Trevor, Have I Ever: Last Call for NFL Predictions

28:17It was stuff I hadn't really seen. I've seen it, but rarely. And it was kind of cool. I was like, all right, Chris Shula. Nice little fastball he threw there. Yeah, I know. But yeah, he's another one. Declan Doyle?

28:29Nate Tice:Okay, so Declan Doyle. So I have two names that are first-time offensive guys. Declan Doyle and Brian Fleury. If either of those offenses just go that look really good. I think that they'll both, especially because with Doyle's case, it's like a transformation scheme-wise. People want a piece of Ben Johnson. If that works, he could be the beneficiary of that, even with the Lamar factor. And then Fleury also, I think, could be another beneficiary of if the Seahawks offense takes another step. I actually like two defensive guys, one of which is Anthony Campanile, the Jags defensive coordinator. I think it's kind of the reverse of Chris Shula, where I think he's going to get a lot of credit if that defense looks good because it's more of a really good player's defense.

29:16Nate Tice:It's not a star's defense like the Jags. They have not really good even strong. It's just like a lot of good, I don't want to diminish them by saying they're like B-plus players, but they have a lot of good players. Hines Allen is a star. Maybe Travis Hunter will be, but there aren't many household names outside of that. So I think he could get a lot of credit if they're as good as I think they could be. And then the other one is a first-time guy. I think Christian Parker is going to get a lot of buzz if this thing turns around. And what a great springboard for him because this was the worst defense in the NFL last year.

29:53Nate Tice:There's only one way to get it. It's crazy. 18th is going to smell sweet. 18th in defensive DVOA, 14th in weighted. he's got all the things the um like resume buzzwords and stylistic ones that everybody wants right now fangio defense simulated pressures creativity in disguise on the back end so i just think i saw him talking to you and he just kind of presents like he just seems like that's why i don't know anything about him just context clues and but everyone raves about him um so but again And I take everything with a grain of salt. I always did that with Brian Schottenheimer. And then Brian Schottenheimer hasn't been a winning record yet, but it's looking good, at least with Schottenheimer.

30:41But yeah, I've kind of been clued in on how people have talked about him. They're very high on him.

30:46Nate Tice:Well, let's stick with defense. This category is one of my favorites to do. Blank is going to be a first-time All-Pro on defense. This was hard. Well, a lot of guys turned out had All-Pros. I was like... That's what stunk. I didn't know Quinny Williams. I thought Quinny Williams only had a second team. He was first team. I was like, ow. I went for a totally out of nowhere player just for fun, just to talk about him a little bit. Walter Nolan of the Cardinals. That's crazy. Yes. They won't. It won't happen. But I just want to highlight him real quick because he has that talent and he probably won't stay healthy this year anyways.

31:20The team won't be in a position for him to get the stats anyways. But I want to say Walter Nolan because this was hard for me because I was like, oh, Cooper, did you? no no no no you got one and i was like looking at linebackers like no so i'm curious what names you came over maybe i can rack my brain a few more but this was a tough one for me hipster picks on my

31:37Nate Tice:end okay good okay so here's some guys who missed that just missed the cut for me i was just writing down defensive names who i thought could get it kamari lassiter uh the great one that's a good one aves uh byron murphy the second another milton williams oh another good one ah that should been my answer that's a great one yeah uh jalen petrie sticking with the i'm basically these are a lot of good defenses carson sweatshirt who was uh your defensive rookie of the year i wrote mike jackson or jc horn uh one of them cravis hunter why not yeah nicky manwari yeah okay uh okay so those were the just missed the cuts i narrowed it down to two I have to choose between them.

32:24Nate Tice:Alright, I'll just choose. Abdel Carter. I'm so high on Abdel Carter. I think he's so good. I've gotten into this. I don't need to rehash it. The advanced metrics love him. When you watch the tape, he should have had so many more sacks than he did. I think that the linebackers are going to protect him and the other undersized pass rushers more and they'll get more opportunities to rush the quarterback. I just think he's got all the tools and I actually was higher on him watching his rookie tape even then going into the draft and that to me is like a glaring green flag like if you come into the nfl and you impress me that much you know as a rookie i just think he's going to be a star my number two guy was a guy who um is i think a pretty good choice as well kobe turner oh yeah yeah rams oh look at this look at the fearsome foursome they got But also, like, he's been so good.

33:17Yeah.

33:18Nate Tice:Fifth and pass rush win last year, fourth most doubled player since coming into the NFL. And now he gets to play on the Monstars. And the nerds have loved him. Film nerds have loved him. Stat nerds have loved him. So now it's the public. And it's not even like, you know, oh, he gets to easy clean up. No, he's already a really, really good guy. Yeah, he's pretty good. Yeah, he's Pro Bowl quality. Yeah. He's like a unique nose, too. Like, that's what's cool about him, too. And when you want to anoint a guy with an award for the first time, tell the story of him. And that's the thing about him. He's a unique version of his position.

33:49Maybe it's the defense helping it, but so that's a, that's a really good one too.

33:53Nate Tice:I think he could be like a crazy stats compiler this year. Yeah. Of your, of your short list, I would say the ones I would steal were Milton Williams and Petrie. I think Petrie is a great shout too. He's cause he's all pro caliber. Petrie's never made a pro ball. Yeah. That one shot. That shocked me. Actually. Now that I looked it up, I thought he, I thought he, for some reason I did. I thought he had was pro ball last year and they had like three pro bars in the DB room, but I'm way off. I do wonder if like, maybe they get a little bit punished because you don't want to give the entire Texans secondary.

34:22Nate Tice:I, you know, sometimes that happens and, and Turner might get that as well. All right. Final question. I'll take a break. I feel like we're going to have the same answer for this one. Cause it's kind of obvious. This comes from Alex Inc 65. The blank are most likely to have the biggest disparity between offensive and defensive DVOA. Say it on three. One, two, three. The Bears. Packers. Wow. So my answer, I go three quarters of the NFC North. I literally wrote Bears, Lions, Packers. Which one? Lions, Bears, Packers. Those are my three. First teams that came to mind, I didn't even think of the other good defense, bad offense.

35:03I didn't even think of that. I was like, nope, these three. Yeah, I went Packers just because I think maybe by the end of the year, They're going to take a little bit to kind of pick back up. But the Bears is a good one, too. But, yeah, either of those.

35:17Nate Tice:I'm curious about the Packers versus the Bears because, first of all, Bears fans, there's two ways to take it. One is I really like your offense. This is about disparity. Because I assume, like, do you think, because the Bears and the Packers' offenses I view is pretty comparable. I might be slightly higher on the Packers, but that is if everybody is healthy. Same tier. Yeah. The Bears defense, I have below the Packers defense. Do you not? It's more just like the no Micah Parsons is really hurting me right now or really doing a lot for me because I don't know what, I don't know what this defense is going to look like truly.

36:00You know, we see some preseason tests. We talked about this, but even just like, all right, so you got Lucas Van Ness, who I do like, but I'm not saying Lucas Van Ness is a 10 sack guy. when they have to stop the run. It's like, okay, who is the, like, Javon Hargrave's a gap shooter. They don't really have that. Linebacker-wise, they're already talking about moving Edge Cooper more onto the line of scrimmage for some funkier looks. So it's just like they have a lot of questions that, yes, I do think there's a chance that it works out. But right now, but also I keep doing that with Micah Parsons in mind.

36:28But until Micah Parsons gets there, I can't get over the top. I just can't. And whether that's fair, I do like a lot of their aspects. And I think Gannon's actually kind of underrated in some ways.

36:36Nate Tice:Yeah. but that I love the back end. Like I like the safeties, but that's the thing. Yeah. The corners and the edge rushers with the bears, with the Packers, I ultimately was a little bit more comfortable with the spine, the defense, Wyatt back, the linebackers, the safeties and the return of Parsons. I don't know what I'm comfortable with, with the spares defense. Like what is, what can you hate? Jalen Johnson. Sweat was okay last year. So that was pretty good. Like what? Maybe the linebackers will be good. Yeah. But TJ Edwards is always hurt, even if I like him. Yep. And like, they were still starting Garrett, Brady Jarrett.

37:14You know, who's playing D tackle for him? Like that's when you can't stop the run early downs. It's really hard to play good defense. And so, yeah, that's the Bears is probably the better answer for this. Is.

37:28Nate Tice:This is a little bit too hot takey right now off coming off this, but like should best fans be mad at Ryan Poles for not. Like this is the team that was in the divisional round of the playoffs. They shouldn't have a defense that is this bad on pay. And I know that they've had injuries, Kobe Bryant, Kyler Gordon. But like you didn't do nothing on the pass. Like I feel like they should be more aggrieved. Yeah. Austin Booker is interesting, but they haven't drafted any defense alignment. Especially given how good this offense is and that it's trending in such an amazing direction. and you're so excited about your young quarterback and finally it's like the nightmare is over like why would you not make more of an effort to be more competitive on the i just i don't know i would be frustrated that's how i felt looking at the depth chart i was just like i know because it's like even like the offense it's like okay yeah we gotta figure out left tackle and everything but man tight ends passing game our run game was explosive last year we got the best year of de andre swift caleb's ascending like our our head coach is like getting all these accolades that deserve it i believe i like i agree with them and then just like the defense is like they can't get out of their own way they had a stretch and uh what's this ibra flus is the last year i think where they actually looked pretty good or the year before that i was like okay here we go here's some talent none of those guys are there anymore it's just a couple of dvs like and then now they have montez sweat um you know like they traded for him that year as well but like austin booker's the only guy you know don't tineman but austin booker's the only young guy that's interesting to me a merging team should have like three or four of those guys where i'm like hey this guy's interesting like the cardinals have more interesting defenders than i think the bears do right now well i put all these heat i was like like okay cowboys and the bangles perennial but like they're obviously the bangles were very aggressive and both these things were very aggressive in upgrading their defenses this year and like both have the potential to be average and you only need to be average with those offenses yep you could say the same about the And they just didn't do it.

39:28Nate Tice:So, all right, take a quick break, come back and we'll get to the offensive line question.

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41:05Nate Tice:All right. We might have already answered this one, Nate. The team most likely to be undone by its offensive line is blank. The Chargers. Okay. So let's talk about teams other than the Chargers. Because we already talked about the Chargers. Well, we'll talk about the Chargers in a second. But I'll tell you all the teams that I considered here. uh the texans perennially perennially yeah right the raiders okay some questions about that group yeah um and then i wrote a bunch that i didn't feel were those were the three my final three i also considered the packers okay the lions if things go sideways with the rebuild um i can i throw another one in there yeah i would actually even throw the bears in there if they don't have the health look that they had last year.

41:53Only healthy season of Jonah Jackson. Joe Tooney's another year older. Who's playing left tackle? I know they have options. Garrett Bradbury's a below average player. And Darnell Wright's a star. But Darnell Wright's the only one I feel good about going into this year. And Tooney, but it's, again, one day it won't work with Tooney.

42:10Nate Tice:The offense was so – the line was so dominant in the run game. So it's kind of like a – I don't think either of us think the Bears are going to have a bottom 10. The teams I talked about were like potential bottom 10 ones. But when we're saying like undone, it can mean different things. Like the Rams honestly could fit the bill because that's the one potential weakness that they have. They could be undone from winning the Super Bowl by a single offensive line injury and not having depth there, which was a decision that they made. But yeah, that's a good point. But the three that I mentioned Okay, so the Texans Did another makeover And then they did a mini makeover after their makeover Reshuffling it again So now it's Ursary, Rutledge at guard Evan Brown Who's a veteran center Ed Ingram and Trent Brown After they had brought in Braden Smith He got hurt They ended up moving Rutledge after trying to center Back to guard I think, and I say this as somebody who was very skeptical of the line last year going into the season and really kept throwing cold water on everyone.

43:16Nate Tice:Like, you know, just like, this is not – I know these players. I do think on paper this is going to be a better group. I don't think it's going to be a dominant line, but I think it'll be good enough. We're saying you. Yep, I do. I think even second half of last year, they were above board. It wasn't good. It was slightly below average. um my biggest worry is the guy that they are like they really like is ed ingram because it's like i don't know that most times he was better but he's still not like fine like he's still below to me he's not even like a quality starter so it's like but having said that trent brown has looked good in this kind of offensive system because it's familiar to what he's done and before i love i really like the rutledge pick um whether it was center or guard wherever he plays for them and i I'm higher on nursery than I think others are as a prospect and so far as a pro, but again, not saying amazing pro bowl quality.

44:10I think quality starters more, which you're aiming for with that. So yeah, I think that's just, you have to like keep that in your head until they prove otherwise. I will say it has looked better in the preseason. This talent is better. They have actually some like Jake Andrews, who's been their starters depth now, potentially, you know, like that's, you know, it's nice to have that when the guys don't have to play. so they're they have the better answers to mitigate any issues i think is maybe a better way to put it but um i'm still not like overboard on them i think it's more average at best

44:41Nate Tice:the raiders i feel like i'm the only person who's been apprehensive of this um you know colton miller being healthy and linderbaum is very helpful but the other three positions are major question marks to me i know they look better in the preseason i'm just need to see it from DJ Gley, the right side of that line. It's like, I don't know. It was so bad last year and they ran it back. So I just, that's one or, and to me also it's a big deal because we know that Kubiak wants to run the ball. He wants to run the ball a lot on early downs. And if this line isn't, if they're constantly behind the sticks because of bad runs, this thing could all go haywire.

45:27Nate Tice:Kind of like it did in New Orleans, frankly, frankly when they started losing offensive linemen with kubiak so yep no that's a great point no i they i think it's more they they look so much better in the preseason i'm like yeah it's great now it's fine not great but it's fine now it's fine uh the kubiak offense does help it it's it's hard to evaluate some guys in kubiak offense because of that but that is the that's why you bring in a kubiak shahane guys because they do mitigate some of the issues and stuff so uh no i agree with that i i think i've just been more trying to like excite myself with the raiders I mean, Linder Brom is awesome.

46:01Nate Tice:Colton Miller is a good left tackle. It's kind of slept on last year that he didn't play. About the same as the Chargers. Two out of five. It's interesting, right? Because it's kind of like if you're going to choose two out of five, well, hypothetically, in a Mike McDaniels offense, you would choose the tackles. I think normal football at center and left tackle. Those are the two you want. If I were building a team. like so the center jake slaughter could be good but he's a rookie i think the guard situation is pretty dire i mean maybe awaseka who's gonna play left guard it actually looked okay he was not the one who jumped out to me in the preseason as being the issue bad one right yeah i know it's and two it's like it's not like it's something i haven't seen i've seen justin Herbert with three defensive linemen in his lap, right?

46:52As soon as he hits the back foot of his drop. So I know I'm sure maybe I just want to see, I'm wishing something different, you know, manifesting that it's going to look a little different at some point this year, but no, they're, you're going to have to drop back in those sent and those guards, those interior guys aren't going to have to have bootlegs. They're not going to have the motion. They're going to have to just drop back and eat a one-on-one of protection. And that's the thing. That's what worries you. It's like, yeah, against teams that you have a good game script, you don't have to worry about it.

47:17But once it comes to playoff time, once it comes against the Texans, they're going to just tee off on you over time.

47:25Nate Tice:All right. On to a more positive one. The blank are going to look much better in the second half of the season than the first. I felt like I had a pretty clear one for this. What was your choice? I have two, and one is kind of a continuation. It was the Packers, was the O-line gelling, the Micah Parsons coming back, defense figuring themselves out so second half packers on bullish on first half i'm a little not so much and the other was the raiders um was the was who we just talked about was hey they figured out mendoza's maybe starting um so that was kind of what i looked at for them as the raiders maybe they figured out their defensive personnel and actually another team now i want to hear what yours is before okay so i considered two teams with schematic overhauls i considered the ravens and the Eagles for that reason, just like maybe these offenses will start to gel.

48:18Nate Tice:Even though the Ravens were a little bit more optimistic about that coming together quickly, it is entirely possible that they look better in the second half. But ultimately, I went with this team because of injuries for the most part, and that's the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, yeah. Think about it. Daniel Jones, further removed from the Achilles. Alec Pierce is starting the end season. Their most important wide receiver is coming off the injury. sauce gardener still coming up and you know he's back but obviously he's probably going to look better the further out and then you've got rookies starting on defense rookie linebacker and in addition to the injuries you've got a lot of youth on that side of the ball so that i thought the other thing is they start the season against the ravens chiefs and texans so um and i was looking at two half the second half of the season dolphins texans giants eagles Titans Bengals Browns so Jack so like I just think this is a team for all the reasons laid out that could be that could look much better in the second half of the season than the first that's a good one yeah I mean just the first two names you mentioned the quarterback and their leading receiver just working back from injuries is a good way to start with that one no and also yeah what's CJ Allen man that's a I had really liked that pick and I like that player and actually was I think this is a good scheme for him too because he's so smart so I'm glad you actually kind of half mentioned him here, CJ Allen, because I want to give him a little shout out.

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52:34Nate Tice:I think we're going to have the same answer for this one. Blank is the running back who will usurp his starter. This comes from Old BK on Blue Sky. We're going to have the same answer on this one? I was wondering where you're reaching on this one. Okay. I have two. Well, it's the guy we both love. Jonah Coleman? Yeah. Okay. Jonah Coleman was my number one answer. Yeah, you're right. Okay, good. Jonah Coleman fans. Okay, good. Yeah. By the way, watching the Huskies this weekend, oh, I miss Jonah Coleman. But anyways, that's neither here nor there. First of all, great situation. Shaky running back room.

53:14Nate Tice:The coach loves him already. Won't shut up about him. That's what you got to look when you're looking for. He's a pro. We love him so much. We don't even have to play him in the preseason. I was like, okay, got it, guys. we got it when i know this is part of why aside from my uskies fandom like he was a very pro ready back yes he can pass protect he is he is extremely decisive he doesn't make many mental errors and like yes he's not the most explosive back and he's built a little bit like my three-year-old son but he's he will get you every yard he can i just yes there was a run in the early in the preseason in because he played in the first game.

53:57Nate Tice:And I don't remember. It was a duo run. He spins out of a tackle or something. And just, I don't even remember how much it was for. And then he lowers his shoulder and just plows through like three dudes. And I was just like, Sean Payne is going to freaking love this. Like the division, the tackle breaking ability. I just feel like he's just not surprising to me that he's already in the opposite of the doghouse. That's what Peyton loves in his run game. That's why he drafted freaking Marvin Ingram in the first round. It's like he wants those guys to just pound it. You get exactly what you block you for, maybe a yard or two more.

54:35You can stay on the field in short yards. You can stay on the field in third down pass protection. Those are the backs he loves. And then he likes to sprinkle in the scat backs, the Camaras, and the Darren Sproles of the world. So, no, I'm big on Coleman. I really like him. And like you mentioned, it's like no offense to J.K. Dobbins, who when he was coming out of college I really liked. it's just injuries are his kind of his thing so um but i do like coleman better and harvey if i had to pick one and just a you know a blind taste test harvey was a frustrating watch for me

55:05Nate Tice:he's kind of like the opposite of coleman too coleman's like the substance like harvey's the more electric back bring a little spice you know what my other one was chris rodriguez for yeah i I have him on my list. Okay, because yeah, Basial Tootin. But I think that's more split to me. I think that's going to be like a 40-40-20 with LaQuinn Allen as the third guy. Staying away from that in fantasy. Oh, same. Same. Not touching it. That's how I am. Jaguars receivers, Jaguars running backs. I like you all, but nope. Not touching you in fantasy. Tribion Henderson is a fun one to rile up Patriots fans.

55:45Nate Tice:I'm telling you, y 'all never knew it or Ronda Stevenson. He's not coming up. I mean, I know he fumbles. Pass protection. They love him. Show yardage. He's Mr. Steady Eddie in that situation. Yeah. I told you that's that. He's like the best shotgun runner of the past decade. The best running back out of shotgun. His advanced stats last year are incredible in terms of like rushing guards over expected for carry. All that. Okay. He's a fall. Just like the two guys we talked about, Coleman and Rodriguez. They all fall forward. So it's like, even if it's like they get hit at two, they get that one extra yard for three.

56:19that just adds up over time.

56:21Nate Tice:Everybody knows that teams like the Texans and Broncos will have nasty pass rushes. The front that will take people by surprise is blank. Can you go first? Can you go first? I have a cop-out answer. I have a cop-out answer. Because it's not surprise. I just thought maybe it's not what people are expecting right now. Mine was the Steelers because there's just like – They're D-line. But they're really good, so it's not like a fun one. The little known Steelers. The little known Steelers. Fly is not much better. I went with the Bucks. The Bucks? Okay, that's a good one, though. Yaya Diaby, Ruben Bain.

56:55Nate Tice:So the point I actually want to make, I know a lot of it's like, wow, we're overreacting to one Ruben Bain hump move. Okay, yes. But a couple things about the Bucks. One, Klajicassi barely played last year, if you'll forget that. He was injured. And it looked like before he got injured, he was trending up as a pass rusher. And then the airport. They signed Al-Qurin Muhammad, which I think is like sneaky good depth, who was really productive. Good shout out. But the other thing I want to mention is Yaya Diaby is good. Like he's not a tier one pass rusher for sure. But I think he's definitely got a case for tier two.

57:30Nate Tice:And now you put him with Bane Jr. And suddenly that could, one of them is going to get really unlocked by the presence of the other. So I just felt really like I took a step back and then obviously you have a. So you take a step back, you kind of look at everyone. I'm like, this is actually not just a sneaky upside group. it's a sneaky deep group now and different body i mean it's i don't want to misfit toys but that's perfect for todd bowls like everybody's like oddly shaped and weirdly built you know it's like ones and zeros yeah it's like visual defense yeah vain and i know bane can see i mean vay all next to each other and then you get a sean robinson who's like the ideal d lineman um but then even i'm way bigger on our i always say this word i gotta find a new word bullish on on the bucks overall and the defense though as i kind of just marinated on it all like because even linebacker wise i like what they did like yeah they i don't know i i'm way higher on the box than i was even trotter looks good trotter i know anzalone is just a professional linebacker you know which is better than what they had no offense to david who's amazing but it was jover old levante david it's not that yeah so that's a good one that's better than mine the other one i had just because because i already mentioned him was walter nolan was the cardinals having a sneaky josh sweat he was good walter nolan zayvon collins is not a bad top three baron browning throwing him in there roy my guy roy lopez he doesn't rush the passer but uh darius robinson's whatever but they actually have some juice that i don't think people realize right now but again that's more if they're healthy we'll see they might never have a lead but we'll know but that was the other um i considered the chiefs for all the reasons i laid out earlier of defense and the line of the youth also fau looked good in the preseason she's like what if he turns out to be something um and then i threw out a hypothetical which is what if the cowboys have a seahawks like four-man rush where you've got superstar defensive tackles and then you just have waves of like good pass rushers who are good against the run and like that because i think that's the bit that they're trying to do right from the build and it could happen uh but okay the bucks are the one that i like the best um all right moving on got two more the blank are most likely to make a big mid-season trade this from jason h i this was nothing about rosters this was this was just mindset i said the jaguars because I just like that's what they do.

59:59Like I could see them doing a move for somebody, maybe not offense, maybe defense this year, where they just, okay, we got to get a linebacker. We got to get one more defensive line. It was something like that just adds, boosts them, put them over the top because that James Gladstone is aggressive. And I like it. Jacoby Myers, like it's a joke, but it's real. Literally saved their offense last year. And so I think that's not going to stop them now that they're like, hey, we can be aggressive. We can do this. This is ways we can add to the team. So that's more just a nothing looking at circumstances or anything.

1:00:30It's just purely looking at the team mindset.

1:00:33Nate Tice:Honestly, it is team mindset that tends to drive GMs that trade a lot more so than when you look at draft trades. It's just guys who do it a lot. So it's not the wrong way to look at this. I looked at circumstances, though, for my answer. And I went with a team that has its draft picks. I checked to make sure which teams have their draft picks next year. like I forgot like the Packers don't have first because of Micah Parsons yeah not that they would do it anyways but the Chiefs have an extra third by the way but the team that I went with was a team that has a shocking amount of cap space the Detroit Lions so I feel like this that's a team that because of their schedule is going to win a lot of games and because they're good I'm just saying try and think of what is the mindset of this team midseason i could see them being first place in the division the offense is great drew pettings worked out but they recognize the defense isn't actually good enough they're above their kicking out kicking their coverage which they did last year too calvin shepherd's a bright guy maybe brian ranch is coming back you're feeling good, but they know they need another pass rusher, another DB.

1:01:51Nate Tice:And also they know that this might be their shot, right? Like fantasy North is like weird and wide open. So I just, I could see Brad Holmes channeling his inner Ramsdom and saying, YOLO, let's do this. Let's bring in someone on defense. And there's proof he'll trade. I mean, you trade Dave Montgomery for picks and juice scrubs and thank God they traded for juice crugs because kade mays got hurt so uh no i know and also you gotta think if you just went like team weakness of who could trade it's like which positions would get moved the easiest like safety is one of those to me like that i mean last year the chargers and the ravens traded a little yeah great point um so yeah no so that's a i i like that with the lions because it feels like they know this version of their window whatever however you want to put this version of the lines this feels like the last chapter of it and then we'll move on to the new one so um that's a good one too trade for uh densel ward maybe oh densel ward oh browns are trading yeah yeah that's good i know i would call the browns all the time i beg you guys like to trade that's a word makes sense in that defense good fit that's a fun one yeah all right uh last question i fear that we may have the same one oh the quarterback who people are gonna change their tune on after this season is blank.

1:03:13It's like two of my guys. So it's either it's Trevor Lawrence or CJ Stroud. So pick one Trevor. I think it's already happened a little bit. Like it's already starting to like where people are coming up on it, but yeah, that could be a total change tune with him, but I'll say Stroud. So we can talk about two guys Stroud for me, which is because just how the last playoffs ended last year. Totally understand. I also want people to remember that he was playing with, like, backup tight ends and rookie receivers, day two receivers, and Xavier Hutchinson and all that stuff. So Stroud, I'm not saying, oh, this guy's going to be an all-pro this year, but a guy that I think is, oh, yeah, he gets the extension.

1:03:50Oh, he deserves it too. And, like, yeah, the Texans are winning with that defense and the emergence of Stroud, just predicting how narratives go and everything like that, a reemergence of Stroud. So I think how his offseason kind of narratives have gone, like, yeah. like i think even if he just plays how we played last year people just go yeah he's better and it's like he was like the 12th best 14th best quarterback last year that's exactly what he is so

1:04:12Nate Tice:i went with trevor because i just feel more confident in that offense and i don't think people are as like super nuanced about it like i i think even if stroud i i i okay so you know i i I feel the same way you do about Stroud and his circumstances last year. I'm a little bit more skeptical about whether or not those circumstances improve. They're already dealing with some injuries and whatnot. Whereas with Lawrence, even though I don't love the offensive line and I do worry a little bit that the run game isn't going to be above average. We'll see. Everything else is still there. Liam Cohen, the continuity, the pass catchers.

1:04:53Nate Tice:He gets to actually stay in the same offense. You know, I just feel like all the components are there for him. in a way that lends itself to more sustained success. That's a good one. I'm very high on both of these teams, actually, Texans and Jags. I really am on both of them, two of my favorite teams of the AFC and really look at the whole NFL. Because like you mentioned, it feels like Ram Seahawks, then it feels like a gap or at least a half tier between everybody else, at least to me. And I think these two teams are the ones that are exciting, like emerging teams. And really my, I think my favorite off season take I've had was that we'll have a first time MVP this year.

1:05:36And these two, you know, Trevor could be that, you know, if the Jags had that type of year, not saying that's my bet. But, you know, Dak Prescott, like all these types of guys, there's a lot of openness openings for that type of narrative this year.

1:05:50Nate Tice:We actually on my pod, Ben and I picked Burrow as the favorite with Lawrence as the dark horse, who would both be obviously first time. But like, it does. I agree. There's definitely, it feels pretty open right now. I actually, I'm going to pick the Jags as the team that could make me look dumb now because I feel like I've just been gassing them up all. I know. I feel like I was high on them and I'm like, oh God, I got to check myself now. Well, I know because I said Lawrence, I said Campanile. I just feel that they have the potential to be one of the more balanced teams. Like so many of the teams in the NFL right now, when I think about them headed to the season are if one side of the ball can be average the nfc north the texans the cowboys and bangles we'll just like if this is if the defense is average whereas the jags i don't think that's like i know that they're both above average to me the question is just can they both be top 10 right like but the floor on right totally but the floor on both sides of the ball is high yeah yeah and and both coaches have already shown that both coaches meaning liam cohen and campanelli is that both sides of the ball shown that they can adjust that they both have good game plans that they're good on third down which is stuff that matters for playoff time again that's how you make a run is that you have to have these you have to have these coaches that can game plan these one-off game plans are hyper focused playoff football is different than regular season football it's just they're so hyper focused and these both these coaching staffs are both sides of the ball have shown that so like yeah like including the texans here it's like all right the only staff that has it is the texans offense you know so it's like all right is that the tiebreaker you know i trust you i've gone back and forth on this a billion times so yeah i i like the texas now or the the jags now have they have the three they can go 11 personnel and look awesome they could go uh multi-tight ends and they have the guy the horses to do that like Borker or whatever but he actually can block they have that they have a little O-line depth it's not great like O-line that's the thing that's the one thing that worries me but same with the Texans right you know so it's like yeah I think like Anthony Harrison is a better player than for example so I just think that they have better players yeah I think and then like defensively like again like they're not as good as the Texans obviously but they're pretty damn good and I like your point about like the adjustments over the course of the season like I thought Kevney would put together some really good play with game fans for really challenging opponents by the way this was not a defense that like just feasted on inferior competition it was defense where you know yes they had a lot of turnovers but like success rate and the run defense all very good they tackled well and now they add a cornerback who i think has got like unbelievable potential and travis hunter playing full time so oh i'm so jags pilled i don't know that's they they could they could hurt me for sure i'm trying to go to other shows to waver me off the jags and here i come on your show and now it's like we even talked to jordan lewis's breakout year monteric brown all these guys that they have no but that's the thing about travis hunter is now it's like i know really good safety yeah i know i know i know and the travis hunter thing is real though like he's so talented that it's like oh yeah this guy this guy that went number two even if he should have got number two overall as a corner Even in the whole two-way play stuff, he was still talented enough to play, be a top five pick at corner.

1:09:14And it's like, now you just get to focus on that mostly.

1:09:16Nate Tice:Yeah, and Lee Cork, you just bring in on certain passing plans and have fun with him. All right. This is really fun. Thanks, Mina. I don't think I even did a Super Bowl pick. It's the Rams. Boom, there you go. Shocker. Should I just go Cowboys and just have fun with it? What do you really think? Rams. I'm not saying I'm not I'm not one of those they're going to go 17 and 0 and no one can still I don't think that at all I think they'll actually go like 12 and 5 13 and 4 I don't think they'll run it at all but it's just they're just so deep and have so much talent and they have such good coaches and it's like yeah like O-line depth that's a good problem to have but then I get to the Cowboys I'm like running back depth is your issue so you're looking pretty good just keep circling it back I'm trying to think who else Who else would you even throw in there?

1:10:09Like Seahawks too, of course, because they are the ones, I mean, they hold the belt and everything runs through Seattle.

1:10:16Nate Tice:I think while Mike McDonald is the coach in Seattle, they could beat anyone. I wholeheartedly agree. I just think that. I wholeheartedly agree. He's one of those dudes. I actually feel better about their offense than I thought I would. I'm really interested in seeing the run game and what it looks like and what the little tweaks are and stuff. I know. I'm pretty high on their offense. Yeah, I think they'll be up there. AFC wise, I've been saying Broncos just because of how deep and balanced they are. Ravens, I think, have the highest ceiling right now. Yeah. Bills, I want to see the defense week one and then I can adjust.

1:10:55Nate Tice:I just don't. I don't know yet. I know. I've had them have a placeholder this whole offseason, whether that's fair or not. But it's just like, I'll get to you. Like, I'll get to you. I'm like, let me see this. Yep. Let me see it. I'm super high on Jim Leonard. Like, I really am. But it's also, does he have the horses to do what he wants to do? I don't know. So very high on maybe what they could be. But, again, it's ideas and theory right now. All right. I'm sure he'll be back on this show. But I will also hopefully join your show, Football 301. People, check it out wherever you get your podcasts.

1:11:29Nate Tice:It is an excellent program. as I mentioned I will be back later with Dominique Foxworth to preview week one so check back for that thank you as always to my friends at Omaha Productions Kirsten Specky, Owen Saylor, Jack Foster and Tucker Tashin and I'll see you guys in a couple days

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