PMS 2.0 1379 - Tyrese Haliburton LIVE In The ThunderDome, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

18:41Pat McAfee:He was just kind of you in there. Giannis is so happy. And then obviously that whole thing happens. And him back in the building, when he came back in the building, when he was up in that suite, what a moment. Good for him. He loves you, man. Like he is a super supportive, phenomenal father, I think is how I would view it all. For you, how was that entire process? That had to be a pretty interesting deal, especially now that I know your dad a little bit better. Like that had to be an awesome, but also hilarious and absurd thing to kind of go through with the league, the team, and your dad, and the NBA playoffs all at the same time.

19:18Yeah, yeah. That was definitely, you know, it's definitely unfortunate that that happened, you know, and he feels bad about it, and he's apologized many times for it. And, you know, for me, I wanted to be on the right side of things, and I understand that, you know, he shouldn't have done that. So right away I have to go in media and say that my dad is wrong, which he was, but people know, people who are in my position, to have to go in front of the world and say, hey, my dad is wrong, that's not easy to do, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I go out there, I say it. So now I'm like, all right, it's done.

19:52I said it, let's move on. Everybody move on. So then I get up for breakfast in the morning, I turn on the television, and people are up there, this man should never come to a basketball game again. Ever again. I'm like, what? Have we lost our minds? Lifetime management. Yeah, people, you know, it got dragged. It got dragged. And so for me, it wasn't something that I wanted to keep the conversation around, right? We were moving on. Next series. Let's keep it. And you know how sports media is sometimes, especially with a team like us, the Pacers. Anything that we could do to not talk about basketball, let's figure out a way.

20:24So we don't have to talk about the fact that the Pacers won the series. And hey, they're a good basketball team. Nah. John Helleburn should never touch the court again.

20:35Pat McAfee:that's hilarious angle for you to be like oh of course we don't want to talk about what we just did and we just ran a team off court again and just like we did last year's and coach carlisle has all the chess pieces and we're all moving perfectly we're playing phenomenal basketball right now and you if you've been paying attention since the all-star break we've been doing this like this is kind of how this whole thing has went us and okc have been the two best teams in the nba cleveland as well but obviously that was early i really exit for them against you guys It's like, I appreciate the fact that you all were watching being like, how come they won't just talk about us just being good at basketball?

21:06Pat McAfee:Like, this is the NBA. You took a lot of verbal abuse from sports media. We try to go to bat as much as we could for you, but it comes with the position you're in. You understand that. You absolutely understand that. No, I appreciate you guys doing that. I appreciate you guys doing that. You are actual friend of program. Okay. And we're very thankful you're in our city. Like, very thankful that you're in this state. You represent the city and stay well. and the Pacers have now gone to a place that I didn't get a chance to experience in Indianapolis. I don't think a lot of people have in a long, long time.

21:35Pat McAfee:What was it? How many days? It was a ridiculous amount of days since the last finals game was hosted in Indiana or whatever. So it's like you've brought a lot of happiness to this place, but you've also represented the city very well. So I'm your biggest fan. I think you're a superstar, man. Yeah. Oh, man. I think you may be a superstar. Don't look now. D-Bud has a question for you. Yeah, what was – obviously that was a big part of the conversation, the superstar part of it, but I think bigger than that for you, especially been such a team player what was it like being on the biggest stage in basketball making it to the finals pretty dominant run in my opinion to get to the NBA finals going up against a great team in OKC but what was that like I know you weren't as active on social media but did you feel like more pressure or bigger light like what was that stage like for you well I definitely think it's it's easy to feel to feel that you know because everything is bigger like you have to instead of flying in the night before the game and just treating it like a game We have to apply in two days before.

22:27We have to have practice so that media can be in there for 30 minutes. We have to do extensive media and all those different things. So I think that the league and the world does a great job of already making it such a big event that there's no need for us as players to put more pressure on it. Now, obviously, we understand it's the NBA Finals. You know what I mean? I don't think there needs to be any more pressure than that. But, yeah, you definitely felt it. And I think game three coming back here was like the craziest home environment I've ever played in. And honestly, game seven in OKC, probably the craziest road environment I've ever played in.

23:03Right. So you felt that and you felt the weight of those games. And I think for them as a franchise, us a franchise, you know, both whoever was going to win the series, it was going to be our first NBA championship. So I think that all the fans got behind it. So it was really cool to see, you know, kind of two smaller markets be in that in that situation. And I think all our fans, our fans and their fans rallied behind our teams. And I think that just made it a lot of fun.

23:25Pat McAfee:It was a wonderful ratings for the finals as a whole. We're up 10%, which is huge. Shane Gillis said that everybody that was sitting around SGA at the ESPYs was in foul trouble. Now, that is obviously a joke because that is the conversation about the finals and basically the entire playoff series. He was unbelievable to watch. I actually got a chance to talk to him in a hotel in L.A. I come down over Pop out He's right there to the left behind somebody And I saw him And I go Literally stare at him for like Five seconds, dead stare He had to feel so awkward I think he knew who I was And I said Could you have fucking missed?

24:08Pat McAfee:That would have been cool And then I just walked away I don't think he ever missed You said it to Jalen Williams in the elevator as well Yeah, yeah. I don't think they missed. Did you guys feel that whenever you were playing against it? Because they were the best defense in the NBA, is what everybody said. Coming in, they're the best defense in the NBA, the best defense in the NBA. You guys had the most amount of series, I don't know, possessions, what the fuck you guys call it? Possessions? Yeah. That's what they call it in football too. Yeah, but they're different. I didn't know if you guys were able to use the word series.

24:35It's called the possession. Yeah, okay.

24:37Pat McAfee:You guys had the most amount of possessions, they had the best defense. That was a conversation. Then quickly watching, it's like, this guy never misses. This SGA guy never misses. And then the entire team kind of caught on to that. They were kind of playing the same exact way. At that level, I assume, to make it to the finals, you have to have an absurd offense. Did you expect them to be as good offensively as they were? And is SGA the best point getter right now on earth? Yeah, for sure. I mean, we definitely expected that. They're the best team in the NBA. They were the best team in the NBA all year.

25:05Pat McAfee:Yeah, but it was the defense. Remember, all they were saying is like defense, defense, defense. Yeah, but they got – and Shea's the MVP for a reason. So you got – I mean – What does he do? Does he do things that are different, or is it just like he just takes care of the... Well, I think that from like, he can get pain touches at an elite level. Does a great job of using like, he doesn't come across stature-wise. He's not like this big bulky guy, but he does a great job. He gets to his spots, can score all three levels. He's MVP for a reason. I mean, the season he put together, you know, one of the greatest seasons in NBA history.

25:38Pat McAfee:On a contract year. Yeah, fire. I mean, that is... Beast. Good for him. That was stories about what he did last year. And then he dresses like Frank Lucas suit at that damn Espy. That shit was clean. So clean. That was clean. Hands in the coat, too, while walking in. Middle of summer. Coolest dude in the room. Never seen it. Connor has a question for you, Tyrese. Yeah, Tyrese. First of all, too, you probably didn't see it because you're not on social media as much. And we've talked about how you're our guy. Watching throughout the playoffs, kind of the world experience, the Halberdn show is sweet.

26:08Because you had a buzzer beater every series. And early, it's like, okay, it's round one. Not as many people care. Then the Cavs series happens. Sick because they're the one seed. Everything's happening. Then the garden choke happens. Well, Cavs too. Cavs, yeah. You had the big ball dancing. Then you had the choke in the garden game one. Then you had the buzzer beater in the final. So, like, as a fan of yours, not the Pacers, but a fan of yours, watching everybody. Pacers are a good team. Pacers are a great team, and they were a fun one. Took care of us. Yeah, yeah. But watching, you know, everyone in the world realize you were, like that guy was sweet to watch so i hope i hope you felt that at some point during this terrible terrible you got your flowers yeah you got all fire people do love you um with that being said miles turner doesn't love you uh pascal siakam uh was great all you know playoffs for you guys and that was kind of the whole reason the superstar thing was happening was because pascal siakam you know was doing so much and playing so well great to have him here next year that's huge not having miles turner kind of a bummer this will be the first time you know it's in what 10 11 years he won't be playing for the pacers how has that kind of been this off season watching the moves miles goes to the milwaukee you know obviously like i said i'm not a pacers fan but the pacers fans i do know are big fans of milwaukee there's kind of that little bit of there's a beef there you know obviously we've all seen it the last few years and then uh kind of him leaving how is that kind of sitting with the entire pacers team yeah i mean uh obviously since i've gotten here and just for the last whatever 10 years.

27:35Miles' name has been synonymous with our organization. He's done a lot here. I think that people have really taken a liking to Miles. He's done some great things, been a part of some great groups. But I think at the end of the day, it is a business. He's got to do what's best for him and wish him the best moving forward. My focus is now on the guys that we have here and getting better here. But yeah, wish him the best moving forward.

27:59Pat McAfee:He's done a lot for the Indianapolis community. He's been here a long time with the Pacers for a long time. obviously ushered in this new era of the Pacers to have a lot of success. I thought he gave a great speech. What was that? Eastern Conference Finals. Gave a great speech. I thought it was fantastic. The way the entire contract negotiation thing has been talked about publicly is something along the lines of like they offered, he found another offer, didn't offer it up for the Pacers to match it, took the deal before that. Whatever the case, it's like Miles was great here for 10 years. We appreciate him and his service.

28:31Pat McAfee:Got him out of Texas. There was a lot of ups and downs with the Pacers. Ended getting to the finals, and now he's making$20-plus million in his 11th year, whatever it is. It's like, congrats to Miles. But everything he says, they're getting clipped and saying, did you hear him say, didn't feel that good? Did you hear him say, some people are going to be happy? It's fascinating when he gets to the top, man. People are going to pick apart everything. That's where you guys are. And you're not even there for a year. Have you thought about that? How are you going to spend a year? You said it earlier.

28:59Pat McAfee:You said, now that I'm not, everybody's in offseason, and it hasn't really been the weight of everything. Next year, pretty similar team, right? Am I wrong on that? Pretty similar team. Pascal's back. TJ's back. Call up Furphy. Yeah, Furphy. Going crazy. Crazy. That was wild. Poor guy, the other guy. Oh, man. Poor guy. The picture's crazy. Yeah, the picture. Yeah, man, that's poor. That's Summer League, too. He doesn't know fully yet what the life is. He doesn't know Furphy is first team All-NBA next year. Yeah, he had milk checked real quick. No chance this is going to happen. And then Furphy was like, actually, let me go for that.

29:37Pat McAfee:Him undertaker in his eyes. That was unbelievable. Under his armpit. Yeah, I felt bad for that guy. Me too. But hey, when you're trying to block something, when you live in a pain every once in a while, you're going to get done. That happens. That is going to happen. But great relationships, I assume. It's not going to be like a brand new team. What are you going to be able to do? Have you even talked about what you're going to be able to do with the team next year? How it's going to go? what's the season look like? Because I don't know if, it's pretty normal in your sport, it seems like. Yeah, he's going to miss the entire season next year.

30:05Pat McAfee:They said like the next day. I'm like, holy shit, the whole season? They're like, start doing the math. When everything starts here, you're going to miss the whole season. Have you started putting together a plan like how to handle season or you guys just kind of focus, you said today driven, but is there a long-term plan on how this whole thing works and kind of how it's going to go for you if all works out to schedule? Yeah, I mean, I haven't really even thought about what the season will call for. I mean, I probably won't be traveling as much early in the year, you know, depending on stage of rehab I'm in.

30:33But I still want to be around the guys as much as possible. I think I want to take this time to just keep growing my mind for the game, you know, be around Coach Carlisle, sitting on, you know, Coach's meetings. Pritchard? Pritchard, yeah. Seeing what he's looking for. Yeah, just seeing what, you know, talking to those guys and helping at the same time. I feel like I have a pretty decent basketball mind myself. So just trying to help the guys the best way I can. I'm going to be on the bench once I can walk, you know, standing up, celebrating, cheering for the guys. So, yeah, I'll still be, you know, there for the majority of things.

31:05Pat McAfee:At least put you up in that suite that you kind of have taken ownership of for the fever game. What's the timeline for that, for you to get back on your feet, for you to ditch the scooter and be able to, you know, be weight-bearing on that foot? Yeah, well, today is four weeks after surgery. Yesterday. I think at – oh, yeah, yesterday. Sorry. Sorry, you just told me that two minutes. Yeah, my fault. So, I just started – Hey, don't worry. You just worry about today. Every day, you just worry about – Yeah, don't worry about anything. Yesterday, I just started putting 50 % body weight with crutches.

31:32So by about like seven, eight weeks, I should be walking in a boot, no scooter. So yeah, I can't wait for that moment. You know, you take for granted the little things. Yes, you do. You know what I mean? Like going to the kitchen counter to grab breakfast, and you grab your orange juice all at one time. But now it's like, got to go one time to get the plate, one time to get the orange juice. Ah, forgot the syrup. One time to go get the syrup. Fork. Forgot a fork. Got to go back and get the fork.

31:57Pat McAfee:Especially Supermax deal, new house. You're getting miles on those wheels. Yeah, definitely. That's a big kitchen. They need a gas station. That's a big, good horror floor. Maybe it's tile. How are you on that rig? You feel pretty good on it? I feel like I'm pretty good. I probably had two near falls. I haven't fell yet, so that's a plus. It's easy to fall. I saw you rolling around the WNBA All-Star game. You looked real comfy. Yeah, I felt good. Real kick push operation. Felt good. Felt good. Can't walk, so that's mine. I will tell you, though, after I got hurt, I was on the ground. I was like, let me walk.

32:31Kobe walked. I'm walking. So when I got up and went to take a step, there was no chance. Help me, help me, help me. There was no chance. I'm not doing it. I was like, don't touch me. I'm going to walk. And when I went to move my leg, it's like dead weight on the end of your leg. So it's like the fact that Kobe shot a free throw and walked off is unbelievable. That's that Mamba mentality. It's unbelievable.

32:52Pat McAfee:There's a book, a movie, a whole thing. And certain guys have walked off. When I went to take a step, that's when the guys threw the towel over me because my face was just like, I couldn't believe what was actually happening in the moment. I mean, obviously not great at the moment in this situation. But the thought of you running through your head, what would Kobe do? Kobe did actually walk off this thing. Don't touch me. Touch me. There's no chance. Help me now. Oh, man. Yeah, it was sad. But if you weren't – everybody that was watching just – I don't know what all the different – Ruin the game.

33:28Pat McAfee:Heart drop, stomach sickness. I mean, you name it. The whole thing as it was happening. So bummed out. Now, head lead at half. Yeah. It's like hold the phone. This one's for Tyrese. This one's going to be a good one. And then obviously what happened was Oklahoma City did what Oklahoma City does. Of course, in the second half and it becomes what it is. But we were all sick, dude. Everybody. Still am. Yeah. That's not how it's supposed to go. No, it's not. Especially when you're going to score 60 points in a game seven. It might have been more than that. Yeah, the hoop was looking this big. Yeah.

33:53Pat McAfee:Because you said you were feeling healthy, didn't feel any pain. Big hoop that day. It was a huge hoop. Game seven, I was excited. It was going to be fun. Ty has a question for you, Tyrese. We talked a lot about the media portion of it, and obviously you took a lot of heat. Did anyone come up to you post-finals, I mean before this, obviously, and talk about you being the most overrated player and just being like, hey, that's complete bullshit. I don't know how that got out. because anytime we talk to an athlete, it's like the talking heads can say whatever they want, but if you have the respect from your peers, that's all that matters.

34:26And then obviously you go on that run in the playoffs and have all those game winners, and it's like, yeah, this guy's a bona fide superstar. Did anyone say anything to you about that? And how did you kind of just – I mean, obviously you're not too worried about that because the proof's in the pudding with what I'm doing on the court. But what was that whole situation like as that was continued to be talked about while you were going on a generational run in the playoffs? I think it came out towards the end of the season. I think it was pretty funny. All my boys just joking with me about it, texting me all the time, just talking shit.

35:01I've come to be the guy who just used everything as fuel, so that was just the fun within it. I think as the playoffs were going on, that was more opportunities for my teammates to talk crazy to people and people who support me. So I think that was a great narrative that got added to what we were doing. I think that just added more fuel to the fire as a group. And I think the cool part about our group was I think that everybody kind of received that as like an indictment on them as well. Like my teammates, guys around me like, okay, well, if you think that guy is overrated and he's like one of our guys, what do you feel about us?

35:38You know, I think as collectively we all kind of shared that sentiment and felt that way. So that was another thing for us to gather around with. So I think it was pretty cool. I have not spoken about it or looked at or thought about it since, but I wonder who's going to be the guy voted on it next year. Maybe it'll still be me. Maybe I'll be in a boot and still get voted number one.

35:56Pat McAfee:That'd be cool. That'd be cool. I mean, you got to – yeah, I wonder how you would be able to be the most overrated guy while in a boot. Oh, he's so good? Then why is he playing? Why is he playing? Yeah, you're right. He's got one Achilles. I can't even dribble a ball and stand up right now. Don't want to hear it. When will you shoot through this entire process? Yeah, yeah, yeah. As soon as I get back on the court, I'm back on the court. I don't know when that will be. Yeah, but like, so football-wise, if guys have lower bodies, they're usually working out around it. Oh, yeah, I started lifting two weeks ago, upper body.

36:26First time? I'm in a hoodie, you can't tell. I'm in a hoodie, you can't tell. But I'm jacked under this hoodie.

36:31Pat McAfee:Really? Yep. Bulking season. Are you shooting too or no? No, no, no, no. So you want to like sit down? I probably touched a basketball, like felt one in my hands probably like two times since the game was over. Welcome to three. Boy, do I got good news for you. Look at that. I feel just like it used to. Yeah, my hands still work. I don't know if that is an actual ball or not. We might have bought that from DoorDash or something like that. Shoot it. How's the Puma deal going? Puma deal's going great. We debuted the shoe in the finals, hit a game winner, first game in them. Pretty good. Yeah. That was exciting.

37:04Obviously, this season I won't be able to wear them on the court a ton. But there's some other guys with Puma, so I'm excited for them to be wearing them. I'll wear them on the sideline. I'm sure you guys will all get sent a pair. I'm excited about it. Maybe a casual shoe since you're not playing. Yeah, a loafer, if you will. Maybe use the Hallie 1 as your casual shoe. Who knows?

37:26Pat McAfee:You shouldn't be using the Hallie 1s as your grass cutters. I've got to mow the lawn on Saturday. Yeah, you need to send us. You buy them. It's your property at that point. Yeah, but I'm just saying I don't want to disrespect the Halley ones. Maybe we'll get the Halley Mo's. Maybe you got a Halley one for cutting the grass. You got a Halley one for doing the show, and you got a Halley one for being on the court. Maybe some Halley Sheltoe, Halley Canvas. Halley Sheltoe. Maybe just make the eclipses and put a Puma thing on them. That's what you need to do. You love the eclipses, bro. Everybody does, and they stop making them.

37:58Pat McAfee:I have no idea why. I've reached out to the Jordan people saying you need to keep making these. What are we doing? That's your problem. Maybe you just need to get some Puma suede. You told me you like the suede. I don't mind the suede. You guys just need to take the eclipses and just put the Puma on there. I got some other kicks we can get you to try out and see if you like. I went through a Puma run. I think the whole world went through a Puma run there. I respect the shoe game, what they have going on. The little racing ones. Went is past tense. Went is past tense. Yeah, but everything's coming back.

38:26Pat McAfee:There we go. Especially if you're pushing. If you're pushing it out, I'll be back. Look, I'm wearing them right now. Yeah, those look good. They are clean. Those look good. They comfy? They are comfy. And I got a couple blisters around my shit, too, from walking 18 holes. And these shoes feel great. They look good. They look good on your feet. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, of course. These are my friend's shoes. Yeah, that's tough. The new Tatums, though. What's that? The new Tatums. We pulled them up. Those shoes are fantastic as well. I have nothing bad to say about Jason Tatum. It's my guy.

38:56I love him. Are you guys talking? Yeah, we've been talking, of course We're going through the same thing

39:00Pat McAfee:What are your hobbies right now? You're going to every WNBA event Every WNBA event You have that suite, we saw that You're playing games, you're playing video games A lot of video games A lot of WWE, Call of Duty How's that going? It's going good Me and my little brother are bringing back our Twitch and our YouTube soon Let's go! Tell me about that The Halley bros? Halley bros, yeah Because I was fighting the Halley name for so long I was like, don't call me that. Don't like it. Why? I don't know. Because I got to the NBA and they started calling me that. And I was like, I've never been called that.

39:32That's not your name. You've never been called that? No.

39:35Pat McAfee:What's wrong with Wisconsin? Then I got to Sacramento. Honestly, we'll give the people of Sacramento the credit for that. Because, you know, they say like hella a lot. And then I think they just liked Hallie and it was close to hella. And they started using Hallie. And I was like, I tweeted like, please don't call me that. And then I embraced it. That works. Yeah. Yeah. Telling people not to do something. Yeah, that didn't work at all. That didn't work at all. And then when we were naming my shoe, they were like, you want to call it the Tyrese one, the Reese one, the Ty one. And I was like, listen, it doesn't matter what we call it.

40:06They're going to call him the Halle, so let's just roll with it. So now I'm just, I'm cool with Halle.

40:12Pat McAfee:That's a good executive decision. No, you grew up in Wisconsin? Yeah. Not a single person said, what up, Halle? No. Name's Halliburton? No. In Wisconsin these days, they say many different things to me. not positive things. What type of things? Not very positive things. What do you mean? They say your cheese isn't good? No. No, they wouldn't say that. They won't let it go over anymore. It's mostly the people in Wisconsin who have bad things to say to me. Yeah, but those aren't your people anyways, right? Because don't you do like a weekly haliband thing with all your fans? A what? The haliband.

40:48Pat McAfee:It's a band. There's a guitar player. and a drummer haliband we're halibanding together that's what you meant right the halibanners they're all on the same team they're all talking like the commanders, the halibanders yeah like a band I haven't seen that now there's a drummer in the back

41:14Pat McAfee:the haliband the band I love live instruments, love live music Do you play music? No, not at all. Maybe I'll pick it up. You know, I did buy a DJ. I bought a turntable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to learn how to do that during my rehab. I used to get Diplo to play some of that EDM. What did you think of the WNBA? Stubbugs weren't rocking with that. Stubbugs were not rocking. We need a little boom-boom in this thing. Turn this off. WNBA weekend was awesome. We came out here and said that because it was in our city and we got a chance to see it. And it seems like every player really enjoyed their time in Indianapolis.

41:46Pat McAfee:I would say the WNBA appeared to have the most fun out of all the All-Stars. The MLB All-Stars, congratulations. You're being recognized as one of the greats of the game. Now you've got to work for four straight days here. That's what the MLB is. I mean, that is not a lot of rest. Don't get a vacation after those four days. No, you're right back. You're starting on Thursday. So the MLB one is wild, watching their schedule, and we're very thankful for them doing that in the dong-off that they had. both in the game and the Home Run Derby were fantastic. The NBA All-Star break, you guys get like a week, right?

42:22Pat McAfee:And it kind of, it's like a week? Something like that, yeah. I think, yeah, because we go. How are you guys going to fix the All-Star thing? Are you going to have the stud buds just stream the entire week? Fix the All-Star thing. What does that mean? They fixed it. They got the USA World. No. Oh, yeah, that's going to be good. You guys are going to care, right? No. You don't care? Yeah, they don't care. I care. USA! USA! USA! You don't care? I love this country. I love America. I competed in the Olympics. I was there. You were? USA across the chest. Yeah, gold medal. Yeah. Always will. I don't care about those games.

42:54Okay, so. A lot.

42:56Pat McAfee:I don't know what you're saying right now. Tell the truth. I think he's telling a hell of a lie. I don't think it matters because we're going to roll out Cooper Flagg and all the rookies and be like, hey. And does it matter? I'm not playing. I won't be in the game. Oh, that's right. You're out. No matter what, so. Going to need you more than ever. Yeah, we need your coach. I wish the best for the USA team. Do you think we could potentially bring a dad out here to maybe win some people some money, maybe a donation or something? Let's do it. Love that. Wait, wait, how's he going to do that? Well, he's going to come out right here, and I'm going to have this microphone, and I'm going to go down there and talk to him.

43:28Pat McAfee:John, John, if you could make your way into the Thunderdome, please, sir. Might be eating. The mashed potatoes. We ordered him a bucket of mashed potatoes. He cleaned those things off. He's probably sitting on his phone right now. Drink it with a straw. What is Bill wearing? I'm assuming your dad's talking to the president or something honestly you think so? President what? President Puma they're delayed 35-40 seconds in there ladies and gentlemen without further ado a man who certainly caused a little bit of chaos a man who is synonymous with being an electric factory ladies and gentlemen John Hallberg Yeah!

44:10Pat McAfee:O-T-Triple-O-G! Yes, yes, this is... Yes! Prozone.

44:19Pat McAfee:John, how you doing? Which putter do you want? I'll let you select it. Which camera do we have here? We have this one right here. John, how you doing? Thank you for coming around. That camera right up there on top of that brick thing. Do you have anything to say to the world? Yeah, here I go. Here he go. Here he go. Here I go. Here he go. Here John Halliburton go. Now, I will say the way this came about is there was quite a loud yell happening from this putting green earlier today when we were all sitting in the other room over there. That yell came from one John Halliburton. He was burying putts.

44:54Pat McAfee:So I said, would you be willing to do this for maybe some money for some people or maybe a charity? And I said, if you were to make it, it would be abnormal. A lot of people miss these things. Oh, yeah. He said, I don't miss. I don't miss. John, do you want to roll this way? Do you want to putt this way? Which way do you want to go? I'm coming down. Okay, all right, all right, all right. We'll do this. He's switching it up. This is where he was earlier. We'll give you six balls here. Six balls. You'll have to make three of them. Three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He made, yes, yes. Three is a lot. Three is a lot.

45:26Three is a lot. No, he made three in a row earlier. He said he's been practicing.

45:30Pat McAfee:Hold on, John. Does he not put his feet? I was going to say. John, are you a golfer? Not at all. Are you a putt-putt guy, though? I can do that. Okay, so you'll go on to a nice putt-putt date, maybe have a good night, maybe a little ice cream, maybe a little drinks, bury some putts, talk some shit to the kids. Forget about the drink, forget about talking all the smoke to the kids, but the ice cream, I can do. Oh, yeah, you've never drank, never smoked, never swore. Nope, not at all. If I'm telling the story accurately, whenever you and I chatted about the entire scene, whenever it was said that you cussed or cursed, that was the one that you were most upset about, right?

46:04Yes, because I don't do that. and to tell people that I did something like that, no, I'm not with that.

46:09Pat McAfee:Heat of the moment, a lot of noise, though. Everybody could have been confused, but I do appreciate and respect the fact that you were like, I didn't swear, I don't swear, I've never sworn, but I can talk shit better than you. Oh, I can do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, we know you can. Tyrese, anything to say to your dad here before he tries to win 30 people,$500, and a$10 ,000 donation to a charity of your choice, Tyrese? Maybe Achilles for good. whatever the case. We will figure that out. So this is$25 ,000. The Achilles factory. We'll donate to a charity. $25 ,000 here. 30 people, $500. That's$15 ,000 going to somebody.

46:47Pat McAfee:And then$10 ,000 donations,$25 ,000 here, John. You think that's putting pressure on me or something? A little bit of heat, John. Never felt it. How were the mashed potatoes? The mashed potatoes was great. Oh, yeah. You got to have those. Those good, they stick to your bones. Amen. And every restaurant you go to, doesn't matter if it's a five-star Steakhouse or an Applebee's, you're ordering dino nugs and mashed potatoes. Mashed potatoes. What about the dinosaur nuggets? They can go. I'll take the mashed potatoes. Boom. Nothing else? The mashed potato would be my whole meal. I saw it. Are you going to stand on the green or are you going to go off?

47:22It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Put your feet on the green. The ball's stuck. Put your feet on the green. Oh, he's coaching you up I'm trying to help them Do you really want to win people money? Somebody who ain't never played this game before he coached me up Oh, oh, oh My daddy said That was a good one You got to make two out of these six This hole or this hole back there? Which one are we doing?

47:50Pat McAfee:That's not a hole It would be either two of these Back there, okay Here we go Ladies and gentlemen, first putt All he has to do is go two of six here Not an avid golfer, but a putt-putt king. No chance. I like the over. Oh, boy, that was bad. That was not his best effort. That was not his best effort. That was all. It's all right. Don't start. Don't start. You hit the ground. A little bit of dancing that's going on there. All right? Do you need some water? You need some more hydrant. No, we can. I don't know why. You need some more hydrant. More mass. Put a magnet up on the here. There's a magnet under?

48:27My ball from going down on the end. You think there's space? Now, hold on. Yeah.

48:31Pat McAfee:I will say, maybe there is a chance that when you got your feet back on this wood again, you got so jacked up that you know the putt. We want to stay off of that. We want to stay off of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stop making excuses and putt. No, he hasn't been on the wood in a while. They banned him from the wood. They banned me. So, okay. So, we want to stay off of that. Next topic. Next. Next. Next. Next topic. Next topic. Next topic. Next topic. You're very sorry that that happened. Next topic. Next topic. Next topic. I got two. Oh, five. Let's stop it. Oh, shit. I like that. That is horrible.

49:08Hit a house. A little bit of an aggressive line. Find the pace.

49:11Pat McAfee:I get better than a scooter. You stink at golf. You got four more. Relax. Relax. I'm not worrying about it. I'm just telling you there's a lot of noise over there, John. It's bad right now. Let's go. Here we go.

49:23Jeez. Hit the ball. We might need to get him the mallet putter. Oh, my God. That was the worst call we've ever had. I got four. I got three. Three, three, three, three. That was horrible. That was so bad. You're not even getting close. He's not comfortable with the lab fighter. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Be careful, man. Be careful. Why? Be careful over there. Don't have to be. I have to stumble over that way. Be careful. Tiger Hood.

49:48Pat McAfee:Hey, are you scared of somebody about Connors size? Man, he better watch the stump over there. Hey, hey, hey. I mean, I'm a little nervous about you. Better be nervous, boy. Better be nervous. I saw you hitting the heavy bag earlier. Giannis would have had it coming. All right. Okay. Let's move on to a three. Next topic. Next topic. Hey, leave that man alone. I'm not messing with that man alone. Leave that man alone. Heavy hands. Because he started something. Yeah, that's what he does. Hold on. That hole, right, is where we're aiming? Okay. All right. Come on. Bucket. Feet. Oh. Good pace. Never doubt.

50:25Okay. I told you. Relax.

50:26Pat McAfee:Everybody needs to relax. If he goes one of two here, we will give 30 people$500. He's done it. This is so much pressure. All right, hey, hey, let's remember what's all on the line here. $15 ,000 in giveaways to the fine people on X. 500 installments. So how much we got right there? $10 ,000 donation to a charity of the Halliburton's Choice. All you got to do is put that ball into that hole right over there, which you've done one time out of five. How do you feel going in? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Really? You had to say it like that? That's a fact. You're one. Hey, these are facts. You're one out of the last two.

51:00Hey, did you hear what he said? He said what? These are facts. Those are facts.

51:05Pat McAfee:Yeah. What's the fact going to be about this one? Okay. All right. It's going in. Boom. Too much pressure. Make sure he knows it's on national television. Get him a spoonful of mashed potatoes before he hits this. They in here. All right. All right, Sean. If this goes in, 30 people,$500. Get in there. Nope. Nope. Damn it That's alright We'll still donate 10 grand Okay good Good Any final things to say About your boy And how proud you are Of everything he's done What he's gone through I am very proud of my son And I want the world To know that I love my child You're a great father Very passionate father We appreciate the hell out of you man Good to see you dude The way you eat is wild Yeah Are you Irish?

51:49Got some Irish in you? I'm out of here Yeah yeah Smart smart smart Go to the back Go to the back Go to the back

51:57A lot of pressure That was a tough scene there Got the clutch gene from mom

52:04Pat McAfee:Jeez I had no idea what he was doing I've never seen Yeah that was rude You didn't deserve that John

52:13Pat McAfee:Yep As soon as Giannis comes up Next subject Next subject I know you're very sorry Do not gas him up He is awesome. That's the last thing he needs. You think that's where your moxie comes from, huh? I'd assume they're from John Halberd. Sure. Because you got the moxie. Yeah. You can feel it. When you do this, I don't know if we talked about it. We got to have a band over there, the drummer. Excuse me. When you do this in Madison Square Garden and when you do the big ball dance in Cleveland, that's something you've always done since you were a kid? And do you think it all goes back to you being a wrestling fan?

52:48Yeah. I've always been the guy who wants to get a nice celly out there. And I think, yeah, I think wrestling has a big part to do with a lot of it, actually, honestly.

52:58Pat McAfee:Yes, I agree. As somebody who's a diehard wrestling fan growing up, I think you can tell people that are wrestling fans or not. And I think when you're out there, you understand it's a show. Yep. That's why you do the no-look passes, that type of shit. I appreciate it. I respect the hell out of it. Have you always been that way, though? Flashy guy. For sure, my whole life. Yeah? At all times. Always a good shooter? Got better around middle school. Started to shoot the ball better. Yeah. Well, obviously, middle school is always. In third grade, this kid couldn't shoot. So that's what they used to say.

53:26Pat McAfee:Fourth grade, this guy sucked at shooting. Wisconsin wouldn't even offer the guy. What? True story. No offer. Neither did, who else? Who was the guy? Cal. Cal, yeah. At Kentucky. Yeah, I remember that moment. Well, Cal went on and had a great career. Got coached at the right place. Went to the right guy. The whole thing is what Cal said in that. Your shooting form is interesting, though. Yeah. Right, you would say? Yeah. But allegedly the story is they told people not to change your shooting form. Is that because you've been like a prolific shooter your entire, like high school you were known as prolific shooter.

53:59Pat McAfee:Yeah. College known as prolific shooter. Now you have the men's three-point shooting contest record for one round. Has it always been that way, prolific shooting? Yeah, I feel like I've been able to shoot the ball at a high level for a long time. And if I wasn't able to, then I feel like somebody would have been able to change it. But I feel like most of the time when people try to change my form, when it's happened in the past. Then we do a couple workouts. Then I think they see that I can shoot the ball well. And your free throw run, what did you have post all-star break? You missed like two free throws or something?

54:26Pat McAfee:Yeah. Is that true? No, I think you told us. It was that, and then like in clutch time, you were I think 12 or 13 or 11 or 12 from the field as well. And then when we played 33 in here, Foxy and I watched you hit 20 straight threes whenever we were about to beat you. We did almost lose. Yeah, and that would have been tough. That would have been tough for you. That would have been tough. I had a rough start to the season. What can I say? Okay, so have you thought back about that at all? No. Not really. Spaceships don't come equipped with rearview mirrors. They dip. Is that what you're saying? We don't need to think about the first half of the season?

54:58I think if there was any time to reflect on it, it would probably be in this time, but I haven't really thought too much on it, to be honest.

55:06Pat McAfee:Yeah, because the way it ended, what have you done for me lately? A ball. Yeah, went to the finals. That's what we did. It was fun to watch your team, man. It's been cool to get to know you. Thank you for inviting me to come to the WNBA All-Star Superstar Contest. Skills Challenge. There it is. How is that only an hour and 10 minutes? It was such a short event. Such a short event. Could we not add? We thought about this yesterday. We started doing some brainstorming. What do you want to add? Knockout? No. $500 ,000 prize? Three-man weave. No. I actually think 33 would be pretty far. 33 would be a great game, but it takes a little bit, you know, because there's teams of two.

55:38Pat McAfee:but you don't think half-court knockout with a$250 ,000 price? Yeah. Have you ever played half-court knockout on a real basketball? I mean, you have a great set up here. Half-court? Yeah, you've got to get the final three. The ball is going to go everywhere and people are going to have to chase it. Get rebounders. We're playing a sport. You said rebounders and knockout? I mean, look, I'm trying to help the problems that you're bringing up. Yeah, we're getting answers. You're a problem guy. We're an answer guy. I don't think it's a problem. There was only one problem present at the WNBA, and they wore the teeth.

56:08They wore the t-shirts about it.

56:09Pat McAfee:That's an interesting thing. Damn money. That's a big-time negotiation, big-time statement. If they're able to, you know, remain close, hopefully they're all able to get a pay raise. Yeah, sure. I said yesterday, fuck, you're already losing$40 million. Why not lose it before? Where are we getting that number from? Yeah, where's the money going? But I feel like that$40 million thing is being brought out of thin air. Probably not real. Yeah. Is there not some shit in that$40 million we can cut out? You would assume. And then give at least a$50 ,000 bonus to the pay. Like, you know? If you're already losing$40 million, what's another 10 %?

56:41I feel like that number's brought out of thin air, though. I've never seen a... Spreadsheet? Where's the balance sheet? I'll hit Google right now. And then there's a new TV deal starting next year. So... Yeah. And they're bringing... So you're telling me...

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58:04Pat McAfee:More! Are happening all around us. It has been a great morning and early afternoon here at the Thunderdome. Guests in abundance. It's been awesome to see everybody. Wasn't able to take a pee during a break. We'll be excited to see how this hour kind of holds up for my bladder. But it was awesome chit-chatting with Tyrese Halliburton. I think it's the first time he has spoke since the injury. And we love him, man. He's great for the city. He's great at basketball. He's got a long road, and I think he understands that. And his dad is electrifying. And I know they tried to ban him from games because of what he did, and he's obviously very apologetic about that becoming a massive ordeal and obviously being something that stole the attention away from how great the Indiana Pacers team was.

58:43Pat McAfee:The NBA may need to think about leaning in on that. Instead of banning them, maybe we mic them up every game. Not a bad idea. Hey, you want to pay your dues, this guy. You know, you did the crime. Now you got to do the time. You're mic'd up every single game down here. And actually, we would like you to maybe get a rebound or two if you could. And sit next to Jokic brothers. Maybe in between them. Boom. Could you imagine John in between those two, what he would be saying? You're big, not that big. That's a good haircut. What's wrong with these guys, man? He is electric. Lightning. And I think you can't say any of the things you say about him without acknowledging he loves his boy.

59:22Pat McAfee:He loves his family. and we're appreciative they stopped by. The Talks of Table is here at Boston Corner, at Ty Schmidt. Calm, man, sweet shirt. Thank you. Yeah, I just grabbed it because I was super late to work today, right off the... Yeah, what did happen with that? You know, just being dumb. It's the haptics and sounds on your alarm. Bro. They'll turn down. It gets me, yeah. Why does it do that? I don't know. I've never been in there before and then all of a sudden my alarm is very low and what ends up waking me up whenever that happens is a brrrr, the rattle of it And then it freaks me out, obviously.

59:54Pat McAfee:And I look at it, and it's like your alarm's going off. And I'm like, I can't hear that. What happened to this? And then you learn this haptics and sounds tab. Terrible. Who changed that? I didn't. Hey, Tim Apple, we need to figure that one out because the alarm's a pretty important part of the phone. Very important. That is a pretty important. Every day. For all of us. Yeah. For a lot of us that have them, it is a very important part. Oh, yeah. Can't just have the sound of the alarm going down without us even. So it's happening to everybody. Yes. I know I turn, you know, you turn it all down, you know, on the show, even with the phones on the side, you may scroll and hit a video and the sound pops up, so I turn it down.

1:00:27But I try to remind myself to turn it back up before going to sleep because of alarm. No, that shouldn't affect the alarm.

1:00:33Pat McAfee:I think it says this does not affect the alarm. It does. What I've had to do, because I used to legit check it ten times before I actually fall asleep because I'm like, I'm not dealing with this bullshit. Do not disturb. And then I turn the actual ringer on. So your phone is on loud, but you don't get any messages or anything like that. Yeah, but it says this will not affect your alarm. I think they're lying to you. I think so, too. I've had to set fake alarm like two minutes from now and try to see if this thing's going to go, what is this going to sound like? Is it set up? That's a nightmare.

1:01:05Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what, sleeping through an alarm or not setting an alarm, and then when you wake up and knowing. I knew right away because I saw the light coming through my window. No, not again. Well, then winter gets tough because it's just pitch black all the time. So you can wake up at 3 a.m. and you can wake up at 8 a.m. and it's the same light outside whenever we're in the thick of it. But whenever you're in the spring-summertime and it's a little brighter than it was yesterday, oh no, what happened? And then your phone, it's like that's not what my alarm's supposed to be. You're supposed to make a sound.

1:01:39Pat McAfee:You're supposed to make a sound. Why aren't you making a sound? I used to be able to put songs in there too. Yeah, what happened to that? Those definitely do not play anymore. At all? Yeah. I had Nakamura's Shinsuke, yeah I had the succession theme song That was literally my alarm For years It used to be I got a pocket full of sunshine I got a pocket full of sunshine Then somebody told me it was about cocaine Then whenever I was using my alarm in a public setting Everybody was like We did it, dude I'm like, okay, I need to move on. I moved to Shinsuke Nakamura's theme song. So then I get on commentary.

1:02:22Pat McAfee:Shinsuke's on SmackDown. It's like, I love this song. This song has woke me up every single day. Had a good time with it. And then all of a sudden, it just stops working. Now I got some basic bullshit. I'm like, I don't want that. Am I at war? Yeah, wake up in fear. I want Shinsuke Nakamura. I need the tribal chiefs to wake me up. Exactly. He's back. TC1's back, yeah. Yo. Yeah. Shredded. When we need him, too. Big time. Big time. Thanks for coming back. Needed it. SummerSlam's next weekend? Next? Two weekends? Yeah, good card. Holy shit. It is stacking up well, isn't it? Two-night spectacle over there in MetLife?

1:03:05Pat McAfee:Yeah. It's always good to see Roman back. Great. How about Paul Heyman squirming a little bit? Nah. I thought he was still on the team. What? He's not. No. He's not on the team. He thought he was still on the team. he was oh yeah he was trying to wasn't that's classic wise man that is not bad effort if you're him to be clear he also looks like better shape yeah i don't know if everybody's yeah now granted roman did say what is this guy gonna do for me nothing kind of looking at him a little bit which probably a valid point in the entirety of it all i think he looks good though looks a little better is my cole battling something i don't know how he does it michael cole now he doesn't have a daily show but he has lived on the road for 28 years basically just full sell every single time.

1:03:48Does a video game too.

1:03:49Pat McAfee:Oh yeah, when you're home, need you to go in a closet in a corner. Do it to nobody. And you need to talk to nobody. And you need to talk about wrestlers that might not even exist. They might be coming around the corner. Or you need to talk about Ty and Boston Con. Yeah, Michael Cole is an absolute weapon. It's great to hear his voice every Monday. I will say, we miss the Michael Cole around, but it's been nice for me to become a human again, I will say. And it's kind of coming up again here. I mean, we've been talking about the NFL like with the Jets coming back, you're going to hear a lot about Michael Cole or from Michael Cole.

1:04:20Yeah, but this could be

1:04:20Pat McAfee:the year for the Jets. Nobody's really expecting anything from them. They just got a brand new locker room. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Cowboys, AP Tone. Everybody's talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers going for a Super Bowl. Jets paid a quarterback. Jets paid a bunch of guys. Jets got a brand new locker room. Jets have been teetering on the edge of becoming a franchise that has not been successful at all in the modern century. And then now we're at a point where why not redesign the locker room, add some glitz and some glam to the entirety of it all, pay your quarterback, bring Aaron Glenn in here.

1:04:51Pat McAfee:Aaron Glenn obviously going to be a massive missing piece from the Detroit Lions, even though we got faith in new defense coordinator Kelvin Shepard. It's like, why not the Jets? Is this the Jets here? New locker room, Tone. I mean, it could be. They have a defense and they have stars with sauce. Sick locker room. And Quentin Williams over there. And then, you know, they have Garrett Wilson and Justin Fields and Brees Hall on the offense. Their O-line should be improved. You know, why not the Jets year? You know, why not the Browns year? Why not, you know, anybody's year? Because, you know, some franchises just don't win, Pat.

1:05:23And week one when the Steelers roll into town and win by 25, oh, my God, is that going to be glorious? Because Dano's going to have to eat all of his fucking words.

1:05:30Pat McAfee:Well, that was before Aaron Rodgers was on the team, is what Orlovsky would say. Remember, he'll always have a – He's got it. We don't forget. Wait a minute. Don't catch the bullet. Was it the same situation as it is? I don't think so. That's what Dan will say. Oh, yeah. I think Dan will throw this as well. I think. Yeah, one of those. Is that what you think? Or would you say I didn't say it, just with the Brock partnership? I never said that. I never said that. Not true. You're going to have to run the tape. Well, here it is right here. Yeah, but what I was saying was, no, yeah. We're in that time of year.

1:06:03Pat McAfee:Yeah. I'm looking for the Dan. I know the Dan wagon's coming. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, man with 10 kids. Congrats to him, A.J. Hawk. Dan Erlovsky would say, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, first off, why can't we let John Halberton shoot threes or something? Why are we making this guy putt? He was putting before the show and making putts. John made putts before the show, really? Oh, you better watch him out. Hey, John Halliburton just heard that and said, is that right? I bet he could 360 dunk.

1:06:38He could probably dunk from the free throw line. He's in good shape. Why don't we let him shoot a few buckets?

1:06:42Pat McAfee:Well, because he was very – if you would have heard the ruckus, is the only way to describe it, before the show started. We're in there. There's just a, yeah, that's what I thought happening out here. Okay? And I look out. John Halliburton's got big putter in his hand. I'm like, you making putts? He goes, yeah, and they're saying I'm not. And he's pointing at the cameraman and everybody else. He's just stirring shit literally on the thing. I think he made three yeah I think he did roll three in I was like well you you want to do that for like a giveaway he goes I'll do whatever I'm like do you want to putt to maybe win some people some money I said if you miss it's not a big deal a lot of people miss he goes I ain't missing I was like okay okay I love this man I love John Halliburton the best he literally ordered a bucket of mashed potatoes i got chicken parm for instance i got chicken parm pyre's got maybe some i saw your chicken parm some steak a lot of sauce don't love that it was drenched it was drenched in sauce so i just ate the chicken and moved on but it was great tasting chicken gumpy ordered probably some steak of some sort filet that was like 80 cream you every i don't think they had smooth cream you but this would be a place that has all the options anything you could potentially want highlight we're in a back room chef basically walks in goes anything on earth that you guys want made i'll make them go around the room sounds good boom get john halberdyn mashed potatoes okay what do you want for your meal i just told you just a mashed big spoon big spoon that was like the the family style sides they give you but he's like nah right here it's all me what do you want on the side sir i guess a side of mashed potatoes but you could put that got a butter does that make This thing showed up.

1:08:21Pat McAfee:It was a bucket of measurements. He's the greatest. He's the greatest. And Tyrese, good mindset towards this thing. Great mindset. Not going to be easy at all. He understands that it's not going to be easy. I think, I don't know if he was alluding to it or said it or the reason why I framed the question that way because of conversations I have in the past. The people that have been through it are telling the truth. Like, hey, this is going to suck. There's moments that are not good at this whole thing. And that gets forgotten in rehab. Everybody just gets a projection, a timeline. line hey he should be back by this time everybody's like all right we'll see you then for the human that's doing it yeah you know like that is eternity pretty much while they're sitting by themselves it's a lot of mental tasking shit physically tasking stuff it's full commitment to everything that you're doing it's purpose to everything it's not easy rehab is not easy at all and uh achilles is one of the longest ones obviously yeah one of the uh worst ones worst injury like he said right now when nobody's in the building nobody's really playing you know You don't miss it as much, but once – and we all know when you are – especially when you're an athlete and you're walking around or scooting around or whatever it may be and you see all your peers doing just a normal – just a shoot-around or just a regular workout, that's when it really, really sucks the most getting up in those mornings, him talking – having those different deadlines.

1:09:36But a good part of it, though, is he knows he's not going to play next year. So it's not like a, hey, six months out of me, try to get back by game. You know, 24, you don't have, you know, you can take your time. You can really let it heal. You really have time to come back, hopefully better, and have a great, great career on the other side of this, like, you know, Kevin Durant, who he's been talking to and spending some time with.

1:09:56Pat McAfee:We're pulling for him. He's great, dude. Let's talk a little bit about the NFL. Jerry Jones said some hilarious things to start training camp. Here's one of them, live from Oxnard. The other thing I would say is contracts are four or five years. Okay. Okay. There's a lot of water under the bridge if you step out there and do something in the first two or three. Okay. You can get hit by a car. Fuck. Seriously. Seriously. And so there's a lot to look at over a lot of years that could make a big difference. Have you ever heard of any clubs committing to players and then they didn't pan out after they committed to them?

1:10:35No. We have.

1:10:38Pat McAfee:Yeah, me, my pocketbook, not yours. and shit get hit by a car tomorrow. So why would we pay him? Hell, why are we even... Why are we paying anybody? Why are we even playing the game? Why are we even... What's this? Is this even... What are we doing? Almost a Scotty Shepard situation. Yeah, truly. About what matters, what doesn't matter. And it's like, Jerry, Jerry, you're kind of taking a shot at Micah now not being able to handle himself or you think that he's not going to be able to last for an entire contract. And then obviously there's the Shamar Stewart stuff happening in Cincinnati where Mr.

1:11:15Pat McAfee:Brown, who I didn't know was still around talking football, doing football like you did. He gets you. I don't want a big guy. He's sitting in jail. Yeah. Easy as that. I understand. It's happened. I don't want to do it. You want to do that? No. None of us do. And then the easy question is, well, why'd you draft the guy you think is going to potentially end up in jail in the first round? And there's always a counterargument. It's crazy that this is how it's starting, I think for these two ownerships and these two teams but football is back baby that's what I'm thinking AJ football is back, owners are speaking, it's awesome the Jerry situation, I love seeing him in the pressers it's almost like when Tyrese is trying to push his dad off the mic alright John, get in the back it's almost like Jerry and his son when you watch him up there I don't know, does Shamar Stewart get signed and when does he, obviously he's going to have to get signed eventually, when does that happen?

1:12:04Pat McAfee:Well you add in the Trey Hendrickson he's gone fishing down He's in Florida, Ohio, at all. Joining us now is a man who might have more information on all of it. We assume he does. Emmy Award-winning television host. Now he's with ESPN. He's an analyst, a pundit, and an insider. Friend of the program. Deserves an award for his work alongside Tone during the draft spectacular this year in Green Bay, Wisconsin. They won't give him an award, though, because it was on our show. Joey will not pay the money to apply for an award. Correct. That is not how we view awards. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager.

1:12:36Yay! How you doing, brother? I'm doing awesome. I died laughing at the vat of mashed potatoes because that might be me. The same deal. It's like, I'm ordering what I want, and you can have the poutine, you can have the escargot. If I want a vat of mashed potatoes and I'm at a five-star restaurant, if you're offering me, I'm going to eat the vat of mashed potatoes.

1:12:55Pat McAfee:It better be good, too. He's expecting those to be good mashed potatoes. This is a nice restaurant. I'll go down to Applebee's down here and get some good mashed potatoes. Oh, yeah. You guys better have a good vat around here of these taters. it's off uh shrags let's talk about all the shit okay jerry jones awesome then jj watts like bro what are you doing first day of training camp then micah reposts jj watt saying bro what are you doing this entire thing mike is on his fifth year so that is uh obviously you get the option to pick up the fifth year very rarely at important positions do we see the player play through the entire fifth year without getting a big time deal especially if the person is considered a long-term pillar of said franchise which i think since draft night micah has been considered because he's been a cowboy fan his whole life him and jerry hit it off then jerry says these things is there a chance jerry doesn't pay micah that seems like a one in a billion chance he doesn't pay him but is that where we're headed and what are your thoughts on how it's all kind of unfolding I think he's going to get paid.

1:14:00And I think Jerry intends to pay him. But Jerry Jones is as he wants to win the deal and the art of the deal and the business is almost as entertaining to Jerry as the football itself. So he's not going to be bullied around by an agent who he claimed he didn't know the name of earlier this offseason. He's not going to be bullied around by a player who's very active on a podcast and social media. And he's not going to be bullied around by us in the media. So I think Jerry's having a little fun here. And at the expense, it might be the goodwill of a player who has lived up to expectations, who has done everything you can ask for and wants to be the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

1:14:41I would think before the end of the season just like they did before the start of the season just like they timed it perfectly with Dak in week one we have news just as Jay Glazer's getting on set or hey CeeDee Lamb just as we're finishing training camp I think Jerry likes that splash and Jerry likes to take it to the wire but at what cost in my eyes I'm with J.J. Watt on this one where it's what is the win what is the win in even tempting fate and putting that stuff out in the ether with a player like Micah Parsons. But this is how Jerry does business. The guys do get paid. And sometimes he's got to pay a premium for it because he does it at the last second instead of doing it earlier in the process.

1:15:20But in his eyes, I made you wait and I got the full value of my contract that you signed with me.

1:15:28Pat McAfee:Yeah, I hope they get the deal done. And just like with CD and just like Dak, there's always some conjecture. And then inevitably they end up paying him so much money. And you talk about winning the deal and The Art of the Deal, which is a book written by somebody. Sunsuit. Who was it? A guy? I don't know. He doesn't like the commander's name. I know that. The whatevers. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, The Art of the Deal is a big thing. And Jerry's a good businessman. I think he's a good businessman. But I think the way he's handled this type of shit, I think, is a flaw. Personally, in his repertoire, because he's going to end up overpaying for it.

1:16:03Pat McAfee:And then he's going to give his quote once again. He's going to say, anything that's ever been worth anything to me, people have told me I've overpaid for or whatever. And it's like, I can't wait for that moment. I don't know when it's going to happen. But congrats to Mike on his big deal that he has certainly earned, we would assume, in everybody's eyes in Dallas and around the country. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Shregs, flip it to Cincinnati right now. We talked about Mike Brown. He was speaking yesterday. First off, Trey Henderson, he posts a picture. He's back in Florida, I guess. He left town. And Shamar Stewart, who of these guys get signed first?

1:16:33I would assume Shamar gets signed. When could that be? and also like what's the future for trey hendrickson and cincinnati this is just brutal it's brutal because for the entire off season i've been saying on this show and on others like the priorities for cincinnati or jamar chase and t higgins and when they got those deals done they were like we did it right fans like we did it we finally did it we broke the bank on two star players and we are good to go and then this trey hendrickson thing has completely taken any of the goodwill away from it and then the shamar stewart thing comes out of left field when you start putting in clauses that they've never done as a team before and that's taken down the team and it puts you right back in the same conversation you were in when Carson Palmer was unhappy with his contracts and when those early 2000s teams that were so good had to be dismantled because the team might have bungled the relationships or AJ as you know when you were in that market for so long and you know that like this is not viewed as the same way as the New York Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys or some of those premier franchises.

1:17:30That said, Trey Hendrickson, they are not going to do what he wants on his timetable. And they have made that clear. And he has gone out of his way to be very transparent, coming on your show, which I thought he was very eloquent, and then meeting with local reporters in the offseason at the practice where he was attending. And then now an Instagram post that looks like a John Denver song. You know, I'm out. And this is it. Here's my sunset. Give me back to God's country. That's it. God's country. That's it. Morgan Whalen, right out of Saturday Night Live. Morgan Whalen, please, Jesus. And that's why he's saying give me God's country there as you represent New York.

1:18:06Pat McAfee:I'm going to do Whalen Jennings. Yeah. Which dog, by the way. Did you see Spade come out as Joe Dirk? Yes. Yeah, pretty cool. Randy Johnson, I thought, pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool, yeah. So not stadiums everywhere. Yeah, the entirety. Trey Hendrickson, though. Trey Hendrickson, though. He's not happy. I mean, he's not. Are they offering him garbage, Shregs? We're hearing reports. Are they offering it just garbage or what is it? They're not offering him Miles Garrett money. And they're not offering him TJ Watt money. And they see it as fulfill your contract. We just, you know, like, sorry, like, let's fulfill the contract and let's get to work.

1:18:43So they're digging their heels in. You heard Mike Brown. I think, you know, Katie Blackburn, his daughter Elizabeth. Like, these are, this is a family that wants the Bengals. It's their family business. They want the Bengals to be as good as they possibly can be, but they're not looking to necessarily pay him the same noni as the other top players at the position have. And Trey, I don't know where the rubber hits the road here, but truth of the matter is his age and the production has been there. They're looking at what the future is of this team, and he might be looking at what I've accomplished, and I think I'm owed this.

1:19:18You can go either way on it. The player side, of course you say pay him. from the team budgetary side they looked at this entire offseason and said higgins and chase are our top two priorities trey hendrickson is not because he's under contract so i'm not sure how this plays out but let's see what his will is and let's see if he's convicted enough to just say you know what screw it i'm not going to show up i'll eat the fines let's see how you do without my 18

1:19:38Pat McAfee:and a half sacks a year and trey has said uh that the last two off seasons they've told him we'll take care of you we'll take care of you and then it comes time to get taken care of and now Mr. Brown saying, we gave him a raise. I mean, we've given him a raise. Come on. And he said he's still under contract, so maybe he's silly me for even giving him a raise or whatever. And it was like, oh, my God, he's nowhere near. They're nowhere. Like, they are in very different head spaces. If you listen to Mr. Brown and you listen to Trey Hendrickson talk about it at all, and it's like, Trey, we have said, too nice of a guy maybe for this situation, him heading to Florida.

1:20:15Pat McAfee:No, that was it. That's a big stand by Trey Hendrickson. We didn't think he would do this. He kind of said it from the get-go. Hey, you guys rip on me 16 or 17 more times. I'm out of here. And he's finally reached his breaking point. See, that's what you were saying. Yeah, and he didn't like that you were saying that. But I think he was trying to maintain doing it the right way in his eyes while doing it in a manner that he didn't want to do it, which is being loud. Like, the squeaky wheel gets you oil. You know, that's kind of how it is. Can I add, though? like when you look at this thing in this team their their offense wasn't the problem it never is it's their defense it's horrendous and they fire luana rumo who i think is an excellent defensive coordinator and it's going to be a great addition to another team that happens to be in your backyard i think he's the absolute man they fire lu and they hire al golden who everyone's like this is great but when you have trey hendrickson and then you draft a defensive end at 17th overall those are pretty much your top two defensive players going into the season as far as what you have and what you hope for.

1:21:13If you have a guy in the top 20, you're taking at that position. And to not have either as camp starts is a major L. I don't care how you look at it, who wins this thing. To not have either one of those guys on the first day of training camp is a huge, huge L for the team. No matter who's right or wrong and what clause is written where, I don't care about any of that stuff. You're the worst defense in the division. You got lit up in every big game. Joe Burrow in that offense took care of business. I would think that this has looked as a great disappointment to not have those two players on the field.

1:21:40Pat McAfee:Shreg, as you've always said, can't spell bangles without L's. That's right. Can't do it. That's what you've been saying. Not me. I'm just saying you've. Can't spell Morgan Whalen without an L either. I'm sorry about that one. Two of them, actually, and it's Wallen. Jesus Christ, once again. All right. Okay. All right. That guy will come to your city and sell out your stadium. I like that guy. I like that Tate McRae. That's what I want. That's what I want. When she comes in on that second verse, I'm like, ooh. Shregs, Shregs, you need to cut your music a little bit. I listen to The Highway on Sirius.

1:22:17I love it. There's like six songs they play. That's all I know.

1:22:20Pat McAfee:Oh, a little city cowboy up there. Okay, we like that, Shregs. We love that. Buy Dirt. Go ahead. Buy Dirt. Is that what you said? Like a song from like 10 years ago. Yeah, I just referenced it. No, Jordan, that's a great song. Yeah, that's a great song. In all these good songs you're referencing, the messaging and storyline through it all is that's a piece of country. He's beautiful. Now there's old school country and there's contemporary country. I don't know shit about Brooks and Dunn. I don't know anything about Alan Jackson. Ma Maria? Come on. I love my modern country. I'm in on it. I love it.

1:22:52Pat McAfee:Okay, so as somebody who's from New York City getting into the country world, you should learn a couple things about George Strait and a couple other OG country folks. Dolly. Yeah, Dolly's a great one. So whenever you get into a conversation, Beyonce, obviously Grammy award winning country musician, which is potentially created an entire another genre of Shabuzi. Certainly good conversation to be had. Darius Rucker also absolute dog around. But you should just learn a couple of things about the old school country so that whenever you get into the country, inevitably, which is pretty seemingly pretty hospital.

1:23:26Pat McAfee:I think it's pretty much music right now. Like that's it's either country or hip hop. Yeah, it's it's summer every single time. but you learn some stuff about George Strait, you'll be right in there. Oh, yeah. You'll be right in there. And the country community is an awesome one as a chance because they all watch game day. So all these country musicians watch game day, and they all, not all of them, I guess, but every guy that I've met, big sports, like, love sports, love the sports. Jack Bryan just sold out the MetLife Stadium, which is all New Yorkers in Connecticut and New Jersey, sold it out three different nights, and everyone who went said it was absolutely unbelievable, and Springsteen showed up.

1:24:01So you don't have to sell it to me. Like, I get it. Now the 80s and 90s, I wish I had more of a knowledge. I did not grow up with it then. Did Springsteen cut any promos out there? I don't know. He was pissing off people. He did.

1:24:11Pat McAfee:That was awesome. Anyways, to the country music world, we appreciate you being awesome for us. I'm new to the world. I was not a big country fan growing up. And then you get a chance to meet these dudes and ladies. And then you get the songwriting process. You get to experience that like I did. Then the history down in Nashville, Music Row, the Ryman Theater Auditorium. I mean, there is like, it's a cool thing to learn about. They do the CMAs. I think that's on ABC, or one of them's on ABC. You should be involved with that. No, Peyton Manning's hosting that one, brother. He's got the accent, actually.

1:24:41Pat McAfee:He's in there. Him and Luke Bryan. Him and Luke Bryan got that thing unlocked. But the country music world, I think you could say that their award shows are the most star-studded. Like, they all buy in. They all show? They all buy in. Like, their shit is always great. It's a great community. I think there are a lot of really talented and good people. Now, let's get back to a little NFL chatter, shall we? there's some other outstanding contract situations that are taking place around the NFL with superstars not just Trey Hendrickson go ahead D-Butch yeah I know our GM Adam Peters head coach Dan Quinn uh just recently spoke didn't get a chance to watch that yet since we've been on air but we know Terry McLaurin he's been pissed off about his deal not sure if he's going to show up or not any update there what's going on with Terry and the commanders yeah Adam had his press conference this morning and was very top line we want Terry in camp we appreciate Terry these conversations are ongoing but let's really peel the onion back here this has been the first piece of adversity in adam peters dan quinn and josh harris's entire tenure when it comes to the football team on the field where there's actually an unhappy player with his contract and this one's tough because mclaurin is the bridge from the dark days of what this organization was before these guys took over and before jayden daniels got there and he was jayden's number one guy and has done everything you could possibly ask for from a veteran wide receiver.

1:25:57In fact, he wore the C as a wide receiver, which is pretty rare as the captain of the team and is beloved. And Cliff loves him and DQ loves him. All those guys love him. He's got a year left on his contract. He's looking at the numbers and saying, wait a second, I am not being paid what I'm deserved. That said, in a similar way as Trey Hendrickson, you look at the age, you look at the budget, you look at we're going they didn't account for an unhappy terry mclaurin and a potential holdout from terry mclaurin they went and they got debo samuel for a year they got laramie tunzel they went all in on those veterans thinking okay last year we put this together with a bunch of veteran pieces and we got lucky with a couple rookies and it worked out it was great now we're going to ascend and we're going to go for it well you can't go for it without terry mclaurin on the field from terry's side he has done everything right he thinks he's paid well below you know market rate for what he's produced and yet if you were to list the top 10 wide receivers and I know ESPN did on a Jeremy Fowler poll, I don't know where you put Terry McLaurin.

1:26:56He's certainly not in that Jamar Chase, Malik Neighbors, Justin Jefferson, like those top, top guys who are ascending. Neighbors? Neighbors? I don't know. I put Neighbors in because he's a second-year guy.

1:27:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, that sounds like you just watch a lot of New York Giants highlights, which I respect Malik Neighbors might be. Garrett Wilson just got his number. Do you pay him what Garrett Wilson got? More. Or you pay him more. Okay. Terry, we are a show that thinks Terry is the guy. Effort. Catcher. Leader. Everything he does. Like, we are a Terry. You want Terry in your locker room, we think. Absolutely. Not that all these other guys you don't. But I'm just saying, for who Terry is and what Terry is, and also the culture you're trying to establish, him being everything that it is, and he catches in traffic, he runs the hard routes, he's not scared of doing it.

1:27:44Pat McAfee:It's like Terry McLaurin is a guy you want on your team. Like that is, we think very highly. And you want happy on your team. Like you look at other teams like Philly, for instance. Like when you pay guys like Jordan early, you pay Saquon when you don't need to. You play Jalen Hurts early. Like that does something for the morale of the team. When you have a rookie quarterback, Jaden Daniels, who is going to be on a rookie deal for at least another couple years, you bring in Tungso, you bring in Debo. This is a guy you want to come in there, be happy about his deal, and get paid. Yeah, Garrett earned it.

1:28:11All these guys earned it. but Terry has definitely been here. He doesn't think Terry top 10. Top 10 is wild. I got Terry top 10. Oh, I'm asking if you put him there.

1:28:19Pat McAfee:Hey, listen, I didn't put any numbers on this. I'm just saying, hey, are we doing that? That's what you just said. Put it off a career year. That's the debate, though. That's the debate. Do you pay him based on what he's been in the culture and say, hey, you know what? We know we just gave you a giant contract two years ago, but let's redo it and give you even more because of it. Or do you say, hey, finish the contract and let's see where we're at at the end of this thing. And all I'm saying is it might get done tomorrow. What I'm saying is Adam Peters and Dan Quinn and Lance Newmark and all those brilliant guys in D.C.

1:28:46who have done everything right since the day they got there. This is their first fork in the road moment. And it just happens to be with the model citizen and the face of the franchise going back not only since they got there, but years ago when this was a team that was in the dregs of society and in the NFL. McLaurin was the shining light and was like, don't worry. You could put me on anything. You could put me out there in public and I will represent this franchise in the right way. When maybe previous ownership didn't and maybe some previous players on the team did not. So do you reward him for all that?

1:29:18Or do you say, finish out the contract and we'll revisit this when we know what our budget is for next year? Is this a smoke track, I assume? No, what is this? This is overthecap.com. Overthecap.com. I can't read. I got the small eyes. What's it say?

1:29:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, over the cap. So he's down at$23 million per year. He's going into his last year, so obviously his contract was signed four years ago, probably five years ago. Jamar Chase is making$40 a year. He's making$23, too. I assume he wants to get into the 30s. Probably mid-30s, I would assume. 34. Right about it. And I would like to let the Washington commanders know, currently their name, whatever, that if you guys don't want to pay it, we would here in India. We would love him back here in Indianapolis. And I think there's a lot of other players. And you talked about this being their first thing they've had to figure out.

1:30:05Pat McAfee:There was a strongly worded truth social post that they're going to have to figure out as well as they piece that stadium together. But I'm excited to watch them do it. Good ownership group can lead through a lot of things. You know, that is real. I think having great guidance at the top of a team matters. And this is one of those situations they're going to have to figure out, navigate. That stadium thing is going to have to be something they're going to have to navigate. That's real. The naming of the team is going to have to be something they navigate. It's like, this is, hey, here we go now.

1:30:33Pat McAfee:You had success. Now you're in it. Josh Harris bought this team and he bought them at a premium and everyone was celebrating for the last 18 months. This has been a, it has been a world-class parade all the way to the NFC championship game. This off season, they made two big moves in getting Debo and Tunzel and there is real Superbowl talk between this stuff with the president and now this McLaurin stuff on the field. There's actual decisions to be made and there might be some actual strife involved. It's not going to always be parades and roses and rainbows in the NFL. And for the first time in this new tenure, Washington is facing some of this.

1:31:08And I saw, you know, the press secretary today came out yesterday and she's like, the president is not kidding on this. And then the mayor came out today and she's like, well, we're at the one yard line. And from what I gather, we're almost there. It's going to get you. You want to predict how that's going to go?

1:31:24Pat McAfee:I'm not. The president said you ever watch Cardinals versus Steelers, Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. You know what James Harrison did? That's at the one-yard line? I'll take that fucking ball all the way down the other side. I will take this thing the other way like James Harrison did. That is wild that that is happening because they need a new stadium. Bad. And they want a new stadium. It was the best news they could possibly ask for. I think we all celebrated that they were getting a new stadium strictly because the lawsuit that was inevitable, whether it was the feces in the cups in the head or it was the actual barricades falling.

1:31:57Pat McAfee:He almost took out a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, it's legit. On that note, Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Schrags, a lot of debate kind of came up this week and early last week about Jalen Hurts and how, you know, I mean, he really, them winning the Super Bowl had nothing to do with him. It was the great defense. It was Saquon. It was his receivers. Even Sirianni, people are kind of coming back around and saying like, hey, without Sirianni, this guy's nothing. Why do you think that has become the narrative with Jalen Hurts after he won a Super Bowl? And do you think people are ever going to kind of give him his flowers as one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL?

1:32:35Or do you think we're just going to continually have this conversation over and over again given how good the Eagles roster is? I have like a meta take on this, and it's kind of like a sports media story more than a Jalen Hurts story. That list came out. He was put at number nine. I was hosting Get Up last week because – Great work. You did a great job. Yep. Thanks, bro. I loved it. It was fun. You did well. My big thing was, if you have a qualm with Jaden Daniels, who's only one year in being above Jalen Hurts, I get it. And if you think he's better than Justin Herbert, totally. I'll give you that.

1:33:10But by and large, you're not putting Jalen Hurts in the same conversation as maybe Lamar or Burrow or Mahomes or Allen, whatever. Then everyone got super defensive. I just don't know who the person hating on Jalen Hurts is. Is there a person in the media who's like, Jalen Hurts sucks? Is there a feeling in the media that Jalen Hurts sucks? I feel like this is what we call a straw man. And it is what the Eagles use for motivation. It's what Eagles fans use for motivation. If you're so sure that Jalen Hurts is being disrespected, show me the article or the person who has said a negative word about Jalen Hurts since that Super Bowl performance where, by and large, he outplayed Patrick Mahomes, not for the first time, but for the second time, and did everything you could possibly ask.

1:33:52My theory on the Eagles, and it goes with Sirianni, who I thought was great at the ESPYs as well. And I saw you guys posted some photos. I know you appreciate Nick's work. I'm a huge Sirianni fan. They are the perfect coach and quarterback for that team. So if you want to play fantasy football and say that, you know, he wouldn't do what he does if he wasn't on the Eagles. Well, he's on the Eagles. It's the same thing as like someone walking down Beverly Hills and being like, I don't like that$20 million house. Well, guess what, buddy? You're never getting a$20 million house. It doesn't matter.

1:34:20Like, this doesn't affect you. It doesn't impact you. The Eagles have Jalen Hurts. He's paid top dollar. He is fantastic. They are Super Bowl champions, and they have Nick Sirianni, who's paid top dollar. And they're super—you can hate all you want, but I don't have the person who's denigrating either one of them. I just think it's a good argument to be making that he's disrespected or dismissed. I thought nine was about right. If you want to say he should be seven or five, fine. But he's not one, two, three, or four if you're looking at it that way.

1:34:47Pat McAfee:That's my take. Interesting takes. Obviously, I love you stirring the pot as you're hosting first take. He jumped right in there. Hell yeah. You said, I've been watching. I understand what the game is. Let me get a point of a list out here. Super Bowl champ. This season, baby. He's almost got in top 10. Yeah, I get it. He dropped a dime in the second half to basically cement that game on the biggest stage and everything like that. I get it. But you putting him above Jerry Burrow? I don't think so. You putting him above Josh Allen? You putting him above Lamar Jackson? You putting him above Patrick Mahomes?

1:35:15Pat McAfee:I think it's tough to do strictly because we have so much great young quarterback play happening around the NFL right now. But Jalen Hurts being an absolute dog in Philadelphia is awesome. And all the while, Pat, like we're doing this and we're screaming on TV and the tweets are going nuts and the whole thing. Jalen Hurts is posing for photos in Greece with Michael Jordan. I'm like, who's getting the last laugh here? Do you think he's really hung up on this? Like he's fine and they're fine. You're out on DJ Khaled? What's that? You're out on DJ Khaled? What happened? Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. What was it?

1:35:47Pat McAfee:Some things. You know. The scratch golfer. He's been traveling to four or five All he's doing is on his album Thor, I don't know if we're ever getting one I mean he's been promoting making this album For a long time, but his big move is You're allowed to be happy, that's what he's been saying It's okay to be happy I think is like His message is like, that's a good message You're a DJ, it is okay to be happy You're also allowed to be pissed off But it doesn't mean that the thing that Pisses you off should just not be allowed to exist anymore But we love your passion Alright, let's move along to another topic that we love You just mentioned a man, Josh Allen there.

1:36:19Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Convay. Yeah, sure. Let's head up to Buffalo. They actually just announced that they're going to be bringing back their red helmets this season. I assume everyone in Buffalo, all Bills fans, have been waiting for this for a long time. Usually Josh Allen does come out with this thing on with a sweet visor during training camp, so that's sweet. Then there was a photo released of the stadium, and it makes their current stadium basically look like a Texas high school stadium. Still very nice, still worth a lot of money, but not what their new one will be. I would like to say that this picture is a perfect depiction of why teams and cities are looking for a new stadium, especially if they're outdated.

1:36:53Pat McAfee:It's like, hey, this is literally what's possible nowadays with what we had back in the day. This is like a perfect – if cities are pitching for a new stadium, it's like, hey, just look at what we can do nowadays with engineering and everything we have versus what we were able to do back then. Congrats to the Buffalo area on getting this new stadium. It looks electrifying. And these bisons, from what I've heard, chests are going to be high. Now, I'm sorry. Yeah, they're growing a bit. No, but to your point, if you pull that photo back up, if you look at the location of the old stadium too, like, hey, Noah could probably fit there.

1:37:23Casino, maybe a hotel, maybe some restaurants. The amount of – Good casinos in New York. Yeah, great place for it. It's wide open right there. But talking of Buffalo Schrager, it feels like the only problem they really have right now is James Cook is a hold in, even though now looking at it from the outside, damn near. This is kind of the way to do it peacefully, if you will, in this day and age now. But with James Cook being the only question mark, how do you feel about Buffalo? They got Josh Palmer in free agency from L.A. That's kind of what was one of their big signings when it came to the offensive side.

1:37:58But do you think this is the year for Buffalo? Is this going to be the season where they can finally talk some kind of legitimate shit to Patriots fans? Or do you think that the Buffalo Bills still are going to try and figure it out and then inevitably get down to the AFC championship? Look, I think the AFC East will be better than it was last year when you had two horrendous teams in the Patriots and the Jets and the Dolphins didn't live up to expectations. So I think the competition is going to be a little harder in the division. But if I had to scope it out right now, looking at the AFC and how loaded the North is and how loaded the West is, I would think that the Bills have the inner track on that one seed, and it's not going to be the Chiefs as the one seed, and it won't be the Ravens as the one seed, that the Bills can still take care of their business, do what they do and secure home field advantage.

1:38:43And then it goes through Buffalo in January. And that's the ultimate hope. And they had that two years ago and they lost, you know, obviously in that, in that heartbreaker to the chiefs in the divisional round. And then of course you look at what happened last year and they had to go into Arrowhead and it didn't work out the way they wanted. And they lose in that round. I would think they, they are going to be, if not the one seed, there'll be the two seed to me. It everyone's back from the coaching staff. They bring all this great talent back on the field. Josh is married and happy and financially secure.

1:39:14Losses like Mac Hollins, like, I don't know if that's, I mean, he was their leading touchdown guy and Mac Hollins had a great, but like, they were so deep at wide receiver that you have to think that the Bills are going to be right back where they were. They just have to get over the hump. And I did like a list of like top five storylines last week on Get Up. And I thought this was number two. Like it's Josh and it's Lamar together in the same conversation at some point. at some point you have your Michael Jordan moment where you beat Isaiah and Dumars and at some point you have your LeBron moment where you get past the Celtics and the Pistons and you do it you know like at some point they have to do it to really cement this thing and I feel like this is the year for Buffalo and it's all there in the cards they just have to get there again

1:39:58Pat McAfee:Are the Chiefs dead, Shrakes? Because they lost in the Super Bowl, they're the reigning AFC champions, everybody if we've seen Travis we're thinking to ourselves talking about someone looking good and tall and sweet. That's a good way to describe that. Travis looks sweet right now. Looks taller than he's ever looked, which might mean he looks leaner than he's been in some time. Patrick Mahomes has had an entire offseason of nobody expecting shit from the Kansas City Chiefs. And last taste of football that he has, ass beating by the Philadelphia Eagles. What Schrager's saying too about how Jordan beat Isaiah Thomas and LeBron beat the Celtics and the Pistons.

1:40:36In this situation, Mahomes is more so the Jordan and LeBron, and Josh Allen is more so the Isaiah Thomas Dumars. He just hasn't got it done yet.

1:40:46Pat McAfee:And there's a chance Josh Allen's career ends with him winning six straight Super Bowls. Bingo. There's a chance that their team could win. And there's a chance. I'll give you this on Mahomes. But then there's a chance Patrick Mahomes wins for the next 15 years. And he never gets to his home. Mahomes has been to seven straight conference championship games. I mean, insane stuff. That's pretty good. It's all he's ever done. He just goes. It's crazy. Here's the thing on my home. So you're seeing there's this new documentary on the Chiefs run for three. That's going to be on ESPN and Disney+. I believe they announced it yesterday.

1:41:16It's going to be on August 14th. I have a friend who worked on that.

1:41:19Pat McAfee:Really? That's cool. And it's going to be amazing. And I saw some sneak peek stuff. But this is the cool story. And I don't think they'd have a problem with me sharing this. Spoiler! They lose the Super Bowl. And it's like, you know, walking out of that stadium the way it went. Like, Brett Veach is beside himself. Mahomes is beside himself Chris Jones is devastated Tuesday morning Mahomes is in the gym and Mahomes is working out remember the Super Bowl ends Sunday night at like 1am and they've got their cameras here for this kingdom this whole thing which I think is going to be awesome and Mahomes is working out that Tuesday morning and this is the same stuff that you might say oh whatever every player is this is Michael Jordan last dance stuff this is when we lose to the Pistons we get in the gym that morning and we encourage scotty pippen to get and follow the lead we encourage horace grant i just think they are so dialed in and they had that picture of him at the party with britney in there and he's got a little dad bod and everyone had their fun with that like he reads and hears everything mahomes is a killer i think this is actually the last thing you want to do is start questioning mahomes's dedication or his fitness and what they have because truth be told they got better on the offensive line they're gonna have healthy wide receivers they added some talent on the defensive side like i don't know kansas city you start questioning them and you start considering how they lost that super bowl and how embarrassed they were i i wouldn't be shocked if they come out guns blazing to start the season yeah i'm pretty pumped to watch this particular team like legit i don't know who's blocking and that whole thing uh for him let's assume andy reed will figure that all out i just have faith in veach and andy reed but patrick mahomes being the guy that is washed in some people's eyes he's a cool little thing that's a cool little thing for Patrick Mahomes to get to oh it's coming in.

1:43:02Like what can you do? You have to find ways to motivate yourself and what's going to motivate me? What's the chip on the shoulder this year? Well it might as well be everyone taking a crap all over me and my physique. You know like whatever it is. They took a crap on it? You're saying like through a hammock? Figuratively speaking.

1:43:18Pat McAfee:I'm not related to him. But I did see that he enjoyed that type of stuff. Through a hammock. They mush it through there? Do you feel like there's really a contingent of people who are really counting? Like Mahomes and the Chiefs. Like, ah, the best is behind. Is that, like, real? Broncos are the most bad team to win a division in the NFL. What are their odds? Their odds are probably, like, awesome. Plus 240. And what are their Chiefs' odds to win? Probably even. Minus 240. So, I don't know. But I think people watch the ass-beating of the Super Bowl. Yeah. I think we're a pretty simple species, humans.

1:43:59I think the Ravens are favored over them in the AFC. They're not the Super Bowl favorites out of the AFC this year. That's based on what Las Vegas is saying, not even my opinion.

1:44:10Pat McAfee:Baltimore signed Chuck Pagano. That's right. We did. Huge. Fucking odds moved. I mean, they're all the same. They're all the same. They're the third team. And that's not disrespectful. It's just those two teams. People think they're going to break through. Maybe that's fair. They're plus 750. I haven't seen one bad thing about Mahomes this year. I remember the body thing, Schrager, but you just said that their O-line is going to be better, and last year all we did was talk about how Joe Tooney might be the greatest left guard in the history of football. How is their O-line better when they lose a Hall of Fame guard?

1:44:45That's fair. I'm talking about the left side. I mean, they got Josh Simmons in the draft, obviously. You got me. Tooney is, and he was their MVP last year. He stepped in and played left tackle. I'm like, wait a second. Nah, you know what? That's a pretty good call. Pretty good question mark. Pretty good question mark. The draft is a buzz.

1:45:06Pat McAfee:Once again, though, we just assume Veach and Andy Reid will figure it out. They can draft two guards in the fifth round, and I would think that one of those two guys can all day. No, they could draft two guards. Not that Veach would ever miss like this, but there's a chance you draft a guard to replace him, and the guy stinks and doesn't fit in with your group. The offensive line is so fickle and so important, I think. They have done such a good job drafting. You have to give them the faith on that. But I was thinking more of the left side, where Tooney was playing out of position, and it was unbelievable, and they got two different guys.

1:45:34They got more of the free agent, and then, of course, Simmons, who everyone says if he's healthy and when he's healthy is probably the steal of the draft at that part in the draft. So we'll see. I saw Jordan Mailata.

1:45:44Pat McAfee:Oh, God. Holy shit. He's a big sumbitch. How is that a lob? How is he going to play rugby? He can punt. You have the rugby highlights? What did he say? Did he say? No, that was the guy we talked to from Australia. He said he had a cracking left foot. Also a legend. Legend. Absolutely. Also a weapon. Who was that? Who was from Australia? You just met one of his boys? No, this is another Aussie that was out there. I don't want to give it away too much. The guy's awesome. Don't worry about it. The world will meet him through this show at some point. That was my first time meeting him. I'm like, would like this guy in my life a little bit more.

1:46:15Pat McAfee:I have a cracking left foot, mate. Cracking left foot. But Mailata, I believe he played rugby, right? He's a rugby guy? Yes. Oh, rugby. Could you imagine no pads trying to tackle that thing? Good luck. So he's gigantic. that sings. He's on the Rabbitohs. That was his team, the Rabbitohs. I remember. He was out at the ESPYs. I saw him a bunch. He was cool. Incredibly. Massive dude. Cool guy. Got so good at football. Love Stout Stoutland. Stoutland, a line coach. He's like, at least basically do whatever he says, man. I'm like, that's smart. Feels like that's a good play. Jalen Carter. We talked about it a little bit.

1:46:48Pat McAfee:Jalen Carter, he's more built like Aaron Donald than I thought. I thought he would be taller. Not 340. He's like, yeah, he's nimble. He's like Aaron Donald. So whenever you see him, he clearly has leverage on everybody. I thought he was 6 '8". Yeah, me too. In my mind, the stories you hear, Baby Rhino, everything, it's like, okay, this guy is massive. No, he's just wildly strong. Yeah, very strong. He might be the strongest guy. He might be the best defensive lineman in football. The best defensive player. Yeah, no question. You meet him, and he's just like, holy, what a weapon. That entire Eagles team was there.

1:47:24Pat McAfee:It's like, why weren't you at the ESPYs? That feels like a Schreger, doesn't it? It totally is. I would be there in like a gold suit. And fortunately, I was hosting Get Up that day. So I was doing the derby stuff while you were at the derby. I was doing Get Up. So I was always like starting the day for the Pat McAfee show of later in the day. Oh, very nice of you kicking that off. You could have used our set though at both these places to do these shows. Fair enough. Okay, next year. I saw Kirk Herbstreit puttin. I was jealous. I wanted to get in on all that. That looked fun. Kirk Herbstreit fresh out of a five-month hiatus.

1:47:53Must be nice. Oh, man. Those guys. He earned it 30 years. 30 years.

1:47:59Pat McAfee:30 years. 30 years. 30 years. He's earned it. He's earned it, I think. He worked his ass off during the season. That's all I keep telling him is, like, you've earned this just disappearing for five months, going to 50 different beaches. Matt, who was the coolest guy you hadn't met or gal at the ESPYs? Like, first time you met. Jerry Judy. Buy a mile. Buy a mile. Jerry Judy's the guy. Yeah, we loved him. I want Jerry Judy in a New England Patriots or Colts or Packers or Steelers or any of D-Bucks' teams so bad so we can follow him. Yeah, I'm pulling for the Browns now because Jerry Judy. Tell me, what about him?

1:48:32Just electric personality?

1:48:33Pat McAfee:He's a South Florida boy. I mean, that is all you need to know. Who's the coolest guy you know, Schrager? The coolest guy I know? Jerry Judy, apparently. Triple it. Yeah, exactly. Good answer. He was awesome. I saw him. I was in the elevator upon checking with him and his crew. And the interaction between us was epic. I mean, it was sweet interaction. He had a great group around him. So then I go to my room, and then I get changed like 15, 20 minutes, come back to the elevator. We're in this elevator going back down. Same exact plans, whatever it was. We're going to our room. Then we're coming back down.

1:49:08Pat McAfee:So I spent a lot of time with Jerry Judy immediately upon getting in. Pretty personal space, so a lot of chit-chat. Then we leave the place. I come back. Jerry Judy and his boys are right in the middle of the lobby. So I see him again. So I'm like, hey, we're doing a show tomorrow. Just come through whenever you want to come through. We'd love to have you or whatever. He goes, all right, bet. Then next morning I wake up. There he is. Fucking Jerry Judy. Again, I saw him. It was like our schedules were the exact same. There's hundreds of people in this hotel, if not thousands of people in this hotel at this time.

1:49:38Pat McAfee:Everybody has different things. Me and Jerry Judy's schedules were just like at the exact same time. He was going to get a workout in. He was like, when I get back from this workout, I'll come over. I'm like, sweet. He went over to UCLA, I think. Then he came back, walked over. was not a golfer at all, rolled a pretty good couple putts. And then we go to the ESPYs, he's sitting right behind us. I mean, it was just like, this guy was awesome. He was cool the entire time. I love that. That's a story I love, Pat, because we know these guys as fantasy football players, what they do on Sundays, but I love hearing that off the field in July, this guy was the man.

1:50:09Pat McAfee:Electric. And he was just trying to like, literally, and then we go to Shane's after party, Jerry Judy's there. I mean, it was literally, we saw him everywhere. And every time, by the end of it, But it was like, Jerry, what up, man? What up, man, Jerry? I think Connor even like – When we were at the Espes, yeah, because since he came on the program to do the putting on Wednesday, when we were at the Espes, I just saw him wandering around. So I was like, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, over here. Which we never do when we're in these – And then he came over and he hung out for 20 minutes before we went in.

1:50:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, I felt like Jerry Judy's the guy that I'm pulling for this year strictly after the – I gave it out of quarterback. Yeah, I figured it out. What's that? Got to figure out a quarterback. I got four quarterbacks. Yeah, he's trying. You got four. You got one. I tried to get it out of him. Who's been doing what? Who's, you know, separating themselves? And he said, you know, great group, great group of guys. But he's coming off a career year. Since he's coming to the league, that's kind of been a thing. Obviously, as a wide receiver, you need a good quarterback, you need a good play caller, good offensive line.

1:51:04But when he was coming out in that draft, and even when he was at Bama, like, he was picked as, like, one of the next guys. So, glad he got paid. And as a wide receiver, you always want to see good wide receivers play with good quarterbacks, good organization.

1:51:16Pat McAfee:My first time talking to him in an elevator, I was like, do you live out here or where do you live in the offseason? And he goes, I'm a Florida boy. You know that. That was his only answer. And I started laughing. I was like, of course. Yeah, yeah. I get it. You from Florida people. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get it. You did Game Day, obviously, with him a million times and he was killer. But I've met him several times. Like Shane Gillis is the most normal guy you'll ever meet. Like the best. Like just incredible. Just as if he had never been a superstar and isn't selling out stadiums. Every interaction I've had with him, he is just the coolest, most low-key, hilarious guy.

1:51:52Pat McAfee:Shane is hilarious. He's the right guy for the job. No doubt. That's just why he's the right guy for his job that he's doing currently. He is the right guy for it. And, yeah, we've known him a while now. Very lucky to know him for a long time. Football guy, dude. He's a football guy. You hear some of the locker room when you hear Shane talking. the locker room in like 2004 5, 6 it's like a nostalgia trip every time he's talking it's like yeah we're right back in it when I spoke to him last year he wanted to ask me how I was at the college football video game because he had just gotten it and was so into it I'm like that's a normal guy alright you're playing the college football video game and also he would beat the fucking brakes off you in that game I would assume there's been a couple times I've talked to him and we're gaming and I have to get like an answer out of him Uh-huh.

1:52:40Pat McAfee:Sorry, dude. Sorry. What's that? And then we're back in there. It's like, all right, good luck out there, man. I'm pulling for you. He's the right man for the job, as are you. We appreciate you joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, insider analyst, Peter Strager. Yeah, Strager. Love when Strager comes on. Yeah, he's the man. Talk about everything.

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1:53:47Pat McAfee:All right, we'll continue digitally YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, and TikTok live on this glorious training camp Tuesday. 26 teams reported today. What will we talk about tomorrow? Well, probably the final two teams reporting and all the other shit that's going on. Will Trey Hendrickson be an employed football player tomorrow? No. Or is he just retiring and saying, I'm gone? We'll see. What a cliff. Oh, my God. Great tease. Okay. Because he could just retire. What if he goes out on a boat today, catches a swordfish, post a photo holding that thing. This is my new profession. I retire. Toss the swordfish back out there.

1:54:19Pat McAfee:Maybe he puts Brian's face on it. Yeah. Toss it back in. He goes. Fuck this. KVD reaches out. Hey, man. Saw the fish you pulled. I think you got a lot of talent. I want to take you under my wing. Hey, Kevin Van Dam might see some potential. 35 million a year. It's out there fishing. Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt. Have you seen what those guys in Ohio did? They were trying to rack it up. Yeah. They were putting the weights in the fish. Are they still free men? They're in jail. KVD shot him in the head with a hook. Trey might get traded tomorrow. Maybe. What, Edge? How would that? I guess if someone, he would have to agree, the new team would have to agree most likely to give him a new deal.

1:54:55Yeah, that's classic this situation here. You think it would happen? Yeah.

1:54:59Pat McAfee:I think he's like, hey, he said it since Radio 0. He would love it. No, I think he would love it. Absolutely. I'm just saying, I don't know if it's going to happen. Yeah. Commanders, Panthers, Packers. Bengals really need edge rushers, too. They do, too, but they don't want to pay theirs. AJ speaking as a Cincinnati Bengals fan. Yeah, we're one of those teams. We drafted a guy. He's still not in the building. But it's just ignorant to think, like, tomorrow all of a sudden this is going to get – this has been going on since the Super Bowl. And Schragg's just said it. Like, hey, they're not giving in to what he wants at all.

1:55:29And I think him leaving, it's like he's far past giving in to what they want. I think Mike Brown said that, too. Yeah. It's hard to see.

1:55:38Pat McAfee:Goofy. I should get that guy a hat. Well, Mike Brown. He was indoors. He's trying to pay respect. Isn't Trey fined a shit ton under the new CBA, too, for actually not being there? Because that's why all the hold-ins happened. I assume he's willing to take the game checks gone. I mean, but Mike Brown acting like, hey, this guy needs to play his contract. He signed a contract. And I get that. This isn't how it works in the NFL for any of these guys. And on their side, the way they view contracts. You cut guys? You sign 100 guys to contracts every single day, every single year. Yeah, going into the last year, you get a new contract.

1:56:15Now, granted, I think what Mr.

1:56:19Pat McAfee:Brown also wasn't referencing is, so we told him the last two years we'd get him next year. Big deal. I lied. That happens. I lie all the time. Guess what we told him again this year? We'll get you next year. Yeah. And he bought it. He's an idiot. He bought it. We're not getting him this year. Let the league of sacks. Well, we'll get you next year. Well, I'm a free agent next year. Everybody has... That's what I'm saying. Yeah. We'll get you. We priced you right whenever we gave you that deal. Well, why'd you tell me the last two offseason you'd give me next year? We thought maybe we would. It shut you up, didn't it?

1:56:54Pat McAfee:The Shamar Stewart thing. I love him going. his representation's telling him something that doesn't make any sense to us but it's not Shamar's fault it is the people around him's fault and I don't even know how we get past that is what the Bengals that sounds like it's a dire situation as well unless Shamar could babyface this Shamar could babyface this now it involved getting new representation yeah like that'd be an easy way to kind of do it and I'm not saying you should do that I understand him and his agent probably have a great relationship, and they obviously trust each other mightily to cause this big of a situation.

1:57:28Pat McAfee:But if Shamar, the player, really wanted to babyface this thing, easy, new representation, yeah, this is what we want to do. I'm committed to the Bengals. And then that thing turns immediately. Now, I'm not saying the agent necessarily wants to be the bad cop in this whole thing, but if we're trying to make Shamar babyface in Cincinnati quickly, that can happen. That is something that can. The Trey Hendrickson thing, I don't know if there's any. That feels not good. That's done. That feels not good. So maybe he is traded tomorrow. Could be. Do you think Shamar, and I don't think this is the case, but do you think it's possible that – It sure feels like this is something that – No, I'm just saying.

1:58:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, this is something. I just throw it out. Do you think it's possible that, like, he planned to rob a bank in three years? And he was just, I'm not signing this thing. And do you think he told the – He told him. Told him that? Hey, I'm going to be good. I'm going to give everything I got to you guys for the next two years. Year three, I am planning to rob a bank. So, Mr. Brown, have you ever seen the movie Inside Man? This guy moves into the bank. Takes time. While robbing it. I always have wanted to find out if that is executable. So I'm going to try that in the next four or five years. That's just a heads up.

1:58:36Pat McAfee:You take that information however you want. Mike Brown goes, thank you for that information. If I get arrested, I would still like to be paid. I saw you didn't have that clause in your contract, so you will have to pay me. So Mike Brown goes back into the think tank. He goes, can't pay this guy. He told me he's going to fucking rob a bank. He's serious. You want me to pay a guy that's in prison for robbing a bank? I don't think so. And then he even said, what's the one these players like to do nowadays? We're talking about laws. He did. He did. Did you hear that? Which part is that? I don't know if I remember that part.

1:59:05Pat McAfee:I don't want to play it because it's so terrible. It is very bad. It's like if a guy goes to prison for, and then he says something, he goes, that's seemingly what everybody's doing these days. That's the only one I can think of. Yeah. I'm serious. This whole thing is a nightmare. PR-wise. A really bad thing, too. Yeah, it's not good. Not a good thing. Not a good thing. Isn't there normal conduct detrimental to the team situations? Is this above and beyond that that they're trying to ask you more or what? So I think that conduct detrimental void penalties for rookie contracts is in what we heard, like half the league.

1:59:38Pat McAfee:The Bengals not being a part of that half until this year is a surprise to all of us. We would assume that the Bengals would have been in the, hey, we can void guarantees if you do something wrong. Because that is the Bengals' MO too. How can we save as much money as possible, especially if it's free? If it's available, you would think that the Bengals would utilize it. So the Bengals tried to utilize that this year. They didn't do it last year. This is from how we understand the story at this moment, from here and from both sides. So now he's being told we're not your guinea pigs or something new.

2:00:08Pat McAfee:But if he was drafted to 15 other teams, they would have done it as well. So it's a tough thing to kind of, I think, rally. Allegedly, yeah. it's tough thing to rally with the information that we have right now but right now it's like conduct detrimental they can use that against you for the rest of your life i got conduct detrimental uh for a tweet that is still on the internet saying i did not delete the tweet it was a good tweet and then i get a fifty thousand dollar fine for conduct that what team was was this detrimental to i think this was not well you can't do that well i'm not taking it down i don't think it's wrong at all it was a distraction that's detrimental distraction who I played my best fucking game.

2:00:45Pat McAfee:Well, it misrepresented who we are. It's detrimental to the team. I'm like, oh, so you can just use this. You had a tweet, too? You can just use this for anything. Actually, two of Aval, former Bangle. Me and Ocho kind of going back and forth. And you're fine for it? Yeah. Why don't you let him know? Just wait until we run cover two on you, motherfucker. He was kind of saying, yeah, double team, blah, blah. And I was like, it's going to be me and you. Me and you, no double team, blah. And Bill was like, he waited until like Saturday. We used to do a Saturday walkthrough. We, you know, Saturday pregame kind of walked through.

2:01:14He just waited and, Buck, come here. Boom. Had, like, just the sheets of just the back and forth printed out from fucking Burge. I gave it to him. And then it just went down. And then he kind of detrimentally told me I was basically giving away the game plan, essentially. But it was worth it. We won the game.

2:01:32Pat McAfee:Still up there. I got one of these printed out to me as well. Well, he had one for himself. and he slid across the table for me to look at. Wanted to watch me take in what I was looking at. And what I saw was a phenomenal post. Fucking great caption. That's fucking perfectly captioned. Pretty good, right? Perfectly captioned. The photo of the electrical outlet as if I was Mr. Kennedy!

2:02:08Pat McAfee:Kennedy! was awesome. If you knew wrestling, it was beautiful. I even blurred out all the other stuff so it looked like it was a portrait photo. Caption was spot on for what my life would become whenever I retired as well. So I looked at that thing and I was like, yeah, I should frame this fucking thing. That was not the way it went. It went the complete opposite way. It certainly was. Mine weren't worth it. Ocho had like a buck 40 on me. That was detrimental. It was a blowout. They were down like 30 and a half times so Carson it just me back there we're playing two man just a lot of those yeah well let's get the hell out of here huh hell yeah this guy could get arrested can they get super specific how specific can you get could you go back and say hey all right if i am convicted of a crime you don't owe me my guarantees like does it get that like in depth i guess in negotiations it can be anything right like we had to negotiate actual words on what we're allowed to say and what we weren't allowed to say and that was like i sent a pool of words that i would like to be said they responded i took a stand i gave some up and then those words were put into the contract okay okay so yes i think you can add anything into a contract like that but i assume the browns are going to think of a lot of different what if he goes swimming and drowns dies i don't want to pay a dead guy no way what of this guy you think you think like the amount of things they could they could continue to think of what if he gets on a train and in a moment of panic he gets out of the train jumps in front of the train gets run over by the train i don't want to pay a guy that just got run over by a fucking train do you want to pay a guy where he's much i can think of any jerry jones saying he get hit by a car think of these these billionaires he get hit by a car he get arrested he gets shot in the face He could drown.

2:03:53Pat McAfee:All these things. It's like, yo, you've got to pay people. This is fucking, this is the game. Well, then you hear Shamar Stewart talk, and it's like, oh, okay. We love Shamar Stewart. So I definitely think this guy knows what he's doing, but it's just that middleman. You never know what's happening with who's in Shamar's ear. What's that called? A reliable? Reliable narrator. Narrator, yeah. A reliable narrator is a big deal because they're the ones reading through the contract explaining what is going on. Just like whenever somebody decides to summarize an article or a bill or anything that's happening, it's like you've got to be very careful about who you're trusting that is summarizing it.

2:04:30Pat McAfee:What pieces of information are they leaving out? What piece of information are they presenting? What story are they trying to tell? You have to have a reliable person telling you those things. And everything we've heard from Shemar, we love, seems very smart and clever. Charming. That is a promo from Rob Van Dam About the heartbreak kid Shawn Michaels But it was like whenever we first heard this About Shamar I think our immediate reaction Was like dude It's the NFL What are you doing This league will exist without you This young dipshit needs to shut his mouth Then we heard him talk and we're like Holy fuck We really like that guy Very rational human And then we started hearing the entire thing, and it's like, oh, I don't know.

2:05:20Pat McAfee:And then we start getting more information about more teams doing it. It's like, ugh. The agent. Don't want this to go bad. We like Shamar. We think he could be a great NFL player if he plays, right? Just needs a bunch of reps. But also, this doesn't feel like the hill you want to die on to start your entire NFL career. You obviously wish you would have went to a team that is still going to give you your guarantees if something happens. But it feels like, from what we've been told, it's less than half. So it's like, what situation are you really in? What war do you want to start? Pros and cons.

2:05:45Pat McAfee:How do you want to do it? It's just very fascinating. Just to start your career. Only two unsigned guys, right? The whole class? Yeah. Him and Quenchon. Him and Jadkins. Yeah, I mean, they got it figured out. Gotcha. Yeah. They need him. They need him on the field. He knows that. Don't you think his agent and Shamar, they understand? Like, hey, they have some leverage here, I guess. Well, that's like Shuck. Shuck might be their starter. Yeah. So he had, like, real leverage everybody thought. He was going to be able to work. So then all the other second rounders were like, Yep. He's going to get it.

2:06:15This guy's later than us, right?

2:06:16Pat McAfee:He's a starting quarter. That New Orleans situation is fascinating. I'll be excited to see what they are this year. Still got a lot of dogs. I believe they're dead last. No one's expected much. They could surprise some people. For real, people are like forgetting about them, I feel like. They still have dogs on their team. Yeah. Yeah, two of those. D-butt. Their quarterback room is loaded. You think Governor Jett Landry is going to have a bad football team? Training camp. You know, everybody, 32 teams. What did Tone say earlier? Jets can win it. Oh, yeah, everybody. Governor Jett Landry is going to make sure that.

2:06:46Pat McAfee:That Superdome is as super as possible. And it will be super, but... Did you see... Let's move on. Let's get out of here. What are we going to see? Oh, man. Well, we talked about a Truth Social post yesterday about a name of a team. Yeah. And we just read it for what it was. I got a couple emails from people saying I shouldn't say that word. Okay? Which I understand. There's passion on both sides of it. I believe President Trump was just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize by Native Americans. I believe. that just happened. And Governor Jeff Landry was the one that announced that because I believe that particular group is based in Louisiana.

2:07:25Pat McAfee:So it's an interesting time to be alive right now for sure. We're trying to get it right, you know? But boy, how could you? You know? How the fuck can you? How could you? How can you? I have no idea. But just know all we're trying to do is make every day a little better. And we appreciate everybody that follows along. We're the luckiest dudes on earth that we get to talk about sports every single day. We love sports. Sports are happening. In a big way. All the time. AJ, great hair. You've grown it out this year? Yeah, I don't know. Before we get out, you mentioned no, no, it's not like that. You mentioned drowning.

2:07:59Lost a legend. Yeah, for sure. Bob Warner, man. Oh my God. Be safe out there. Absolute legend. I grew up, you know, I'm sure we all watched the Cosby's growing up, but he, you know, Theo, absolute legend. So that was That was tough yesterday. Got that news, I think, right after we got on the show, when we were in the think tank and all of us kind of had a similar reaction. So, obviously, be safe when you're out there swimming anywhere, especially in the ocean. But tough, tough loss to everybody out there. So, rest in peace to an absolute legend.

2:08:24Pat McAfee:Yeah, rest in peace. Society lost a great one. The water shit. Scary. So scary. The ocean is scary. The riptide thing, you know, like, you have no idea what's going on underneath that water. No. No idea. So I live on water now. About 45 minutes north here, there's a lake that I live on. And every once in a while, the tide will get rolling in there. And you see people get in the water and then them just rolling. It's like, what's that? It's a lake. You have no idea. And then it'll just flip and go the other way. It's scary. And that sucks for society. Sucks for society. Also, breaking news. I believe Ozzy Osbourne has passed away.

2:09:07No way. He just did his last. Yeah, last concert. Yeah, they went home.

2:09:10Pat McAfee:And age of 76, Ozzy Osbourne has sadly passed away. He says Disgusting Film. Damn. Sat down and performed, what was that, last weekend? Yeah. I think over in England, and they're coming home. Basically, every rock band that is alive went over there and celebrated him and his band. And man, I remember the reality show. I remember, Sharon! Yeah. The whole thing. What a weapon. Well, rest in peace to the legends that we lose. Yep. And let's enjoy the hell out of the days that we have. We have no idea what's tomorrow. Right? Very true. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice about changing your life.

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