Send in the Browns: Preseason QB Battles and New Offenses

32:12And to Simpson's credit, though, you know, he looked comfortable in it. Yes. Comfortable earlier, delivering the ball on time. And then in the final drive, I thought he made a couple of really nice throws. He had the soft fade to the tight end. The touchdown throw was quite nice. I will say, again, though, like, he really was not under much pressure. and they were most, for example, the Soffitt, it was against pretty simple coverages, to go back to our earlier point about, I say all of this to not say Ty Simpson isn't, you know, it's not time to apologize to Dan Hileski or whatever. But actually, to make an argument, which is, I think what I saw, Kevin, was that I'd like to see more, and I'd like to see him a bit more challenged.

33:00Because right now, everything coming out of the Rams suggests that Stetson Bennett, who played just a little bit, is their quarterback too? Maybe, but let's – I think from what we saw from Simpson week one, for me, I don't come away having a strong feeling about the pick or him. I came away thinking, let's let him compete a little more for this job. So that was my big takeaway from Ty Simpson's first preseason outing. Can I do something real quick? There's a little bit of a wind-horsed fingers in the air thing. yeah who was Stetson Bennett's college offensive coordinator who just swears by the guy and they had a rocky relationship but they end up winning national championships over and now he speaks glowingly he is a current head ball coach do you know who it is Bennett was Georgia offensive coordinator at Georgia you know I forget college football all the time who was the offensive coordinator at Georgia oh it was Munkin Todd Munkin yeah Yeah.

34:02Now, our was the opening conversation on this podcast. Should they go out and get another quarterback? I'm just gonna throw it out there. I'm just throwing it out there into the universe. Don't aggregate me. I don't know. Yeah, can't do it. Can't aggregate me. I said it legally binding. Can't do it. Can't aggregate me. All right. So with Simpson, that that's all you can do i make they did the exact right thing is is get him easy completions and get him comfortable he's playing a lot of big games dad was a coach all the cliches they're cliches for a reason they're they're true and he's gonna play that many big games when he played one year but he still played sec ball um at alabama practice every day with against a lot of great players who have made it to the nfl and so i i liked what the rams were doing um i think it's a It must be very weird for Ty Simpson to be a rookie quarterback first-round pick on a team that's favored to win a Super Bowl without you.

35:02I'm not sure I've ever seen a situation like this where a first-round pick has to come in, develop under a great offensive coach. But by the way, the expectations are we're going to win a Super Bowl with somebody else. And you may be quarterback three. I'm racking my brain for it. I don't think it's happened in a long time. I do. Well, the Cowboys took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft when they had Troy Aikman. That is, but Troy Aikman wasn't 38 years old. He was much younger than that. So that's the only analogy I can think of. You know, obviously like RG3 and Kirk Cousins were the same year.

35:37That was a different thing. I believe Andrew Luck and Chandler Harnish were drafted in the same year. Don't know if Harnish pushed Andrew Luck. I believe so. Yeah. I believe they took a quarterback with their first and first and last picks that year. Jordan Love. Jordan Love. Good thought. Yeah. I don't know. He was 27. He was 27, right? He was. And Aaron Rodgers, by the way. But I think the difference with those was that I don't think you would take those picks if you knew. That pick was during COVID, and it looked like Aaron Rodgers was not going to win two straight MVPs. So there's that part of it.

36:19Whereas Matthew Stafford, he might win the MVP again this year. So that's a great shout. It's a great call. This Rams team is better than those Packers teams. So it's a weird spot for him. But again, talking about the cliches, he checked all the boxes. He looked comfortable. He looked fine. There's nothing to get mad at, nor is there much to apologize to with our friend Dan Orlovsky. We are withholding apologies. My take is just I want to see more. I want to see the Rams challenge him. I want to see him push Stetson Bennett. I think that was kind of, you know what I mean? Because I was like, okay, you could.

36:51You passed the test one. Let's keep escalating this because why hide him? There's no point. And you know what I mean? He obviously is competent. So that was kind of my overwhelming takeaway is like, this looks good. Let's see more. Okay, so Cam Ward. Let's talk about Cam Ward next. talking about new offenses, new offensive coordinators. This was tough, tough, tough outing for Ward, for Cardinal Tate. There was a couple things I liked that have nothing to do with them. But, you know, I think I'm looking at my notes from the game. You had a few misses on RPOs, quick hitters, screens. and I think that my overwhelming takeaway from watching those misses and the Kytans often struggle a bit, the passing attack, was the timing just seemed to be off on everything right now, Kevin.

37:44It felt like Ward, the receivers, the offense, the timing was not there. So I think you follow Ward's career very closely. You know Brian Dable. What is your overarching? Do you feel like this is just they're still figuring it out because everything's new or were you discouraged by the offense overall? I wasn't discouraged. That's the wrong word. So Greg Cassell, I saw him. I watched some of what he was talking about when he was breaking on the Titans offense. And his point was they weren't running any day bowl concepts. They were being as vanilla as possible. So if you want to cope, you can start there.

38:24The issue for me is that I can't cope as a Cam Moore defender because the stuff that was easily schemed, to Ty Simpson stuff, he was just missing on. He was just missing. He was missing on the easy throws. He went 5 of 12, which is bad in a preseason if you're not attempting weird stuff. They weren't attempting weird stuff. He was missing on those throws. I don't know. My concern has always been Cam Ward is the most confident person that anyone I know has ever been around with University of Miami and in that Titans building. I've always and the pre-snap stuff is as good as anybody's ever seen from that staff last year they couldn't believe how smart he was pre-snap my concern has always been because of the way a he plays and beat the titans plays he was going to get hit at some point and lose the physical ability to do it that hasn't happened yet it hasn't happened yet I was worried at the end of the season last year with the shoulder he obviously had the shoulder injury that he had in week 18 he seems to be fully rehabbed from that but hopefully there's no physical lingering infection from that that that week 18 injury but i i just something seemed off last weekend and i don't know if that's you know not as good an off season as he could have had as far as far as the injury goes um from week 18 i don't know if that's um just you know this figuring out a new offense trying to clock stuff trying to assess his limits i mean like i don't get mad at preseason and practice interceptions because a lot of the greats have those because they're testing their limits and saying hey i want to be able to you know throw in front of this linebacker's face and see if the receiver is gonna gonna fight for it over the middle that stuff happens all the time but straight up missing and just going in the dirt that gives me a little more pause i've sold none of my cam ward stock um all the reports out of training camp itself the practices are unbelievable as far as brian dable and cam wards chemistry uh somebody told me the other day that in practice cam ward doesn't stand with the quarterbacks he stands with the receivers because he wants instant feedback and that that really impresses day bowl and it's really cool and so i think there's still a lot going for cam ward uh i just you know as someone who will defend him at literally in every situation i hated to watch the game over the weekend and go oh this is gonna hurt my propaganda arm it's okay it's preseason week one it's fine i will say i just love propaganda I love agendas, Mina.

40:56I can't even do like the, the, this wasn't the Bracco starting defense to that. Also her a bit. It's like, this is okay. It's the Niners. It's there's backup substation. Was it a substation? Maybe it was a subset substation transitive property. I don't know, but the whole thing had to look, it needs to look better than this. I really want to see more of Tate. You know, I talked about Concepcion being my wide receiver too. Like I, I thought I was not particularly impressed by him in this first outing. and you, this is, you know, that, that pick has to work. Um, yeah, just looking at my notes off the game, the inaccurate on the short stuff, a few plays where he held the ball too long, took the sack.

41:33Oh yeah. I was going to mention the shack, the sack. That was really disappointing because that was the one where he backed up for 10 yards and then took the sack on like the first snap that you're trying to get that out of his system. And he did it on the first, one of the first snaps. So, you know, I think, okay. Yeah. So basically, obviously we want to see more from him. I think more from the receivers. I will say I thought the offensive line looked pretty good, particularly run blocking. There was a few moments that I thought were really nice. So not all a bad review for the Titans offense week one, but there was also a great Wandale block early on that caught my eye.

42:17So I think I'm trying to come up with coat. Wanda Robinson had a great block on a duo run. It's, yes, this is one I'm going to be monitoring closely because if it doesn't look better, and I think they're going to have to play, but to me, I think the overarching diagnosis, aside from Ward not taking bad sacks and hitting his checkdowns, is just timing on the quick hitting stuff has to improve. And I want to see more from Tate. Let's get to a couple of established offenses now. because I think, you know, one of the big changes is there's a lot of new play callers from the Shanahan tree, new homes.

42:58And we got to see some of them, including the new look Eagles offense. So again, this was not Jalen hurts. This was not, you know, the starting offense, but it looked bad. Uh, God, this podcast has been so negative. I want to talk about something. no way I have a lot of positive on the Eagles offense okay so I will say going back and looking at the notes um I actually this was one of the ones where I felt maybe they were not prepared for the Ravens offense going so hard so we're talking about like defenses you and I got like defenses that went vanilla versus defenses like the Flores one against New York.

43:45This my actual takeaway was like, oh my God, Jesse Minter is like kind of throwing along with them right now. And I was surprised by that in terms of blitzing and disguise. But they blew up a lot of plays. A lot of the bad plays were actually, I thought, great plays by Ravens defenders who are also a lot of backups, you know, but I think I didn't watch this and think the Eagles offense. This is going to be horrible. It's a nightmare. There was, you know, there was some penalties. There was a blitz. They didn't, a couple of blitzes that they didn't pick up. There was an amazing play by Keon Martin to blow up a sweep.

44:22So I, I don't know. I didn't, I was not in panic mode after this. I'll just say that. You couldn't even find a receiver duo block to, to shout out. You couldn't even do that. Like you could with Wanda Robinson. All right. So Eli Stowers had a very display hold on it. Yeah, I saw the Eli Stowers thing. Withholding judgment on Eli Stowers. I like him. So one thing I like, I went to practice two weeks ago. And when I was there, I mean, I changed my NFC East pick from Cowboys to the Eagles. Now, part of it is a roster thing. because I think that we've glossed over how much talent the Eagles actually have.

45:03And there's guys like Jalen Carter and Quincy on Metro and Jordan, my lot and Lane Johnson and Saquon Barkley and Devante Smith and so many exact bond where they'd be the second best player on a lot. It seems that we try to put in the Super Bowl conversation. And I think it's the deepest roster that, I mean, it might even be a deeper roster than the ramps. I don't think that they have more gold jackets. And I still think the Rams probably win for a few other reasons. But it's number two with a roster. And there's an argument we made. It's number one. And when I got there, I realized there's so many things that the Eagles just got away from.

45:47And this happens sometimes. I think that when Jalen Hurts has a lot of success, Saquon's there. you're you're promoting from within all that stuff had the same had the same head ball coach stuff just happens stuff just astrophies a little bit and there wasn't enough motion and now you're seeing the uh the under center part right obviously very important and now you're seeing what i thought was interesting was the quotes coming out of the eagles so they're going to try to get to line really quickly and there's a couple of things going on there offensively i don't know if you design your radar but number one is the offensive line is saying that it's a much more offensive line friendly offense than what was going on before because they're just lining up and going the previous regime was about the chess matches up front which is fine but you're you would get to the line and then you do 15 seconds and then the eagles their number of plays that that uh were snapped with one second left from the shot that this playcock uh was astronomical last year and it was because they were waiting and part of it is that defenses are disguising what their coverage is until the last second.

46:51So you're waiting for that chess match. The Eagles are going the other way and saying, screw it. We're going to get to the line early and we're going to snap it right now. And I thought that was, there were some numbers in the athletic that were absolutely astounding about how, how little that's happening where we're saying, you know what? Spot the ball, bang, we're going. And I kind of like it. I kind of like it for Jalen Hurts. And I also kind of like it when you have the talent advantage is they're going to have the talent advantage on about 15 of 18 weeks. And they go out there and say we're the aggressor we're gonna punch you in the face is a really good approach i think we're gonna see more of that around the league generally teams playing faster more tempo as a counter to all the disguise you talked about like all right you you know you're not gonna have the opportunity now to change the picture on us because we're gonna be dictating to you by playing faster i mean that's the thing about the eagles offense right like all of these trends that they're leaning into are the general trends around the league the question i think is not whether or not it's a good idea from a NFL trends or meta perspective, but rather whether they can execute them.

47:52And then, and I think, you know, there's a chance it looks a little ugly early on. And again, these weren't the starters, whatever, but like there might be a lot of penalties at the beginning. Like there were in this game, there might be some challenges overall and the offense might not look as good as the defense, which I think is going to be incredible until halfway through the season. And I don't know. I, All I wish is to say, after going back, I saw a lot of panic. I saw the numbers. Went back and watched. Yes, it looked bad. But my general takeaway was a lot of that. Of course, obviously, Hurts didn't play, yada, yada.

48:27A lot of that had to do with the Ravens defense. And Jesse Minter just decided to go out. Yes, but I also just don't think it – everybody's so established. They're not going to show anything in the preseason. Nobody has much to prove. I just couldn't get that worked up about being slow. It's actually maybe now that I think about it more generally, it was sort of the merging of two trends I've noticed in preseason football in general. One, which was as there have been more Shanahan tree play callers and more offenses are pivoting to that style. There was a lot of under center week one. I pulled the numbers for NFL Live today, like 45%.

49:17Joe Burrow. Yeah, Joe Burrow, we're going to get to the Bengals. Way more than the NFL average, way more than past preseasons. So that necessarily lends itself to some awkwardness in terms of like the transition as these offenses are in transition. And then on the flip side, I noticed defenses being a little bit more exotic in the preseason. Talked about two of them with Flores and the Ravens. The Ravens honestly took me more by surprise because I just didn't think Jesse Minter would want to show this much, I guess, early on or experiment with it. So I think maybe with some of these offenses meeting some of these defenses, there might be a mismatch in terms of like, okay, the defenses are a little bit ahead because the offenses are all sort of in the transition to a different version that we're going to see during the regular season.

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52:55You know, so there's been a lot of conversation about, you know, Burrow taking the sacks and the Bengals offensive line and this and that. and I'm not one of them was a tough look for the left tackle but um the other one was an under center rep where they was just like a two-man concept and the um they ran a great stunt it's fine whatever the bigger thing to take away from this Bengals preseason outing is what you just highlighted which is they had him under center I have seven of 13 snaps which is over obviously 50 % of the time. This is the Bengals offense that last year was 19 % under center, the second lowest rate in football.

53:36Clearly, there is going to be a sea change. And unlike Washington or Philadelphia, Bengals don't have a new play caller. They didn't bring in a Shanahan guy. This, to me, Kevin, seems like a very deliberate change in this offense that as efficient as it's been has not been explosive these last two years so this appears to be their way or there'll be other things but they clearly have recognized or self-scouted and felt they need to evolve um what do you think about that generally and you know like like i said i'm not going to take away too much from preseason two drives but i do think it's notable that in the preseason they were like we are going to rep this because this is going to be our identity now well the preseason rep part of it i think is just shows you how hard it is i mean that's the one thing to make that adjustment and to say we're going to do under center we don't do this very often we've done we've started the season doing it and then we've abandoned it a couple of times yeah um i i think that it just shows you the operation is hard to pin down so you might as well work on it in preseason that's what it's for the explosion part of it is interesting because one thing when you talk to the staff down there in cincinnati is they've been impressed at joe burrow's ability to take what the defense gives him in all situations and so that meant understanding how to work outside the numbers and throwing deep uh the the during his breakout season then they do the two high looks and all of a sudden you're slicing and dicing your a dot drops and you're still getting that production just in a different way.

55:17I wonder now if we're not talking about the Eagles, the Bengals, the same way we're talking about the Eagles, in the sense that they've flipped it and said, instead of taking what the defense gives us, let's be the aggressor again. And that was the one thing you were hearing about. I talked to Declan Doyle last week in Baltimore, and all he talked about was applying pressure on the defense over and over and over again. And that means explosive plays. and we've gotten away from explosives. There was a Ted Wynn article the other day that I thought was really interesting in The Athletic. It was basically like defensive coordinators say two eyes never going away because the DCs just will live with do whatever.

55:58If you don't get an explosive play, the fans of scoring are so much less. Correct. And so literally in the article, a defensive coach was like, we will literally allow seven to eight yard runs. Now, maybe not in every snap, but they're fine with that. as long as you can do that. And so, what I was going to say is I think teams are now going to have to swing the pendulum back. Like, hey, these defenses aren't changing. The chess match isn't swinging back to us. We got to find explosives on our own. Yeah, and we do that by forcing the defenses to respect the ground game through formation and personnel.

56:32The other thing we saw in addition to Burrow under center, more 12, I think that's something that the Bengals really want to do is put an extra tight end on the field and try to get some one-on-ones for their wide receivers. That, to me, whether or not they are able to actually pull that off is going to go a long way towards determining whether they can get back to being as explosive as they want to be. Explosive, I said they weren't, but to put some numbers on it, last year they were 27th, not last year, pardon me, in 2024, they were 27th in 20-yard completion rate. Last year with Joe Bergerback, it was 20th.

57:08So you shouldn't be that low with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins. And I think they're trying to find ways to do that. So, you know, that was my general takeaway from the Bengals. Like, oh, this is going to be a changed offense. But of course, like you said, they've tried that before and kind of given up. So I think the question is just, will they actually stick with it? Okay, so those are the main things I wanted to talk about. Is there any, like, any other preseason notes you want to dump? Anyone who impressed you? I just finished watching the Bills and Panthers. Spoiler alert, Josh Allen's still awesome.

57:41DJ Moore was doing some things for them. The takeaway I had, the Panthers' offense is not great. The defense, though, they really got what they paid for with Jalen Phillips and Devin Lloyd. Holy mackerel. They're really good football players. I love what the Panthers have been able to do. That's a team. Don't worry about the Browns. That's a team. Nobody get mad. That's a team that's a great quarterback away from winning a lot of games. um nobody get mad not allowed to get mad uh and what i but that's bryce young is not gonna win the super bowl uh thinking about it you know i i do want to talk about uh we're recording this on monday afternoon the giants are bringing in naji harris and what i thought was interesting so i said on tv this morning that tyron tracy might lose his job over this and i had all these giants fans were mad at me and that's just part of the business i didn't care they were like they're not going to cut Tyrone Tracy.

58:31Maybe they won't. I don't know. But John Harbaugh has changed. He completely blew a blitz pickup. Yes, I'm sorry. I'm going to give the context here. He completely whiffed on the pass protection rep that got Jackson Dart driven into the turf. So, all of these giants are saying, Tyrone Tracy is too good to cut. The whole point of bringing in John Harbaugh is to cut guys like Tyrone Tracy. And I'm not saying he's bad or anything like that. I'm just saying that if you're not they're going to keep the main thing the main thing which is changing the organization and it John Harbaugh said it on Sunday it was most basic protection you've got and you whiffed and one of the Tyrone Tracy explanations was that he heard something his eyes went to the other side of the play and he didn't see the guy coming right at him we need a little more awareness from that so I just think that there's a misunderstanding of what John Harbaugh was brought in to New Jersey to do it's to change everything about the the giants have had success mina when bill parcells whatever will be the organization what to do and george young and ernie accorsi and tom coughlin that's what it is and john harbaugh is the next in line there is not when pat shirmer comes in and just kind of says we're classy organization we're gonna do the status quo or ben mcadoo or any of these guys, right?

59:50They need a guy like John Harbaugh to change everything. And so the one thing that we always talk, don't, these fans need to be excited for John Harbaugh changing their organization. Oh, you can't cut this guy. He can cut anybody except for about five guys who are blue chippers. That roster is closer than people think, but it needs a guy like John Harbaugh. Yeah, it was a pretty bad rep. Dart took another sack that was more on him. I do well say like the same thing applies to the Giants offense that it does to what I said about the Eagles which is the Vikings defense like really trying um I thought you know I the the my big takeaway from kind of watching and then by the way Jackson Dart followed that with a sick out of structure played about like I feel looks like a dude Giants fans very important um this is going to be a ground and pound offense yeah the thing that caught my eye and I know you know neighbors isn't in and all that but Patrick Card was on the field like half the time when dart was out there they the Giants had probably a handful of snaps with multiple backs on the field last year they're going to use the fullback they're going to run the ball they're going to try to play action off of it so there's going to be an identity that's you know pretty different I think from what we saw last year and whether or not that works out uh you know i think neighbors presence is pretty important for determining what the ceiling is but i do think they're going to lean really hard into trying to be like a physical ground game with the fullback as a big part of that so uh i want to just quickly say this so every before you have kids everybody thinks that all of their conversations you hear from parents about what their toddler says are made up like it's like there's no way somebody said that there's no way a three-year-old said that didn't happen happens all the time on twitter was my three-year-old said this and everybody's like no it didn't the other day my son walked into my room and said just completely earnestly daddy are the new york giants bad out of nowhere out of nowhere i have no idea who he talked to he is three years old i have we live in giants country so at some point somebody may have worn a giant shirt and then somebody said the giants are bad and then it came from there, but he literally came to me and said, are the giants bad?

1:02:18And I didn't, I said, that's a complicated question. So is it, we're changing the culture, Mina. Uh, yeah. Uh, I, I, I really hope many neighbors gets back, but I do think, Oh, CC Malino, by the way, moving people first round pick. Let's go. The other players look good. Arvon Reese looks sick. There definitely are talented young players. And like I said, I do think that there is going to be an identity shift on offense that was signaled by some of the choices in this game. And Malachi Fields, listen, if he ends up – he was getting in there as a blocker too. If they hit on a few of these players in this draft class, I think at least the bones are in place for something, I think, maybe not this year, but in the coming years.

1:03:10But yeah, that was a bad, that was a tough one. It wasn't Darts' fault, so at least there's that. All right. Well, these quarterback competitions continue. We'll be covering them. Hopefully, we'll get to see Michael Panix Jr. at some point. Kevin Clark, where can folks find your preseason coverage? This is football. Training camp stops everywhere across the Midwest and the East Coast on TV this week. I believe it's the Commanders and the Ravens, Jaden Daniels, before his latest news turn, we talked, Declan Doyle, Derek Henry, Dan Quinn, Sonny Stiles as well. Really good interviews from the last episode of that.

1:03:52And then we're doing, now that we're back, not doing camp starts, we're going to get a lot of journalists on all that stuff, do some camp recap stuff. It's going to be really fun. And then I'm also on first take Monday, Wednesday, Friday this week. I was on with Dan Orlovsky this morning, and I haven't looked at the schedule, but I'm sure it'll be on a bunch of NFL live people the rest of the week. Nice. I love it. Why don't you come all with me? Happily. You're not that early. Happily. All right. Come on down. Let's do some takes. Later this week, as I mentioned, we'll be doing the AFC North.

1:04:23So that's our last division preview. Ultimately, this was actually a pretty AFC North-heavy podcast because of the Brows and the Bengals, but more to dive in there. If you're a Steelers fan, you're listening, and you're like, why didn't you talk about the Drew Aller masterclass? We'll get to that when we talk about the Steelers. I alluded to the Ravens defense being kind of funky. We'll get to that, too. So promise more coverage coming your way, and I'll be back next week to talk about, hopefully, some more quarterbacks. Thank you, as always, to Omaha Productions, Kirsten Sebecki, Owen Saylor, Tucker Tash, and Jack Foster.

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