In short
Live political/foreign-policy commentary on a U.S. request for a $1.5 trillion defense supplemental, tied to the ongoing U.S.-Iran conflict and escalating strikes across the Middle East. The host argues the U.S. is “bankrupted” and has depleted munitions, while Iran has adapted tactics (smaller, distributed ballistic/drone attacks) and degraded U.S. early-warning and interceptor effectiveness. He also criticizes contradictory statements by officials about Iran’s capabilities, and discusses related claims about Venezuela and earthquakes, plus broader “values/principles” themes.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are interviewed in this transcript; it’s a solo host segment.
Key claims
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth says $1.5T is the “greatest threat” and warns without immediate funding. The host claims U.S. munitions are gone, early detection/radars and interceptors aren’t working, and Iran’s strikes target U.S. containerized bases and logistics. He alleges official statements are inconsistent (e.g., Iran’s missile program “functionally destroyed” vs. continued attacks). He argues Trump’s “deal” messaging is misleading and cites “Gulf of Tonkin” escalation risk.
Notable examples
Senate questioning by Sen. Dick Durbin about unobligated $75B; clips involving Sen. Murray on tolls and contradictory missile-program timelines; references to Patriot/THAAD effectiveness vs Ukraine; mentions strikes in Jordan/Kuwait/Qatar/Saudi/Syria and Strait of Hormuz/Bab al-Mandab; Trump’s Venezuela “happy place” remarks amid a major earthquake.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODefense Secretary Hegseth's Senate Testimony
0:00 to 1:13
Ben discusses Secretary of Defense Hegseth's testimony on military funding.
“Summer's supposed to be the easy season.”
Defense Secretary Hegseth's Senate Testimony
1:33 to 3:00
Ben discusses Secretary of Defense Hegseth's testimony on military funding.
“Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is on Capitol Hill speaking before the United States Senate.”
The Consequences of Military Funding Cuts
3:00 to 4:25
Analysis of the implications of military funding cuts and their effects.
“You want more money right now, essentially on an emergency basis.”
Iran's Strategy Against U.S. Forces
4:25 to 6:45
Exploration of Iran's military tactics and strikes against U.S. bases.
“for all of those Arab nations that thought when they were doing those quid pro quo deals with Donald Trump that they were going to get the security umbrella as well.”
U.S. Military Readiness and Depleted Resources
6:45 to 8:15
Discussion on the U.S. military's readiness and depleted munitions.
“Hence, Hegse on Capitol Hill begging for$1.5 trillion right now.”
Senator Durbin's Questions to Hegseth
8:15 to 11:12
Ben examines Senator Durbin's challenging questions to Hegseth regarding funding.
“all of these early detections could help Israel get ready with its Iron Dome in order to stop the Iranian ballistic missiles and Shahids.”
Critique of Hegseth's Responses
11:12 to 14:03
Critique of Hegseth's evasive answers during Senate questioning.
“They just look at you like this over there.”
Critique of Military Spending and Warfare
14:03 to 27:48
Learn about the shortcomings of the Biden administration on military spending and the current state of warfare.
“They just decided to pretend like that technology didn't exist and we shouldn't invest in it.”
Critique of Military Spending and Warfare
31:09 to 32:16
Learn about the shortcomings of the Biden administration on military spending and the current state of warfare.
“Please support our show and tell them we sent you.”
Trump's Dangerous Messaging During Conflicts
32:38 to 42:01
Discussion on Trump's social media behavior during military conflicts and its implications.
“I know Jordi works very hard with them to get these discount codes.”
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Understanding the Iranian Propaganda
42:01 to 45:18
Examining the misleading narratives around Iran and its portrayal in the media.
“Because Trump very quickly goes up to from 40 ,000 to 52 ,000.”
Analyzing Trump's Comments on Venezuela
45:18 to 50:28
Critiquing Trump's statements regarding Venezuela and the implications of US involvement.
“And I want to talk more about what others aren't talking about in Venezuela because what Trump said to me raises a lot more red flags today.”
The Impact of Seismic Events and Fracking
50:28 to 51:48
Discussing the potential relationship between fracking and geological events in Venezuela.
“Well, there's no guilt when it comes to him.”
The Impact of Seismic Events and Fracking
51:53 to 53:55
Discussing the potential relationship between fracking and geological events in Venezuela.
“Can you do me a favor too, put in the comments WTF if you've pre-ordered it.”
The Impact of Seismic Events and Fracking
54:09 to 55:12
Discussing the potential relationship between fracking and geological events in Venezuela.
“My old wallet was this giant crusty leather brick that was falling apart.”
Philosophy Behind 'WTF America'
55:29 to 56:00
Exploring the concepts and intentions behind the book 'WTF America'.
“What I try to do in WTF America, I'm not holding information back on the show.”
The Midas Mighty Philosophy
56:00 to 56:54
Explore the core philosophy of the Midas Mighty community and its goals.
“I want it to convey a philosophy that we talk about here.”
Breaking the Death Loop
56:54 to 58:25
Discuss the societal issues leading to fascism and the need for collective action.
“To me, it is more fundamental, and it is how do we generationally get out of a death loop that has saddled us with death and with these dire conditions that people are feeling.”
Values Over Personalities
58:25 to 1:00:19
The importance of focusing on values and principles rather than individual politicians.
“So what I often talk about here is values and principles.”
Government's Role in Society
1:00:19 to 1:02:57
A critical examination of what the government should be providing to its citizens.
“equality, and that does not intrude and intervene in our personal lives, in our bedrooms, in our private decision-making, and that they stay out.”
The Fraud of Political Promises
1:02:57 to 1:04:25
Analyzing the deceptive promises made by politicians and their implications.
“out to people that it views as more worthy of it.”
Rethinking Political Expectations
1:04:25 to 1:06:31
Encouraging a reevaluation of what to expect from politicians and governance.
“oh, you know what, this person in this primary and this person said this about this person.”
Complicity in War and Violence
1:06:31 to 1:10:03
Addressing the moral implications of taxpayer dollars funding military actions.
“Anyway, that's what I think is really important, you know, in this moment.”
Reflections on Life and Purpose
1:10:03 to 1:13:59
The speaker discusses the meaning of life, legacy, and the impact of one's actions.
“think, what are we doing here with our lives?”
Book Promotion and Audience Engagement
1:14:00 to 1:14:14
The speaker encourages the audience to pre-order their book and engage with their content.
“broader thing that I'll leave you with today.”
Transcript
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1:26Ben Meiselas:Welcome to Ben on Breaking News. I'm Ben Mycelis and this is your breaking news right now as we're live. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is on Capitol Hill speaking before the United States Senate. He's saying the$1.5 trillion package that the Trump regime is demanding to further this catastrophic and unlawful war is not only necessary, But Hegseth is saying if we do not get that money immediately, it will be, quote, the greatest threat our nation has ever faced. The greatest threat our nation has ever faced. Let me just show you what he said moments ago. Let's play. You know what that means, that that means one point five trillion, given the world that we live in and the disaster of what the Biden administration budgets gave us.
2:19Not funding this department at$1.5 trillion, I believe, is the greatest threat that our nation faces. Either we invest in our warriors at this moment of step change on the battlefield and growing threats, or this is all just talk.
2:36Ben Meiselas:Okay, so you all bankrupted our Defense Department. You've run out of munitions. our strategic petroleum reserves have been depleted. You've bankrupted it all when you had$1.1 trillion last year, and now you want$1.5 trillion. You want more money right now, essentially on an emergency basis. And because you've bankrupted our military, you got us involved with Netanyahu in this catastrophic and unlawful war. in Iran, where Iran is blowing up U.S. bases each and every day while you all pretend they have no capabilities? That's what you're saying is the greatest threat to our nation? While the Trump regime covers up what's actually happening at our bases in the Middle East, we actually have our troops are sending photos and videos to their family members.
3:42Why? Because they are targets for Iran right now. While the U.S. is moving the military equipment, while the U.S. is evacuating the bases, not Not of the people, not of the warriors, but the equipment. The equipment which is getting systematically destroyed by Iran, moving it to Israel. Moving it to Israel. Why? Because the Iron Dome over there, the Trump regime views as still working. but the security umbrella in the Middle East for all of those Arab nations that thought when they were doing those quid pro quo deals with Donald Trump that they were going to get the security umbrella as well. Nope.
4:37Donald Trump didn't even tell you when he was going to invade back in February with Netanyahu. Yeah, your quid pro quo gifts and money to Trump and his crypto to Kushner, you didn't even get notice of it. And guess what? You didn't get either. The effective Iron Dome system, which you were told you were going to get with Trump for your countries. And so now, every evening after CENTCOM announces, we are beginning strikes. And then CENTCOM thereafter says, we finish strikes as though it's some episode of dystopian apprentice, Iran says, okay, thanks for letting us know the episode is over. So now what we're going to do is do precise strikes at early warning systems, radar.
5:35Occasionally, we have to show that we can hit the barracks, those containerized barracks. Basically, our service members in the Middle East, they live in like those containers that you see on container ships on those big tankers, cargo ships that you see on the back of trucks, right? That's where our service members basically live in containerized barrack units, prefab, right? And so Iran's like, okay, we're going to trust.
6:05Ben Meiselas:If they wanted to kill more people, they could. They know if they keep on escalating, though, and killing more people, that may rally some support against them. So they strike when they are going to send a message. But guess what didn't really exist when they were striking Jordan anymore? Those early warning detections which tell the PAC-3, those Patriot interceptors, those THADs, right? Ain't working. Guess what also wasn't really working? The interceptors. Iran's ballistics are able to evade the interceptors and our munitions, as everybody's been warning, and as more and more anonymous top military officials keep leaking out to the press, are gone.
6:52We've depleted our munitions. Hence, Hegse on Capitol Hill begging for$1.5 trillion right now. And Iran is just saying, okay, we'll strike Jordan, this base, that base, this base, that base. Faisal will do this base, that base. They'll then strike Kuwait, this base, that base. Al-Udid in Qatar, base in Saudi Arabia. A special forces area in Syria, technically the Syrian-Jordan border, which CENTCOM said, there was no strikes in the region. Yes, there was. It was. It was a special forces depot in the area that Iran was able to strike.
7:45Ben Meiselas:And so what Iran's figured out is that Israel's Iron Dome isn't just in Israel, that the way this whole thing was constructed, the pawns, right? You think about the pawns, are the Arab nations who became the shield to Israel. Israel then has the Golden Dome, but these early detection stuff is because the view was all of these early detections could help Israel get ready with its Iron Dome in order to stop the Iranian ballistic missiles and Shahids. So the first line, go look at the map, are these Arab nations. So the strategy that Iran is pursuing, and they ain't even sending over massive amounts of ballistics.
8:42No, no, no. Iran has adapted its strategy. They're like, why would we do hundreds at a time? That's not helpful. So instead, they do eight to 12 at different bases. At this point, the interceptors by the US only have about a 20 % to 30 % effective rate. Contrast that with Ukraine, where Zelensky has about a 90 % to 95 % interception rate. I don't know, maybe you could have learned a thing or two from Zelensky there while Donald was attacking Zelensky and being the Putin bootlicker that he is. And Iran systematically striking this base, that base, that base. And Iran has prepped its own field for when it wants to do the barrage.
9:29If the US were to attack Pickaxe Mountain, if the US were to do a ground invasion of Qesham, if the US were to attack additional nuclear facilities in Iran, Iran now has destroyed the early detection stuff, the radars and all of these things to be able to effectively strike. That's what they're doing. That's their strategy. And by the way, you don't have to be a military strategist to see where they're striking. It's actually as obvious in many ways as saying that painting the reflecting pool blue is not going to change the situation of algae, except this time the consequences are far graver than painting it blue and then seeing the algae infestation take place within days.
10:24But just like Donald Trump during COVID, like a miracle, it's all going to
10:28Ben Meiselas:go away. I give myself an A. It's going great. They want to make a deal, the greatest deal ever. I'm going to keep on bombing them until the deal is the best. But they're begging me right now, which we know is all false. Same way when he says I brought in$19 trillion, we know that is all false, all lies, all lies, right? Same thing like a miracle, it's all going to go away. Iran's destroyed, their military is degraded, but we need$1.5 trillion immediately because otherwise we face the gravest threat ever in history right there. You see this meme that Salty from our team did right here. The Trump administration doesn't even ask you for$1.5 trillion anymore.
11:12They just look at you like this over there. Now, let me share with you when you had Democratic Senator Dick Durbin asked Hegseth, pretty basic question. So it's my understanding that you want$1.5 trillion, but you have an emergency supplemental for$87.6 billion that you need immediately. $1.5 trillion, you say that's what you now need for the year. But you say there's this urgent emergency for$87.6 billion now. Well, don't you still have $75 billion in unobligated funding from last year's reconciliation package? You still have $75 billion unobligated, meaning you can obligate it to this. The purpose of it being unobligated was if there was an emergency situation to arise.
12:14So either you are even lying more than we expect
12:19Ben Meiselas:about how dire and bankrupt you all are and that this$75 billion in unobligated funds doesn't exist anymore, or it actually exists. But who knows? Maybe it really doesn't exist anymore, or it does exist, and now you're just demanding another$87 billion because you want to escalate this thing that much more. Watch when Durbin asks this question. Let's play it. Mr. Secretary, I'd like to ask you to help me reconcile some numbers. It's my understanding that this whole supplementary funding request is$87.6 billion, and most of the funding,$67 billion, is for the Department of Defense. Yet we are told the Department of Defense still has$75 billion in unobligated funding from last year's reconciliation package.
13:12Is that true? Roughly correct numbers, yes. So you left some change on the dresser before you prepared to come for this hearing. What's going to happen to that$75 billion? Well, that$75 billion, there's plans and designs on that, part of the rebuild of our military, which had to be undertaken. And so one big, beautiful bill gave us specific avenues. I'd have to get you the exact numbers of what that is left to be allocated. Does it have to do with the war in Iran? No, this is rebuilding our military from what was not funded in the past under the Biden administration. So that's these are this is from 2026.
13:47One big, beautiful bill, which which helped move the president's priorities like Golden Dome for America, move away from all the woke priorities of of what the Biden administration was pursuing. Give us a chance to start cutting these deals on munitions. All the things that we the president wanted us to focus on shipbuilding hypersonics. I mean, the Biden administration ignored hypersonics. They just decided to pretend like that technology didn't exist and we shouldn't invest in it. There are things. I don't know what Lloyd Austin did for four years. I really don't. The amount of neglect, the amount of stale thinking and bureaucracy, it was staggering when we took over.
14:20So one big, beautiful bill gave us a chance to get caught back up.
14:23Ben Meiselas:By the way, a very obvious tactic of liars, right? So you're asked a very basic question. And what do liars do? They immediately go to another topic. I don't even know what Biden's doing. Lloyd Austin. Let me get my Fox soundbite. Let me get my Fox soundbite. It's Biden's fault. It's Biden's fault. You have, from that disastrous budget bill where you cut Medicaid and you cut healthcare and you took away rural hospitals and you took away things that the American people rely on to live, you put it trillions of dollars to make people die. People live in the US. You said no good. People die abroad.
15:12Ben Meiselas:You said, yes, that's how we want to spend it. Let's spend it on killing people and engaging in war crimes and blowing up elementary schools with little girls in them in Iran. Let's help Netanyahu further commit genocide. Let's help them in Lebanon commit genocide. Those are the funding priorities of the United States. Let the American people suffer, take things away. That's the Trump regime agenda. And then you say your focus was on ships. Ships was your focus. That's your big point. What ships? I seem to not recall the big ship that's out there right now. I do recall press conferences where Donald Trump talked about wanting a Donald Trump ship, the Trump class ships that he said he liked the ships from World War I.
16:08He liked them big, clunky. He doesn't like the aircraft carriers or stealth, he said. He likes the World War I. Is that what you're talking about?
16:18Ben Meiselas:And also, don't you think if you've studied warfare right now, the lesson maybe isn't, let's build billion-dollar ships. Let's build more billion-dollar planes. Don't you think the most basic lesson is invest in drones? Invest, by the way, I don't want any of this war. I want peace. I'm not a warmonger. I just want to be very clear with all of you. I think you know that, but I don't want to seem like I'm encouraging deadly weapons versus healthcare. What I'm simply making is the observation of if you studied modern warfare, if you studied Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine's defense, if you've studied how Iran has been effective in fighting back and you don't pretend that the US won when we didn't win against Iran.
17:13Ben Meiselas:If you've studied the way warfare is actually being done right now, you would say, got it. It's FPV drones. It's unmanned submersives. It is the Shahid style drone. The US has built a version of that. It is drone interceptors. It is making your ballistic interceptors cheaper because it's not sustainable that each Patriot interceptor is$4 million. That's the lesson of all of this, not we need to build ships called Donald Trump. Okay. And so even if you take what he's saying, it is completely divorced from modern warfare right now. And so then you had Senator Murray cross-examining Hegseth and she says, you know, you urged Iran to let innocent ships pass freely.
18:13Ben Meiselas:But then Donald Trump said that he wants to do a 20 percent toll. What? Why do you do that? Why do you need our money if you say we're doing tolls now? And aren't you against tolls? Here, let's play this clip. You also said at the same press conference, I'm going to quote you. You urged Iran to, quote, let innocent ships pass freely. These international waters belong to all nations, not to Iran to tax toll or control. Last week, President Trump said the U.S. would charge a 20 % toll to each ship to pass through the state. So based on your opposition to tolls, did you talk to the president out of that idea or did someone else?
18:55Iran's not charging tolls and they're shooting at ships right now. But Trump said that he wanted to charge a 20 % toll. We have a blockade right now of all Iranian ships and Iranian ports, and it's effective. My time is out.
19:11Ben Meiselas:Okay, Iran is charging certain insurance fee, much less than 20%. And when the MOU was in effect for, technically Trump started breaching at the moment, he held it up in Versailles. But there were ships that were leaving. A lot of the ships were coordinating with the IRGC, and there was a nominal, almost symbolic type of fee because the U.S. lost the war in the first salvo of it, although it's still been going on, and the ships were able to get out of the Strait of Hormuz, no problem. Then, even though the MOU said that Iran is the administrator of the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S., without consulting with Iran, said, aha, we got you.
19:59Ben Meiselas:We tricked you. We never said that we can't create our own lane by Oman. So even though we couldn't achieve that during the war itself and you locked down the Strait of Hormuz, gotcha, gotcha. You should have put that in the agreement. And then Iran's like, well, when we put, we administrate it, we thought that that's kind of covered it, but okay, if you want to do this without consultation with us, then we're going to strike those ships. And that's what happened. The ships can go this way. And then Donald Trump says, I am the guardian of Hormuz. It is me, the guardian of Hormuz. And it's like, are you a deranged maniac?
20:39Ben Meiselas:What do you mean you're the guardian of Hormuz? What the hell does that even mean? 20%. 20%. And then Senator Murray asks Hegseth another basic question. On May 5th, you claim that Iran, she says on April 8th, you said their missile program is destroyed. Launchers, productions, gone. You said that they're begging for mercy. That's what you said on April 8th. It's July 21. Here, play this clip. I've had a lot of trouble following this administration's contradictory statements about the war. On April 8th, you said, and I quote, their missile program is functionally destroyed, launchers, production facilities, and existing stockpiles depleted and decimated and almost completely ineffective.
21:33Mr. Secretary, Iran has been firing at U.S. military bases in the region and its ships for the last week. How is it possible if their capabilities were, quote, functionally destroyed three months earlier, as she claimed, for them to be doing this now? Senator, Iran is at the weakest point militarily it has ever been in in the past decade, certainly maybe in 47 years, as they've gathered effectively a terror army. And that terror army was built to try to create conventional capabilities to defend against a pursuit of nuclear weapons, which meant thousands of ballistics missiles, many of which we have destroyed, others of which they have put inside facilities and hidden in underground facilities.
22:13That's what terror regimes would do. So I acknowledge they still have capabilities, no doubt. But the amount of the amount of damage that we've done to them over the course of these series of operations has put them in the worst place they've ever been. OK, well, let me move on.
22:27Ben Meiselas:Oh, wow. They certainly, it's like a miracle. It's all going to go away. COVID gets killed with the heat. I give myself an A. We've never been better with pandemics than we were with COVID. It's all good. We brought in$19 trillion, everybody. Things are amazing. There's a manufacturing boom. Housing is affordable right now. Walmart is doing a sale, everybody, on beef. That means that beef is lower priced across the country right now. Everything is amazing, everybody. Oh, and by the way, did you see the gas prices at the Freedom Centers over there? There are 12 gas stations in Pennsylvania that Trump's oligarchs are subsidizing for$3.47 because 47 is the number of the president, which is more expensive than it was last year.
23:17But we're going to extrapolate that to say gas prices are down, despite the fact that the price of crude right now is over$91 a barrel. And most Americans, on average, are paying over$4. And in many states, it's about$6 a gallon right now. But, folks, everything is going amazing. They're so weak. They're begging. All of those strikes that you see every night hitting our bases with their precise ballistic missiles, That just shows you how weak they are, right, everybody? The fact that we said we were going to end this war in days, then we said four to five weeks because they were just begging and begging and begging.
24:00Yeah, their weakness is part of the plan. We just wanted to drag it out for five more months so we can show, look, everybody, look how weak it is. We just like going to war for five months, apparently. And you know how every time new tankers try to move through the Strait of Hormuz and they get shot by Iran and struck and they have to be abandoned by the crew because they're hit? Oh, that's part of the whole, that's part of everything. We want that to happen. Oh, and you see how the Bab al-Mandab Strait right now is the Houthis are effectively shutting down the Bab al-Mandab Strait with Saudi tankers.
24:40all part of the plan, all part of the plan. That's weakness, man. That's weakness, man. Hit me with another testosterone shot, bro. We're going to bro out with some testosterone, everybody. Yeah. You want one? You want a little testosterone shot? Oh, this is a manly shit right here, right? Oh yeah, they're so weak. They're hitting Amazon data center facilities. Give me You know, the testosterone shot. I'll show you how freaking manly I am. Yeah, yeah. America, America, dude, what are you talking about? What are you? And the blaming of the Biden, the this and the that. Seriously, shut up. Take very, this isn't a democratic position, a republican or independent position.
25:25Evaluate what's happening right now. It's obvious what is happening right now. That is the U.S. has depleted its munitions. Okay. Iran has not depleted it. Iran has its capabilities. No one's doubting that the U.S. has lots of weapons and that the U.S.
25:49Ben Meiselas:was, may still be, was by the volume of weaponry and the types of technological innovation, the most powerful military out there. I'm not sure if it is vis-a-vis, you know, relative to China right now, you know, with us focusing on the Trump class ships while they focused on drones and other things like that. But, you know, but but OK, it's a debate for another day. But we certainly tactic again, we shouldn't be in this war to begin with. But tactically, if you think that Iran is the worst in 10 years and you're going from an assumption that you just bomb Iran more and that makes them want to do a deal.
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33:18Ben Meiselas:It's very strange and disgusting. four months into or five months into a catastrophic war that you started to be posting 18 dead as a number that you brag about? It'd be like saying two months into COVID or one month into the announcement of COVID. 12 cases, 25 cases, 50 cases. You're doing a brag that 18 dead and four months, we're in the middle of the war. Every one of the soldiers who have died is incredibly tragic. And you post it as though 18, that's a win? It's really vile and really disgusting. And you take a look at Afghanistan war, 20 years, 2 ,000 dead, Iraq war, nine years, 4 ,600 dead.
34:32Ben Meiselas:Iran is bigger than those countries. That is by population. the outcome of what you're doing in the region also can result in mass casualties even more than even more than this you are falling deeper and deeper into this escalation trap you're out there saying to yourself or saying, we are going to bomb the hell out of them, and that's going to make them do a good deal with us. The one thing that I think Iran, as I noted, is actually trying to avoid, and I think they're being strategic about this, if they wanted to kill a lot more American troops, they could do it right now. They have the capabilities to do it.
35:34Ben Meiselas:I think what Iran recognizes though, and this is part of their strategy, is that if there were to be a mass casualty event, 300 US troops killed rather than, and by the way, we don't even know the true numbers. I'll just say that right now. But I think what Iran recognizes, if there was 300, 500, 1 ,000 troops killed in a very short period of time, what may become the outcome is that America people may, even if you despise Donald Trump and this regime, would that then make people rally around an escalation of the war in Iran? and would that backfire on? I think Iran has to weigh that. That's part of what it's doing.
36:23Ben Meiselas:That's why right now its view is you invade us, you knock down our nuclear facilities, you hit more civilian infrastructure. That's when we'll escalate, but we're not going to escalate because I think Trump, especially when he has the USS Abraham Lincoln in the US, the supercarries and George H.W. Bush right there in the strait, Trump is looking for a Gulf of Tonkin type incident in Vietnam. And in Gulf of Tonkin, there was an initial strike, but then the second one was manufactured. And then that was the pretext for Lyndon Johnson to go and get authorization from Congress, basically, to then escalate the invasion.
37:10Ben Meiselas:And the Vietnam War really escalated after the Gulf of Tonkin, history repeating itself. So Trump has our tankers as sitting ducks. Iran could strike those aircraft carriers, those superpowers easily if it wants to, but Iran's like, we don't want to do that yet. And for Iran, I think it also recognizes strategically, time is on its side. U.S. strategic petroleum reserves, tank bottom, depleted, right? You layer on top of that, surgically shutting down Bab el-Mandab to Saudi tankers. You then strike certain refinery capacities in the area. I mean, Iraq has certain refinery capacities shut down.
38:05Ben Meiselas:Same thing in Kuwait. Same thing in Bahrain. And Iran, it's okay. CENTCOM is going to strike us from this hour to this hour. Donald Trump's going to do his deranged shtick. We'll strike back here and here. Each day will surgically degrade more. We'll do it again. We'll do it again. We'll do it again. And the Iranian civilization and the current situation in Iran is built on resistance, revolution. It's called the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, revolution, resistance, never giving in. That's why there were people in Iran who were critical of ever even agreeing to a deal in the first place because the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is in revolutionary mode and that is a resistance to the West mode.
39:09It also certainly has its consequences and harm. I'm not trying to act like Iran's the wealthiest, most thriving place imaginable. The sanctions hurt.
39:23Ben Meiselas:not being able to do deals with the West and other areas hurts. When your main trading partners are limited to some BRICS nations, China and Russia, Russia's got its own issues that it's struggling with, understatement. That is an easy situation for when you have to look inward always for production and that ain't easy. So there are tensions in Iran about how do they maintain the revolutionary resistance posture? Do you try to adapt? There is, and there was, of course, in Iran, a festering, growing call, especially among young people for a new path that was not Ayatollah-based, but the Ayatollah IRGC have a firm grasp of Iran.
40:22It's not a weak grasp. And there were protests in January. Trump said, I'm going to come to your aid. So Trump said, I'm going to save you. I'm going to come to your aid. Because there were people who
40:35Ben Meiselas:who want there to be more reforms than what the current system looks like. It's also false to portray this civilization as like, these are unsophisticated cavemen and cavewomen who don't know. This is a very sophisticated society. The way it's done right now and the control by the Islamic Republic is strong. You saw that with respect to the Ayatollah's funeral. There are millions and millions of people who viewed the Ayatollah and view the current as their spiritual leader, not just in Iran, but Iraq and Pakistan, Yemen, and the nearby nations where there are Shiite populations. I mean, look at Pakistan, what?
41:25One third of Pakistan's Shiite. their spiritual leader, their Pope is the Ayatollah. Trump killed their Pope. And even when it comes to the protest, and undoubtedly Iran did kill protesters who were protesting for reforms and protesting for different leadership control. And there's no doubt that Iran killed people. But when Donald Trump does his 40 ,000, 52 ,000, just starts making up wild numbers, you don't even know what really happened there. Because Trump very quickly goes up to from 40 ,000 to 52 ,000. And then you start to say, are you just making up numbers? What's the real number actually.
42:16I know there were people killed, but is the number closer to 3 ,000 and 4 ,000 and you've just made up 42, 45, 50 ,000? Why do you just put, and now wait a minute, I'm trusting the guy who tells me that the reflecting pool was destroyed by vandals,$19.2 trillion was brought in. And oh, that's where this 52 ,000 number is coming from. And then you pull back and you go, what? The president of the United States is posting AI images of the people, of the ladies. He's saying you're posting AI images that say stop killing us of Iranian women with AI tears. If anything, this seems to be a message directed at Donald Trump saying stop killing the girls, stop killing the women, stop killing the children in Manab.
43:07That's what the stop killing us seems to be. If you want to see what the Iranian streets look like right now, if you want to see what the billboards are right there, Iran's been putting up billboards of Ivanka. And this is the one right here. Hey, terrorists, get ready to die. You see billboards like this all over Iran right now.
43:28Ben Meiselas:There are ones of Ivanka and Barron and the Trump family, billboards like this. There are a bunch of billboards that are going up everywhere with messages. This is the one, Ivanka, Melania, and Barron that says, hey, terrorists, get ready to die. And take a look at the streets. I mean, if you look at what Iran looks like, if you look at Bandar Abbas, where the US keeps on attacking, Bandar Abbas looks beautiful. Blue water, coastal city, the day-to-day in Bandar Abbas. it's not what the it's not what the propaganda actually shows what Bandar and Basel looks like you look in Tehran and you would based on what we're told here you would think Tehran looks like what certain areas in Saudi Arabia look like with the with the Sunni women who wear the full hijab and who and and who are you know and and you know you would think and and the women aren't driving and all of that.
44:31You go look at Iran and you saw the World Cup and you saw what's going on there on a day-to-day and what's going on in the malls and what's happening there. And I'm not suggesting that it's this Western short dresses. It's certainly not that. There's certainly headscarves that are being worn, but you take a look at it. We just need to understand what's going on in the world. And we need to stop with this propaganda out there that demonizes for the sake of what Trump really wants to do here, which is just take people's oil and conquer. And we're loitering above you. We're going to destroy you from above.
45:18And I want to talk more about what others aren't talking about in Venezuela because what Trump said to me raises a lot more red flags today. And I've been saying this. And again, I'm not going down the rabbit hole of making the link and saying, ah, it's because of the US drilling and the fracking and all of the kind of sudden shock by the US going into the dirt and deep in the dirt. I don't know. I don't have the data. So when I don't know, I say I don't know. I'll tell you what I do know. We do know that fracking and other certain types of drilling are known to cause certain seismic geological events.
46:06We do know that a foreshock aftershock that took place in Venezuela is incredibly rare, right? Normally you have the earthquake, Then you have aftershocks thereafter. And then it kind of wanes. Okay. But here we had the foreshock 7.1, the aftershock, boom, right after each other. And that pattern is statistically not something that often happens. And no one's even asking the question. And what I found fascinating was in Donald Trump's press conference when he had the president of Lebanon, by his side today is I want you to watch what he said. First, he says, we took over Venezuela. We took their oil.
46:55We conquered them. We took their oil. Let me play you this one first. Let's play it. I think people are very impressed. I mean, we took over Venezuela. We now have a great relationship with Venezuela. We went to war with Venezuela and the war ended in one day. And we have now an incredible relationship with Venezuela. We're taking out millions of barrels of oil. They're making more money now than they ever made before, ever.
47:21Ben Meiselas:Who's the they? Have you spoken to Venezuelan people? Have you asked the people in Venezuela, hey, you happy right now under Delcy? How is it going right now with thousands dead and tens of thousands. Y 'all are happy there in Venezuela right now? Now we know that Delcy gave medals to the Trump search and rescue teams that were there. It seemed like there was more time being spent on awarding themselves stuffs and medals and press conference than doing immediate urgent search and rescue. I'm sure there were search and rescue people who were there with good intentions and deserve to be applauded, but do we need to give them medals right away during, I mean, like right after a horrific event?
48:10Ben Meiselas:I mean, within days, you start giving them medals? Medals? While there are bodies that are there, they're getting medals? I don't think that's the time. But notice what Trump says here when he says, and he talks about it, Venezuela is a happy place. They had a tragic event that took place a couple of days ago, a couple of weeks ago, doesn't even know what had happened. They had a movement, a shifting of earth that was unbelievable. I guess you would call it an earthquake. I guess you would call it an earthquake? What do you call it? A shifting of the earth? Here, play this clip. The President is very closely with the administration and we get along very well.
49:02Venezuela is a very happy place. They had a tragic incident with the, you know, with the event that took place a couple of days ago, a couple of weeks ago. What a terrible thing that was. They had a, they had a movement, a shifting of earth that was unbelievable. Nobody's ever, they've never seen anything like it. A lot of people were killed. So it's all unrelated. But by the way, we were the first ones there to help. We were there to help Venezuela. It was an earthquake, I guess you'd call it. It was a pretty massive earthquake. And we were able to do a lot of good. But they lost a lot of people.
49:38Venezuela, the people are so happy that we're there. The jobs, everything's happening. And we're taking out many, many times the money that we spent on the war. This one...
49:52Ben Meiselas:It was unrelated, he said, unrelated to the drilling. Who would even bring that up unless that's a thought? I mean, again, why would you even bring up that the earthquakes are unrelated to the drilling and fracking if there wasn't a discussion even going on about that, about what happened? It was unrelated, of course. That to me, and you may disagree, seems like a guilty conscience. Well, there's no guilt when it comes to him. It seems like a Freudian slip or Freudian conscience, I should say. That guy doesn't feel guilty about anything. He just lets it spew sometimes. I think, and I know it's, you know, I don't know if it's not the right thing to criticize people getting medals right afterwards.
50:52Ben Meiselas:You know, is it too soon for me to be critical of it? I just don't know. I personally don't believe you start awarding yourself things while there are bodies in the ground that were not rescued, but that's me. and I think there are not questions being asked about what's going on there. Where's this money going? It's not going to the people. Was there any causal relation here? You know, at the Midas Touch Network, when I say I don't know things, I say I don't know. I don't know. I don't have the answer. I don't know. Okay? I may be very wrong. I just think that my spidey sense, the sense that I used in founding this network, in thinking critically about issues before, whether it was the Epstein files or other things early on.
51:45Ben Meiselas:My spidey sense is saying, look more into that. Look more into that, by the way. WTF America is the book. Pre-order it right now. Really helps if you pre-order. Can you do me a favor too, put in the comments WTF if you've pre-ordered it. But don't lie. Really only put WTF if you've actually pre-ordered, if you really pre-ordered. Or if you will pre-order it today, do WTF in the comments. All right, let's take our last quick break of the show.
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55:24Ben Meiselas:Welcome back. Great ad reads, Jordy. Thank you to our sponsors who make this show possible. What I try to do in WTF America, I'm not holding information back on the show. You know how lots of books, they hold the information and it's like, well, here's what I've been waiting to share. I've never held anything back. But what it is, WTF America, and why I want the title to punch WTF is I really want it to be this kind of enduring snapshot of where we are right now. I want it to convey a philosophy that we talk about here. When I say we, I include you in that. I mean, it's the Midas Mighty philosophy.
56:15Ben Meiselas:and notice that on a lot of the episodes that I do, I rarely am getting in the weeds of the gamification of politics. It doesn't mean I don't care about the day-to-day happenings in a primary race or a specific election. But to me, the project that we're all engaged in here is not simply one election or two elections or being reactive to that type of mindset. To me, it is more fundamental, and it is how do we generationally get out of a death loop that has saddled us with death and with these dire conditions that people are feeling. Because those feelings can either bring us in a direction of fascism and strong men, I alone can fix it, and scapegoating and easy solutions or blaming people for complex situations, bullying, corrosiveness, further destruction.
57:45Ben Meiselas:the situation can allow the very people who have caused the situation to be the wolves in sheep clothing saying that they're the ones who are going to help. Or we can get out of this together, not just in a single election cycle, but I think as we saw after Trump won, it was very easy with oligarch-run media, with disinformation, with lots of right-wing money, trillions of dollars being put into this, to blame the firefighters for the damage that the arsonists did. So what I often talk about here is values and principles. It never shocks me when a politician lets us down. I come to expect it. I don't put my chips, my proverbial chips with a politician.
58:48Ben Meiselas:That doesn't mean I don't think certain politicians are inspiring or do a good job or have good ideas on certain things. But if you focus so much on the personality, the persona, you will wind up in many ways how we got here. Instead, what I argue and what you know I always argue is that we need to very clearly articulate our values and our principles as these threshold matters. We need to take a step back and ask more basic questions about what is the point of government. And governance is the goal to create dystopian reality shows that make us all non-consensual extras that are inflicted with new traumas every day and that we feel like we're living in a constant escape room.
59:54Ben Meiselas:Is that the goal of government? I hope not for any political part. I hope that's not what government is. What I believe it should be is something that makes lives better, that provides services, that protects basic human rights and equality, and that does not intrude and intervene in our personal lives, in our bedrooms, in our private decision-making, and that they stay out. You know, I find it interesting when Donald Trump, again, just like in the Venezuela clip that I showed you, it's unrelated, it's unrelated. You know, we're doing a lot of drilling, but it's totally unrelated. When you study the patterns, when you study how he speaks, the types of things that he says, there's often a lot of confession and projection, right?
1:00:58Ben Meiselas:So when he says, I would be the greatest communist ever, like Lenin, he says, like Lenin, that's what he calls Lenin, because he says, I would promise you all of these things. This is free. That's free. And then I would never have to deliver those things. And you think about the Trump regime and what they do. I think that his behavior more closely resembles the typical communist leadership, in my opinion, than any other example out there. What's more Stalin? What's more Lenin than the way Donald Trump behaves? He takes over control of the methods and means of productions of companies. He hoists up a VIP class who gets subsidized and get benefits.
1:01:55Ben Meiselas:and it's basically a welfare system for billionaires who are part of his clique while everybody else suffers, he promises, I will make your life so much better. Electricity prices will be down 50 % on day one. Groceries will go down on day one. Inflation will go down immediately. Gas prices will be lower immediately, less than$2 a gallon. I will be able to fix it all. I've brought in Doge dividend checks. I mean, just think about it. The idea of a Doge dividend check, which again is a lie, the government is going to seize apparatus, create its own Politburo, and then hand out money and dole out to people that it views as more worthy of it.
1:03:01Ben Meiselas:but I will give you$5 ,000 each. Doge dividend checks. That never happened. There will be this gold in Fort Knox that we will give you. We'll give you gold from Fort Knox and people will get very rich. Tariff rebate checks. We will give you these tariff rebate checks. You're going to get so much money. You're going to make so much money. I mean, heck, even something that I think could be a good thing. Sometimes people ask, Ben, is there anything you think that could be good? I like the idea of no tax on tips. I like, however, however, you need to get tips. Hospitality is down. So the people who that's supposed to help more than anyone are out of jobs.
1:03:51And then when you actually look at the no tax on tips, it's qualified by all of these things.
1:03:57Ben Meiselas:that when the deduction is actually implemented, it doesn't anyway come close to offsetting the wealth shift from the people to the very rich people. It is a fugazi. It is the smoke and mirrors to actually pickpocket from those people to give it to the preferred class. Now, what the Trump regime, and again, this is why I set out the philosophy in WTF America, because we need to understand, we need to think this way, in my view, more than just, oh, you know what, this person in this primary and this person said this about this person. And so that person responded to this person and this person responded and I don't like that person and this person and this person and that person.
1:04:53I want to step back and say, what are we looking for in politicians? What are we looking for our government to achieve? Be very wary of labels.
1:05:05Ben Meiselas:Be very wary of slogans. You'll often find they're empty. You'll often find that they are tools for manipulation and fraud. Trump recognizes that. That's why his view of the American dream is something to dangle and never deliver on. But to me, I want to see the actions. I want to see what the person is actually doing here. What are you doing? How are you helping? Are you truly helping? Did we really bring in$19.1 trillion? Of course we didn't. How could we be$3.5 trillion more in debt this year and it's only July Why if we brought in$19.1 trillion? If the overall economy is$32 trillion, you're saying that only$11 million is consumption?
1:06:00That doesn't make any sense. So then you said, oh, wait a minute. This is all one big fraud. This whole number is made up. Everything is a fraud. Everything is a fake. We have to step out of that. And we have to align the interests of the people and make our voices heard more profoundly, louder,
1:06:27Ben Meiselas:and not chase any specific politician. Anyway, that's what I think is really important, you know, in this moment. Because when you're rooted in values and principles and, you know, it's frankly why I don't like, you know, to, you know, I don't like these, you know, silly debates where another person is living in an alternate reality and they've got their talking points. well what about buying it it's like dude just shut up what what what what are you truly happy with the never-ending war in iran you really think that they're obliterated right now you think that that's what's going on you're you're you're happy about the way this is being handled you're happy with the way this is being handled you you you you you can call out the genocide that's taking place in Gaza.
1:07:25Everything to you has to be rooted in some political slogan that
1:07:30Ben Meiselas:you can't just recognize as a human being, that there are so many innocent people being killed and mothers and children and fathers and not just killed, but maimed. You can't even as a human, Everything to you has to be through some political prism of gotcha this, gotcha that, that you can't take a step back and just be a human being and say, this is wrong. You can't do that. You can't look at the bombings by Israel in Lebanon and say that's wrong in residential areas and that that's unacceptable and that's not okay. You can't look at Donald Trump blowing up a hospital in elementary school in Manab and killing little girls.
1:08:27Ben Meiselas:And you can't just be like, that's horrible and that's wrong. And one of the hard things for me is those are our taxpayer dollars. Right? If you gave money to a murderer to buy a gun and that person killed people, you'd feel responsible. So doesn't it follow that if our taxpayer dollars, rather than going to help Americans live thriving lives, are going to trillions of dollars to Pete Hegseth's War Department to kill people? that we're unreluctant we're reluctantly we don't want to be involved but we're complicit also you want to be you want to be complicit in these things I don't want to be complicit in these things but that's our taxpayer dollars are going to that and I don't know this isn't a talking point this isn't therefore I want you This is a true feeling of pain and sadness.
1:09:53And to say I don't like that, it is something we need to really get out of. And we need to fundamentally rethink. Not in an election cycle. It's not an election book, WTF. It's not a, let's just get out. It's not. It is step back. think, what are we doing here with our lives? What is the point of living? What is the point of making sure that future generations have a better place? I mean, is the purpose of the short time we're here take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take die? I mean, you know, you look at Lindsey Graham's life, you know, and death, you know, I mean, what was, you were born, you then went to work on Capitol Hill, and then you spent your time encouraging people to kill people with a bloodthirst, with a bloodthirst.
1:11:06and then Donald J. Trump, Donald J. Trump, Donald J. Trump and then you're dead. You're dead.
1:11:13Ben Meiselas:That's the point of being alive? That's why that's the point of your existence? You're dead now, Lindsay. That was all worth it? Being alone at Disney with a bubble machine alone while having this weird look on your face about murdering children?
1:11:42You're dead now. And, you know, the devices in our hand,
1:11:50Ben Meiselas:the algorithms, you know, the loud echo chain, the loud whatever, I want Midas Touch. I want this network. I want ultimately the book to be like, frankly, what I want people to remember. Remember what I did here for. I want to be remembered as a good father. I want to be remembered as a good husband. I want to be remembered as someone who made mistakes, but was nice and kind, more than nice, was kind, was empathetic, was someone who fought for people who were being bullied. But more directionally than just even the Midas Touch network, I want to be remembered for helping to build a community and a rethinking of just, honestly, our shared humanity.
1:12:54Ben Meiselas:And even just for a moment to reflect and think, why are you talking about this? What are we doing on a day-to-day basis? We need to recalibrate. We need to recalibrate the North Star and be on that direction, as opposed to chasing this politician or that politician, or this political game, or that political game or this specific campaign or that specific game. Where your values align with the political party, that's great. But find them who represent your values and who are willing to fight against the other values, the non-values, the hate. Who's going to be a better fighter? And how do you harness the power of you not giving in, you not submitting?
1:13:43Ben Meiselas:So anyway, I guess I just spent the last segment giving, well, I want you to be able to read, but that's a lot of what I think we need to be focused on, even more than just the day-to-day. That's what I think about. I, of course, have to do the daily videos and the daily hits, but that to me is a broader thing that I'll leave you with today. So on that note, thank you. Pre-order it. put WTF in the chat if you truly pre-ordered it, but don't. Be truthful, only if you actually have. And I wonder if, I know the economy is very difficult right now for most Americans. I wonder, and you tell me what you think in the chat, if there are people who have the ability, I wonder if there's a way to do like 10 books and then be, I don't, I don't, I don't, I generally don't know if the book publishing company can do that and then give out the books or figure out a way to do that.
1:14:47Ben Meiselas:I don't know. I'll think my brothers may be like, you can't do that. That's not a thing. I don't know. All right. Well, thank you everybody for watching. I'm going to cover the Hegseth hearing in a little bit as well. So make sure you check back. I'll probably drop that video around four or four 30. Got a little sentimental on this episode. I got to tell you, but I'm glad we shared it together. Thanks for watching. We appreciate you. Scan the QR code above. Have a good one, everybody. We appreciate you. Want to stay plugged in? Become a subscriber to our sub stack at MidasPlus.com. You'll get daily recaps from Ron Filipkowski, add free episodes of our podcast, and more exclusive content only available at MidasPlus.com.
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