Do This to Cut Cortisol by 43%, Relieve PTSD, & Rewire Your Nervous System - With Jessica Ortner

27:43Shawn Stevenson:And now back to the show. You know, our bodies and our brains, our nervous system is just filled to the brim with memories. And this is why it's so interesting because now science is affirming this phenomenon, as you just talked about, the memory update phenomenon, that when we remember something, we're temporarily bringing that file up and it's like unlocked to be able to do something with it should we choose to. But most of us are just kind of living and our memory might pop up and create a response. And part of that response too, whether it's pleasurable or something that is, you know the total opposite we have a physical change in our bodies like the chemistry in our bodies change based on what we're thinking about and the memories that we're carrying around and here's the crazy thing it's not even present like this is something that doesn't exist anymore but it can have that same response and i want to ask you about this because the question would be like i logically know that i'm safe like i'm okay why on earth would my body respond the way that it's responding.

28:48Shawn Stevenson:And one of the things I've learned from you is that our bodies and our brain's primary goal is to keep us safe, right? And it will go through any means necessary to do that. And what happens is something called the familiarity trap will take place. Talk about that. We love certainty. Certainty gives us a sense of safety. Now that That could be certainty that we're not enough, that bad things happen to us, that we can't speak in public. We have these beliefs and these thoughts that repeat over and over again. And the more that we repeat them and we think them, it's almost like water going down a mountain.

29:29The more it goes down, it makes the grooves deeper and deeper. And you begin to think, well, then that must be who I am. I must, because I've run this pattern for so long, maybe this is who I am. And the biggest breakthrough that I've experienced personally, and I've seen thousands others, is this moment when you realize I am not my patterns. I am actually not my behaviors. I am so much more than this. And I think the biggest thing about understanding that your nervous system wants to keep you safe is it really opens the story to self-compassion. Because what if, just entertain this for those who are listening, what if there is nothing wrong with you?

30:09What if you are not broken? And the only thing that's happening is a pattern that you've become so familiar with that it feels safe to your nervous system. What if one thing happened and it taught your nervous system, people can't be trusted, I can't speak on stage, and suddenly your nervous system, because it loves you, because you are enough, because it wants nothing more than your survival, will continue to run that pattern and that anxiety as a way of keeping you safe. And this changed the way that I addressed my own anxiety. Not only did I realize that I wasn't getting anxious as much, but anxiety still happens, right?

30:50Like we're not always going to have a bad day. I have moments where I go, oh, I'm nervous. I'm anxious about something. The biggest thing that shifted is this realization that what I need, the anxiety is not true. I don't have to believe what I think when I'm anxious. and that the anxiety's goal is not to keep me down or remind me that I'm not worthy. The anxiety's goal is just to keep me safe. And so what if when I find myself in moments when I'm triggered, I simply say to myself, all I need is my own reassurance and a sense of safety. Not that I need to be fixed, not that I'm not enough. It's simply my body's desire for safety.

31:35And once you do that, once you have that switch, then it's almost even nice to go to the tapping, to find something where I can go, how do I speak directly to my body? Because logically, you might know that it's more, it's scarier or the chances of you being in a car crash are higher than crashing in an airplane. Logically, you can go, an airplane is safer than a car. Your body does not care. If you had seen something that triggered you around flying, you will give yourself every reason why you shouldn't be scared of flying. And your body's like, I don't care. I have this memory saved. I have this panic.

32:14And I am going to keep reliving this until you can communicate with me that I am safe.

32:20Shawn Stevenson:Amazing. You've got a great story in the book at an airport. And this was with a family that had planned a trip. And they had come down to the wire and the mom couldn't get on the flight. Yes. and someone had our app. We have the Tapping Solution app, which has fear of flying tapping meditations. And this woman went up to her and goes, I know this is a little strange, but let's go to the side. Let me play this tapping meditation for you. Let's tap. And the woman was desperate because her, you know, these trips you plan for forever. And so she goes, okay. And again, she physically before couldn't go on the flight.

32:54Every part of her wanted, like she wanted to go, but she physically couldn't. And when she was able to tap, The anxiety went down and she was able to get on that flight and have that dream vacation. And I was at the farmer's market the other day and I had like a tapping solution t-shirt on and the woman selling honey was like, oh, Jessica, I have to tell you, I planned this trip to Italy. I've been wanting to go to Italy for over 10 years and I haven't been able to. And I tapped and I was able to get on that plane. And we're seeing the wonderful thing about this app is that most apps just track if you show up like, hey, you did five days in a row.

33:29we track your before and after, like from zero to 10, what's the anxiety before and what's the anxiety after. We have 18 million data points. We have 34 million tapping meditations played, but 18 million of those have those data points. And we can see that when you tap on anxiety, the release anxiety tapping meditation after a million people used it, the average decrease was 40%. So what does that mean 40 %? If you're at an eight of fear of flying and you're not getting on that plane, if you tap for nine minutes and you're on a four, maybe you have a little anxiety, but you can go, you can move.

34:09And then you can continuously do that work to lower the anxiety. But we're seeing even just dropping something by almost 40 % is life-changing because it doesn't stop you from taking the action that you want to take?

34:26Shawn Stevenson:Our brains really are just predictive machines as well, you know, to keep us safe. And again, you could try to logic yourself to death. Just like, this doesn't make sense. I just got to do this. I want to do this. But if your brain and nervous system are predicting that, even though you know that this thing is going to make you feel better. Yeah. If it is predicting like, not necessarily like this thing happened last time, I'm just going to go ahead and make sure that you stay locked in this pattern. Tapping gives you an opening to start to recalibrate, rewire that experience. And there really isn't anything like it because this is the best part about it.

35:07Shawn Stevenson:And you kind of bullet pointed all these different things and why it's so valuable. You could do this anywhere. You don't need anything or anybody. You could do this yourself. And it's built into your nervous system. You know, these, again, these acupressure points, but also there's the messaging, the communication that goes along with it, which I just did a session yesterday. And of course you guys give guided tapping meditations and also frameworks in the book for all kinds of different things, by the way. And this could be something big, something really, really big or something that you might deem to be very small that's irritating you.

35:43Shawn Stevenson:And it can be transformative. but what I found was that I knew what to say already. Like I knew what to say for myself as I was going through my tapping session. And like, it's so crazy. Cause I'm just like, this is not gonna make that big of a difference this time. It's just, that's not this, but it's just like, again, you go from like a five to like a two, right? And so I think this is a good point to actually take us through and show us how to do this. And again, this is mapped out in the book. You've got incredible videos on this, but I've got you here. So teach us. I'm so glad to be here.

36:21And for those who are listening, I'll try to explain it and get on that YouTube channel as well. This is something that once you get comfortable with using it, and I really recommend people, I'm going to give you an experience, a very small experience, right? To get familiar with the points, but go and do a tapping meditation. There's free ones on YouTube at The Tapping Solution. in the beginning, you're just learning where the points are. But what's powerful is it's always the same nine points. So when you learn this tool, you have this for the rest of your life. So when you wake up at three o 'clock in the morning, and you need some stress relief, or you've just been in a fender bender, and you're just panicking, you can go to this.

37:03So the very first point is the side of the hand and it doesn't matter what side of the body you tap on. So the points are on both sides. And then the next point is where the hair of your eyebrow begins. So it's right on the bone. Then we have the side of the eye and it's still on the bone. So not back in your temple, you're still staying on that bone. And I'm using about two fingers, two, three fingers. All you want to do is tap to stimulate these nerve endings. You have underneath the eye, which is the bone underneath your eye. You have underneath the nose between your upper lip and your nose.

37:45Underneath the mouth, which is the crease between your lip and your chin. You have the collarbone point. If you feel your collarbone, you go down an inch on either side. You can also use your whole hand to tap. Then you have underneath your arm, and it's a hand width from your armpit. For ladies, it tends to be where your bra strap lies. And then you have the very top of your head right on the crown. So these are the nine points. What we didn't cover is how this started, which I'll say very quickly that it started with a therapist, Dr. Roger Callahan, who had a woman, Mary, who had a water phobia.

38:25And he was using all traditional types of therapy, but she kept saying, I feel it in my stomach. The phobia just starts in my stomach. And he would say, he was studying acupressure and he just experimented. And he said, let's just stimulate this point, just tap while you're talking. And that's how she had a breakthrough. So tapping really started with this combination of this psychology and the acupressure. What you want to do with tapping is you want to start by giving a voice to how you're feeling, which a lot of people are resistant to because they think, no, I don't want to, you know, we just try to like talk or try to make ourselves be positive and push through.

39:06But what's happening is that the nervous system needs to be, to feel safe, you have to recognize what you're experiencing. You have to have a moment where you can just accept where you are. Because what's happening is you're triggering that thought that's creating the anxiety, you're sending a calming signal and that's what recalibrates things. You can also use tapping for something positive because again, it's only a calming signal. So if you're thinking of a positive affirmation and you send this calming signal, you can really sink into it. So you can use it for positive things. It's in the new Devil Wears Prada trailer.

39:41Emily Blunt is tapping. She goes, may the fire from the bridges I burned to light my way. Not the kind of tapping I do, but I simply say that because you can tap on what you want, but this is the challenge. People sometimes want to go to the positive and you really want to give yourself a moment to honor where you are. Because if I tell you, Sean, in the middle of a panic attack, hey, you're fine. Tell yourself, I'm good. I'm fine. I'm okay. While you tap, there's a part of you that's like, absolutely not. But if you give yourself a moment to be seen, to recognize, to tap, that's when the shift happens.

40:21So with that, we're going to have an experience. We're just going to do two rounds. Okay. So for those that are listening and watching, I want you to repeat this in your mind. So I'll say something, repeat it in your own mind and focus on your own experience. So we're going to start on the side of the hand and tap here. I want you to say to yourself. Actually, let's do this as we tap. Notice how your body feels right now. Notice if you're feeling any stress or tension. And give your stress a number from zero to 10. So 10 is like you're really stressed out. Zero, you're feeling calm. This number is only for you.

40:58Notice how you feel. Notice where you're carrying the stress in your body. And now tapping on the side of your hand. Repeat after me in your mind. Even though I'm holding on to this stress,

41:16I acknowledge how I feel.

41:22And I give my body permission to relax. This is called the setup statement. We're going to now tap on the eyebrow point, and we're going to give a voice to this feeling. So repeating after me, or if you want, just simply listen. All of this stress.

41:45Side of the eye. All this pressure I feel.

41:55Under the eye. All these responsibilities.

42:04Under the nose, all of this uncertainty.

42:14Under the mouth, I recognize this stress.

42:23Collarbone, I acknowledge how hard it's been.

42:32under the arm and how hard I've been on myself.

42:42Top of the head, all of this stress.

42:51Going back to the eyebrow point, I acknowledge how I feel.

43:01Side of the eye, and I'm here to let my body know.

43:11Under the eye, that even though I don't have all the answers,

43:23under the nose it's safe to begin to relax

43:33under the mouth even with everything going on

43:44collarbone it is safe to begin to let go

43:52under the arm even with this stress I am safe.

44:04Top of the head, it's safe to relax and to find more ease.

44:19now take a nice deep breath in and exhale

44:29you can just check in with your body maybe you want to move your shoulders around that was a very quick experience just two rounds and what tends to happen is one of two things either you notice yourself feeling more calm, or sometimes as we begin to do the tapping and our voice quiets, what happens is what happened to me when I was tapping on feeling sick. And all of a sudden I realized, actually, I don't want to get better because I'm drowning in guilt if I'm not pushing myself. And then the tapping would shift to focusing on that emotion. So it really helps you because you're sending this calming signal, you're also in a space where you can reflect in such a loving and calm way where you begin to have those aha moments to figure out, well, what do I really need?

45:23How do I really want to navigate this? So again, that was just two rounds. And the more that you do the tapping, the more that you'll feel more comfortable doing it in those moments when maybe you don't have the book in your hand or you don't have your phone to use the app. But usually our experiences are maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Yeah.

45:42Shawn Stevenson:Thank you, Jess. Like, it's so awesome. I mean, just again, I love the setup of just first checking in with yourself. Where are you? Give yourself a number. Because again, the proof is in the pudding and you can see the change. Maybe again, whatever you're dealing with is at a seven or a six, and then it goes to a three. This is like proof positive that you can actually tap in and help to resolve some of this, whatever it is that you're dealing with. And specifically, I want to ask you about this. Obviously, when we think about the nervous system, we tend to think about mental and emotional related things, but this is also a very powerful application when it comes to physical pain as well.

46:24Yeah.

46:25Shawn Stevenson:Can you talk about that relationship and why you guys specifically address this in the book too? It was one of those things that we had to address because the feedback we get is absolutely overwhelming. And I think the reason that tapping has spread so much is that it's very subjective to say your anxiety went down, but pain is more real in the sense of you're in pain or you're out of pain. And it is clear and it is life-changing. And we see again and again that when people begin to tap, they say that their migraines stopped coming back. Their back pain went away. There was this gentleman, Gary, that we interviewed for the book.

47:04And he also, he's an older gentleman, and his wife heard about us. And he had just tried everything. He got to the point where they were burning the nerve endings. It's a procedure where you burn the nerve endings to help to stop the pain receptors. So he was really desperate. And he started using the tapping. And he said that very first time where he really gave himself this full tapping experience, his pain went down almost by half. And then he kept doing it every day. And his pain went down to zero to the point that to this day, he still taps consistently. He shared this with one of his Navy brothers.

47:39This is a Navy guy. So this Navy brother has a bullet wound. I mean, I can't make this up. This is wild. He was shot in the back in a hunting accident and has lived with this pain. And the biggest challenge was sleeping because it was keeping him up at night. And he found that the tapping lowered the pain levels enough that he was able to fall asleep. So in this case, he's still struggling. He still has some pain, but he can sleep every night. I mean, it's incredible. So we see people who are having these huge miraculous moments. And then there's people who are like, hey, every time I have a flare up of a symptom, I go to the tapping and it decreases my symptoms.

48:25And I think that always goes back to the cortisol and the stress. I think we're really underestimating how stress and how emotions impact our body.

48:34Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. Yeah. And this is one of the biggest, if we're talking about all the different types of epidemics that we're experiencing today, which there's so many, but the pain epidemic and seeing the monetization of that by, you know, pharmaceutical industry and, you know, and we all know the stories by now with the opioid epidemic, just again, to really understand that there is a solution here that we already have access to, because that experience of pain, again, is our body ironically trying to protect us. Yes. And what happens is even if you can get a resolution with your pain, there's still a fear there.

49:15Shawn Stevenson:Right. And this can start to debilitate you in your life. If I do this thing, I'm going to experience pain. And sure enough, you do the thing, you experience the pain, even though you might even be well. And so the applications here to, again, to be able to not just address the acute symptom, but to dig deeper. Right. We get the electrician to come in and say, this is why we're experiencing this, but here's how we actually rewire it. This episode is brought to you by the incredible team at Organifi and their phenomenal superfood blends. Not only does their best-selling green juice blend have the most powerful green superfoods, it also has a therapeutic amount of ashwagandha.

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51:26Shawn Stevenson:again 20 off at organifi.com forward slash model and now back to the show something that you also note which is tapping positively influences gene expression and this has been noted as well you guys again just compiling all of this incredible data this is a very powerful epigenetic controller And so this isn't just, again, this kind of superficial change we see on the surface. This is changing us at the level of our genes. Yes, it is. I mean, this study is incredible. We all have, we have genes, but we have ones that turn on and turn off. And so what they found is after people did tapping, they looked at those gene markers and the genes associated with inflammation were down, immunity were up.

52:17and it was a very small study, but it's showing us what's possible. And that's why I really feel like we are just at the beginning of this research. And I've noticed such a change, Sean, like we've known each other for so many years. And back in the day when I first started, it was a, I didn't even understand why it worked. We made a documentary film about this because we wanted to show the before and after. But even in that film that came out 18 years ago, we didn't really have an idea of why it was working. We knew about the meridian system, but so much has evolved since then. And the research has piled up that I see that a lot of places that have been closed off in the past are now taking a serious look at this.

53:01And I am predicting right now in two years from now, where this really is going to explode. And I believe, especially for therapists, that it's as more research comes out, it's their responsibility to bring this in. And it doesn't mean you have to just, this is all you do, but this is such a powerful tool to incorporate it with all the other things that you're already doing. And to look at it in like the grand scheme of how we use it in our life, therapy is so incredible. We do it once a week. If that, meditation, so powerful, many studies, helps with resiliency. It's hard to meditate when you're having a panic attack.

53:42So this is the one tool that you can do when you really feel like the anxiety has hijacked you and you can't think your way out of it. It is like the emergency tool that everybody needs to have in their pocket.

53:55Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. This is one of those things where so often, so many of these stories is I tried everything. Yeah. Right. And then I finally found this. And I want to ask you about what happens in the brain when we tap, because you also have some really fascinating data around and actually doing brain imaging around obesity and cravings. Talk about that. This study was wild. This was done at Bond University in Australia. It was a study with women who were clinically considered obese. They've struggled with cravings. A craving is a physical experience. When you have a tough craving and so many people who are trying to lose weight and they'll say, I just, I know I shouldn't, but I can't help it.

54:40It's a physical reaction to reach towards that food. And they did this research study with this group of women and they put them in an fMRI machine and they started to show them those high calorie foods that they craved. When you see a photo, the craving begins to turn on. It's how commercials work. You see the Big Mac falling from the sky, and it's designed to help you have a craving. The cheese pool of the pizza. Exactly. And so they were showing those images. And as they showed those images, you see, and we're going to bring this up, you see parts of their brain activating. eating. So not only are they saying they have a physical craving, but you see it like fireworks in their brain and they're saying their craving is strong.

55:29Then they took this group and I think it was about four weeks of tapping and they also had a control group. And after four weeks of tapping, not only did the women say, I feel like I have more control. That was the biggest thing that they were saying. I have more control. They said that their craving was down. But the fascinating thing is that they put them back in the fMRI machines and they showed them these images and their brain's reactions were completely different. They were not lighting up the way that they did before. This is so significant because it shows that tapping is changing the way that your brain reacts to a stimuli.

56:05So yes, this was with cravings, but I think what it really implies is so much bigger that when you tap on a trigger on something that's struggling, your brain changes the way that it reacts.

56:20Shawn Stevenson:This, again, it seems too good to be true. And having all of this data now is just affirming, yes, it is true again and again and again. And the question is that I have for you is like, why has this kind of been hidden from us? Like we have access to be able to change our body's response to the things that, you know, cause us harm, that debilitate us, that cause us these, you know, stressors that start to run and control our lives. And all along, we've had the solution just like built into us. All we had to do was tap into it. Yeah, I think the reason is because there's not big money behind it.

57:05I think when you have big pharmaceuticals and big money, the research gets pushed. There's different agendas. Tapping has spread almost like this stubborn, like it won't go away for those who don't like it. It's like it's spreading because there are people who won't stop talking about it, who share it with their sister-in-law and their friend. Therapists who've been frustrated because they see their clients having these physical reactions now find that they can incorporate this. And now every client is using it. So it's spreading very organically. And I think that we are getting to this critical mass that we can't be ignored.

57:46And I see it, Sean. I see it in the past year. I have people reaching out that I would have never dreamed from universities who want to look at this, who want to look at our app. I think something to note is that in a lot of these studies, they worked with a practitioner. So you work with someone who's leading you through it. And what's been amazing is that my brothers and I, we noticed that, well, people were getting results on their own too. People were learning how to tap. And in those moments at three o 'clock when they're triggered and they can't fall asleep, They're using it and they're getting a result.

58:19So we started creating these tapping meditations where you can just press play and be led to think about what you're experiencing, to begin to let it go, to send that safety signal. And when I talked about that zero to 10 scale, it really started because in tapping, you tend to do that when you're in front of a practitioner, just to see that you're moving in the right direction. We didn't realize that what that would also give us was these data points to be able to knock on the door of a university and say, hey, we have a million people who use this and look at this, look at these numbers. And so that's, that's changed everything.

58:56And my hope, this book, I wrote this book, my brothers and I, we were like, if there was one book that people had to buy, we've written a few books, but if there's one book that you want to read to get comfortable and truly understand it, this is the one. and even if you don't buy this book, I hope that you just come back to the podcast and learn the points, because sometimes you realize you need it like me when it's that moment when you don't want someone to hear you crying and you just need some relief, and you don't need to spend money to use this. It's something that you have forever, and it's wonderful as a parent too.

59:34Kids really gravitate towards this, and so, yeah, I just like, I'm really passionate about just everyone knowing this because it's so easy. It's so accessible. And it is spreading more and more because people are talking about it because they're sharing their results.

59:50Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. You know, the thing is, this has been around forever. You know, like this access to certain, you know, meridians in the body, nerve bundles, as we more, you know, accurately say today. but just these certain points on the body that are closely related. Like the Vegas nerve is having a moment right now in our culture, where it's this gut brain connection in this information superhighway, where a lot of the data is kind of our gut informing our brain on, you know, what to do in the temperament. And so our bodies are incredible. And there is this incredible electrical system as we kind of broke down.

1:00:30Shawn Stevenson:And we have an inroads into that now. And so what can people expect in the new book? The new book is rewired, available everywhere the books are sold. What can people expect with the book? It's called rewired because with every chapter, you're able to start to look at certain patterns you might be running. And sometimes those patterns are a subconscious. If you're dealing with procrastination and you don't know why, there usually is a belief or a fear. The reason that you keep making excuses that you're not ready or you need to do more research or you need to study more, that's often a fear response.

1:01:05And so as you go through every chapter of the book, you can begin to reflect on your own life and see yourself and begin to recognize what are the thought patterns? What are the patterns I'm in? And realize that we're not broken. We're simply running patterns. And that's the biggest thing that I want people to take away is knowing that you don't have to believe everything you think. I'm going to say that again. You do not have to believe everything you think. So if you've been telling yourself you're not good enough, you're not capable, you're too old, you're too young, you don't need to believe those beliefs.

1:01:39And when you tap using the body and you feel calm, your whole world opens up.

1:01:45Shawn Stevenson:Phenomenal. The one and only Tony Robbins wrote the forward for this book, by the way. And, you know, you've got applications for when your mind won't shut up, you know, you're trying to sleep at night and you've got all, you know, the quote monkey mind going on, for addressing various fears, for, again, issues related to pain, you explicitly address that. Energy, you know, when you're so tired. Many other applications, when other people drive you crazy, Like, you know, obviously we live in LA, so, you know, the traffic could be a thing, you know, panic, you know, and just so many different applications.

1:02:25Shawn Stevenson:What about when we're being hyper self-critical, you know? So it's just helping so many different things explicitly in the book, you're addressing these topics. And I encourage everybody to pick up a copy of this today. It's just a great read period, you know, incredible stories as well. I breezed through it so fast, like before I knew it. And I appreciate you so much. You know, what we didn't share was like, again, I've known you for a while and we met at this mastermind, Jim Quick, who's been actually the most frequent guest here on the Model Hell Show. And he's a big reason for the initiation of this show being in existence.

1:03:03Shawn Stevenson:Like he's been there throughout, you know, this journey, but he got some friends together as a multi-day thing. We were all hanging out. But day one, we're hanging out. It's all these different people. And just they got successful and all this different stuff. But I felt like you were like the only, not, let me not say the only, but the most normal person. And we just linked up. Yeah, we did. We just linked up. We were like arm in arm. And we're like hanging out with all these people and going through these experiences together. And so I knew that you were an amazing person then. and, you know, this is a testament to who you are, but also the work you've done on yourself to make me feel safe, you know?

1:03:42Shawn Stevenson:And I'm a pretty safe feeling guy, you know? But just like there's this immediate attachment. And so I think you're so special. And, you know, I just appreciate the work that you're doing and your brothers and just providing access to this incredible tool. Oh, thank you, Sean. And I wanna share one quick story, which is, I did tell you this, but I'm going to, this, I need this on the record that I'm staying with my best friend in California. And we went on a walk this morning on the beach and I was telling her how excited I was to be able to be here. And we were both talking about what fans we were.

1:04:16And she said to me that she bought your book, Sleep Smarter for all of her, she, she runs a company and she got it for her employees. And she said she has been buying books for her employees for years now. And when she looks back, the book that made the biggest difference in their lives, in their happiness, in their performance, in the way that they treated each other, was reading your book, Sleep Smarter.

1:04:39Shawn Stevenson:How powerful is that? So powerful. How powerful is that? And as I shared too, like going back, it was that mastermind all those years ago, over a decade ago, where I met my literary agent. You know, it's just, it's crazy for Sleep Smarter. Like, you know, we're so connected and I appreciate you so much. Rewired, everywhere books are sold. Is there anywhere else you want people to connect with you? You can follow us at The Tapping Solution on Instagram and Facebook. We have a great YouTube channel, but reach out, tap, try it, share it with friends. And thank you for letting me share it here. Of course, we're tapped in, baby.

1:05:17Shawn Stevenson:Yeah. The one and only Jessica Ordner, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode today. I hope that you got a lot of value out of this. This is such a valuable tool for us to have in our superhero utility belt. And I highly encourage you to get a little bit more expertise, get a little bit more verse in utilizing this powerful technique by following Jessica's work, checking out the new book, Rewired. Of course, there's a ton of incredible videos online as well. She put some resources for you in the show notes as well. But there are so many incredible tools like to find a technique that can be so remarkably effective in clinical trials for things like PTSD.

1:06:09Shawn Stevenson:We're talking about upwards of 90 % effectiveness in the particular study that we covered earlier. Again, this is a major prestigious peer-reviewed journal. This cannot be overlooked any longer. And with whatever you might be dealing with, you never know how effective this might be in support of that until you try it. So again, I appreciate you so much. If you enjoy this, please share this out with somebody that you care about. You can send this directly from the podcast app that you're listening on. Of course, you could take a screenshot of the episode and share it on social media. Tag me. I'm at Sean Model.

1:06:46Shawn Stevenson:And of course, tag Jessica Ordner as well. I know that you would be blown away to see that love. Well, we've got some incredible, incredible masterclasses and world-leading experts coming your way, including, listen up, you thought we were done. Episode 1000 of the Model Health Show is coming up here soon. We've got something very special in store for you. Make sure to follow me on social media. I'm at SeanModel on Instagram because we're gonna be live streaming that whole day. I'm going to show you what's actually going down in the Model Health Show Studios. We got some special guests coming through, so you're not going to want to miss that.

1:07:29Shawn Stevenson:So again, follow me on Instagram at SeanModel to stay up to date. And again, just be ready. We got so much more in store. Take care, have an amazing day, and I'll talk with you soon.