Will Mackin Reads "Pig Lab"

28 Jun 2026 · 34 min · 6 chapters

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Deborah Treisman introduces Will Mackin reading his New Yorker story “Pig Lab.” The episode centers on a U.S. Navy veteran narrator who stages “pig labs” to rehearse battlefield trauma, but the training becomes a surreal, morally charged ritual where pigs are treated as brothers and humans are the sacrificial stand-ins.

Key claims

the narrator argues war training is “window dressing” for chaos, that trauma flashbacks (especially his wife Allison’s) are triggered by specific memories and sensory cues, and that the “scenario” world mirrors real combat injuries and guilt. Notable examples include: anesthetized pigs lined up for amputations and chest wounds; Redbeard’s “good order” rules with no one raising hands; the narrator’s own disembowelment-like ordeal; Allison hiding in a toy box during flashbacks; and a final burning-tower exercise that turns into a rescue.

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none—only Will Mackin (reader) and Deborah Treisman (host).

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Will Mackin Reads 'Pig Lab'

0:04 to 1:21

Experience the reading of 'Pig Lab', a compelling story by Will Mackin.

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Will Mackin Reads 'Pig Lab'

2:24 to 14:01

Experience the reading of 'Pig Lab', a compelling story by Will Mackin.

“Navy veteran who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is the author of Bring Out the Dog, which won the Penn Robert W.”

Imagining the Pig Lab World

14:01 to 18:16

Explore a surreal narrative where pigs represent human experiences in wartime.

“where all our names, specialties, and requirements were graded out in black marker.”

Flashbacks and Memories

18:16 to 23:54

Delve into the protagonist's memories and flashbacks that intertwine with the present.

“Anybody not had a turn, raise your hand.”

The Training Scenario

23:54 to 28:00

Witness a training exercise that blurs the line between reality and imagination.

“His practically non-existent neck bent in a very human way.”

Flashback to Present Day

28:00 to 32:46

Explore a vivid narrative about a childhood scene involving a toy box and backyard adventures.

“Allison's foot broke through one side of the toy box.”
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2:07This is The Writer's Voice, new fiction from The New Yorker. I'm Deborah Treisman, fiction editor at The New Yorker. On this episode of The Writer's Voice, we'll hear Will Mackin read his story, Pig Lab, which appears in the July 6th and 13th, 2026 issue of the magazine. Mackin, a U.S. Navy veteran who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is the author of Bring Out the Dog, which won the Penn Robert W. Bingham Prize as the Best Debut Short Story Collection of 2018. Now here's Will Mackin. Pig Lab. Late as I was, I figured I'd be walking right into an active scenario. Crazy Omar, maybe, or outnumbered and outgunned.

2:51I thought I'd hear the thud of stun grenades and hillbilly shouts of Allah Akbar. I expected to taste the bitter clouds of cordite drifting over the lawn and see the green muzzle flash of machine guns firing blanks on full auto. Above all, I assumed I'd find wounded pigs dying on the grass and the boys elbow deep in their salvation. Turned out, however, that I hadn't missed much. The pigmen were in the trailer, knocking out the pigs with anesthesia. The pigs, perhaps sensing the looming betrayal, or at least recognizing a serious departure from their bottle-fed, sunny upbringing, fought back. Hooves banged against the metal floor.

3:34Squeals cut through the cool air. Steam leaked through the trailer's slats. Pig fear had the same sour reek as our fear. I found the boys stooging in a patch of morning sun at the base of our compound's tower. Ted Waters, with his real leg crossed over his mechanical one, eyeballed my approach. Nice of you to join us, he said. Bing Thomas spoke out of the corner of his new mouth. Look who decided to show up. I'd planned to arrive early, before the boys and before the pigmen, just as I had for the previous pig labs I'd attended in preparation for my troops' deployments. I liked to give myself time to prepare for the day's events.

4:17The scenarios were nothing more than window dressing, meant to evoke the chaotic night raids that would be our mission downrange. It was the pigs that had me worried. A pig's face might remind me of Bing's old face, or a pig's leg, lying off to the side, detached and jittering, could resemble Ted's leg. I'd wanted to arrive early enough to think through these possibilities and allow other half-forgotten things to bubble to the surface. But just as I was about to leave the house, my wife, Allison, had screamed from the upstairs bedroom. Circumstances beyond my control, I explained to the boys. The trailer's back gate swung open, and a pigman wearing a blacksmith's apron emerged.

5:00He'd been blown up, I guessed, then put back together minus some pieces. I suspected this because a curious light shone from around his joints, as if some kind of spell held him together. Specifically, the type of spell that would break if anyone drew attention to it. He wore a red beard that looked like it had been carved out of wood, dipped in wax, and clicked into place. He approached us on a curve. Who's done this before? he asked. I raised my hand. Redbeard spoke in a low electric monotone. Someone besides him, then. Why are we here? Officially, we were there to learn, via live, unconscious, anesthetized, and wounded pigs, how to manage battlefield amputations, hemorrhaging, sucking chest wounds, skull fractures, and the like.

5:52Unofficially, however, this was a sacrifice. Pigs instead of us. An answer to Redbeard's question came from behind me. We're here to fuck up some pigs. No one laughed. Who said that? Redbeard asked. It was the new guy. Untested as he was, his body was whole and his mind was intact. As a result, his voice was confident, clear, and amplified by an empty-headed belief in his own good intentions. New guy tried to fix himself. It was a stupid joke, he said. From the pig trailer came a bang, followed by a muffled squeal. These pigs are our brothers, not jokes, Redbeard said. I'm sorry, New Guy said, I wasn't thinking.

6:40Redbeard nodded, and a flash of light escaped from a scar on his neck. Sorry's not good enough. You can leave. Allison's scream was not that of a full-grown woman, the kind I'd heard on so many night raids. There was no depth to it, no hint of recognition of the horror that had provoked it. It was, instead, the simple, guileless scream of a young girl, which meant that my wife was having a flashback. I ran upstairs and into the bedroom, where I found the bed empty, the covers flung aside. I got on my hands and knees to look under the bed, which was supposed to be Allison's safe place. This had been decided in therapy, which we'd signed up for after Allison had got pregnant, and her memories, which she'd suppressed for decades, had started to become a problem.

7:31The therapist was a round, soft woman who sat cross-legged on a fuzzy couch. Allison and I sat on a smooth couch opposite her. There was a glass coffee table between us and under that was a cardboard box full of toys. A big clock hung on the wall, ticking softly. The therapist said that Allison needed a place to go where she would feel protected. When Allison couldn't think of a safe place on her own, the therapist suggested under the bed. I wanted to hug my wife and tell her that everything was going to be all right. I wanted to convince her of this with the kind of hug that was a safe space in and of itself, that would feel like the inverse of all those dark and musty spaces that the boys and I, while reading out the enemy downrange, had torn big loud holes in.

8:20But as the therapist explained to me, Allison needed to be in a place where no one would try to convince her of anything. I didn't find her under the bed. I didn't find her in the bathroom either. She wasn't curled up under the toilet tank where I'd discovered her once before, nor was she lying fetal and naked in the cold and empty tub. In the four months that Allison had been pregnant, I'd learned a few of the things that triggered her flashbacks. Her father's birthday was one. Her mother's birthday, just two days later, was another. The smell of spoiled milk, which, until age 13, she had thought was the smell of fresh milk, and the sight of the little girl from down the street, standing off to the side, away from the other kids at the bus stop, with her dirty face, uncombed hair, dingy stockings, and untied shoes.

9:10Allison was 31 years old, tall with long, auburn hair and a bright smile. In the throes of a flashback, however, she became a terrified child. Her heart hammered away, her eyes flickered, and her voice grew tiny and plaintive. The flashbacks often happened at dawn as the world was coming into focus, or in the evening when it was starting to dim. The moment a flashback began, Allison would hide. I did not turn on the lights to find her, and I did not call her a name, because these were things that her father had done. Instead, I stood quietly and listened. Explosions had all but ruined my hearing.

9:49As a result, there was no such thing as quiet. Sometimes crickets chirped in my head. Other times, a phantom string quartet warmed up. Standing in our bedroom that morning, I heard a pot of water rumbling to a boil. Then, from the baby's room, I heard a whimper and a thump. Pigs were lined up on their backs, on the grass, anesthetized, mouths wide open, tongues hanging out, eyes slammed shut. Armed pigmen stood at either end of the line. Closest to the fence was a pigman with a rubber hand, who was gripping a hatchet with his flesh-and-blood hand. The pigman, at the other end of the line, wore an eyepatch and carried an M4.

10:33These two stood ready to wound the pigs as soon as Redbeard was done saying goodbye. Redbeard knelt alongside a pig, kissed the top of its head, and gave it a hug. Slowly, he rose to his feet and moved on to the next pig. I walked over to where Redbeard was kneeling. Eyepatch rocked on the balls of his feet and hummed. Sunlight chimed off Rubberhand's hatchet blade. Redbeard's palm rested on the pig's chest, right above its heart. My shadow fell on him. What do you say we call this off? I said The sun, directly behind me, gave my shadow a halo Redbeard looked up at me How so? he asked You take the pigs back to the farm and I take the boys back to the compound If Hire asked me how the training went, I'll say it was great But your men haven't done the training Yeah, they have, all of them did it except the guy you sent home None of them raised their hands.

11:37They don't like raising their hands. It makes them feel stupid. What about good order and discipline? The light that shone from Redbeard's joints brightened. Were you like this before? I asked. I had been walking behind Ted Waters on that blue night, along the highway outside Marja in Afghanistan, when the bomb took his leg. The explosion had balled me up, shoved me aside, and pelted me with hot stones. Aside from a sharp ringing in my ears, however, I was fine. I'd knelt next to Ted as he lay on his back, conscious and bleeding on the pavement. What happened? he'd asked me as I fastened a tourniquet around his tattered thigh, then looked at my watch.

12:24It was twenty-three minutes after midnight, so I wrote 0023 in grease pencil on Ted's forehead. You're going to be fine, I'd said. But Ted had already begun to realize that he was not going to be fine. And every now and then since, whenever things were quiet and no one was paying attention, he thought back to a time when he was fine. Now it seemed as if Redbeard were remembering too. You can't choose the things you want to do versus those things you don't, Redbeard said. My wife is pregnant, I told him. Congratulations, Redbeard said I have a newborn son myself After Ted Waters and Bing Thomas were wounded I put them both on injured reserve Thinking that I was doing them a favor They could retire early with full benefits And they could have a go at becoming normal citizens But they refused They both wanted back in I thought this was insane So I made them an insane proposal If they could get through Hell Week again I'd sign waivers for the face and the leg.

13:33It wasn't pretty, but they made it. We could save them both, I said to Redbeard, my kid and your kid. We could stop this nonsense right now, and maybe they won't have to go to war. How so? You take the pigs back to the farm, and I take the boys back to the compound. If Hire asked me how the training went, I'll say it was great. I thought of the big dry erase board hanging in our op shed, where all our names, specialties, and requirements were graded out in black marker. A green checkmark in a box meant that a particular block of refresher training required prior to our next deployment, marksmanship, free fall, clandestine entry, had been completed.

14:19An open box meant incomplete. Bing Thomas had drawn this grid by hand, following each warped line with a slightly more warped line, until the grid practically curled under itself. Pig Lab was the last column on the grid. Its deformed and empty boxes appeared to have been crushed under a landslide of green checks. Then what? Redbeard asked. Of course, I'd imagined a world where pigs were humans and we were pigs. where pigs fought wars while wanting to save their fellow pigs from death, where pigs learned from humans how to save themselves. In this upside-down world, there'd be a pig like Ted Waters, who, one blue winter night on a concrete highway outside Marja, had his leg blown off by a bomb disguised as a guardrail.

15:13And there'd be a pig like me, who'd knelt beside Ted and applied the tourniquet just as he'd been trained to do. Then, a month later in Coast, a pig like Bing Thomas would have opened a booby-trapped door and had his face sheared off. And a pig like me would have picked Bing's face up off the dirt, rinsed it in cold water from his canteen, and felt the skin flex in the palm of his hand. Now I was on my back in the grass that grew dark and thick all around the tall concrete tower. My jaw was slack, my eyes were slammed shut, and my tongue hung out. touching the ground. I tasted dirt and chlorophyll.

15:53The black sun shone through my tightly closed eyelids, and I could feel myself gently rising and falling, as if I were lying in a rowboat on the ocean. A deep incision ran from the base of my throat to my navel. My sternum was fractured, my ribcage pried open. Cool shadows of puffy clouds floated across my exposed heart, which the pigs took turns touching with their snouts. With their snouts, the pigs would feel each beat of my heart the way a human would feel a silver dollar that had been flipped in the air then caught in an open palm, flipped and caught, coming up heads or tails, whichever side had been called when the coin was at its apogee.

16:35The pigs would know from my heart's predictability that the spark of life is durable. And they would learn that no matter how bad a situation appears, it could always be worse. I didn't understand their language, but I knew what the pigs were saying to one another because it was the same stuff that the boys and the pigmen say to one another. New Pig, who had apparently been allowed back into the group after Red Pig had calmed down and accepted his apology for joking about their human brothers, touched my naked heart with his cold wet snout, tickling me and making me snicker. This one is a rascal, New Pig said of me.

17:13You know it, Red Pig said. He opens doors with his hands. Also plays fetch, Eyepatch Pig said. I never heard of a human that could fetch, New Pig said. You should come out to the farm sometime, Red Pig said. Mention of the farm brought to mind a make-believe oasis of sunshine. Warm fields of thick green grass, fat red apples hanging from a tree, oats mixed with brown sugar in the trough, and a cool, clear stream winding through the center of it all. Look, Red Pig said, nodding toward me on the grass, my white heart thudding slowly in my open chest. That's a strong, steady heartbeat. He can keep going like that for a while.

18:00The sun disappeared behind a cloud and I shivered. I thought of Allison, lying in the cold and empty bathtub. As I lifted her out of the tub, she pleaded with me to stop touching her. Everybody had a turn, Red Pig asked. No one answered. Okay, Red Pig said. Anybody not had a turn, raise your hand. The pigs just looked at him. I sat cross-legged on the shag carpet next to the blue toy box. Its wooden lid rattled. No, Allison said from inside. she sounded small and far away. It's okay, I said it's me. Allison had scooped all the toys out of the box and tossed them on the floor. New toys, like the spaceship and the motorcycle, were piled on old toys, like the cowboy I'd had as a kid.

18:52Once upon a time, this cowboy had been at the knees, elbows, shoulders, and hips. I'd taken him everywhere with me. Then, one summer day, at the neighborhood pool where I was taking swimming lessons. Bullies had pulled my cowboy apart and left all his pieces in a glass ashtray. When I found him, I was inconsolable. I cried nonstop for the cowboy, but also for myself and for my mother, my father, my brother, my sister. Death would not spare us either. My father used a powerful glue to reassemble the cowboy, which, 25 years later, still smelled like orange peels. The cowboy wore the brown vest that I'd cut for him out of felt.

19:33The shape of his face was unchanged, but its features, drawn in black ink on soft plastic, had faded away. It's Monday, September 8th, 2009. We're in our house on Rock Rose Lane. You're safe here, I told Allison through the toy box lid. No, she moaned. Allison wasn't big by any stretch. Even pregnant, she'd maintained her lithe shape from her swimming days. And she'd always been flexible, but she still shouldn't have fit in the toy box. In the throes of a flashback, however, she underwent some kind of transformation that allowed her to occupy otherwise impossible spaces. I'd seen something like this performed on a TV show called That's Incredible, where a six-foot-tall, 200-pound yogi had folded himself into a plexiglass cube half the size of the toy box.

20:25You could see the yogi through the transparent walls of the cube, his serene face surrounded by limbs like so many spare parts. Allison was similarly contorted whenever I found her mid-flashback. Unlike the yogi, however, she was unable to escape whatever predicament she'd got herself into. When she jammed herself under the toilet tank, for example, I'd had to drain the tank, remove it, and pull the bowl out of the floor to free her. We love our house, I whispered to the side of the toy box. It's white with black shutters. You painted the front door red. You planted flowers in the beds. No, she said.

21:05I'm 32 years old and you're 31. My hair's falling out. We're in the baby's room on the second floor. We don't know if it's a boy or a girl yet. We don't know if we want to know. The baby's room is yellow, the same color it was when we bought the house. We don't know what color to paint it yet. Allison's hand shot out from under the lid of the toy box and grabbed me by the collar. Quiet, she pleaded. He'll find us. Allison didn't know whether her father was dead or alive, let alone where he might be. I'd tried to find out secretly. I'd given the spooks the compound, the same men and women who, at the time, were spending all day and night searching the dark web for Osama bin Laden, Allison's father's name.

21:50I told them what Allison had told me, that her father had driven a van that smelled like buttermilk, that as a young man he'd aspired to join the San Francisco Ballet, and that, later in life, he'd impersonated a dentist in Milwaukee. No detail, no matter how incomplete or far-fetched, was irrelevant to their search. The spooks had plugged all this information into the algorithm, the same system that had delivered us Muhammad Atef, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Al Zarqawi, and it had come up with a brother working in a muffler shop in Palo Alto. He won't find you, I said. She pulled her hand back inside the toy box, and its lid clapped shut.

22:36Rubberhand with his hatchet and Eyepatch with his M4 had done their work. The hatchet had fallen with a soft sound of dirt filling a hole. The M4 had discharged what looked like powerful gusts of wind. The pigmen had crossed paths at the midpoint in the line of pigs, where each, in turn, deferred to the other as if he were opening a door for a lady before continuing on to the other end. We weren't supposed to watch. Y 'all line up on a pig, Redbeard said A dozen pigs lay face up on the grass, hurt, doped, and smiling I chose one with a freckled belly A first aid kit and a bottle of water lay on the grass beside him Redbeard held up a first aid kit Same stuff we carry in the field Minus the fentanyl lollipop, which is a controlled substance Which is the tits Eyepatch said.

23:34Redbeard continued. When I say go, approach your wounded and do an assessment. Pat and swipe. Don't try to put any outside stuff back inside. Leave that for the surgeons at the cache. Your job is to prepare your brother for the journey. Project calm. Look him in the eye and tell him it's going to be okay. Tell him he's going to make it. Raise your hand if you have questions. No one raised his hand. Go. My pig was heavier than I'd expected. His practically non-existent neck bent in a very human way. Otherwise, I couldn't find anything wrong with him. I raised my hand. Redbeard knelt next to me, and light shone from his knees.

24:21What you got? he asked. I don't know, I said. Talk to him. The pig looked at me out of one eye. Hey, buddy, I said. Where's it hurt? The pig blew a pink snot bubble out of one nostril. Redbeard pointed at it. What's that tell you, he asked. Collapsed lung, I guessed. Right on, Redbeard said. Now what? Inside the first aid kit was a prepackaged needle that could be used to create a vent in the case of a collapsed lung. I peeled open this package, removed the needle, and held it between my teeth. I felt for the pig's ribs with my fingertips. Into a soft spot between two ribs, I drove the needle home.

25:04There was a pop. The pig sighed and relaxed. Redbeard nudged me aside. He put his ear to the pig's chest and listened for a heartbeat. He pried open the pig's eyelids and stared into his giant pupils. He's gone, he said. The pig man huddled by the tower. I patched to the grass and rubber hand hummed Dixie, while Redbeard wrote in a little green notebook with a stubby red pencil. It was the same notebook-pencil combination that I used on missions downrange. I wrote call signs, frequencies, rendezvous coordinates, Zulu times, and Julian dates in that notebook's blue-lined pages. Just strings of numbers, mostly, that would otherwise be shoved out of short-term memory by more numbers.

25:54But when I looked back through those notebooks, the way the numbers slanted or grew large or turned shaky across the page told me all I needed to know about the night on which they'd been written, and therefore served as a kind of memory. Redbeard waved me over. He pointed the eraser of his pencil at my dead pig, lying in an oval of flat grass. Minus this one, your troop don't make the cut, he told me. You get that guy who saved two pigs? I Patch asked. New Guy and his exuberance had patched a sucking chest wound on one pig, then clamped another pig's severed artery. I got him, Redbeard said. We could round up, Rubberhand suggested.

26:37This ain't tiddlywinks, Redbeard said. Well, I guess that's that, I said. None of them acted like they'd heard me. We could redo the first thing, Rubberhand said. Then we'll run out of pigs for the last thing, Redbeard said. If I leave now, I can get to the farm and back before you're done with the next thing, Eyepatch said. This can-do attitude, I interrupted. This make-it-happen-at-all-cost. It's unnatural. We gotta stop. You take 165 down to 68? Rubberhand asked Eyepatch. This time of day, Eyepatch said. Leave the trailer here and put, like, six pigs in the cab, Redbeard said. I'd knock them out first, Rubberhand said.

27:24Just then my pig jumped to its feet and shook the wet blades of grass off its back. There you go, Redbeard said.

27:34The sun was on its way up and birds were chirping in the bare branches of the oak tree outside the window. Allison was still in the toy box, curled up, I imagined With her knees at her chin and her elbows at her ankles I talked to her the way the therapist had recommended Slowly and steadily With a focus on our immediate surroundings and the current situation In hopes that this intonation of our state of affairs Would end her flashback and return her to the present day I had just started talking about the future I want our lives to calm down, I said I want us to sit on the porch, watch the sun set over the canal, let our kids play in the yard, and boom!

28:17Allison's foot broke through one side of the toy box. Her bare and scraped up leg hung out from mid-thigh. Crack! She elbowed out the front panel of the toy box, then rolled out of the wreckage and onto her hands and knees. Her hair was matted and her eyes were wild. There are snakes in the backyard, she said. What kind of snakes, I asked. I'd never seen one. Cottonmouths. They come up from the canal and sun themselves on the grass. You need to get rid of them. As soon as I come home from work, I said. No, do it now, she said.

28:54The final scenario was burning down the house. Eyepatch carried the last pig up the stairs of the tower all the way to the roof, where he laid it down on the gritty sun-baked surface. Then he looked over the edge and down at Redbeard, who was looking up at him from a gas valve the size of a ship's wheel. That does it, Eyepatch said. Redbeard made a mark in his notebook. Come on down, he said. Before we'd commandeered it for our purposes, this tower had been a training aid for the fire department. As such, it had been a placeholder for all homes in the area that might one day catch fire. So it was also a proxy for the two-story colonial on the banks of the muddy canal where Allison and I lived.

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29:38And it stood in for the house three doors down, identical to ours in every way save its crooked shutters and dead shrubs, where the disheveled little girl from the bus stop lived. Ted Waters sat on the grass near the fence. He'd undone the rubber bands that held his mechanical leg in place and set it aside. He was scratching the dirt where his shin would have been, watching the situation develop. As Eyepatch descended the stairs of the tower, whistling a carefree shuffling tune, Ted stood up and hopped over to me. Do something, he said. Like what? I asked. You got a big yard. Take these pigs in.

30:16Let them grow old. Earlier that morning, while I was standing in the backyard with a shovel, Codmouths had come up from the canal. They'd slithered uphill through the grass toward the house. They'd lunged at me with their fangs out. I'd lowered the shovel and, one by one, chopped off eight heads. I'd left the heads in the grass as a warning to the rest. My wife doesn't want any critters in the backyard, I said. Stand clear, Redbeard hollered. New Guy stood facing the tower with his sleeves rolled up, hands on his hips and chest out. He shouted at us over his shoulder. Who's with me? Redbeard turned the valve on a six-inch gas line.

30:59This fat line fed a series of narrower pipes in the tower, which ran along the corners of every floor, wall, and ceiling, and were perforated to spray gas into the rooms. With the valve wide open, this system made a noise like a hovering spaceship. Bing Thomas ran over to me and nudged Ted Waters aside. The expression on Bing's face alternated between satanic and serene. His crooked nose honked like a kazoo. I ain't running into no burning building, he said. Fear is an illusion, new guy announced. The igniter was wired to a red button inside a little black box mounted to a wooden post. Redbeard opened the door to this box and pushed the button.

31:43The fuse clicked softly. The spark sounded like a stick breaking in half. Then, whoomp! Flames jumped from the tower's open windows and stood straight up against the light blue sky. Heat from the fire warmed my face. It toasted my chest through my shirt. It sucked a draft out of the swamp, which smelled like rotten eggs. Pig screams were no different from our screams. Bing Thomas ran into the tower with one eye shut. Ted Waters reattached his leg on the fly. New Guy didn't budge, so the boys and I parted around him and came together on the other side.

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Will Mackin reads his story “Pig Lab,” from the July 6 & 13, 2026, issue of the magazine. Mackin, a U.S. Navy veteran who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is the author of “Bring Out the Dog,” which won the PEN/Robert W. Bingham Prize as the best début short-story collection of 2018.

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