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37:08Yeah. Quentin Johnson, famously, Puka Nakua. so you know i don't know ben like i i don't think i was trying to see if like there i'd come up with like you know a height or this or like big guys and it's just kind of all over the map so i think your point earlier about like the what can be taught and can it be improved is important and that's something you got to figure out with conception like if i'm a team drafting him i would want him to like talk me through what happened here explain to me you know and and how are you working on getting better at that um okay wait you had boston and then cooper in the same order as me i had yeah conception is four to me boston is five tear break cooper six okay

37:49i part of me wanted to have boston higher because i do think he is being discussed in a way that is not true to who he is or at least doesn't capture his skill set which is people are talking about him like he's keon coleman candidly yeah and he's just sending him to the bills which i feel like there's going to be like big he on colvin flashbacks if he goes there i there's a team that i want boston to land on let's talk about him as a player before i talk about the team because i think it's important context so denzel boston is massive six foot four two or nine thirty two inch arms and it shows up he is a vacuum cleaner like he he catches everything just sucks it up uh he's got really nice body control as well but just play strength test the catch ability that you're drafting him to score touchdowns at Washington.

38:41He was very productive, although productivity tailed a little bit as defenses started kind of queuing in on him. I'm a Huskies fan, so I watched that very closely. But even that said, he 79 % of his catches went for a first down or a touchdown, which is really good. And he was very good against man coverage. I would argue he is. He's smoother than he is given credit for. And that's why I would put him closer to Tadarola McMillan. He's not as good as him, but I'm just saying he's closer. If you're talking about big guys, you don't really separate. To me, he's more similar to McMillan than he is to Coleman.

39:23Very good understanding of space. I actually really like him against zone coverage. There's a lot of instances on tape where he's able to sit down and vacate his zones, make himself a quarterback-friendly target. He's really good with the ball in his hands. He's not, you know, a burner, but he's plenty fast for his size. But, you know, he is not an elite separator. And I think that is scaring teams just because last few years, there's some examples of big receivers who can't separate that, that making teams worried. But he is a true X. And, you know, none of the guys that at this point that we were talking about really fit that profile, Ben.

39:57Yeah. I have the same experience watching Denzel Boston film that I had watching Drake London film, which is that, yes, I understand he's not running away from anybody. Yes, I understand he's not separating. Do you notice how he keeps winning the catch point? And when I say winning the catch point, I'm not talking about Boston's hands are here, Corner's hands are here, and he's just running off the rim. No, the box out is excellent. He sees it very, very fast. He knows how to position himself, both the downfield, oh, jump ball in the red zone stuff, but also intermediate breaking stuff. He knows how to flatten the routes and lean the routes back to the quarterback.

40:26He knows how to go upfield and create a spot down the upfield shoulder. He sees the deep middle safety when he's tracking it down the field, and he anticipates that guy's jump and gets in position. Like Boston is a true ball winner. Like Drake London, T Higgins, that caliber of guy when the ball's in the air. And then he's great with middle of the field. He's really, really, really good. Right. I, when I was reading Boston's scouting reports and, uh, uh, Lance Irland NFL network wrote down poop and a cool for him. And I was like, Whoa, my gosh, like, I've not thought about that at all. But one of his points was just the toughness winning over the middle of the field, win through contact, just to a runner.

41:01He's smoother than he is fast, but he's so big and he's so great at addressing the ball. I was like, oh, I understand the sort of tree we're barking up here, right? I like, you brought up T-Mac. T-Mac has the same thing where people see T-Mac and think, oh, vertical, never a breaking route. No, with Drake Lennon, with T-Mac both, you want these guys on breaking routes because they have that wonderful basketball ability. Think about like a low man establishing position in the post to create that void in the middle of the field, the corner hanging on their back. They just hang the ball out here.

41:24I promise you all win it. He's got that skill. The Illinois game is the one where there's so many great moments over the middle, the crosser over the middle of the field where he settles into the zone and then he stays on his feet after contact. Actually, I think decent route running. I don't know. I just feel like he's become really underrated maybe because it doesn't seem like you hear as much about teams falling in love with him. I'll say the same thing I said about T-Mac. If you've got a big guy who catches everything, do we stop liking that in the NFL? Which brings me to the team that I want to take him.

41:59Okay. I want the Las Vegas Raiders to trade back into the first round and get Fernando Mendoza the ex-receiver he deserves. The best throw in Fernando Mendoza's arsenal is that beautiful back shoulder ball that's on the money. He needs a big-bodied receiver who catches everything. Also, you know, that's obviously. I just, it's such a missing component right now in their offense. They got a bunch of little guys. Jalen Naylor, right? Jack Bash. Like, that room is all season. Drop Austin in there and just, just leave with me in this. Imagine this. Would you not feel so much better as a Raiders fan?

42:40If that was your wider season? He needs that. He needs his Elijah Surratt. I know exactly what you're saying. Rookie to rookie on back shoulders, like a buddy, we better get in training camp on day one and start figuring it out. Right. Especially when they don't have the experience together. Nah, I don't. I agree. But I think about right. I mean, like T was that way with burrow, right? Where burrow really needed to have that throw as a young quarterback because so much of what made burrow good was, okay, I'm going to alert to this. I have this one-on-one. We got to be able to hit this throw highly consistently.

43:04And that was not Chase's cup of tea, but it really was teased. And so I like that. I agree with you that, that in terms of how Mendoza plays, where a lot of it is pre-snap decision-making. And then in particular, that thing to that best throw that he has is pinning up on the back shoulder. Absolutely. I think Boston can be that for you. Boston, like I wish he was used more on back shoulders than he was at Washington in the sense of like, I wonder if it's not a, a, a throw that he's super comfortable with, or if that was just a function of the offense. There's no, not really one way to tell. I agree with you that.

43:31I feel like Boston's been weirdly falling. I think like combine wise, like, you know, the no pads day, everything is televised. Doesn't run. And right. He was like, you're watching those, those, those guys run. And then you're watching the drills. Boston is without a question. Stiffer than the top guys is different than some other guys belong to like, it takes him an extra step or two to piddle patter out of, out of some of those breaks and snap back to the quarterback. If you're asking him to do a ton of that, then you're the knucklehead, right? It's not his game, but that I think is what's leading to the fall is that stiffness.

43:59and yeah, you know, we've all been our J.J. I think a white side where we just thought a guy was always going to win the ball and they stopped winning the ball and then that limits the dude. And so I understand the tepidness and the fear, but like to me, having Omar Cooper above him, I disagree because I think the ceiling on Boston is remarkably high. I cannot stress how much better as someone who watched Artega, white side, like in college, I cannot stress how much better that's a Boston state. Okay. Cooper Jr. is, he's kind of interesting because he's kind of like halfway between Lemon in Boston.

44:30Six foot 204 was incredibly productive, of course, with Fernando Menposa as part of the championship offense. Touchdown machine. Crucially, yards after catch is the name of the game. 502 yards after the catch. Wins after the catch, too. I would say a different way from Lemon. He's got really nice pull-away. He's another smooth player. Nice pull-away speed. Great play strength. He doesn't have elite top speed like your Concepcion, but he moves plenty good at his size. Really nice contact balance. I think that's the thing that jumped out to me the most. I'm looking at the national championship. He had some really nice moments staying on his feet, Alabama game as well.

45:15He's another, I wrote, quarterback's best friend type. I think there are some limitations based on the... Some of it is kind of similar to Mendoza. It's like the offense is what the Indiana offense asked of its receivers, but he is not, I struggled to find the elite trait, right? Like he's got good hands. He's a good mover. He's good on his feet. He's good enough at running routes, but there's nothing where I was like, that's his calling. Like Boston's calling card is the contested catch ability. Lemon's calling card is the contact balance, frankly, the toughness and the hands too. Concibz Jones is the speed.

45:57Cooper Jr. I just think is kind of good at a lot of things. So that was kind of where I came down on him. He's a great wide receiver, too, but there's some limitations. Cooper, the lack of elite trait, A, Bs across the board, is the exact right way. He is extremely likable. He does a ton of the little things right. He is wicked tough. He was clutch for Indiana in critical moments. Penn State game, that final drive, multiple receptions. like, you know, there's so much intangible to like about Omar Cooper. He's very modular, right? So you like him a lot on Shanahan and McVay offenses where you're going to be, you know, lined up as the X, then you're going to be motioning across as this guy, and then you're going to be in the backfield doing God knows what, and you got to be able to run a dig from everywhere.

46:41Like, the versatility, the overall well-rounded game, I think it works very nicely. I was a big like, hey, Rams pass on Mekhi Lemon at 13 to take Omar Cooper in round two guy until we found out that Omar Cooper apparently is also going like 18 overall. And like, you know, it sounds like moment wise, he's going to be a first round pick now. People talk about like, I see names like Rasheed Rice throwing around with him. Keebo Samuel throwing around with him. Jarvis Landry throwing around with him. I just think, yeah. And that's just to me, like, I don't see that caliber of tackle breaking. But wax.

47:13I understand he's tough, but in terms of like overall play strength, I think it's one of his better traits. But to me, like I wrote down Brandon Ayuk more as a like, all right, you have enough toughness to work in the middle of the field, but ideally you're playing in more space than that, right? Now, Ayuk was a late first round player who had like that hugely one explosive season there with San Francisco. Light bulb went on for him as a route runner. Obviously, like, you know, Ayuk's career has now been affected by injuries and whatever else is going on. But that 1 ,300 yard season is like super, super peak, but I would expect from Cooper in the league.

47:42I think he's going to take a very consistent wide receiver two, three in the league. He can block for you. He can, like I said, line up in a ton of different spots. But if we're talking about, you know, field stretching as the wide receiver three, really creating like plus yards after the catch as the screen guy. I just think that there are role players who are more suited to those jobs, whereas Cooper is going to be better as, you know, wearing a bunch of different hats over the course of you. Like Michael Pittman style, like Aiyuk style to me, that's more so the player he is. I

48:15don't. I do think there's a decent drop off after that. Well, you had another player in your next year. Yeah, I have two with Cooper, which is Jeremy Bernard. You had him. Okay, Jeremy Bernard is another guy who's like, just like pretty good at everything. Yeah. And the thing about Bernard that, like, I think that I'm right next to Cooper. Again, I think we're very good at everything. Testing-wise, quite similar. Bernard is a real plus blocker. Bernard will go get you a linebacker, right? He'll put his face mask into his chest and move him. And so I think that the teams that want to be able to play through receivers and need an impactful guy to kind of create in the running game.

48:48I think you're going to see Bernard be valuable there. Bernard also, like, you know, transferred Michigan State to Washington, then followed DeBoer to Alabama. Like, everywhere he's been productive. Different quarterbacks. Like, this is, again, very Eddie Steady. And then Antonio Williams out of Clemson is one that I watched late, where just you go back to 2024 when that whole offense was coming a little better. I mean, if you tell me Lemon in the first round or Williams ended from round two being round three, like, it's Williams every single time. Very, very twitched up. uh hands are definitely less consistent than lemon probably more consistent than conception the same thing as conception though like we'll drop something stupid very next play he's like riding a florida state safety shoulders to make a catch away from his frame in the end zone like super duper tough they were getting the ball behind line of scrimmage ball carries he threw a touchdown this year against unc like he's got the uh the gadgety sort of ability to him the return man in space ability to him he's he's a guy like quite a bit i would say that then I'm not tearing them after that, but the next there's a group of just guys who are gigantic and run super fast and are flawed otherwise.

49:48Chris Brazel being the one who's probably going to go the highest out of Tennessee. I mean, he just flies 6 '5". He's skinny though, 200 pounds at his size. You know, I mean, Ben and I alluded to this, but it's very hard to know how to evaluate any Tennessee receivers, Tay, because they're asked to run like three routes um he's got some i would say though beyond the straight line speed there is some like when he runs comebacks there's there's some his ability to sink at his size is actually pretty impressive um but i don't know man uh and then chris bell out of louisville six foot two 220 but again very fast at his size ted hearse georgia state six foot four ran like a four four and then the the one that is just, I'll throw in there as a late round.

50:37Because this to me, it's like, do you want Chris Brazel in the second round, or would you take Bryce Lane on day three? Yeah. Lance I like flat out more than I like. Yeah, yeah. I like Lance more than I like Brazel. I like Lance more than I like Ted Hurst. Like, Lance to me is the one who, if I want the Christian Watson style guy, it's the school comp, but still, that's the dude. Six foot three, 210 pounds, ran a 434. And then I'm not going to lie to you and say I watched a bunch of the FCS tape the games but um so I don't have a strong take on him but just the clips I've seen it it is like an alien honestly like he moves like an alien it's crazy how fast he is at his size uh so I I don't yeah I'll have to I'll think that was but anyways to me it's like branch takes five foot eight 180 80 pounds.

51:30USC to Georgia. Yeah. I like the USC receiver too. What's his name? Lane. Jacoby Lane. Yeah. I mean, if we're talking, you know, after the second round, but I don't know. I think it's the thing I'll say is like, I actually really like this as if there were teams like Kansas City and Miami drafting at the end of the first, I think there's going to be some really interesting options for them at receiver if they want to go in that direction. And yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. That was long. Come back where I spend less time. Oh my God, I had no idea that that was 54 minutes. This episode is powered by GNC.

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54:29Prescription required. Always consult your doctor to determine if this product is right for you. All right, we're back. We're really going to only just talk about one tight end in great detail because only one. Is there any world in which someone other Kenyan Sadiq goes in the first round? Yeah, I don't think so either. And I think that's correct. I'll start that by saying I haven't ranked them. Like I said, it's Sadiq. And then it's a bunch of guys who have very different skill sets. And it really comes down to what role you need in your offense. But let's talk about Sadiq. so lit up the combine put up like historic athletic numbers which confirmed that he would be a first round pick despite the fact that he was not that productive in college and and not that productive in a way that's pretty rare for a tight end to be talked about as a first round prospect um a lot of it when you when you watch has to do with just the dispersion of targets in Oregon's offense, the way he was used.

55:24But yeah, just not a real... There would be... I should look this up historically. It would be pretty unusual, frankly, for a player to be drafted in the top 15. I got you. 13 tight ends to go in the first round in the last 15 years. The lowest in terms of receiving yards per game over the course of their career is OJ Howard, 32.3. Kenyon Sadiq is 21.1. He would be two-thirds of the lowest, which was OJ Howard, who very famously did not walk in the league and start lighting things on fire. Now, played by Terrence Ferguson, who was around to pick a tight end, played in an offense that was very much so RPO-oriented.

56:00It's hard to get the tight end involved in that. And so, like, you know, I can explain it away in a lot of different ways. It's still 21 receiving yards per game over the course of his career. So let me ask you this. Is it defensible? What is it about his tape that makes it defensible for a team to take a tight end who was not productive in a way that's pretty unique and also small because he is he's six foot three 245 so he he is not the prototype in size we already talked about the athleticism what do you think would justify the pick what what about his tape that you saw if you feel that way maybe you don't so penn state 2024 they do a little uh uh red zone designer play they hit him on a wheel and he catches the ball up the sideline on the wheel it's a little bit away from his frame safety's coming down, found the wheel late to go just light him up like a Christmas tree.

56:51And Sadiq sees him, just hurdles him, and then walks into the end zone. And at that point, I'm in, right? What's on Sadiq's film? I stood next to him at the NFL combine, and I told Dave Gettleman. I was like, just look at him, honestly, the size of him. 6 '3", 240. He is a dense dude, right? He is broad, right? Because 240, like Aranda Gadsden is like 6 '5", 240. You get a little bit lanky for the position. It's hard to move, guys. Sadiq's got a good, thick frame. He's probably not going to be able to get much bigger because the 240 is kind of max now with that frame can hold but in general like he has bulk and then he's got freedom of movement and he's got excellent long speed it's the seam ball against Rutgers that he catches it's that extension like for me at tight end it's much harder than people realize I think to like have like your tight end be a feature part of your receiving game right we always say with these 240 pound tight ends oh like I say elect they will walk in and it's like you know 80 targets and no like they always have like you know, like 60 and they catch 40 balls.

57:44They go for 400, 500 yards. Like it's very hard to feature the tight end in your receiving game a lot of Travis Kelsey. So if I'm going to draft the tight end on his receiving value early, you better be able to have that sort of ceiling or be able to create explosives for me. Think George Kittle, like Kittle has those games that like four catches, 72 yards and a touchdown. There aren't a lot of tight ends doing that. Sadiq, you know, play action offense is a good enough walker. And then a such a good in space and downfield player that Like to me, you can get two targets, 40 yards in a score from Kenyon Sadiq in his rookie season.

58:14And that's before he gets better as a blocker, which I think he can, and start to earn more high target self-hunting option routes on third down, which I think he can. So it's like what I see on his film, I saw 4.39 under 240 pounds. And that's that, and then I blacked out. The play action point is really impressive because I do think a lot of the justification for taking him in the first round, despite the size and the production or lack thereof, is that he can play, he can stay on the field. And, you know, we talk so much about, like, these offenses evolving and multiple tight ends and the ability to get teams to play nickel and run on them or base and throw on them.

58:52But, you know, unless you have an actual tight end who can line up in line, you're somewhat limited in that regard. Or if you're having to limit the way you use him and he can only play in the slot or as a move tight end or whatever, Like he is not at this point in his career, like I would even say a plus blocker. He's just, he's just good. He's like, he's a solid college blocking tight end, but that's enough for me to feel pretty good combined with the receiving skills and the speed to start envisioning him in an offense like a Baltimore's, which doesn't need a tight end by the way, badly. And it needs somebody who can block at the tight end position as well.

59:30Right. Because Mark Anderson's been doing that. and Charlie Kohler left the same way that Josh Oliver left. It makes a lot of sense. I do think he was underutilized in college, and there were flashes. I mean, you know, he talked about the seam. There's some really impressive catches. There's like in the Minnesota game, and there's like three or four just like real. I think that was the game where he caught the ball on his knees with the defender like riding him on the back. Like he's got really, really good hands, decent catch radius for his size, although the lack of size does show up. I really like him.

1:00:05I don't think he is like a Brock Bowers or a big Brock. He's just not there for me because of the size mostly, to be honest, because he does show up in moments. It really does. Versus certain defensive linemen when he's blocking and also on catches downfield. But I do think in the right offense, he can be productive immediately because he is an all-around tight end. And behind him, there's just no one. And like Stowers, Eli Stowers out of Vanderbilt is seen, I think, pretty widely as tight end two right now. Not comparable in terms. I mean, he's just he's. There was reporting today that a lot of teams are working about like legit wide receiver.

1:00:43Like that's because he just is he cannot block and you cannot put him in a position where he needs to block 10, 15 times a game. He kind of just like throws himself. Stowers. does. The thing I will say about Stowers to, well, okay, before we get to Stowers, let's talk about destinations for Sadiq. It really feels like his draft range should be somewhere between like 22 and 24. Like, I feel like whatever number is between those two, whatever team it is that has that pick, that just makes the most sense for Kenny and Sadiq. I will say, if I'm Baltimore and Yawane and Tyson are gone, I would consider it for sure at 14.

1:01:20Because it is a real, and it's also, you talked about his ability to win the seams. That is where Lamar Jackson wants to live. And so you have a really nice match potentially between your quarterback and the player.

1:01:34Tampa, if you don't like any of the edges there, it's a sneaky one I would throw out. No, no, no, no, no. Panthers at 19 to me is like a spot. Tommy Trumbull's got one year left. They have a kind of crowded room with Trumbull, Jatavian Sanders and Mitchell Evans. But to me, like Dave Canales is one of the guys that I hold a really high regard in terms of it's third and six at the 40 we need something schemed up and then they just have such a good ability to generate one guy open and sadiq i very much want to land with a i scheme up my guys sort of a coach right now like let's go get to our kenny and sadiq bucket um eagles at 23 in all seriousness i think makes an absolute ton of sense uh you get the ability to play him in the backfield a little bit with hurts with saquon with kenny and sadiq you're just presenting a lot of ball carries who are tough to bring down right in terms of physicality and in terms of explosiveness as you get rid of the ball quickly, stick in your RPO game.

1:02:22And so 23 there and then like, yeah, 49ers to 27, Chiefs to 29. Everybody wants that. So do you call those guys like that's just over the moon? Chargers at 22. I find that charges fans don't like this suggestion, but there is a little bit of smoke there or things. So I recognize I recognize one hero. He is a Rondé Gadsden the second and I was very different player. Very different player. Okay. So yeah, Stowers. doesn't block we address that but has some unique traits that do make him interesting as a more of a receive kind of like a diet Kincaid

1:03:04he just chews up space I mean like I don't know if it's just like his gait or what but like the way he moves with the ball like in his hands like he is really really able to generate explosives uh he's got a big catch radius he makes like really impressive catches away from his body sometimes when the ball's thrown to him he looks like he's been punched with it in a way that i find aesthetically displeasing but um the the catch radius is impressive the length is impressive acceleration uh yeah he's just i i just question whether or not you know he He is a tight end in the sense of his usage in the NFL strikes me as somewhat limited.

1:03:52Yeah, he is going to be a seam weapon for teams that want to be four out, that want to be playing from the gun, that are going to try to space you out and then throw it to a big-bodied guy between the safety and the linebacker. That is what he's going to be in year one. I think it's going to be what he is in year two. I don't think you want him to be an underneath target player. I do not think he has good agility or good hip sync or the ability to break some of those tackles. I don't think that you are going to really try to mass him up and play him as a blocker because again, I just think that he's too tall.

1:04:17He's a little bit too upright. I think that's gonna be hard to get him to play that style. Remember, this is a quarterback commit to Texas A &M who then transitioned to wide receiver in New Mexico who then became a tight end at Vanderbilt, right? And so you experience some of the good like feel stuff, right? Some of these ex quarterbacks get a good like, oh, I need to throttle this route down. The safety is there. He has that good field sense. But in general, like there's just not a lot of polish on the game already. And so if you're trying to also mass him up and make him a true title. Like that's good.

1:04:43It's gonna take Josh all of our levels of time, right? We took all of our like three years with the Ravens. Like, okay, like, you know, we're big enough and we're right. Actually play the position. So to me, like, this is a developmental arc that I would not want to invest in if I were a general manager, because I kind of anticipate losing my job by the fact, by the time this guy's ready to go, if I'm taking him in round two, right? Like this pick's going to weigh against me for a little bit too long here. If you could give me a stowers on day three, I got this where I like to take positional converts and role playing guys.

1:05:10But it just sounds like, yeah, he's going to go much earlier than that. And then this tight end classes insanely deep with like round three round four, round five guys. There's just dudes. I trust a lot more to give me some value side and tooth and stowers. Mass him up. I don't know if you gotta mass him up. I feel like my baby peanut butter jelly sandwiches at two in the morning. Right. We're getting big. Mass him up. It's like, uh, all right. Let's talk about that next group of tight ends. Um, I haven't watched all of them. I've watched Claire, Max Claire, Ohio State, Eli Raritan, Notre Dame.

1:05:47I just watched a few blocking reps of the Stanford tight end. Sam Rauch, my guy. Made like undistinguishable noises like, so there you go. And then there's, let's see. Okay, also Trigg out of Baylor. I watched a little bit of him. Claire's my guy. Yep, Claire's tight end too. I really like him. He is. Okay, great. Okay, cool. And then Roush is three for me. So I just watch Max Clare. And look, Ohio State, a lot of mouths to feed there, right? I just watched him. And I'm thinking, I can just see this guy in an NFL offense. So crystal clear, right? Like, like, there's no projection here for me. 64, 246, he's not gigantic.

1:06:33but he he won he he blocks and he's not roush is the one really oh god but like the split zone reps um the way he is part of their play action passing attack to me translate maps so well onto so many nfl teams and then on top of that um he he's really smooth with the ball in his hands on just like drags, leak. He gets you yards after the catch. And obviously some of it has to do with the space vacated by the Ohio State receivers. But in a way where, you know, when I think about the best offenses in the NFL and what they ask their tight ends to do, watching him bend, it was just, it just mapped onto it for me in a way that a lot of these other tight ends, it didn't necessarily, there's a little bit more projection required.

1:07:26Yeah, I think he is like plug and play Jake Ferguson, right? where I love him up the seam. I love the vertical climb. I think that Claire is like, he didn't run a 40 in Indianapolis. I can't remember if he did it at the pro day or not, but he is like, to me on film, I poppically quick in terms of eating up strides, eat up ground, gets up top there. When you watch him after Stowers and Sadiq, you're like, oh, this guy's not the fastest. Watch him against all the other guys who are carrying 250 pounds who are not the freak jumpers. You're like, oh, Max Claire gets up there, right? Purdue, he was a Purdue transfer to Ohio State.

1:07:56You go back and you watch that 24 Purdue film. Illinois had like a lights out day going down the field he can run away from linebackers run away from safeties and then the blocking that you brought up for me like tight end there's there's two bars there's do you clear this lower bar of like I can play you at tight end I can play you at why are you a functional blocker he so easily clears it then there's the like you know you are going to be a defining feature of my like George Kittle offensive game plan and like there's a big range in there as long as you land in that range I can get you on the field for all three downs and there are a couple of dudes here that i still even like in this class of justin jolly at nc state who i'm not sure they even get to the first bar like claire very clearly has that value blocking ability at two at like i said like almost a true 250 with also explosive receiving playability he is it he transferred to ohio state almost certainly because he got a ludicrous amount of money for a college football tight end to get and ohio state wanted to build a super team on offense he knew he was going to be you know target three if not target four ball touch or five if not six with the running backs.

1:08:55And like, that was just going to be the reality. It wasn't gonna be a productive year, but he made his money and his film still good. To me, he's like a lock and loaded, you know, round two, round three pick in the NFL draft. I like Claire a lot. Uh, we, I mean, I, I joking about this with Rauch, but like, I, I just think he's gonna, he is probably, yeah, but he's definitely the best blocker of the Titans that I watch unless there, there's probably some that I haven't watched. Um, six foot six, 267 pounds, just nasty finisher. I mean, Stanford offense. So it's, you know, nasty to begin with. It's just very unpleasant to watch, but, um, he's another one where like you're talking about a team like a Baltimore where they need the blocking tight end with Kohler gone.

1:09:36And he's in a, I mean, it's just so easy for me to like point to like 10 teams in the draft and say, you could really add a guy like this and he could be useful for you immediately. I think if you want to be a team that lives in multiple tight end sets, you need Sam Rauch, right? In the same way that the Rams one of the multiple tight end sets and had Colby Parkinson, who obviously is Stanford tight end. It's a helmet comparison. But still, you need one dude who really is an impassable mover in terms of the blocking game such that you're not putting three tight ends out there who are all 50th percentile blockers or worse.

1:10:06And now it's just you've invited bodies into the box. You don't have the way to handle it. No, you need a guy who can root out some defensive ends. Roush, I don't know if you know his background, his father moved around different continents. I can't remember if he was a military guy or not, but he lived in Jakarta for a while. He played a ton of rugby. right and you can just tell the way he uproots guys that he has a great flexibility his hips he's got the ability uncorking the power and then he's one of these dudes who he's got very stubby arms that's to his advantage because he he gets he locks it internal exactly he can really tuck his arms under guy 30 and 5 8 inch arms for sam rouch historically stubby dude he's 6 6 with 35 with the drums he can't reach his pockets but it's so helpful to him when he's blocking because he could torque really easily with these kind of short levers and so not the biggest catch radius He's not going to create after the catch, but boy, howdy.

1:10:49I mean, you just want a little strong side zone to let Sam Rauch go take a defensive end who only weighs like 240 pounds in the NFL. Take him five yards into the sideline. It'll be like Kolar in Baltimore where he's just never covered and you can just see him popping out and getting like a little, you know, nine yards here and there. Yeah, I think Rauch, again, I would love if he could catch a ball above his helmet. I'm not sure he can because I don't know if he can get his fingers together, but everything else, I love it. He's going to be wide open. Okay, I do like Raritan. I do want to just give him a quick, Where do you have him?

1:11:17Because I did watch him. Raritan's in the next tier down for me. He's four right after Roush. I think he has a decent amount of upside. I think that's the way I would describe him. Six foot six, 245 pounds, quite productive in the Notre Dame offense. That was sort of lacking pass catching weapons, shall we say. but I do think there's enough there on tape that I saw both in terms of blocking and getting down field where you know I think he needs some development to his game and I think but I do think if I'm a team and I wanted to take a swing on a guy who I think has a potential to be like a true tight end one he is a name that I like yeah and he got injured at the end of his high school senior year and then again in his freshman year at Notre Dame so he missed a lot of time in the weight room when you'd like for that 18 19 year old guy to just be putting time in the weight room learning the playbook kind of getting ready to hit the ground then he played behind mitchell evans for much of his time at notre dame and he was a guy who i think in a different world would have transferred and had more playing time to kind of get that development but he's a notre dame legacy his pops played in notre dame and so like he was going to stay no matter what you saw him get a lot better over the course of this season he was coming in a lot of contact upright he's like a true 6-6 and then you know season goes on your hips are starting to get lower the blocks trying to get more impact.

1:12:34He understands how to receive contact. And they really started like, you know, third down red zone. They're trying to run behind him. They're putting him in motion to go get a guy because they trust him to open a hole and he was doing it reliably. Like you cannot watch Jeremiah Love film and Jadarian Price film. And I start to notice nine, right? USC film, just popping dudes out, out of position, moving some light players. It's, it's impactful blocking stuff. And then yeah, wins contested catch down the field, wins above the rim, has seam stretching ability. He's far less polished than Claire is and then Roush is, but it's him.

1:13:05It's him and Oscar Delp out of Georgia who you can see it forested the trees. Like, you know, at a higher volume could be those sort of guys. Yeah. I, I, they're Claire, Sadiq, Claire and Raritan. I wrote down for all of them. If you're an offense that use a lot of play action, I can just really see these guys being productive for you pretty quickly, to be honest. Um, yeah, I, I, I do like, because I don't, we'll see. I feel like there's going to be a run on tight ends at some point in the draft, but it is very much pick your flavor. I mean, like Trigg out of Baylor, some of the most impressive catches you'll see.

1:13:41I think just like a bit, there's a lot of problems there. The blocking isn't there. It's just not as complete. but uh i feel like if you're i mean if i don't know who i would put him above i don't have him i don't have rankings did you what did you have you said by the way so one is sadique tear break clear to roush three tear break and then i have raritan four and oscar delt five oscar by the way is a great watch out of georgia take you 14 minutes all right he had like 27 catches this year you watch all of them you're like how does this guy not get the ball more you watch him blocked Like this guy's highly impactful.

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1:17:55He's he's unbelievably athletic. The film is rough. The film is is is highly, highly inconsistent right now. So I'm really glad to hear you say that because I feel Proctor is being pretty scheme specific and like, I just don't think he can play in a zone blocking offense at a high level. I don't. And so, yeah, it's just not. We're asked like a guy like Lomu. I understand he's I was just texting with Goalik Jr. about this. light at his size and I think the run blocking needs work, but the movement skills I feel better about that. But before we dig into the players, I think the one thing I do want to hit is because Maui No is obviously the first person I watched.

1:18:42Good player. I really think he can be good in the NFL and there's a lot to like about him. Size, profile, good, polished tape. you know, but I feel my general feel on this offensive tackle group, and this is pertinent if you're like Arizona, right? Who's going to have to be is I don't think there's enough of a separation with Mauanoa versus the tackles where I would want to take him high as opposed to taking the edges where I do view my view. And I'm going to talk about this next week, Dominique, and you and I talked about, I think there's a big tear break for me in the edges from the top three to the rest.

1:19:22And I think, and I don't want to talk about, we're going to talk about the edges here, but my point is just that, like, I don't think the difference between Maui Noah and the next group of offensive tackles is that big based on what I watched. Yeah. Maui Noah is the 10th highest grader player on my board, right? And so the, you know, in a vacuum, taking that, that player at three is not something that I'm like, you know, going to go over the moon for, okay, positional value. Great. Whatever. Maui Noah, even still though, this is not a high dimensions player, right? We're not talking about like six, seven, 34 inch arms here, right?

1:19:50This is a body type wise. He looks like a guard. He's a very smooth attack. But when he loses, he loses to a lot of length. And you'll see him lean over his toes and try to punch at the end of his range because he knows he's not the longest guy. And so there's a world where you're just committing yourself to only ever having the 14th best right tackle in football when you spend three overall on the guy. Monroe Freeling at Georgia. It took me a long time to get okay with ranking Monroe Freeling this high. Because if you watch week one through nine of this season of Monroe Freeling, you're like, what are we talking about?

1:20:18And the light bulb went on. extremely late. And I tend to be a lot more dubious of late light bulb players than a lot of other people in the draft process. But like, because to me, development's not linear. Like, okay, he's on the up and up. Yeah, for now. Like, and then he's going to be down again. Like, this is what inconsistency in development is. And so, but Freeling, at least like dimensions wise, you know, he's six, seven, and he's got the length form in this class. Like nobody's carrying big weight and big movement skills besides Freeling. That's what I was going to say. Freeling, the thing that jumps out is the way he moves at his size is really special.

1:20:48I think there's almost like a timeline question you have to ask right like i love freeling on a team where he doesn't have to play immediately maybe he plays immediately he's good i could be wrong but like if you're one of the teams looking for a successor or maybe a guy to come in at some point during the season once you feel them maybe cleveland is an example by the way they got them in the last draft with because they did you know sign some tackles i really like him for a team like that um whereas i think with mauno i just feel safer which is not really how you want to feel about your third overall pick even though i i do think he's a good player i'm just kind of like i feel like you can get another one you know you can get a tackle a little bit later um so but you have freely about fano which is interesting fano i i find to be thin and not very physically dominant and i don't think that his body i don't think his frame is gonna take yeah i don't think he's gonna be able to take a lot more mass now lomo carries more length to him right so okay if you're going to be a thinner player then i like you having a little bit more reach because then you can hang on for an extra half second and have a little bit more control for a half second when you're potentially getting uprooted and taken off the turf here.

1:21:54Now, Fano, I am dubious about him at tackle. I think if a team kicks Fano into guard or even into center, I think you have a chance to have a really impactful zone player here. Because once you can protect him from length, I do think that the feet are really quiet. The balance is excellent. The patience is great. He's got wonderful hand fighting. So you're going to worry about him against the 300-pounders. but if you're a zone and you're a movement team, right? I think about what Zabel is able to pull off there with Seattle. He's not the caliber player of Zabel, but you can protect him from somebody like the true bull rushes with the movement series stuff.

1:22:26I think Fano might be a splashy player. Lomo, I for sure want to leave a tackle. And then Ian Ochoa. Ian Ochoa is the one who like, it's not dissimilar to Tyson, his team at Arizona State. I love everything. He's got injury concerns. He's 25, right? So he can't be that much higher up on my board. Right. But he didn't start playing football until like G. Yeah, yeah. He was the one, I've mentioned this a million times, but the first time I watched Tyson, Texas Tech, was when I started watching Yana Chor. And then I went down a rabbit hole of watching him. And I do feel like he's your, if you want to throw a dart at a guy who has like really, really impressive physical tools, but is still learning how to play the position.

1:23:05He is one where another, you know, I talked about Freeling being example. If you already have offensive tackles, Yana Chor would be, who you can get later in the draft, would be, I think a great dart throw or for a team like Philadelphia where he doesn't have to play immediately. Um, back to Lomo. He actually reminds me a little bit of Charles cross, uh, speaking of Seahawks. Um, I, I like him. I, he is also a young player and like you said, he's a little bit thin, but I think he can play left tackle in the NFL. Uh, I definitely think as a tackle fail in the tackle, maybe kick him to guard Fano.

1:23:41Like I'm surprised more teams don't want to Graham Barton and just immediately move him to the inside. Yeah. Malanoa, by the way, a lot of folks seem to think is a right tackle at the next level, which looks like a guard key play tackle pretty well. But like, I don't know if I want again, like I don't know. I'm I'm accustomed to watching the Eagles. I think about the success of this Lions offensive line like dimensions really, really matter. You want like towers, man and at left tackling at right tackle. I'm just in that class. It is Freeling and then Blake Miller who I like quite a bit at Clemson.

1:24:12And that's it in terms of the guys who are really... And then Proctor, but I've got a lot of technical issues with Proctor. Would you be surprised if only one tackle goes in the top 10?

1:24:24No, but they're going to fly in the 10th. Yeah, that's what I asked. I'm looking at you right now. I would so much rather be the team on Iannachar at 24 and Blake Miller at 25. Then I would be the team with Mavino at 5 or Fonu at 9. I'm making up numbers here. I don't know what team needs, whatever. But I'm much more would want to be on the late first round guys in this particular class because your Maui Noahs and your Fondos are going because they're highly consistent and refined and polished. And to me, that just means, okay, you're not going to be a tail kicker at the NFL level who's going to be able to build my running game around you.

1:24:57So I like this tackle class a lot for its depth once we start getting past pick 20. So I feel the opposite way about the guards. Like completely the opposite. Yeah. There's a tail kicker at the guard class. There's one tail kicker. And then after him, it's like, his name is Venga Yomane. He's Penn State, 6 '4", 328. That, to me, it only took a couple games where I was like, I feel good. I think I really just look at him and I see like a starting caliber NFL guard immediately. I genuinely believe who has Pro Bowl potential Obviously destination Matters and He's a little bit better I think at run blocking Right now than pass protection but like He's similar to Zabel Last year right like I just Feels if I'm a team If I'm Baltimore team I know we keep doing Baltimore But there's some other places we should talk about That are potential destinations for him but I feel Very comfortable Taking this guy in the first round yeah he reminds me of Wyatt Teller right where it's just like man this guy would smuggle a knife onto the field and stab a guy if he could like he just hates defensive players so much he's so violent he's late into the down he's such a finisher dude but the reason why I bring up Teller is because he does not sacrifice technique and body control and balance in the first second and a half two seconds of the game I mean he'll be like leaning on a guy you know being physical being in his jaw whatever but he'll be executing the play until he finds the moment where it's like I've got control of you.

1:26:32Something else happening over there. I'm going to shove you in the turf and then say a rude thing about you in your ear. There is a controlled aggression. There is an understanding of culture, understanding of like, say about Quentin Nelson, same thing, right? Quentin Nelson is all business until the exact moment where it's time not to do business. You like finishers, but you don't want them to be getting 15-yard penalties. Yeah, the toughness and the play style is exactly what you want in a guard. I also think you could put him in a zone gap. I think he would have success in both types of schemes.

1:27:06He's, I think, played some center, too. I saw that. So, yeah, I just... Yeah, he's a guard. I feel good. Yeah, right. I feel really good about him. I think the question is, does he go before 14, right? Because that feels like... I mean, I would be very upset if I was Baltimore. I didn't get him. So, looking above Baltimore right now, 1 through 13, are there any spots that you think make sense for him?

1:27:30I mean, like Dolphins at 11 wouldn't upset me because they have needs of guards. Cincinnati at 10. Nah, I mean, Fairchild had a pretty good season last season, but they do need depth there. Dallas won't happen. Rams need a tackle. Now, Baltimore at 14, like I feel like I give them there every single month. Like by the time I get through. One of the chalkiest picks of the draft. Yeah. When I'm still picking up like seven with Washington and Sonny Stiles and Caleb Downs are on the board. Like those guys are going there. Those are, you know, higher caliber prospects. And then I just don't think the guard needs are super big.

1:27:57Dolphins at 11, though. I'm trying to remember. They had such a big roster turnovers. I want to double check, make sure I know their guards well because Strange is out of there now. They have 7i at the left side and then right. They signed Salier. That's who it was. So to me, yeah, Jamari Salier on a free agent deal should not be stopping you from drafting Venga Yone. I cannot say his name. It's crazy. Like Yone, thank you. Yone, thank you. I do. I do quite a bit. That at 11, that would make sense to me. I understand there's higher positions of needs, but if he's a top guy, that's a fun pick. I think there's a pretty big drop off after him, um, which is a problem too, because like late in the first round, there's so many teams where I'm like, you could take a guard, but I'm like, Hey, I don't really like any of these cards outside of you wanna in the first round.

1:28:44Yep. I I've seen chase Byzantus out of a Texas A &M end of the first round hype. That would not be personally for me. I've seen Caitlin Rutledge, uh, Schrager had today in his mock. I think he went at 32. I find that more palatable, but still I would not qualify that as thrilling. Emmanuel Pregnant, same thing where I'd be so cool picking him at 62. He sounds like he's going to go at 42. And again, it's too rich for my blood. Jalen Farmer, the Kentucky kid, is the one that like everybody kept telling me to watch. And I watched him. I'm like, oh, I like this guy as a round two player. But that's like a late riser in the process.

1:29:14I think after Ioane, it should be a good 50, 40, 50 picks before another guard goes. That won't happen, but that's where it is on my board. There's some fun centers. There's no one who's going to go early, obviously, but I think there's a lot of value to be had in the mid rounds. Sam Hecht, the Kansas State center. I watched some of him and just your classic zone blocking, like plug and play center. Similarly, Iowa's the Iowa guy, Logan Jones. Logan Jones, yeah. Jake Slott. They're all zone centers, I feel like. There's no more heavy centers at this point. And we've gotten really good at working around these undersized centers and maximizing them in the poll game.

1:29:58So it makes sense. They're all super experienced, which is cool, right? Jones is a four-year starter. Connor Lou out of Auburn is a four-year starter. Jake Slaughter is a three-year starter out of Florida. So you have guys who you feel pretty plug and play about, which is hard to say at the center position, but for the position. Jake Slaughter, I saw talking in the combine, he looks like he could be your dad. Yeah, as a grizzled veteran there in the center. but Hecht was the one where folks had to watch him and I did watch him and I actually would feel pretty good about drafting Hecht is a center one for me and a center one for a few people in media.

1:30:31When you hear about teams it does not feel like teams see Hecht that same way you hear a lot more about Slaughter and a lot more about Jones but Hecht to me is the guy that I would want. He's very technically sound great feet. I like Hecht. Great movement I think the foot speed for, again, if you have a zone blocking offense it feels like a no brainer to me but But none of these players are going in the first round. Yeah, it'll be very interesting to see if anyone outside of Ioane amongst the interior offensive linemen sneak into the first round, which puts a cap kind of right on how many could go in the first round.

1:31:08I mean, in total, if Ioane is the only interior, you could see maybe like four tackles. Is that too low? You think it'll be more than four offensive tackles? I think six tackles, if not seven, are going in the first round. I think tackle and edge are the two positions that people keep talking about as we're going to hit the 20s and they're going to start running. Now that I think about it, in Monday's mock, I think five or six did go. Yeah. Yeah. So you talked about Freeling, Moinola. Yeah. I think Moinola and Freeling, you can be like, and Proctor, you can all be positive about going early. You're bringing up like a guard goes besides Ioane.

1:31:44And like the thing is, when Proctor gets announced, he might get announced as guard, right? When Fano gets announced, he might get announced as guard. That's the thing is some of these tackles are like for sure have interest in guard conversion. They just don't know what, you know, Raj is going to end up saying when he's up there at the podium. So I wouldn't be surprised if when, you know, when Fano goes 22 to the Chargers, it's because they're playing him at right guard, even though he's listed as tackle. That's my favorite thing. Just moving to guard. Kick him inside. It's never fair. All right.

1:32:14That's it for offense. Next week, I'm going to do defense with Dominique Foxworth, including maybe my favorite player in the draft. It's on the other side of the ball. Do you know who it is? Don't say it. I kind of did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know you're doing it. I kind of did it away. Ben, you are doing a draft show, right? Live? Yep. I'll be live after day one and then all day during day two for the ESPN YouTube, which will be fun. We have, like I did, like a film breakdown with Sunny Styles is out on the YouTube, Trayden Stoops, the safety at Arizona. Watch you some Trayden Stoops. He's so good.

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