Yikes! Trump Gets Buried With Smoking Guns on Dark Past

21 Jul 2025 · 23 min · 6 chapters

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The episode argues that Donald Trump’s “dark past” is being resurfaced through “smoking gun” allegations tied to Jeffrey Epstein, and criticizes media for ignoring victims. Guests named are Beatrice Kuhl, Stacey Williams, and Maria Farmer. Stacey Williams, a former Sports Illustrated model, claims Trump groped her in Trump Tower in 1993 while Epstein watched and smiled; she says Epstein berated her afterward and that she received a Trump postcard soon after. Beatrice Kuhl, a Miss Switzerland runner-up, says she was invited to Trump’s 1993 American Dream pageant, then Trump assaulted her in his suite and Epstein was present. Maria Farmer, an Epstein victim, alleges Trump entered Epstein’s office at 9 p.m. while Epstein told him she wasn’t for him. Notable examples include a 2019 clip of protest reaction to Epstein/Trump imagery and Michael Wolff’s claim Trump was Epstein’s most implicated associate.

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Stacey Williams' Story

0:45 to 4:24

Stacey Williams shares her experience as Trump's 27th sexual assault victim.

“Deborah Epstein walked me into his office to be sexually assaulted by him.”

Beatrice Kuhl's Experience

4:24 to 6:38

Beatrice Kuhl recounts her assault by Trump at a beauty pageant in 1993.

“And she also said Trump was working with Jeffrey Epstein to recruit young women for his parties.”

Clips and Connections

6:38 to 9:38

Discussion of clips that highlight similar patterns in Trump's behavior.

“So why is she coming forward now, just days before the election?”

Maria Farmer's Encounter

9:44 to 14:03

Maria Farmer shares her unsettling encounter with Trump while working for Epstein.

“It was like, hey, man, I got a pageant down here.”

Trump and Epstein: Unraveling Connections

14:03 to 16:42

Explore the troubling connections between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

“And so Trump at nine o 'clock at night goes in the other room.”

MAGA Influencers and Hypocrisy

16:42 to 19:00

Discuss the contradictions of MAGA influencers regarding morality and accountability.

“Now, Donald Trump's biographer and Jeffrey Epstein's potential biographer, Michael Wolff, he was recently on speaking with Michael Cohen on the Midas Touch Network.”
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0:00Ben Meiselas:Beatrice Kuhl, Stacey Williams, Maria Farmer. I could go on. Over 28 victims of Donald Trump have come forward over the years, and now what they went through at the hands of Donald Trump, it's resurfacing right now, and these stories need to be given the attention they've always deserved. First, I want to share with you the story right here of Stacey Williams. This is what she had to say in February 2025. Let's watch as she describes being Donald Trump's 27th sexual assault victim. Let's play this clip. I'm considered number 27. I'm Donald Trump's 27th sexual assault victim. When I was doing Sports Illustrated, that's when he assaulted me.

0:46Deborah Epstein walked me into his office to be sexually assaulted by him.

0:49Ben Meiselas:Now, back on October 24th, 2024. She told her story. Lots of media was ignoring it. We covered it here. It definitely deserved more attention than it got. But this was October 24th of 2024. I want you to watch it. Play this clip. The second he was in front of me, he pulled me into him and his hands were just on me and didn't come off. Former Sports Illustrated model Stacey Williams says that Donald Trump groped her more than 30 years ago in Trump Tower, with the later convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein watching and smiling in the room as it happened. Then the hands started moving and they were on the side of my breasts, on my hips, back down to my butt, back up, sort of then, you know, they were just on me the whole time.

1:44And I, uh, sorry. I froze. Williams has not spoken out about the incident extensively until now. And in her first on-camera interview, she tells CNN the most detailed accounting of the incident yet, alleging that in 1993, Epstein, who she was briefly dating at the time, brought her into Trump Tower. This context made no sense because the hands were on me and then he and Jeffrey just kept talking and like looking at each other and smiling. After leaving Trump Tower, Williams said that Epstein berated her for allowing Trump to touch her. I just had this really like sickening feeling that it was coordinated, that somehow the whole thing was, I was rolled in there like a piece of meat for some kind of weird twisted game.

2:34Soon after the encounter, she severed ties with Epstein and said she was unaware of the kind of predatory behavior that would come to light in later years. She also says she received this undated postcard from Trump delivered to her modeling agency by courier shortly after the incident. Stacy, your home away from home, love, Donald. I felt sick to my stomach. Williams says she did not tell anyone about the incident for over 10 years. I felt a wave of shame and I just couldn't think about it, face it, talk about it for a very long time. I put it in a little box inside of me, turned the key, locked it.

3:12CNN has spoken to three friends of Williams to corroborate her story, who each said that she told them about the incident with Trump and Epstein in 2006, 2015 and 16.

3:23Ben Meiselas:Now, I've seen this meme going around right now of Pam Bondi Scooby Doo ultimately unmasking the bad guy. And it turns out, sure enough, of course it is Donald Trump. I do want to give a hot tip, though, to the Daily Mail's reporting last year in 2024, because they covered the story of Beatrice Kuhl. Beatrice was an individual who says that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her. She talks about how she received an invitation from Donald Trump's American Dream pageant to compete in 1993 after finishing as runner-up in Miss Switzerland's 1992 pageant. I want you to watch this and you can see for yourself.

4:09Ben Meiselas:Let's play it. I'm a Daily Mail reporter and I've got some breaking news for you. Donald Trump jumped on a blonde six foot one model and groped her while she tried to fight him off at a beauty pageant in 1993. That's what the woman just told me. And she also said Trump was working with Jeffrey Epstein to recruit young women for his parties. So I'm a reporter for the Daily Mail. I just published a story about all of this. The woman is called Beatrice Curl. She was 22 years old when she got invited to the Donald J. Trump American Dream pageant, which was held in New York and Atlantic City in November 1993.

4:49She flew from Zurich and was introduced to Trump, along with around 50 other young female contestants. Beatrice told me Trump paid her special attention at a press event for the pageant, telling her, we finally meet Miss Curl, and talking for about 15 minutes with her. Beatrice said after the public event, a Trump staffer told her that the real estate magnate wanted to meet her up at his suite. And she claimed that as soon as she entered the room, Trump jumped on her, tried to lift her dress and was touching her body everywhere he could. I entered the suite and looked around. And when I turned, there was certainly no time.

5:33He jumped on me, kissed me all over, grabbed me all over. And I was totally perplexed and blocked first. And then I tried to tell him that this is absolutely not the way it works in Europe. And that it's normal one thing. She was trying to fight him off, she said, and he only stopped when she told him, let's talk first. So they talked for another few minutes, with Trump still kissing and holding her hand, before she found an excuse to leave, Beatrice told me. And there's another really worrying part to this story too. Beatrice said that Jeffrey Epstein was at the pageant. Yes, that's late paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

6:17She said he was insistent to her and to other women, offering to pay their expenses to attend parties at Mar-a-Lago, which Epstein said he was organising with Don. A friend of Beatrice who works in Swiss media, Pascal Klaivas, told me that Curl described the incident to him two decades ago and has not changed her story. So why is she coming forward now, just days before the election? Well, Beatrice told me she gained confidence to speak out now after recently finding supporting documents like her 1993 flight tickets and her invite to the pageant while she was moving house.

6:53Ben Meiselas:Now, as you watch that again, compare it to this other clip right here of Stacey Williams. And you can see that this is Donald Trump's MO. Here, play this other clip of Stacey Williams. Let's play it. When Jeffrey looked at me and said, you know, let's go stop by and see Trump. And so we went to Trump Tower and went up the elevator. and moments later Trump was greeting us and he pulled me into him and started groping me. He put his hands all over my breasts,

7:36my waist, my butt, and I froze. And I froze because I was so deeply.

7:46Ben Meiselas:Now, I shared this other clip right here of two live crews, Luther Campbell, aka Uncle Luke, who talks about in the early 90s when Donald Trump invited him and Mike Tyson and Eddie Murphy to go to Donald Trump's house right after one of these beauty pageants. and he talks about how he was so uncomfortable seeing underage girls there and he had to leave here play this clip so a quick psa for those of you on medicare the doj recently sued three of the largest medicare brokers and carriers for allegedly deceiving customers claiming to be unbiased while pushing them into plans that don't actually cover their needs all to make a few extra Let's be real.

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10:05We drive up there. Me, Mike, Eddie Murphy, we all in our own individual cars. Car service drove us up there. We got there. He showed us around the house, you know, told us about this mansion and the history behind it and all that, just the golf course. It was dark. We couldn't see the golf course and things like that. And then before you know it, hey, man, y 'all enjoy yourself. We got cocktails and everything. And before you know it, the rooms and everything start popping. There wasn't no DJ. It was more of, hey, get in where you fit in. Whatever room you're going to go in, you go into that room.

10:43So you say no DJ. There was no music? No, there wasn't no music. No music. That's the interesting part about it. There wasn't no music. so women just naked in rooms with no music hey people walk around it ain't it wasn't listen when i was out it wasn't the room that i was happy to be at that party but then at the end of the day when i when i started looking at so many girls faces i was like man these girls don't look like they're old enough i didn't ask nobody their age and then all the other stuff going on, you know, it was like, okay, I can't be up in here. I got to go. If I'm going to jail, then somebody's going to extort me.

11:25I really, you know, I don't do drugs, never did it in my life. You know, I smoked marijuana two times, you know, when I was in high school, and I didn't like the experience. As far as drugs, I may have sold drugs. I never liked the people who I sold them to when I was young. Because I thought they were stupid for buying it. So I never cared to indulge in it. So when I do see people doing it, if I'm around it, I get away from it.

11:57Ben Meiselas:Put it that way. Now, we've also heard the story recently of Maria Farmer, one of Epstein's victims who came forward very early on. Here she speaks about an incident where she was going to Epstein's office building. Donald Trump was in the office building. And listen to her what happened. Play this clip. The time that is most memorable to me is the time when he hit on me because I was in the office. It was one of the first times I started working for Donald Trump's a sleazebag. Yes. It was when I started working for Epstein and it was nine o 'clock at night. And Jeffrey Epstein's office was totally empty.

12:37I told the New York Times this, but of course they don't do the whole thing. right even though mike baker is amazing but they would they would not allow him to tell the truth so basically i go into this office it's nine o 'clock at night and i sit down and a few minutes later and i'm wearing running clothes okay so it was really weird it's nine o 'clock at night and i'm wearing running clothes because i didn't have money so i did jog up there right and so i just struggled you know for so long so i'm like up there in the office seated and i've got my um you know, my running clothes on. So my legs are showing and in walks this man that when I called, when I reported him to the FBI said that game show host, Donald Trump, cause I play with the game show host, he's so cheesy, you know?

13:24But anyway, so I said, I mean, I said hello to, you know, he walks in and I just kind of acknowledged him like a head nod or something and he immediately starts he's seated across i mean standing across the room from me and i'm seating seated and he's like oh maria um i mean no he didn't sorry i was just looking at something he uh he's standing across the room and he's looking at me and i'm like oh gross you know this guy's so gross anyway he's just looking glaring at my legs like yum i felt i told my sister i felt like i was his dinner or his lunch you know yeah the way he was looking at me so epstein comes in and that's and by the way i did not look good i was like not a pretty i'm not exceptionally beautiful or anything like that these are just gross people you know what i mean so i'm just like a normal person who went on a run and i'm seated there so he assumed i was there for him and this is how i know epstein walks up to him and goes no no she's not here for you And they were smirking and Epstein whispered something.

14:25He goes, go in there. And so Trump at nine o 'clock at night goes in the other room. There's someone in there for him.

14:33Ben Meiselas:Right, right. I don't know who. But Epstein said, no, no, no, she's not here for you. Now, I think this clip right here needs to get some renewed attention as well. This is from 2019 at one of Donald Trump's events. And I want you to watch right here as Claude Taylor says, why do you suppose a guy holding up a picture of Epstein and Donald Trump got this reaction? Here, let's play it. Because you have to mark up thousands of miles coming through Mexico. You come up thousands of miles coming through Mexico and we're gonna stop it. Get them out of here. Get them out of here.

15:22Go home to your mom, darling. Go home.

15:32Get them out of here. Out.

15:39Thank you.

16:21Was that a man or a woman? Because he needs a haircut more than I do. Couldn't tell. Couldn't tell.

16:32I couldn't tell. Needs a haircut. But the media never talks about the American victims.

16:42Ben Meiselas:Now, Donald Trump's biographer and Jeffrey Epstein's potential biographer, Michael Wolff, he was recently on speaking with Michael Cohen on the Midas Touch Network. And here's what he said. I mean, first, I don't exactly know what it means, but I know what is at issue here is that the person most implicated by Jeffrey Epstein, by his relationship to Jeffrey Epstein is Donald Trump. I mean, forget everybody else in what acquaintance they might have had with him. Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were the best of friends. Daily contact, constantly in each other's lives, sharing, hunting women, sharing women, cheating on their taxes together for more than a decade.

17:34So that is the central issue here. So how the MAGA people got this so wrong, as they kept saying, Epstein, Epstein, let us divulge everything, let's see everything, when what they would see is the relationship between Epstein and the president of the United States. their central figure in their lives and political movement.

18:09Ben Meiselas:One of the things, too, with these MAGA influencers also, like this guy, Bo Ludin, you know, he's out there and he posted this. Yes, he posted two days ago. He posted this July 19th and he wrote, I just quoted the Bible live on Fox News. Thou shall not commit adultery. And in his photo, it's literally him and Donald Trump here. Watch this. I simply follow the Bible. I think this generation is destroyed. I like Exodus 2014, which says, thou shalt not commit adultery. You know, I just, I think this generation is way too normalizing this stuff, but I'm glad that these people have been caught and exposed for it.

18:47And, you know, I hope they realize next time that God's watching and sometimes the kiss cam is too.

18:54Ben Meiselas:Seriously? That's what you're talking about on Fox? I mean, these MAGA influencers, man. Anyway, hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers together.

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