Kincaid in America: An AFC East Preview

27:59I think you could have something that could kind of work. It's funny, right? Because Reich is kind of the same question with him that you have for Gina, which is the last time we saw you, is that who you are? Or was your circumstances, which was, you know, the kind of disastrous Bryce Young year, his initials. And like Reich was not good in Carolina, and the offense was not, I felt like it wasn't suited for Young, but Young also wasn't good, and it wasn't the greatest group of skilled players. So, yeah, I think, you know, you can go back to Indianapolis and obviously Philadelphia, and Frank Reich has been a good NFL play caller.

28:36But similarly, Geno, it's kind of like, okay, well, which one are you? Did we see the version that we're going to get this season? To go back to Geno for a second, so if Jets fans are looking for some coke, I have it for you. Because last year you said he was near the bottom or bottom in most meaningful quarterback metrics. But something I thought was interesting was he was still extremely accurate. He was eighth in on-target rate league-wide, and even when you expanded that to over 10 yards and over 20, he still ranked high in terms of his accuracy. Even under pressure, he wasn't that bad. And he had a relatively fast time to throw, so it wasn't like he was holding onto the ball and taking that many egregious sacks.

29:22The problem was he just took a ton of sacks. Another number I'll highlight is on throws over 10 yards, Sometimes I like to look this up. He had a 35 % tight window rate, which was first in the NFL. And tight window rate is always interesting because some of it is like some quarterbacks just like throwing those balls. Dak Prescott always ranks really high in that regard. Geno likes throwing tight window throws, so he's always going to rank higher. But I also think it reflects just how crappy the spacing and the passing offense was and how tight everything felt generally. the other final piece of cope yes he had a 3.8 percent interception rate last year but if you go back just two years in Seattle he went 1.9 very low 1.8 very low 2.6 which was not great his final year in Seattle so the things I think there's he can still throw the football I did feel like his arm strength showed a little bit of decline last season and then his mobility like he took a lot of sacks now again some of that was on a lot of that was on the offensive line and the offense but he's not going to give you quarterback mobility at this point in his career his pressure to sacrate was the worst in the nfl uh so decision making he's got to make better choices he's got to take fewer sacks but i do think per our conversation this is a much better offense that he's walking into in the jets so yeah i don't know like sorry i know i want to like Like, I do not think at this point he is going to be a top 15 quarterback, but I think what I don't know is, is he going to be in the 15 to 25 range versus the 25 to 32 range that Anthony, I feel like I don't know because last year was so insane.

31:05Yeah, it really was such a kind of going from everyone's darling the past couple of years in Seattle to all of a sudden just being part of this absolute dumpster fire with the Raiders. and I think what does help him a bit and Reich being there and you know kind of having pieces to implement the offense that he had success with from his time in Philly and Indianapolis like the pieces around like we've talked about a little bit I do think there's enough to insulate Gino to help him be the best version of himself like if you if you made me decide right now I think Gino will be in like the 15 to 20 range more so than the 25 to 32.

31:44I think, especially if that offensive line stays healthy. And then with Brees Hall, I think you're going to get a good running game. Like Frank Reich's going to bring all the inside zone and the outside zone. They'll run duo. They'll run some cool gap scheme stuff with trap and power encounter. So I think they'll have a, yeah, is where you're thinking about the usage similar to Jonathan Taylor. Yes. Yeah. that's the first thing I thought of with like thinking of Frank Reich was when you know his Colts teams were the first time uh I ever saw the crunch play which is like trap mixed with wham and they ran it so much against the Bills and Jonathan Taylor just ate with that play um and I was always thought the run game designs were cool and I think you can do that that was you know really going back and watching focusing on Geno with the Raiders and then watching the Jets offense last year.

32:30I came away, you know, I think Olu Fashano gets his credit and then Membow, Tippman just got paid. So maybe he's getting acknowledged a bit more, but I came away really impressed with Joe Tippman. And then knowing like, okay, Josh Myers is the center. The weakest guy on that line is Parham. That's not a bad weakest link considering what the other strengths are. So let Brees Hall do fun Brees Hall things, catching the ball, running the ball, Garrett Wilson, you have a true wide receiver one and you have a solid offensive line that could actually be very good. If those younger guys continue to take jumps, which is a very likely thing.

33:05I think they kind of price themselves into the range of like a seven to eight win type of team, or maybe six to nine, if we extend it and get to the defense. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's, it's interesting with what the offense could be just focused totally there. I like this group of steel players. I mean, you outlined it, but I also just like how Cooper Jr. and Mitchell slash Sadiq Taylor, et cetera, bit with Wilson. It really shows you the benefits of having a true number one, right? Like the Patriots. Yeah. We'll get to the bills. But like Garrett Wilson is a true three level threat. You can play him inside, outside.

33:41He can do everything with him. And because of that, son, you look at a player like Cooper Jr., who was so solid at Indiana and gets you yards after the catch. We'll do the dirty work over the middle field is pretty smooth and then adi mitchell can be explosive and you really saw flashes of that by the way as this near the end of the season last year with him and and then you think about like okay if they want to use you talked about reich and his use of tight ends sadique and taylor and you're putting them on the field and maybe record as well and 13 suddenly you can just use two of those receivers like it it's a it's a fun young core and i think if you're a jets fan I understand you don't want to win too many games, but I think the upside case of having a professional quarterback, assuming you get that version of Smith is you can actually develop the young core because when you have a really bad quarterback play, all of the players we talked about will get frustrated.

34:37Won't, you know what I mean? Like, so I think there is, there is a case for bringing in like a competent veteran. If you're the rest of your offense is really young, which is a very, very young. I mean, it's got to be like the youngest offense in football. I mean, just looking at the group and the line and the play. So I think we'll see. I feel like if you're a Jets fan, it's like you're talking about that young core. And it's like, man, that's a really great young core to like pair with Arch Manning. And then it's like, oh, but like also to your point, though, will they get there? Well, I think the defense will help them get to the defense.

35:13uh no i i they did make i think some addition this is defense by the way it was 30 second dvoa against the pass they were actually average against the run uh big changes up front jermaine johnson out to vandre sweat and i really like that move especially when you consider them drafting david bailey so now you have a pair of head pass rushers in will mcdonald and david bailey who are, you know, guys who are, they're better rushing the passer than defending the run. McDonald has improved some, but I think both bring a lot of speed. They both have great get-offs. So having those stout defensive tackles really helps.

35:53And I think that was the thinking, right? I almost wonder if they already had their eye on David Bailey when they went out. Well, they knew they were going to take a pass rusher, obviously. But they got at Sweat and Phillips. and then Jameon Sherwood struggled last year. So after getting paid, so you bring back DeBario Davis to kind of settle the linebacker group and have him wear the green dot. And also you add a lot of depth. I was surprised. I think I'd forgotten all the pass rushers they signed. Kingsley Anikbari, Joseph Asai, not stars, but competent pass rushers. And it's something like, you know what?

36:29It's impressive. I don't think it's going to be the best, you know, near like a top 10 front seven. But I like the way they've started to put this thing. Darren Mugee started to like assemble this. We'll get to the back end in a second. But I like that front seven. I do. Yeah, I agree. I you know, one of my favorite free agents in this class was David on Yamada and they picked him up as well. Like I. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with, you know, they're being kind of an odd front base, but he allows you to do so many things. and he can be effective anywhere from like outside, you know, the shoulder of the tackle.

37:02So from a five all the way inside and your odd front stuff, you can put them in a four, a four eye, but then he can line up as a one tech or a three and some even front stuff. You can even put them at nose from time to time. And I think he's a really good kind of microcosm for what they did for the defense. Like you said, like they didn't add any stars, but I thought they added a lot of usefulness and a lot of effective like pro NFL players that raise the floor and make you at worst like a competent group and even the pairing at edge right now you guys you kind of got like the speed the speed juice guys in mcdonald and bailey but then you've got an igbari and a sigh who can rush a little bit but also can set the edge it's kind of you got like two of each you can play off one another and go from there i love your comment about demario davis you know he's not the all pro that he was you know with the saints but he's still for like i don't know lack of a better term like the adult in the room on the defense who will get against the run he's still like he sees things he's just and he he is a player too when you watch him you you can feel his acute sense of like he has an awareness of his own athletic capabilities at this point and he's really such an intelligent player um and yeah and then you can you can just kind of unleash sherwood a little bit more yeah you know go get the ball like i just think yeah i i they also brought back by the way their defensive line coach who's been with the Steelers, Carl Dunbar, who obviously the Steelers pass rushers have been not just TJ Watt, but they've done a really good job developing young players as well.

38:29Yeah, Herbig and Highsmith and their kind of - You might get some, yeah, benefits from that. Their attention to detail, everything they've done. And also too, Demario Davis, your point there, like the Saints were actually a sneaky good defense, especially down the stretch last year. And part of that was Demario Davis kind of like running the show and translating everything. So again, another floor raiser, Like, is this going to be the best defense? No, but are they good enough to kind of get in your way and get you too many wins to get you out of the number one pick? Maybe. Well, the, the front seven, I had nice words for, I'm a little bit more concerned about this cornerback.

39:03It's still Brandon Stevens. They, they signed to Sean Wright, who, despite I had like five or six interceptions. Yeah. Didn't command much of a market. They drafted D 'Angelo Pons is a really fun player. I view him as slot only. He's like my size, And then you've got Azaria Thomas, who they drafted last year, I believe. Minka Fitzpatrick, who honestly, Minka Fitzpatrick and Andre Sisco is not a bad safety duo, I will say. So that's improved. I do think, though, that corner room is not strong. So I do worry about them. Because, you know, it's like Wright and Fitzpatrick at points to his career have gotten their hands in the football.

39:44But Wright also gave up a lot of big plays. or, you know, like he was not as great in coverage last season, which I think was reflected in the market. So, and then Brandon Stevens, I don't know, man. Man, Brandon Stevens has been like, from a metric standpoint, it's like a bad corner going back to his last year in Baltimore. And it's, and knowing that they're going to get, trot him out as of now in that room. I think that, yeah, it really starts with the corner spot. I think safety, again, fine floor, you know, this isn't prime Minka, but that's fine. Cisco is fine. I've never been a big Cisco guy, but, you know, fine, take them.

40:20Ponds can be fun. Like maybe he gets his hands on the ball and blows some stuff up in the run or gets his hands on balls in the air. But just, yeah, if you're looking purely at the outside, and then especially on top of that, knowing what Aaron Glenn wants to be from a coverage standpoint, like this is the team last year that, you know, this goes back to his time in Detroit. Like you're going to get a bunch of single high. You're going to get a bunch of man coverage. They had the fifth highest cover one rate in the league last year, 24.1%. But then, I'm sorry to laugh, but then in cover one. Horrendous.

40:53Yeah, so fifth highest cover one rate, but then they were 32nd at EPA per pass allowed in cover one and 31st in success rate at 52.7%, which is terrible. And then their most played coverage was cover three, and they were 31st in EPA per pass in cover three and 29th in success rate there at 54.5 % allowed. and it's just like, that's who Aaron Glenn wants to be. So does he tweak that? Or is he going to leave Wright and Stevens on islands? Because I think that's very suspect. Even if we're just keeping it in the division, that can kind of get suspect. Maybe not for Miami as much, but yeah, that's just an easy way to kind of pick at this team.

41:34Blake Washington disrespect. Sorry, apologies to Blake Washington. We'll get to the Dolphins receiver group. But yeah, maybe the front is about AJ Brown and how you shouldn't play man coverage. Yeah. Right. What are you going to do? And maybe the front is the front is stout enough that you can play more too high structures and protect the corners a little bit more. But then, you know, even last year, their third most played coverage was cover two. So maybe Glenn would lean into that a little more if the front can hold up. But is the front good enough to do that? Or is it just? Yeah, I think sweat.

42:07I think the defensive tackle group that we talked about, combined with having Davis, who's still good against the run, I think you can trust this group. You need to protect those edges. It's funny, similar to the conversation we had about New York where we talked about how last year their linebackers just did not protect the edges at all, who are similar, like a similar build, speed, speed, right? Brian Burns and Abdul Carter. This group can, I think. So, yeah, I think that he should consider playing a bit more split safety. I think his hope is that they upgraded the pass rush, which was bottom five in just every metric, right?

42:44So we'll see. But it was a big offseason for Darren Mugey. I like the players that he added. I really do. I think it's a little bit of a hard team to get your arms around without knowing what version of Geno Smith or how much of the decline will continue if that or if he'll rebound a bit. All right, let's take a break and then come back and talk about a team that we have no quarterback questions about, the Buffalo Bills. Buster Olney here for La Quinta by Wyndham. Summer mornings move fast, whether you're heading to the job site or catching the first pitch. But not every hotel makes it easy to start your day right.

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45:26So my question for you is this. Does the addition of DJ Moore, the potential health of Kincaid and Palmer, make you think that this offense can be better against man coverage this season? yes the the addition of dj more again the value and i i believe you said something similar to what i'm about to say when you when you spoke with nate um your value i think is a separate conversation like what you gave up for him what you paid for him so on and so forth his contract you're not gonna yeah forget that but at the end of the day yeah no i don't either but he's a significant upgrade at the wide receiver spot and he allows everybody to kind of slot differently i don't think he's prime DJ more.

46:15Um, and I'm not going to allow myself to get sucked into the whole, like, well, look what, you know, Joe Brady did with him. Cause I played that game with Curtis. He was four than yards per route run versus man coverage. If he can get close to that, like, sure. I think what scares me a little with DJ more is knowing, and I know him leaving Chicago was tied to the emergence of their younger guys in the wide receiver room and the tight end room. And then what DJ more cost, but it scares me a little bit knowing like a team like the bears that wants to surround their franchise quarterback with as much guys and an offensive genius like Ben Johnson is so willing to just be like, no, you can go.

46:49And then hearing him not being into some of the detail things, and that's why it wasn't a great fit with Ben Johnson. So I do think there are some underlying worries. But at the end of the day, he's the best receiver on this Bills team. He's an upgrade from last year. He gives them vertical stretch, horizontal stretch. He can do gadget stuff. He's not a precise route runner, but he's good downfield. He's good at the catch point. I think he is an upgrade piece. And then if you compare that with Dalton Kincaid, hopefully staying healthy, who was their best player last year in terms of EPA per target versus man coverage.

47:21Like he was, he was second on the team behind James cook. If you're including all the skill position players there at 0.53 EPA per target, the next receiver behind him was Elijah Moore, but he only had five targets behind him was Tyrell Shavers who had nine, but he's like two tenths below that. Hey, I love Tyrell Shavers. There was nobody in that wide receiver room that could really do it. Palmer was hurt, but when he was in there, he was still banged up and not as effective, but I kind of blame that more on the roster construction because why are you trying to make Josh Palmer like your true wide receiver one?

47:54He's not built for that world. So yeah, I think more in and of himself, let alone kind of how he helps everyone slot. I do think so. I agree with you. I think, you know, I talked about this, but Moore's... season last year it's kind of similar to what we're talking about with Gino and Reagan where it's a little bit of like how much of this was him versus how much of it was his usage and circumstances and maybe less less about Ben Johnson and more about the quarterback and his style of play candidly um but he became just like a sacrificial ex at the end of the year you know they were just asking him to like clear stuff out and he honestly I know he gets a lot of be crap for loafing and but for the most part he did it um i i think there's real potential maybe he won't achieve those 2023 numbers i talked about where he was so dynamite against man coverage but i do think his skill set the athleticism the ability to win at three levels the yards after the catch which is a big part of this offense um you know i think all of it is kind of what they're looking for it helps everyone slot into a better place and it also um i think brings up a possibility that I brought up to you and I asked you some questions about, which is more multiple tight end sets.

49:06You said something really, you know, I asked you, why don't you think the bills have really fun tight ends? They also have tight ends who are great together. You have Knox as your all around guy, Haas is your blocker, Kincaid as your field stretcher, man coverage, beater slot. It's nice, right? This is the league. This is what everybody's doing. 12, 13 personnel. And the Bills, when they did use multiple tight ends, I did 12 and 13, first in EPA per play tied with the Rams and the Colts. But they barely used it. Not barely, but they didn't use it a lot, which also helped those rankings, obviously.

49:42And you said something really fascinating to me, which is, you know, Khalil Shakir was their best receiver and he doesn't play outside. So I think my next question for you about DJ Moore is, do you think DJ Moore might actually allow them to lean more on those multiple tight end sets? Yes, I think so, because he gives you somebody on the outside that, no disrespect to other Bills receivers from previous years, but he gives them someone that you have to account for on the outside in some capacity. He can still win one-on-one, whether it's down the field or, like you said, underneath. It could be in the intermediate.

50:15He gives you someone that you have to account for in some way. And if you don't, that's fine. Then he can beat you one-on-one, and the Bills can take that. I do think he helps uptick that. You know, with we talk about Reggie Gilliam with the Patriots, he's no longer with the Bills anymore, obviously. The Bills had a 12.7 % 22 personnel rate last year, which was first in the league, and then an 8.9 % 21 personnel rate, which was 10th. Both of those are going to drop just because Gilliam isn't there. And so your next thought would be, OK, then your other main ones, 11 personnel is going to go up.

50:4912 is going to go up. 13 is going to go up. If Kincaid is healthy, 12 and 13 should probably go up even more. I also think you could get Jackson Hawes in some fullback type stuff like he did at Georgia Tech. And he's such a fun player. Like that'll skew the personnel usage because he's doing fullback stuff. Even though it's he's a de facto. Yeah, right. Yeah, it'll be like 22 in name only. Exactly. But he functions well with that. And I do think, you know, they'll be better in 11 personnel this year because now you can go with 11 and trot out more Palmer and Shakir. We'll see what you get from Skylar Bell.

51:23See what you get from Keon. but not only with this being like the meta of the league with more tight ends and heavy personnel, I think the bills need to live in more 12 and 13 because with this 12 and 13 grouping, plus the addition of DJ more, you can go condensed and run the football. You can go condensed and pass it. You can also go spread and run the ball out of spread or go true spread empty. There's so much multiplicity. Well, it's just, you know, this is always the conversation about the, we talk about this a lot when we talk about the Rams and the Seahawks and the multiple by 10. Look, I'm sorry.

51:58If Jackson Haas is on the, if those tight ends are on the field with this bills run game, the power run game, what is a defense? You're not going to play light. You only light against that group. Fine. Joe Brady's proven that he is willing to take those 5.5 yards a clip. And so then that's going to lead to explosives. Cause they're going to get those guys on linebackers. They're going to face, you know, get the matchups that they want. I just think, which by the way, was the one area where the Spills offense struggled. They were not explosive. Josh Allen, look how they massacred my boy.

52:34I think that similar to you saw Seattle really and LA hit explosives when they put tight ends on the field. There's real potential for that with, imagine Moore as your receiver, Kincaid. You're facing a base defense. Like, it's, you know, I think, yeah, look, to kind of put a pin on this, do I think DJ Moore is top 10, 15 receiver in the league? No, I don't. But I think his skill set is what they desperately needed. My final question about the offense, the line has been such a – it has been the biggest strength of this team outside the quarterback and James Cook, who I'm a huge James Cook respecter, and it bothers me that I feel like at times he has not gotten his appropriate – I just think he's become such a special running back, and I love the way he runs.

53:24I love his vision. Literally everything but the fumbling. But the offensive line did lose a guard, Edwards. Otherwise, it's the same. Do you have any concerns about this group taking? Because they've been so healthy and so steady and so the identity of this offense outside of Allen. Do you worry at all? Out of pure superstition, yes, because they have largely been healthy. And I'm like, eventually that other shoe has to drop a little bit. I do worry to some degree aside from that, just because you are changing it to a degree, even though it is only one position. You know, David Edwards gets paid, goes to New Orleans.

54:01but not only was he a starter and a good player he meant a lot to Deion Dawkins next to him at left tackle he did a lot of communicating and adjusting he was a really smart player he was kind of part of that brain trust along with Connor McGovern there uh next to him at center so I think losing Edwards isn't just losing a guard it is kind of losing it's almost like a force multiplier but in reverse like you are losing a bit more than that and so I'm interested to see what that trickle down looks like. And that matters because exactly your point for as much as, you know, Josh Allen wins the MVP and Josh Allen is Josh Allen.

54:35And you know, the conversations around him, what's really made the bills offense go the past couple of years has been the offensive line in the run game. It's been the emergence of James cook and James cook getting better every year with vision and contact balance and yards after contact and power and still being, you know, the speedy guy who can house it in any moment. Um, so I do have some trepidation, uh, just because of that change and what the trickle down will be. But I think on the whole, you know, some maybe, you know, from a ceiling perspective, they don't end up being, you know, a top five offensive line, like the potentially been the past couple of years.

55:07But I still think this is probably and likely a top 10 group if they stay healthy, which also may be a question. Spencer Brown hurt for the majority of the start of his career that reared its head last year where he started pickup injuries again. Um, but if they're healthy, I think they're solid and strong. they're going to mash people and then protect yeah the other thing i'll add is joe brady switching to head coach you know sometimes that can be a little challenging as well right because now he's got i i i think that'll be fine but can i give you some uh can i give you some dalton kincaid propaganda that i feel like you'll like i love dalton kincaid i i think he's top seven tight end i don't know i'd have to do the rankings but yeah i i know you know and i he's limited in line we You know what he is as a blocker, what you can and can't do with him.

55:52But granted the sample size, you know, he was hurt last year, you know, playing, but banged up on a pitch count. But out of 141 players last year across wide receivers, tight ends and running best that had at least 45 targets. He was second in EPA per target at 0.72. He was third in yards per route run. He was third in yards per target. And he was also first in a QB passer rating on those throws when targeted. So he, that explosive guy, I wanted to bring that up because it tied into one of your points there of, you know, go heavy and then trying to tack down field and generate explosives. He can be that guy if he's healthy, even if they're not like going heavy, he can still be that because he's the mismatch creator.

56:31But if you can get into those heavy looks, makes in some play action or just straight under center drop back type stuff. He's shown that propensity before he just has to stay healthy, which is a big question mark. Yeah. And his, he missed a few games last year. I don't remember how many, it was five maybe. Yeah, I think roughly. I think he played in 12, but even the ones he played, he was still hurt and banged up and played on a pitch count. Then that's another part of the reason why they didn't have a higher usage of multiple tight end sets, of course, in addition to the makeup of the team. All right, the defense did not make my top 10, unlike the offense, and is undergoing a lot of changes.

57:08So this is interesting. Personal wise, you have added some defensive linemen, pass rushers, Bradley Chubb, TJ Parker, player they drafted, really like him. Greg Russo is still the, you know, old reliable. Linebacker remains Dorian Williams, Terrell Bernard, but they did draft Caleb Elarm's or corners pretty much the same. Benford, Hairston, Taron Johnson's gone now, though, and we'll talk about that in a second. D Alford at nickel. They drafted the Ohio state corner, Ibanez son. And then safeties, Cole Bishop still there. TJ Garner Johnson added. Most notably, not mostly, but very notably new defensive coordinator, new defense.

57:59And I think this is so interesting. So Jim Leonard comes over from Denver. He is a guy who really, really smart people around the league have been talking about for a long time as like the next dude like one of what he did in college nate tice friend of the show loves him he was in wisconsin for a bit um so he has a very very exciting reputation for bills fans but also i bring some questions which i'll start here um this is they're switching to a three four will be multiple what does that mean whatever uh it doesn't however raise questions for me when i look at this depth chart which is yeah do they have a nose oh man that is uh because you got a lot of like ed oliver who i love uh tj sanders deon walker i guess lana jackson's probably gonna play more outside linebacker right hill i think he might kick into one of like the actual like full like a four eye like a traditional defensive end that he's going to put on more weight and do okay fair enough and it's an important question because the biggest problem with this team last year and nothing is close was they were horrendous against the run 32nd and DVO a bad in just about every metric except for the explosives the Giants and the bagels and stuff but they were manhandled at the line of scrimmage.

59:31It felt like every third and short was automatic. So I think that's why I want to focus here on the nose and the front, because my question for you is, can this defense be better against the run? Because last year that was, that was ultimately their undoing. It was their undoing to also throw another stat out there. They were 32nd in yards after contact per rush allowed at 3.93. That's the highest per next gen of any defense since 2019. So absolutely terrible. Yeah, that's the question. Can they stop the run? And if they do, how? Jim Leonard comes on, and one of the first times he speaks, he talks about how you build the defense.

1:00:14Kind of the MO or the starting point is stopping the run. And knowing they were moving to more of an odd front base, although, again, multiple, we're still going to see nickel, we're still going to see four down, all that stuff. but knowing what the bills have been to your point, knowing that they were going to be more multiple, I expected some nose addition. I hope for someone like Roy Lopez or Kairos Tonga, or it could have been just anybody. It could have been a one year, $3 million role player. Brandon Bean has talked before multiple years in a row about how those, those roles are so easy to acquire.

1:00:46Yeah. He continues not to get one, which makes you think he doesn't value it. I think if they're going to stop the run, it's going to have to be with more of a movement-based, schemed-up type of attack, courtesy of Jim Leonard, which is possible. You can operate with run blitzes and run stunts in games and try and cut things off and make an offense run through a phone booth and play in that, but there is a risk-reward. If you call the wrong rush at the wrong time or the wrong game, you're caught out, and all of a sudden, a hole becomes an alley that you could drive a bus through and you're screwed.

1:01:14I just don't look at this front right now and see, you know whether it's TJ Sanders or Landon Jackson at one you know four-eye spot and then kicking it into Deion Walker at nose Ed Oliver at the other your bookends are fine with the edge grouping I just don't see how you have a lot of point of attack strength on the interior with guys who are just not going to get moved at a certain point you have to be able to withstand teams trying to run through your face and that's going to be the big question and for as much as people have pointed to Leonard's time in Wisconsin and we're like, oh, like one of his best noses was Keanu Benton.

1:01:48And Keanu Benton can move and slash. You go watch the tape. And for as much as they're doing movement stuff, Keanu Benton and the rest of the guys on that front, they're playing gap and a half. They're two gapping. They're playing at the point of attack and holding strong and dropping the knee and splitting double teams or reducing surface area. Similar thing in Denver. People pointing like, oh, DJ Jones isn't a monster. DJ Jones can play the run. Like DJ. He's very good against the run. Yeah. I was just about to mention him because I was pulling up the depth. So Denver's defense was top five against the run success rate, all that.

1:02:19They allowed 1.98 yards before contact per carry last year, which was second best in the NFL. The bills were 27th in that. So it is right. Like when we think about Denver and that defense, we think about all the blitzing and the pressure and the speed and the man coverage, but the run defense is the foundation on which that, you know, allowed them to do all of that. And I think that's the big question with like, you know, we can get to, Hey, like, well, first of all, it's so interesting too, because the players are so different in Buffalo. Like this is a defense that's built for Sean McDermott fall, not what we saw in Denver.

1:02:57So I think it's a unique, I don't want to sound like I'm saying it's a miscast. I just think it's a unique challenge for Leonard, right? Which is what are you going to do with the players at your disposal? Because Nick Bonito is not walking through that door. Patrick Sertan is not walking through that door. Christian Benford is an awesome zone corner. Are you going to play more, man? Yeah. And I think he can't. I'm not saying he can't, but like. That's a fair question. My point, these rushers that you have are more like their games, like Rousseau, TJ Parker, who's a player I really liked, by the way, who they drafted.

1:03:25I was very, I talked about him in my draft pod with Dominique. I ended up really liking his game, but he's a power guy a little bit more. You know, like, so. Just like the Sean McDermott rushers of old, like Bradley Chubb. It's the same thing. Power compression. undersized defensive lineman power edges corner your best corners and zone i so i'm just kind of intrigued by how it all comes together i think you could argue harrison might be better with a little bit more man um and then you know i uh i thought cole bishop was fantastic last season hopefully safety is a bit of an upgrade with garner johnson but i i this is an event where i just i'm very intrigued i think of all the coaching changes around the nfl this one might be up there in terms of, I'm like, damn, like, what are you, what are you gonna do with these guys?

1:04:12I, I sounds, no, no, that's, and I mean, granted I'm, I'm hyper fixated on this team, but I, I, I personally have loved Jim Leonard since his time at Wisconsin. I just, he was so ahead of the curve with when it came to philosophy and identity and simulated pressures and creepers and attacking. And a lot of this comes from, you know, his time with Rex Ryan and learning from him, but attacking formation and rules and protections and alignment. And it could be, you know, where the back is. We're focusing every time the back is here. We're doing a, if the back is here, we're doing B. And he's so good at teaching that.

1:04:48I had a tweet. I found it when they hired him. I had a tweet back in like 2022 or 2021 where I was like, man, it'd be great if Jim Leonard could become the bills defensive coordinator. Cause I just thought he's, he's so much the antithesis of Sean McDermott from a matchup standpoint where each each week he's crafting a game plan based off of the opponent's strengths and he's trying to mitigate what you do best amplify your weaknesses and like he says after every drive make the offense go back to the tablets and look up and be like what's going on out there how do we adjust he doesn't want to be a counter puncher he wants to punch first and make you have to counter which has been the opposite of what sean mcdermott has done for a lot of his tenure in buffalo though he's had success but in the playoffs it's been rough but yeah like i i love all that in theory and I value Jim Leonard my biggest question is with the body types they have and the archetypes that they still have defensively how much of that ceiling can be reached I think he's a floor raiser but I think the ceiling is a bit capped this year um and I think if they have success against the run like if they quote-unquote fix the run defense and if they have the success that they need to have for this team to accomplish its championship goals a lot of that heavy lifting is going to be done by Jim Leonard schematically.

1:05:58It's why too, or like we go back to the more acquisition, like you already had a top three offense and this could be the thing that puts you over the top, but from an, like an allocation of resources standpoint, um, I do wonder if perhaps you could have given Leonard's, you know, like I think gotten made a, I wonder if it is a team that should have done their big swing on defense instead of offense because the offense is already But, you know, no, I did the same. I did around that time, like one of my episodes in free agency, I was just playing this game of like all the money they allocated to certain guys in free agency and who they could have had instead at like I was like, you could have had Roy Lopez and Leo Chanel instead of this and all these different combinations that I felt would have in the long term fixed what they needed.

1:06:44but I trust Jim Leonard more than I trust myself. But I do have, I do have a lot of questions because exactly to your point, I think your question and what I'm asking and what a lot of folks are asking is like, okay, you had this glaring weakness in this glaring hole and you didn't really address it unless you're addressing it by bringing Jim Leonard in. And he's like, no, don't worry about it. I can fix it. I don't need this piece and that piece. I can fix it some other way, which is possible. Again, they can do it with scheme. that's just a heavy ask to constantly have to win with movement to have to constantly win with calls it's tough it's tough to just be x's and o's as opposed to jimmies and joes and i know that makes the it sound like the bills have no players on defense which they don't they've got some good guys i just don't think they necessarily have the archetypes i'd like or the top tier guys yeah they have a lot of good russo is like always good yes uh brentford is really good yes and Oliver can be really good if he stays healthy.

1:07:42Like his, his high highs. He was so sick. He was so good. And that goes back. I forgot that he didn't like that. He was in massive absence. Yeah. He was great last year when he played the single best game of any safety against Kansas city. Just balling out. I think I was watching with NFL. I feel like, what is happening? Like, why? Like, what did the spirit of Ed Reed, like freaky Friday, cold vicious body was insane. But no, I'm high on him. I think he's a really good player. Gar Johnson, you know, he'll be good for the year before everyone turns on him. Right. He's a wild card man with what he can do.

1:08:16But that's a great call with Bishop because I think Bishop and Terrell Bernard, I think, are two players that and I think Michael Hoyt as well. We'll see how healthy Michael Hoyt is coming off the Achilles. But I think Hoyt, Bishop and Bernard are the three individual players that would see the biggest uptick in performance because of what Jim Leonard is going to ask them to do. he's gonna blitz those linebackers a bunch whether it's in sims creepers or true blitzes whether it's run or pass blitzes benford's a really good blitzer don't let guys get to the second level and maul him and then letting cole bishop come down to the box more they're probably going to play more single high coverage it allows cole bishop to be more of that box safety like he was in utah oliver like hypothetically could benefit from it right everyone's making the zach allen comp, but DJ Joe didn't go with, so it's like, yeah.

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1:12:12Patrick Paul, who's been very good at left tackle. They drafted Caden Proctor, who's going to play guard Aaron Brewer, who's one of the best centers in the NFL. Savanaya kicks over to the right side. They're hoping that'll help things. And then Austin Jackson really just needs to stay healthy. All right. So here's where I think I'm conflicted a little bit because I look at this offense sorry by the way an offense that was did I write it down very good like they were 11th and run DVOA last year in 25th and pass right with Mike McDaniel notably um however okay so I look at this offense and when I think about like what would it take for it to not be horrendous and from Lake Willis to have a chance out there I think power run game, quarterback, you know, put him on the move, and then you get play action opportunities off of that.

1:13:12Think about Malik Willis in Green Bay, big throws outside the numbers, but it's all oriented around this creative and downhill run game. Speaker 1 The office coordinator is Bobby slow. Speaker 2 I was waiting. Speaker 2 I'm like, I, I think that's where I'm like struggling a little bit because I do think there's a world in which this is a decent to good run game. The offensive line, which has good players comes together. Willis is part of that run game and he's explosive. This is going to be more, he's got a great arm, but I don't, I I'm sure what I'm struggling with Anthony is to see how what we have seen from Bobby Slowick, who is the offensive coordinator in Houston, comes from the Shanahan school.

1:13:56I struggle to see like how that meshes with the players that they have on their roster. This is not a Shanahan offense. Like the depth chart does not demand a Shanahan offense is what I'm saying. Yeah, that's fair. I'm in a similar boat. I've loved for so many years what Mike McDaniel did as a run game designer and caller and for as much as his time in Miami you know so much of it was and understandably so conversations around Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and when everything was bad that was the focus when everything was good that was the focus but like you said like he their offense their run game has been really creative like how McDaniel would create leverage how he'd use motion and personnel and then you know kind to use his own tendencies against defenses and manipulate them and confuse that run game was so good and if I dropped Malik Willis into that offense I'd be like you know what even without the receivers I might feel kind of decent but then with Bobby Slowick yeah I just don't know what they lean into I think what what you said makes the most sense you essentially kind of trot out Malik Willis into a similar offense that he had with with Green Bay you know although So Green Bay has some really, LeFleur and what his crew were doing last year and really the past couple of years, really creativity with some of their gap scheme stuff, the spinner stuff that they would do with Love and get to the run game.

1:15:20But I think you pound the rock as much as you can, lean into Devin A. Chan, who I don't know if this is hot takey. Like I personally think if Devin A. Chan has a successful year this year, I think he should be locked into one of the top five running backs in the league. Like I think he's phenomenal. Well, 2025, for as much as he's a speed guy, you know, third in explosive runs, and he's so fast. He was first in yards after contact in 2025, and he was in a similar spot his rookie year in 2023. You know, yards per carry, just everything he does, and so much of it is tied to the speed. But that's what I think you lean into.

1:15:54You pay Devin Achan. You've got Aaron Brewer, who really exploded last year. Lean into the zone run game. Let Aaron Brewer climb to the second level. Seven Nia is fine as a run blocker. You guys should be okay on the ground. And then you just pound, pound, pound. And then you go play action, try to set up explosives, let Malik Willis do some stuff with his legs. And I think slow, it can do that. But I think the dressing of it and the creativity of it is kind of lackluster at this stage. It's funny. Cause Kevin Petulo is also there. And I, I have consistently said Malik Willis reminds me of Jalen hurts.

1:16:28Um, but Eagles fans are hearing that and being like upset. You want our 2025 offense? Yeah, because, you know, again, to kind of elaborate on what I was saying, like, you know, with Sloic and that offense, he wants to attack the middle of the field. Like, that's not Malik Willis' game. I'm not saying he's incapable of it, and I think one cool thing in Green Bay with him was you saw him evolve as a quarterback from over the – but it's just not who he – like, you know, it's similar to Hurts, where it's like his superpowers as a quarterback are those go balls outside the numbers, and then it more so than her it's more so that i mean malik willis is a special runner and this was a huge part of the reason why i was high on him in the draft and i took a lot of heat for this um and i was miss like the there's a video saying i wanted the seahawks to draft him which everybody is like points to it was day two the video is from day two and everybody pretends like it was ahead of the first round.

1:17:29Sorry to get defensive here. It was on day two and I was like, this dude's fallen. Take him in the third round. That's what I was saying. Whatever. The internet remembers everything forever. Misremembers. Yeah, misremembers. He is a really, really special runner. He is explosive. He has good vision. He is strong as hell. If that's not a massive part of this offense, what are you doing? push push it man like bring that over yeah lean into the legs and I don't care if it's design stuff I don't care if it's a big ass offensive line I'm looking at it right now outside of Brewers Caden Practor have you seen that guy he's huge huge but also explosive and can move so mash teams on the ground and then play action bootleg stuff which is Shanahan system stuff all day slow it can do that all day you get Willis on the move let him throw or just tuck it and run take advantage of the legs if you can create some explosives downfield or even on granted I know Lafleur is a good um I know he's kind of taking some flack but I still value him a lot as a play caller and designer there were some throws last year from Lequel especially in that first game that he took over against Chicago where he's hitting some outbreakers like 15 20 yards down field and the timing is perfect some of the ball placement isn't great but I was like this is real progress and then that same game he's dropping back play action nothing's there let me tuck it Let me shake this guy, run through this guy, 10 yards, nine yards here and there.

1:18:54I think there's a way for them to cobble some stuff on the ground and just kind of leaning into the legs of Willis and HN and the offensive line, which isn't a horrible way to go. I hope Chris Bell plays because I liked him a lot. Big, true X, can get you yards after the catch, really hard to bring down. I think he'd be a really nice fit with Willis if he plays. And then suddenly you're like, all right, I don't need Tutu Amo as my number two. if they have no could be that he bell was one of those dudes that as soon as you saw like him in college at louisville it was just one of those like oh yeah he looks like he's in the nfl already like he's just looks different yeah different um all right defensively oh boy it's funny because it's like um it's a funny defense because it's like bad bad bad bad and then they randomly are just stacked at linebacker oh jordan brooks was so good last year but they also have brooks Dodson they drafted everybody's favorite linebacker Jacob Rodriguez they signed Willie Gay Jr.

1:19:53I'm looking at I'm like damn y 'all like build they drafted guys I like Chris Johnson who I loved out of San Diego State at corner I mean I did not know like all right safety Lonnie Johnson Dante Trader Michael Tagg I don't know Halfley's calling the place he's their head coach they brought in Sean Dugan as a defensive coordinator I think for there's the questions I have for this defense are and this is really what matters just can you develop the young players and and have a group you feel good about can you get Chop Robison back to how he looked as a rookie can Kenneth Grant who's your first round draft pick take a step forward Zach Seeler is good we know that um can Jacob Rodriguez become a starter because that would be really helpful especially if they decide to trade Jordan Brooks which is a possibility uh can Chris Johnson hit the ground running if the answer to half of those questions is yes then that's a success this season to me because this is not a good defense that's super fair i and then tying it into halfley the packers defense especially in 2024 like they but even in last year too they had some of like really cool cover two and tampa two rotations and spins they do like inverted tampa two stuff and the safeties are holding their spot literally until the snap and you're watching Evan Williams come screaming down and McKinney and everything they were doing they had so many cool coverage rotations and looks and even some sim pressures and blitzes and then they got Parsons and I was like man this is gonna be great and then they lose Parsons and like all the the on-off splits are crazy like the whole defense fell apart which made me question Halfley significantly and now he goes to Miami where there is a talent discrepancy on this defense and so I'm not like okay how much do we get some cool designer stuff on the back end does he have the guys that can do that cool designer stuff and so I'm in a similar boat with you to just get to the the base the baseline basic level of okay you've got some young guys who could be but more importantly need to be pieces for you you need chop Robinson to be something you would it'd be great if Kenneth Grant could be something.

1:22:07Chris Johnson needs to be a guy for you. Jordan Brooks is your best defender and again was absolutely phenomenal last year. Uh, tie for six and stops first and total tackles, second and solo tackles. And then he only had a 4.6 % missed tackle rate, which was the second lowest among 94 qualifying linebackers. But if you're going to ship him out a guy who did pretty well for you and helped you kind of, let's take a pause though, because that's a, would you or because you got to have a young a core at some point i'm i'm personally going to keep i'm keeping jordan brooks yeah i would keep him i'd use him to kind of steady the ship right the ship and also there's teach jacob origa yes kind of bring him along and there was a stretch last year where and i think it was going into that the pittsburgh game in pittsburgh the dolphins kind of started to put to put a run together and it was like are they going to come back from the great and make a push to the playoffs and part of that was is this gonna happen and part of it was the defense was playing really well and a good chunk of that was Jordan Brooks week after week setting everybody up making stops against the pass and against the run at a certain point when you're rebuilding even if you're like some guys yes you need somebody to show everybody the way to be something like a light in the dark.

1:23:24And I love having a veteran linebacker. Yeah. Because he's, you know, generally it's a position that takes guys a second in the NFL. I'm not, I liked Rodriguez, but he might have his ups and downs. He probably will early on. So I feel like if there's one position, you know, where you're like, let's keep him. So then you've got Seeler, you got Brooks. Those are your two guys. Good start, yeah. And all the other stuff I talked about, the young players like let's see if we can get robson grant johnson you know juju brents is an interesting guy because he was i think he's got he's very athletic he's at points with indiana yeah he was in indiapolis i think he was like a pretty high traffic if i remember correctly it was a second rounder if i believe i liked him so much at kansas state he was so fast dude he was just such a good player and i he went to indianapolis and he had some flashes where i was like oh solid top two corner and then fell out of favor there and now he's in miami All right, let's wrap with a quick question on the Dolphins.

1:24:23What is a successful 2026 season for the Miami Dolphins look like to you? Oh, man. I think from a fan perspective, it's like getting the first pick. I think it's not. But the Willis thing is so complicated. Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Willis thing complicates. It's the one thing that makes no sense with everything else they did. No. You're like, what are we doing here? let's get rid of waddle and then like pay a chan and then bring in willis like how do we evaluate willis but would it be good if willis is a hit because then you already have your quarterback maybe and you can dip into other stuff um i think success for them is the run game continues to succeed you know and the foundation of the offense becomes hey we have a good offensive line and a top five running back and we can fit some other stuff around that that's a great place to start and then success on defense, the young guys start to take a jump, right?

1:25:15You've got, like you said, Seeler and Brooks, I think are both within your spine and both solidified guys that are good players. Be on your defense. Can you get the young guys around them to also, like you said, who becomes part of that core right now? It's Brooks and Seeler. Is it also chop and grant? Is it one of them? Is it Chris Johnson? Is it Jacob Rodriguez starting to emerge? And now it's Rodriguez and Brooks, like does Juju Brent's kind of get some more of that early Indianapolis form and Kansas state form. And you might have something at corner a little bit and you maybe him and Johnson both work out.

1:25:48It's gotta be the offensive line and the run game and HN are solid and you can build around that going forward. And then the defense, some guys start to emerge that can become part of your young core. Yeah, I think all of that. And it would be great if you watch the season from Malik Willis. First of all, what I said earlier, I think it would be great if Bobby Slovic showed some creativity in the run game in particular, because that should be the strength of this team. And then using that run game to then get those one-on-ones outside and let Willis shine and doing what he does, which is pushing the other field.

1:26:21But I think from a kind of 30 ,000-foot perspective, a great feeling as a Dolphins fan would be to see Malik Willis and think, man, even in spite of this receiving group, he still showed some stuff. So that, because he's on a super affordable contract, if he looks even decent this year, given his circumstances, I think that's a huge win because then next year you can upgrade those circumstances without having to pick quarterback and everyone else is going to want a quarterback. Imagine then you get a decent season from Willis and then you add a true right receiver one next year. And if the run game looks as good as that, to me, would be a win because this is not going to be a top 10.

1:27:01Like you just, you know, everyone's realistic about what is going on here and what he's up against. But if he shows something this year in spite of that, that would be massive. So I think that's what you're hoping for if you're a Dolphins fan. All right, Dolphins. That's got to be the most any national podcast talking about the Dolphins right now. Which is, again, a shame. Devin A. Chan is really sick on offense, and it's going to be tough. Anthony, can you tell folks where they can check out your work? Sure. Uh, you can find me on Twitter at pro underscore underscore ant. That's pro two underscores.

1:27:35A N T. You can find me on blue sky at pro ant. No underscores there. Just P R O A N T. And then I, yeah, I wanted to just play off my, uh, my first and last name. I would always annoyed at the Twitter one. Cause I just wanted to do pro ant, but apparently there already is one. And then I was like, I'll do one underscore. There was also a person with one underscore. I was like, that's a nice, I got to add two. Um, and then I, I host a show, like you mentioned at the beginning called the Sky's coverage live every Tuesday night, 9 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. And then it's uploaded to all the podcasting apps and platforms after.

1:28:04I also co-host a show called The Film Room that's on Wednesdays. Everything I do is film-based, analytics-based, X's and O's, scheme and structure, and all that kind of stuff. If you're a Bills fan, I really recommend checking out Cover 1 in general and all of the content that you guys put out is really, really good. Bills fans are blessed, man. Bills might have sneakily one of the best media, just like the bloggers and the beat reporters. Not surprising because the fans are so crazy, but there's a lot of really good stuff to listen to and read if you're Bills fans, but Cover One is certainly amongst the best.

1:28:39All right, before we wrap, as always, we will be ranking the AFC East. I'll go first to make it easier for you. Thank you. So like I said, it's obviously a tale of two halves. So Pats versus Bills, this is going to sound like a cop-out answer, but I'm going to go Bills over Pats because of the schedule. Okay. With the caveat that I think these two teams split when they play and are very evenly matched. And then Jets Dolphins, for me, is very easy. I appreciate you going first. This helps me out immensely. I'm so superstitious. It's in my social bios, not superstitious, but a little stitious, but I am very superstitious.

1:29:22Um, yeah, I'm gonna start from the bottom. So Dolphins for jets, three

1:29:31Patriots to bills. One, I just think, yeah, just, I just think the, and it's more from a sample size perspective, like you, and you even mentioned it with the bills. Even I was very frustrated with the bills offense, even at spurts last year. And it's still, any way you slice it, they were still like a top four across the entire board for all these things. So if DJ Moore is just halfway decent if don't engage just stays halfway healthy they're probably even better than they were last year and i think jim leonard raises the floor but i'm in the same boat i think they split with the patriots and i think it's close there's maybe like a one or two game difference at the top one or way i don't think they're uh or either way i don't think they're going to get too far away from each other i can just see the imaginal world in which that patriots run game is improved and the bills yeah i really want to know but these rankings aren't about playing each other We're literally trying to project how the division shakes now.

1:30:21And I just feel the Patriots schedules. Schedules a big one. Yeah. All right. Well, that's the AFC East. I will be back next week to do the NFC West. Ooh, dog fight. Big dogs. Yeah. Also, if you are a fan of Love Island, my coverage continues with David Dennis Jr. Check out viewer discretion on YouTube, wherever you get pods. Thank you, as always, to my friends at Omaha Productions who make this show. Kirsten Sivecki, Owen Saylor, Tucker Tashin, and Jack Foster.

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