America Was Defined by a Story. It’s Time for a New One.

16 Sep 2025 · 11 min · 4 chapters

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In short

The New York Times “The Opinions” launches a series on America’s national story, arguing that U.S. politics repeatedly changes through competing narratives. It traces the founding story to Enlightenment ideas—reason, science, autonomy, and resistance to tyranny—while acknowledging contradictions like slavery and mistreatment of Native people.

Key claims

America’s polarization stems from a “dark story,” and the country can’t escape without a new, rallying story. The episode says every major movement and major president succeeded by telling effective stories (FDR: security and freedom from want; Reagan: confidence and strength; Obama: hope and change; Trump: stagnation/unfairness and “lost greatness”).

Notable examples

Jefferson’s “altar of God eternal hostility…” quote; political shifts from 2016 onward.

Guests

None mentioned; the host is David Leonhardt.

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Chapters

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Exploring America's Current Narrative

0:45 to 1:52

Discussion on the current state of America and the need for a new national story.

“I'm David Leonhardt, and I'm an editorial director in New York Times opinion.”

The Founding Principles of America

1:52 to 4:38

Reflection on the founding principles of America and Enlightenment thinking.

“Before we look to the future, we want to look back to the nation's very first story, and where it came from.”

The Power of Story in Politics

4:38 to 8:02

Analysis of how storytelling has shaped American political movements and figures.

“Other nations have their roots as ethnic enclaves or as places for people of a certain religion.”

Looking Towards America's Future

8:02 to 9:14

Encouragement to imagine what America's next story could be post-Trump.

“In the last few years, Trump has won over growing numbers of Latino, Asian, and Black voters.”
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0:37You've heard the news. Here's what to make of it.

0:45I'm David Leonhardt, and I'm an editorial director in New York Times opinion.

0:52Today, The Opinions podcast is starting something new. It's a series about our national story, the American story. Right now, we're obviously living through a pretty dark story. Americans are polarized and they're frustrated, sometimes with good reason. But we're not going to get out of this rut without a different story that can rally people to something new. That's what this series will examine. In the coming episodes, we'll talk to historians, writers, and policymakers to think about what that new story can be. You know, I like the word determination. We've got to make this country work better for working families.

1:36We need to open the window on big, bold changes, even if people aren't prepared for that. Yet.

1:52Before we look to the future, we want to look back to the nation's very first story, and where it came from.

2:03Wow. I mean, it's gorgeous. I'm standing inside the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, D.C., And just as you walk inside the memorial, there is a quote. The letters are huge. They're each about three feet tall, I think. And they wrap around the inside of the memorial's famous dome. And they loom over this massive statue of Jefferson. We're with the New York Times, and we're recording a podcast about America's story. And so, can I ask you to read that quote on the wall? You want me to read it? Yeah. Why not? Let me catch my breath. Start with I have sworn. Okay, here we go. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

2:56The quotation comes from a letter that Jefferson wrote to his friend Benjamin Rush. Let me read the quote again. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. That line reflects the principles of the Enlightenment, which had started in the late 1600s. Enlightenment thinkers believed that reason and science should prevail over brute political force, which was a radical idea when it first began to spread. But during the 1700s, more philosophers and writers began to make the case for reason and for human autonomy. These were the ideas that animated the people, like Jefferson, who started the American Revolution and became this nation's founders.

3:43Of course, there were some shameful exceptions to the founders' Enlightenment thinking, including their treatment of Native people and their support for slavery. In Jefferson's case, this included his enslavement of other human beings. That will always be a deserved stain on his legacy and the legacy of the other founders. Still, the founding of this country did embody Enlightenment thinking, in ways that no previous event had, even if it didn't always live up to that thinking. The founders called for religious freedom. They said that a government had no legitimacy if it oppressed its own citizens.

4:22Before the American Revolution, no other country had been founded on these ideas. After the Revolution, many other countries would be. When you visit this memorial and you think about our country's history, you realize something. America was founded on a story. Other nations have their roots as ethnic enclaves or as places for people of a certain religion. Not America. It began as a story that Enlightenment thinkers started telling in the 1600s and the founders then told themselves and to the world. They risked their lives for it. That story, with all its beauty and, yes, its terrible contradictions, has remained part of our national fabric.

5:05It's been the foundation for the American stories that have followed. Every important social and political movement has told a story. The abolitionists did. So did the progressives and the Whigs, the suffragists and the civil rights marchers, the advocates for disability rights and for marriage equality. Stories have been especially important when the country found itself in a crisis. They've enabled America to emerge from that crisis and to find a new path. Just think about the central figures of American history. Think of the story that Franklin D. Roosevelt told when the country found itself first in a depression and then in an existential war.

5:44He spoke of both security and freedoms. Freedom from want. And the voters elected him four times. Which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants. Or think of Ronald Reagan. who won the presidency during a time of national malaise by telling a story about confidence and strength and his own version of freedom. The American people said, let us look to the future with confidence, both at home and abroad. Let us give freedom a chance. More recently, think of Barack Obama, who told an exciting story about hope and change. That's what's happening in America right now.

6:30Change is what's happening in America. Whatever you think of these presidents' policies, they were able to enact those policies because of their success at telling the country a story.

6:48And then came Donald Trump, who has now dominated American politics for more than a decade. I am with you. I will fight for you. and I will win for you.

7:04You may be alarmed by President Trump's policies and behavior. I certainly am. But it is vital to recognize that his political success depends on the story that he has told the country. A story about stagnation, unfairness, and lost greatness. A story about globalization, and about elites and outsiders whom he blames for our problems. We will make America strong again. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. And we will make America great again. God bless you and good night. I love you.

7:55That story first won over Republican primary voters in 2016 with shocking speed. Then it won over large numbers of working-class white voters who had previously voted Democratic, including for Barack Obama. In the last few years, Trump has won over growing numbers of Latino, Asian, and Black voters. But here's something important to remember. America will eventually move on to a new story. We always do. Trump will leave office. Really, he will. He is already in his second term, even if it doesn't always feel that way. And so it's time to start thinking about what post-Trump politics will be. It's time to start talking about what America's next story will be.

8:43I understand that many Americans across the political spectrum have become pessimistic about this country. Some go as far as to say that they've lost hope. I want to persuade you that that is a mistake. America has overcome terrible injustices, gaping societal divisions, and dysfunctional political leaders before. But it has always done so by imagining how the future can be different and then forging that future. No, we are not guaranteed to do so again. But we can do so. And if we don't try, we are guaranteed to fail.

9:27As part of this project, my colleagues and I want to hear from you. What do you think America's next story should be? Tell us. Record a voice memo on your phone and send it to theopinions at nytimes.com. That's the opinions with an S at the end at nytimes.com.

10:17Transcription by CastingWords and Jillian Weinberger. It's edited by Kari Pitkin and Alison Bruzek. Engineering, mixing, and original music by Isaac Jones, Sonia Herrero, Pat McCusker, Carol Saburo, and Afim Shapiro. Additional music by Amin Sahota. The Fact Check team is Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker, and Michelle Harris. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta and Christina Samulewski. The director of Times Opinion Audio is Annie Rose Strasser.

From the publisher

Donald Trump rose to power on a dark vision of American life: stagnation, lost greatness, unfairness. But he’ll eventually leave office — really, he will. David Leonhardt, an editorial director in Times Opinion, wants to know what’s next. What should America’s next story be? In the first in the series, he looks back to America’s founding story.

What do you think America’s next story should be? We want to hear from you. Record a voice memo on your phone and send it to theopinions@nytimes.com. We may use an excerpt from your response in a future episode.

This episode of “The Opinions” was produced by Jillian Weinberger. It was edited by Alison Bruzek and Kaari Pitkin. The rest of the show's production team includes Derek Arthur, Vishakha Darbha and Kristina Samulewski. Mixing by Pat McCusker. Original music by Carole Sabouraud and Pat McCusker. Fact-checking by Mary Marge Locker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta and Kristina Samulewski. The director of Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.


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