How a Stronger Body Can Give You a Stronger Mind - With Jen Cohen

27:44And then like, let three weeks, a month pass. And then like, it's gone. You know, like, that's why when there's something, when something is good, or you like something or whatever it is, it is so important. I hate to say it again. I'm like a broken record to keep the momentum up by following through, by doing the next step, by continuing, because everything in life is momentum. It could be a relationship. It could be your fitness. Like we tend to like count ourselves out before we even give it a shot long enough. That's just human nature too. Right? So if we can just figure out a way or people can figure it away to realize that if it's just that, that in itself will, will, will take you so much further than skill, right?

28:28Just momentum, right? It's not talent. It's not skill. It's literally just consistency, which is the same thing as momentum, being consistent, doing the same thing, doing the thing over and over again. Consistency gets you to the finish line way more than talent, way more than skill, way more than anything else. And so if we can just drill that into somebody with anything, I mean, the most successful people on the planet, and I've interviewed a thousand of them, right? When you really kind of break it down and peel away all the layers, what did they do so differently than anybody else? Well, they believed in themselves just a little bit more than the person beside them and they kept going.

29:09And if they failed, okay, they brushed it off and just got right back up. They like mastered the art of consistency and momentum.

29:19Shawn Stevenson:How do you know how to do this though? You know, like you knew how to do this very young, somehow, some way, you know, I watched one of your other Ted talks and it's that story about Keanu Reeves. Tell the story. Oh, good. Okay. Well, that's like a long, how much time do I have? I mean, that's a long story. People want to know the T, this has to do with Keanu. Yeah, that was like - National treasure. Well, first to answer your question, I'm going to tell you the story. And I think anything in life requires practice. if you want to get good at it. You can, you don't need to just practice baseball to get good at baseball.

29:54You don't need just to practice karate to get good at karate. You can practice the art of consistency. You can practice the art of anything, and it will get you from a two out of 10 to at least a seven out of 10, just by practice. So to answer your question or to kind of tell you the story, when I was really young, I must've been, um, like 17 years old, six, 17, 16, 17. I was like obsessed with music. Right. And not to date myself, but you'll know there was I'm from Canada. And so we had a version of MTV called Much Music back in Canada, which is MTV. But for for Canadians, much music, much music.

30:33And they were having this like country worldwide, not worldwide, but like search for their next BJ video disc jockey, like kind of like a Carson Daly at the time. You know, for those of you who listen and know what I'm talking about. and I was I just thought I love I wanted I want that job right like they were doing like a like I said like a huge search and I'm like well how am I going to get this opportunity like why I mean I want these people like the people who are looking like you need to the whole idea was you needed to send in a demo tape of how and why they should pick you to be the new vj right and of course I was a kid I had no experience I'm like a nothing and a nobody like just finishing high school, whatever.

31:17And I just got it in my brain. Like, why not me? Like, it's, you know, that's really, I live by that motto. Like, why not me? Like, if it's going to happen to someone, why can't it be me? And like, it's that audacity and delusion that really gets people far. That's really what it is too, which we can get to later on. And this story will kind of be a precursor to this whole thing. And I thought, okay, like, what am I going to do? Like, what am I going to put on this demo tape. And it was right. Keanu Reeves was coming to my small town, Winnipeg, because he was like the biggest star of the time.

31:52Like he was massive. He just finished Speed. Do you remember? And he really wanted to do like a Shakespearean play, but didn't want to go and do it at some like big place in London or New York. So he came to Winnipeg to do this play. And I'm like, this is my perfect shot. Keanu Reeves is going to be in the, in, in my, in my city. I'm just going to get him to be on my demo table. Why not? Like it didn't even occur to me that that was crazy. It didn't, delusions of grandeur, I'm telling you. And I told my friends and I told my mom and my dad, I'm like, mom, I'm, I'm, I have to get to Keanu. Keanu's performing at the Manitoba theater center i need to go and meet him and it was like by the way winnipeg if people don't know it's minus 40 in the winter it's very it's colder than the north pole did you know that winnipeg is the coldest place on the planet literally with like a windshield that's crazy it could be like

32:49Shawn Stevenson:minus 70 i'm not joking it's like unbelievable beyond you have to plug in your car to for it to to start uh if you if you if any if any bare skin is out for too long you get frostbites it's horrible. So in the dead of winter, I asked all my friends to come with me and wait for, for Keanu outside. And by the way, at this time, there was no social media. So like, it was all like entertainment, like all the news outlets, you know, we're all waiting for him too. I like, but basically I bribed some girl that I was friends with at the time to come with me outside and like, wait for him. Well, after four and a half minutes, it was so cold.

33:29She bailed on me. And I was like by myself. And I'm like, okay, well, uh, I'll just wait by myself. And I was like literally frostbitten. And finally, after 45 minutes, almost at, I think maybe even closer to an hour, Keanu comes out of this, the back door of this building. And there's like tons of press that like, you know, basically just run to him and all the girls are running. Everyone's running to him. You know, do you like, just remember that time, time, you know what I mean? very different than now. And so I'm like, Oh my God, there he is. So I'm one of the people who are running over there.

34:01And I like kind of weasel my way into the crowd, like, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, you know, like everyone's just pushing and pushing. And I finally get to him and I like kind of tug on his jacket. And I'm like, excuse me, can you excuse me? And he's like, kind of like distracted. And then I kind of like trying to like talk like Stein autographs. And then he like kind kind of looks at me and like kind of does this kind of like, like kind of like stop pulling on my jacket. Exactly. And I'm like, he's like, I'll be with you in a second. I'll get I'll sign an autograph in a second. And I'm like, autograph?

34:33No, no, no. What would I do with an autograph? I don't need your autograph. I have a very specific ask for you. I really want to be a VJ for much music. And I you're gonna you're my ticket. Like I need you to be on my audition tape. So I can, I want to, like, I want to interview you for a bit. And he was so confused. He's like, what? Huh? And I repeated myself and he looked at me again and, and then I had to repeat myself for the third time. And he would, he's such a nice person. He didn't want to be so rude. He's like, just, you know, can you just write down your phone number and I'll just call you because I don't even know what you're talking about.

35:10And I didn't have a pen. And I was like, phone number. I'm like, are you really going to call me? because, you know, I don't want to like give you my number and then I'm going to be sitting by the phone and then like, you're not going to call. He's like, I'll call you. And I was like, quick, quick, anyone have a pen? And some girl had like an eyeliner. And so she said here, and I had like a gum wrapper in my bag or like my, my pants, whatever. And I wrote my phone number on this like gum wrapper and I handed it to him. And I'm like, you said, you're going to call me. Remember, I'm like the 17 year old girl who's going to be waiting by the phone.

35:42So don't forget. and he's like don't worry I'll call you and I went back to school or whatever the next day and I told my friends and my family and they're like oh my god I cannot believe you did that like how embarrassing like aren't you like embarrassed I'm like no like I didn't even like feel embarrassed I was just like why wouldn't he call me like and also like what's the worst that can happen right like that's not like that's the other thing another motto I always live by like what's the worst that can happen And I'm no better off today than I or worse off than I was then. And so day one goes by day two goes by no call.

36:16Day three goes by no call. Everyone now is making fun of me. Really? Like, like everyone's like, oh, the Keanu call you, like, you know, like laughing at me. And I'm like, no. And I started to feel really kind of stupid and dumb. And then on the fourth day, I went home and my mom was like, you know, Jennifer, did you check your answering machine? I'm like, because at the time I had an answering machine. I'm like, no, why would I? And she's like, well, you should check it. I think that's, I don't know, you should check it. And I press play or whatever. And there's like this message on my answering machine.

36:50It's like, hi, hello, hello. And like, you know, when you, in an answering machine, when if you answer it on the last ring, someone answers the phone. Do you remember that? So I hear on the message, my mother being like, hello. and then I hear another guy saying hello and they're like going back and forth this hello hello and then my mother is like who is this and this I hear um this is Keanne Reeves calling for Jennifer is she available and my mom was like oh who who's this and he says his name again and my mom's like thought it was like a joke and she's like don't be ridiculous and like hangs up the phone and then like another message and it happened kind of the same twice it happened and then the third message I was like oh I was like freaking out listening as I said screaming and the third message was like hi um this is Keanu Reeves calling for Jennifer I met you at blah blah blah you were asking me a question I didn't know what you were talking about but if you get this, call me at this phone number.

38:01Of course, I call the phone number. And I mean, cut to I go pick up Keanu Reeves three days later with my mother's Cutlass Supreme in the middle of winter at his hotel, bring him back to my house where my mom made him lunch. And I did a three hour interview with him. And I set up all the cameras, very amateur style, not like this, of course. And I did an interview with him and then I edited it myself into like a 10 minute audition, sent it into MuchMusic, cut to, do you think I got the job? Got the job? Yeah.

38:44Shawn Stevenson:I mean, I think you had some huge like leverage in getting it. I got the interview, I got the call and I became runner up for that job. Dang, yeah. And I missed out by like, you know, to one other girl. But I would never even had that opportunity. Of course, like they would never, they were like, they watched the tape and they're like, how in the heck did this girl get Keanu? And that was how I got the interview because I showed audacity and I showed grit and I did the editing myself. So like taking that extra step and like living in delusion only proved to me that being bold and really chasing what you want and not just taking what you get is the recipe for actually living the life that you want.

39:33And so that was a very pivotal moment. And that's what it taught me. And I've lived my life like that ever since. And I try to instill that and teach these things to other people so they can do the same and not be stuck.

39:48Shawn Stevenson:Well, for those who are watching the video version, Spotify, YouTube, you could see a bit of that, that moment. Because when I watched the TED Talk and I saw that moment, because it's one thing to tell the story. It's another thing to show little you sitting there with Keanu Reeves. It was crazy, crazy. So, but the question is, where did you get that audacity? Like, again, people are making fun of you. You know, just even audacity be like, oh, this is like, why not? You know, where did this come from? I really, I honestly, I'm going to tell you, I think that being mediocre is a huge strength in life.

40:25So I grew up not really feeling so great. Like I, I wasn't spectacular in any way. It wasn't the best student. I wasn't the best athlete. I wasn't the best looking kid. I was like in the middle, which is where most people are, right? Like I'm like, fine. So I had to like really work for anything I really wanted to be really good at. And that taught me like resourcefulness and like working for things and putting effort in. And that was kind of trained in me at a very young age. Like I wasn't a good student. So if I wanted to even like do okay, I had to like work for it. Like I wasn't, like I said, the greatest looking.

41:03So everything I had, I learned really quickly that I didn't want, like, what can I do to optimize what God gave me as opposed to, and that was like how I live my life. Okay. If I want to be much more attractive, how can I optimize? How can I, what can I do naturally to like be the best version of what I have? Right. So like, for example, I was born normal. So like, I'm not, I was not naturally skinny. I wasn't fat. I wasn't skinny. I was like normal again, everything normal. So what can I do? so exercise. I'm like, okay, I want to get strong. Not everyone can be skinny, but everyone can be strong.

41:44Everyone can be fit. So I was very, I always was like, like kind of like processing the world or like viewing the world in that, in that lens of taking what you have and making the best, making you the best version of what you have. And so if I was given everything in life, And if I was like super hot, always at 12 and 13, 14, 18, whatever it was, and I was, I was the best student, then like it, it wouldn't make it wouldn't make me feel like I had to work that hard. Like I would get lazy in a way, right? Like I would, I would like rest on my laurels. I never had laurels to rest on. So I had to work for them.

42:24And that work created character and grit. And like, to me, that is like why I think that when people count themselves out, it's a big mistake because it is the mediocre that usually rise to the top if they just reframe how they live their lives and go after things. That's so powerful.

42:48Shawn Stevenson:That's so good. You mentioned also the power of delusion in a way. I was delusional. Still am actually. But I got to talk about that because, you know, that's again, it has a negative connotation. Yeah. Let's talk about the power of being delusional. I'm OK with it being having a negative. I think a lot of things can have a negative connotation or a positive connotation, depending on how what your perspective is. Right. But I think that I think I think audacity and delusion get you really far. and where did my delusional, I think that me being delusional was the best asset I was given, right? Like thinking that at a young age, if I can just like maximize this thing and that thing, well, why can't it happen?

43:39Like I, again, it was, it was the, um, becoming very immune to the feeling of failure that made me feel that that became that made me feel more audacious and more delusional. Like, I think the problem is people are so afraid of failing. And this sounds like a broken record because you hear it so often now. Right. But the truth is, it's so true. People rather not try than fail. Like, you know, and the reality is, I don't care how many times I fail. I think that I create this whole thing, you know, I don't know how much you know about me or whatever, but I call this thing this 10 % target, which is making 10 attempts at whatever you want most in life.

44:24Because the truth is, do you know that most people, 95 % of people don't even make one attempt at what they want. And almost 99 % don't even make, don't make two attempts. So if you're somebody who makes three attempts, four attempts, heck, even 10 attempts, your chances of success and succeeding are just multiplied by just by it's a force multiplier. It will the chances of you succeeding are so good in your favor. So I just kind of became immune to it. And how do you do that? You're going to ask. Right. Because you practice the failing over and over and over again. You practice by asking for what you want, by going after what you want.

45:22I don't believe that there's a whole thing right now. Things have ebbs and blows in the ether. Sometimes it's about the hustle culture. Now the hustle culture is not good. it. It's about like, it's about manifestation and sitting back and letting things come to you. That's not how I, I don't operate like that. I don't believe, I believe you can manifest by having a good vision of what you want, but you have to like follow it with a chase and movement and action. So I, I tell people all the time that they need to figure out what they want and then make 10 attempts at what that is. And, you know, the truth is either one of two things happen, either you're going to get that thing, or another opportunity will present itself that you never even knew existed by just going through that process.

46:14And with that also comes the immune to feeling failure, right? Because the more you feel it, the less it bothers you.

46:23Shawn Stevenson:Yeah, I can see how that's so valuable in so many areas of life. I love that. That's so great. Now I want to circle back a little bit to the fitness because this very powerful principle of keeping the promises that you make to yourself, for you, you're about that life. You're very fit. It's apparent when people see you, how did you get there? What are some of those things? And again, it's going to be different from person to person, but I would imagine for most people, there are some micro things that you could start making certain promises to yourself and starting to to kind of reinforce that positive momentum so what are some of those simple things for people to be mindful of are you asking me more about what i do personally habit wise because there's two parts to here let's go for the general pop first okay and be as boring as possible if you want to seek results be as boring as possible like people don't like people don't want to realize that there's no magic pill or potion doing the same things day in day out get heed the best results boring boring boring boring boring boring i think creating structure and routine daily super important so it's like the rinse and repeat formula right i'm going to do this monday at between this time and this time tuesday one day Like, I think veering away from what your habits are that keep you in check is very dangerous.

47:57And I think that discipline hurts way, way less than dissatisfaction. And I'd rather be disciplined and be satisfied than be satisfied for a moment but have zero... It's fleeting.

48:17Shawn Stevenson:That's so good. So good. Now for you personally, so what is your, what does your fitness look like? So my, I'm, I, so there's a couple of things. I'm not a fancy person and I think fancy doesn't work. So I'm not going to say, I don't, I'm not going to say I do not, I don't do a 97 peptides in my morning routines, 47 hours. I think that's super unrealistic and hard to maintain long-term, especially if you've got kids and you've got a family. So what I, I kind of keep it simple, stupid, and I've been doing the same things for a hundred years. Um, I think number one, I wake up every morning and this is also because I'm, I'm, I'm doing the same things that keeps me in check.

48:59Sometimes it's not even about like, I don't even know anymore what's doing what, but these things combined keep me in check. So I wake up in the morning, I drink a massive 32 ounce thing of water room temperature with lemon. I squeeze like a lemon in there. I travel with lemons if I have to, because it's just part of my, my routine, right? Easy. I take the same supplements, nothing fancy. I take aminos, as you know, the key on aminos, which I think are great for maintaining, especially now that I'm like old, maintaining my lean muscle mass, building my muscle mass, keeping my energy stabilized, body composition.

49:41It's great for body composition. I take vitamin D, very basic. I take magnesium at night. I take true niagen NAD. Like I take that. What else do I take? Supplements. Very basic. Omega threes. I take those as well. That's it. I don't take, I'm not like, I'm not taking 97 things. I go exercise after I exercise, I start my day. So I need to sweat.

50:08Shawn Stevenson:What do you exercise? I need to do, and you can, we can fight about this, but I'm going to tell you this. I'm a big, when I say a big, I believe in cardio, but I do cardio for my brain, not my body. So to me, my first priority is getting my brain right, right. Getting myself psychologically, like right, kind of like in check and weights will only get me there if I sweat beforehand. So like, I know this is a lot of this is trial and error. So for me, I have to do some cardio to kind of like, activate something in my brain. So that would be either I do like an incline walk with a weighted vest, and then I jog or I do the assault bike for sprints.

50:54Or I will do some type of like movement my bike where I'm moving my body that way. Then I'll do strength training. I do both, like usually five, six times a week. I work and I try to walk. This is one of the big things I do, to be honest. I do, if anything is two miles or under, I walk there. It's a non-negotiable for me. I don't care if it's a meeting. I don't care if it's to pick up groceries. I don't care if it's going to the bank. I will not get into a car if it's two miles or under. It's just, I don't care. It's non-negotiable. That's just one of these things. That's how I get my steps in.

51:37That's why I get fresh air. So I will walk. If I'm going to the gym, I'm going to walk to the gym. If I'm going to a lunch meeting, I will show up. I will wear my little sneakers. If it has to be a little bit more formal, I'll take shoes with me in a bag. But who am I kidding? I don't really care that much. I'll show up a little sweaty. I rather I will not sacrifice these non-negotiables for aesthetics in terms of like wearing a nice like a nice, you know, shirt or like having perfect hair. Like to me, those aren't as important. So my priorities are, again, like creating these like these non-negotiables and disciplines that I know will get me the best results long term.

52:22And so, and I don't ever, ever, or I try not to veer from them. So that walking one, I think is a really important one. And also, sometimes I walk with a weighted vest. Sometimes, you know what I prefer sometimes is walking with these little weights that you see all the time. I find sometimes the like it's a more you get more bang for your buck sometimes if you walk with these little weights so you work your arms as well um but that's just the side thing uh so that's a that's another habit and at night I'll take my magnesium and or I'll do a sauna but not always so it's very basic exercise to me is the core the core habit the most fundamentally a most important habit to do every single day.

53:12I'm not saying you gotta like, you know, kill yourself with intensity, but that to me rewires and is the most important thing for your brain, for your body, for your confidence, for your success. I will never, ever not do something unless I'm traveling and I don't have a chance, but then I'll just go back to it the next day. Wow.

53:34Shawn Stevenson:This is, there's so many things people can like sample from there. that two mile rule is incredible. Like I've never heard that before. Really? It's a good one. You should try it. That's a great one. Maybe you want to do a mile. Yeah. I do a mile. Don't, don't negotiate with yourself. That's my point. So I, I don't, I'm also being realistic for myself where I would start. Oh, that's true. And that's what, yeah. So for me, for anybody, it's all about where, where they are right now, right? Start with where you are. Some people to half a mile, right? A quarter of a mile, just make, make a commitment to yourself and then stick to it.

54:09But, you know, I think that the, I think walking to me is the best exercise on the planet. I know that there's like a lot of like controversy around some of that sometimes. I think it's the, it's the best thing to do. It just gets everything moving. Like, I feel like it gets your circulation. It's good for your brain. It's like, I get my best ideas and I've had my best, uh, thoughts, business strategies. Everything has happened when I was like in motion, in motion. I used to do my podcast, you know, on treadmills. Did you know that?

54:43Shawn Stevenson:I did not know that. Yeah. You missed that. You missed that though. I had two. So you had another, your guests on a treadmill? Yeah, we both were on. So we had two, uh, treadmills facing each other and we would work out and it was, it was like a hot box in there. It was because there's no air conditioning because you couldn't hear with a treadmill and the air conditioning. So people were, I'm not joking. They were dying on these treadmills. Like people were almost at the place of passing out because of the air conditioning, like it, like in the summer. Oh my God. People were like, it was, and then if I had guys on, which I have on like 50 60 percent of the time right whatever half the time they would get competitive so if i was at like a 2.6 let's say on the treadmill they would be like 2.7 without just not even knowing you know what i mean like oh 2.7 she's at 2.6 i'll be at 2.8 and then i would see that 2.8 and i'd go to three and it would be like a whole thing happening kind of like subliminally kind of like subconsciously You know what I mean?

55:47It was hilarious. It was, I should, honestly, I'm thinking of bringing it back because it was, it was actually really fun because you also see people when they are like, because the casual walk turned out to be more, it became like a much more rigorous thing sometimes. and you see how people actually respond in those moments, right? Because you have to like pay attention to not following, to talking. I think it was really, it was great. I loved it actually.

56:18Shawn Stevenson:I'm saying it's like, it's a unique thing. I know. I know, it's before my, it was like, this was like six years ago. Yeah. You can be my first guest if I bring it. You know what? I'll do it. Yeah, okay, good. You can be my first guest And you'll like be like, we'll start at 2.5. We'll end up at like 7.8 sprinting. I want to ask you about this because, you know, as you just mentioned, your access and interviewing some of the most successful people, you've obviously learned a lot, gained a lot and shared a lot. And so I want to know some of these secrets in particular, when it comes to getting results, right?

57:00Shawn Stevenson:Your show is Habits and Hustle, right? So I think that a lot of people unconsciously believe that successful people tend to have these different habits that nobody else has. But what are those consistencies? Can you reveal that for us? Like across the board, what are the most consistent habits you see with some of the most successful people? You know what, like consistency, so the most consistent habit I've seen with the most successful people is the habit of consistency. that's the habit what i've noticed is nobody i hate to say this is any more special than anybody else and the people that you think are the most successful that oh they must have this like superpower no they just train themselves to lock in and just do the same mundane crap day in and day out and stay on track even if it failed one day even if they were unhappy they did it scared They did it lonely.

58:03They did it sad. They did it mad. They did it frustrated. They just did it. And so what I like what I always and like what I kind of gleaned from that is exactly that. It's not rocket science. None of this is rocket science. There's no secret. The secret is there's no secret. That is the secret. You can watch a million reels on Instagram and you could, you You know, you could watch everything, every YouTube video and how to. But the reality is at the end of the day, the only thing that you need to do is do. Do whatever that thing is and just keep on doing it and don't stop. And if you stop, get right back up and start again.

58:45Don't compromise. Do not compromise what that goal is. If it's not working, don't change the goal. Change the strategy. But keep doing that. Still keep going for what that is.

58:55Shawn Stevenson:Come on. Come on. This is fire. Thank you so much. This has been incredibly enlightening. And I mean, I've already got some ideas I want to put into place for myself. Real talk, the one mile rule, like I love that because I like to have a purpose. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? Like if I'm just going to the store, but for me, my, my negotiator is like, well, you know, my wife won't come with me or whatever, you know, like sometimes she might come, but I don't need somebody else just to do it, you know? So it's just like, I can make that a rule for myself. If it's within a mile, I'm just going to walk there.

59:28Absolutely. And put yourself in positions to win. Like to me, that's a really important thing, right? Like figure out ways that you can like figure out ways to win. Like I purposefully live in a place where I have to walk. That's why I don't live in a, I like to live in the middle. So I, there's a Ralph's or there's like a grocery store.

59:47Shawn Stevenson:After I've walked to the Ralphs, after I've left your house both times, I walked to the Ralphs. Exactly. And get a bottle of like good water. Right, exactly. So like, that's another non-negotiable. Like for me, it's like, give yourself every opportunity and chance to succeed. Right? Don't be yourself's worst enemy. Like, right? Don't self-reject yourself, right? Always put yourself in a position to win. Yeah, yeah. This is amazing. Can you let everybody know where to follow you? Tell them about your show, all that good stuff. Oh, yes. Thank you. So my podcast is called Habits and Hustle. If you have not seen it or heard of it, please take a listen.

1:00:27The Real Jen Cohen is my Instagram and my TikTok and I guess all the things. What else? JenniferCohen.com is my website. People know how to find it. In today's time, you guys will figure it out, I'm sure. And if not, Sean will tell you. Yeah. Oh, and my last book was called Bigger, Better, Bolder.

1:00:45Shawn Stevenson:Yes, yes. I mean, you don't have to be Nancy Drew to find people today. Although you were Nancy Drew-ing it as soon as you came in here. Who is that? Was he here? I see the shoes and I put this together. You were right. Exactly. I'm Inspector Clouseau, Nancy Drew or whoever, Inspector Clouseau, whatever. Yes. Well, I appreciate you so much. And, you know, again, this is incredibly inspiring for me as well. And we'll put all of the links and access to you in the show notes. and you're the best. You're amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. This was so fun. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do this again.

1:01:22Shawn Stevenson:Good. A time or 20. I love the calm. His person, by the way, I love his energy. I told him he should, if calm, if you're listening, put him on your app as a meditation person. Hey, you never know. Yeah. Well, everybody out there in dreamland, I appreciate you for hanging out. The one and only Jen Cohen, everybody. Thank you. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode today. I hope that you got a lot of value out of this. If you did, you already know what to do. Share it out with somebody that you care about. And please know that I am not playing around. We've got some incredible masterclasses and world-leading experts coming your way very, very soon.

1:01:57Shawn Stevenson:So make sure to stay tuned. Take care, have an amazing day, and I'll talk with you soon.