like a schoolyard bully. This is how Donald Trump is behaving right now as the government has shut down. Also in that photo, you see the Trump 2028 hat. Apparently, that's all Donald Trump was talking about during that meeting with Democratic House Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Democratic Senate Leader Chuck Schumer. Do you like my Trump 2028 hat? When I previously spoke with California Governor Gavin Newsom, he said that Donald Trump just repeatedly was talking about the Trump 2028 hat.

1:25Ben Meiselas:This is a very deranged human being, and it's not funny at all as he talks about being dictator for life, especially as Americans are suffering by this shutdown that Donald Trump forced. We're getting bad job numbers this morning as well. What we learned in this Trump economy from the ADP private payroll numbers that just came in is that U.S. private sector businesses lost 32 ,000 jobs in September. That's far below the expected gain of$51 ,000 per payroll processor ADP. And then the August private payroll numbers were revised down by$57 ,000 to negative$3 ,000. So a big drop there as well. We're seeing small and medium-sized businesses suffer the biggest job losses.

2:19Ben Meiselas:And I'm sure you all know just whether it's yourself or people you're friends with or just people who you're talking to, the job market right now is in a condition that we normally see during recessions and great recessions. It is absolutely frozen and it is not in a good situation. So you had all of the kind of MAGA Republican leaders go on the various kind of state regime Fox shows and went on other corporate news and they tried to spin this government shutdown as, you know, the Democrats fault. I mean, here you had J.D. Vance moments ago and he was on state regime media Fox. and they were talking about the meeting.

3:05Ben Meiselas:It's a very serious meeting, right? It should have been a very serious meeting between Donald Trump, Republican leaders in the House and Senate, Megan Mike Johnson, Senator Thune, Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries, and Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer, right? Like we expect it to be handled with the seriousness to avoid a shutdown and Democratic leaders showed up with a level of seriousness there. And J.D. Vance and the state regime media hosts over here are all like, but did you like the Trump 2028 ads? How funny is that? How funny are the Trump 2028 ads? Folks, this is not normal behavior.

3:41Ben Meiselas:Like this is not how adults should be behaving, but this is the Trumpification of a significant portion of our media ecosystem, you know, and right now, you know how these right-wing politicians behave it's like it's it's not funny it's it's not even humorous like it's immature it's just it's grotesque just watch for yourself here play this clip so can you give us some insight into what they talked about maybe how we can come to a compromise and the hats the trump trump trolling them with 28 hats yeah thank you Lawrence. That's the most important part. They're also the Trump 2028 hats, which I think made the majority or the minority leader in both the House and the Senate very uncomfortable.

4:30Ben Meiselas:So then they put MAGA Mike Johnson on ABC with George Stephanopoulos. And George Stephanopoulos asks MAGA Mike Johnson. So as we approach the shutdown, Donald Trump was posting deep fake videos, AI videos of Hakeem Jeffries wearing a sombrero and having a mustache and mariachi bands. And then Chuck Schumer was given AI kind of fabricated things that he was saying, like, do you think that this is how the president of the United States should be dealing with things, you know, before a shutdown? Or is this how shutdown negotiations are handled in the White House? Is this when Americans are about to have their Affordable Care Act premiums double or triple?

5:20Is this how you think discussions happen at a high level?

5:24Ben Meiselas:Like, is this you're okay with this? Watch the response. Let me ask you about President Trump. He had another deep fake video overnight. How does that help the cause of getting a deal and opening the government? Look, the president uses social media for humor. He makes jokes. He does he does lots of things. What the president did in showing leadership, though, two days ago was he brought in Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries to meet with me and Leader Thune in the Senate to try to work this out. He gave them an unlimited time they had in the Oval Office. And they would not come to the table to do exactly, George, what they themselves have said repeatedly over and over and over.

6:01Ben Meiselas:And he goes, oh, that's just what we're like. It's humorous. It's it's funny. And by the way, I think that there's a time and a place for humor, right? The White House correspondence dinner where the press show up and you can have self-deprecated humor. There's times where humor, you know, not, by the way, Donald Trump canceled that, right? He doesn't show up to that because he can't take people doing jokes or roasting him right now. There are times and place for jokes. But when we're talking about people losing their health care and government shutdowns, this isn't funny behavior. Like, grow up, like, like, literally just act like a grown up because Americans right now are living paycheck to paycheck and they're trying to figure out how they're going to be able to support themselves and their families.

6:45Ben Meiselas:And you posting AI images of Democratic leaders wearing sombrero, wearing sombreros and having mustaches and I guess making fun of Mexican people. or I don't know what you're even trying to do there. Like that's not what is called for, you know, especially right now at this moment and ever. Then you have MAGA Mike Johnson. He went on state regime media and he said, actually, I think that this shutdown is an opportunity for us. This could be great because it's like giving Donald Trump the keys to the kingdom. And now Trump can do whatever he wants as a result of the government shutdown. So don't you think that MAGA Mike's just kind of giving the whole game away right here?

7:26Ben Meiselas:Here play this clip. President Trump has said, you know, he could use this as an opportunity to further cut government and turn some of those temporary furloughs into permanent job cuts. Speaker, can you assess what you're expecting in terms of the job cuts and how severe they could be? Yes. The president and I've talked about this at great length. While a shutdown is very damaging for real American people who depend upon government services, it can provide an opportunity to downsize the scope and the scale of government, which is something that we've all always wanted to do. And so in a way, Chuck Schumer has now handed the keys to the kingdom, to the executive branch under President Trump, to do some things that we would not otherwise be able to do because we would never get Democrat votes for them.

8:08Now, Russ Vogt is in charge, as you know, of the Office of Management and Budget, and it is his responsibility to look at all of this and make very difficult choices. He gets to decide now what services are essential, what programs and policies should be continued and which would not be a priority for taxpayers. That is what is about to happen. And Chuck Schumer has allowed that. And so from his political perspective, it's a pretty massive backfire. And there's a real opportunity for government to work more efficiently and effectively for the people if those decisions are made.

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10:01Ben Meiselas:That's literally what it says. It has nothing to do with helping migrants on Medicare or Medicaid. They're not allowed to be on Medicare and Medicaid. And here's Mike Johnson's response. He goes, that's an absurd statement. And George Zephanopoulos goes, that's it. I'm reading the plan. It's an accurate statement here. Watch this. This morning, the Democratic proposal is designed to prevent millions of Americans from losing their health insurance, losing Medicaid coverage or paying higher health care premiums. Why are you against that? That's an absurd statement, what you said there. Let's be clear about what happened last night.

10:39No, George, let me tell you what happened last night. Everybody can go and review the facts for themselves. 44 Senate Democrats voted to reject a clean, nonpartisan, continuing funding resolution to keep the United States government open. The Democrats said instead that they wanted to give health care to illegal aliens instead of keeping critical services provided for the American citizens. That's what happened, plain and simple. Every Democrat in the House, except one, voted against the clean, continuing resolution. It was nonpartisan in nature. There are no policy writers on it that Republicans favor it.

11:11It's exactly what Chuck Schumer and other Democrats voted for in March. But they've changed their tune. They've changed their tune because Chuck Schumer is having political problems right now. That's just a simple fact. And everybody knows that he's trying to outrun the far left portion of his base. So he's decided to inflict pain on the American people. Here are the facts. The proposal does not provide health care for illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cannot buy health care under the Affordable Care Act. They cannot receive health care subsidies. These illegal immigrants are ineligible for Medicare, Medicaid and the Children's Health Program.

11:45The Democratic bill does not make them eligible. It does, actually, because what it does is it unwinds the changes that Republicans put into the big, beautiful bill, the big signature legislation that we passed and signed into law on July 4th. That has been very successful in shoring up Medicaid for the people who are actually eligible to receive it. What we did in the bill and the CBO just verified this three weeks ago, the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan arbiters of everything up here, they said that those provisions have helped to reduce premiums. Why? Because we got ineligible recipients off of Medicaid, illegal aliens, and able-bodied young men who were riding the wagon who are not eligible to be there.

12:24Medicaid is intended for specific populations of U.S. citizens. That is, young pregnant women who are down on their luck, the disabled and the elderly. Those resources are being drained from those folks. And so we fixed that. We reduced fraud, waste and abuse in the program. Chuck Schumer's counterproposal on the CR would reverse that. That is a simple fact. The CBO did not say that about illegal immigrants. You've made your point right there. Let me ask you about President

12:49Ben Meiselas:Trump. So then Stephanopoulos asks Mag and Mike Johnson, what was your reaction? What do you think about Donald Trump speaking to those generals and admirals yesterday and saying that he wants to unleash the United States military already has, but that the wars that they're going to be fighting are going to be the wars within. He's going to fight wars against Los Angeles and San Francisco and Chicago and Democratic cities and in Democratic states. What do you think about that, Maggie Mike? And Maggie Mike's like, I, you know, look, I run the house. I don't really listen to those speeches. I didn't hear any of that.

13:27Ben Meiselas:I don't really know what you're talking about here. Play this clip. The president also said at the Pentagon yesterday that he wants American cities to be used as training grounds for the American military. Is this the highest and best use of the U.S. military? And is this the right way to train them? I don't serve in the Pentagon. I run the House of Representatives. And what we need to be talking about today is real harm that the American people are going to feel because of what Chuck Schumer is doing. Let me tell you what's going to be heard today. Women, infants, and children are not going to have nutrition programs provided.

13:55the House, do you believe it's appropriate to use American cities as training grounds for the U.S. military, calling those people in the American cities the enemy within? I'm asking you, as Speaker of the House, do you think that's appropriate? I'm not going to comment on your characterization, what the president said. I didn't get to see that speech because I was a little busy yesterday. Well, you can take his quotes out of context, which you often do, and I don't think that's fair to the...

14:17Ben Meiselas:You know, because at the same time MAGA Mike said that, what we learned is it It seems that in exchange for the Qataris giving Donald Trump a jet, here's what Donald Trump's Donald Trump's basically agreed to for the United States to give NATO like security guarantees to Qatar. So we bailed out Argentina. We gave him 20 billion dollars for them to then undercut our soybean farmers here and sell their soybeans cheaper to China to undercut American farmers after you, your taxpayer dollars, went to bail out Argentina because they have a right-wing MAGA puppet leader there named Javier Malou. So they have that.

15:01Ben Meiselas:And now Donald Trump saying, as part of his initiative to end the war in Gaza, this is how they claim it, as part of his initiative to end the war in Gaza, they go, this is an unprecedented security agreement between the U.S. and Qatar. the United States will regard any armed attack on the territory, sovereignty, or vital infrastructure of the state of Qatar as a threat to peace and security in the United States. In the event of such an attack, the United States will take all appropriate and lawful measures, including diplomatic, economic, and if necessary, military measures, in order to defend the interests of the United States and the state of Qatar and to restore peace and stability.

15:43Ben Meiselas:So Donald Trump didn't do that for Ukraine. Donald Trump has really not done that for NATO nations, as Russia has engaged in provocative actions over Poland and other countries. And Donald Trump is invading American cities. But everybody, Qatar gave him a private 747 jet. So now they get NATO-like security guarantees. It's that easy to buy your way into the United States. I think that is utterly, utterly pathetic right there. But you tell me what you think. Then you have J.D. Vance going on the morning shows and he continues to lie. And J.D. Vance is like, initially, what they said is that they were going to shut the government down because Donald Trump's a dictator.

16:28Ben Meiselas:Then they're saying they want to give all of this health care to illegal aliens here. Play this clip. And obviously, the longer this drags on, the worse that it is for the American people. So we are where we are. And to your point, what does Senate Democrats ask for? Well, initially, they said that they wanted to shut down the government because Donald Trump was a dictator. OK, that's absurd. Then they said they wanted to shut down the government because they wanted hundreds of billions of dollars for health care benefits for illegal aliens. That, of course, is also absurd. And now they're saying they just want to work on ensuring that Americans have low cost health care.

17:01Ben Meiselas:Well, I agree with them. Of course, we all want to ensure that Americans have low cost health care. So let's work together on that. And can I just address a question? I mean this seriously. The Democratic plan does not give undocumented migrants Medicare or Medicaid or the Affordable Care Act tax credit extensions. It has nothing to do with that. But take a step back, though. So the MAGA position, just to be clear, is let's say that there is an undocumented migrant who's been here, say, over 10, 15 years, is contributing to this country. Let's say they're a roofer. Let's say they're working on a construction project, building homes, contributing to the United States economy.

17:46Ben Meiselas:Or say they're working on farms and they're contributing to the American economy. Let's just use the roof example. They fall off the roof. They're on the ground. They are bleeding out. and you can bring them to the hospital and their lives will be saved. And they'll go on and have a great life. They have families. Just to be very clear, the MAGA position is that the individual who is injured should not go to a hospital and they should die. and that and these maggots who call themselves Christians are okay with that individual not depriving a human being of medical care, letting them bleed out because they're undocumented.

18:30Ben Meiselas:I'm sorry, I'm not okay with that. Like I'm personally not okay with that. Like I would want the person to be treated. I'd want the doctor to be paid for treating them because we're human beings. We're here for a very short period of time on this planet earth together. Why wouldn't we just be decent people? You want to watch people die just because of the color of their skin or because they were undocumented? I'm not okay with that anyway. But that's what the MAGA Republicans seem to be saying. So why don't they just say that? Why don't they say that they want to see people die while they call themselves Christians and pro-life?

19:04Ben Meiselas:I mean, to me, that's one of the most screwed up parts about this thing in general. We'll keep you posted every step of the way. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers and thanks for watching. Want to stay plugged in? Become a subscriber to our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. You'll get daily recaps from Ron Filipkowski, ad-free episodes of our podcast, and more exclusive content only available at MidasPlus.com.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s terrible Wednesday as the government shutdown already is blowing up his face and the Republicans scramble to come up with more lies to cover up for their shutdown.

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