Will Trump’s Failures Cost the G.O.P. in Texas?

28 Feb 2026 · 35 min · 16 chapters

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Podcast Notes: The Opinions - Will Trump’s Failures Cost the G.O.P. in Texas?

Episode Overview

  • Hosts: Michelle Cottle, David French, Jamelle Bouie
  • Focus: Texas Senate primary, Trump’s influence on the G.O.P., and the implications for both political parties.
  • Context: Recorded three days before the Texas Senate primary elections, with Trump visiting Texas to promote his economic record after a lackluster State of the Union address.

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Key Discussions

  1. Trump’s State of the Union Address
  2. Critique of Content:
  3. The address was marked by racism and lacked aspirational messaging.
  4. Trump touted economic achievements that did not align with the public's sentiments about their economic struggles.
  5. Public Sentiment:
  6. Voters are experiencing job crunches and higher prices, undermining Trump's optimistic narrative.
  7. Both parties struggle to connect with voters’ real-life experiences.
  1. Texas Senate Primary Dynamics
  2. Candidates:
  3. Ken Paxton (MAGA supporter with scandals).
  4. Wesley Hunt (Charismatic military vet, would be Texas's first Black senator).
  5. John Cornyn (Incumbent, viewed as too establishment by some party members).
  6. Implications for G.O.P.:
  7. A choice between maintaining traditional Republican values or embracing Trumpism.
  8. The outcome may influence the party's direction moving forward.
  1. Challenges for the G.O.P. and Trump’s Coalition
  2. Voter Demographics:
  3. Trump’s coalition included Latino and Black voters in past elections, but support is waning.
  4. The G.O.P. struggles to convert low-propensity Trump voters into consistent party supporters.
  5. Long-term Issues:
  6. Trump's administration has not addressed economic needs, leading to disillusionment among these demographics.
  7. An emphasis on divisive policies has alienated potential supporters.

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Key Takeaways

  • Trump's Influence: The party's reliance on Trump's persona and policies is a double-edged sword; while he energizes some voters, his polarizing tactics may alienate broader segments of the electorate.
  • Democratic Strategy:
  • Tailoring messages to local contexts and focusing on connecting voters' immediate concerns (healthcare, economic stability) to the failures of the Trump administration could resonate well.
  • Highlighting specific incidents of policy impact (like Medicaid cuts) may be effective in appealing to disenchanted voters.

Closing Thoughts

  • Rhetorical Decline: There is a perceived decline in rhetorical skills among current political leaders compared to previous eras, impacting public engagement.
  • Coalition Dynamics: The path forward for the G.O.P. may involve navigating between Trump’s legacy and a need for a new, cohesive strategy that addresses the electorate's diverse needs.

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Recommendations

  • Documentaries:
  • "MLK FBI" - Examines the FBI's surveillance of Martin Luther King Jr.
  • "King in the Wilderness" - Focuses on King's later years.
  • Books:
  • "There Is No Place for Us" by Brian Goldstone - A look at the working homeless in contemporary America.
  • Entertainment:
  • "Night of the Seven Kingdoms" (Game of Thrones spinoff) - A fun return to the fantasy genre.

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Episode Production Credits

  • Producers: Derek Arthur, Vishak Adarba, Jillian Weinberger
  • Editors: Kari Pitkin, Alison Bruzek
  • Mixing: Carol Sabouraud
  • Original Music: Isaac Jones, Sonia Herrero, Pat McCusker, Carol Sabouraud, Efim Shapiro, Aman Sahota
  • Fact-checking Team: Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker, Michelle Harris

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Contact Information

  • Email thoughts to: [theopinions@nytimes.com](mailto:theopinions@nytimes.com)

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This episode provides critical insights into the current political landscape, particularly regarding Trump's influence on the G.O.P. and the implications for upcoming elections in Texas.

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Trump's Upcoming Texas Visit and State of the Union Insights

0:45 to 2:39

Discussion about Trump's upcoming visit to Texas and commentary on his State of the Union performance.

“Usual caveat, we are recording this on Thursday, and Trump is set to head to Texas on Friday, ahead of the state's primary elections next week.”

Public Reactions to Trump's Economic Claims

2:39 to 4:50

Analysis of Trump's economic claims and their disconnect with voter experiences.

“to focus on the economy and make America feel like he understands their concerns.”

The Challenge of Effective Political Communication

4:50 to 7:42

Discussion on the decline of political rhetoric and the impact of communication styles on elections.

“So Jamel, what do you think in terms of, you know, looking at the midterm, they know what he needs to do or they have a sense of what he needs to do.”

Texas Senate Race Dynamics

7:42 to 12:00

Exploration of the Republican Senate primary in Texas and its implications for the party's future.

“And so I'm wondering how much of this is that we have dumbed down society to the point that, you know, if you talk at too high a level, you're just going to lose everybody who is going to think you're snooty or whatever.”

Post-Trump Republican Party Considerations

12:00 to 14:01

Debate on whether a post-Trump Republican Party can emerge and factors influencing the Texas Senate race.

“And then I think with the Democrats, you almost have, it's like the platonic form of the choice.”

Republican Primary Voters' Beliefs

14:01 to 14:59

Explore what Republican primary voters believe is necessary for winning elections.

“And this gets back to our previous discussion, which is just what Republican primary voters seem to believe is necessary to win elections.”

Gains and Losses with Hispanic Voters

15:00 to 16:51

Discuss the Republican Party's efforts and challenges in appealing to Hispanic voters.

“about the Republican Party trying to woo Latino voters up and down the ballots, you know, even in years when Trump wasn't there.”

The Nature of Trump's Electoral Coalition

16:52 to 17:35

Analyze the difference between electoral and durable party coalitions in Trump's era.

“And the result has been that this nascent coalition immediately began to fall apart, right?”

Impact of Extremism on Coalition Building

17:36 to 19:11

Examine how Trump's extreme policies affected voter coalitions and party unity.

“Among black voters, among Latino voters, among young voters, young men in particular, every gain Trump made in 2024 hasn't just reversed itself, but has gone basically fleeing in the other direction.”

Influence of Low Propensity Voters

19:12 to 21:46

Discuss the role of low propensity voters in Trump's campaigns and their current disillusionment.

“focusing so much on low propensity voters.”
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Changing Voter Landscape for Republicans

21:47 to 23:06

Analyze the shift of suburban and educated voters away from the Republican Party.

“And so the challenge for Republicans has always been to how can they convert people who vote for Trump into reliable Republicans?”

Democratic Messaging Strategy

23:07 to 27:09

Explore effective messaging strategies for Democrats in the upcoming elections.

“So last thing before before we end this is so what message do you think is most useful for Democrats in this cycle?”

Cultural Reflections in Recommendations

27:10 to 28:01

Discuss recent media recommendations related to Black history and civil rights.

“The tariff thing I find fascinating, because as we've talked about, people don't pay a lot of attention to economic details and policies and macro trends.”

Reflecting on Black History Documentaries

28:01 to 29:38

Discover insights from documentaries on Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement.

“This has been the theme for my recommendations this month.”

Anticipating New Fantasy Series

29:39 to 31:06

Explore the excitement around the new Game of Thrones series and its engaging elements.

“Okay, so Jamel really should have gone after me because I'm going to be so trite compared to that.”

Exploring Contemporary Homelessness

31:07 to 32:46

Learn about the challenges faced by the working homeless in a contemporary setting.

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Transcript

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0:01Michelle Cottle:This is The Opinions, a show that brings you a mix of voices from New York Times opinion. You've heard the news. Here's what to make of it.

0:19David French:I'm Michelle Cottle. I cover national politics for New York Times opinion. And this week, we've got the band back together. I've got my fabulous colleagues, David French, coming to us from Chicago, and our man in Charlottesville, Jamel Bowie. Guys, good to see you as always.

0:38Jamelle Bouie:Hey, Michelle. Hey, Michelle. Hey, David.

0:40David French:All right. Today, we're going to talk about the center of the electoral universe in the coming week, Texas, and the emerging cracks in Trump's coalition. Usual caveat, we are recording this on Thursday, and Trump is set to head to Texas on Friday, ahead of the state's primary elections next week. So, you know, anything goes. But as for the current no-nones, Trump is hitting the Lone Star Trail to spread his message of economic victory, prosperity. Now, of course, this past Tuesday, he had an even bigger platform from which to tout his economic record during the marathon State of the Union. So how did he do on that front?

1:28Jamelle Bouie:I'm sort of astonished that I managed to sit through the whole two hours.

1:33David French:Hey, good endurance. Very impressive.

1:36Jamelle Bouie:But the things that stuck out to me, I mean, the two big things that stuck out to me, the first was really the level of truly lurid and virulent racism, especially against Somali Americans. I think people have gotten desensitized to this kind of public performance of bigotry, and they shouldn't because it's truly extraordinary. It's not as if all American, past American presidents, or even most American presidents, have ever been racial egalitarians. But there is a recognition that public bigotry of that kind was just not acceptable. It's not a thing that was okay. because the president is supposed to represent all Americans and at best try to represent all Americans at their highest aspirations.

2:20Jamelle Bouie:And that gets to the second thing that was striking to me about the State of the Union, which is that there are no aspirations here. It's sort of the most base kind of emotions and attitudes and feelings, you know, a crude instinct to dominate others. And that's all that Trump has to offer to the public.

2:38David French:Okay, so he was supposed to be going in there to focus on the economy and make America feel like he understands their concerns. Now, he started off with a list, a laundry list of all the magical things he feels that he has done for the country, and that included some plans or moves he's made, although they were creatively spun, like how he has lifted so many people up off of food stamps, by which he means He has slashed the number of people who are receiving food stamps. So I'm not sure that even in that small chunk of time where he talked about the economy and economic achievements, that it would necessarily resonate with a public that clearly doesn't think that the economic problems have been solved.

3:30David French:And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that specific part of this, because that's so important to the party in November.

3:38Michelle Cottle:Yeah, this is a really important point. And I think it's something that, you know, both parties really, you know, they're doing what they only thing they can do when voters experiences are sour. So what Trump did is sort of boast about things in a completely false way to say, everything's better now, everything's great, but vote, you cannot lie your way out of voters actual experiences, right? So if voters are experiencing a job crunch, if they're experiencing higher prices and key goods and services that they want, if their interest rates aren't as low as they want, you can talk and boast all you want, and it's not going to land.

4:17And this is something the Democrats kind of learned in the 2024 race is that even though inflation had come way down, people were still behind where they'd been in 2018, 2019, et cetera, and sort of saying, here are the statistics.

4:31Michelle Cottle:Aren't they great? Yeah. wasn't effective to trump people's experiences. And now Trump is coming out and he's sort of, he's up the ante and saying, well, I'll make up statistics. I'll make things up and tell you how great everything is. But again, you just can't lie your way out of voters' actual experiences.

4:50David French:So Jamel, what do you think in terms of, you know, looking at the midterm, they know what he needs to do or they have a sense of what he needs to do. How did he approach?

5:02Jamelle Bouie:I mean, I don't think this was particularly successful. We have actually, you know, as David kind of alluded to, we have an example of a elderly declining president trying to tell people that things are good when they feel otherwise. Just a disaster. Didn't work out well for him. Yeah, it's just – so in fairness to lawmakers, I'll say, in fairness to people in politics, there is a bit of a conundrum here because macroeconomic indicators up until recently were showing a pretty strong American economy, right? Like something that was humming along. And even in the midst of that, even in the midst of sort of at least what appeared to be wage growth, what appeared to be high employment growth, people were still very dissatisfied.

5:47Jamelle Bouie:The vibe was off. People didn't feel as if they were living in a prosperous society, even though the indicators seem to say that they were. And that's sort of a, that's like a hard problem to solve. So that's me being fair to the political problem here. But the Trump administration and Donald Trump have done nothing to try to really reach people where they are, right? Like cutting food stamps, cutting ACA subsidies, like cutting direct assistance to people. recent analyses say that the tariffs have cost the typical american household about a thousand dollars that's like that's sort of the low end higher end the democratic minority in congress put out a report higher end around seventeen hundred dollars so somewhere between a thousand and seventeen hundred dollars between a little less than a hundred dollars a month and a little more than a hundred dollars a month americans have lost due to tariffs and that's like real money So the president going before the country and kind of trying to browbeat people into believing that things are all good, I don't think it's going to be very effective.

6:50Jamelle Bouie:And I actually want to make one just quick observation. It has been, it's 2026, we are 10 years removed, just about, from when we had a president who could deliver good to exceptional oratory. Neither Trump nor Biden, even young Biden, not a particularly good public speaker, neither Trump nor Biden have really that kind of rhetorical command. But we, you know, politics is rhetoric and we are living at a time when the high arts of rhetoric are just in such short supply.

7:29David French:Okay, we got to get to Texas next, but I want to jump on that because I am fascinated by that because one of the things that Trump's supporters have always sort of bragged about is that he speaks on a fourth grade level. And so I'm wondering how much of this is that we have dumbed down society to the point that, you know, if you talk at too high a level, you're just going to lose everybody who is going to think you're snooty or whatever. And Trump has absolutely kind of embraced this whole Democrats bad, I'm good, biggest, baddest ever, whatever. So I am fascinated by the idea of what would happen if we didn't have somebody who actually knew how to give a good old stem winder anymore.

8:19David French:I don't know. Would it play? It's a great question.

8:22Michelle Cottle:And I think we've always had a vulnerability to just the lowest common denominator politics. And, you know, I think for me, when I was growing up, if you watched the way people interacted with each other, the arguments and the conversations that they had, it was fundamentally different. And we just didn't know what we had when we had it. And it really is brought home to me when I teach undergrads. I one time asked some of my students to watch the 2012 first debate between Romney and Obama. And I can't remember if I've told this story before, but the overwhelming sentiment that these students took from it was I didn't realize they were friends or I didn't realize that, you know, like how civil this could be.

9:07Michelle Cottle:And I remember that 2012 first debate in particular is pretty tense.

9:10David French:Oh, yeah. But you look at it now, it's just fundamentally different.

9:14Michelle Cottle:And I know there are Republicans out there and he lost. Well, there are lots of examples of Republicans who won without being like Trump. So can we just dispense with the idea that that's the only way to win?

9:26David French:Well, it's interesting that you have brought up civility and integrity and character because that is indeed the perfect pivot to Texas. So in the Republican Senate primary, we are seeing very different political models fighting for the nomination down there. You know, I spent some time down there, go into various events, talking with people. Always a good time. Love it. What we're looking at right now, in the Senate race, a highly divisive MAGA warrior, State Attorney General Ken Paxton, who we have talked much about on this show because what perhaps defines him more than his politics is his huge pile of scandals that he carries around with him.

10:12David French:In this corner, we have Representative Wesley Hunt, a young, charismatic, conservative military vet who would be Texas's first Black senator. And over here, the four-term incumbent, John Cornyn, who is seen as too establishment and not nearly Trumpy enough by many in his party's base. So what kind of champion does the party need this cycle to keep Texas deep red, but also maybe to start moving the party into, dare we dream, a post-Trump era?

10:49Michelle Cottle:I am so all about this primary. This is such a, it is American national politics and our choice in a microcosm, right? With Ken Paxton, it might be fair to say that he could be the most corrupt politician in America, not named Donald Trump. It's quite possible. The charges against him. Look, there are personal friends of mine who used to work in his AG's office and quit in protest because of the conduct in this office. It was insiders. And when I tell you insiders, I'm not talking like squish Republicans or whatever, but like people are very thoughtful. Senior, hardcore staffers. Senior, very thoughtful, very conservative Texans said no.

11:36Michelle Cottle:I mean, he was impeached, almost convicted. And then you have John Cornyn, who I don't think anyone would call him a squish. I mean, there's some resentment that he signed onto a gun control bill, but he signed onto measures that were extremely popular, just extremely popular. And so the idea that John Cornyn is a squish and he needs to be supplanted by the most corrupt politician not named Donald Trump in America. It's absurd. And then I think with the Democrats, you almost have, it's like the platonic form of the choice. How do you fight Trumpism? Is it, you know, is it going to be the populist, pugilistic, you know, Jasmine Crockett, I'm going to kind of walk out there and punch you in the face rhetorically?

12:21Michelle Cottle:Or is it going to be like the walking TED talk, you know, James Tallarico?

12:25David French:A seminarian, no less.

12:27Michelle Cottle:I mean, yes, seminarian. They're very contrasting styles, very contrasting. And here's the interesting thing. If Ken Paxton wins, I think Tallarico could probably beat him. And I think Jasmine Crockett might be able to beat him. I think if Cornyn wins, then the dynamic shifts very dramatically. But it really is one of the, it's just what, which way, primary voter, which way? Which way? Jamel, what are you thinking?

12:56David French:Jim?

12:56Jamelle Bouie:Ultimately, what happens in the Texas Senate race in terms of who wins the actual Senate seat in November is going to be shaped by national conditions. If Trump is just hideously unpopular, if they've done something terrible and egregious that got national attention, then I would very much agree that even if it's Cornyn and Crockett, then I would say Jasmine Crockett has like a decent chance of winning that race. Just it's all national conditions. You raised this question, Michelle, of whether this race might chart a post-Trump course forward. And I've come to the view that first, as long as Donald Trump is alive, there will not be a post-Trump Republican Party.

13:40Jamelle Bouie:I think that he's like a gravity well and there's no real escaping. There's no real escaping his influence in that way. So I'm just not, I'm not certain that there is any way for a Republican to truly distance themselves from Trump, even in the interest of trying to win elections. And this gets back to our previous discussion, which is just what Republican primary voters seem to believe is necessary to win elections. And they seem to believe that what is necessary is a level of kind of aggression and contempt for decency that really does advantage a guy like Paxton.

14:24David French:So one of the things we're looking at with Texas in particular is how the party is holding on to or not holding on to the gains that it has made among Hispanic voters who make up about a third of the electorate in the state. So in 2024, with Trump on the ballot, we saw a significant shift of Latino men, specifically toward the GOP. Now that support seems to be slipping away. And again, it's always different when Trump is not on the ballot. And I know that I've done reporting at the border about the Republican Party trying to woo Latino voters up and down the ballots, you know, even in years when Trump wasn't there.

15:12David French:But observers in the state note that the Trump policies have not been all that Latino voters were hoping for. So one question in this race, what does the party do to stop the slippage among this demographic? Or is there anything?

15:31Jamelle Bouie:I don't think there's anything that can be done. So after the 2024 election and after Trump more or less replicated George W. Bush's 2004 performance with Latinos and even Black Americans, right, should have begun to reconstitute that Bush coalition. There was a lot of, I would say, crowing among Republicans. Like, oh, we are now this multiracial working class coalition. But it's important to sort of distinguish between an electoral coalition and a durable party coalition. A durable party coalition is pieced together through all kinds of moves, through all kinds of actions over time. So the Roosevelt FDR New Deal coalition wasn't just the 1932 election or the 1936 election.

16:25Jamelle Bouie:It was a product of the New Deal. It was a product of a set of policies, a set of political approaches that didn't just win votes, but that like binded a number of different communities and different groups of Americans to a particular political order. Trump was able to assemble an electoral coalition that put him over the top. But the administration equated that, equated that with having bound those voters to the political project. And that's not what happened. It could have happened. There was a path to do that. But what happened instead was operating under the assumption that the battle had been won, the Trump administration and the Republican allies in Congress just began to pursue every single ideological hobby horse and bugaboo that they have.

17:21Jamelle Bouie:And the result has been that this nascent coalition immediately began to fall apart, right? Because a bunch of these voters weren't voting for snatching grabs of brown people off the streets. They were voting for maybe another stimulus check. I mean, and the polling shows this. Among black voters, among Latino voters, among young voters, young men in particular, every gain Trump made in 2024 hasn't just reversed itself, but has gone basically fleeing in the other direction.

17:52Michelle Cottle:So, you know, when you think about the Trump coalition, you know, if you looked at the commercials that Trump was blanketing their waves with, they were inflation, the economy, too much immigration, just very mainstream messages. But if you went to the rallies, if you saw the rallies, it was wild, you know, just wild down every conspiracy rabbit hole you could imagine. And so the question was, who's going to govern, commercial Trump or rally Trump? Well, it wasn't even really a question. It was going to be rally Trump. And so you put the wildest, most extreme people in charge of some of the most delicate and important policies in the United States of America, and what you're going to see is you're going to see extremism and you're going to see brutality.

18:36Michelle Cottle:And when you combine extremism and brutality, especially when you overlay that with a reality that a lot of you know, Black and Hispanic Americans, depending on where they are in this country, can't feel like they can walk down the street without necessarily having a show me your papers moment. And even if they show their papers, can sometimes be seized anyway. And when you do that, you can't build a multiracial coalition around that. That is just not possible. He's taken a sledgehammer to his coalition literally from day one.

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19:10David French:Well, I had been wondering when you are focusing so much on low propensity voters. And obviously the Trump campaign went all in on whipping voters to the polls who don't like politics, who don't pay. I remember watching people from the campaign or related to the campaign going out and interviewing folks on college campuses. And you'd see these young guys in particular. They were just so excited about the vibe of this campaign. They were expecting it to be so much fun and whatever else got accomplished. It was it was just kind of this pro wrestling. Yeah, let's get out there and do this. Well, but Trump didn't get out there and do the things that people were really interested in with the economy.

19:57David French:And I do think to Jamel's point, if he had really dug in and made changes to how people's lives were going, then he could have kind of gotten more of a pass on some of his other crazy, you know, most extreme policies. But he didn't. He didn't deliver on what people cared about. And they see him focused on stuff that they're like, really, this is what we got? So you remove all those low propensity voters from the equation and suddenly you have a very different landscape. And I'm not sure that the party can do much to change that between now and November, is just my thought.

20:41Jamelle Bouie:I mean, the other thing is that these voters weren't voting for the Republican Party. They were voting for Donald Trump. And so if Donald Trump is not on the ballot, the electoral problem the Republican Party has always had in the age of Trump is this, that Trump has built a strange cult of personality around himself. People, people, the low-propensity voters come out in 2016, 2020, and 24 to vote for the Trump vibe. They don't know anything about what a Trump administration might look like. They're not, you know, I remember saying to people, you know, in the 2024, hey, you're not just voting for Donald Trump, you're voting for Stephen Miller.

21:19Jamelle Bouie:And these are people who don't care about this. It means nothing to them, right? They're voting for Trump, the fun uncle, or Trump, the star of The Apprentice.

21:28David French:The lively dancer.

21:29Jamelle Bouie:The lively dancer. They're voting for Trump, kind of the big, you know, it'd be funny to have a big joke in office, right? That's kind of the whole Trump deal. A big joke who is a good businessman or something.

21:39David French:And very manly. So manly.

21:40Jamelle Bouie:And somehow people think he's like very masculine. I find, I still find that very strange. But that's what they're voting for. And so the challenge for Republicans has always been to how can they convert people who vote for Trump into reliable Republicans? and they just haven't been able to do it. And so what happened was Democrats who have converted, activated, a bunch of high-propensity voters, college-educated voters, moderate to high-income voters, who would have voted for Republicans, who voted for George W. Bush, right? Who, if they're old enough, may have voted for Bob Dole. All the suburban moms.

22:17David French:So many suburban moms.

22:18Jamelle Bouie:People who would have voted for Republicans are like, I don't like all this chaos. You could call them anti-chaos voters. I don't like chaos. All I want to do is like make my money, raise my family, not have to think about this shit. Those people have started voting for Democrats. You have everywhere in the country these voters who just like don't – it's exhausting to have to pay attention to this stuff all the time. It's exhausting for us and this is our job. You know, the New York Times pays us money to do this.

22:47David French:And I'm still tired. I'm just still tired.

22:50Jamelle Bouie:We're all tired. We're tired of it, right? So if you're not being paid money to do it, I can imagine that it's very frustrating to experience. And I just don't – I don't see the Republican Party having any real strategy for dealing with that. All right.

23:07David French:So last thing before before we end this is so what message do you think is most useful for Democrats in this cycle? And in Texas, let me just say that we we focus on the top of the ticket. But as you know, my eternal hobby horse is that's not all that's at stake, especially this year where Trump has tried to rig the system to get himself more House votes. I think all up and down the ballot, you're fighting for something important in Texas. So I just want people to think about that. This is not just about one Senate race. But going forward, kind of what message do you think is most important for the Democratic Party in the cycle?

23:53Jamelle Bouie:I mean, I'm very much of the view that people should tailor messages to their particular states and communities and circumstances. But one thing that does seem to resonate, in part because it kind of reflects the two sides of where Trump has become very unpopular, is—and I saw Ruben Gallego on CNN or something a couple days ago say something to the effect of they took$75 billion from Medicaid to give to ICE, right? So I think that actually is the message. It's both people are angry about the health care cuts. They're angry about the ways that the administration has been kind of indifferent to their material circumstance.

24:28Jamelle Bouie:And they don't like ICE agents shooting people in the streets. So that to me is the message, like the broad generic message that would probably resonate in every single congressional district in the country. They took$75 billion from Medicaid to give to ICE. and to give to people who are violating your rights.

24:48David French:All right, David.

24:49Michelle Cottle:Okay, so have y 'all seen the Netflix movie, The Rip? Ben Affleck, Matt Damon.

24:57David French:Yes. Really did. Yes, I did.

24:59Michelle Cottle:Highly recommend. Remember how Matt Damon has the two tattoos, which are acronyms for Are We the Good Guys? And We Are and We Always Will Be. It's a cool part of the movie. Yep. But I'm thinking of different tattoos, Michelle. So I'm thinking on the left hand, the Democrats should have STM, stop the madness. And on the right hand, it should be F-O-Y, focus on you. So there are the two elements here. We have to stop the madness, stop Trump from wrecking our society, wrecking the Constitution, so that we can do what both parties should have been doing for a long time, which is F-O-Y, focus on you.

25:42Michelle Cottle:So I think of it that way. It's two things at once. And I feel like the stop the madness pulls in both the sort of, you know, Tallarico, super polished mainstream Democrat and the more pugilistic Jasmine Crockett. Because to stop the madness, you got to be somewhat pugilistic. You're going to have to, you know, stand up. You're going to have to have courage to stop the madness. But it's got to be also focused on you because we've got to break out of this thermostatic cycle where everybody's being elected every two to four years to stop the other side. And so who's going to break this logjam, stop the other side, and then actually deliver?

26:22Michelle Cottle:That's going to be the person who starts to deliver an enduring coalition, an enduring governing structure.

26:29David French:Yeah, that's that strikes me as right. And it's what I've heard from Democratic lawmakers, including Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, which is that you've got to connect those dots between the issues that are keeping people up at night and kind of the chaos and madness and corruption of the current administration, which is that because they're doing X, your health care costs more. Your schools are worse. Your, you know, housing is more unstable.

27:07Jamelle Bouie:They did illegal tariffs. And now if there are refunds, you're not going to get them back. You're not going to get them back. You'll never see that money again.

27:13David French:The tariff thing I find fascinating, because as we've talked about, people don't pay a lot of attention to economic details and policies and macro trends. But at some point in time, and tariffs can be complicated, right? Trump, it's not entirely clear that Trump understands tariffs a lot of the time.

27:28Jamelle Bouie:He doesn't know what they are.

27:30David French:But the American people at some point decided they really hate tariffs. If you look in the polls and that's it, it doesn't matter what Trump says, which is why it's fascinating and probably gave a few Republican lawmakers a migraine that he just drilled down on that during the State of the Union and intends to just keep doubling and tripling down. I'd like to land this plane there so that we can get time for everyone's favorite piece of the show. And you know what that is. Recommendations. Jamil, go first. What do I need to know?

28:02Jamelle Bouie:Sure thing. This has been the theme for my recommendations this month. Just like watching, you know, Black history movies, movies from Black directors, movies about subjects related to Black history. So I watched the 2021 documentary MLK FBI, which is more or less about the FBI's long surveillance of MLK during his life. It's fascinating stuff. has a lot of great commentary from historians and people who knew King who are still living. So I really, I really recommend it. And you can actually do a double feature with another documentary that's a little older than that, 2018, called King in the Wilderness, which is about King's last years alive, sort of the year 66 to 68.

28:43Jamelle Bouie:So both two great documentaries on, you know, maybe the darker parts of King's experience and King's life during those years. And I also read a book by the historian Thomas Ricks waging a good war about the civil rights movement. And one of the things I've taken away from this kind of somewhat immersion in all of this is just how extraordinary that struggle was, the people involved in that struggle. And how I do think that in addition to how our national mythologizing of the movement and its participants kind of sands away the radicalism, I think it also sands away the really extraordinary heroism at great cost to health and lives.

29:29Jamelle Bouie:And, you know, many, many movement veterans did not go on to live long lives because of the stress they endured in those years. So worth watching. Excellent. Affirmative documentaries. is and worth just thinking about the period less in terms of, again, mythology and more in terms of like the level of not just organization and dedication, but like internal strength it took to stand against an entire social system.

29:57Michelle Cottle:All right, David. Okay, so Jamel really should have gone after me because I'm going to be so trite compared to that. I'm here for it. You know I'm here for it. Okay. So, one of the great things about every new year is you restart the nerd cycle.

30:15David French:Oh, no.

30:16Michelle Cottle:Which means that, you know, you have a series of fantasy and sci-fi, new seasons, new series that restart every year. And, like, for those of us who ride that nerd cycle with Glee, there was much anticipation and nervousness about this new Game of Thrones show, Night of the Seven Kingdoms. and it freaking delivers. I'm still not caught up with the finale, so don't say anything, listeners. But it's really good, and this is going to be weird to say in connection with anything related to Game of Thrones, but this actually has lots of moments of delight and fun. It's a fun show to watch. Now, it's still Game of Thrones.

30:56Michelle Cottle:It's still HBO. Some people might have to avert their eyes at some points, but it is... There is blood. Very well done. There's lots of blood. There is lots of blood. and the two lead actors.

31:07David French:I've been to the whole thing. So I'm not going to say anything. You're behind.

31:10Michelle Cottle:And the two main actors, Duncan the Tall and Egg, are just great. They're just great together. And how old is the child actor?

31:20David French:I don't know, but a great kid performance is hard. And this is a very good kid performance, I have to say. Yes, absolutely.

31:26Michelle Cottle:All right, Michelle, I'm glad you're picking up what I'm laying down. Okay.

31:29David French:Absolutely. I'm going to go with a book. I picked up There Is No Place For Us, which is a book about The Working Homeless by Brian Goldstone. And what it does is it charts five families living in Atlanta. We're talking about COVID era, so very contemporary. And it's just kind of looking at this very particular subset, the subculture of people who, they're not like on the street, Like you think of when you talk about the homeless population, it's more like people who like couch surf from relatives' floors to sometimes they're in their cars. But a lot of times they're at these extended stay hotels, which is just another way to exploit the poor and working class.

32:18David French:And I actually had a friend who passed away a couple of years ago, but like her family got caught in this cycle with these extended stay hotels. And it's really appalling, but they paint this with so much compassion and just the different families all have these different challenges that they're working with. And I'm only about halfway through. So already, I think, highly recommend.

32:46Michelle Cottle:So both of you guys, justice, mercy, courage, sacrifice, me, swords, dragons. Oh, man.

32:57David French:That has to be a piece of this, David. You have to have swords.

33:01Michelle Cottle:You got to have swords. And an occasional dragon. Occasional dragon.

33:05David French:And the occasional dragon. I have questions. We'll talk about these offline about the Targaryens in this, but we're going to say goodbye for the week. Thank you so much, as always, for helping me solve the world's troubles.

33:17Michelle Cottle:Always a pleasure. Thanks, Michelle.

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The Texas Senate primary is three days away, and it’s a high-stakes race. With President Trump slumping in the polls and voters disenchanted with his handling of the economy, Democrats could have a shot at this traditionally Republican state. For this week’s round table, Opinion’s national politics writer Michelle Cottle joins the columnists Jamelle Bouie and David French to discuss Trump’s ineffective State of the Union address, what to expect on Tuesday and what the races reveal about the challenges facing both parties.

Thoughts? Email us at theopinions@nytimes.com.

This episode of “The Opinions” was produced by Derek Arthur. It was edited by Kaari Pitkin, Alison Bruzek and Jillian Weinberger. Mixing by Carole Sabouraud. Video editing by Lisa Angell. The postproduction manager is Mike Puretz. Original music by Pat McCusker, Carole Sabouraud and Aman Sahota. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta and Kristina Samulewski. The director of Opinion Video is Jonah M. Kessel. The deputy director of Opinion Shows is Alison Bruzek. The director of Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Aaron Retica.


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