Final Mock Draft with Domonique Foxworth & Kevin Clark: Part 1

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0:42Welcome to the Munich Heim Show featuring Lenny, featuring Dominique Foxworth, featuring Kevin Clark. Don't forget about Jack. Featuring Jack. only nfl podcast one of the hosts thinks best player available is anyone who's willing to play fetch with him that's lenny he's not here i'm so sorry i know um i guess kevin did you think about bringing lenny no not for a second but now i am um we're doing something super fun today in advance of course of the nfl draft it's i guess a little bit obvious judging by what we've got on stage but we are doing a draft this is going to be our final mock draft of the season um real quick note we're doing it all here live we're on youtube but the audio audience we're going to do the first 10 picks at the mina kheim show for the next uh 10 picks or so go to dominique foxworth podcast and then for the final 10 picks go to kevin clark i realize there's 32 picks so i don't know how it's going to add up right now i like this deal we'll give kevin a couple bonus picks you got Great.

1:45I'm in. And so we are going to – we have not discussed this beforehand, so we have no idea somebody could go completely rogue here and throw off everyone's boards. We have the first pick. You have the first pick, so you could really – I know. You could really turn this – The first pick of the NFL draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers trade up – no, I'm just kidding. I'm not doing that. Oh, y 'all want them to. We will get there. So, yeah, this is going to be also what we would do as opposed to what we think is going to happen. So this is not us predicting the draft. It is a mock draft of desire. So I will...

2:23What? This is a lot sexier than I think. I don't think Fox wrote that I got that note. A mock draft of desire. That sounds like a really low-selling romance novel. I was going to say, it sounds like a Hallmark movie. Jeremiah Love in a mock draft of desire. All right, so I have the first pick. Dominique has a second pick, Kevin has a third, and then we're just gonna repeat that. It's not gonna be a snake. I am the Las Vegas Raiders, and with the first pick of the Meenikheim show featuring Dominique Foxworth, featuring Kevin Clark, mock draft, I'm just gonna take Fernando Mendoza. Oh! I forgot we had the chime.

3:10We paid a lot of money for that noise. Don't sue us. Yeah, so anyone who's here who, is there anyone here who's been watching, I do these war room mock drafts, and thank you very much. I see you. I've been trying to give my guests a choice, right? Because you all know for every draft, I do a choice between two things. And it's been hard with Mendoza because as we all know, this is a one quarterback. We'll see if another one comes up in our first round draft. And the Raiders have made it very clear They're going to take Fernando Mendoza. There's no mystery. The choice I have been giving them, guys, and I want to hear your thoughts on this because I do think this is the only way to make it interesting is, start with you, Dominique.

3:53If you were John Spitek, the GM of the Raiders in Arizona, picking at three, called you and said, we're going to give you pick three so you're barely falling, and you're going to get a boatload of picks our first next year, first after that, would you do it knowing all of the buzz around next year's draft when it comes to quarterbacks? I wouldn't do it. I think that there's a thing called getting too cute. You have the number one pick right now. It's not a fun experience where you have to be really bad to get that pick. You have it now. I'm not sure that you want to get in a situation where you're rolling the dice to try to get it later.

4:32I think one of the few things that could make a team look really bad in this situation is if you trade out of one of these special quarterbacks. And it's hard to tell who those quarterbacks are. We get it wrong all the time. So for whatever reason, you're at the top of the draft right now in a one quarterback draft. I would, of course, I would entertain whatever trades they offered. But I think more than likely you stick with Fernando Mendoza. I would do it. I would trade. You would take the trade? Yeah, I would take the trade. Wow. Really? Nobody's taking it. Daniel Jeremiah said no. Todd McShay said no.

5:04But Kevin Clark has taken it. Oh, a couple things about it. So if you were to stack up the last five years of quarterback prospects, Mendoza wouldn't be that high. Right? Daniel Jeremiah has talked about this a lot, where he'd definitely be behind the Drake May, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams sort of block there. He'd probably be behind Cam Ward. He's more in line, according to the guys who watch the tape more, with the bonuses of the world. And I just think because of the supply and demand, he goes first overall, that's just how the league works. But I would roll it over a year. You signed guys, you have Kirk Cousins, or you can get 22-year-old Kirk Cousins with the first overall pick.

5:42It's fine. But I think that there's a better team-building avenue towards getting the Cardinals' pace. Let the Cardinals be the geniuses here. I'm so excited for Fernando Mendoza and Kirk Cousins to be in a room together in Vegas. Do you think they've already connected on LinkedIn, or they're going to wait until they meet? Are they going to go to the buffet at the Excalibur? Or what themed Vegas restaurant are they going to be all into? Hmm. I feel like they give me Paris. Paris? I feel like I could see them. I think they painted the sky at the roof. I got Mendoza in a beret with a baguette walking around the inside of Paris having a little wine.

6:28I would take Mendoza. I took Mendoza. I am higher on him than I think sounds like you. But I understand that's a lot to give up. And we don't think the Cardinals are going to be very good, so it's going to be a good draft pick next year. But I would stick in pick. The next year scares me at this point, right? I mean, next year's going to be better. How many times have you heard that? All right, that's enough on pick one. It's not that interesting. Dominique, you have pick two, the Jets. Now the draft really starts. I think there's a lot of options for the Jets right now. They're also in a rebuild mode.

7:01Obviously, there's not a quarterback available right now because that would be the obvious decision that they would make. Like you would want to get like a left tackle premier position, but all of you guys are here, so I know that you know all the stories about how this is not a high-value draft for players from high-value positions. So now we're looking at how are we going to change our team, and I think the obvious choice is down to Bailey and Reese. So Bailey obviously is a much more polished edge rusher, not great against the run from Texas Tech. And then you've got Arbel Reese, who seems the comparison has been made when you're comparing them.

7:35It's one, Bayley feels like he's being sold as a more finished product, and Reese feels like more of a project. And I think we drop these players into these familiar kind of archetypes but don't actually feel all that true to me in this situation. When you watch Bayley play, of course you see the speed off the line, the spin move, the great pass rush move. You see some inefficiencies, I guess I'd say, in the run game. Then you watch Reese play, and you see him throwing people around, No matter how big he is, you see him out running people, you see him moving like a top-tier off-ball linebacker and moving 320-pound offensive linemen as if they were his size or smaller.

8:15So I think you can tell that I'm really close to making a decision that goes against what everyone is saying for the Jets. But my pick is in. There we go. That's not going to get old. I don't care. 32 times, I'm still going to love it every time. I'm going Arvel Reese to the Jets. I like that.

8:40You hate it, Kevin? I don't like the face you hate. No, I like it a lot. I'm with you. I don't think he's a project. If he was a project, he wouldn't be going second overall. There's too many good defenders in this draft. I do want to say very quickly, so Jack here is – someone said beforehand he was in the Vanna White role, and Dominique coined the phrase Vanna Red, and so we're going to call him Vanna Red. Jack is doing a great job. But Charlie, my man, Charlie is supposed to be there, but he's sick. We miss you, Charlie. We love Charlie. Yeah, Jack stepped up. You did an awesome job. You didn't even seem nervous when you were up here.

9:09Like great intro. We asked if he wanted to rehearse. He didn't want to. He's he's good, man. He's all good. Um, yeah, Jack was round of applause.

9:22All right. I have picked three with Arizona. Looking at studying the big board, making sure all my guys are still there.

9:32There's some surprising names. Yeah. Like, I, yeah, y 'all threw up some. Oh, oh, they took the top 60 of the most recent mock draft. Oh, no, I see there's more on the other side, too. If you'd come to the pre-show meeting, you'd have found out everything. I don't need to see the names. They're all up here. So I'm going to go off the board here a little bit. Not off the board, but not a consensus pick here. I think this guy is going to end up being the best player in the draft, regardless of the position. In five years, we're going to be saying this was the Sonny Stiles draft. And so I can't in good conscience go on all these shows and say he's going to be the best player in the draft and say, actually, I'm going to take eight guys in front of him.

10:13So give me Sonny Stiles at three. You know, it is interesting that he is not mentioned at all. Hold on. I'm sorry, Mina. Oh, shit. Come on, Kevin. One damn job. You say the pick is in, you look at the people. I should have heard. They made the sound. We're about Jack rehearsing, and I should have rehearsed saying the pick is in. Give it to me again. Give it to me again. The pick is in. You don't have to play the sound effect again. You don't have to do it. Somebody in the crowd should start saying it, and then they'll just set the sound off. Okay, no, no. It's interesting, right? Because a lot of people think that Sonny Stiles is one of the two or three best players in the draft.

10:53It's a pretty common opinion. And yet, you don't really see him mentioned a lot with the Arizona Cardinals. there's a lot of Jeremiah Love smoke right now there's talk of the pass rushers there's talk of Malinoa but they do need a linebacker I think the smoke lack of smoke is A obviously there haven't been any leaks from Arizona but also I don't think that teams that need a ton of like they basically need every position I don't think those teams get associated with a player like Sonny Stiles even though it should you should just take the best player available and it's also I think Arizona has a history with these type of players that isn't very good.

11:30I think that could skin her off. With Reese, yeah, as a tweener. But Styles. No, I think Sonny Styles falls into that category. It's like a hyper athlete. So Sonny Styles started as a safety, and I know he's demonstrated as linebacker is perfect. But I think, I don't know, I think that plays into it a little bit. And they also feel like a team that's not particularly ready, and they want to trade back more than anything. They had that with Isaiah Simmons. They also had that with Damon Buchanan. They invented the money backer phrase for him. A lot of times, like you'll hear on the podcast, the scouts will say, well, you always have to have a plan for him.

12:01And when they go to the Cardinals, there's not a plan ever. And so I think that ends up hurting that type of plan. I do like the idea. I should qualify that. I'm packaging a plan with Sonny Stiles. It is kind of funny that the Cardinals, you keep hearing all week, well, they're not, he's only, you know, Arvel Reese only had six and a half sacks, and they're not so sure, and he might be. So they're going to take a running back. Wait, what? because you didn't know what he's going to do. Okay, but all right. So I'm the Tennessee Titans at pick four, team that has been associated with the running back.

12:35I am very tempted, however, to take Arvel Reese. Wait, can I try to trade? Hold on. You're going to take Arvel Reese? He's already been drafted. You think of David Bailey? Can I try to do a trade here? That's my phone ring. Would that be the Tennessee Titans? Oh, yeah. Yeah, oh, hey, just quiet, not you. What? I had a package ready. Hold on, are you serious? Really? That was actually, it was Kevin. And he is trading up from pick 12. I'm also getting pick 20. I'm sending him back, however, pretending like I'm on the phone. I'm also sending you back My Third round pick So you're getting some value back But you're moving up to four to take Arvel Reese for the Dallas Cowboys Hold on, you took Arvel Reese From me at the Jets?

13:34You mean David Bailey? How did this happen? How did this happen? I meant to say David Bailey I already screwed This is great This entire time I meant to say David Bailey I'm so sorry Give me David Bailey for the Cowboys. We got through three picks without a repeat. Oh, my gosh. No, we didn't get through three picks. At pick number three, you forgot the chime. Oh, yeah, that's true. Everything's been thrown off ever since he forgot the chime. All right. So I have the Cowboys who desperately need a pass rusher, in my opinion. They love David Bailey, and they are trading up to get him at pick four.

14:14Dominique, how do you feel about losing a pick? I know. I was doing the math. I'm the 20th pick. I wasn't even involved in the straight. I didn't get anything back. I lost the 20th pick. We had a separate show meeting. Jerry Jones doesn't ask questions. He's the land man. We just go. Yeah. Love it. All right. That's what's happening. All right. We're back to you for pick five. All right. I'm the New York Giants. So they're in an interesting situation. I believe there's a couple players that they need to look at. The defense is, of course, their defensive line has gotten slightly weaker by trading away Dexter Lawrence.

14:49So that's a place they could look. I think generally their secondary could use quite a bit of help. And I'm a cornerback, so I'm not afraid to draft a cornerback really high. I think Mansell Delane would be a good choice for them at this point. Wow. Help bolster their secondary. However, I'm not going that way. Kevin, the pick is in. I am going to go with The pick is in The pick's not in Yeah, I'm going to upset all of the analytics community And go with a running back right here Jeremiah Love In the top five, baby Running backs are back Is the analytics community in the audience tonight? Poke that pill All right.

15:39Told it. Wow. You're getting booed. Would you really do this or are you just doing this to annoy me? No, I would really. Annoying you is just a nice benefit to come along with it. I personally understand the logic behind it, but I think that you can have decisions informed by data, but also I think you have to take some risks sometimes. And I think obviously it's a risk given all the information around running backs. It's a risk to take a running back this high. I think he's a special running back and he's fallen in a draft that doesn't have, like if there's a tackle out there that has these type of numbers, I would think about it.

16:20You guys took all the guys. All the guys that I'm like, hey, I would not pass them up for Jeremiah Love. Sonny Stiles, David Bailey, Arbel Reese are the guys. And at this point I think Jeremiah Love is a reasonable choice for a team. I agree that it's reasonable because of the way this is shaken out, but do you feel good about the Giants' offensive line? Do you feel good about the Giants' receiver group? Yeah, I don't feel good about the Giants' offensive line or receiver. No, I don't. Fair enough. I honestly think that one of the challenges, I believe, with bringing a running back in is the coaching around it and the system that involves it.

16:57So, like, I think, Mina, you pointed out that Christian McCaffrey is a great running back. They didn't run the ball particularly well, but he still has an impact on the offense. I think the hope is that Jeremiah Love, through scheme and through quarterback play, they can find a way to lighten the load on the quarterback and lighten the load on the offensive line because of the result of Jeremiah Love. Of course, it's a very dependent position, but I believe that they can coach around it. And we got other picks, baby. We got other picks. You do have other picks, which I think weirdly does make it more defensible.

17:25Always a good sign when you take a guy fifth overall and say, we also have other picks. I will say, I know I said you did to annoy me, but it is certainly more defensible than three and four for me, given the state of the Giants. Because they have needs, but they're not dramatic needs. This episode is powered by GNC. You know everyone's looking to draft that next game changer? Well, that's exactly what The Drop by GNC is built for. It's where the top picks in wellness and performance get called up first. No guest work, just the best of the best. We're talking breakout formulas, rising brands, and can't-miss trends, all scouted by GNC's experts.

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19:09With more than 120 years of experience and as a Fortune 500 company, Thrivent continues to serve individuals, family, and communities across the country. To learn more, visit Thrivent.com. Thrivent, where money means more. Kevin, you are up next. You've got the Cleveland Browns at six. So Dominique has taken this. All right, we don't like, we don't like, get out of here. Diego Pavia. I like that. That's a good suggestion.

19:41Dominique has taken this very seriously and was running game theory simulations based on me taking University of Miami players in certain positions. Yeah. And so I tried to zag and take none. And I do want to give a receiver here, but I'm not going to do it because the need is just too screaming. I'm just going to go with Francis Maui Noah. Yeah. I think they would be thrilled if he was there.

20:11We'll find the worst lineman available to play to the crowd. Yeah, I feel like the assumption is that with their two first-round picks, the Browns are going to go offensive tackle and wide receiver. But the order, I feel like, is completely up in the air. And if Mauinoa were to drop to them, it does – I wonder, like, Monroe Freeling versus Mauinoa in terms of, like, who do you feel is going to be, like, truly elect tackle at the next level? Yeah, and Foxworth is even asking if Mauinoa plays guard at the next level, which he could. He moves people. And then the herniated disc is a problem. But I just think if you just watch the tape, I mean, if you watch the Ole Miss, Carson Beck touchdown, Malino throws a block.

20:49It's like a movie block. He throws one block in the front and then just comes around and hits another guy who was about to get a strip sack. Like, he can move. He can move people. I just think he's a phenomenon. And the back is a risk, obviously. But I just think he's a much, much better player than any other tackle in this draft. Yeah. If you need a receiver and a tackle, I think it's smart to go with the tackle early. receivers tradition this draft feels like it has like a glut like there's no receiver that just is out of this world stand out but there's a glut of really good receivers I would wait for the receivers I think the tackles I totally agree yeah though the tackles I think are um are a little bit top heavy I still don't think there's like a standout incredible tackle I think taking Malino I think he separates himself as far as production is concerned the size is a bit of an issue but I think he separates himself and I think that's a good choice.

21:38Did I forget to do the pick is in again? What's that? I just forgot. I thought it was mean and no longer funny if I brought it up again. It's actually really funny. I would do it. It would never not be funny. But I was like then they would feel bad and I would look bad so I'm going to just be quiet. We paid$400 ,000 for that time. I mean I got the fourth overall pick wrong so I was just so wrapped up in finding the dial tone on my phone to simulate a phone call that I said the name wrong. Alright. I'm up. I've got the Washington Commanders. So, I actually I want to make this clear because I get branded as a hater of love.

22:22I love love. I would have taken love for the Commanders if he were there. I want to say that. Right now, though, I think you've got a lot of interesting choices. Reuben Bain Jr. is a possibility. Mansur Delane, I think should be under consideration here. Caleb Downs is someone I would consider at this point, but I'm going to just go against what you guys just said because my pick is in. There we go. I'm taking Carnell Tay, baby. Woo! Do we have Ohio State fans in the crowd? Is that... No. No, okay. Boo, never mind. All right, I don't know. I just think right now Terry McLaurin behind him on the death chart in Washington it's like Traylon Burks Luke McCaffrey Van Jefferson it's not pretty and it's full of guys that you like stream in week 16 when you're desperate who's been there?

23:26what? that is literally My surprise is, like, Cardinal Tate has been celebrated as the number one receiver in this draft for a while. And that wasn't the read that I got when I'm watching tape. So he wouldn't be the first receiver that I've taken that I would have taken. And I'm surprised that I guess I want to hear you talk about what I think his floor is really high. And I think there's reasonable questions about the ceiling. And, you know, when you take a receiver this high, you do want someone with a high ceiling. But I look at him and I've talked about this. He kind of reminds me of Devontae Smith, like a bigger Devontae Smith, where he's like a 1B to a 1A.

24:03I think with McLaurin, he's a natural fit as a Z. I think he can win downfield. He makes the offense more explosive, but I do think he's a polished route runner at all three levels. Great hands. And I just feel like that receiver group, suddenly everybody falls into a nice place if you add him to the mix. A lot of pressure in Washington to get this offense back on track. Just put him, these Ohio State receivers, let them have a reunion with McLaurin. I love it. I love my pick. I would, ten times out of ten, I would make this. Charlie, our sick brother who is not here right now is a big Commanders fan.