World Leaders Challenge Trump as China Gains Global Influence

27 Sep 2026 · 34 min · 9 chapters

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The episode argues that under Donald Trump, the U.S. is losing credibility and influence as China and other countries build a “multipolar” coalition, highlighted by coordinated UN criticism of U.S. policy toward Cuba and broader condemnations of U.S. actions in the Middle East and Venezuela.

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Key claims

China is “ascending” and the U.S. “declining,” with China and BRICS-style partners coordinating messaging at the UN. The U.S. is portrayed as unreliable and self-serving, undermining the post–World War II international order. The U.S. is accused of collective punishment via the Cuba embargo and of hypocrisy in other conflicts.

Notable examples

UN remarks by China’s VP Han Zheng; speeches by Brazil’s President Lula; Barbados, Vietnam, Namibia, South Africa, and Cuba’s foreign ministers; U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s statements; remarks by Russia’s Sergei Lavrov; comments by France’s Emmanuel Macron; Iraq PM Mohammed Shia al-Sudani referencing Hammurabi/Thucydides; Canada FM Anita Anand on coalition-building.

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World Leaders Challenge Trump's Regime

0:45 to 0:55

Discussion on how world leaders are responding to Trump's actions and China's emerging influence.

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World Leaders Challenge Trump's Regime

1:56 to 14:00

Discussion on how world leaders are responding to Trump's actions and China's emerging influence.

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International Order and Trump's Regime

14:00 to 17:46

Discussion on the breakdown of the post-World War II international order under Trump's administration.

“I mean, you have a new international system being created as the Trump regime tore down the post-World War II architecture that the United States created.”

Russia's Growing Influence and U.S. Weakness

17:46 to 21:28

Analysis of Russia's strategic messaging and the U.S.'s loss of credibility in global politics.

“while Donald Trump is playing pick-up sticks and poking himself in the eye.”

Global Responses to U.S. Policies

21:28 to 28:00

Exploration of various world leaders' reactions to U.S. foreign policy and the shift towards coalitions.

“arguing is that any president, if they wanted to in the United States, could take over Venezuela.”

International Engagement and Partnerships

28:00 to 29:40

Learn about the importance of international partnerships and how Canada is positioning itself amid global challenges.

“We will work with trusted partners to strengthen our strategic capabilities, especially in emerging technologies, critical minerals, defense production, and clean and conventional energy.”

Marco Rubio's Diplomatic Insights

29:40 to 31:21

Explore Marco Rubio's perspective on current global crises and his stance on the West Bank situation.

“I showed you all of that so you see how international diplomacy is being conducted, right?”

Steve Whitcoff on Gaza

31:21 to 31:54

Discuss the controversial comments from Steve Whitcoff regarding the situation in Gaza.

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Steve Whitcoff on Gaza

32:55 to 33:46

Discuss the controversial comments from Steve Whitcoff regarding the situation in Gaza.

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2:07Ben Meiselas:World leaders are striking back at Donald Trump and his despicable regime, and China is calling checkmate right now. While Donald Trump was rolling out the red carpet this week for Xi Jinping and having U.S. Air Force personnel and army personnel get down on their knees for Xi to roll out said red carpet, while Trump told Xi how well-respected he is in the United States, and a lavish state dinner was thrown for Xi. China was leading an international coalition this week in the United Nations to condemn the United States. Just as Xi was saying to Donald Trump's face, the Thucydides trap needs to be avoided, meaning China is the ascending power, The U.S.

2:54Ben Meiselas:is the declining power, and Donald Trump needs to stay out of China's way. China was acting on the message that she delivered to Donald Trump's face. And let me show you what was actually going down in real time. So at the United Nations over the weekend, you had China's vice president, Han Zhang, calling out the Trump regime for the embargo against Cuba. And China referred to the United States on the floor of the United Nations as the, quote, relevant country. And so while Donald Trump was bringing Xi into this bizarre closet shrine room that Trump created for Xi, and Trump was posting photos of Xi all over the West Wing, this is what was going on in the United Nations.

3:46Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip. Of the crisis. China urges the relevant country to immediately stop using threat of force against Cuba and immediately and completely lift the blockade and sanctions against Cuba. I'm going to show you a few more clips of China's Vice President Han Zhang because it's important we understand what's going on in the world as China is now leading a new multilateral, multipolar world order. And I want to share with you what China's vice president's saying, what other world leaders are saying and doing, and how you have Donald Trump like the buffoon that he is just ranting and raving on social media and demonstrating how unpredictable the United States is, how unreliable the United States, how dangerous and unserious the United States is.

4:37Ben Meiselas:Here's China's Vice President Han Zheng again, saying that China holds that the sovereignty and security of countries in the Middle East, including the Gulf, should be respected. And this is an important message directed once again at the Trump regime's violation of the sovereignty of Iran, the Trump Netanyahu invasion. And this is also directed at the Netanyahu regime's genocide in Gaza, the slaughter of people in southern Lebanon, the attacks in Syria, and other locations in the Middle East. Play this clip. China holds that the sovereignty and security of countries in the Middle East, including the Gulf, should be respected.

5:21International industrial and supply chains should be kept stable and unimpeded, and global trade should be safeguarded. China calls for advancing the governance of the West Bank and the post-conflict reconstruction of Gaza in accordance with the principle of the Palestinians governing Palestine. It also calls for bringing the Palestinian question back onto the right track of this two-state solution at an early date.

5:48Ben Meiselas:And then China positioned itself as the leader in trying to bring peace to the world. Now, you could say, well, Ben, this is disingenuous. Look at what's going on by Taiwan. Look at China. You can make those arguments. I'm just letting you know that China is using this language intentionally on the world stage to rally the world in a new world dynamic with the U.S. being weak and isolated and alone and China doing what the United States used to do. Play this clip. The world wants peace, not war. The international system centered on the UN and the international order underpinned by international law that emerged after World War II must be upheld.

6:40We should turn into action the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative, and sustainable security, and reject the Cold War mindset and block confrontation. We should settle differences and disputes through dialogue and consultation, and oppose unilateral military actions that violate the UN Charter and circumvent Security Council authorization.

7:07Ben Meiselas:conversation so then let me turn to president lula of brazil a member of bricks right the bricks meeting remember two weeks ago we were reporting on that brazil russia india um you had china and you have south africa i'll show you lots of more of their speeches here at the united nations but here brazilian president lula calls out the trump regime's invasion of venezuela and again, you have China rallying this new coalition that's growing, this new multilateral world order. Watch what Brazilian President Lula says here. Play this clip. Anachronistic gestures. The Venezuelan people deserve to define their own destiny.

7:53Nicaragua will not solve its problems by preventing the opposition from running in the elections.

7:59Ben Meiselas:And here's what Brazilian President Lula says about Cuba. Here, play this clip. In Cuba, the world watches in horror as collective punishment is imposed on 10 million people by an illegal economic and energy embargo. And more from Brazilian President Lula right here, calling out the enemies of democracy, foreign and domestic, a clear message directed at the Trump regime. Let's play it. And a free press, we will not allow the enemies of democracy, whether domestic or foreign, to undermine popular will. Brazilian democracy belongs to Brazilians. Brazil continues to be a sovereign country. Nobody, nobody will turn us away from this path.

8:52May God bless us all.

8:54Ben Meiselas:And then he calls out the continuation of war as something that is harmful to international order, to politics. Here's what he has to say again, calling out the Trump regime. War is not the continuation of politics by other means. It's the complete breakdown of politics. Now, you had country after country rallying around this message from BRICS that we heard from China, that we heard from Brazil. So let me share with you what we heard from the prime minister of Barbados. Play this clip. We are deeply concerned by the worsening humanitarian pressures facing the people of Cuba. Too many people are suffering.

9:43Too many people. Restrictions on trade, finance, and access to fuel are intensifying hardship not only for Cuban citizens but for all others who study and live.

9:56Ben Meiselas:Here's what we heard from the President of Vietnam. Play this clip. We call upon the US to end the unilateral embargoing and sanctions and the energy blockade against Cuba and remove Cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. We also called upon the international community to support Cuba in overcoming the sanctions. Here is what we heard from the president of Namibia. Namibia, here play this clip. We call for the lifting of the unjustified economic embargo against Cuba, which had far-reaching consequences for the Cuban economy and the well-being of people, including access to essential goods.

10:40Ben Meiselas:Here's what we heard from the foreign minister of South Africa. Suffering of the Cuban people should command our deepest solidarity. We reiterate our call for an end to the blockade on the Cuban people. The designation of Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism is similarly unfounded and should be removed from that list. Unilateral cohesive measures have negative spillover effects that seriously undermine that. We're hearing this over and over again. Now, let me show you what we heard as well from the foreign minister of Cuba. And this was a moment where the United States delegation at the United Nations just walked out as you had Cuba's Foreign Minister Eduardo Rodriguez Paria calling out the US and Netanyahu.

11:35Ben Meiselas:Watch what happened over here. And the United Nations organization, such as the Sovereign Equality Among States, are under permanent attack. The genocidal crime of Zionism against the Palestinian people, the pirate attacks against vessels, and the extrajudicial executions in the Caribbean Sea and some areas in the Pacific, the military aggression against the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, and the war against the Islamic Republic of Iran are new expressions of this atrocity. They are also a reflection of the crisis of identity and relevance. Then we heard Cuba's foreign minister of affairs, Bruno Rodriguez, also Eduardo, Bruno Rodriguez, deliver the following message, denouncing the embargo as an act of collective punishment and an act of war crime against the people of Cuba.

12:37Ben Meiselas:You can listen to it for yourself. The impact of such an ironclad and ruthless siege as a human face, the economic warfare is aimed against the people. It harms the Cuban people as a whole. It takes a toll on human lives. It causes individual and collective pain. It causes anguish. It is not collateral damage. It is a policy deliberately designed to wound the deepest sensibilities of Cuban families, disturb their well-being and hurt the dignity of the people. It is an act of collective punishment, a crime also proscribed by international humanitarian law. The obvious short-term immediate goal pursued by such a policy is to induce a humanitarian crisis in Cuba, which is also a crime.

13:32The government of the United States and the U.S. State Department have been forced to recognize the suffering inflicted on the Cuban people, but they have the impudence and cynicism to insist in putting the blame on the government of Cuba. The executioner is blaming the victim.

13:52Ben Meiselas:Now, while this was going on, you had U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio whining about the international system, right? I mean, you have a new international system being created as the Trump regime tore down the post-World War II architecture that the United States created. And then you have Marco Rubio's speech whining about the international system. Here, play this clip. Yeah, look, I mean, the international system is not in good shape right now. And these international norms people talk about, I think the limits of international norms is your national interest. At the end of the day, the president, and I reflected this going back to the very beginning, the view of this administration is that the number one obligation of every government is the national interest of their country.

14:38Ben Meiselas:You also have Marco Rubio saying, we, the United States, will never put the international order above the interests of the United States. Here, play this clip. But at the end of the day, the United States will always act, at least as long as President Trump is in office, we will always act in the national interest of our country, not in the interest of the international order. We will never put the international order above the interest of the United States. Okay? Well, in fact, you're doing something so much worse because you are putting international disorder above the interest of the United States.

15:15Ben Meiselas:It would be one thing if you were focused on the U.S. and that was your pitch, right? That was your whole no more never ending wars, no more. We're going to end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. But in reality, you engaged in these horrific and catastrophic wars like the war in Iran and the war in Venezuela, which sent a message that the law of the jungle reigns supreme. You killed the Ayatollah and the Ayatollah's granddaughter, and you unleashed catastrophe and war crimes in the region. You ate and abet genocide in Gaza and the slaughter of people in Lebanon. And now you're whining about that.

15:51Ben Meiselas:By the way, you have Marco Rubio also out there saying that he's proud to have invited Sergei Lavrov and Putin to the G20. Here, play this clip. That's going to be in Doral, by the way. Trump's resort in December at the G20. Putin was invited. Here, play this clip. or the people that you might have some issues with. So we've invited President Putin to the G20. We think it's an opportunity for him to engage not just with the president, but with other world leaders. We hope that's an invitation he'll accept that there's an opportunity in December if that happens. If there's another opportunity for them to meet and there's a purpose behind the meeting, that would be good.

16:31Ben Meiselas:And by the way, Putin's response to being invited to the G20 was not, yes, we're grateful for the invited. It is, we have understood that we were invited. We will respond through appropriate diplomatic channels. In other words, saying, we're not like jumping for joy that you invited us. We will deal with it in turn. And again, that's kind of a humiliation ritual also and intentionally done by Russia to send a message to the rapidly changing world order about the weakness of the United States that the U.S. would be begging in that fashion. So while you have Rubio begging in that fashion for Russia to show up at the G20, what was Sergei Lavrov, Russia's foreign minister, saying at the UN?

17:19Ben Meiselas:Do you see how the BRICS nations, though, are coordinating their messaging to a global world order and you contrast that to Rubio whining, oh, it's so unpredictable. Things are so difficult. What do you think that was going on at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization three weeks ago or so? And at the BRICS Summit in New Delhi about two weeks ago. They plan, they coordinate, they have strategy. They're playing three-dimensional chess, eight-dimensional chess, while Donald Trump is playing pick-up sticks and poking himself in the eye. Here's what Sergei Lavrov says. Play this clip. It is unacceptable the fact that force was used to kill the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and members of his family, members of the military and political leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran, were particularly disquieted by the fact that the US and Israeli aggression, which began in June of last year, also seeks to target the civilian infrastructure in Iran and civilian nuclear infrastructure under IEA safeguards.

18:22This dealt an irreversible blow to the authority of the agency and the entire nuclear nonproliferation system.

18:29Ben Meiselas:And more messaging from Lavrov here about the U.S. needing to lift its siege on Cuba. Do you see how the U.S. loses its moral authority in the world? Do you see how this impacts the United States' ability to try to criticize Russia and try to criticize China or criticize any country? When the U.S. invades Venezuela the way it does and steals its oil and resources and Trump sets up Qatari accounts, when you engage in this behavior, the U.S. loses all credibility. Here's what Lavrov is saying. And you have Russia in the U.N. taking and asserting, and I'm not suggesting they have it, but asserting moral high ground on the issue of the Cuba embargo for the suffering directed at Cuban people.

19:17Ben Meiselas:Here play this clip. But we stand in solidarity with the Cuban people and its government. We insist that the US lift its siege on the island of freedom and lift all restrictions on trade with Cuba, striking it off the list of that violent list. Then you have Sergei Lavrov talking about what the Trump regime did in Venezuela. And Lavrov makes the point. Okay. So I'm trying to get this straight. You said that Maduro was a drug trafficking narco terrorist. So you keep Maduro's regime in place so you can take over the oil and then you want to run the country. Got it. That's what the United States is all about.

19:58Ben Meiselas:Watch what Lavrov says here. Play this clip. If you take a look in Venezuela, well, they said that Maduro was a drug trafficker and that's why there was a need for a regime change. And now they've simply taken over their oil industry. They accused Iran of supporting terrorism for decades, yet there were periods when the U.S. offered to Iran to jointly exercise control over the Strait of Hormuz. So we understand that this means that the national interests of the U.S. are fairly self-serving, let's just be honest and put it that way. And in our talks, we attempt to explain what you began with, namely that in today's world, it will be impossible even for a superpower like the United States to single-handedly resolve all global problems and do so at the expense of other countries in their favor.

20:58I'm sure that life will teach our U.S. partners to start thinking in terms of multipolarity and accept the fact that they're not the only economic military and generally the only power in the world, the only independent player on the international arena.

21:20Ben Meiselas:Now, why am I showing you the Lavrov clip? I think it's important that we open up our eyes and see what the hell is going. One of the things that I've always been arguing is that any president, if they wanted to in the United States, could take over Venezuela. Yes, the United States is a superpower, or was. So yes, it has a gigantic military. We know our taxpayer dollars are not going to healthcare. They're not going to help the American people. They're going to fund a military industrial complex. Donald Trump still destroyed that, like he bankrupted casinos where the house is supposed to always win.

21:55Ben Meiselas:We ran out of weapons. We lost the war to Iran. It was absolutely catastrophic. But at the end of the day, yes, we know that the U.S. has a stronger military than Venezuela. So why doesn't Biden or Obama or Clinton or Bush, why don't you invade Venezuela in addition to it being morally wrong and reprehensible to just go in and steal the resources? There's a broader aspect too. And I think moral and moral authority is critical. Let me be very clear. And we shouldn't steal resources. Let me be very clear. Also, when you think about an international order and a broader dynamic, you lose all credibility as the so-called leader of the free world or the ability to even assert such a thing when you're invading and stealing oil and stealing resources from Cuba and taking it over.

22:46Ben Meiselas:And then it allows, this is what I've always said, what do you think Russia's going to say? Look what the US did in Venezuela. So now you're going to lecture us on Ukraine? You're going to lecture us on this. You're going to lecture us on that. What do you think China is going to say? You're going to lecture us on Taiwan. You're going to lecture us about what we do in our, you have no authority to lecture us. I think that is a very big freaking deal right there. What else is going on in the UN? Well, you had French President Emmanuel Macron say, here's the question. Do we want to live under this state of affairs with a return to the law of the jungle?

23:22Ben Meiselas:or do we want to return to civilized societies? Here, play this clip. The question we must answer is very simple. The question is, do we want to live under this state of affairs with a return to the law of the jungle, or do we want to live in a civilized international society. Now you also have Iraq's prime minister, al-Zaidi. He has to thread this needle. You have this massive Shiite population in Iraq, while you have the United States controlling Iraqi oil and their resources as well. And so you have lots of people in Iraq sympathetic to the people of Iran and the kind of brotherhood between those nations, especially amongst the Shiite populations there, right?

24:14Ben Meiselas:Then you have the Trump regime's imperialistic policies and frankly, imperialistic policies going back a very long time with the United States and Iraq. So Zayidi was handpicked basically by the Trump regime, but he has to kind of figure it out. He knows that a lot of the people in Iraq are very sympathetic with Iran. So anyway, here's the speech that he gives. I'll give you a short portion where he talks about, and he says it again, very much the way Xi Jinping uses Thucydides' trap as a reference because Trump's so damn stupid and dumb that, you know, you speak in this semi-coded language that the world understands.

24:55Ben Meiselas:And so you have Zaidi speaking in this semi-coded language about the Babylonian king Hammurabi. Thucydides, Hammurabi. Do you see that they are doing this because they realize that the United States is led by an absolute idiot and a dangerous, malicious, evil, vile one as well? Listen to how he describes this, though. Here, play this clip right here. Here at the United Nations headquarters, there is a replica of the steli of the Babylonian king Hammurabi. It has an inscription which reads, laws are made to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak. In today's world, we find the weak being oppressed because it is the law of the powerful that governs, not the power of the law.

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25:54Therefore, the question of Palestine remains central to any discussion of stability in the region.

26:06There will be no room for security in the Middle East without a just solution for this issue and without establishing the right of the Palestinian people to their land, to self-determination, and to establishing their sovereign state.

26:22Ben Meiselas:Then we heard from Canada's foreign minister, Anita Anand, and she calls out the United States that we can no longer afford to be overly reliant on one partner. Here's what she says.

26:52and enjoy peace and prosperity.

26:56Ben Meiselas:Anand then says we will prioritize decisive, effective action by coalitions with shared values. And again, this is obviously directed at a move away from the United States. Let's play it. We will prioritize decisive, effective action by forging issue-based coalitions of nations that share a sense of urgency on common challenges. We believe that these coalitions are the most flexible, effective, and immediate way to address emerging global challenges. We are already forming these coalitions with small states, middle powers, and great powers alike. She talks further about middle powers uniting. Let's play this clip.

27:42Canada will pursue a policy of values-based realism. Understanding the world as it is, we will make the right choices for Canadians while being guided by our values. We will diversify our ties. We will work with trusted partners to strengthen our strategic capabilities, especially in emerging technologies, critical minerals, defense production, and clean and conventional energy. And we will lead other middle powers to act collectively and decisively, because middle powers are playing a key role in building the framework for the new international order, which is being established as we speak.

28:36Ben Meiselas:And then she talks about countries that choose to build higher walls and retreat from international engagement again. This is clearly directed at the Trump regime. Let's play this clip. Though some would build higher walls and retreat from international engagement, we believe that long-term partnerships are the way to prosperity and security. Though some are turning away from the principles of the United Nations, we remain committed to them. And though some would rather ignore the rupture that we see before our very eyes, we are willing to see the world as it is. Rather than yearn for days gone by, let us together take this opportunity to do right by our people and build together.

29:29This is the path that Canada will take. And we invite you to join us in partnership. Thank you. Merci, miigwech.

29:44Ben Meiselas:And then finally, you have Marco Rubio. This is how Marco Rubio. I showed you all of that so you see how international diplomacy is being conducted, right? Then you have Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying, you know, the world really doesn't need a West Bank crisis right now. Like, we don't want that. Like, we're already dealing with a lot of crisis. You have Ansarala, the Houthis in western Yemen. You've got a crisis in the Hormuz and Babel Mandab. And you have Russia's war in Ukraine. So could we, dudes, dudes, can we not do West Bank dudes? This is like what he says here. Play this clip. West Bank.

30:25What is your feeling on the West Bank? It's not my feeling. The president has made it clear that we don't want to see additional flashpoints there. Given everything that's going on in the region now, the difficulties in implementing the agreements made with regard to Gaza, the tenuous situation in Lebanon, obviously now the Houthis and Saudi Arabia, the ongoing friction and conflict with Iran. the last thing this region needs is an additional flashpoint. And the last thing we think Israel needs is an additional flashpoint. So as I said, it is our preference that, and we've communicated that to everyone, that the president really doesn't think the world right now needs a West Bank crisis.

31:12And that's our position. And I think we've been clear on that.

31:16Ben Meiselas:And then you have idiotic Steve Whitcoff, Trump's scumbag real estate friend. And here's his take on Gaza. The ceasefire, while imperfect, it exists because we're claiming that it exists. So we're just going to say it. Here, play this clip. Tangible. All of the hostages are home. There is a ceasefire, imperfect as it may be, but it still exists. No, there's still a genocide going on in Gaza. People are being still slaughtered in southern Lebanon. We know what's happening. Anyway, I thought this video was very revealing for you to see what's really going on and what the overall dynamic is. Let me know what you think.

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