In short
Longevity—five “proven” factors to extend lifespan: (1) diverse gut microbiome, (2) healthy social bonds, (3) sex/intimacy, (4) building and maintaining muscle mass, plus a fifth factor mentioned only in passing in this transcript (not fully covered).
Guests
Max Lugavere, New York Times bestselling author and host of The Genius Life; background in longevity and nutrition science communication.
Key claims and notable examples
- Microbiome diversity: A 2019 Gut Microbes study of people over 90 found greater microbiome diversity and lower inflammation markers. Claim: eating diverse foods increases microbiome diversity; “when you eat a blueberry, you’re also eating its microbiome.” Example: aiming for 10–20 different plant inputs/day (not 30).
- Social bonds: Brigham Young University meta-analysis of 148 studies: quality relationships associated with ~50% reduction in all-cause mortality. Example: “warm social bonds” (citing Robert Waldinger/Harvard study).
- Sex/intimacy: 16-year American Journal of Cardiology study (1,000+ men, 40–70): sex at least twice/week linked to ~50% lower heart-disease death risk; intimacy linked to oxytocin/cortisol balance and neurogenesis (University of Maryland cited).
- Muscle mass: framed as an “organ of longevity”; muscle supports glucose disposal, resilience after injury, and produces myokines for brain/immune support. Example: women fear “bulking up,” but claim it’s difficult without anabolic steroids; lifting legs supports memory/problem-solving and reduces anxiety.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCoffee's Role in Longevity
0:45 to 1:40
Exploring how coffee drinking can lower mortality risks.
“So I'm so grateful to be able to share this with you today.”
Boosting Longevity with Chaga
1:40 to 4:04
Discussing the benefits of chaga mushrooms for immune health.
“It is a powerful force against all-cause mortality.”
Community Connections and Reviews
4:08 to 5:55
Engaging listeners with a Spotify review and the importance of community.
“Another Spotify review from Rochella ANZE.”
Interview Introduction with Max Lugavere
5:55 to 7:11
Introducing guest Max Lugavere and the focus on longevity.
“He invited me on and we talked about the five mind-blowing things that are proven to increase your lifespan.”
Diversity in the Microbiome for Longevity
7:11 to 14:00
Discussing the importance of microbiome diversity for extending lifespan.
“What would you say today, you know, we're in, what month is it?”
Diversity in Diet for Longevity
14:00 to 17:19
Learn how dietary diversity, especially in fruits and vegetables, impacts gut health and lifespan.
“Because the average person, again, is getting like five to 10, right?”
The Power of Social Relationships
17:20 to 19:38
Discover how strong social bonds significantly reduce mortality risk and enhance life quality.
“Gut bacterial diversity, super, super important.”
Understanding Loneliness and Connection
19:39 to 21:42
Explore the implications of loneliness and the importance of genuine human interaction for health.
“You know, we're trying to red light our nuts.”
The Science of Human Energy Fields
21:43 to 25:18
Learn about the electromagnetic fields produced by humans and their influence on health and relationships.
“I've been studying a lot of the weird stuff with quantum science.”
Hormonal Impacts of Relationships
25:19 to 28:01
Understand how relationships and social interactions affect hormones related to stress and longevity.
“Where like some guy at the end like assassinated somebody and Billy Madison like, I'm glad I apologized to that guy.”
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Understanding Longevity and Immune Function
28:01 to 29:05
Learn about the key factors affecting longevity, including immune system health and social connections.
“So a big part of longevity is not dying, all right?”
The Impact of Sexual Activity on Longevity
29:06 to 30:27
Explore how sexual activity correlates with heart disease risk and overall longevity.
“And this one with that social connection, number three, with some sound data on longevity, is sex.”
Mind-Blowing Statistics on Sexual Activity
30:28 to 30:42
50% reduction in heart disease risk associated with frequent sexual activity.
“That is such a huge, like 50 % or 5 % is remarkable, but 50 % is mind-blowing.”
Neurogenesis and Sexual Health
30:43 to 33:08
Discover the connection between sexual activity, brain health, and neurogenesis.
“because it probably goes both ways, no pun intended.”
The Importance of Intimacy and Connection
33:09 to 35:17
Discuss the role of intimacy and emotional connections in supporting longevity.
“It's, I need, you know, like, we're coming up on Friday.”
Cultural Perspectives on Sexual Education
35:18 to 38:20
Examine how cultural attitudes shape sexual education and understanding of intimacy.
“If you're able to, to achieve and sustain a healthy erection, I mean, that, that's a good sign for your cardiovascular health.”
Cultural Perspectives on Sexual Education
38:21 to 40:06
Examine how cultural attitudes shape sexual education and understanding of intimacy.
“There's one beverage that rules them all when it comes to longevity.”
Cultural Perspectives on Sexual Education
40:33 to 40:43
Examine how cultural attitudes shape sexual education and understanding of intimacy.
“and get hooked up with all of this good stuff.”
Building Muscle for Longevity
40:44 to 42:00
Understand the significance of maintaining muscle mass for overall health and longevity.
“Next up, so we covered microbiome diversity.”
The Role of Muscle in Longevity
42:00 to 45:10
Learn how muscle mass contributes to longevity and resilience against diseases.
“or whatever the case might be, you know, dumb jock, right?”
Debunking Myths About Muscle and Women
45:10 to 51:25
Understand the misconceptions about women and muscle gain, and the benefits of strength training.
“That that weight training makes women appear bulkier.”
Importance of Strength Training After 40
51:25 to 53:22
Discover why building muscle should be a top priority for those over 40 and how to approach it safely.
“So just keeping all this in mind, this is for all of us.”
The Science of Protein and Health
53:22 to 56:00
Explore the importance of protein in diet and its role in overall health.
“And it's more difficult, just even the energy and all the different things.”
The Role of Protein in Longevity
56:00 to 57:20
Discover why protein is often misunderstood and its significance in our diets.
“And so some people had more fat in their diet.”
Muscle Building and Nutritional Balance
57:20 to 58:20
Learn about the importance of amino acids and the balance between protein and carbohydrates.
“Some of these plants, there's a toxic tolerance.”
Carbohydrates and Weight Management
58:20 to 1:01:00
Understand the role of carbohydrates in weight management and hydration.
“This is just like if you don't provide your body with the raw materials to make it, if you don't eat protein, you don't grow.”
Protein's Impact on Weight Loss
1:01:00 to 1:03:20
Explore how protein influences weight loss and metabolic health.
“But they took test subjects and they put them on a weight loss protocol, right?”
Meaningful Work and Longevity
1:03:20 to 1:06:10
Uncover the connection between job satisfaction and overall health.
“It was creating negative effects with their muscle mass, which again, this is being touted as the organ of longevity.”
Finding Purpose in Everyday Work
1:06:10 to 1:10:00
Learn how to find meaning and purpose in your work, regardless of the job.
“because we're very similar in this, it's like the work that we do matters and we feel it.”
Finding Joy in Work
1:10:00 to 1:12:02
Learn how mindset and attitude can transform your experience at work.
“But I found value and it kept persevering.”
Excellence as a Habit
1:12:02 to 1:13:48
Understand the importance of cultivating excellence in all aspects of life.
“I tell you, I mean, I, everything that I put out, everything that I, for as long as I can remember, I've always took immense pride in my, in my work.”
Acknowledging Efforts
1:13:48 to 1:14:21
Hear about the value of recognizing hard work and dedication in others.
“And for those who are just listening, I mean, you've got your notes there.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Shawn Stevenson:You are now listening to The Model Health Show with Shawn Stevenson. For more, visit themodelhealthshow.com.
0:11Shawn Stevenson:Today, we're going to be diving into five specific things that are proven to extend your lifespan. Some of these five are probably going to shock you, while others will reaffirm things that you already know that you need to put more intention into. This was from a recent interview that was one of the top 20 most downloaded podcast episodes in the United States. And it was an interview that I did on a show called The Genius Life with Max Lugavere. Max invited me on the show to talk about longevity and it went crazy on the internet streets. So I'm so grateful to be able to share this with you today.
0:48Shawn Stevenson:I think that you're in for a real treat. And speaking of treats, some folks feel that their cup of coffee in the morning is their personal treat to start the day. Now, can a cup of coffee in your morning routine deliver some benefits when it comes to longevity? Well, a recent meta-analysis of 40 studies published in the European Journal of Epidemiology revealed that regularly drinking coffee was associated with a lower risk of death from cardiovascular disease, certain types of cancer, and all-cause mortality. Now, just to be clear, this is a notable association, but the researchers did an amazing job adjusting for a variety of confounding factors like obesity, age, alcohol consumption, and much more.
1:33Shawn Stevenson:And drinking coffee stood out significantly as a strong element against premature death. It is a powerful force against all-cause mortality. And one of the potential reasons why was affirmed by researchers at Stanford University who recently deduced that compounds in coffee are able to defend our bodies against age-related inflammation. Now, if you take that and you add in dual-extracted organic medicinal mushrooms like chaga, now you've got something exceedingly powerful when it comes to longevity. Studies indicate that chaga significantly increases the activity and effectiveness of our natural killer cells, really helping to train our immune system.
2:20Shawn Stevenson:And chaga is also one of the richest sources of antioxidants utilized by humans. It's been shown to increase the levels of superoxide dismutase in our bodies. This is a natural antioxidant enzyme produced within our bodies that plays a significant role as a free radical scavenger. It essentially acts as a bodyguard that protects your DNA from damage and helps to reduce the workload placed on our immune system. Number one, if you're utilizing coffee, you want to make sure that that coffee is organic because we see the opposite with longevity when it comes to exposure to pesticides and other additives, other chemicals.
2:57Shawn Stevenson:So organic coffee plus organic wildcrafted chaga, that's what you get in the amazing Think Blend from Four Sigmatic. In addition, they also have dual extracted lion's mane medicinal mushroom, which has been affirmed by the University of Malaya to be neuroprotective as well. And right now you can get up to 20 % off of their phenomenal Think Blend when you go to foursigmatic.com forward slash model and take advantage of their special offer. That's F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-A-T-I-C.com forward slash model to take advantage of this right now. They've got a half-calf blend that is infused with a variety of adaptogens, things like ashwagandha.
3:43Shawn Stevenson:So lots of good stuff to check out. And if you're not a fan of coffee, that's okay. They've got some wonderful elixirs as well, utilizing these dual extracted medicinal mushrooms. But they're really doing this the best. This medicinal mushroom plus coffee blend explosion that's taking place right now was originated by the originators, Four Sigmatic. Again, head over to foursigmatic.com forward slash model. And now let's dive into the Spotify review of the week. Another Spotify review from Rochella ANZE. I love your podcast. You spoke at our national Optum House Calls Conference. Been a devoted listener.
4:22Aligns with my doctoral work in sarcopenia. You and your guests are uber informative. Evidence-based information I incorporate into my wellness visits with my patients. Bravo. Awesome.
4:34Shawn Stevenson:Thank you so much for sharing that over on Spotify. That's right. You can actually comment on the episodes on Spotify. You can also rate the show on Spotify now as well. And of course, if you're listening on Apple podcasts, you can leave a review and rate the show there as well. It really does mean a lot to please share your voice. And I love this one so much because I remember this speaking event. And also again, it's just so many wonderful ways to connect. And we need more of that today more than ever is again, attending live events and getting out and connecting with other people. And it's really about what we're investing our energy and our time into, you know, it's that ROI.
5:15Shawn Stevenson:And in particular with relationships, that ROR, return on relationships. And yes, these virtual relationships can be uber valuable, but where can we attend even online events as well, you know, but also So getting out and getting to events in person, connecting with community and sparking relationships from there. So just a really important reminder. And again, I really do appreciate you leaving that review for me on Spotify. And without further ado, let's get to this very special interview that I did on the Genius Life podcast with New York Times bestselling author, Max Lugavere. He invited me on and we talked about the five mind-blowing things that are proven to increase your lifespan.
6:05Shawn Stevenson:Enjoy. It always lights up my day when I get to hang with you, text with you, interact with you in any way. You are such a light in the industry, one of my close friends, confidants. And your book, your book forever, it's such a great book, Eat Smarter. the family cookbook is always adorning our set. That's how much I value you and the insight that you bring. That means a lot, really. I appreciate that. And just, you know, seeing this color scheme, by the way, with a lot of our friends and then seeing this really jumping out, it's just, it means a lot. I truly appreciate that, man. Of course. Well, it's been a minute since we've connected.
6:42Things are moving fast in the wellness world. You don't say. Very fast. Yeah. Well, Well, I figured a good place to start today for this conversation is, I guess, an overview of sorts with regards to the landscape of longevity. Yeah. So you are always deep in the weeds, the scientific literature, always talking to experts on your show, The Model Health Show, which is amazing. But let's, yeah, let's dive right in. What would you say today, you know, we're in, what month is it? I don't even know. April, 2025. What would you say are five mind-blowing things that are proven to extend lifespan?
7:25Shawn Stevenson:Yes, let's do this. Yes. So one of the things that's really getting a big spotlight shown on it, thankfully, is the microbiome. All right. So now we've got a ton of data on this. One of the most recent studies on this was published in 2019, and it was published in the journal Gut Microbes. As you know, there's journals dedicated to just about anything you can imagine. but they were looking at the microbiome makeup of people who have achieved longevity, right? So they were looking at a big subset of individuals who are over 90 years old, and they found something really interesting. People who had achieved this longevity had far greater diversity in their microbiome, more than people who are in the control group who are decades younger, all right?
8:10Shawn Stevenson:So there's something about this. Now, this isn't causality, of course, but there's this really powerful connection with the diversity of our bacteria, our gut bacteria, and how long we live. Now, what the researchers, and they looked at other confounding factors, but they really drilled down and found that these individuals who had more diversity in their gut microbiome had far lower markers for inflammation. And that's another one of these big catchwords today. Thankfully, we're talking about inflammation being a culprit behind so many chronic conditions. And so we're seeing there's this powerful regulatory force within our gut that's helping to keep inflammation in check.
8:46Shawn Stevenson:And so what we want to strive for, if we're looking at longevity and having that as one of our tenets, our intentions, is making sure that we have a diverse microbiome, right? Diversity was the hallmark found in the study. Now, of course, we've identified, and you've talked with Dr. William Leaves, really good friend of mine as well, and we've identified some specific strains, but this is going to just depend on where you live in all these different things. All right. Ackermancy is one of them, but more so than specific strains is the diversity and having more of the quote, friendly or gut buddies, you know, that our other mutual friend, Dr.
9:21Shawn Stevenson:Gundry calls him other friendly flora. And so how do we ensure that we're making sure that we're getting enough microbiome diversity? That's the question. That is the question. And so I talked about this in the Eat Smarter Family Cookbook, but also in particular Eat Smarter, which came out around 2020, shared a ton of studies on this. The number one way to increase your microbiome diversity is increasing the amount of diverse food inputs. It's pretty simple. All right. So in our culture today, we might go to the grocery store and it looks like all this stuff, but it's really the majority of the food there that's stacking up on the grocery store shelves is made from the same like five or six foods, like wheat, corn, soy, rice, various forms of sugar.
10:08Shawn Stevenson:and we are lacking so severely the diversity of inputs. Our ancestors would get somewhere in the ballpark of 3 ,000 different inputs from different foods over the course of, say, a couple of years. Today, the average person is lucky to get in maybe like 50, right, and so our microbiome is starving to death, essentially, and if we're not feeding those microbes the foods that they're looking for, they just, they can't thrive. if they can't diversify and flourish. And so one of the clearest studies that we have has affirmed that, and it's not, here's a big, this is a big takeaway for everybody. When you're eating a food, you're not just eating that food, you're eating that food's microbiome as well.
10:51Shawn Stevenson:We talked about this a little bit before, but I wanna emphasize this. When you eat a blueberry, it isn't just this little, oh, it's got antioxidants, it's kind of, you know, it's got some vitamins and minerals. It has its own microbiome. It has its own bacteria profile that we're eating along with that berry. Same with an avocado. You're eating that avocados microbiome. You're eating those peanuts microbiome. You're eating, the list goes on and on, the sweet potato microbiome. And so getting, you're basically taking on that data and it's interacting with your data. This isn't like a one-to-one thing where we eat that blueberries diversity, you know, their microbiome, and suddenly, you know, we're taking on that blueberry data.
11:29Shawn Stevenson:It's interacting with our microbiome. And so as you know, we have trillions, trillions of different bacteria that are in and on our bodies. But the gut microbiome is just one of these areas. And we'll talk more about this as we go on because now we're looking at, you know, our skin has a microbiome. Our lungs have a microbiome. Now there's more and more data emerging about the microbiome with the brain as well. And so what we want to do is target diversity in our diets. even if we're health health minded we can get stuck in a rut and i've been guilty of this you know where you know somebody's maybe they're trying to build some muscle so they got like the chicken rice vegetable you know chicken sweet potato vegetable whatever and they're just eating the same things over and over again it's the bodybuilder diet the bodybuilder diet and it works to a degree but the bodybuilding isn't necessarily associated with longevity because our conversation is about longevity there there is a big component of that which we'll get to later on with bodybuilding, but we want to be mindful.
12:29Shawn Stevenson:Yes, you can be very simplistic in those inputs, but make sure you're getting in something somehow where you're getting a bunch of different things in once. That can be in a shake, you know, like you've got your protein shake over there that you're drinking on. You can add another, you know, five, six things to that. And you've done this before experimenting, blending a bunch of stuff up, but getting those different plant inputs in particular, and this has been controversial, we both have talked about this. You know, we've got friends who are hardcore carnivore diet, hardcore vegan diet. And the reality is humans evolved eating as an omnivore and eating a diversity of these inputs.
13:09Shawn Stevenson:And so there are a lot more different plant inputs that we have access to. Even the average American, of course, isn't eating a diversity of different animals as well. You know, like my wife is from Kenya, so they eat goat, nyamachoma and for me it's just her aunt made it one time i was just like i can't do it i was just pitching the baby goat goat yoga i was just like i can't i couldn't get into it you know what i mean and so but maybe striving to again like if you you know maybe try a different type of fish when you go out to a restaurant like just taking those opportunities to get in more diversity in your diet be consistent in it you know we have uh some colleagues who were like urging people to get in 30 different plant inputs a day or different nutrition inputs.
13:53Shawn Stevenson:I think that's a bit much. I don't think we should try to strive that far. I think we should do something that's a little bit closer or easier on ramp for people, which is 10 to 20, right? Because the average person, again, is getting like five to 10, right? So just upping the diversity of those inputs, it's going to help to diversify your microbiome, which is going to correlate with a longer lifespan. You're so right. I mean, today, the standard American diet, it presents, I feel like it, that you only there's the the illusion of variety but really most of the foods that americans today are consuming i mean they fall within the category of ultra processed foods which are just permutations of the same handful of crops that are monocrops today that have that are really high in their caloric density typically pretty low in nutrient density right like wheat corn rice you mentioned some of these.
14:44And they don't often contain many of the phytochemicals that we're starting to understand now are powerfully associated with good health. So I think this is fantastic advice.
14:54Shawn Stevenson:You just opened the door to another part of that, which is protecting the microbes we have. You know, if you're eating all of these highly refined ultra processed foods, they're coming along with the conglomeration of things that are toxic to our gut. Not to mention the pesticides herbicides rodenticides all these things that are designed to kill small organisms can wreak havoc on our gut and so you know being mindful of that and also you mentioned this illusion it's an illusion of diversity you know if you go down a cereal aisle there's so many options there's so many kinds all right we didn't have much money so we got the off-brand stuff but it was so many we didn't have fruit loops we had like fruit rings and there's like you know instead that a Captain Crunch was like King vitamin or some shit, but it still looked like there's all these options and, but it's really all made from the same stuff.
15:43Shawn Stevenson:And so just taking back control of our thinking and being more intentional, especially when we're going into the produce section. And here's another big tip for everybody. And this is something that I've been very adamant about recently, like the last couple of years. There's great websites as well. Maybe you could throw one in the show notes where you can look up seasonal produce in your area, right you could just put the city the city that you're in and you could see what's growing in your environment that's probably just based on evolution nature's providing inputs that can help you to adapt right we got this category of like adaptogens but really all food in our environment is like providing it's in our environment and we are a part of our environment and that's what we forget and so looking up some seasonal produce like more recently so this was maybe like two months ago was the last time I looked.
16:32Shawn Stevenson:It was like persimmons, you know, like stuff that I normally wouldn't get and don't necessarily like, but I just grabbed a couple persimmons. There's a certain type of grapefruit. It was like a big, it was like green. It was a massive type of grapefruit. Is that a pomelo? Yes. Is that what that is? Yes. It's a pomelo. Yeah. I just impressed myself. I've never, I don't think I've ever had a pomelo, but I've seen it. Yep. I'm like, what the hell is that? It was in season, so I just grabbed some palmellos and sliced it up, had it, you know, just getting in these. And it's because of having that insight and the intention.
17:05Shawn Stevenson:And then it brings a level of fun. And also, at some point, you're going to find stuff that you really resonate with, too, that you might find your new favorite food. I think everybody listening or watching, you have yet to have your best meal. You've yet to have the greatest meal that brings the most pleasure and joy to your life. That's still to come, you know. Still to come. Yeah. I love that. Gut bacterial diversity, super, super important. Lower levels of inflammation you mentioned. Yeah. I mean, that's major. Yeah. A lot of people are struggling with inflammatory conditions today. And inflammation has been linked recently to, you know, even the non-obvious conditions that nobody wants.
17:43Depression has been connected to inflammation. There's the, you know, the inflammatory cytokine model of depression. So your food could actually be impairing your mood, which is a crazy concept.
17:56Shawn Stevenson:I love this. And we know that depression, you know, we have an epidemic, to say the least, of mental health conditions. But depression is now the number one disability in the United States, number one cause of disability. And it's, you know, wreaking havoc on our society. And we know that it is counter to longevity as well. So we don't want to just live a long time and be unhappy. You know what I mean? We want to keep our faculties. We want to have great cognitive function, good mental health, feel good, be happy. and all these things feed into the, to each other. And we'll talk more about this.
18:29Shawn Stevenson:Um, but number one, again, is diversity of your microbiome. We know this, we've got tons of studies on this. I just mentioned just a couple at this point, but to move on to the next one, this really kind of piggybacks on that sentiment, which is again, keeping in mind that we're a part of nature as well. We need a lot of diversity with our microbiome, a diverse community. We need the same thing for us as well as human beings. So number two for longevity, one of the biggest bodies of evidence that we have, we talked about this before, but I'm going to reiterate this point. Brigham Young University, meta-analysis, over 148 studies, okay, 148 different studies.
19:10Shawn Stevenson:And they checked out all these different confounding factors. And they found that having healthy social bonds, the quality of our relationships, people who have healthy social bonds have a 50 % reduction in all-cause mortality compared to other people, all right? 50 % reduction in death essentially from all causes. Now, again, they looked at beating obesity. They looked at exercise. They looked at all these other things that matter. But the quality of our relationships mattered more. It was the number one thing. But we don't talk about this. We're looking for the next biohack. You know, we're trying to red light our nuts.
19:45Shawn Stevenson:You know what I mean? But instead of like focusing on the thing that matters most, all right, if you're gonna red light your nuts, do it with friends. Do it with friends. You heard it here first. So keeping this in mind, and also, you know, one of the people who's been a big influence on me is Dr. Waldinger. He's the director out of the longest running longitudinal study at Harvard of human longevity, really. But it was happened by accident how it all happened. But again, he's reiterating that point. And he didn't believe it. I tend to, I have a strong skepticism bone, which I think is very healthy today more than ever.
20:22Shawn Stevenson:And so, so did he. So when he was getting past the baton in this longevity study, he was skeptical that relationships mattered so much. So he went and reviewed the data. He went and checked with other top institutions and he found like, I can't deny it. Having war as he called it warm social bonds or warm social relationships was the number one factor determining how long you're going to live. Now, with this being said, how many of us are actually educated on how to have healthy relationships. Yeah. I didn't take that class in school, you know, like in today, more than ever, we are so, we are so disconnected in a way, you know, like we can just look on an app to find a significant other or, you know what I mean?
21:08Shawn Stevenson:It's just, I, I, this was prior to me, you know, like I met my wife prior to this innovation, you know, not to say, not to negate the benefits that can, there are tons of great relationships that work out with apps and things like that. But there is so much disconnection, like, and we're more isolated than we've ever been, right? We're spending more time. My point being, we're spending more time on our devices and it's dividing us. And so we're not spending more time, which in the real world, you're getting feedback immediately, whether or not you're connecting with somebody. And we also, and this is just to get a little bit more into the metaphysics, quantum physics.
21:45Shawn Stevenson:I've been studying a lot of the weird stuff with quantum science. It's just so weird and amazing. But HeartMath Institute, they were looking at some of the energy fields that the human body emits. And so we've known about this stuff for a long, long time. And so just a great example is a heart monitor. You can see the electrical output of the human heart. We are an electrical bio, like electrical biomagnetic entity, right? And so the researchers at HeartMath found that the human body, specifically from the human heart, it has an electromagnetic field that expands from your body. It can be as far as eight feet from you, all right?
22:31Shawn Stevenson:And so it's this energy field. And so when you're close to other people, your energy field is interacting. We know that we're exchanging microbial data, right? We're exchanging data for our microbiome. We know that people who have pets or have different people that they're around have more diversity of their microbiome and they tend to have a longer lifespan, right? I can go on and on. We're exchanging things that we can't even see when we're with other people. And so all that gets muted when you're on your phone, by yourself, in your room all the time, watching Netflix and all this stuff, which there's some great stuff out there okay let's just be honest but we've got to be more proactive than ever than ever before ai is here all right my my youngest son he's 13 he was just um some commercial came on about ai and he was like dad people are acting like they didn't see the matrix and i was like bro you're 13 how did you know that like that's amazing and so it's here But I think our greatest job or blessing potentially in this, because it's here, like we might as well just understand that.
23:39Shawn Stevenson:How do we evolve and adapt? Investing more in our relationships and being in the real world with other people. AI might, if you're using it effectively, free up your time, right? It could do the jobs of a lot of other people, giving you more time to invest in humanity and, you know, in the real world. So, yeah, I mean, and not to not to discount what you're saying, but I am optimistic that AI is going to provide a solution for people for whom IRL social connection is difficult. You know, maybe disabled people, elderly people like AI, AI just passed the Turing test, if I recall correctly, from what I saw on on X, which is amazing.
24:22Like sooner sooner or later, we're going to have AI companions. And I, you know, obviously, we have no idea how that's going to unfold in terms of the human psyche. But I mean, you brought up Robert Waldinger. I had him on my show in the past. And I mean, he's likened loneliness to a toxin on par with consuming alcohol or smoking cigarettes. So, I mean, yeah, I'm optimistic that AI will at least do something for the epidemic of loneliness. At least that's my hope. I could be naive. Hey, I could turn around and just like start executing us.
24:56Shawn Stevenson:I mean, I mean, you know, it's, yeah, it's one of those things, man. That's why I'm always very polite with ChatGPT. I'm like, please and thank you. Yeah. Because you never know. The day it becomes sentient. ChatGPT is listening right now and taking notes. Like, who got respect? Who's putting respect on my name? Exactly. So it's like, I think it was, was it Billy Madison? Where like some guy at the end like assassinated somebody and Billy Madison like, I'm glad I apologized to that guy. You know? But let's look at some of the factors underneath why this matters. So I mentioned how we're sharing microbial data, how we're interacting with each other, you know, the energy field.
25:37Shawn Stevenson:And that's, again, getting a little bit outside of the parameters of conventional science. But also being around other people, especially people that you feel safe with, dramatically increases your production and mobilization of what we refer to as these kind of anti-aging health affirmative hormones and neurotransmitters. transmitters, things like oxytocin, for example, which is really getting a moment as well. But oxytocin, we've been doing, all we're doing with modern science is identifying stuff that our ancestors knew forever. Like being with somebody that you love, hugging feels good. All right.
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26:11Shawn Stevenson:Oxytocin is getting this nickname of like the love hormone, the cuddle hormone. There's so many others, so many others, many we've not even identified yet. You know, there's anandamide there's you know prolactin has some roles in this like there's so many others so to just make it like that is the love hormone it's not it's not like that but what we do know is that it is one of the most remarkable hormones that is able to counteract the activity of cortisol all right so we know that most of us are just cortisol addicts that they just stress on tap. And cortisol is awesome. It has its role, but the amounts that we're producing because of our chronic low-grade stress all the time and the times that we're producing it is a problem as well.
26:57You know, circadian medicine, maybe you heard it here first.
27:00Shawn Stevenson:I've talked about it a little bit in my books, but that is, from my perspective, it's what's to come. It's circadian medicine, circadian nutrition, all that stuff. It's already here, but that's going to be a big topic of conversation coming up. And so oxytocin, cortisol, we were talking about cortisol, cortisol produced high levels at night, very disruptive to sleep quality. If you're watching Netflix, if you're watching Severance, you know, right before bed, your cortisol is going to be a little elevated. All right. And you might have your blue light blocking glasses on. I helped to popularize that.
27:32Shawn Stevenson:Okay. 12 years ago, Sleep Smarter came out. All right. So I get it. And it does help, but there's a stimulation when we're on our devices, right? And so oxytocin, spending some time, what if you unplug for a little bit, hang out with your family, hang out with your significant other, hang out with your puppy, whatever. Just spend a little time, down-regulate, all right? We mentioned a little bit of the microbiome exchange. That's also immune system data, all right? So a big part of longevity is not dying, all right? A big part of longevity is not dying. What are the main things taking us out, right?
28:10Shawn Stevenson:Heart disease. We'll talk more about that in a little bit, but in particular with the next one I'm going to share, but also all manner of immune system dysfunction, whether it's related to cancer, whether it's related to infectious diseases, we've got to make sure that our immune system is strong and resilient and intelligent, right? And so the ability to have immunomodulation is one of those things that is improved when you're around other people and having healthy social bonds and it goes back to the microbiome too because you're sharing microbes you're yeah cohabitating with people who are out in the world doing things bringing various benign microbes back into the house and it's one of the reasons why having a dog seems to be so consistently related with better immune function and longevity yep not so for cats not so much for cats which is kind of a bummer for me but uh how many cats do have i just got one i just got one okay just one but she's an indoor cat so it's she's not it's not like she's like out in the world bringing strange bugs back into the house yeah um which is i think the mechanism by which dogs are you know because they're just out sniffing things and tracking stuff in um super interesting stuff okay so social connection yeah so gut bacterial diversity we've got social connection which is super super important yeah what's number three Number three, we're just going to keep piggybacking.
29:34Shawn Stevenson:And this one with that social connection, number three, with some sound data on longevity, is sex. All right. So I'm going to share this study specifically. So this was - You just made a lot of people either really happy or really depressed. Well, okay, we're going to dive in. We're going to dive in. No pun intended. This was a 16-year study. This was published in the American Journal of Cardiology. All right. So again, this is a journal dedicated to the heart and cardiovascular system. The number one cause of death in the United States still is the champion is heart disease. And this was conducted with over 1 ,000 male participants.
30:12Shawn Stevenson:And we're going to talk about women as well, by the way. But this was over 1 ,000 male participants aged 40 to 70. And it found that men who had sex at least twice a week were almost 50 % less likely to die from heart disease than men who had sex once a month or less. There's a connection there. That is such a huge, like 50 % or 5 % is remarkable, but 50 % is mind-blowing. It should make us stop in our tracks, like what's going on here? Now, again, we can't talk about causation with this because it probably goes both ways, no pun intended. Is that gonna keep happening? So looking at the ability to have sex and have a healthy sexual relationship means you have good circulation, right?
30:58Shawn Stevenson:You have good blood flow. And one of my really good friends is Dr. Daniel Amen. And him and I have had multiple conversations about this and understanding that circulation, that blood flow. So this could be a chicken or egg scenario, but they help each other. They help each other. And with that being said, having that healthy social connection, it isn't a relationship, intimate connection in particular. it isn't just preventative of heart disease but also it is remarkable because he's a brain expert he has the largest database of spec imaging so he's scanned everybody's brain from Muhammad Ali to Justin Bieber yeah you know what I mean and his data was used for the big NFL study the list goes on on he's a he's a genius absolute brilliant guy but the sweetest guy as well and And his work was also mirrored by researchers at the University of Maryland who found that regular sexual activity was able to actually stimulate neurogenesis.
32:00Shawn Stevenson:All right. And when you hear that, there's another study coupled with that one that came out in 2010 that found, of course, it was a hippocampus, the memory center of the brain, glorified memory center of the brain. But this stimulates growth and development, new brain cells. or something about sex that is just like it pushes that button that turns on another pun, turns on that brain activity. And one of the things that he shared with me was that our largest sexual organ is the brain, you know, again, contrary to, you know, what the guy might say. But, you know, it's just keeping that in mind that, you know, this is it's great and nourishing for your brain, for your cardiovascular system.
32:41Shawn Stevenson:and there's studies in particular on orgasm with women and studying brain activity and seeing how remarkable it is with creating positive changes in the female brain. So helping to reduce stress, obviously, but making the brain much more resilient, more healthy blood flow and circulation in parts of the brain associated with better cognitive function, disease prevention, the list goes on and on. so we know that sex and orgasm but they don't necessarily go together or have to go together but that intimacy in particular again seeking that out being more intentional about that we're in a society that tends to pull that away right so a big part even even without the sexual intercourse part just the proximity being close to the person that you care about or that cares about you and for those who aren't currently uh maybe not doesn't have direct access to smashing all right right now it's totally okay of course you know you can have your eyes on that but just being around do whatever you can do to be around people that care about you there's so much benefit that comes from that we're just talking about going you know all the way like what does the data say now to get into some of the tactical things here that study noted that twice a week twice a week created a 50 reduction in heart disease versus once a month all right knowing this data is probably not a good idea well you maybe want to send your significant other this podcast maybe all right but just being like honey you know i need to this has only been once this week.
34:34Shawn Stevenson:It's, I need, you know, like, we're coming up on Friday. Yeah. So it's not like that. It's the other things that are involved in the process of sex and having a healthy sexual relationship that help to support our longevity and our health, which is intimacy, which is being intentional, which is being compassionate and understanding and listening or whatever, whatever quality needs to emerge from you to have that sexual health that you want to have. It isn't just this tactical thing. Like I need to bust a nut. Okay. Cause it's like this time of, you know, of the week, right? Yeah. There's a lot, there's a lot to unpack there.
35:10I mean, I think if you're, if you're able to, as a man, if you're able to, and also female, cause women have erectile tissue analogous to the penis. If you're able to, to achieve and sustain a healthy erection, I mean, that, that's a good sign for your cardiovascular health. That's one of the first things to go. You know, a lot of people with preclinical cardiovascular disease, I'm sure, you know, like they develop erectile dysfunction. So I think that's, yeah, even if you don't have a significant other, I mean, I would wager that, you know, if you're masturbating, you know, you pre and you're able to achieve healthy erections that way, like that's a good sign.
35:46It's also good for the prostate, prostate health. I was reading something, you know, recently and due to too rigorous a dive, but, um, it's good for men for the, for prostate health to ejaculate more more frequently i also think that mouth genital contact on particularly performed on women a lot of women in the audience probably be really happy to hear this it's my my hypothesis that that's very good for at the very least the male's microbiome because there's some good lactobacilli down there the vaginal my healthy vaginal microbiome you want to share that
36:25Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. We should put the title of this episode, Eat the Kitty. All right. It's going to have multiple meanings, you know, but this is one of those things where, you know, again, we in our culture today, things are slightly different, but the culture that I grew up in, this was such a foreign concept, right? Again, we're not taught about this stuff. We're just kind of thrust into, last one, that's my last pun. We are thrust into a sexual relationship without understanding the other person. We just had that awkward class in school, if you get that, right? Most of the time it's like middle school.
37:02And so little attention is paid to the female body, you know, and really understanding,
37:11Shawn Stevenson:you know the role of the clitoris and you know how pleasure is it can be different it's not just about this thing that you're you're thinking about as a guy for your own pleasure but being more intentional in that and learning about it read a book you know listen to some of these experts when you mentioned the prostate health it thought about i thought about my friend dr rena malik and she's shared she's a expert in sexual health for men and women and you know she talks about stimulation also dr jolene brighton is another person and sexual pleasure for women and so just getting some education and as max just threw on here for the for the science bros also you know you're going to be helping your own microbiome you know it's a it's a win-win yeah cunnilingus is the new kombucha no but actually did you there was a viral do you remember this there was a viral headline a couple years ago a woman cultured the bacteria from her own vagina and used it to make yogurt.
38:09Well, damn.
38:10Shawn Stevenson:I mean, you can make yogurt out of anything. That was a thing. Case in point. Yeah. We all know yogurt's good for you. Damn coconut yogurt. Yeah. That's crazy. Dairy-free. You've got lots of options. Lots of optionality there. Got a quick break coming up. We'll be right back. There's one beverage that rules them all when it comes to longevity. In fact, a study published just last year in The Lancet found that people who regularly drink tea age slower than people who do not. Now there are so many varieties of tea that come teeming with health benefits and flavor profiles from green tea to ginger tea and more.
38:48Shawn Stevenson:And speaking of anti-aging and anti-obesity effects, a study published in the journal Clinical Interventions in Aging took 59 overweight or mildly obese subjects to see if the renowned tea called Puerh makes a notable difference in weight loss. The randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial gave participants either a placebo or Puerh for a 20-week study period. There were no other interventions noted. Here's what happened. The researcher stated, quote, consumption of Puerh was associated with statistically significant weight loss when compared to the placebo. Fat loss was seen for the arms, legs, and the hip and belly region.
39:32Shawn Stevenson:The participants who received Pu-erh lost more overall body fat. And what was especially remarkable was that they maintained more of their muscle mass. And that is the equation for healthy aging. The tea that I personally drink most often is Pu-erh. But the only Pu-erh that I drink is from Peak Life. It's triple toxin screened for purity and made through a patented cold extraction technology that makes it as effective as what was seen in this study. It's wild harvested and truly the best Pu-erh on earth. Head over to peaklife.com forward slash model right now and you'll receive up to 20 % off plus some limited time free bonuses like an electric frother to mix your favorite beverages.
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40:50Shawn Stevenson:Next up, so we covered microbiome diversity. We covered the importance of healthy social bonds. We covered sex and the impact that can have on longevity. Tons of data and more is emerging on that as well. Number four, and this really ties into a lot of these other things and makes it possible to do these other things. number four is building and maintaining your muscle mass all right i'm so grateful so many of my friends and colleagues are just championing this message right now i've texted with dr gabrielle lion she's one of the sweetest people man she's always checking in on me making sure i'm making sure i'm good she's amazing um but she's a muscle-centric physician and this this it's really a revolution in understanding because it was kind of relegated, the idea of building muscle to the bodybuilding community or athletes.
41:49Shawn Stevenson:And the personification, like how we identified that domain oftentimes was associated with a shorter lifespan, ironically, or, you know, not as smart, not as good cognitive health or whatever the case might be, you know, dumb jock, right? Kind of a stereotype. when in reality, in reality, muscle is very likely of all of our different organs and organ systems, we could make a strong argument that it is the organ of longevity. Now, I'm going to give some reasons why. Now, this, of course, the brain is huge in this. Obviously, it's controlling all this stuff. The microbiome, huge. But our muscle tissue is one of the biggest factors for our survivability.
42:35Shawn Stevenson:Right? So being resilient, again, a big part of longevity is not dying. A big part of longevity is not dying, making us more resilient against whether it's cancer. We know that cancer, cancer trials, diagnoses, going through cancer treatment, people who have more muscle mass survive. All right. And whether this is, let's actually, let's check off some boxes here. so when it comes to muscle muscle is our body's primary source for glucose disposal right so we know that abnormal glucose regulation insulin resistance all these things are epidemics leading to higher rates of heart disease dementia cancer the list goes on and on we can make an argument that you know the majority of the 10 leading causes of death are directly connected to insulin resistance and poor glucose management.
43:30Shawn Stevenson:Muscle is the number one reservoir for absorbing and clearing the blood of glucose. If you have muscle, your body just does it way better. All right? So it's like an insurance policy against prediabetes and insulin resistance, all manner of blood sugar abnormalities, right? So that's number one. So again, helping you to not die. uh number two muscle is in a very interesting interesting way it's kind of like it's like a reservoir it's like a it's like a container that that holds on to and contains a lot of anti-aging compounds hormones that over time and this is why you know people who have a healthy amount of muscle if they get injured for example even at older age they tend to recover right they might break something, but they're not wheelchair bound for the rest of their lives.
44:23Shawn Stevenson:Muscle has like a reservoir that's able to pump these things into your system to help you to bounce back. All right. So it's very protective. It's like a reservoir for anti-aging hormones. And another aspect is the myokines. All right. So we know that the emerging science with these myokines that our muscles produce when we contract them, when we're using our muscles, they're producing these myokines that have powerful impacts on keeping your brain healthy and protective. They're neuroprotective. They're also very powerful at helping to regulate and support your immune system. Again, helping you to not die.
44:56Shawn Stevenson:All of this is going on with muscle. I can go on and on and on, but the most obvious one is just the pure functionality. Muscle, what is its purpose? Like just superficially is to help you to do stuff, to move around, to be able to do life stuff, right so whether we're talking about being with your community right being able to walk or to play a sport or whatever the case might be muscle is what is enabling you to do that um what about to i mean i have a very savvy audience so i don't know how many you know listeners right now are thinking this but just in the odd chance that that there are some females listening that are like well i don't want to be too bulky you know i don't want to pack on muscle like a bodybuilder become G.I.
45:42Jane, Demi Moore, you know, from G.I. Jane back in the day. How would you debunk that myth? Because it is a myth, right? Yeah. That that weight training makes women appear bulkier.
45:54Shawn Stevenson:My man, I've been talking about this for almost 20 years, for over 20 years, actually. And now I'm hearing a lot of things that I've shared, like being echoed by really influential people. and one of them that I had said like 20 years ago was just again very superficially very obvious men we do a lot of stuff to try to put muscle on we do a lot we're trying to we're trying to get in all these macros we're doing protein shakes we're working our ass off to try to build muscle it's hard it's hard to do all right and we have the hormonal cascade the testosterone advantage to be able to do it way better than women.
46:37Shawn Stevenson:It's so difficult for us to do it. And yet women are afraid like they're going to get bulky. Most men are struggling their ass off to try to get bulky. All right. So you could just put that to bed. This is not one of those things to put on a sizable, noticeable, intimidating, scary amount of muscle takes so much. It's like a full-time job. And then the will of, you know, I almost said Will Smith, but I don't know if that's, if it's too soon, but like the will of, you know, somebody who is very mentally like driven. Right. And so please just, even from that alone, just look at like, most guys are trying to get big and they can't, they're at the gym all the time.
47:21Shawn Stevenson:They just, they're just not putting on muscle like that. Now there is of course, strategy behind doing stuff and being able to, you know, see some progress for, for women. and thankfully this conversation has changed dramatically in the last few years a lot of women are just like no i'm done i'm done with that like that whole belief is it what i'm what's coming up for me is like my my wife being from kenya and having a physical culture right and so being much more active and understanding that women throughout history have been very active and doing a lot of like heavy lifting, in particular lifting kids, helping with gathering and things like that.
48:02Shawn Stevenson:I almost said hunting. I just watched this movie, Prey. It's like a predator movie. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I've heard of it. But she wants to be a hunter. That's the whole thing. But anyways, but just being able to help out and to do a lot of things that require muscle, that require a very physical culture. We had a much more physically literate culture where muscle was required. but today all of that has been muted and so there's been also this paradigm of the uh kind of demure or demure like very petite and soft and like you know just hidden tucked away very delicate woman there is a place for that obviously absolutely but also there is something your genes are expecting your genes expect you to be strong because it's about survivability right And your version of what muscle and what strength is going to look like is very different from a bulky guy.
49:00Shawn Stevenson:All right. For you to actually put on muscle that you feel like I'm, you know, I'm like whatever, you're probably going to have to take some, you know, some anabolic steroids and things like that. And, you know, you just can't do that eating good food and lifting weights. You know, it's just you got to just put that whole idea to bed. Yeah, almost every jack person that you see male or female on social media, they're all augmented. I mean, the vast majority of them, even those that will claim that they're natty, they're not. And also for women, like lifting heavy things is the best way to fortify bone strength.
49:33Shawn Stevenson:Yes, that part, that part. And that signal, your bone also, again, stem cells, all these different data aspects of like immune system function, cognitive function. there are things that are great for protecting and regenerating your brain tissue that are embedded in your bones and when you use your bones when you put late uh weight-bearing exercise onto your bones it helps your brain and this circles back to and i remember it was a conversation i had with andrew huberman about that and this comes back to how muscle and cognitive function actually go hand in hand as well we know that cardiovascular exercise is great for the brain We know that tons of studies on that, but there is less data now about lifting weights and cognitive function, but we do have some pretty remarkable sets of data on this.
50:22Shawn Stevenson:In particular, lifting legs, strong quad muscles, strong leg muscles, and having a better long-term memory and better problem-solving ability and less anxiety, more stress resilience when people have stronger legs and they're working their legs on a regular basis. So getting stronger legs. If you're going to work any muscles, don't skip leg day. All right? That paradigm is over as well. I feel like a lot of fellas need to hear that. Yeah. You know, fellas, where I tend to be, if I'm going to skip any day, it's going to be leg day. Yeah. And I feel like for women, it's probably the opposite. Of course.
51:02Shawn Stevenson:Right? Yeah. There's a, we have the, there's a paradigm of, you know, it's all about the booty right now, you know, so leg day and, you know, that whole thing. And for guys, it's still just like trying to get the big arms and the chest and that kind of thing and the big V taper. And I get it. Like, who doesn't like a nice butt? Yeah, I know. This goes back to the one we talked about earlier. So just keeping all this in mind, this is for all of us. Our genes expect us to be strong. Our genes expect us to walk. Our genes expect us to lift heavy things. Our genes expect us to be able to move quickly.
51:38Shawn Stevenson:these are all external environmental inputs that are telling our genes that i'm fit to be alive all right and so giving your body these inputs on a regular basis are just going to again it's going to lean towards you living longer it's very logical we're just talking about basic logic and then we get into the minutiae and so yes we talked about um the myokines we talked about anti-aging reservoir. We talked about glucose disposal, but the main obvious thing is just pure functionality, being able to move and do stuff in the world. Having more muscle is telling the environment, these environmental inputs, I'm qualified to live.
52:18Shawn Stevenson:I'm strong enough to hold my own in this world. And so my recommendation for everybody listening is to make this, especially, especially when you hit 40 40 and over your number one priority should be building muscle number one priority the cool thing is there's there's a lot of um depth data and this has been but from really unhealthy populations to be honest but on just how you how much muscle you lose each decade as you get older right sarcopenia kicking in eventually now we know that it doesn't have to happen it doesn't have to happen you can build and maintain your muscles at 80 you can still build muscle and you can still protect and maintain that muscle is it harder yeah it's harder all right so now is the time to bank the muscle bank it bank it you can kind of coast on that for decades if you just maintain the muscle mass that you build.
53:20Shawn Stevenson:But there's issues with protein metabolism as you get older. It is a thing. And it's more difficult, just even the energy and all the different things. So is it possible later on? Absolutely. But we want to get a jumpstart on it right now, especially again, once you hit 40, it should be your number one fitness priority, build muscle. Everything else is cool. Build muscle first. Amen. Yeah. I love how you described it as an insurance policy. I had a, an exercise scientist on the show recently, Bill Campbell, who, um, I mean, he cited some really interesting research showing that even people in their eighties, like are still totally capable of building muscle.
54:00Like it's really, it truly is never too late. Obviously there's higher risk of injury. You want to make sure that you're doing it safely. If you've never worked out before, like my dad, my dad's never been in a gym in his life. You want to work with a professional so that you don't hurt yourself but yeah super good advice and then nutritionally before moving on like how do you support that because protein you kind of touched on protein metabolism but yeah i would assume that that that there are certain nutritional uh recommendations that can help support those efforts absolutely and some of this stuff again
54:33Shawn Stevenson:it's captain obvious but because of the diet wars we can create this kind of um we can have blinders on in our minds and misses. And so when I started in this field and I've been, it's 22 years now, been working in health and fitness, starting off in my university gym, working as a personal trainer to opening my clinical practice, working as a nutritionist for years. I, when I had my nutritional science class in college, we were taught about the food pyramid, you know, and And we had this low fat paradigm. It was heavy, right? The teacher was talking about the studies on how fat, you know, leads to cardiovascular disease and da da da, right?
55:17Shawn Stevenson:And the thing was at the time, I wasn't as well versed in reading the research myself. Neither was my professor. Because if they actually read something, you know, it's more so like this is handed out, Like this is the, you know, the one sheet on what to talk about when it comes to this subject. So fat was shamed. Carbs more recently have been shamed, right? Low carb, low carb movement, low carb for life. And, you know, all the while with these, and by the way, there's value in each of these. It just depends on you. That's really where I got when working with people, thankfully, and this was years ago, was doing what was best for the person and not based on what my beliefs were, right?
56:02Shawn Stevenson:And so some people had more fat in their diet. Some people had more carbs in their diet, right? But what was left out of the conversation, these diet wars is protein. Protein was shamed big time because it's supposed to be like, this is the thing that shortens your lifespans. Too much protein, too much protein. and some of the most well-conducted studies that have analyzed the data on protein intake, it's far, it's far from like actually looking at not some isolated part of an animal food or like a casein molecule, but like looking at protein intake, it's far from, you know, this dogma that we've been taught.
56:37Shawn Stevenson:And so all that to be said, protein has been here as a pillar this whole time. it's the most valuable things that our ancestors were looking for all right throughout human this human experience hundreds of thousands of years protein you can get your hands on an animal you're you're gonna be all right all right and there are again thousands we're not um diminishing the value of plants and plant inputs because we get into a camp of that you know where it's just like plants are trying to kill you and then animals are like what do you eat then right We are omnivores. We are very intelligent at being able to find, and our ancestors figured out which foods we could eat and eat healthfully and safely because there's a limit to just about anything as well.
57:24Shawn Stevenson:Too much protein is bad too. You can eat too many. Some of these plants, there's a toxic tolerance. You can hit a threshold where it is hurting you. But getting a little bit of it can actually help your immune system and your gut diversity and give you all these other benefits. It's kind of like, you know, and, you know, we talked with Dr. Sharon Berkowitz about this as well. Oh, yeah. And those plant inputs actually being one of those keys to longevity is that, quote, healthy stressor. But for some of our colleagues, they're like, we don't want any of that stress because it's killing you. Right.
58:00Shawn Stevenson:That spinach is definitely it's murdering you. Right. And the reality is a little bit different, a lot different actually. But again, we don't want to go full in. We're not trying to have a massive spinach smoothie every day necessarily either. And so getting specifically to building muscle. Muscle is made from amino acids. It's made from proteins. This is just like if you don't provide your body with the raw materials to make it, if you don't eat protein, you don't grow. You don't build muscle, period. period that is just that simple now carbohydrates of course like our muscles can you know we're talking about like glycogen stores really fill you out right so um if i remember correctly it's like one one gram of um carbohydrate could help you carbohydrate listen to the name hydrate can hold on the four grams of, uh, of water, right?
59:00Shawn Stevenson:So one gram of carbohydrate, four grams of water. Maybe I'm flipping it a little bit. No, you're right. That's why when people initiate like low carb diets, they'll suddenly lose a lot of weight. But most of that weight in the initial phase of the, of the diet is just, it's like water weight. Yeah. Yeah. And it's cool. Like it's cool that you can manipulate your body and do stuff like that. But we holding onto hydration is another important tenet for survival, right? Your brain is also holding on to hydration as well, right? You don't want to dry it up. You can literally lose brain volume if you don't have the compounds that help your brain and also like electrolytes, sodium, things like that.
59:36Shawn Stevenson:But carbohydrates play a role in helping you to maintain a healthy water weight. Now, of course, most people eat way too many, of course, and garbage carbohydrates, but sweet potatoes, you know, rice, you know, some, there's a ton of really viable healthy carbohydrates humans have been eating a long time so primarily if we're talking about building muscle you need carbs all right i'm just again keto like i know the guys these are some of my good friends all right there's a place for that but even with the keto paradigm there's still room for carbohydrates and so you know it just depends on your goals on how much carbohydrates you're bringing in but there's so much value that can be found in a carbohydrate rich food.
1:00:19Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. Amen. I, um, I think that especially, especially for older adults, like, like optimizing for protein, super important. I don't, I don't think there's any downside. I mean, look, when we're talking about like you're slamming protein shakes and all you're doing is eating lean protein that can get problematic. But I think if you're prioritizing protein in your diet, there's a lot more good to be gained from even slightly over-consuming protein, which in and of itself is really difficult to do because it's so satiating, than under-consuming it. Because you under-consume protein, you're going to be hungrier for carbs and fat, right?
1:00:54It's like the protein leverage hypothesis.
1:00:56Shawn Stevenson:Exactly, yeah. And we talked about this on a previous episode, but a study was conducted at St. Louis University. You know, I'm from St. Louis, so. Shout out. Shout out to everybody in the loo. But they took test subjects and they put them on a weight loss protocol, right? So there was a calorie reduction, but they had their first meal of the day was the only difference between the two study groups. One group received a carbohydrate dominant food, which was a bagel for breakfast, but the other group received eggs, which is rich in protein and fat, same amount of calories. After the conclusion of the study, and this was like an eight or 12 week study.
1:01:35Shawn Stevenson:Again, I shared the details in Eat Smarter And also we talked about this previously, but at the conclusion of the studies, I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was over 50 % more weight loss in the group who had the protein breakfast, the high protein and fat breakfast. They lost significantly more belly fat. They lost more with their BMI. Everything was better. They outperformed. Same amount of calories, but having more protein and those healthy fats that come along with those eggs did something positive for their metabolism that helped them to shed the excess they were carrying. All right.
1:02:08Shawn Stevenson:It's just how it is, you know, and that's okay. No, but if you wanna have the bagel, you can have the bagel, all right? But you probably wanna put a couple of eggs with that too, you know what I mean? Make sure that you're getting your protein. And protein just makes everything work better. I'm not advocating for a high protein diet per se, but you need to make sure you're getting the right amount of protein for you, which is, it's not always easy because it's so satiating too, right? If you're trying to build muscle, that's what makes it so difficult, right? For a lot of guys in particular, is like you got to get in a lot of protein to build muscle to especially if you're trying to do it quickly and so what is that recommended amount well according to the most proficient people in this space you mentioned dr bill campbell you know he's a friend as well it's somewhere around 0.8 grams to one gram of protein per ideal body weight per ideal pounds of body weight.
1:03:00Shawn Stevenson:So if you're 135 pounds and you want to be 120, you're going to target somewhere around 100 to 120 grams of protein in a day, right? And so this is why a lot of our longevity expert friends are changing their tune on intermittent fasting a little bit because so many people were not getting in the amount of protein. It was creating negative effects with their muscle mass, which again, this is being touted as the organ of longevity. And so being able to get enough protein, it doesn't mean you can't intermittent fast, but you gotta be more intentional, right? And so, yeah. That's like three meals a deal.
1:03:38That's like 35 grams of protein per meal. Easy peasy.
1:03:41Shawn Stevenson:Not that difficult, but just being intentional about it, right? Taking that opportunity when you're having that food to get that protein in. Yeah, amen. All right, so what is the last secret hidden way to achieve longevity? Got one left, right? Got one left, yeah. So, and I actually brought these with me to make sure that I share this clearly because it's so remarkable. Two studies. Number one, this was published in the Journal of Chronic Diseases. And they were taking into consideration a variety of confounding factors, a variety of risk factors. and they found that the lack of satisfaction in the work that we do is a significant risk factor for coronary heart disease the number one thing that's killing us coupled with that a massive meta-analysis this was published in occupational environmental medicine this was almost 500 studies that were analyzed for this all right this is this is rare and they found that job satisfaction is one of the strongest influences on our mental and physical health.
1:04:47All right,
1:04:47Shawn Stevenson:so number five here is doing meaningful work. And there's a couple of things here. And if you hate your job right now, I've got good news for you, all right? We'll get to that. But there cannot be enough said about wanting to live because you have a reason to live, having a purpose. I remember one of my mentors, Bob Proctor, sharing with me that he couldn't even fathom the idea of retiring. He loved what he did so much. He wanted to work until, and to his last day, he was so full of vitality. He was so full of vitality. And he was just one of the sharpest, smartest people I've ever met. It's just like, is incredible.
1:05:33Shawn Stevenson:And having that sense of purpose, having something to dedicate your life to, something that helps you to, quote, get up out of bed in the morning, whether that's your family, you know, like being there as a grandparent or great grandparent, because you want to see, you know, your grandkids thrive, or you want to be there at your grandkids wedding, whether that is, you know, the work that you're doing, maybe there's a philanthropic thing that you're invested in, you know, the community that you are involved in, and you're trying to uplift and support, or of course the tactical quote work that you do, right?
1:06:07And so for you, I know this
1:06:11Shawn Stevenson:because we're very similar in this, it's like the work that we do matters and we feel it. And we know that it's making an impact and we know that we have a gift in this to be able to share and kind of, it would be selfish to withhold it. And so it was like, it motivates us to share what we know, to share our wisdom and also to highlight the wisdom of other people and to uplift and help to change, create a positive change in our lifetime here in a environment that is not doing well right now, you know? And so meaningful work is critical. Now, what if you don't have that meaningful work right now?
1:06:48Shawn Stevenson:This is not just relegated to the quote job that you have. Again, this could be having meaning in your family, right? Many people that are doing jobs that they don't necessarily enjoy are doing it because they want to take care of their family. Lean into that. Love it. And bring more love to what you're doing because you love your family. It's just all going up here in your mind. It's how you are framing it. And now this is coming from a guy that did a lot of stuff. When I was in college, my first job, of course, was the obligatory McDonald's fast food. You worked in McDonald's? Yes. 15 and a half.
1:07:28Shawn Stevenson:I think it was like, I'm not kidding,$4 and something per hour, minimum wage. This was like, what, 1995 or something like that? But this was like back in the day. So funny. And so I'm back there, which was, it sucked, man. I did come up with my own burger. I was like messing around with some stuff. But then from there, I worked at Target. it. I worked at the, being from St. Louis, I worked at the Kiel Center, which is where the hockey stadium was. And so, which was one of the funnest jobs ever. But I found value. I found meaning at Target, for example. And just like, I always had this personality, which I didn't realize until later in life, until I stopped having all these jobs.
1:08:11Shawn Stevenson:My personality was to be the boss, right? So I'm like 16 working at Target, but I found a way to like move up and to have, to be able to pass out so we can get stuff done. I just wanted to get stuff done, right? So that we can get on to whatever else we wanted to do. And so, but working at the hockey stadium was dope. Wayne Gresge was on the team for a brief moment in St. Louis on the blues, which was electric. All right. But from there, I got jobs when I was in college working in casinos in St. Louis. They were like some of the quote, good jobs. And it was hard, man. We're talking about manual labor, wearing a jumpsuit.
1:08:48Shawn Stevenson:I'm locked in a room. I was in the hard count department. So we had to count every coin in the casino every day, empty all the machines, count all the money, right? So it's a lot of heavy lifting, which I enjoyed. I ended up getting, when I was 19, I became a supervisor, right? And so I got people who were like 40, 50, 60. Like there's this old guy named Marshall, for example. It's just like, I don't know. I don't know how he was showing up, but he kept showing up. Like he chain smoked on his brakes. but like in his 60s some of them were not happy about that of course like having this young kid being the boss but like there's these personality traits that I found over time and my mindset even then was I'm doing this to get a job done like I found value in accomplishing this thing every day right we couldn't leave until the job was done which was really good for my personality type And so it made me more efficient.
1:09:42Shawn Stevenson:It made me more creative, right? So I found the value in a job that in many ways kind of sucks. Like I'm breathing in coin dust all day and like locked in this room. We couldn't get out unless security comes and wands us, right? And sometimes security is just being assholes and they take a long time or whatever, you know? And it's like this whole like, it's like a prisoner guard type of energy to it, you know? But I found value and it kept persevering. so just reframing in your mind whatever job you're doing i've had the great gift of noticing people that really love doing what they're doing and they're doing the same job or hate what they're doing doing the same job right so we had an air-conditioned guy come recently this guy he was a magician a young guy he's probably in his he seemed like early 20s but i'm gonna say maybe late 20s he was so thoughtful so kind the way he communicated you know just like Like, he even, he looked me in my eyes and like, he was very present.
1:10:41Shawn Stevenson:He had to come back a few days later with a part. And even, you know, he came around, we'll say 8 a.m. And he was just like, you know, very kind of like knocking lightly. Like, hey, is everybody up? You know, I don't want to wake anybody up if they're not, you know, he's like just thoughtful. Right. I was like, man, that's amazing. And also if we've seen air conditioned folks who are just like, you know, just like drudging through the day, you know. and so it's just about the internal mechanism and finding a way to find joy and find love in the thing that you are doing and it might be something outside of the job itself that it's for so it might be about again taking care of your family um you know finding some value in that so doing meaningful work and or finding meaning in what you're doing and last piece here is this this very powerful sentiment that i live by that i teach my sons all the time how you do anything is how you do everything.
1:11:37Shawn Stevenson:How you do anything is how you do everything. If you're going to be excellent at basketball, you better be excellent at washing these dishes. All right. You don't want to eat off of dishes that have like grime and all this stuff on it. Do you want, do you want that? Do you want your mom to eat off of that? Right. Do a good job, show up and do the best job you can. And the thing that you are faced with, because it's a habit. Excellence is a habit, right purpose being strong being insightful all these things are habits right so building those muscles in everything that we do right i'm not coming here to you know to to to be less than i'm not coming here to be a subpar version of myself if i'm going to show up i'm going to be the best i could possibly be and strive for even better it's so good take pride in what you do no matter what it is.
1:12:29I think it's so valuable. I'm a control freak. I tell you, I mean, I, everything that I put out, everything that I, for as long as I can remember, I've always took immense pride in my, in my work. You know, it's not to say that I'm perfect in all areas of my work nor in life, but I think it's really important to, um, yeah, to take stock of what it is that you're doing and to, uh, put your whole self into it.
1:12:54Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. The people that are listening and watching, just to reiterate this about you, Max is one of the most hands-on people with his education. He really cares about how things are getting communicated and shared. And so for some people would see it as a detriment or it's like something that might slow you down. But you are very intentional about how you do things. you know and so it's because you care and that's like a superpower that's how i see it you know at first when you told me i was like you're doing that too like somebody else could do that part you know even for me because i'm very similar though i'm very similar i care i don't want to just do any random thing right there's an intention behind it and you want to connect and you want to help and you want to do what you can to make sure that what you're quote putting out there is making the maximum impact and you take that very seriously thank you yeah Thank you, brother, for noticing.
1:13:50Yeah, man. Well, this was so fun. This was so great. What an empowering deep dive. And for those who are just listening, I mean, you've got your notes there. You bring the science, which I think is super cool. Everything you put out too, brother. It's like so important. And I love the courage with which you imbue all your work. Yeah, it's just so great getting to call myself among your colleagues. It's awesome.
1:14:17Shawn Stevenson:Thank you, man. I received that. I appreciate that, bro. Thank you. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode today. I hope that you got a lot of value out of this. If you did, please share it out with somebody that you care about. Of course, you can share this on social media. You know what to do. Take a screenshot of the episode, tag me. I'm at Sean model and share it out on Instagram, Facebook. I'm at the model health show on Facebook and X it's X now. So if you want to share it on X as well, I'm at Sean model on on X. There's so many different social media platforms, but the most important thing is just sharing your heart, share your voice.
1:14:54Shawn Stevenson:The best way to share is by modeling what you learn. It truly is infectious. There's a lot of infectious negative things, but health, good health, wellness, and empowerment can be infectious as well. And so modeling is the most important thing. Taking what you learn today, applying it in your life, and demonstrating it by being the person that you are. We've got some amazing masterclasses and world-class guests coming your way very, very soon. So make sure to stay tuned. Take care, have an amazing day, and I'll talk with you soon. And for more after the show, make sure to head over to themodelhealthshow.com.
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Studies on healthy aging suggest that only about 25% of longevity is linked with genetic factors—the rest is based on the lifestyle choices you make on a daily basis. So if your goal is longevity, there are some science-backed things you can control to increase your chances of living a long, healthy life. On this episode of The Model Health Show, you’re going to hear my interview with Max Lugavere on The Genius Life Podcast, where I shared five specific things that are proven to extend your lifespan. You’re going to hear about how your microbiome can affect your longevity, plus some less obvious factors like your sex life and your work can affect your lifespan. We’re also going to talk about why muscle is key for survivability and how your relationships impact your health. Your overall health is the culmination of your habits, and this conversation is packed with actionable insights that are going to help you uplevel your health and increase your lifespan. So click play and enjoy the show!
In this episode you’ll discover:
How inflammation is controlled by the microbiome. (8:22)
Why it’s so important to have a diverse microbiome. (8:47)
The number one way to increase your microbial diversity. (9:38)
How having healthy social bonds reduces your risk of death. (18:57)
The relationship between oxytocin and cortisol. (25:42)
Why regularly having sex is a heart healthy behavior. (30:10)
The connection between sexual activity and neurogenesis. (31:56)
How often to have sex to reduce your risk of heart disease. (34:10)
Why muscle is the organ of longevity. (42:09)
How having adequate muscle mass helps your body process glucose. (43:01)
The anti-aging properties of muscle. (43:54)
Why muscle is critical for women and is the key to survivability. (47:52)
The connection between muscle mass and long-term memory. (49:45)
Which exercises your genes expect for functionality. (51:28)
The number one health priority for people over 40. (52:23)
How much protein to consume to build muscle. (1:02:42)
Why having meaningful work can help you live longer. (1:04:31)
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