Zelenskyy Kills Trump’s Plan and Strikes Back

1 Dec 2025 · 21 min · 10 chapters

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Zelenskyy counters a reported Trump/Russia “surrender” peace effort by sending Ukraine’s delegation to Miami to confront envoy Witkoff, with claims that the talks are about selling out NATO/Ukraine for business deals; Zelensky also coordinates with NATO and warns Russia will exploit mistakes.

Guests (named in transcript)

None. The episode references “John Jackson” (commentator) and quotes U.S. figures (e.g., Mark Rutte, Rubio, Kushner, Whitkoff) plus U.S. lawmakers Don Bacon and Mike Turner, but no podcast guests are clearly identified.

Key claims

Whitkoff/Kushner met Russian proxies in Miami to launder a “28-point” surrender plan; intelligence services have more “dirt” on Whitkoff; Ukraine’s delegation will continue Geneva-based diplomacy; Russia is the “bad guy” and peace must preserve sovereignty and Western alignment.

Notable examples

Miami meeting footage (Witkoff “defeated,” Rubio/Kushner “sheepish”); Zelensky messages about Geneva points and NATO coordination; clips of Bacon/Turner criticizing Whitkoff and urging weapons/air defenses; Kiev civilian drone/missile targeting videos.

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Zelenskyy Challenges Trump’s Surrender Plan

0:05 to 0:30

Discussing Zelenskyy's response to Trump's alleged plans for Ukraine.

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Zelenskyy Challenges Trump’s Surrender Plan

1:12 to 1:41

Discussing Zelenskyy's response to Trump's alleged plans for Ukraine.

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Zelenskyy Challenges Trump’s Surrender Plan

2:16 to 3:05

Discussing Zelenskyy's response to Trump's alleged plans for Ukraine.

“If you want peace, let's start with a ceasefire and let's do a real peace, not this Russian BS.”

The Dynamics of the Miami Meeting

3:05 to 6:42

Analysis of the meeting in Miami between Ukrainian delegation and Trump’s allies.

“So Zelensky sends his Ukrainian delegation to Miami to meet with Whitcoff, Donald Trump's envoy to Russia, the main guy trying to sell out Zelensky.”

Zelenskyy's Strategic Messaging

6:42 to 9:48

Zelenskyy’s communications following the Miami meeting and its implications.

“The Ukrainian delegation should already be in the United States by this evening, U.S.”

Rubio’s Shift in Tone on Ukraine

12:14 to 14:00

Exploring Marco Rubio’s change in rhetoric around Ukraine post-meeting.

“It takes a very different tune because one of the things that Ukraine's been doing great is also there's already a wedge, by the way, between Rubio and Whitcoff.”

Understanding the Complexities of Ukraine

14:00 to 16:41

Discussion on the complexities surrounding Ukraine's situation and U.S. policies.

“There are a lot of moving parts, and obviously there's another party involved here that will have to be a part of the equation.”

Congress Members Speak Out Against Trump's Approach

16:41 to 18:39

Republican Congress members criticize Trump's policies regarding Ukraine.

“But, you know, one thing that I think everybody understands is that you can't have you can't be America first and pro-Russia, because Russia is a self-declared adversary of the United States.”

Civilians Under Siege in Ukraine

18:39 to 19:25

Highlighting the ongoing civilian suffering in Ukraine amidst the conflict.

“Also, hat tip to Olga Nesterova, who does a very good job aggregating these clips and covering all things Ukraine.”

Civilians Under Siege in Ukraine

20:39 to 21:33

Highlighting the ongoing civilian suffering in Ukraine amidst the conflict.

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2:15Ben Meiselas:Ukrainian President Zelensky just said, Donald Trump, checkmate. So after Ukraine and its European allies exposed the Trump regime for laundering that Russian 28 point plan for surrender and trying to force it on Ukraine and Ukraine said, absolutely not respect our sovereignty rejected. If you want peace, let's start with a ceasefire and let's do a real peace, not this Russian BS. So what Zelensky did is he said, well, Whitcoff and Rubio and Kushner, if you're meeting with the Russian proxies in Miami to launder surrender plans against us, you know what we're going to do? We're going to send the Ukrainian delegation where?

2:58Ben Meiselas:To Miami. And let's do the meeting in the same spot where you tried to sell us out. We're sending the Ukrainian delegation there. So Zelensky sends his Ukrainian delegation to Miami to meet with Whitcoff, Donald Trump's envoy to Russia, the main guy trying to sell out Zelensky. You had Kushner and you had Rubio there. Now, just take a look right here at Whitcoff's face at this meeting in Miami that took place over this weekend. He looked like a defeated man who had been caught and exposed. Just take a look at him there. His head was down the entire time. He was fidgeting with his tie. Take a look at Marco Rubio as he knew.

3:41Ben Meiselas:He could even look at the Ukrainian delegation at first because he knew that they caught the Americans betraying them. Take a look at Kushner, who's probably just thinking, now how can I make money off this? How do I get even richer off of this? Take a look at this scene right here. You see the Ukrainian delegation sitting across from Witkoff and Rubio and Kushner right there. You see the Ukrainian delegation, strong, powerful, supremely confident. You see how sheepish and weak Trump stooges are sitting there. Now, let me just show you right here, but I like how John Jackson discusses this. He goes, I've dealt with a lot of bad, guilty people in my life.

4:22Ben Meiselas:Whitcoff looks like a guy who got exposed in front of the whole world. I love this for him. I bet he looks great in orange and And there's certainly more recordings out there. Enjoy. Watch what happens during this meeting in Miami on Sunday between the Ukrainian delegation and Trump's stooges who were there. Here, play this clip. There, but the progress throughout the week as we've been communicating, the end goal is obviously not just the end of the war. Obviously, that's essential and fundamental. We want to see the end of the killing and the death and the suffering. And I'm sure the Ukrainian side, I know they do as well.

4:56They want peace. But it's also about securing an end to the war that leaves Ukraine sovereign and independent and with an opportunity at real prosperity. So this is not just about ending a war. This is about ending a war in a way that creates a mechanism and a way forward that will allow them to be independent and sovereign, never have another war again, and create tremendous prosperity for its people. Not just rebuild the country, but to enter an era of extraordinary economic progress. It's a country with Ukraine has tremendous economic potential. Ukraine has tremendous opportunity for true prosperity.

5:30Obviously, you can't do that in the middle of a war like this, but ending the war alone won't achieve that. So this is not just about peace deals. It's about creating a pathway forward that leaves Ukraine sovereign, independent and prosperous. And so we expect to make even more progress today. And and we're grateful that you travel all the way here to Florida. We apologize for the rain. It's not supposed to be raining, but there's only certain things we can control. So thank you.

5:54Ben Meiselas:And I think a point that John Jackson says that isn't getting enough attention, whichever intelligence service, whether it was Ukrainian or European, that got those phone calls that did that wiretap between Whitcoff and the Russian proxies, whether it was with Dmitriev and the other Russian proxy, there's a lot more where those tapes come from right there. And you know that the intelligence services are sitting on a lot of dirt on Witkoff right now. And I think Witkoff is probably wondering, what else do they have on me? What are their phone calls? What are their emails? What are their messages?

6:35Ben Meiselas:They have it all, Witkoff. They have it all. Now, following the meeting that I just showed you right there, Zelensky put out the following message. The Ukrainian delegation should already be in the United States by this evening, U.S. time. The dialogue based on the Geneva points will continue. Diplomacy remains active. The American side is demonstrating a constructive approach. And in the coming days, it is feasible to flesh out the steps to determine how to bring the war to a dignified end. The Ukrainian delegation has the necessary directives. And I expect the guys to work in accordance with clear Ukrainian priorities.

7:11Ben Meiselas:Then after the meeting took place, Zelensky posted the following. Russia is eager for Ukraine to make mistakes. We won't make any. Our work goes on. Our struggle goes on. We have no right to fall short, no right to retreat or turn on one another. If we lose our unity, we risk losing everything, ourselves, Ukraine, and our future. We must stand together. We must hold our ground. There is no other choice. There will never be another Ukraine. We defend Ukraine. Glory to Ukraine. Now, right before that meeting in Miami between the Ukrainian delegation and Whitcoff, Rubio and Kushner, the Wall Street Journal was out with another report called Make Money, Not War.

7:57Ben Meiselas:Trump's real plan for peace in Ukraine or betrayal of Ukraine. The Kremlin pitched the White House on peace through business. In other words, sell out NATO, sell out Ukraine and Donald, maybe Russia will make you and your family richer. To Europe's dismay, the president and his envoy were on board. Let me just share with you how this article starts right here. For the Kremlin, the Miami talks between the Russians and Witkoff and Kushner were the culmination of a strategy hatched before Trump's inauguration to bypass the traditional U.S. national security apparatus and convince the administration to view Russia not as a military threat, but as a land of bountiful opportunity, according to Western security officials, by dangling multi-billion dollar rare earth and energy deals, Moscow could reshape the economic map of Europe while driving a wedge between America and its traditional allies.

8:58Ben Meiselas:So Putin promised, oh, we've got trillions of dollars for you, Donald, and we'll make you even richer. And then Putin said, and why don't we help with some propaganda initiatives? We can go to the moon together, Donald. We can build on the moon together. Wouldn't you like that? Now, so after the meeting, right around when that meeting's taking place in Miami between the Ukrainian delegation and Trump's stooges, you have Zelensky put out the following message as well. I spoke with Mark Rutt, Secretary General of NATO. We'll continue our conversations in the coming days. These are important days and much can change.

9:35Ben Meiselas:We are coordinating closely and in our efforts and in the efforts of all of our partners, it is our joint measures and shared positions that will be extremely effective. Mark, thank you for your support. In other words, you have a multi-pronged effort right here where Zelensky sends his delegation to go to Miami. It's symbolic as well. That's where you try to betray us, Donald? Okay, we're going to assert our moral and formal and international authority. Where? In Miami. Whitcoff, show up, man up, look at us eye to eye and Wickham's like, I'm not sure what to do. Rubio, look us in the eye. Kushner, whatever the hell you're going to do, you were selling us out as well.

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12:14Ben Meiselas:So then after that meeting took place, notice that Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, It takes a very different tune because one of the things that Ukraine's been doing great is also there's already a wedge, by the way, between Rubio and Whitcoff. Whitcoff did this 28-point Russian plan behind the back of Rubio. Not to suggest that Rubio isn't complicit, but that was behind the back of Rubio. So Whitcoff and Kushner did that with the Russians in Miami. Rubio found out about it later. Rubio tried to try to fix what Wittkopf did basically after destroying, you know, any shred of whatever America may have left with its allies, which is basically nothing.

12:58Ben Meiselas:So then Rubio goes out and now Rubio talks about this meeting. Now watch how Rubio changes the tune on Ukraine. Play this clip. All right. And I apologize because I'm pressed for time. I think we both are, but I just wanted to update you. We had another very productive session building off Geneva, building off the events of this week. As I told you earlier this morning, our goal here is to end the war, but it's more than just to end the war. We don't just want to end the war. We also want to help Ukraine be safe forever, so never again will they face another invasion. And equally importantly, we want them to enter an age of true prosperity.

13:34We want the Ukrainian people to emerge from this war, not just to rebuild their country, but to build it back in a way that will be stronger and more prosperous than it's ever been. And so this is comprehensive, what we're working on here today. It's not just about the terms that ends fighting. It's about also the terms that set up Ukraine for long-term prosperity. I thought we started laying the groundwork for that, most certainly in Geneva. I think we continue that work in our communications throughout the week. I think we've built on that again today, but there's more work to be done. This is delicate.

14:01It's complicated. There are a lot of moving parts, and obviously there's another party involved here that will have to be a part of the equation. And that will continue later this week when Mr. Woodcock travels to Moscow, although we've also been in touch in varying degrees with the Russian side, but we have a pretty good understanding of their views as well. So much work remains, but today was again a very productive and useful session.

14:24Ben Meiselas:And then what we saw on the weekend shows is that some of the Republican leaders in the House and in the Senate, but also in the House and the Senate, like Republican Congress member Mike Turner, Republican Congress member Don Bacon, They were on the weekend shows and they were basically speaking out against Whitcoff, speaking out against the Trump regime's policies against our policies relating to Ukraine. So here is a Republican Congress member Don Bacon. Here's what he had to say. Play this clip. And we heard this week from Vladimir Putin saying that it would be pointless. That was his word.

15:07At least that was the translation of his word. It would be pointless to make a peace agreement with Ukraine because Zelensky's government lacks legitimacy. I mean, where could this go?

15:22Again, we need moral clarity dealing with Putin. He does not want a peace agreement with Ukraine that leaves Ukraine a sovereign country that can be allied with the West, that can be part of the EU and free markets. He wants to control another third of Ukraine. He would like to make Ukraine a vassal state. So I don't know why the administration keeps pursuing the pointless here. But yet we see the Wall Street Journal that there's evidence it's all about trying to make agreements on rare earth minerals and natural gas pipelines and things like that. of which Ukraine has no part of in this. And so Putin does not want peace.

16:01The president should see it. And therefore, we should be focused on giving high end weapons, accurate weapons to Ukraine, long range, accurate weapons, also air defenses that help protect their cities that are being bombed every single night. We need a little more Ronald Reagan here, as you mentioned his name, when he called the Soviet Union an evil empire. This president also needs to see the evil intentions of Putin, but he's he needs to call it out and and see it for what he is.

16:30Ben Meiselas:And here is what Republican Congress member Mike Turner had to say about whether Whitcoff should continue to serve as a U.S. negotiator in Ukraine. Let's play this clip right here. But, you know, one thing that I think everybody understands is that you can't have you can't be America first and pro-Russia, because Russia is a self-declared adversary of the United States. It's fielding new advanced nuclear weapons that are specifically targeting the United States. It's constantly attacking the United States with offensive cyber. It continuously identifies both NATO and the West, the United States as its adversary.

17:15So in this, and of course, when it identifies Ukraine as its adversary, it does so in identifying the West and the United States as its adversary. You have to understand that the balance of this peace arrangement has to be one where you have to look at Russia as a skeptical adversary.

17:33Ben Meiselas:And while all of this is taking place, What I don't want to ever forget is the terrorism being committed by the Russians on a daily basis against innocent Ukrainians. I don't want to forget the torture and the killing of innocent civilians that Russia is engaged in every damn day in Ukraine. This isn't a both sides issue, okay? We need to stand behind Ukraine and recognize that Russia is the bad guy. This should be very simple. As you heard some of those Congress members even say, Russia is a sworn enemy of the United States. So wake the hell up Trump regime, because you're selling out the United States to an enemy of the United States in Putin.

18:18Ben Meiselas:But I want you to watch this before we go. This is a family in Kiev sharing the same sounding videos every damn night. They share a video like this because civilians are being targeted while Russia conducts its human safari hunting of civilians with drones and ballistic missiles in this and other parts of the country. Also, hat tip to Olga Nesterova, who does a very good job aggregating these clips and covering all things Ukraine. Here, play this clip.

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s getting outmaneuvered by Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in Miami after Zelenskyy uncovered Trump’s plan to try and force a surrender to Russia.

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