PMS 2.0 1380 - Ian Rapoport, Kyle Busch, Brownie the Elf Debuts New Cleveland Browns Alternate Helmets, Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

23 Jul 2025 · 1 h 56 min · 47 chapters

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In short

The show celebrates the return of football and runs through NFL training-camp storylines, then pivots into special teams/returner talk with guests. It also covers contract news (Cowboys/ Bengals) and a holdout (Commanders’ Terry McLaurin). Cleveland Browns alternate helmet talk appears via “Brownie the Elf” debut.

Guests (backgrounds)

  • Ian Rapoport: Senior NFL insider (NFL Network/NFL.com), host of “Rap Sheet and Friends.”
  • Kyle Busch: NASCAR driver (appears as a guest during the camp/football kickoff segment).
  • Brownie the Elf: Cleveland Browns mascot character; appears for the alternate-helmet debut bit.
  • Dan Orlovsky: Former NFL quarterback and analyst (joins for the camp/guest discussion).
  • Darius Butler: Former NFL defensive back and analyst; 9-year NFL vet.
  • AJ Hawk: Former NFL linebacker and analyst; college football national champion and Super Bowl champion.

Key claims

  • Training camp focus: quarterback competitions and early “good on good” matchups.
  • Special teams: returners are elite athletes; punters/coverage gameplans revolve around them.
  • Football officiating can slow/affect games; replay/chain-spotting should be reduced.
  • Cowboys/Bengals contract dispute: Trey Hendrickson’s issue is guaranteed money, not total value.
  • Micah Parsons likely gets paid last among the Cowboys’ top deal talks.

Notable examples

  • Shane Lechler (Hall of Fame punter) stories: pat-and-go, punting to Tyreek Hill, and returner matchups.
  • Returner comparisons: Tyreek Hill, Antonio Brown, Deion “Pac-Man” Jones, Devin Hester, Julian Edelman, Dante Hall.
  • Contract/holdout: Terry McLaurin seeking a deal in the 30s; McLaurin is in Washington and doing yoga while talks continue.

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Chapters

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Training Camp Insights

0:56 to 2:22

Discussion on NFL training camps, quarterback competitions, and team storylines.

“Everything that was happening in the sport.”

Shane Leckler's Arrival

2:22 to 3:56

Introduction of Shane Leckler, discussing his career and contributions to the game.

“Nine-year NFL vet, Derry State Butler's here.”

Punting and the Hall of Fame

3:56 to 4:38

Shane Leckler reflects on his career and the importance of getting a Hall of Fame nod.

“as somebody who punted and somebody who's been nominated now three times for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.”

State of the Game and Officiating

4:38 to 6:36

Discussion about the current state of football, rules, and officiating concerns.

“Are you getting the itch to go back and punt?”

Tyron Matthew's Career and Impact

6:36 to 12:06

Shane Leckler shares insights on Tyron Matthew's career and leadership qualities.

“Because, of course, I played for Al Davis.”

College Football Traditions

12:06 to 14:00

Discussion on college football traditions, specifically Texas A&M and personal anecdotes.

“A lot of platforms have a lot of football.”

College Memories and Championship Reflections

14:00 to 15:00

The speakers reminisce about their college days and the camaraderie of their football team.

“a family that didn't have that much money.”

Dan Campbell's Coaching Persona

15:00 to 16:40

Discussion about Dan Campbell's work ethic and his unique coaching style.

“It was him, Datwin, was the linebacker then, and it was just a great, I guess, probably the tightest team I've ever been around.”

Strengths of Elite Teams and Players

16:40 to 19:20

Analyzing the attributes that make great teams and players, including personal anecdotes.

“Yeah, I think that's going to be tough for him to ever be a vegan.”

Special Teams and Punt Returners

19:20 to 23:02

Insights about the challenges of punting and stories involving famous returners.

“Yeah, Antonio Brown, Tyree Kill, obviously Devin Hester.”
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Camping and the NFL Training Camp

23:02 to 24:00

Transition into the NFL training camp, discussing teams reporting and preparations.

“And we all wish that you guys would just be cool down there.”

Team Insights and Player Performances

24:00 to 28:01

Overview of player performances and highlights from training camps across the league.

“is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner.”

Training Camp Highlights

28:01 to 29:18

Learn about the excitement and key matchups during training camp.

“And aren't both these guys Bama boys too?”

Dallas Cowboys Practice Insights

29:19 to 31:29

Insights into the Dallas Cowboys' practice, focusing on player dynamics and strategies.

“Sidearm, good connection, great chemistry.”

Contract Negotiation Challenges

31:30 to 35:27

Discussion on the complexities of player contracts and negotiations in the NFL.

“congrats to him, get that deal done three years early or two years early?”

The Importance of Guaranteed Money

35:28 to 38:18

Explore why guaranteed money is crucial for NFL players during contract talks.

“But my sense is that Micah ends up last and most.”

Terry McLaurin's Holdout Situation

38:19 to 40:52

Update on Terry McLaurin's holdout and the ongoing talks with the Washington front office.

“And that is why he wants the guaranteed money.”

Playful Banter with Brownie the Elf

42:00 to 44:59

The hosts engage in humorous exchanges while interacting with Brownie the Elf.

“Think he's going to talk to you, Conman?”

Kyle Busch Joins the Show

45:00 to 48:08

Kyle Busch discusses his upcoming race and the competitive nature of NASCAR.

“When you see that counting down, you only have 25 minutes.”

The Evolution of Racing Cars

48:09 to 51:08

Kyle Busch explains how advancements in engineering have changed NASCAR vehicles.

“There's just guys that are out there that just have more potential.”

Racing Movies and Real-Life Comparisons

51:09 to 55:41

Kyle Busch shares insights on how racing films like 'Days of Thunder' reflect reality.

“We're just so big and we're so heavy and we don't have the downforce either.”

NASCAR and Kyle Busch's Visit

56:05 to 56:40

Discussion about Kyle Busch's visit and NASCAR's presence.

“Happy 250th birthday to the United States of America.”

NASCAR and Kyle Busch's Visit

57:33 to 58:20

Discussion about Kyle Busch's visit and NASCAR's presence.

“So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for.”

Excitement for NFL Training Camps

58:30 to 1:00:40

Hosts express excitement about NFL training camps starting.

“We appreciate the hell out of you, honestly.”

Mike Vrabel Press Conference Insights

1:00:40 to 1:04:40

Discussion about Mike Vrabel's press conference and its implications.

“The fact that that guy's still in the league is unbelievable.”

Cleveland Browns Alternate Helmets Reveal

1:04:40 to 1:10:00

Reveal and discussion of the new Cleveland Browns alternate helmets.

“I mean, Ben probably doesn't feel that way.”

Cleveland Browns New Helmets and Mascot

1:10:00 to 1:15:25

Discussion about the unveiling of the new Cleveland Browns alternate helmets and the mascot Brownie.

“offshore from Huntington Bank Field yesterday.”

Brewers' Burger Promotion

1:15:25 to 1:17:06

Exploring the Milwaukee Brewers' promotion involving free burgers and its historical context.

“Brewers almost gave away the city of Milwaukee.”

Baseball Trade Rumors and Performances

1:17:06 to 1:18:36

Analysis of current baseball trade rumors and standout player performances, including Eugenio Suarez.

“He's hit five homers in, like, the last three games.”

Baseball Trade Rumors and Performances

1:19:10 to 1:19:39

Analysis of current baseball trade rumors and standout player performances, including Eugenio Suarez.

“You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome?”

Conversation with Dan Orlovsky

1:19:41 to 1:24:00

Engaging dialogue with Dan Orlovsky discussing various topics including NFL and personal anecdotes.

“Last time I seen you in this vehicle, you all over yourself.”

Pittsburgh Steelers' Super Bowl Chances

1:24:00 to 1:25:18

Discussing the Pittsburgh Steelers' potential and current roster strengths.

“I hadn't even thought of it until he mentioned it.”

AFC Contenders Overview

1:25:18 to 1:26:24

Exploring which teams might contend in the AFC besides the usual suspects.

“even though people wouldn't give a lot of credit to either of them or football players for that.”

Houston and Denver's Potential

1:26:24 to 1:27:28

Analyzing Houston and Denver's potential for a successful season.

“I'm going to tell you, I think Houston's going to be awesome this year.”

Innovative Quarterback Drills

1:27:28 to 1:29:00

Discussing unique drills and strategies for quarterbacks to improve their game.

“But the Chargers, I want to see how good their weapons play on the outside.”

Quarterback Skills and Ball Placement

1:29:00 to 1:30:28

The importance of ball placement and quarterback skills in the NFL.

“You could tell he was a big fan of the drill.”

Aaron Rodgers' Unique Skills

1:30:28 to 1:32:49

Sharing insights and anecdotes about Aaron Rodgers' exceptional throwing ability.

“Yeah, Aaron's ball placement is as good as anybody's.”

Anthony Richardson's Development

1:32:49 to 1:36:18

Discussing the growth and challenges faced by quarterback Anthony Richardson.

“If you've got a guy that can spin it, I mean, that is a great place to be now.”

Pressure on Quarterbacks in the NFL

1:36:18 to 1:38:01

Exploring the pressures and responsibilities that come with being an NFL quarterback.

“And you talk about taking, like, first down, second down, third down, check down seriously and everything like that.”

Pressure on Young Quarterbacks

1:38:01 to 1:41:31

Discussing the pressure young quarterbacks face and the expectations from their teams.

“But that's just the reality of that position.”

High Hopes for the Cowboys

1:41:32 to 1:45:18

Exploring expectations for Dak Prescott and the Cowboys this season.

“I honestly don't, but for some reason, I'm really, really high on Dak Prescott and the Cowboys.”

Dan Orlovsky's Insights

1:45:19 to 1:46:44

Dan Orlovsky shares his thoughts on team dynamics and player responsibilities.

“when he had to throw for like 38 touchdowns for them to win some games, I think they'll be a little bit more balanced on offense, but more big play centric.”

Preparing for Football Season

1:46:45 to 1:48:29

The hosts discuss the upcoming football season and their plans for coverage.

“All right, we appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen.”

Latrobe: City Name Debate

1:48:30 to 1:50:19

A light-hearted discussion about the pronunciation of Latrobe and its significance.

“We're going to be at both of those things.”

A Sincere Apology

1:50:20 to 1:52:01

The host reflects on a past incident involving misinformation and offers a heartfelt apology.

“And then the people of Latrobe say it's Latrobe.”

Reflecting on a Viral Story and Its Impact

1:52:01 to 1:54:59

Learn about the host's heartfelt apology regarding a viral story and its consequences.

“Maybe show some people some love, like I got to do.”

Reflecting on a Viral Story and Its Impact

1:55:03 to 1:55:28

Learn about the host's heartfelt apology regarding a viral story and its consequences.

“That's why State Farm gets to know you so they can help personalize coverage for your life and budget.”
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Transcript

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0:00Pat McAfee:Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on the NFL's Back Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025. This program begins now. Football! It's all the way back. Don't look now. All 32 teams are in their training camp. Don't look now. Next Thursday is the Hall of Fame game. Don't look now. August 30th is the first college game day. Holy hell, we made it to football. We did it together. We did it having a blast. And thank you to the offseason. Truly impeccable stuff. The NBA run that the Pacers had, so much fun. Jeez Louise. WNBA All-Star Weekend with stud buds down here in Indianapolis.

0:42Pat McAfee:Crushed. Great time. Baseball, so phenomenal. College hoops, you name it. Everything that took place from last football season until now, we would like to give a hearty thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, sports. Thank you, sports. Even Swampin' Air Baseball. That's right. Everything that was happening in the sport. The X Games, I think I saw some craziness take place for the first time in a long time. All the sports things that took place from the Super Bowl when the Philadelphia Eagles just beat the hell out of Kansas City Chiefs, which Patrick Mahomes now has like a spite year coming, which is crazy to think about going in.

1:17Pat McAfee:Until now, thank you. But boys and ladies and olds and youngs, all NFL teams are trying to get a Lombardi. All NFL teams are in a building. All NFL teams have started the journey to the top of the mountain. And for that, we will celebrate. We have Ian Rappaport joining us in about 14 minutes or so. We'll see if he knows anything. We'll see what he knows. Probably not. He's been golfing a lot going to Pez dispenser factories. Yep, that's right. And Legos museums. Yeah, Harry Potter museums. And I believe his kids, currently Max and Jude, are out in the woods for their eighth straight week of the summer.

1:50Pat McAfee:Correct. But nonetheless, we love Rap Sheet. We appreciate Rap Sheet. We can't wait to catch up on everything happening in his world. And also, what do we need to be looking at at these training camps? Obviously, there's quarterback competition in Indianapolis. Early reports are saying it's a close one. Now, there's going to be a lot of chatter about who's going to be the starter here. There's also going to be a lot of chatter about a lot of new starters, more specifically over here in Pittsburgh. How about the New York Jets? How about in Seattle? Nobody's talking about Darnold coming off a potential MVP year.

2:15Pat McAfee:Now he's out in Seattle trying to revive them. Geno Smith in Las Vegas. So many storylines. It's absurd, and we're lucky to be here. The toxic table's here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet, Derry State Butler's here. He'll be fine. And the reason why he's sitting over there is because we've become a little bit of a farm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. A petting zoo of sorts. Mm-hmm. A goat is here. Whoa. Did you hear it walking? I did a little bit. What's the noise that a goat makes? Usually it's like, I'm not 100 % sure if that's a horse or a sheep or anything else you got going on. I think that's it.

2:49Pat McAfee:That's what we heard coming in here because this guy is a little bit of a stallion. A little bit of a stallion as well. Ladies and gentlemen, in my eyes, the goat of punting a football. He was a raider. And he was a Texan. And his ass got fired. Jeez. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who should be in the Hall of Fame yesterday, Shane Leckler. Yay! Thank you, Pat. Good to see you, dude. Man, it's great. This is my first time here. I've seen it on the show a lot. And this place is legit. Okay, thank you. Shane is a man who loves the spotlight. Since retirement, he has tried to find every camera that he possibly can.

3:27Pat McAfee:He hasn't just kind of isolated himself in Texas around his daughter's sports and fishing, I believe, in the Gulf of Mexico. Of America. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Gulf of America. You've been in there closer than I ever have. I've gotten some videos of him hauling ass through the golf with four fishing rods going out the back end, him having the time of his life. And I'm thinking to myself, Shane, you've earned that. You've deserved that. And you know what else you've earned and deserve? Is a Hall of Fame nod. So I just want to let you know, and I would like to let the world know, as somebody who punted and somebody who's been nominated now three times for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

4:02Pat McAfee:Congratulations. No big deal. No big deal. Thank you so much. Chop out. That's certainly real. But with that actually being real, this guy deserves to be in there. We all respect and appreciate the hell out of you. And the way you went about your business was special. He was a guy that would have beers for you for the trip back. You know, that's old school. Hey, you got some beers delivered. Who are these from? Shane Leckler. Enjoy right out of here, boys. Have yourself a good time. You and Sebastian Janikowski, absolutely legendary. You're a nine-time All-Pro, seven-time Pro Bowler. You're a special athlete, dude.

4:33Pat McAfee:Special athlete. I appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you. And a hick, too, which I think we all very much appreciate. Football season around the corner. Are you getting the itch to go back and punt? No, I'm not, but I'm ready to watch some football. It seems like it's been a while. I'm a huge college football fan, but I'm ready to go. I don't miss what the guys are doing right now. Training camp. Yeah. Training camp was great in Napa. Why is that? You guys boozing on it? I mean, the weather was awesome. You had the winery and all that. I don't drink wine, but it was there. You see the big hot air balloons and stuff flying over practice.

5:08you know Napa was fun Janikowski and I played golf almost every single day see that was part

5:13Pat McAfee:of the narrative that when I got into the league about kickers and punters now granted you guys were dogs and I think your teammates absolutely loved you I think you've told us a few stories about uh you know the house that you and Janikowski lived in together and what mornings look like in that place as you were what when were you drafted 2000 what round uh fifth and when was Janikowski drafted first round 17th pick overall same draft same team Al Davison. That's right. We love Al Davison. I love Al. We love Al Davison. He also drafted every person that ran a 4-2. He was specifically drafting for the punt team, I think.

5:48Pat McAfee:And you were the perfect punter for it as you go. Whenever you look at this NFL, are you one of the old heads, because you were in the league for so long, that think the game's soft? Or do you love where the game of football is at right now? Because you, quarterback, college? I don't know if you're a college quarterback. I was a backup quarterback in college. Played a little bit, but that was it. Always spinning it, though. Warm-ups, you know, whenever there's pat and go happening on the field, you're always going to see Shane Leckler on the other side. Probably have something, you know, and then there's going to be a ball spinning.

6:15That was my favorite part of the game was pat and go. Especially if one of the quarterbacks wasn't throwing like well and you get in there and you spin like five perfect balls, you're like, it's just shit together.

6:27Pat McAfee:Put the putter in. I'm ready. Put the putter in. But how do you feel about the state of football? How do you feel about it right now? I mean, I like it. You know, it's high scoring and stuff like that. But there's still – I feel like the officiating is still in the way of some of the stuff. Because, of course, I played for Al Davis. So we always felt that way in Oakland back in the day. And, you know, you can watch how Al was such a maverick. Whenever there was league meetings, it would be 31 yeses and one no. And we all knew who that was. Yeah, literally it was expected that it was Al in the entirety.

6:58So, you know, we kind of grew up after the, I guess, after the tuck rule game against New England. Whenever that happened, it just felt like, dang, you know. The whole world's operating against us.

7:10Pat McAfee:So do you want more technology or less technology? Do you want more phone-in-the-ear to the refs, or do you think that builds for conspiracy fodder? Well, I mean, you know, like the whole bringing the chains and stuff out needs to stop. Like we know when a damn first down is, right? or when you're scoring. You don't need to replay. This would be something to say, yeah, the ball crossed. Let's move on. Yeah, you're talking about. Let's utilize that. They fed baseball up. It seems like some football games are getting slower sometimes to me. Yeah, I agree. I think you want to appreciate that. I still love it.

7:39It's a great game and it's fun to watch and I love the fact that it gave us our livelihood and everything that it gave us, but there's always room for improvement.

7:47Pat McAfee:How do you feel about the players, the goats at the top right now? Patrick Mahomes, special individual. That kid is unbelievable. and you know what whatever they i saw i saw something somewhere i'm not on twitter or instagram i'm not on anything i i'm not even on my own email you know i don't even check it so you need to get a hold of me you call me or text me and i might get you yeah yeah i got but uh you know i saw where somebody kind of made fun of how pat looked at a at a beach or something oh look out he might he may yeah he may break every nfl record this year yeah i think people operate that way.

8:20Pat McAfee:Speaking of players that we have massive respect for and chip on shoulder, I guess, you know, Patrick Mahomes was passed up by a lot of people. We all know this story. Chicago Bears fans are still doing their thing about that entirety. Tyron Matthew, the honey badger, coming out of college, he was the guy at LSU. I mean, he captivated the world. Did he win a Heisman? Finalist. Yeah, finalist. He was a Heisman finalist. Punt returner. I think they give him the ball on the offense. On the defense side of the ball, he was a magnet. I mean, he was electrifying. Obviously, everything that happens with LSU, you know uh maybe a little bit of marijuana okay maybe maybe a little bit of a week still dominant on the field never really everybody talked positively about him it was just a little bit of a different road than we all expected nothing was handed to him i think ba tells a story about drafting him how happy he was and pumped he was and basically was like hey here's your opportunity basically to prove everything right about yourself that you've always said and he did all of that and more i was very thankful to watch his entire football career i think is what i would say but his LSU times all the way through these Saints days he seemingly maintained this magnetic ability to the ball the dude was everywhere electrifying player you played with him yes what was he like as a teammate I've only got a chance to watch obviously he hung it up yesterday congrats him on a phenomenal career what was he like as a teammate man Tyron was amazing as a teammate I got to play with him a short time in Houston but you talk about people that gravitate to leadership they gravitate to him and he doesn't speak a lot.

9:45He's quiet. He's a very quiet guy. I remember we were in training camp and Bill would have a player speak kind of towards the end of the training camp. He'd pick like six guys that would speak, you know, either every night or every other night have one. When Tyron got up there, you could hear a pin drop and he got extremely emotional. He told his life story and mad respect for that guy.

10:06Pat McAfee:Okay. I love that. I love to hear that. I think the most transparent leaders are the best leaders, no matter how much you talk. He's a Super Bowl champ. Obviously, he just showed the photos whenever he was with the Kansas City Chiefs. What a run that was. He goes back home to the New Orleans Saints. D-Bot, he was great. It feels like he was able to do everything, absolutely everything on the football. You talked about being a ball magnet, but just his overall football IQ. That was why he found the ball, just like a guy like Charles Woodson. It's like, I just got always around the ball. Those guys study.

10:34Those guys anticipate. He was on everything DB. I feel like every year at least a few times, every year just making big-time plays. I'm glad he got the finish. his NFL career back at home. I'm sure that was special for him. And then his journey. You talked about his journey. We all saw it from being a Heisman finalist and then having his pitfalls or whatever and then get drafted to Arizona. I think he went, what, third or fourth round when he was clearly like a top 10 or 15 talent. And then that's a big moment. We always talk about mistakes that happen in your younger years and then how do you respond to that.

11:02And he's a perfect example of that. I'm sure we'll see more of him giving it back and paying it forward because that's the type of guy he is on and off the field. Yeah, hopefully we do get more of them um we always talk about dogs it feels like and tyron matthew for me at least uh him talking shit to tom brady in the super bowl when he was still with kansas city and granted we know how that turned out you know maybe it didn't go uh exactly how he wanted because tam ended up winning that super bowl by a lot but it feels like that kind of encapsulate who who he was at least on the field so you know i don't know him but him talking junk to basically everybody And then you think about it in the biggest moments where you don't want to maybe talk shit or poke the bear, if you will, but he just didn't care.

11:45I mean, him getting in Brady's grill, talking shit, that to me is what football is all about, especially because it's Brady.

11:53Pat McAfee:I enjoy the fact that his name is Honey Badger, too, which is a phenomenal nickname. Phenomenal nickname. Obviously, the internet is always going to do its thing. Congrats on a hell of a career. The game will miss you. The game will miss you, man. And I'll be excited to see what he does next. A lot of platforms have a lot of football. Yeah. When are you going to get on TV? No, right now, and this is it. What are you doing? What are you doing right now? Why are you in Indiana? Do you want to tell me? I'm here for my daughter's softball tournament, and we travel quite a bit. And this is one of our big tournaments, last tournament of the summer, and then she'll turn around on Monday and go right into high school volleyball.

12:25So she'll finish up this weekend, and no, actually, she'll have one week off and then start up high school volleyball. But Emerson, you know, she's got to offer a scholarship to Baylor. Couldn't be more proud of her. My older daughter is playing volleyball at UTSA in San Antonio. So it's going to be busy, busy after they both are in college. And one's playing in the fall, one's playing in spring or summer. It's going to be a lot of traveling, but I'm down.

12:49Pat McAfee:A little empty nest, but the birds are going to take a little bit of a flight over there. Meep, meep. And to Baylor, beautiful Texas schools. I am sure you absolutely love that. Let's talk about a Texas school that you love, Texas A &M. Hey, can I tell you, we went down there two times, I think, this last year. We were there early and then obviously later in the year. I love that place. What a town. Traditions are insane. I mean, people say you guys are weird with it all. And, you know, everywhere is a cult, I think. That is what makes college football awesome is the cultiness of the fans and the passion.

13:21Pat McAfee:I mean, in a positive way, not in a negative way. Obviously, there are negative cults. I'm not talking about those cults. I'm talking about this being a positive cult, which is what these colleges are. And down there, you know, the cultness is all aligned. because it is like a, obviously the Aggies is agriculture, but I believe it is a military type setup as well. My research kind of reminds me well. What a place. What a school. What a town. Who were you in school with down there? When I was there, college roommates with Dan Campbell, the head coach, Detroit. Everybody knows Dan. How was that?

13:52He was my roommate, like roommate, roommate. There was two beds in one room. Like we had, he came from a, he came from a, you know, a family that didn't have that much money. and I came from two teachers too. So it was – that was it. And in the other room was Billy Lucci, who runs Tex-Ags, and Seth McKinney, who played 10 or 11 years with Miami and then I think Cleveland. But, yeah, it was awesome. And being, you know, being with Dan growing up, I guess, our whole college career except for one, he was one year ahead of me, you know, that was awesome. And then winning the 98 – we just talked about it the other day – winning the 98 Big 12 championship game against Kansas State, getting home late that night from St.

14:32Louis, and then I think we went to bed like two nights later. Oh, so we did it down there.

14:38Pat McAfee:Yeah, so MCDC is who we thought he was. Oh, yes, he is exactly who you think he is. You thought he would be an incredible coach? I just knew his work ethic. I mean, he was that type of guy in the summer, before summer off-season programs started, we were already in there because Dan was kind of like, hey, guys, let's go. You know, let's get this right. and he was kind of the nucleus of that group. It was him, Datwin, was the linebacker then, and it was just a great, I guess, probably the tightest team I've ever been around. We all hung out. We all did everything together, and I wouldn't say we were the most talented team that year in the Big 12, but we won it because we were a legit team.

15:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, and dogs, I think. That's a big deal, and I think the teams that like each other play better. I think that is kind of just like on the record at all levels, high school, college, into pros, definitely. If you like each other, you're certainly going to be better. Dan Campbell is beloved by every person he's ever met. Is that kind of how that goes? I mean, I've never heard someone say something negative about him. Well, when he said he was going to gnaw kneecaps, people were going to. They took some shots. The helmet. Yeah, they're going to let their jokes fly. This guy isn't normal. This isn't what I'm used to seeing.

15:50Pat McAfee:I hate it. And then whenever he remained that person, and they were ass. You guys were ass there for a while. So bad. So, so, so bad. And he just stayed the course. Yes. And didn't change. Didn't waver. I love that. And then they get their first win. He cries. Yep. It's like, yo, this guy says he's going to gnaw kneecaps. He's so proud of his team for finally getting a win. And then the weeks leading up to it, he was like, we're close. We are doing everything right. Never turned his back on his team. Never did anything like that. Took all the shots. All of them. All of them. And then I think he actually did get bigger.

16:22Pat McAfee:Would like his nutrition routine. Please. Everything he's doing. Would love to see what that is. He is an absolute monster, an absolute animal. He said he works out at home. He doesn't even work out at the gym. What do you think of his routine? You think he's like vegan? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, MCDC's not a big meat guy. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's going to be tough for him to ever be a vegan. I think he's eating the DeChambeau diet that whenever he was trying to put on the 40 pounds. Eight protein shakes a day. Looks like he's always adding. Yeah. He might just be eating like 45-pound plates from the gym.

16:59Like the actual weight. Yeah, like the actual weight. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. At least at 25, because that's a little thinner.

17:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, exactly. You can really get your teeth into it. He's fucking huge. So big. Massive. And he's only getting bigger. I have no idea how it happened. He's always been a dog. So have you. You've always been so kind to me. I appreciate it. Because you're the best in the world. And then I didn't really know how to punt when I got into the NFL. I was kind of learning as I go. And you were always so cool to me. So nice to me. And I watched your film on a very regular basis because we had similar styles. Bang it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We absolutely did. So I appreciate you, man, a lot. Remember the whole saying, oh, he outkicked his coverage.

17:37Al would be like, you can't do it. I'm just going to get somebody faster. Yeah, and that must have been nice. Thank you. Yeah, that was really nice.

17:42Pat McAfee:Every time Al Davis drafted somebody for the Raiders, and I was younger then. I wasn't a punter at that point, so I didn't have the mindset yet. But every time they were like, Al Davis is going to draft the top five fastest guys in the draft. As soon as I got in the NFL, and I started learning that, I'm like, all we're looking for is one guy that runs a 4-4. That's all we're looking for. We got a guy. Darius Hayward Bay. He was drafted by the Raiders. We get him to Indianapolis. And for one reason or another, he was making plays for us, which I appreciate, but he wasn't in the full rotation. So I just asked him, I'm like, will you be a gunner?

18:17Pat McAfee:Will you do a gunner? He's like, yes, would want to be a gunner. We put him in a gunner. What a life. What a life that was. Yes. That was a very good time. He was one of the greatest special teams players. He played probably six or seven more years after. He went to Pittsburgh and had some good years. He was unbelievable. So fast. Wide receiver get off, too. So getting off the jam. And then he was 4-3, 4-4 down the field. And it's like, holy shit. And then the Raiders team. And he wasn't small either. No big. And people were scared when they saw him. So fair catches were going up very, very quick.

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18:47Pat McAfee:Speaking of, Tyreek Hill. That's one of my favorite stories. I punted the ball to Tyreek in Kansas City and at that time we were outside the numbers against him get every ball outside the numbers if not get it on the boundary and I hit a ball and I'm like oh this is perfect it's spiraling it's tailing right towards the sideline and he plants his foot you know how when they rush they run right by you you hope no one loops back around to come get you so I turned to make sure he didn't loop and when I picked my head up Tyreek was on the other numbers already and hauling ass. Yeah, you're lost. Here he comes.

19:26Pat McAfee:Yeah, Antonio Brown, Tyree Kill, obviously Devin Hester. Cribs was just a different animal. Cribs was just so hard to bring down. And fearless. Yeah, and I played with Dante Hall in college. Dante and then Dante, you know, the human joystick whenever he went to Kansas City. That guy was unbelievable. That part of the turn he had against Denver? Unbelievable. Oh, my gosh. Now, there was six blocking the backs on that one. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's always a block in the back. No doubt. On a long return, nobody throw the flag. Anytime you see somebody run a little bit, you're just immediately scanning the field.

19:58Pat McAfee:Where is that? Oh, shit. There is no flag here. This is a real deal here. Oh, the stats ruined forever. And they're scoring on us immediately. Job field. You know who doesn't get a lot of love? Pac-Man was a dog back there. Pac-Man never had a fair catch. Yeah. There was a season when I turned to the Aussie and I was just hitting it like 49 yards to the left every time, which turns out obviously very effective like if you can do it. You're swinging really hard at that fight. I was swinging very, very, very hard. Like looking back on it I'm swinging, like it's basically punting, you know those wooden drivers that they have?

20:37Pat McAfee:Those wooden drivers and you gotta like really, you gotta hit it. At like the 30s or whatever it was. That's what that is basically. Because the thing, the sweet spot's so small. Oh, yes. So small. and I'm trying to hit it to an exact spot as opposed to just like an area. And it's like I just start swinging so hard at it. And Pac-Man, I think I had like – I maybe had zero return yards until like maybe week eight or nine, kickoff and punts. I felt pretty good about that. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. Then there was a year where I was doing pretty okay and we were playing Pac-Man.

21:10Pat McAfee:And I had a bunch of fair catches. And he comes up to me before and he's like, I'm not fair catching one of these things. Not one of them. Don't you love when they always come talk shit to you in pregame warm-ups? I'm like, bro, just fair catch it. We're both out of here. You don't fumble it. I get my shit done. Everything's good. It's going to be 49, 50 yards. Could be worse for you. Could be worse for me. This is good. This is a perfect thing. He said, I'm not doing that shit. Not one time. I'm like, come on, bro. Dude. West Virginia, we're all mountaineers. Country road. He just wanted to be known as the guy that never fair caught the ball.

21:37Pat McAfee:He would have somebody right in front of him. Yeah. Head straight up like this. Casual, too. Like, what? You're not going to do shit. He had a fearless mindset. He never gets the punt return tuck. Because I don't think he has as many crib, but I think he has a lot of block in the back. I think there's a lot of flags potentially against him. Some of those returners are just phenomenal athletes. Tyreek changed the entire game, though, when he showed up back there. Yeah, and they're so good. Both those guys, like Tyreek and Pac-Man, Tyreek will talk as a returner. But Pac-Man, I feel like, won't just because he was so good at corner.

22:10Played so long at corner. Some of those other guys, they're specifically returners.

22:14Pat McAfee:And Tyreek, you know. Antonio Brown's another guy. We're not going to talk about as a returner. Yeah, AB, yeah. Unbelievable returner. If he was just a full-time returner, he'd probably go down as best ever. And same with Tyreek Hill. Edelman, unbelievable. Edelman was so good. Unbelievable returner. Pat P was – he didn't play – obviously been an all-pro corner. He wasn't back there his whole career, but he was a dog. And the reason Pac-Man, he missed a little chunk of his prime too. Missed a chunk of his prime with some off-the-field shit and then playing in the same era of Devin Hester. Yeah.

22:43That combo just kind of – it's like playing in the safety era with, you know, Ed Reed and Troy, been a punter with Shane's in there. It's just certain – Vinny, when he's kicking, it's like, okay, you're not going to get that recognition. But, yeah, if you played against those guys, if you have a game plan against those guys, absolute animals.

22:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, congrats to all the punt returners that literally do make our lives awful. Like, you need to know that. We do think about you. We do. Going in, we do think about you. And we all wish that you guys would just be cool down there. Just fucking fair catch it. Go on to next week. It would be good for all of us. Shane, I know you've got to get to a game. We appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate you, bud. Let's go impact. Have you done one of these? What is the thing you guys do down there? Woo! What is the Aggies thing? You know what I'm talking about.

23:25Pat McAfee:Oh, I know. You do know what I'm talking about. But I don't know. Yes, you do. You know, it's a woo! Now you're going to get me in trouble with all the Aggies. No, no, you know what I'm doing. You know what he's doing. A woo! Woo! Is that what it is? Just gig them, Aggies. Put it on a video game. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What is the saying? Will you tell me? At least so I don't look stupid? I don't know. It's just whoop, like whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Oh, you can't do that. Whoop. Not with the hip. Yes, they do that. They do that. You don't need to do that. We appreciate you. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner.

24:10Oh, sorry.

24:14No, no, you're good.

24:15Pat McAfee:You're good. You're good. You're good. You're good. Yeah, you missed it that time. Good luck, Shane. I knew his face was going to be great. Yeah, yeah. Shane, you're the man. Bob says spike. No, softball, man. Oh, softball, softball. Softball. Good call, though. Hey, hit that riser. Yeah, that's right. He needs to hit that riser. Offer from Baylor. Sit dead red. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now live from Manatic in Ohio is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, erotic up winner, and friend of the program, family of the program, his family, 10 kids. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J.

24:44Pat McAfee:Hawk. Yeah. Hey. Walker, we're letting our hair grow. It's summer. Whoa. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I don't have any plan, but, yeah, I'm letting it grow for a while, man. Did you hear a conversation about the returners and how incredibly freaky athletic they have to be? How about the Honey Badger? Honey Badger returned. He was a turn of punts as well. He was an absolute monster. What are we talking about? That was everything. Yeah. Yeah, you go back there. There's an interesting little game that kind of happens pregame that Shane was referring to there where the returners do come up, and I would like to have a conversation with them as well.

25:14Pat McAfee:I would like to talk to them. Is it normal? Did most all of them speak to you? I would try to speak to everybody. I don't know. Edelman didn't talk to me. I was going to say Edelman would just cold shoulder. Edelman wouldn't talk to me. I could break everybody else. I could get everybody else because my thing I wouldn't them know is... Jules is a prick. Who? Jules is a prick. Yeah, certainly. I mean, he wouldn't even crack. And then I saw him in the offseason. I'm like, you know every fucking buddy else I might have. And then I think he was even empowered by that. Yeah, that's right. I got to talk even less.

25:45Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think he felt it. I just wanted to tell them. I wanted to get in their mind, hey, don't run me over. Sure. Okay, that's all I wanted. All I wanted to get into their head was like, hey, just don't run me over. If you get this thing, you know, juke the shit out of me, dude. Do what you got to do. Because then that put in their head that they can run by me, you know. Bait them a bit. That would be. So it was literally a little bit of like, hey, just being cool. Like, hey, if you break one, when you break one, you're so good, man. Just don't run me over. My family's here. You know what I mean?

26:12Pat McAfee:Like, just don't do that. Because that Antonio Brown. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Can't have that happen. My family's here. Yeah. My dad's here. Can't have that happen. Football is happening, though, in a big way, and we're pumped up for it. I think it's time we go camping, don't you think? Hell yeah. AJ, you want to go camping? Yeah, I love camping. Let's do it. All right, let's go camping. 10 days. What do we have going on? We are fully, fully camping, boys. The Falcons and Steelers reported today, so all teams are officially at camp. 26 teams reported yesterday, and then we already had four teams in camp before that.

26:45So we are going to focus on some things of the teams that we're already practicing. There's some videos out there, some teams that aren't practicing, that people got got, but that's for a different day. Let's start with the Chargers in L.A. Early indications that Justin Herbert and Quinton Johnson are having an unbelievable first week of camp. They are linking up every single day with a lot of highlights. So I'm looking early and often to see what Quinton Johnson and Justin Herbert are doing. Big year for you.

27:12Pat McAfee:Can't wait for the Los Angeles Chargers to be who they can fully be. This is what we all expect. Another year in the Harbaugh system. We assume it's only going to get bigger and better out there in Los Angeles. And they've got a brand new practice facility. Yeah, beautiful. How many hundreds of millions? Not enough. Three, four. Yeah, I want to say three. Three, four hundred million dollars the owner just put up in 2025 to build a practice facility. We love that. As you guys know, not a lot of, you know, I don't know if all the fans know, but the best part I assume for you guys and for a lot of people watching practices is good on good.

27:41So we're going to go to the Lions camp. They also started early. We got J-Mo versus Brian Branch here in Lions camp one-on-one. That's awesome to watch. Those are like two of the best players on the team. I assume that's all you guys are watching, Pat, especially as a punter in practice is good on good in that situation, D-Butch. Yes, absolutely. I mean, you always get jacked up for the one-on-ones. And aren't both these guys Bama boys too? So they probably played against each other a bunch in college doing this. But this is a moment where, yeah, Pat, Vinny, everybody's going to be on that sideline watching big on big, good on good sharpen that sword.

28:15Pat McAfee:Front row and depending upon who's going in the big boys like are our guys going offensive line, D line like are our guys going or no? If they're going we're going to want to go watch Robert Mathis but if we got our guys going wide receiver DB that is certainly one that we would like to have eyes on. That is when spectacular things happen. That is when people make the team in those front lines. I mean that's where the stage is yours. That is literally what's happening. And that is also where some guys get caught with a four-string quarterback. Oh, yeah. Can't have it. Well, it's good for you guys.

28:46Pat McAfee:Can't have it. Can't have it. It's terrible. It'll feel good, though, because in training camp for the pros, AJ knows this too, we don't really get to go against the starters as much outside of training camp. That early part of training camp, that's when Brian Branch, hey, you want to go against a T.Y. Hilton or whoever those top guys are because you're not going to get those reps once that season kicks off. So, yeah, those are high competes. Let's head back to the AFC champions from last season. The Chiefs is still the Chiefs in our eyes. A lot of people were talking about it. Travis is looking slim.

29:15So tall. Pat's looking super motivated. They were hooking up in practice. Whoa. Really? Everyone was watching? Yeah. Yeah, they were hooking up. Look at the connection right there. We're watching it right now. Sidearm, good connection, great chemistry. They put out a tweet about Xavier Worthy catches, even though it was just one catch, which really pissed me off for some reason. But the Chiefs are back in practice. They said passes.

29:35Pat McAfee:is it was only one pass, but it was a great pass. I forgot that Xavier Worthy was a wide receiver for them. And I forgot how fast he is. And then I saw that clip and I was like, Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Chiefs are still the Chiefs, and now they're a little bit more. Yeah, these passes were worth the weight. That's a good tweet. You could have just this passed it. Yeah, I agree. Whenever I looked down and saw the number and there was six seconds left on the video, I'm like, what the fuck's going on here? I thought we had it. We're back at football. I want more highlights we need more is what we were thinking in that time speaking of let's head out to Oxnard California where the Dallas Cowboys were in camp they had their first practice yesterday it was good to see CD and GP together those two are going to be an absolute problem together and then there was a couple highlights coming out of that camp of Dak getting to GP early obviously he's an athletic freak he looks quick, he looks fast that's going to be a fun situation to watch this year yeah I love the Dallas Cowboys have a lot going on and we forget that they've got to play football and Jack and GP are going to be amazing.

30:37Pat McAfee:Micah and Trey held a little bit of a press conference out there. We see other people getting treated good. We wish that was us. We're here to work for our teammates, though. It's kind of how we view it. And we'll just move on, basically, is what they said. Yeah, we're not happy. We don't love it. We certainly think we deserve it. But if I'm not going to be here, Micah said, I'm about to go show out, and it's business at the end of the day. It's business. You know, it's unfortunate. I'm not sure if he's practicing or what the situation is. I know he has some back tightness. It's a whole thing.

31:05Yeah, I hope that gets cleared up soon. And then Trevon Diggs coming out saying, like, they knew where I was training. You know, I am on pace to recover and be back in time. So it was interesting to have these guys make themselves available together. And speaking, you know, when you see TJ get his deal, when you see Miles get his deal, when you see Max get re-upped early, you're a top guy. We talk about it. Going into your fifth year and you've done everything imaginable since showing up to the organization, you expect to get paid.

31:29Pat McAfee:Did Saquon and Ed Berry, new president of football at CAA, congrats to him, get that deal done three years early or two years early? I think it was three years early. It was after his first year. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah, who knows if it was a three-year or four-year deal. Whatever the case, he got that multiple years early, first year at the place. Obviously, they have massive success. But it's like players around the league see that. It's like, yo, yo, they're taking care of people over there in Philadelphia. Good for them. They're the reigning champs. Joining us now is senior NFL insider at NFL Network, NFL.com.

31:59Pat McAfee:And also the host of the weekly wrap-up with the Rap Sheet and Friends. Us being the friends, he being Rap Sheet. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. What's up? Great to see you. Happy Summer Wednesday to you. I hope life is good. Football's back. Training camp's happening. Let's start in Oxnard over there in California. Dallas Cowboys, a lot of noise, a lot of drama. What gets settled? Michael Parsons, Trey Hendrickson. Which one happens first? My sense this whole time is that Micah Parsons will be last. Now, if you're Trey Hendrickson, I'm not sure that Trey's deal directly affects Micah because he's going to get a raise.

32:35If he gets a deal done with the Bengals, which just to be totally honest, I thought a couple days ago was today, Wednesday. So I thought Monday there was a real, real chance that a deal was going to get done. I think the overall numbers were probably a route about where they should be. The guaranteed money was certainly not, which is where this broke down. And when you have guys like TJ Watt, I mean, the Steelers historically have not done multi-year guarantees. They did it for TJ Watt. Actually did it for TJ Watt last time, now did it for him again. You know, you see that. And if you're Hendrickson, you want that multi-year guarantee.

33:13The Bengals weren't where he wanted to be, so that thing kind of blew up. And then he posted a pic from Florida. Yeah, now he's gone fishing, brother. See you later. He's going to stay in shape, though.

33:24Pat McAfee:He's going to stay committed to the sport, he said. I'm sure. I kind of like the geotag. Like, you know, left this more. It's like, that's a beautiful pick. And then it's just like Florida. Like, all right. Just letting you know exactly where I am. And the sky is beautiful. Look at his sunset. Or maybe it's a sunrise. It could be a sunrise. Yeah, because he could be getting to work. Maybe trying to go get a swordfish, too. Or coming back. The owners at both these places, Cincinnati and Dallas, seemingly saying very interesting things here to start training camp. What are your thoughts on that?

33:53Pat McAfee:Did they have a call and say, these players think they're a little bit too important in this league? We got to remind them? Or why do you think this is taking place? Well, you know, Mike Brown came out and was like, you know, trade deserves a raise. We offered him a raise. You know, he was optimistic about a deal getting done, which sort of, for me, was like, all right, I think a deal is probably getting done. It did not. Jerry Jones, you know, was a little different. That was a little bit of a different press conference. I can't say that I've really seen that many press conferences like that.

34:29It's not zero. You know, I remember when Dan Snyder was mispronouncing Kirk Cousins' name. That kind of what this reminded me of. Jerry Jones called him Michael at one point, which is, you know.

34:42Pat McAfee:Well, Brian called him Trey Henderson. These guys are old. Give him a break. Yeah, exactly. No, I hear you. They're close. You know, what's so interesting about Jerry's press conference is like he really did tell you everything that was on his mind. Like you want to know why he waits for a deal, why he's not proactive like, say, the Eagles. He really explained it to you. He wants more information. Now, I think with Micah, you know, you don't need more information. Like I think Micah is content to be the last of these deals to have, you know, Aiden Hutchinson get paid, to have Hendrickson. I was going to say Henderson.

35:15Hendrickson get paid. I think Micah would like to be last because he probably comes in above all of them as he should. So, like, yes, I think a deal, you'd always like a deal. You always would like money now rather than later. But my sense is that Micah ends up last and most.

35:32Pat McAfee:Well, the next three years, you sign a four or five-year deal. There's anything that can happen. You ever hear about guys getting mono? Mm-hmm. Drink out of the wrong bottle? Sure, huh? Lose 20, 30 pounds. All of a sudden, you're not as fast as you once were. All of a sudden, that bull rush ain't too bull anymore. It's more like a young bull rush. A calf rush. It is a little calf rush. Had the old bull. Now you get the young bull. Young calf. All right, go ahead, AJ. Grab some, bud. Grabsheet, you mentioned with Trey Henderson, you said the overall numbers may have looked somewhat near what they should be, but the guarantees do not for Henderson.

36:06What does that mean? I mean, all he cares about, I would imagine, is guaranteed in that number of years in the contract. Is that a big holding point or what? He said Henderson. Okay, so I believe the overall number of years. It's fine.

36:17Pat McAfee:It's not fine. We're not disrespecting his family. We are on this guy's side. He's a sad king right now. He's going to get upset if you keep it. This guy can't get money if we can call him by the right name, okay? This guy's whole entire life sucks right now. He's fishing at 40. He's got a beautiful family. He loves ball, though. He wants to be a training kid. Exactly. He's fishing. I bet he loves fishing. He wants to be eating a painted grass. There's two things he loves more efficient, and that's Jesus and football. And guess what he can't do right now? Football? All right, football. Hopefully he's still talking to Jesus.

36:53He might be thinking.

36:54Pat McAfee:And I only talk to God when I need a favor. What a song. That ain't Trey. That ain't Trey. No, that ain't Trey. No, Trey ain't singing like us. He's talking to God all the time. Every day. Which we are appreciative of. He actually prayed on Trey for all day. Oh, that was a good prayer. During that prayer, he should have. That's because you would not think that you would shoot. No, you could. Yeah, he should have wished for Mike Brown to maybe, you know. Pronounce his name right. Give him a new deal. Anyways, go back to the, you said the guarantees were at the same because he said. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead.

37:27So, my sense is the overall numbers were probably okay, right? So, like, he was going to get a huge raise, like, very large raids this year, which basically what you do is you do a two-year extension. Right. And then you take some of the money and you front load it. So he gets a big raise this year. So he gets more in line this year with what some of the other top, top guys are making, which, you know, would probably put him somewhere in the middle of that graph. And that is good. Raise this year is good. And that part is guaranteed because he's going to get it. OK, but then what a player wants is they don't want to have to go through the same thing next year and say, I'm not guaranteed.

38:05Like, what if, God forbid, something bad happens? he has an injury or he doesn't. He's not as productive. Sacks are tough, right? You can play great and not get a lot of sacks. What if he doesn't have the numbers? Then he's like, he doesn't want to be at risk next year. He wants the protection that he has earned. And that is why he wants the guaranteed money. And that really is what the deal broke down over. It's not like, well, the Bengals don't want to pay him. They made an offer. It just, it was not enough. And they are at two sides of the country. And one's like in the middle and the other's kind of like down here.

38:35Pat McAfee:Gotcha, still a long flight. We did last week to the ESPYs. The thought of... Shitty flight. It was a long flight. It was like an hour and a half. Actual plane. It was those damn cards. What happened to you? You guys got murdered. We got cheated. And you got 40 to 4 aggregate score. 4 games. AJ, did you hear that? Yeah, you guys stunk. 4 points in 4 games? You only got 4 points? Yeah, and we probably actually had like 42-43. I need to start playing like AJ. Cheating? That's not good. Winning. You want to win? I agree. AJ, when? Join the squad. When do you win? When do you win? Ian, you said in there at one point, you know, sacks are hard to get.

39:12Pat McAfee:What if his numbers are down? Well, he's sack king. Exactly. He gets sacks. They are hard to get. So pay the guys what everybody's thinking. Interesting that he was offered a one-year 34, 35, if we go by the hints that you were kind of leading. No, no, no. It was multi-year. Multi-year. It's just you take the money, you front load. He was going to get a big raise this year. and there was years on the back end as well. Oh, so he wouldn't have been a free agent. It would have been, oh, here we are. It would have looked good, though, Pat. It would have looked good, but then it could have cut him after a year or two, I'm guessing.

39:41Pat McAfee:Yeah, Cincinnati Bengals say, oh, here we are. No offense to Cincinnati Bengals, but you're kind of grandstanding on this particular contract design for a guy that's a sack king at this stage. Nonetheless, good luck to everybody. Rappaport, we have one final question for you here from Darius J. Butler. Terry, McLaurin, officially a holdout now up in Washington. any uh i guess anything going on there with that front office and getting his deal done yeah they're they're trying um this is another one where like i kind of thought maybe they would get it done right before the start of camp they were they were in talks there's a lot of conversations you know garrett wilson gets done at 32.5 yearly average based on new money like sounds to me like that's where terry mcloran would like to be in the 30s believes he has earned it He has been one of the faces of this franchise.

40:32It's not great now, but he's in town. I saw a picture of him doing yoga earlier today. So he is at least there if things happen. Power pose. They are going to keep talking about this one.

40:42Pat McAfee:He's doing a power pose right there. I love everything about it. Is this the power pose? That's a good picture. Yeah, it's power pose. That's strong. All right. We hope everybody gets their business settled and handled. I got one quick thing for you. Okay. You guys did, people might not remember this. It was a long time ago. You guys did a home run derby announcement. It was awesome. Thank you. I got a text from my mom who's very excited about it. Do you mind if I read it? By all means. Okay. McAfee is on the home run derby. He's on now announcing the players with some guy. Check out some all-star.

41:16Your mom sucks. Tell her I said that. That was an all-star. Jeez. Guy plays for the Yankees.

41:25Pat McAfee:All right. tell your mom you appreciate her falling along and tell her what Ty said and I think in the state of journalism you should tell her what Ty said that guy we appreciate you at least call me see you rap thank you rap sheet have a good one ladies and gentlemen have you looked to the left here it's been kind of hard to focus on this entire thing Bronnie from the Cleveland Browns that is that son of a bitch Bring some cookies. Oh, no. He sucks every time he's here. What is that? He's in Joel's hair. I like the good-ass guy. Think he's going to talk to you, Conman? Is that a bomb? If he talks to me, then that'll be the last thing he does.

42:09It doesn't pop up. What if that blows up and everyone dies? What if that... That'd be tough. Where'd you get that, Brian? Carry on our legacy. Wait, is Miz going to jump out of his box? That would be awesome. Do what he... I'm the Miz!

42:26Pat McAfee:and I'm awesome. Is Miz in here? Oh, maybe. Okay. What is this here, pal? What's going on here? I see the clock in front of it. Watch the basketball so I don't want to trip you. Time. Right in front there. Open. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What was this? Bomby. You're doing a little bit balmy. That was a little bit of a bommy. Oh, there we go. Slow. Slow. Jack and a boss. Slow. I like that he doesn't talk like that. That's a whole blooper. What's in there? Anything? Hey, man. We'll find out. Dynamite. How are you doing? Who's your quarterback? He doesn't know. One, two, three, four. Only got four fingers.

43:12Pat McAfee:That's interesting. You made an adjustment there at the end. Perfect. That was a really good play out of you. You know Blooper, Brownie? You know Blooper, the Atlanta Braves? The Atlanta Braves mascot? You got those big ears. You can't hear shit. Do you know Blooper? He does. He does. You would know, right? That guy's a fraud. These things talk, Connor. These things like the gossip. We're not supposed to. I know they talk down. No. No. Did you say handshake? Wow. Nice. Who won that? I didn't, Brownie. I didn't see it because of his head. I gave him one of these, so he looked up here and I shook his hand.

43:46Put up, Brownie. Hey, we did not talk, Brownie. Oh, I get the hand. Keep your skin. I saw it happen there. Appreciate you, brother. Respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dap it up. Hey, Brian, let me get a dab, Brian. Come on, man. Come on, Brian. Oh, my God. You idiot. Brian, that can't happen, Brian.

44:09Pat McAfee:Oh, my God, Tony. I got it for you. Brian, I got it for you. Brian, Brian, AJ, he's Ohio guy. He's Ohio. Look at his fingers. Ew. Why are your hands so dirty? All right, Brian. Thank you, Brownie. Eating poop. So this is going to blow up. This is going to blow up. Eating poop. You broad-dogging out there in the yard. No gloves. No yard gloves. No gloves, buddy. No gloves. Hey, why'd you throw up that Star Trek thing? Why is your finger Star Trek like that? Live long and prosper. Yeah, is that Star Trek? I can't even do the Star Trek thing, no. No, you do. Your hand's always doing it. Oh, well, I got these left two.

44:48Yeah, ring finger painting things don't operate. They don't work normal, so it's kind of, yeah, naturally does that now.

44:53Pat McAfee:AJ, how do you feel that all NFL teams are back at training camp and that there's a box counting down right now? I mean, it's kind of unsettling. I don't like it at all. It is kind of unsettling. You're right. It does make you a bit anxious. When you see that counting down, you only have 25 minutes. Well, until what? Break it open. Chop it open. Get Bill out here and chop it open. Yeah, he has wire cutters with him. We should just open it right now. You should. You're not going to be able to open this, brother. I guarantee. This is Oakwood. Bill Ka-Walkin. It's probably just full of dog shit anyway.

45:25This is their Super Bowl. This is all they have. Let's let them have it.

45:28Pat McAfee:To be clear, you guys were dancing in his face when you gave him the old hooty-hoo. I got him so good. What if this is just dog shit? That would be so good. That would be good. Super Bowl. I don't think it is, but I do appreciate the box. I guess we should get to claw. The result could be dog shit. There's no doubt. Ladies and gentlemen, we have somebody else in the Thunderdome joining us. He is the racer that we love the most. The racer that we, well, obviously. One of. Shout out to Dale. Yeah, shout out. Shout out to Senior. Shout out. Shout out to Junior. But with that being said, a man of smoke as well.

46:06Pat McAfee:Smoke. Jeff Gordon. Lewis Hamilton. Carl Edwards. No, no, no. We're not talking about fake racers. We're not talking about parading around a track. We're talking about racing. Kyle Larson. Yeah. Kyle Larson who loves as well. Ladies and gentlemen, he's a man who is about to race here at Indianapolis Motor Speedway this weekend. It depends on the 250 brick yard. The cars are going to fly. The attitudes are going to flare. And if this man's racing, this man's winning. Ladies and gentlemen, K.Y. Kyle Busch. K.Y. Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

46:57Hey. Try to call Roddy.

47:03Pat McAfee:Dude, I do. I love it. Thank you for making this happen. K.Y. I like that. Go around the horn there. Put on a box, baby. Is that now a countdown clock for the race to start? Well, the race is right around four. The race is this weekend. Let's go. Hey, welcome back to Indianapolis. I appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me. Always great to be back. You are beloved here. Obviously, racing city. You are obviously a racing man. And for us, you've always been so kind. We appreciate you. Thank you. This weekend, how do we feel? I'm looking forward to it. You know, we had a fast race car here last year at Indianapolis.

47:36We were right there in the top five. They're coming down towards the closing laps. Kyle Larson stole the win. So we want to make that this Kyle this time.

47:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, we certainly do. I think there's been some conversation about your car team, I believe, this week and throughout this entire season. Yeah. How do we feel? Get on the same page with everybody. Do we feel like we're working toward championship operation? I tell you, it is not due to lack of effort. That's for damn sure. You know, everybody at RCR back there at the race shop, they're working as hard as they can. Engineers are trying to figure it out and look at all the notes and figure out where the speed's at, you know. So balance of the race cars has been pretty good this year, you know, like the drivability.

48:14feels okay. It's just the lack of speed. There's just guys that are out there that just have more potential. They're just a little bit faster.

48:21Pat McAfee:The team aspect of racing, I think, doesn't get talked about a lot. Obviously, in Super Duper G1 Drive to Survive, they documented behind the scenes. I've yet to watch the entire series. I don't know how much they talk about how important that is. Obviously, growing up, or becoming an adult here in Indianapolis, getting to go. You have? I think at this stage, we've got kids now. I know, I know. Isn't that crazy? Yes, it is. Damn sure is. It is. It is a wild thing. That's right. Yeah, I've known you a long time. I know. It's been good. Yeah, I've become an adult out here in Indianapolis, so I learn a lot about the Indy 500 stuff and the racing world.

48:52Pat McAfee:Did you know much of that as a kid? Not at all. Really? I didn't know any of it. You were here. No, I was in Pennsylvania, but I know Pennsylvania is a big racing place, too. Right, for IndyCar stuff with Nazareth. Nazareth was around there forever. You never went there, either. Never. Pittsburgh. We're football town. Football town, hockey town. Yeah, Sixburg. Yeah, absolutely. Looking for seven with Aaron. that's what Aaron's trying to do but I didn't grow up around racing then you realize the engineering the computers everything happening behind the scenes are just as important what's going on on race day and at all how many years is this now for you professional driving?

49:23let's see this is my 22nd season I believe 21st, 22nd I've lost track

49:28Pat McAfee:and you guys race forever? guys are starting to like tap out around 44, 45 years old somewhere in there that's about the number average career what's that? average 20 20 years? I would say so, yeah. If you make it past, what, three years or four years? Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're a guy who's sort of, you know, if you're winning each year and you're making your way through after about four or five, you're pretty much, you can go all the way 20, 25 years, yeah. How many different styles of racing have you done? Have you done any IndyCar? You wanted to do IndyCar. I think I would, we would support you if you were to do IndyCar, by the way.

50:03Pat McAfee:I don't know how that whole process would be. It would be the Pat McAfee car? Is that what it would be? Sure, done it before. I mean, I've been in it before, and we would certainly enjoy that, especially if we make it a good car especially because i know how important we're busting news wide open today let's go okay so i don't know if the indianapolis motor speedway or the indy 500 will be on board with that but if you were to try to do that and get into that had you ever raced in an indy car before have you ever driven an f1 car before no have you ever felt how those cars are verse how i have not no obviously i've made my way in nascar i've been a nascar cup series forever the xfinity series i've raced the truck series i've raced so i've done all three of those.

50:36I've done a couple sports car races just here or there, and I've never gotten in an IndyCar, no.

50:42Pat McAfee:Would you think you'd be able to do an F1? He's a massive F1 fan. Literally, do you think? Anybody could do it. It's just a matter of doing it fast. If you're good or not. Yeah. What is the mentality? Because I think there's like a cutoff for some speeds for drivers, right? Like there's some guys that are in girls that are able to operate at higher speeds and other people. Like that is a real thing that holds back drivers? Yeah. I mean, I think it's a feel thing. Like when you're a race car driver and you're going out there, like you want to push the car to its absolute limits and for me what always sort of made me as successful as i was like i could push it to that 100.5 percent line and just a little bit over the edge and yet keep it under control where everybody else sort of lies within that 97 to 98 percent range so you can get that little bit out of it you can you can make a lot more hay and being able to get those wins we're going flat right you know what it's called indy car is wide open around indy yeah yeah yeah the stock cars are not.

51:31No, we got a lift. We're just so big and we're so heavy and we

51:35Pat McAfee:don't have the downforce either. D-Bot has a question for you, KY. F1, the movie just came out. Obviously, there have been other movies that have covered motorsports. We know when we see football and sports movies, it's something realistic, but a lot of... How realistic are those movies with the team aspect of it and what the drivers are going through? Yeah, my favorite movie as a kid growing up was Days of Thunder. Hell yeah. Days of Thunder was always my favorite movie. The nickname Rowdy sort of came from that a little bit. I certainly caused my own headaches, let's say, when in my younger years.

52:07But, you know, the Days of Thunder one was pretty real. Like there was a lot of, you know, the crew chief talking to the car and like souping it up and getting it ready to go for the big race and all that. And then the drivers having their rivalry and hitting each other and not liking each other. Like that was all pretty real. And then you had Ricky Bobby come out, right? Yeah, his documentary.

52:29Pat McAfee:Exactly. And that was sort of a spoof You know a little bit of a comedy to what we do And things like that But some real shit in there too I bet right Yeah no for fact I mean I'm a driver's wife I don't work like yeah that's real There's some things that they Definitely captured in that particular thing Obviously they did in a comedic fashion Right right and so I haven't seen the F1 movie yet But I'd be interested to see it but like You know there's been some other F1 movies in the past where they were Pretty good like they gave you that rivalry of those two drivers back and forth, and they told the true story of them battling for championships and then one of them obviously getting in a bad crash and burning and things like that.

53:08And so, yeah, it's the nature of how much you want to put into it and believe in it, but I would say 80 % probably.

53:18Pat McAfee:Okay, so we need to know that Ricky Bobby thing, real. Yeah, 80 % real. That's what I got. Peppy Le Pew comes in here and does his thing. Go ahead, Ty. So you mentioned last year that you thought you had a really fast car here in Indy and you had the opportunity to win. Is that still, I mean, given what we heard about your car from the last race, is that the expectation going into this weekend? And are there specific tracks or courses around where it's like you maybe just, I don't want to say put more into it, but you understand, like, hey, we have a much better shot winning this week than maybe we did last week?

53:52Yeah, I mean, with Indy, I love Indy. Coming to Indy is a lot of fun. I've really gotten pretty good here over the years. I won the race in 15, 16. Should have won it in 17. But we got wrecked out in a late caution restart. That's bull. I feel pretty good about me here at Indy. And then the Chevy camp has obviously been really fast here over the years as well, too. Kyle winning the race last year. So I would think that our bases should be pretty close, that we can go out there and we can have a good shot.

54:20Pat McAfee:AJ has a question for you from Ohio. Yeah, I know you've been driving for over 20 years. What's your car like now compared to back then? Does it take more skill now to be a driver or maybe less? Because I know there's so much parity between the team. Good question. Yeah, that's a really good question. So the cars the last three years have become more sourced from a single source supplier. So everybody buys their chassis from the same place. The bodies all come from the same place. The parts and pieces all come from the same place. Where years prior to that, everybody always built their own stuff.

54:49In-house, you would build your own chassis. You would hang your own bodies, all that sort. So I would say now the engineering aspect of what little tricks of the trade there are is huge. You know, having the smart people of being able to kind of go manipulate the little bits of gray area is way bigger nowadays than maybe what it once was. You could always manufacture and build your parts and pieces better than everybody else, where now all of that's the same. So how you assemble those Legos and manipulate those Legos, you've got to be better than all the other teams. It's a big deal. And that's engineering.

55:21Pat McAfee:Do you think you would have been a good moonshine runner or no? Oh, hell yeah. Back in the day. Oh, yeah. I love the back roads. That's what they said started the whole thing, right? That's right. Yeah. Moonshine running back in the days. Guys souping up their cars. They had to run from the cops. Yeah. Yeah, boy. What a time. That's awesome. That is literally how it started. Yeah. And then now let's go ahead and get them on massive tracks in front of hundreds of thousands of people this weekend in Indianapolis Motor Speedway. There was an announcement as we're coming up on a hard out. We can't thank you enough for coming through.

55:45Pat McAfee:There's a street race. I'm reading it right now at Naval Base Coronado. Do you know about this? Yeah. It sounds awesome. Yeah, it just came out. So we've raced in the streets of Chicago the last couple of years. We've had a big race there. And so that race has kind of moved off the calendar for now. And we're now going to the Naval Base in San Diego in replace of that event. So, yeah, it's going to be sweet. That's amazing. Happy 250th birthday to the United States of America. And I can't wait to see you guys ripping it. Yeah, them big NASCAR drivers right there, they made a huge commercial about it, man.

56:16I wasn't invited.

56:17Pat McAfee:What? Oh. They're always against you, K-Watt. I know. They're always against the rowdy one. Sting it to him. I've always got to battle with the sheets over me, man. We got to go. We got to get back up to the top. Jeez, that's awesome. We can't wait to watch you this weekend. Thank you for stopping by. You are the man. I appreciate it, yeah. Our two will be on the other side. What the hell is in this? I have no idea. I'm going with poop. I think that's a good guess. What do you think? What do you think? There's zone in there. There's what? Zone nicotine pouches. It's full of it. Oh, jeez. Off TikTok.

56:47What a bro.

56:48Pat McAfee:Smart? Yep. Right there on his chest. Hell yeah. All right, Kyle, you're the man. That's an Ascot right there. Yeah, exactly. That was Ricky Bobby. Yeah.

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58:20Pat McAfee:We'll be right back.

58:30Pat McAfee:it kind of all settled in whenever we drank it down and really let it simmer every nfl team is at training camp right now every single one of them now these training camps are certainly long monotonous and when it comes to news and conversation they kind of suck but day one everybody's at training camp yep we are jacked up literally we've made it and i started the show by saying thank you to all the other sports. Thanks for what you did. We appreciate the hell out of you, honestly. TST even, I didn't even mention it. It's like TST. Soccer even a little bit. Yeah, NHL. NHL. Completely forgot about the NHL.

59:09Pat McAfee:I mean, there's so many things that are amazing in the sports world. But it feels like today. I talked to the Cavanaugh the other day. It feels like today is a day that we can really say we did it. We made it to football season. The first day of the year. This is basically the first day of our year. First day of the rest of our lives. Happy New Year. First day of the rest of our lives. You said it. Maybe seven minutes we might be dead, but yeah, seven minutes and 28 seconds we might die. Very good tech, by the way, that you were that on, because some have a delay where you'd be at least a second off, and then let alone the audio coming from and to our ears.

59:43Pat McAfee:Incredible setup we have here. Shout out to the Zito production and everybody else that has kind of come through. This is a little bit eerie, I will say. Bronny, an elf, walked his ass out here. Big ears, the whole thing. Mascot for the Browns. A weird grin. Brought it out last hour. Set it down. Brought a table. Nike him down. Don't know where this table is from. Nice. No. Don't know where this table is from. Keeps that thing on him. Legit. Truly. Stay strapped. Always strapped. Yeah, always strapped. He dropped this box off, and we assume that, I mean, is this a countdown of him showing up? What if he pops up out of here?

1:00:15Pat McAfee:That. Now, that'd be a good trick. Like Criss Angel? Yeah. Yes. What if he's, what if that's why he has this? That's why. Oh, shit. I still hope it's Miz. Elves are mysterious creatures. There is a chance it's Miz. I mean, we don't know what's in here. I would like to let everybody know I do not know what's in here. If it's the Mason Rudolph helmet without the face mask. Possible. Anything's possible. They might have it. The fact that that guy's still in the league is unbelievable. That's not your NFL vet, Darius J. Butler. Expect that one. Talk to the table at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidter here.

1:00:48Pat McAfee:And one half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP tone. Incredible shirt. Thank you, thank you. I think you did something on purpose in the first hour. I don't love it. We did a little camp run around. We went through. We went camping. Yeah, we went camping. Did you see us go camping, AJ? We went camping. We had the Chargers. We had the Lions. We had the Chiefs, the Cowboys. And you knew something was coming. And I feel like you were like, you know what? We need to get rap on right now. Yeah, maybe. There is one situation in the NFL that's actual quarterback competition. And that's the Colts. And boy, we got a view of that competition today.

1:01:22and the boys are sling. Danny, dime. Dime. AR. That's one. Can Mo Alley Cox jump? Good lord. This is one throw. Well, I'm just saying maybe people didn't see this yet and we're just out here. There's no reason. Take that down. We're going to let people know. People have got to know what the competition is doing. Take that down.

1:01:43Pat McAfee:It's frozen. It's frozen? It's frozen on this? Oh, no. What are we doing? Stop. Stop. Stop. Can we get this? We put a picture up there. Can we put something different up there? Thank God. Jesus. What a ball. I saw a lot more throws from there, and they were right on the money. Well, dime's throw was a dot. Was anyone moving on? Dime's throw, yeah. Let me tell you. It's the first couple days of training camp. Defense has a head start. Always. Please? That's a fact. True. AJ, agree? Defense definitely has a head start. This was routes on air. But, yes, defense does have a head start when you go team drills.

1:02:22Pat McAfee:Yeah, that threw me off, too. That's freaking me out a little bit. That's my first time seeing that. The top right? It's like Inception. Yeah. Oh, shit. No, no, no. I think it's good people are wondering, what is up there? What if it just slings human turds in four minutes? Yeah. It could. 420. All right. Let's talk a little bit about some other news happening around the NFL. head coach of the New England Patriots Mike Vrabel has introduced himself to the local media. Run it. This is awesome, AJ. How'd they do? How do you feel about how the guys came back? I mean, whether you were in a coma when I answered Tom's question or typing on your phone or tweeting I don't know, but I spent five minutes answering that question.

1:03:12And I can go back through it but I'd rather not.

1:03:17Pat McAfee:You see? So, I don't know. You might have been doing your job. Okay. Well, I was answering this question. You're going to have to go back and do it. And that's, we believe, Ben. Ben Voland. And Tom that he referred to. Curry. Guys who have been covering New England and the Patriots for a long time. I assume Vrabel knows them. I would assume. Definitely Tom. I would assume that Vrabel knows them. And I appreciate the fact that that is the Vrabel we have seen in press conferences in the past. And I assume there will be some sort of conversation with him and Ben at some point throughout this season that we will enjoy.

1:03:48Pat McAfee:But I like that Vrabel is not scared to be himself at all day one. Feels like he's entering his 10th year as the coach of the Patriots with how comfortable everybody seemingly feels about him being the leader. Yeah, 1 ,000%. Everyone's so pumped about the season in New England. Of course, with Drake Mann and everything like that and Vegas having them be in favor in 11 games, all that type of stuff. But this is why everyone in New England thinks the Patriots are back or knows the Patriots are back is because Mike Vrabel's doing this type of stuff. He's probably, I'm assuming when he's talking to the team, it isn't as much as, hey, we're going to help these guys along like we ran earlier in the offseason.

1:04:24I expect today being the beginning of, oh, Mike Vrabel, hard ass. Here we go. We are really starting to do this thing. But it's just great to have this back in the NFL, regardless that it's the Patriots. Just Mike Vrabel burying reporters is just good for everybody.

1:04:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's good for the season. I mean, Ben probably doesn't feel that way. This is the first day of training. Yeah, sure. It's like Jerry Jones or Brian Berry and their players on the first day of the entire thing. It's been an interesting start, Edge. It's been an interesting start to this season. Yeah, but don't you think this will – at least I know that reporters are obviously typing up his answers, but they're going to be making eye contact, I would imagine, from here on out when Braves is answering someone else's question, I would think. Did I already talk about that? Is that a precedent?

1:05:06Yeah, for every – across the league, you know, I think you guys should say thank you to Vrabel. If I were you guys, I would be saying thank you.

1:05:13Pat McAfee:I don't give a lot of press conferences, but I do feel as if somebody wants me to give a comment on something. It's like I talk for anywhere between two and a half to four hours a day. I assume I have said. I've touched on that. A thousand percent. You can go get. Sorry. You got to do a little bit of looking. So I couldn't even imagine if Rabel did. I still have yet to hear the answer. I have not heard. I've yet to hear the answers that Ben clearly did not hear. But you could see how frames immediately after answering that just being like, nope, this ain't how this is going to go. Yeah. Just want to let you know that.

1:05:51Pat McAfee:What a dog. Are they good this year, H? I think so, yeah. I don't know what that means exactly, but, yeah, I think they're much better. How do you feel about Pete Carroll saying we're going to win, man? I don't care. I like that. Set the toe early and he's a winning coach. You got a quarterback. It's not like you got a rookie quarterback trying to figure it out. You got some good piece. They signed some vets. So, yeah, I came here to win. Ladies and gentlemen, we are under. Oh, shit. Did the clock disappear? No, it turned red for death. I can't see it from where I'm at. 40 seconds. Fire. I don't know.

1:06:22Pat McAfee:Let me know when it gets to 30. Would you rather be dog poop or human poop in there? Dog. Human, for sure. 30. Love the spell of human poop. Who doesn't? Get my ball mitt on just in case. Don't trust the bride. I just need to tell you, man, it's popping out. What's it at right now? Just hit 20. 18. 17. Check my eyes. 16. 15. 14. 13. 12. 11. 10. Good luck to everybody. Good luck to you too, man. Good luck to you. 7. 6. I'll jump on it. 5. Boys, I will jump on it. 3. Thank you, sir. 3. 3. 2. 1. It's unlocked. It's close. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Shoot him. We missed his run. We missed his run. Oh, my God.

1:07:09The lock did pop. I thought it did on its own.

1:07:13Pat McAfee:Oh! It's a helmet. It's a new Cleveland Brown helmet. What? Okay. Okay, so, Brownie, this is the alternate helmet. Is this thing going to beep the whole time, Brownie? Sounds good. It's still beating. Shut that goddamn thing up. Your ears are massive. It must sound. Brownie!

1:07:42Well, this is the last one we do here with Brownie. Thanks for coming, Brownie. He's only got four fingers.

1:07:49Pat McAfee:Brownie, I got good news for you. Don't worry about any of that. Notice Jesus is still there. Yeah, the only thing that's left standing, Jesus Christ. Of course. I think that's good news for the new alternate helmets for the Cleveland Browns. How often will we wear this this season? How often will we be wearing these? Three times. Wow. Three times. Okay, these are beautiful. For what color jersey probably will it be worn? Same color. Oh, we're going. Color rush. Okay. Matt Brown? What is that? We like this. Yeah, it is a matted brown. Obviously, you've got to earn your orange stripes out there in Cleveland.

1:08:18Pat McAfee:I mean, that's what you've got to do. Brown, are you getting one of these helmets on that big-ass head of yours? Congratulations. This is really cool. I like all the alt uniforms, alt jerseys, alt helmets. I like the way the NFL creates. And this one is called the Alpha Dog. Oh, great name. Yeah, I'm just now getting information here. The Alpha Dog. It's a helmet that features a matte all-brown shell, a brown stripe between two orange stripes in the middle of an all-brown face mask. This will be the first time in the history of the organization that a brown helmet will be worn. Wow. Cleveland Browns wearing a brown helmet.

1:08:49Pat McAfee:First time ever. Respect that. Alpha Dog embodies what we set out to be as the Cleveland Browns. Leaders of the pack. Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! See, that's a mascot. You see what I'm saying? That's a mascot. Pros, pros. Right there. Who? Who? Who? Who? Get right in his face. Get right in his face. Please. Who? John Hall of Birds. Who? See? Who? Alpha Dog. Who? No flubs. That's a mascot. We're excited about this new alternate helmet. In the ode, it pays the rich history of the color brown as part of our organization. Switching it up from our iconic orange helmets, said J.W. Johnson. who's a Cleveland Browns all executive vice president and partner.

1:09:38Those are cool.

1:09:38Pat McAfee:These are the Alpha Dogs. And as the presenting sponsor of Alpha Dog, Dude Wipes That makes sense. Makes sense. All Browns. Remember, they were going to give away a punt return, a Brown streak. Because it's never happened. Still never happened. Initiated it's one of its kind stunt on Lake Erie with a covered object on a 20-foot barge 100 yards offshore from Huntington Bank Field yesterday. Following the announcement of the alternate helmet today, the object was unveiled to be a large, inflatable dude wipes and brown helmet to help bolster excitement. Okay. Yep. And it did it. It did. I was fucked and pumped.

1:10:13Pat McAfee:So pumped. I can't wait to watch. Lake Erie, you guys aren't going to play there anymore because you're moving away from the city. Yeah, you guys are moving a little bit into the suburbs, huh? Don't. Oh, moving on up. You guys still going to have dogs or not up there in the suburbs? I mean, he's got our favorite player, Pat. All right. Rock, paper, scissors right now. Jerry, dude. Am I keeping this helmet? Rock, paper, scissors. Rock, paper, scissors for the helmet. Pass the three. What about the box? And the table. And all my shit. Yeah. You knocked over Olympic gold medalist Tyrese out. Don't worry about it.

1:10:46Pat McAfee:Don't worry about it. Keep your four fingers. Eight fingers, sir. Don't touch shit. Touch of a... Is that an advantage in this game? What should I throw? What should I throw? I would throw... You always start scissors. I would throw scissors because he can't really make it. Scissors will be hard for him to throw. So I'm a guy who throws rock every fucking time. Yeah. I think that's all he's got in his bag, though. No, he can do scissors. I don't think he can. I don't know if he can. He has big ass ears. He might throw a plate or something like that. That'd be a good move. Satellite with the ear.

1:11:19Pat McAfee:That's what his ears look like, AJ. He's not going scissors. Best of three. Four fingers. We don't know if you can even throw scissors. Oh, he just did. And now you know he's not throwing it. Oh, you wouldn't do that again. Look at your ear and ear and ear. You got a little baby break. Big head, though. Yeah. Hey, I'm throwing rock. Go back to your tree, elf. I'm throwing rock to you. I'm throwing rock right now. I dare you throw those scissors. Aren't you supposed to be blue? It's rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Right? I'm throwing rock. What are you throwing?

1:11:56Pat McAfee:We'll see you out there. He won't. He won't. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, you said with Ty. You said with Ty. Okay. Smart. I'm doing it again. Are you doing it again? I'm doing it again. Are you doing it again or no? I'm throwing rock. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. You're a liar. You're a piece of shit. Wow. Elves can't lie. They die if they lie. I'm throwing rock again. What are you throwing? Scissors? You've told me that twice now. You haven't thrown it yet. I like this guy. He's throwing scissors. He's got a little moxie. You know why he has moxie? No words. Yeah, I don't like that I can't see.

1:12:34Pat McAfee:Yeah, can't hear. Poke face. I would like to be able to see soul in there. You know what I'm saying? What are you throwing? I don't have soul. You're throwing scissors? No, they don't. You've lied to me twice, though. All right, I'm going to throw a rock again. Or am I? Oh.

1:12:51Pat McAfee:Oh. Here we go. Game seven. Game seven. Swing off. It's a one swing swing off, right here? Uh-oh. What we live for. It's for the alpha dog. We need that helmet, man. It's for the alpha dog. We need it. He won't throw a rock every time. Would he? You think I would? No. I wouldn't do that. What are you throwing? Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Son of a. You ready?

1:13:26Oh. He threw a scissors. What a jacket. What a jacket. Wow. He was got it. He was not afraid. He was not afraid. He was first rodeo. He was not afraid.

1:13:39Pat McAfee:I'm throwing rock. What are you throwing? Scissors? Sticking with it. Ah! Got him! Thank you, sir. Yes! That was a great game. Great battle. Hell win. Hell win. Go there, Skip. Way to go, Kyle. That was a great game. That was a great game. Good luck this year, Brownie. That was a great battle. That was a really good battle there. Holy shit. How tall was it, Brownie? 6 '5". City War. Oh, okay. Good luck to all four of your quarterbacks. 6 '5", 6 '6". Good luck on these new helmets. Great performance today, Brownie. Tell Judy who said what's up. Go on, Brownie. Yeah, tell Jerry and Judy we love him.

1:14:18Tell Blooper we said shut up. You don't know, Blooper.

1:14:23Pat McAfee:He said he did. That was a big win. Yeah. That was huge. Yeah, that was a good game. Dude, throw that helmet on. It's yours now. It was hard. I couldn't see, you know? Oh, yeah. I couldn't see him. It's tough. And Brownie had good pizazz there. Yeah, he really did. He had solid. It's got the thing in it. Oh, never mind. Oh, it's fake? Yeah, it's a fake. Shocker from that organization. Tony. Brownie. Brownie's a good mascot. I like Brownie. He's a lot cooler than those Indianapolis Knights uniforms we saw last year. She grew up tall and she grew up right With them Indiana boys on them Indiana knives It's great, Jersey What are you talking about?

1:15:04Your helmet usually matches the New Jersey and stuff

1:15:07Pat McAfee:Well, it was a daytime game because we didn't have any Prompt-time games because it stayed The franchise at the time But now we're all the way back, so it doesn't matter Those are cool Browns never having a brown helmet That feels weird That's crazy I guess the orange is pretty iconic Anything we haven't covered before we launch into a beautiful conversation with Dan Orlovsky that we had earlier today. Things that we need to hit. Brewers almost gave away the city of Milwaukee. George Webb and his restaurants almost gave away hundreds of thousands of burgers. Yeah. The Brewers actually, if they win 12 straight games, this George Webb's famous restaurants around town gives away free burgers.

1:15:49Pat McAfee:It's something that they've had in place for a long time. In 1987, it happened. and they had the same thing. They gave away 170 ,000 burgers. They feel like they were doing their part to motivate the Brewers and motivate the city to be invested in this Brewers team. And it was about to happen again. This would have been the third time in the history of the promotion. 2018, I think it happened. They gave out vouchers and stuff. It was a little different than it was in 1987. 1987 is the greatest year of all time anyways. It's a phenomenal year. It's such a good year. So there was a chance that hundreds of thousands of burgers were about to be given away last night.

1:16:20Pat McAfee:And guess who was on the fucking bump? Big Miz. Big Miz. The heater. The flamethrower. Miz. This guy is awesome. Remember, everybody's pissed off that he was in the All-Star game. Well, it turns out Miz loses. I don't know if it was his loss or if it was somebody else. He only threw three and two-thirds, but he didn't give up any runs. He had a bunch of strikeouts. He threw it really, really fast every time. He's unbelievable. And Cal took him? Yeah, Big Dumper was the guy who Milwaukee is collectively going to hate now for eternity because no free burgers. Well, there's a chance they can win the next 12 games.

1:16:52Could. You could.

1:16:53Pat McAfee:Sure. In the next 12 games? Sure, you could. They are the best team in the MLB right now. Okay, so the Brewers are the real deal. What's the other big-time story out of baseball right now? There's about to be a guy that has a lot of dongs about to be traded. Yeah, Eugenio Suarez, the third baseman for the Diamondbacks, has, I believe, 36 homers now. He's hit five homers in, like, the last three games. And Jet Passon basically said, yeah, there's, like, a 90 % chance that he is going to be traded. All the teams who are really good, who are kind of going all in, want to get him. Also, Shohei pitched yesterday.

1:17:24He's homered in four straight games, so he's kind of starting to heat up a little bit. But the Dodgers are sliding a little bit. They have not been good over their last 13 games or so. And then the last big thing I'd say, yesterday was Skeen's day. His ERA is under two. He threw another gem. He's unbelievable.

1:17:41Pat McAfee:Yeah, you said I saw some stat that he would be 29-1 with average hitting or something like that. Is that real or not? What does that even mean? Yeah, anytime I see stuff like that, I think that's just, like, you can't really do that. But he gets no run support. Like, he should not have the record that he has. And obviously, we talked to Jet, and he kind of said, like, there's a good chance he still wins Cy Young because his stats are unbelievable. He just doesn't have the win-losses because, yeah, they don't hit for him. But they don't hit for anybody. Baseball's doing its thing, though. Yeah, without a doubt.

1:18:07Pat McAfee:And we're about to have a little baseball talk? Yeah, with a trade deadline, we'll really start heating up now. So, like, all the teams who are kind of – you'll see who's going to declare themselves as, like, hey, we want to go win a World Series this year. There will be several of those teams will kind of be making big swings, and then we'll see what else happens. You're talking about the Pittsburgh Pirates. Pittsburgh Pirates are going to be the other direction. Basically, Paul Skeens is off limits, and everybody else can be traded. All right, okay. Baseball's awesome. Football's amazing.

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1:19:35Pat McAfee:And our conversation with Orlovsky earlier was special too. Let's go to that now. Oh, we got the windshield wiper fart thing right back in play all of a sudden. Let me guess. You didn't fart today when it happens.

1:19:53Pat McAfee:Can you please not fart? Last time I seen you in this vehicle, you all over yourself. I will not fart, I promise. Dan, this is the best your beard has ever looked. And also your hair. You look kind of cool. They're kind of lit, bro. The touch of gray, yeah, it looks real good. Yeah, wait till you get to mine, just straight white. I'm getting straight white right now. It's summertime. I'm Bob Barker. Summertime. Tell you one thing. How old are you, Pat? 38. Dude, I'm 41. I turned 42 in a month. Happy birthday. Thanks. My body is changing. I feel like I'm a 60-year-old person. I have no idea how people my age can, my hair is gray.

1:20:38I stubbed a toe yesterday on a bounce house. Yeah.

1:20:41Pat McAfee:That's athleticism more than anything. Bounce house also soft. Yeah. I think maybe mentality is a part of your problem, but also I agree with you. Wow. I used to, I used to not stretch. I used to not warm up. You know, like what prime says, like you ever see a cheetah scratch? Never see that, you know, that, that whole thing. I, I firmly believe that. I think I was the only kicker and punter in the history to not believe in stretching and everything like that. I'd be able to just wake up. It happened. Training camp. I took a nap. Haptics and sounds. Did not get the alarm. Punt period's first period.

1:21:15Pat McAfee:It's 11 minutes from when I wake up to the start of punt period. And I just, locker room, pads on, to the field, bombs. Just fucking bombs. And I was like pretty proud of me. I was like, look at me. I still got it. If I was to do that now, it would require three surgeries. I think my hamstring would be gone, hip flexor, and probably my back. And also, let's not even think about the amount of anxiety I would have sprinting over there. I might pull a muscle in my brain. It might blow an Achilles. Yeah, you're right. It's crazy how fast it happens. So that leads to this. It happens so quick. Aaron Rodgers is like 50 years old playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers right now.

1:21:51Pat McAfee:Now, there are some Pittsburgh Steelers fans who obviously will hold against you everything you've been saying this offseason about the Pittsburgh Steelers. But on that note, we are now at a point where the Pittsburgh Steelers are loaded. T.J. Watt back. Highest paid non-quarterback in the history of the NFL. Obviously, they got DK for 30 mil. Darius Slay comes in, let alone Jalen Ramsey and, oh yeah, Aaron Rodgers. Now, already stacked roster with a lot of vets who have had a lot of success, just haven't been able to really get over the hump. What are your expectations on this Pittsburgh Steelers team?

1:22:24Pat McAfee:and we talked about this earlier, Aaron Rodgers slept in the dorms that night before training camp. What do you want to talk about being excited to be there? I think that is how you would be describing that situation. So what are your thoughts on the Steelers now after all the shit you talked this offseason, Dano? The season comes down to three things. Reality when it comes to the ultimate goal. Number one, this is the biggest question mark. and the offensive line not only get improved, but stay healthy for an extended period of time. This isn't Rodgers of four, five, six, ten years ago where he can move and kind of cover up for that stuff.

1:23:02And this was a very poor offensive line last year when it came to pass protection. So can that offensive line take a massive jump? If they do, then I think this offense has got a chance to be good. The second part, Rodgers' health. Can he stay healthy? maybe not for like as close to 100 % as possible but can he be at least 80 plus percent health November December like can he feel as healthy as he kind of looked at the back three or four games of last year and then the third thing will be reality of him and Arthur Smith when things go poorly like him and Arthur Smith are both strong personalities I've sat with Arthur Smith before you guys have had him on your show great dude good coach strong personality so like when things maybe hit lulls when they have some moments of struggle when there's some lack of continuity how does how do they work together and figure it out for for the great the the big scheme of the offense and i think those three things will determine kind of how good this offense and team will be i still find it to be a good football team now that they've made their final moves i do not believe

1:24:17Pat McAfee:this is a super bowl contending football team no okay so uh that's a wild thing for all the moves they made with all the vets that they had uh have with the amount of success that they've had without this type of roster you saying you don't think they're a super bowl contending team i think goes against what everybody in pittsburgh feels like this team is supposed to be i think everybody views this as a hey we're going all in i think cam hayward even mentioned uh in the off season about how you know we don't know how many more years we got in this entire thing we got a lot of vets here and omar khan obviously the khan artist shout out to him general manager of the pittsburgh steelers who's been in the pittsburgh steelers organization for a long time i like the fact that he's got the roonies on board too like hey let's go make some plays here iansers are happy i assume the steelers are happy and you brought up a good point there with arthur and Aaron's relationship that I haven't thought about.

1:25:04Pat McAfee:November, those two? Oh, man. Holy shit. I hadn't even thought of it until he mentioned it. It was like, how are they going to get along? I see them getting along swimmingly. I think both of them very deep thinkers even though people wouldn't give a lot of credit to either of them or football players for that. Love your takes there, Dano. We'll see how it goes. You're going to get clipped, though, if it goes well for the Steelers. On that note, AP Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Dano, I appreciate you saying that you do think the Steelers do have a shot at the Super Bowl just then. I do appreciate that.

1:25:34But besides them, in the AFC, is there a world that we live in that it's not Chiefs, Ravens, or Bills? I do not see that. I think the AFC championship game comes out of those three teams. You know, I think the Ravens have the best roster in the AFC. This is like the third year where he said it's the year for Baltimore. and I think that Buffalo is going to be just as good as they have been and they've got a quarterback that, you know, is as good as anybody outside of Patrick. And then obviously the Chiefs will be an improved football team, specifically offensively what they were last year. But I will say this, Tone Diggs, because we all expect those three to be the top three players.

1:26:16The next group, like the next two, three, four teams that you realistically sit there and say, yeah, they got a chance. Colts, Cats, Dolphins. I'm going to tell you, I think Houston's going to be awesome this year. I think Houston has a little bit of a massive bounce back here. Their defense is absolutely loaded. And there's a little bit of a mix and match with their offensive line. They moved on like three or four pieces. New offensive coordinator. I think they're going to be awesome this year. Everyone stupidly talked about this regression for C.J. Stroud last year. His numbers weren't all that different than they were his rookie year.

1:26:55More interceptions, no doubt. but offensive line was bottom five in the NFL. He's lost his number one, number two, number three wide receiver. So I think that football team is going to be – It was a tough year. Absolutely. That'll hurt. Yeah. I think it's going to be fantastic. I think Denver is going to be absolutely awesome. They'll have the best defense or second or third best defense in football, and I think Bo Nix will only improve, but their offensive line will be top six, top seven in the league. So I think if I had to pick two other teams that I really believe, like, deep down full roster can get there, it would be them.

1:27:26Obviously, Cincy with their defense is massive question marks. Their offense can score with anyone. But the Chargers, I want to see how good their weapons play on the outside. But those would be two teams outside of those top three that I'm like, yeah, watch them.

1:27:38Pat McAfee:Denver's fun to think about just because what Bo Nix became at the end of the season. You know, and the way he is fiery, too. I mean, Bo Nix is a fiery guy. Him and Sean Payton's interactions on the sidelines last year were incredible. I really enjoyed. Sean Payton came out and said he's still got some Ferris Bueller in him. And I didn't know what that meant. I did not know what the I've seen the movie I did not 100 % know what it meant but I think what he was trying to say is yeah he's still we're still growing in this entire thing Sean Payton loves this dude and Sean Payton is a great ball coach so we just assume if Sean Payton and the quarterback get along they're going to win games but that is a tough division over there dude you just mentioned the Chargers I mean I just watched Jim Harbaugh poke his head out behind a big tarp you know two of them and I watched him explain it's a peripheral view exercise us basically i'm just moving these things so then justin herbert can't see the wide receiver don't know when he's coming out also wide receiver doesn't know when the ball is coming it's my job to watch the quarterback so he's right there watching the quarterback and then with his other hand he's directing the person behind him to either go one way or the other so justin herbert doesn't know which way the person's coming and then he's going to throw it to him so he has to have his head there because he's got to see the quarterback you see he's got to have it closed because herbert can't see which way wide receiver's going i've never seen this drill before in my He loved it.

1:28:54Pat McAfee:He broke it down for a minute and a half. I watched him yesterday break it down. It's just, you know, because you can't always see the ball. You could tell he was a big fan of the drill. I've never seen the drill either, and then as you're watching him play it, it's like this is a pretty genius for both the quarterback and the wide receiver. It's smart. Quarterback, wide receiver, that ball pops up out of nowhere, and it's like if you drop it, get him out of the league. And for a quarterback, you're standing there sometimes. You can speak to it much better than me. Can't see shit. You're just throwing to like a window basically hoping they get there.

1:29:24Pat McAfee:That's the difference between NFL and college, I think, right? NFL is like this room. College is like you got like this amount of room. I often say it like covered in college is open in the NFL. Has to be, mindset-wise. Yeah, like you can – great quarterbacks throw guys open. Like there is – you know, there is no quote-unquote defense for the perfect throw. And so, you know, in the NFL, if there's an opportunity to throw the guy to a space, and that's why so much of it comes down to ball placement, so much it comes down to touch. Can you throw a guy that might be covered out of his cut to a space that he's open two or three yards from the opening of that cut or the top of that route?

1:30:06That's what makes guys like, you know, Purdy's great at it. Tua's great at it. Honestly, I would tell you that guy was probably one of the best at it that doesn't get enough, and Geno Smith is one of the best at it. Stafford's ridiculous at it. Joe's ridiculous at it.

1:30:20Pat McAfee:Aaron, obviously best of all time. These guys are special. Aaron's been ridiculous at it. Best of all time, they say, right? I don't want to speak out of pocket, but Aaron's ball placement and shit is what he is. That's he is the guy, right? Yeah, Aaron's ball placement is as good as anybody's. I think historians would tell you Montana. Yeah, but Stafford's is ridiculous as well. Marino, Montana, Aaron, Stafford, I think are the conversations for prettiest dots that get thrown, I think. Elway. Yeah, I guess Peyton, too, could throw, but he was a timing guy. He is timing everything. Oh, shit. Josh Allen's got a hose.

1:30:59Pat McAfee:Yeah, Patrick Mahomes. I mean, we can go through them all. But Aaron, like, created the back shoulder all the way. He was the one that started just taking over. Hey, so if I put this thing on your back shoulder while you're running 22 miles an hour, it's unguardable right that's basically what i remember i'll give you a quick erin story about like that type of throw we were playing there i'm gonna call it 10 years ago so 2013 14 15 somewhere around there i think our defensive coordinator was um who's the d coordinator terrell austin down in pittsburgh and um he was our defensive coordinator in detroit at this point and our secondary was good we had like darius slay quandre diggs and we were i was running the scout team in practice and it felt like every rep our defense down in the red zone would just all out blitz you like play zero play man-to-man coverage everybody was blitzing and like on 30 or 30 or friday that week i was like hey ta like i don't think you guys should do this against rogers he's like i was like he's gonna know you're doing it he's like oh we know that he'll know we're doing it and i'm like well then you have no shot and he was like we have no shot whether we do it or not we're just hoping that that our guy will make a play on the ball or not so i remember first quarter third down in the red zone it's like third and 12 i want to say like the 18 yard line something like that and i remember looking at staff and i was like there's no way we zero here right like there's no way we're just gonna play cover to get off the field he's like we're going zero and they zeroed and he threw the ball i believe it was to slay and darius slay was in like Jordy's face mask, like perfect coverage.

1:32:35And Aaron put the ball literally like on Jordy's ear and Jordy turned right at the last second touchdown. And we just looked at each other. Like I was like, Hey man, good luck. Go score 35.

1:32:48Pat McAfee:That's a real thing though. If you've got a guy that can spin it, I mean, that is a great place to be now. Granted, not every strong arm can put the ball exactly where it needs to be, which is why the development of Josh Allen was so spectacular. And anybody that is a young quarterback who has a lot of athleticism and maybe a lot of potential talent everybody points at josh allen and they go hey look at the development from year one to year two year two to year three year three to year four year four to year five he's only gotten better and better with his arms and his mechanics everything like that which leads us to indianapolis indiana ty has a question for you dan oh yeah dan it seems like the colts have the only true quarterback competition going right now i don't know if you've seen it but we saw a pretty spectacular highlight of both quarterbacks earlier today.

1:33:30Foxy, if you want to show Dano. No.

1:33:44So, Dan, you know, you see that. Obviously, you got both guys just ripping it out there, looking good. Okay, sorry. It's one throw. No, I get it. It's one throw. But AR looks different. and he looks like he's in very good shape from the pictures we've seen and obviously that. What do you think of this whole QB situation? Because it kind of seems like it was dimes and now it's kind of more of an open deal again. Yeah, for Anthony, one, stay healthy, obviously. But two, take the easy things and make them easy things. I think that's really going to be the challenge for Anthony Richardson is when Shane Steichen, these play callers, with all these young quarterbacks, one of the things that I learned so much from Gary Kubiak when it came to hauling games, and I think Shane Steichenpaw is a really good game, is like there's times when I'm just hauling this play for us to get five yards.

1:34:35And sometimes it's, whether you're a great athlete when you're seeing these clubs running, sometimes it's trying to give an offensive line a break. Or I haven't gotten Michael Pittman Jr. the ball in five plays. I want to get him a touch. Or I just want to get to second and five because when I call this second and five play, I'm setting it up for another second down play call in a quarter from now. And so I think the more Anthony learns that and realizes that and makes the commitment to treat that four or five-yard completion like the third and ten run or the fourth and goal run, like it's the most important thing you can do in that moment.

1:35:16And to have that high level of focus, the high level of commitment to execution, that it's not just the completion, how you complete it, the timing of it that you do it in, the placement of the throw to maybe steal a yard or two is a big deal. And this happens to a lot of young, ridiculously physically talented young quarterbacks is you think because you're so physically talented, you can make it up the next play or something like that. And the more disciplined that you get, the better you become with that consistency. And then those big plays happen. So I think if you're a coach, you obviously want Anthony to be the guy.

1:35:56But that's the big challenge for Anthony. Yes, stay healthy. Stay on the field. But, dude, you've got to make the layups all the time in that league.

1:36:06Pat McAfee:That was fourth quarter right there, drive at the end of the game. That's how it ended with him running. It was awesome to watch that. And as you watch these highlights, you can't help but get incredibly excited. I mean, he has the potential to be a unicorn. It's there. Has a chance to be a unicorn. He literally does. And you talk about taking, like, first down, second down, third down, check down seriously and everything like that. I think that's just learning to become, you know, a professional athlete that's on a little bit of a different playing field than you have been your entire life because he's always had the fixer.

1:36:31Pat McAfee:You talked about, hey, his athleticism will make it up for the next play. It's like his arm, his athleticism, he's always been a fixer. Like, hey, if this one doesn't work out, who cares? I throw a pick, I'll be able to get back. I miss a throw, I'll be able to get it back. Now it's like hopefully at this stage of his professional career, he knows like, hey, everybody has that that's on the field. You know, like everybody has that. You have an advantage because you are more athletic than basically everybody on the field. You are. It is spectacular to watch. And also everything you're doing off the field, everybody's watching as well because you're the quarterback of the team.

1:37:01Pat McAfee:You're the number four of the overall pick. You, whether you like it or not, are a CEO of a locker room. That is what a quarterback is. We go as you go, brother. We operate how you operate. So everybody watching his every move, if he's able to dial in being a professional quarterback, which is focusing on every play, off the field leading and being a person, you know, he doesn't even have to talk. If he just wants to do as I do, as opposed to what I say, it's all good. It's like the chance is there. Carly has come out and said he's got enough time to save it. Chris Ballard said he's got enough time, more than enough time to still save it.

1:37:31Pat McAfee:It's like with everything that's gone on and how slow of a start it's been for his career as a whole, it's still all out there in front of him, possible. And I think this too, Pat, Like there comes, and I remember how Shanahan saying this, as a quarterback, like you have to fully understand top to bottom. Like when we give you the ball, everybody's job is in your hands. Everybody's. Everybody within the building's job is in your hands. And that's a big burden and that's a lot of pressure. But that's just the reality of that position. So like the more when the more you can understand, like, dude, everyone's job is in your decision decision making hands.

1:38:14You have this you go to this reverence of like, no, I can't be careless with that. I can't be reckless with it. Oh, this actually does matter. And there's rather like, yo, Chris Ballard chose you, you know, like it was you. He chose shame for you and you. They chose you. And so, like, you've got to prove those guys right and do right by those guys because their future and those roles in the NFL very much so is dependent on what you do every single play.

1:38:42Pat McAfee:He's got backers. He's got supporters, obviously, in the building and in a genre of fans here for the Indianapolis Colts. And I think we're all hoping for him to do great. I am. I know that. I am at the point of realization that, like, he could be so special. and he can be so, so special. I can't just hold things against him. He's 20, what, two years old? Yeah, 23 years old or whatever it is. It's like, let's go, dude. You have the chance. And that team, they've invested on defensive side. Oh, yeah. They've got a great offensive line seemingly all the time. Got Jonathan Taylor, a lot of weapons.

1:39:15Pat McAfee:And it's like in Daniel Jones, the Colts weren't the only team that wanted to sign Daniel Jones. There was other teams that wanted to sign Daniel Jones. And is he going to have the Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield type situation where his first team, for some reason, doesn't work out, takes a little bit of a road, and then finds a place and goes, absolutely apeshit. He could. And he plays very similar to how Anthony Richardson plays. A lot of people wouldn't think that, obviously, if you just look at Daniel Dimes and you say he's a Duke guy. He looks like he's a little bit of a nerdy guy. It's like he will run.

1:39:45Pat McAfee:That dude will run people over. He will stride out on people. I think Colts are in a good spot. Quarterback competition, though, I think you need to get those over with quick. I think the team needs to know who the guy is. personally, but they know a lot better than I do, and they've named a starting quarterback in years past, and it hasn't worked out. Now, on that note. I think that's too bad. Real quick on Indy. Yeah, I'm sorry. I think they also give whoever they choose a month. I think they give the guy the month, and you either are getting it done and we're good, or if you're not getting it done, we're going to the next guy.

1:40:16Pat McAfee:You're saying the Leafs should be at least a few weeks. Shouldn't feel as if, or the Yanks should be at least a few weeks. We don't need to feel as if every single play, we're looking over our shoulder who's next. I assume they'll handle it right. Shane Steichen, Chris Ballard, a lot of respect for them. Good luck to them as they do it. And D, but you said the locker room knows. I think that's evident, I would assume. Because the locker room can't pick and choose favorites, okay, just because of personal feelings. Because everybody's job to Dan Orlovsky is reliant upon said person. There might be people pulling for somebody.

1:40:46Pat McAfee:Hey, I hope you ball out today. Like there's been times where I've witnessed a competition happen at a position, and there's one guy who's really good at special teams, and there's one guy who's not. So I would like to go motivate the guy. Hey, need a big day out of you on fucking seven on seven. Need you to learn this shit, okay? Well, I need you personally to do that. Like, that'll certainly happen, but it all plays out on the field and everybody kind of sees it. Everybody kind of sees it on four. And Dan mentioned it. When the quarterback has the ball in his hands, like you have the team's fate in your hand and everybody on that team.

1:41:19You want to win. You want to go to playoffs. Regardless of what situation you're in, free agent, whatever, However, every team wants to pluck from a winner, so you want to be in a good situation, and you can't lie to the locker room. But moving on, I'm going over to the NFC side. We talked about the top of the AFC. NFC side, I don't know why. I honestly don't, but for some reason, I'm really, really high on Dak Prescott and the Cowboys. I love the George picking the dish. I don't know why. I'm never in on the Cowboys. I like Shottie. I think he'll surprise a lot. We like Shottie too? As a head coach, there's always headlines, dealing with Jerry Jones and an organization with Michael Parsons.

1:41:55They'll get that figured out. What's your expectations for the Cowboys? Dak Prescott.

1:42:00Pat McAfee:It's connections unstable. Unbelievable. And the guy is going forward. It's a Cowboys. He's out on the Cowboys, I guess. Jerry Jones said, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. How about him just actually being like a five-year deal? I'm committing to somebody for five years. That's a long time. Is there still cars on the road? In this sport? A lot of water under that bridge. And that water under that bridge? Let's talk about it. It might have E. coli in it. Yeah. And one of my guys I pay five years gets in that water, gets sick. He's shitting out of his ass and his mouth. Can't play two, three weeks.

1:42:31Pat McAfee:I'm still paying the guy. Do you want to do that? I don't want to do that. Are you going to pay Micah? You ever pay a bunch of money to somebody and they suck? I have. I have. And the press conference. Jesus. That's how we're starting the season, Jim. Wow. I don't think we need a little bit of heat. Yeah. Somebody said something to him before he gets up on that press conference. He's like, they need to remember who's doing what around here. It's Jerry's world, literally and figuratively. Between him and Mike Brown. I don't know what they said at the owners-only meeting, but there had to be someone in there getting them riled up.

1:43:03Like, hey, it's kind of weird. All these players seem to have a lot of power. You guys still own these teams or no? And then all of them left. Are people really saying this? Okay, fine.

1:43:16Pat McAfee:I own the Cowboys. the players don't own the Cowboys. That's not what they're saying, Jerry. Everyone's saying Dak and Mike. They're saying we're the NBA? Yeah, kind of. I'll set that shit straight. Call Mike Brown. Hey, we're done with the NBA. They're saying we're the NBA fucking A. That's seemingly what. For sure. That's what happens. I mean, the first day of training camp, you'd think teams would be pumped. Football is back. Our business is back. Everything's good. Instead, it's about sick of these players' shit, aren't you? All right. I love that Micah and Trevon just went out there and had their own.

1:43:52Press pop. Impromptu. Hey, what's up? Got any questions?

1:43:55Pat McAfee:I got to go get a haircut. Okay, Dan, will you answer about Dak? Will you answer about Dak? Yeah. Yeah, sorry, I got a haircut. What was the question, D-Bot? Like, you're just high on him. Well, I am high on him. I do love, you know, the moves. I love what they did in the draft. But what's your overall expectation? I know we haven't seen Dak for a while with the, you know, with his injury coming back. He is the highest paid quarterback in the NFL for a reason. But what's your expectation for that team going forward this year? I think Dallas is a good football team that is going to be a playoff-contending football team.

1:44:24I agree. I think the offense would be a good offense. A bunch of high picks in their offensive line. I think Shottie's going to be, like, sneaky good. I think Schottenheimer is going to be who Mike McCarthy kind of set out to be initially, which was, you know, once he took over the play calling. That's what it is. You know, they want to be dominant running the football and a heavy play action team. I think we're going to be much – there will be much more of a reduced split offense, which is something we've talked about a little bit on NFL Live, is like how much the offensive football in the NFL has changed, cut splits.

1:44:58And so I think that's going to help their offense. I think this is a top 10 offense in the NFL that will be very much so dependent upon is their defense okay, is their defense top 15, top 16 in the NFL. but I think Dak plays well. To your point, he's got to stay healthy. I don't think we're going to see Dak Prescott, which would, you know, four years ago when he had to throw for like 38 touchdowns for them to win some games, I think they'll be a little bit more balanced on offense, but more big play centric.

1:45:29Pat McAfee:All right. Well, we appreciate the hell out of you stopping by. Who's winning the Super Bowl, Dan? I think either Philadelphia or Baltimore. All right. Pull on ticker. We appreciate you. You enjoy your summer Wednesday out there. Good shrubbery behind you. Is that the house or are you somewhere else? No, no. I'm going to walk in to get a haircut right now. I'm in the parking lot. Oh, where are you at? Sport Clips or Great Clips like Kirk Cousins? No, no. I'm at Westport Cut and Shave. I got to get cut up. Oh, nice. One of the best. Wow. Don't touch the beard, Dan. It looks too good. Don't touch it.

1:46:02Pat McAfee:Do they use heated foam with the straight edge on that thing? Yeah, but I don't shave. I don't like shave, shave. I use an electric razor. but they do my neck. Put some beijing. You're telling me they don't straight? They don't do the? Not for me. They do it for other humans. Maybe just let that thing continue to flow. Not bad. Yeah, it looks good. It looks pretty good, dude. I don't cut the top in the summer. Oh, it's kind of like. Long hair don't care, bro. Ragtop down so this long hair can blow, too. I see you up there in the Jeep. All right, good luck. Enjoy your day. Congrats on another contract with ESPN.

1:46:37Pat McAfee:Yeah. There we go. Congrats, Dan. Congrats. The subtweets worked again. Master businessman. All right, we appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Dan Herlovsky. He does weapon those exes. Oh, yeah. He really does. All the time. All right, boys. What an incredible weekend. Hell, yeah. It has been. It really has. Now, people are going to make fun of us for taking another couple days off here, and I want to let you know there's more to come. Yeah, jokes on you people. I want you to know there's more. They're doing the same in summer. Well, and we have logged a lot of, because of the run that we've been on, there's a lot of days where we're like, hey, we got the 50 and 50 thing.

1:47:19Pat McAfee:If you guys would like to maybe have a three-day, four-day weekend, you want to take this off, this is happening this week. For the first time, I think, in our career, I've gone, you know what I will? There's a lot of me out here. Maybe we do slow down. Maybe we do slow down a little bit. At Disney, they don't carry over either. If you don't use them, you lose them. Yeah, it's a year of things. Gone. Ridiculous. Gone. It's not ridiculous. What happened to carry over minutes? Well, I will say, as the person who negotiated the contract, I would like to say I'm appreciative of those off days. We very rarely have taken them, though.

1:47:53We kind of feel like we've been lucky to have this platform, this opportunity,

1:47:58Pat McAfee:and also we appreciate the people that follow along with us so much. And a lot of people sent us messages about they spend their afternoon or maybe they're going through something, whether it's an injury or some sort of treatment. So I hate us missing days. Just know we got a lot logged in there. You can go catch up all. Yeah. True. There's a lot of terrible show that you can go watch. Tons. Because we did a lot of it. And we're gearing up for the biggest football season we've ever had. So I'm very excited. Next Wednesday, we're in Pittsburgh. next Thursday. We're in Canton, Ohio at the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1:48:32Pat McAfee:Come see us. Come see us. We're going to be at both of those things. I have no idea what the setup's going to be like. I assume at training camp you're able to go. I was up there as a child. There's places for fans to hang out and make you a hug from Kevin Green. Wow. What's the name of the city at a training camp? Latrobe. You sure? Because I get a lot. Look, I do a little extra research now on pronouncing cities' names correctly. what you know are you sure so what i've been told is you know i've heard it pronounced this way my entire life i've heard people say lay trope okay and i saw a couple people in the uh comments say it's lay trope and nick moraldo is certainly a lay trope guy out there i think everybody in the state calls it letro people from letrope though i believe call it lay trope so maybe we should pay respect to the late latrobians old school and call it late trope at the trope yeah but you just skipped it there's diner at late trope is what you would have to say there if you were really rolling there nick you've never said it like that before until the last couple days once i started getting comments on how i said it uh it seems like you are potentially trying to uh make me feel like an idiot or is this now late trope going forward in your eyes i think i'm gonna respect the good citizens of Latrobe, and I saw those same comments.

1:49:50So I said, okay, you know what? I will change the way I've said this my entire life. Yes, yeah. It's been Latrobe. It's all I've ever heard. And now all of a sudden we're saying Latrobe.

1:50:01Pat McAfee:I've been up to Latrobe. I've been to training camp as a little boy. As a little boy, I was up to Latrobe. It sounds Canadian. Latrobe sounds American. Latrobe sounds like it's right outside Calgary. Yeah, but it's not L-E-S, which would be like the French. Like Latrobe. It's not Latrobe. It is L-A-T-R-O-B-E, which I think in our language would be Latrobe. I think some idiots would say Latrobe. And then the people of Latrobe say it's Latrobe. Anyways, we'll be there on Wednesday. Cannot wait to see the Inzers. Cannot wait to see the Latrobians, brother. Cannot wait to see them. Hopefully, come on, say hello.

1:50:40The only way to get to the bottom of this is you've got to go look up an Arnie Palmer interview and see how he said it since he is the greatest person to ever be from Latrobe.

1:50:47Pat McAfee:From there, great drink, too. He had to make billions of dollars off of the license in his name for that. Do you think we're going to see a lot of those on your chest there on Wednesday? Yeah. Italian yinzers? Yeah. Bring nose to the shirt. I have that mug. I have that mug. It really makes me feel good more when I'm drinking my Nesquadras. That's coming off my chest. On that note. That's the first time you've said that. On that note. Jeez Louise. It's all over your chest. Talks the table. Great work. Thank you, man. You too. Have a great weekend. Everybody in the back, great work. Getting lazier as we get older, but football season's going to be big.

1:51:24Pat McAfee:Boom. Football season's going to be very big. August 30th, college game day. Texas, Ohio State. Lee Corso's last headgear pick. Cannot wait for that. It's going to be an emotional start to the college football season, but also a massive start to the college football season. Obviously, the Hall of Fame game on Thursday. We'll be there helping kick it all off. than Hall of Famers go in in the weekend. Great class of Hall of Famers. All the teams are at training camp. Yeah. Football's back. Here we go. And, hey, why not, over the next few days, make amends with some people? Yeah. Yeah. Go talk to some people.

1:51:58Pat McAfee:And maybe you haven't had a chance to chit-chat about. Go learn about some people. Maybe show some people some love, like I got to do. What an honor it was. And as a lot of you know, on February 26th of this year, We're Down to Combine on this particular program. We discussed a very viral internet story about an Ole Miss college student. We weren't clear at that point where the story originated from. It was all over the internet. Yet by the time we talked about it, the story was everywhere. I have since learned that the story was not true and that my show played a role in the anguish caused to a great family and especially to a young woman, Mary Kate Cornett.

1:52:35Pat McAfee:I think you all know from tuning into this program that I never want to be a source of negativity or contribute to another human suffering. And I can now happily share with you that I recently got to meet Mary-Kate and her family. And I got a chance to sincerely apologize to them and acknowledge that what I said about Mary-Kate was based solely on what others were saying on the internet or had been previously reported by others. And that we had no personal knowledge about Mary-Kate or her personal life. As a girl dad, I also was very thankful for the opportunity to let Mr. Cornette know that I was wildly regretful for the part that our show, our program, played in his daughter, Mary Kate's pain.

1:53:12Pat McAfee:I know many of you are wondering why I or we haven't addressed this topic until now. It's a fair question. But as you might imagine, there was a lot going on behind the scenes since this all happened. The most important element on the timing is I personally, a decision that I made, wanted to talk to the family first before addressing it publicly. and I can now say that I had the opportunity to meet them, chat with them, and they're wonderful people. And I'm very thankful that they gave me the opportunity to tell them how sorry I was that this all happened and that our program was a part of this.

1:53:44Pat McAfee:I deeply regret the pain that was caused. I hated watching what our show was a part of in our interviews and reading about it. And my hope is that this can be something that we all learn from going forward. I know we certainly have. Our goal with this show is to make the world a happier place, a better place, to celebrate life and sports and to unify, folks. I and we don't always get it right, but we'll never stop trying. Thank you to the Cornettes for the time and the conversation. Now, we will all try to get back to trying to make this world a little better place, a little happier place. And we hope you have the greatest weekend of all time.

1:54:20Pat McAfee:Thank you to the Cornettes for allowing me to introduce myself, chit-chat to you, with you, and also let you know that I am so sorry that we were part of this portion in story, in chapter of your family's life. On that note, greatest summer weekend of all time is right around the corner. Have a good one. Don't be scared to go shake some hands, meet some people you might disagree with, and understand that we all get to live this life just one time. We have no idea what's happening tomorrow, so let's enjoy it all. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together.

1:54:52Pat McAfee:Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.

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On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys jump around to all the different teams in the NFL as all teams have reported for training camp, while also checking in on what’s happening around the sports world as a whole. Joining the show to chat about all the different contract situations still happening around the league is NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport. Next, Nascar legend, Kyle Busch joins the show to chat about his career and this weekend’s Pennzoil 250 in Indianapolis. Lastly, 12 year NFL veteran at Quarterback, ESPN NFL analyst, Dan Orlovsky joins the show to chat about who he thinks will win the AFC this year, his thoughts on the Colts QB situation, what he thinks of Rodgers in Pittsburgh, and more. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’re off for a few days. We’ll see you on Monday. Cheers.
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