In short
The episode argues that at the G20 in South Africa, world leaders “froze out” Donald Trump after his U.S. boycott over claims of “white genocide” in South Africa. It claims the G20 became the “G19” and issued its declaration immediately at the start—normally done at the end—signaling unity for multilateralism. Key examples include President Cyril Ramaphosa’s remarks praising multilateralism, and Finland’s President Alexander Stubb emphasizing rules-based order and warning against multipolarity. It also cites South Africa’s Dr. Oscar Van Hilden saying Trump’s absence enabled faster consensus. The episode further claims leaders coordinated on climate financing, debt management, disaster management, and critical minerals, while Trump’s separate Ukraine “28-point plan” is criticized as favoring Russia.
Guests
none clearly identified as interview guests; named figures are Ramaphosa, Alexander Stubb, and Dr. Oscar Van Hilden.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOG20 Leaders Address Trump's Absence
0:00 to 0:24
World leaders at the G20 express relief over Trump's absence and emphasize multilateralism.
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G20 Leaders Address Trump's Absence
0:58 to 1:59
World leaders at the G20 express relief over Trump's absence and emphasize multilateralism.
“States boycott of the G20, which is being held in South Africa.”
Cyril Ramaphosa's G19 Declaration
1:59 to 4:10
Cyril Ramaphosa leads the G19 in a declaration emphasizing cooperation and solidarity.
“What they normally do is you wait until the end of the conference.”
Finland's President Highlights Multilateralism
4:10 to 8:24
President Alexander Stubb of Finland speaks on the importance of rules and cooperation.
“It tells the world that as the leaders of the G20, we will keep fast to our solemn pledge to leave no person, no community, and no country behind.”
Global Leaders Discuss Trump's Impact
8:24 to 10:40
Leaders analyze how Trump's absence allows for more effective discussions and agreements.
“and I think a great analysis of what transpired comes from Dr.”
UK's Perspective on the G20 Dynamics
10:40 to 13:24
UK officials discuss the implications of Trump's boycott on G20 negotiations.
“Now, just take a look at the G20 family photos right here.”
Prime Minister Albanese's G20 Engagement
13:24 to 14:00
Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese emphasizes the importance of the G20 for trade.
“For his part, Anthony Albanese insists this G20 summit is as relevant and important as ever.”
Global Leaders at G20: Importance of Representation
14:00 to 15:10
Explore how global leaders are promoting their countries at the G20 summit.
“And it is important, therefore, that I represent Australia at forums like this, advancing Australia's economic interests and supporting Australian jobs.”
The Impact of Trump's Absence on Global Diplomacy
15:10 to 18:05
Discuss the implications of Trump's absence on international discussions at the G20.
“Can you just comment on whether it's been easier or more difficult to have this and other conversations here at the G20 without Donald Trump present or any Americans?”
Reactions to the Russia-Ukraine Conflict
18:05 to 21:23
Analyze the responses from world leaders regarding the Ukraine conflict and potential peace negotiations.
“I mean, here Trump is yesterday, while you have all these world leaders who are out there, you know, who are out there at the G20 and they're going to be in Geneva today.”
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Ukraine's Stance on Territorial Integrity
21:23 to 22:35
Understand Ukraine's position and the coalition's support amidst negotiations.
“That he can continue to fight his little heart out.”
Concerns Over Tech Transfer to Saudi Arabia
22:35 to 25:31
Examine the risks associated with U.S. technology transfers to Saudi Arabia.
“So you have a successful G20 taking place right now in South Africa.”
Transcript
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0:58Ben Meiselas:Furious world leaders at the G20 in South Africa made a powerful statement against the United States boycott of the G20, which is being held in South Africa. The Trump regime is boycotting the G20 in South Africa because Donald Trump has fabricated that there is a white genocide taking place in South Africa. So he says the United States is out to which the world leaders in the G20, or should I call it the G19? They're like, great. We don't want you here. When you're here, we have to deal with your drama, your baby behavior, and all of the baggage that comes with you. And you're like an asset for Putin.
1:39Ben Meiselas:Why the hell would we want you here? So the G19, no longer the G20, they did something unprecedented. So they gave their United declaration of the G20 or now the G19 immediately, right when the conference starts, they did it. Now that never happens. What they normally do is you wait until the end of the conference. And then there's a lot of negotiation going back and forth about what the declaration is, the joint statement coming out of the G20 would be. Not this time. So Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of South Africa, he, on behalf of the United G-19 minus the United States, says, here are our values.
2:26Ben Meiselas:Multilateralism can and does deliver. And Donald Trump's whole position is being anti-multilateralism. Trump's whole thing is go it alone. So the G-20, now the G-19, immediately said, we stand together, we support each other, we support multilateralism, we don't need the United States here. Watch as the president of South Africa, who's hosting the G19, says that. Here, play this clip. This G20 leader summit has a responsibility not to allow the integrity and the credibility of the G20 to be weakened. In fact, from this summit, we should have a sense that the G20 has been strengthened. We thank all delegations that have worked together with us in good faith to produce a worthy G20 outcome document for this historic leaders' meeting.
3:32The G20 Policy underscores the value of the relevance of multilateralism. It recognizes that the challenges that we face can only be resolved through cooperation, collaboration and partnership. The adoption of the Declaration from the Summit sends an important signal to the world that multilateralism can and does deliver. It sends a message of hope and solidarity across the world. It tells the world that as the leaders of the G20, we will keep fast to our solemn pledge to leave no person, no community, and no country behind.
4:28Ben Meiselas:And the speeches at this G20 were so powerful and they were all directed at smacking down the Trump regime and the no-show Donald Trump. I'll give you this example. The president of Finland, Alexander Stubb, he gave an incredible speech where he talked about a rules-based order, multilateralism, and how there needs to be cooperation among nations. This was clearly directed at the Trump regime and the chaos that the United States is causing. Here, play this clip. Move on to His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Finland, Alexander Stubb. Thank you very much, Cyril, and thank you for the invitation.
5:17You know that Finns are famous for two things. One, they speak very shortly, and two, they love rules. And I hope I will stick to both. It's a great privilege to be here for the first time representing Finland. We've never been at a G20 meeting before and we really appreciate the invitation. Joonas Störe and I both come from Nordic countries and we once calculated that the Nordics would be G10. So perhaps I'll speak in that spirit. Cyril, for me this meeting is very much a symbol of multilateralism. And what you are trying to do here is to bring a group of key countries together that have both demography and economy on their side.
6:04And you are doing it at a time when there clearly is a change in the world order, where I believe personally that the nexus of power is moving eastbound and southbound. And now I think all of us pretty much have a choice and the choice is between Multilateralism which you are representing and Multipolarity and these two things are very different for me Multilateralism is about cooperation. It's about rules. It's about norms and it's about institutions I like these rules because they are the ones that bring exactly the thing that you have up there on the board solidarity, equality and sustainability.
6:49My big worry right now is that the world is moving more in a multipolar direction and multipolarity, though it gives power to nation states as such, is problematic because it's more transactional, it's more about deals and therefore it's more prone to conflict. There have been many excellent interventions here today about rules on trade, rules on the way in which we engage with each other. My biggest worry right now is that we are not seeing enough multilateralism in three key conflicts that have been ranging around the world. One, Russia's war of aggression in Ukraine. Two, the situation in Gaza.
7:38And three, the situation in Sudan. So I hope that we lean towards multilateralism. And let me say, coming from a small country, what I believe the West should do in this. I think the West should understand that the multilateral institutions that were created after World War II and that were upheld after the Cold War, the power structure of them is right now unfair. It needs to be changed. We need to distribute power in a world that exists today, not the world that existed in 1945. That is the best way for us to drive multilateralism and get it back on track. Thank you very much. Three minutes and 12 seconds.
8:31Thank you very much, President Stubb. You're just so precise, Alexandra. That's the Nordic spirit, I take it.
8:42Ben Meiselas:and I think a great analysis of what transpired comes from Dr. Oscar Van Hilden from South Africa as well and he says look having Trump not here was the best thing for all of the world leaders we could actually have constructive conversations we could work together in other words Donald Trump is a cancer throughout the world. We don't want him. Get rid of this guy. Stay out of all of these and the world can actually get along. Now, as an American, it is so disheartening, of course, to see how America is viewed on the world stage like that. But it's true. The guy is a dangerous menace to the United States, to the international order.
9:31Ben Meiselas:And this is being confirmed here. Play this clip. The diplomatics speak. They had to be careful how they frame things. But there are sections that speak to each and every of the four themes that the presidency of this G20 has been putting on the agenda. It speaks about climate financing. It speaks about debt management. It speaks about disaster management. And it speaks about critical minerals. And the fact that all these leaders that are here, bar one, could agree on that. that's a significant consensus and i think now all we need to say is the proof is in the pudding it needs to be translated into actionable plans dr van hierden i do want to ask you do you think it might have been easier for them to reach consensus minus that one leader in the room absolutely we know what a disruptor trump can be he's wanting the limelight on him he was going to throw his toys out of the cot he was going to want to want to play golf and just take all the limelight onto him and away from the summit.
10:31And I think it's a blessing in disguise that he and his delegation was not here because it meant we could move quickly with speed and agree on very,
10:39Ben Meiselas:very fundamental things. Now, just take a look at the G20 family photos right here. Without Donald Trump, everybody looks happy. It's normal. You know, Donald Trump even got jealous when he found out how smooth it was going. And then we heard that perhaps they were going, that the U.S., they may send some liaison to show up at a hearing. Look, just freeze Trump out of this stuff. He doesn't need to be here at all. Let me show you how they're talking about it on Sky News over in the U.K. with Prime Minister Keir Starmer's arrival. Play this clip. Well, I think it's fair to say, Kamali, and good morning, that events not in South Africa, not at this G20 are really overtaking discussions here because President Trump has not attended the G20.
11:31He's boycotted it. He hasn't sent any US officials. He's not that into multi-lateralism and decision-making in these big summits, but he is driving through a peace deal for Ukraine that US officials have drawn up with Russia without Ukraine involvement. And there is a massive pushback at the moment with leaders here trying to come up with alternatives, trying to press the US, trying to insert more of Ukraine's demands into a deal that at the moment Ukraine are going to find very hard to accept. But President Trump is saying, take it or leave it and giving them a deadline. And there has been a statement overnight ahead of today's meetings.
12:16This is from the prime minister. He said today, UK's friends and partners will meet in the margins of the G20 summit to discuss how we can secure a full ceasefire and create space for meaningful negotiations.
12:30Ben Meiselas:Let's talk to you about how they're talking about this G20 summit with the absence of Donald Trump in Australia with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese attending. Here, play this clip right here. World leaders are gathering here in Johannesburg for this weekend's G20 Leaders Summit, the first to be held on African soil. Anthony Albanese touched down earlier, welcomed by an honour guard and traditional dancers. Now, this should be South Africa's big moment to showcase its economic and diplomatic potential. But it's been overshadowed in the lead up by the boycott of Donald Trump, The US president refusing to attend this weekend's summit over debunked claims that the South African government is violently persecuting white farmers.
13:19Up until today, the Trump administration was refusing to send any government officials. But South Africa's president, Cyril Ramaphosa, has indicated there has been a change of heart and the US now wants to participate in some form. For his part, Anthony Albanese insists this G20 summit is as relevant and important as ever. The G20 is such an important gathering. It's the most important gathering for which Australia is a member. It represents 85 % of the global economy, 75 % of global trade. It's important for us to engage because one in four of Australia's jobs depends upon trade. And it is important, therefore, that I represent Australia at forums like this, advancing Australia's economic interests and supporting Australian jobs.
14:13Ben Meiselas:Here's just, you know, Prime Minister Carney seeing Prime Minister of Care, Starmer, Sir Starmer of the UK. Let's take a look. I mean, like normal adult interactions. Here, play this clip. No, it's really good to have fun time, actually, because there's a lot going on, and you and I think alike, our countries work alike, and at moments like this, our history and our values help us negotiate the various issues that we've got to discuss. So, thank you for making time. I really appreciate it. I appreciate it. Not that we don't talk regularly anyway, but it's really good to have this opportunity. Yeah, no, it's great to have the moments face-to-face.
14:53We got a lot to catch up on from the important. Well, actually, I would say the essentials.
15:01Ben Meiselas:Here we have the foreign affairs minister of Canada, Anita Anand, responding to some questions. Let's play this clip. Can you just comment on whether it's been easier or more difficult to have this and other conversations here at the G20 without Donald Trump present or any Americans? So we are in a moment where the global trading order is becoming completely realigned and where the geopolitical environment is also volatile. This is a moment, therefore, where Canada is utilizing every opportunity, multilaterally and bilaterally, to ensure that our interests are asserted, not only in terms of our economic robustness domestically, but also in terms of our core values and the values that we will continue to stand.
15:58Ben Meiselas:Now look at these pictures just posted by world leaders. French President Emmanuel Macron posting, you know, his photos. And then he's doing a tour around Africa, meeting with world leaders throughout Africa as well. I mean, we see photos being posted with Anthony Albanese, photos with Modi, Prime Minister Modi in India. I mean, you see all these world leaders. There's Ursula von der Leyen with Kierre Starmer right here. She's the president of the European Union Commission right there. You've got Carney and Macron right there. Well, all of that's going on. What's going on in the United States?
16:40Ben Meiselas:Well, we learned that airlines have to cancel flights to Venezuela because it appears that the United States military action is imminent. We see that the fake ceasefire deal in Gaza, which was never a peace deal, despite the propaganda media in the United States trying to act like there was a peace deal when there was not a peace deal. That's officially fallen apart. Hamas says there is no ceasefire. And that was after the IDF killed at least 25 Palestinians yesterday and at least three children were killed. But I've said all, I mean, it's been, what, a hundred, two, I'm trying to even think of the number.
17:22Ben Meiselas:I mean, hundreds of Palestinians have been killed since this so-called ceasefire or the so-called peace deal was entered. And I was always like, from the beginning, I'm like, it's never a peace deal. Hamas and Israel were never signatories to this thing. Hamas never agreed to disarm. They asserted control right away. Netanyahu and Smutrich and Netanyahu's crew, they've never agreed to a two-state solution. They've never agreed to pull back settlements in the West Bank. They've never agreed to recognize a free Palestine. So I said, there is no deal at all. I'm glad that the hostages will return, but let's stop pretending this is something different than it actually is right here.
18:02Ben Meiselas:It's not at all. I mean, and just even look how unserious Donald Trump is right here. I mean, here Trump is yesterday, while you have all these world leaders who are out there, you know, who are out there at the G20 and they're going to be in Geneva today. They were in South Africa yesterday, Geneva today. And I'll get to that in a moment. Donald Trump's like, uh, first off, what the hell is Trump wearing? Then he's like, I got to golf. I'm golfing today. It's exactly what Van Der Heen said. Why would he want to deal with a guy just talking about like golfing, like just an unserious human being?
18:36Ben Meiselas:Here, play this clip.
18:53Ben Meiselas:Now, I mentioned before this, the meeting in Geneva today of the coalition of the willing, the European allies of Ukraine. So basically all of Europe without Viktor Orban, and Slovakia who are still pro-Putin, but everybody else who's got the back of Zelensky. And this follows Donald Trump laundering the Russian 28-point plan that Kirill Dmitriev, Russia's sovereign wealth fund leader and special envoy to the U.S., came up with with Steve Whitcoff for the surrender of Ukraine. Ukraine, give away all of your Eastern territory. Stop building up your military. You can never join NATO. And all that territory is recognized as Russian.
19:46Ben Meiselas:It's literally everything that Russians maximalist demands always wanted from the outset. It seems that the United States just put the Russian plan through Google Translate. I'm not making that up. It seems like they put it through Google Translate. And then they said that that's their, that that's going to be the plan right there. And Zelensky's like, no. So that meeting's taking place in Geneva. And Zelensky talks about in the coming days, he's meeting with the Coalition of the Willing in Europe and others. And also we've got a statement that came out from pretty much all of the allies of Ukraine that was very strong and very powerful in pushing back against the Trump regime.
20:27Ben Meiselas:And the message just basically said, we stand in solidarity with Ukraine. Any decision about Ukraine's territory comes from Ukraine, and we can never allow Russia to take over this land and take over this territory. So you have that happening as well. I'll just show you this clip too. This was Donald Trump saying that, confirming that the offer, the surrender deal comes from the United States. Here, play this clip.
20:58Is this your final offer to Ukraine? No. I would like to get the peace. It should have happened a long time ago. The Ukraine war with Russia should have never happened. If I were president, it never would have happened. We're trying to get it ended. One way or the other, we have to get it ended. So, go ahead.
21:24That he can continue to fight his little heart out.
21:29Ben Meiselas:Right, and so we know that that was translated from Russia into the United States. So utterly despicable. Here's that full statement from the world leaders. We welcome the continued U.S. efforts. The initial draft of the 28-point plan includes important elements. We believe, therefore, that the draft is a basis which will require additional work. We are ready to engage in order to ensure that a future peace is sustainable. We are clear on the principle that borders must not be changed by force. We are also concerned by the proposed limitations on Ukraine's armed forces, which would leave Ukraine vulnerable to future attack.
22:03Ben Meiselas:We reiterate that the implementation of elements relating to the European Union and relating to NATO would need consent of EU and NATO members, respectively. We take this opportunity to underline the strength of our continued support to Ukraine. We will continue to coordinate closely with Ukraine and the U.S. over the coming days. UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Canada, Poland, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Spain, and others were involved in that letter right there. So very powerful stuff right there. So you have a successful G20 taking place right now in South Africa. No U.S. there, but the world leaders are very happy right now, meeting with each other, having normalcy.
22:50Ben Meiselas:And meanwhile, you have our Commerce Department and others in the Trump regime. Here's the Commerce Department acknowledging that the Commerce Department's authorizing those Blackwell NVIDIA chips, some of our most prized national secrets going to Saudi Arabia, who Donald Trump's family does business with. Saudi Arabia gets that. Remember the big deal that people were making, like, we cannot give the Blackwell chip to China. If we give it to China, it's going to be the end of the United States. Remember that two weeks ago? Well, they gave it to Saudi Arabia, who can then give it to China. And don't give me the, well, we'll put controls.
23:33Ben Meiselas:We'll make sure Saudi Arabia doesn't give those black wells to Saudi Arabia. We'll make sure Saudi Arabia doesn't give those black wells to China. Trust us. We're a very competent regime. Really, you want us to trust the Trump. First off, it shouldn't be given to the Saudis in the first place, the black well chips. But then we want to trust this regime that it's not going to find its way into China, really. the regime that sent Lindsay Halligan, okay, the flunky lawyer who's never been a federal prosecutor to lead the Comey case, and she didn't even know how to even talk to a grand jury. This is the people who are going to be guarding that these Blackwell chips don't find their way to China and to Russia.
24:17Ben Meiselas:All why? Because Donald Trump wants his personal family to do deals with Saudi Arabia. Why? I don't know that. I mean, you tell me why you think. I'm asking the question. You tell me what you think is going on here. Despicable. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. Thanks for watching.
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