PMS 2.0 1381 - NFL Training Camps in Full Swing, Adam Schefter, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

18:22Pat McAfee:I love you, too. So he busted his mom. So that's commitment to the bit, but that's what the bananas would do. No, no, no. No, he busted his shit. All right, let's go camping. Let's go camping, shall we, with our top. Hey, Rack, we hope you're okay. Way to bounce back and hit that rack flip. That's right. All right, our top five plays that our algorithm showed us from the weekend of training camp. Let's go camping. Let's go to Music City. Let's go to Nashville, Tennessee. Let's go to the number one overall pick, Cam Ward. Remember, the general manager said, hey, you don't pass on a generational talent.

18:55Pat McAfee:Cam Ward drafted to the Tennessee Titans. Roll left, cross body, throwback, perfect dot to Calvin Ridley. This is what Calvin Ridley had to say after practice about Cam Ward joining the Tennessee Titans.

19:07Adam Schefter:Man, when we picked him, man, I was, bro. It feels different around here. You know, it feels, in the building, it feels like just really because of him. That first pick, when we got him and it was him, man, it just feels crazy, honestly. It feels good that we got a good quarterback. He's confident, and we got to keep him confident and protect him because he's special.

19:29Pat McAfee:He talks a lot of shit. On one of his streams, he actually said Calvin Ridley is one of the top five wide receivers in the league whenever he was asked about it. Almost gave away that he was going to go to the Tennessee Titans. But now that we watch him and learn more about him, he was the obvious number one pick here. And Tennessee might be for real with this guy. You find your quarterback, you can find a team and a culture, AJ. Well, think of all the hope we have, like our Tennessee people have, just from seeing Cam Warden camp for a week. And I understand the big throws that he makes, that is impressive.

19:56I'm honestly more impressed by how he carries himself and the stories from his coach talking about how confident he is, how well his recall is on the play calling as he's talking trash to the defenders, and he's getting the play calling this year and he's able to get it out perfectly. Honestly, that is almost more impressive to me than his arm strength.

20:11Pat McAfee:Head coach Callahan said, it's the first time I've ever experienced it. I'm actually listening to him talk shit to somebody while giving him the play call. And then I ask him if I need to repeat it. And he says, no, you're good, man. I'm good. We keep it moving. And the way Calvin Ridley's talking feels like the same way the University of Miami started talking whenever he showed up there. He is a magnetic force, it feels like, DB.

20:30Adam Schefter:Yeah, you get a quarterback, you got a chance. And I remember all the videos with him and Shadour kind of training during their off seasons, even going into their last college years and all this shit. He's talked the confidence that he has, the bravado he carries himself with, and then he backs it up with the play. A guy like Calvin Ridley, when you are a wide receiver, we're all dependent on other guys around us, but wide receiver is the most dependent position, I believe, out there. And then Callahan, you know, he has the O-line pedigree. So you got an O-line that can protect that guy. You got a chance to build in a division that you can compete with.

21:01Adam Schefter:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't know about that, brother.

21:04Pat McAfee:Let's go to Seattle. Talk about a young quarterback that had no conversation about him coming into the NFL. Jalen Milrow. You remember Grave Digger against Auburn. You remember the highlights. What about a throw to Jackson Smith and Jigba down the sideline? Is it in or out you make the call? Well, we can't fucking see it all. But I will say, powered by Boeing, scares me a little bit, but also makes me excited that Boeing is sponsoring things as it moves forward. Jalen Milrow, though, nobody was talking about him as an NFL quarterback. Nice to see a highlight coming out of camp.

21:36Adam Schefter:Coach Belichick was pretty high on him, and obviously we know how Nick Saban felt the bottom at Bama. But, yeah, you get a guy, and I love him, Jig, but he's an absolute weapon. It'll be – is he going to have a chance? Do you know Darnold's going to be there? He's going to be the guy. But, yeah, Jalen Monroe, he is a weapon. I expect him to see the field at some point. Yeah, the package quarterback because he is one of the best athletes whenever he touched the field. And, look, I'm in the air a lot. I love bowling. Keep bringing it, bowling. Yeah, keep bringing it. Please. But you've got to force them, I think, because they're everywhere.

22:03Adam Schefter:But, yeah,

22:05Pat McAfee:come on. Yes. We need you. We need you. Let's go to Oxnard, California. You know, there's a lot happening over there. And we'll talk about Jerry talking, Micah talking, the business and shawty's first training camp. Let's go to a great moment on the defensive side. Man who was brought in from the Buffalo Bills, Kyrie Elam. Track, pick, celebrate with your team and maybe the fans. Hey, there's a little baby boy here. I'm going to go ahead and scoop him. You got the ball. Hold him up like Simba. The place goes bananas. Love the good vibes coming out of training camp because all we've heard from Dallas is negativity, A.J.

22:43Pat McAfee:Hawk. Yeah, you know, what we normally, whenever you see that yellow tubing on that fence over there when you're talking about Oxnard, what are we usually seeing? We're usually seeing a huge full-team brawl between the Cowboys offense and defense, whoever it may be, and there's usually fans that are almost getting some friendly fires. This is a great little turnaround, I guess, real positive influence, a little positive thing to happen. You talk about the fans getting friendly fire. I think Dak Prescott got some friendly fire, too, last year at this side of the field whenever things were happening at that point.

23:11Pat McAfee:It was a beautiful scene. He's brand new to the Cowboys as well.

23:13Adam Schefter:Yes, he is. You know, had a rough out, a rough ending, I would say, in his tenure in Buffalo. But sometimes you need a fresh start. You know, a fresh start. It's a lot of talent on that Dallas defensive side of the ball, especially once they get parts in them building. So, you heard, he was a high first-round pick, so he has the talent. Hopefully, this is a system that he can get out there and make plays. But I love making plays like that. And that moment for that kid, for that family, you know, You'll be able to remember that forever.

23:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's beautiful. Everybody rallying around it, too. It looks like the boys' vibes are high, even though there's drama everywhere else. You know, Bubba was in old England, going driver off the deck. Yeah, sure. Let's go to New England with Drake with a big deck. He has a big deck, big yard. Yep, you bet. Big ball here to Pop Douglas. Boston Conner got all excited watching this. How come, Pop? Yeah, I mean, look, it's PMS over action money. There's a reason that New England Patriots fans and fans of other teams that haven't been so good are so excited right now pats are running the super bowl and drake may is going to win mvp so yeah there's a reason stuff like this gets you juiced up love to see it all good things uh to your points those fake stats they're real for teams of uh bad uh teams or fans of bad teams and uh drake may has been like you know 20 21 all camp so incredible to see and look at all those fans the support is very strong for mike variable and the boys who are in full pass i saw a lot of fans at a lot of training camp feels like the buzz for the nfl this year is very very high we're thankful to get out tost vincent on wednesday then to the hall of fame game on thursday we'll get a chance to feel it but all the camps had a lot of people i did see kellen moore down there in new orleans he spoke to about 30 people sure he mentioned three times in there how hot it was yeah i couldn't even imagine indiana was like 100 degrees this weekend new orleans with this heat wave they were having that had to be insufferable down there so shout out to their fans showing up as well in Kellen's first training camp.

25:00Pat McAfee:And now, let's come right here to Indianapolis, Indiana. You know, you talk about teams that aren't worried about stats during training camp. We are a team that is worried about stats in training camp. No doubt. Because there's a quarterback competition. And I'll tell you what, everybody that's been up there says there's not really a competition anymore. Whoa. Everybody seemingly is a bunch of... Believe ours. A-R to Alec Pierce. On the right. High streak. To Alec Pierce. Now, Alec looks absolutely yoked. He's on a contract here. Obviously, he was put in the work all offseason. His upside is also so immense.

25:36Pat McAfee:Just like AR's upside is so immense. These two, if they're able to connect this year, can become an absolute weapon on the offensive side. But all eyes are on number five right there. Is he going to be a guy whose career is going to go one way or the other? This is the chance. Carly Ursa, Kalen Ursa, and Casey Ursa, all the ownership of the Indianapolis Colts, have come out and said, hey, he's still got time to turn this entire thing around. Chris Ballard, general manager, hey, he's still got time to turn this entire thing around. He knows that he still has time to turn this whole thing around.

26:07Pat McAfee:Different traits before practices. He's doing walk-through reps in his mind, getting after it. He looks like he's in incredible shape. Will that hurt him when it comes to taking hits during the season? We shall see. But it feels like a lot of question marks that we've had about Anthony Richardson as a quarterback and as a professional have seemingly come back the other way this training camp early. but it does feel good to be a maybe a Believer.

26:28Adam Schefter:I love Believer. In competition, look, it brings out the best in it. You have a true What, AJ? What are you laughing at? Are you not a Believer? You haven't seen that? Please tell me the origin of this whole Believer situation.

26:42Pat McAfee:Someone's not a Believer. I'll tell you what. I could be. I just don't know where it came from. Are you a non-Believer? We're looking near and far for Believer near and not on Believer. We're a star. It's not that hard to be a Believer. We're near and far. We need a Believer. That's all we need, dude. Yeah, straight in. Cleared it up. Thank you, guys. I'm a Believer now. Boom. We got him. He looks good. What I'm saying, he looks good.

27:15Adam Schefter:He does. I am a Believer. He's got some big steps to take. Availability is number one. You've got to be available for your team when you're a quarterback. We saw Tua talking about that, and everybody knows that. Fan, coach, whoever you are, you want your starting quarterback out there. If he wins this job, coach fans, you want him to be the guy. And it was some conversation, I believe, last week about is this a make-or-break year. Maybe not for AR for his complete career, but as far as his career here in Indianapolis, I think this is a make-or-break year for five. Ton of weapons out there. Alec Pierce obviously being one of them.

27:45Adam Schefter:You got Pittman. You got Downs. You got AD. You got JT in the backfield, and then big Tyler Warren, the big tight end we got out of Penn State. So you have the weapons. You have Shane Steichen, who we know can call a good offense. You have all the pieces in place to be a really, really good offense. And we know the pieces that were made on the other side of the ball as well. So I'm excited. I'm definitely a believer.

28:05Pat McAfee:Pine tree, oak tree. How about the ogletree, brother? Did you see this? We're talking about all the weapons on the offensive side. Hi. Damn. Hey, boom. Give me that. It's moving quick. Yeah, I love that. Love everything about what's coming out of the coach training camp. Happy we won camping. Joining us now is a man who knows all about our campsite. this guy can rub sticks together and make fire ladies and gentlemen senior nfl insider at espn adam shefter sorry we made you wait there we had to go camping i assume you got a lot of work done there uh let's talk about some questions first of all how are you everything good jacked great great and uh no complaints here pat we're happy okay we are very happy football's back it feels amazing let's talk about some outstanding issues around the nfl we'll start in dallas obviously micah jerry whole situation has become very loud in public now kair elam makes a big play grabs a baby they all have a good time so i think the team and football aspect not being bothered in shoddy's first year as a head coach but when it comes to jerry and micah and how all that shit is gone do we think that has any effect on how long it takes for this deal to get done or do we think that is all just literal noise as we move through training camp?

29:19Well, it's been bogged down. It hasn't gained a lot of traction, and it feels like both sides are digging into their respective stances, and there hasn't been a lot of movement in recent weeks or months. You know, the Cowboys haven't talked offers and deals since probably late in March, early April around the owners meetings when Jerry seemed to imply that he thought a deal was close to getting done, and then it didn't get done. And then obviously Micah said, we're not doing a deal without my agent, David Mulgetta. And then they and the Cowboys have not had a lot of conversations since then. And I don't think Dallas has made since that time any pressing effort to get a deal done.

29:58So obviously there's a lot there that's just sort of sitting there and there hasn't been a lot of positive momentum to get a deal done. But everybody thinks at some point, of course, it'll get done and Micah will be the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history but again slow going so far everybody thought TJ

30:16Pat McAfee:Watts deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers would get done I wondered whenever he held out of the mandatory minicamp that deal inevitably gets done everybody thinks Micah and the Dallas Cowboys is going to get done we assume that'll get done as well he's in his fifth year though of his rookie contract it's an abnormal situation for a superstar player whether it's with the Dallas Cowboys or not I think Micah handling it the way he's been handling actually bravo Bob I think he's handled it very, very well. Could have been much louder and more negative about it all. Said he wants to be there for his team.

30:43Pat McAfee:Hopefully it works out in Shottie's first year as a head coach. Let's travel north a little bit. Same type of situation. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Shepty, any updates? What's the latest Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati? Have they gained any ground? Is there any chance that he's going to be in the building anytime sooner rather than later? AJ, here's where they're at, essentially. The deal is in place, but there is a disagreement over the guaranteed money in the deal. And it's a big disagreement so far. Now, maybe the two sides can figure out a way to bridge their differences, but the Bengals typically have not guaranteed full deals.

31:17They did it for Joe Burrow. They did it essentially for Jamar Chase. They're not willing to do it for Trey Hendrickson. And so it's up to the two sides to figure out what is the proper guarantee. They could agree on the years. They could agree on the average. None of those are issues right now. The whole issue, the whole hang-up, and the reason that Trey Hendrickson still is in Florida today is over guaranteed money. How far apart, Shefty? Do you have any idea how far apart they might be on this? Yeah, I would say, I mean, it depends who you're asking, but I would say anywhere between$6,$7,$8,$9,$10 million in guaranteed money.

31:59Pat McAfee:6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Depends. I don't know. What would Trey be willing to do? Let's put it this way. Multiple millions, multiple millions apart in guaranteed money. How about that? Is it one-year deal they're still offering? Because they're offering like a bump on this year, right? And he wants a three-, four-year deal or whatever it is. All they've been willing to do is just for this year where they give you more guaranteed money. Is that what you're talking about and alluding to? year and the millions off because over a three or four year period if they're only four million dollars off that's actually only or six million dollars off that's only a little bit over a million each year that they're off this is for a one year multiple millions of dollars off i think the bingles are off one years of guarantee i think they're talking about some guarantees in the second year but they're not talking about enough guaranteed money in the second so it's just a one year bump up then it's not they want them to sign a two-year deal be locked in then we're in the same situation next offseason with the same shit?

33:01If and when a deal gets done, I would expect it to be a three-year contract. If and when it gets done.

33:10Pat McAfee:With two years of guarantees, then. Assumingly, if you just look at the math there. Three-year with a two-year guarantee. Probably TJ just did that, I think, right? TJ and Miles both got three guaranteed, basically. Yeah, but it was a two-and-a-half. On a four-year contract. Got it. So if you drop that down to three, you would assume it would be a two-year guarantee. Is that what Trey wants, Shefty? I think that if the Bengals don't guarantee close to two years worth of money, I think the deal is going to be very slow to get done. And Trey is a very prideful guy. You've spoken to him. You know him.

33:42He's not coming in unless he feels like he's comfortable with the guaranteed money.

33:46Pat McAfee:He's already taken a stand this long. So it's like if he was to not get something that is great, I think a lot of people would look at him sideways, he's including himself in the mirror about why I take this big stand if this is all we're going to get anyways I hope it gets done just strictly because we like Trey and also because Trey has felt forced to do this this is very much out of Trey's character doesn't want to this is not what he wants to do it's like this is what I have to do seemingly and it doesn't have to be this way but maybe it does maybe this is just business and maybe as we move forward at once football starts this is all behind us and who cares because we're in the moment we talk about it more Yeah, but you know, you heard Terry McLaurin last week, I believe it was, or two weeks ago, talk about how frustrated and disappointed he was.

34:29The two holdouts right now are Terry McLaurin and Trey Hendrickson. And for two guys who have meant so much to their organizations to not be there, that tells you how frustrated and disappointed both are. Now, Terry McLaurin's come back and he's changed his stance from a holdout to a hold in, but it's a similar concept here. He's there, but he's not there. He's not practicing. He's not stepping foot on the field until he has a deal that I believe he's comfortable with right now. He says he's got an ankle injury. Now, again, we'll see, but if there was an agreement on a deal, I'll bet his ankle would feel a lot better.

35:09Pat McAfee:Money is a good healer of things. We have certainly seen that in the past. With that being said about the holdout to the hold-in, that's just so he can't be fined what,$100 ,000 a day or whatever it is because that's what a hold up how much he said hey basically he's holding out his 50 000 a day fine he's on his own he's in charge of his training when he comes in the 50 000 a day fine stop and he's around his teammates and he's around their trainers and so there's a big difference guys don't like to be away from their guys during training camp it's an isolating lonely solitary feeling like in a perfect world you you want to be around the guys hey man always want to be around the lads on that note debutt has yeah i know he showed up with the

35:54Adam Schefter:and he showed up with his agent buddy baker and he talked about the ankle injury and i saw that the commanders put him on pup i guess what goes into that and then uh what just like do you have any more details just like with the tray uh contract how far are they apart i know if you look at uh comparables out there dk signed a big deal this offseason they were drafting the same Even though Terry's a couple years older, Terry hasn't missed a game in five years. What's the separation there in that deal right now with the Commanders and Terry? It's been vast. Vast. Wow. It's been vast. And so it's up to the two sides to figure out a way to bridge their differences.

36:32But I would say that DK Metcalf was the same draft class as Terry McLaurin. He got about$33 million a year. I wouldn't think that Terry is willing to take less than that and I think he wants considerably more than that now what it comes in at, we'll wind up seeing Washington, they're not there right now and they love and value Terry McLaurin but they love and value him at a different price so these two sides right now seem apart on the deal they don't seem close today and I don't know how they're going to get that resolved and figured out, but these things usually find a way of working themselves out over time.

37:13But as of today, I don't get the sense that anything's close.

37:16Pat McAfee:You love and value me, but don't value me as much as the Pittsburgh Steelers value a guy that's never played for them. Who's the same age. Who's had worse numbers than I have the last couple. I mean, that is where Terry's sitting. That is where Terry is sitting. And you talk about not that, not that I'm not pumped about DK Metcalf coming to Pittsburgh Steelers. and Yenzer's learning about DK Metcalf seemingly every single practice. They're like, have you seen this guy? This guy, we haven't seen any. Is this the only human that has built the way that he is? I mean, Yenzer's learning of DK Metcalf has been awesome to watch.

37:50Pat McAfee:Just one of the, holy fuck, have you seen this guy? He runs this, he's unbelievable. Yeah, he is, I mean, he's, whoa. He's built very differently than everybody else. That guy is the best. Yeah. Coming off the bus, DK's in a great spot. Wait, wait, hold up. Who was the guy? Was that DK? Yeah, it was DK, right? Where Pete Carroll, when he came in for the draft visit, took off his shirt. That was DK, wasn't it? Yeah. And DK and A.J. Brown were, what, teammates there for a little bit? At Ole Miss? I mean, what an absolutely nightmare scenario. Okay, well, good luck to Terry. Hopefully he gets a job done.

38:29Pat McAfee:That video we're seeing, not of him talking to Warner or whatever. He was talking to Buddy Baker, his agent. That's from today. That is from an hour ago or whatever. So Buddy Baker with Terry on property.

38:41Adam Schefter:He's a head scratcher. Trey, good guy. Mike or Trey, great guy, great locker room guy. Terry, great locker room guy. And this is, I think, maybe his first year coming back with the same returning starting quarterback. You would think you would want that guy in the building and build with that offense with Cliff and what they have.

38:59Pat McAfee:Oh, a chef's a thotus they love and value.

39:02Adam Schefter:Oh, you're right. You're right. What am I saying? Hey, you know, Buddy Baker's an indie guy. You should get him on there. Get him in the Thunderdome. Yeah, definitely.

39:10Pat McAfee:I love agents. Maybe with Terry.

39:13Adam Schefter:Another indie guy.

39:14Pat McAfee:Would love to have Terry. Yeah, bring Terry. Would love to have Terry. Just you need to know over there, Washington, Terry's not worth it. Get him out of there. You don't need any distractions. Young career right now for Jaden. I saw Jay Lynn doing things down the field, making great catches. You got new ownership over there. You guys got to worry about the stadium stuff. That's a lot. Don't let Terry and Buddy stand around distract you guys. Ship them both out of town. Send them right back to Indianapolis where they came from. Kick those guys out of your facility and send them right to Indianapolis.

39:50Pat McAfee:And you might even get maybe a pick back. Like six-round picks. Six-round picks. I saw Terry McLaurin wearing a Believe R shirt. He is a Believe R. He knows. Okay, let's talk about some other. Go ahead, Shefty. I don't think the commanders are reminded today that they have any interest in trading Terry McLaurin. Now, what transpires down the line? Good circumstances change and event shift? Sure, but I think today on July 28th, commanders have no interest in trading him today. We'll see if anything changes over time. Okay, what's going on, Vegas? Huh? ABC reporter says, only thing we've heard? It's very weird.

40:29Pat McAfee:Very weird incidents. Now, this is Nick Walters, ABC Sports out there in Las Vegas. He's been trying to figure out what the hell happened here. What happened with it? We paid him a lot of money. Great football player. They voided now$35.2 million. That's going to be an entire thing in litigation with the NFLPA. And then him getting released, it was a very weird incident. AJ, have you ever heard something described as such? What do you think? No, I would like to know what weird even means. It's all relative, too. We need some context. Did this happen between one teammate, Shepty? Is that what put it over the top to let him go?

41:04Or is this like a series of events?

41:06Pat McAfee:Did he go into Mark Davis' office with a gun and say, where's my$35.2 million? That would be very weird. Could have, yeah. That would be very weird. I don't think anybody's ever done that before. What have you heard about this? And how injured is he? When's he back? What happens here with Christian Wilkins? Again, from speaking to people inside the locker room, I think what everybody's dancing around and tiptoeing around is the fact that when you speak to people there inside the locker room, they say that Christian playfully went to kiss a teammate on top of his head. And those same people said that that player took offense to it.

41:48So that's what everybody's been dancing around and tap dancing around an incident in the locker room where he allegedly playfully kissed a teammate on top of his head. That teammate felt offended by it. And that's what a lot of this talk and speculation that people have just been floating around out there is about.

42:10Pat McAfee:Okay, so he kissed a teammate on a forehead in a playful manner. Teammate said, nope, not doing that. and went to H &R and reported this entire thing basically is what happened? I think that's probably a fair and accurate way of saying things, yeah. So, that tells me a lot of things, quickly. That tells me a lot of things. So, if that happens in the locker room and then they go and report it, that means the locker room probably didn't fuck with them. Right? Feels like? Yeah. That's what it feels like?

42:38Adam Schefter:That individual, for sure. I mean, you see some different things in the locker room. There are different people. So this would classify as weird. Yeah, I would think kissing him. He made bald. Because if he's bald, it's not weird.

42:50Pat McAfee:What if he won a Euchre game with the guy? You never know. Maybe they're playing Boo Ray. And the guy here doubled the party. He goes, thank you. And kissed him on the floor. I haven't seen any smooching in luck. I've never seen it either. But I'm just saying, hey, the pockets. This guy just lost all this. This guy lost 40 grand to me. Thank you. He goes, let me give you a. All I'm saying is it's good luck to kiss the top of a bald head. We've seen it in the movies, stuff like that. If this guy's a full head of hair, then it's different. Isn't Gruden's boy out there? Mm-hmm. His strength coach?

43:21I believe he is. Deuce, yeah. He didn't try to kiss Deuce's head, did he? It wasn't Deuce's head. If he's a$100 million player, I'm assuming it was like Max Crosby. He's not kissing some practice squad player. You never know. And then getting in that much trouble for it. I'm assuming he's kissing some player. Maybe he put his finger on his lips and did the whole barber thing. Maybe there's a chance. And I'm not saying this happened. I'm saying there's a chance that he grabbed a dong. I don't think we can completely rule that out based on what we've seen on the field. That's not right. He's the guy that we've always said, great to have on your team.

44:00Pat McAfee:Would hate to play against him. The past. Because everything, and he's kind of owned that, I think. That's kind of been his MO. He has done things in the past that two players in 8K and 4K that make you go, geez, how did we do that? This guy wants to wait. What is that? And then now a kiss on the forehead. I guess the locker room was like, hey, we still seen the clips of you. That's an interesting dynamic. That is very weird. That is very weird. Hopefully they get it all figured out. Hopefully Christian Wilkins finds a new team. I think Colts would be okay. Hammond Buckner in the middle. He's a really good player.

44:38He's a great football player. He's so good.

44:41Pat McAfee:I was wondering if he'd kiss him by your forehead. Well, they wear the most guarding cap. Top of the head. So probably not. Yeah. Well, kiss the top of the helmet. Yeah. Yeah.

44:49Adam Schefter:What about his injury?

44:51Pat McAfee:Yeah. Is he healthy? Will he be able to play? Or what do we... That's another real question here. Because, again, he was supposed to have surgery a couple of different times out in Vegas. And for whatever reason, that surgery was put off. And I don't know whether or not he's going to have that surgery. I haven't heard yet. But my understanding is the timeline after a surgery that he might need would be anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks. So you're looking at something where if he had gotten it done earlier, his chances of coming back sooner would have been greater. Now I think he would hope to join a team later in the season.

45:34That would be the hope. I don't know that he'll be able to play early in the season. But again, different doctors have different takes. I'm not privy to all of his medical information. But my understanding is he does need another surgery. And that surgery is a 12 to 16-week surgery.

45:52Pat McAfee:Okay, so he would be able to play this year then, regardless. They voided his contract because he kissed the guy on the head? No, no. That's not why they voided his contract. They voided his contract because there was a disagreement over the way he was going about his rehab and his foot injury. Basically, the team had been asking him to have foot surgery over and over. I think there were scheduled surgeries and they didn't get done. And it's his body. He gets to do whatever he wants. Right. So I think they wanted him to get the issue corrected surgically. he kept balking at that it was not getting done i think the team grew increasingly frustrated over time because they wanted him to have the surgery done he didn't want to get it done maybe he felt like he didn't need it you'd have to ask him i don't know the full details there and so when there was a disagreement over that surgery whether or not to have it whether or not to get it done putting it off putting it off again it got to the point where they're like hey you don't get this done.

46:59We're not going to have you early in the year. We need this done. We need this done. And it didn't get done. That's basically...

47:04Pat McAfee:$35 million litigation, and it looks like and sounds like Christian could probably win this one. Don't know if we'll have enough money for the lawyers to fight it, though, because we're on the second floor of Tootsies getting shoulder rubs! Okay? So... By the way, that's an issue right now with everything going on in the league. There are a whole host of things where players could use some help on certain issues like this one and it's like who's what who do you turn to that's great but jefty that is a great question uh we don't want to dive too deep into that because this is a positive show there's a lot of negative we could go that way like yeah might not be able to have the extra four hours a lawyer looking through every single clause because why uh well cinnamon wanted a little extra spin on the pole down there at tootsies at 5 a.m with the executive director They're the NFL PA.

47:56Pat McAfee:So we don't need to get into that. We don't need to get into that. Good luck, Christian. Feels like you might be a professional golfer for$35.2 million if you don't want to get back into playing football. And kissing somebody on a forehead without knowing if they would get mad about it is an interesting thing to say about a teammate in a locker room, personally. If you're just to view out from that and kind of talk from a different level, that's an interesting thing, you know, just to be like, I can kiss this guy on a forehead and then kiss him on a forehead. And then it going the complete opposite way.

48:27That kind of seems on brand for him, though. It's just like, you know what? I'm going to push this boundary. If this guy doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. And then I'll go find someone else.

48:35Pat McAfee:So on that note, as somebody that hasn't been able to read a situation well, I told Shane that Coach Saban was not mad. Yeah, you did. So sometimes you misread. Sometimes you misread some things. I don't want to blame too many people. But, yeah, I definitely misread that situation, clearly. He's good. What are we talking about? It's Coach Saban, dude. Go up there, dude. He was not. Question his entire integrity. You think it's funny? Fucking funny, guys? All right. Who are you going to turn to? NFLPA. Great question. Good luck out there. I'm sure they'll make the right decision. They have continuously for a long time.

49:11Pat McAfee:Who's Cleveland going to turn to? A lot of question marks over there. And also, Coach Prime has a press conference coming out in like 11 minutes with his medical team. We hope everything's okay. That sounds very, very, very serious for an absolute. I want to say this. Thoughts and prayers with Coach Prime. We love Coach Prime. And we'll let him update his medical condition as he should here in the next 10 or so minutes. And everybody will be pulling through. Shefter, it's right there. Do it, Shefter. You can do it, Shefter. Don't do it. Don't do it. Coach Prime, we love you, man. We all love you and appreciate you for what you've done for sports.

49:47Pat McAfee:You're one of one. a true anomaly in this world of, you know, just copycats. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Shefty, obviously Coach Prime Shador is in Cleveland. He is one of the four quarterbacks there, and thanks to ESPN Cleveland, we know all the quarterback stats there coming out every single day. Who is the front runner right now? I'm seeing a lot of Joe Flacco is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. I know Kenny, I think, is dealing with a soft tissue injury. What's the update on the quarterback situation? Yeah, we reported yesterday that Kenny Pickett injured his hamstring and is basically going to reevaluate it later this week.

50:26He heard it at the end of Saturday's practice. He had had a couple of really good practices and looked pretty strong. And so it's not, as it was told to me initially, when we reported on this, a run-of-the-mill hamstring injury. But he's got to see what's going on with that hamstring injury when he gets out on the field and tests it again. Now, whether he tests it today or the end of this week, I think he's going to miss a little bit of time here. And obviously, when you're competing for a starting job, that's not great. So that would seem to indicate that Joe Flacco, if Kenny Pickett's going to miss some time, that would give him an advantage.

51:04And you've got the two rookie quarterbacks. Now, again, the only two mid-round quarterbacks that I've seen come in when they were drafted that late and start out of the gate were Russell Wilson back in 2012 and Dak Prescott. And both guys lit it up in the preseason. And when you watched them, you knew that the team had to start them. Now, we may see Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders go out this summer and light it up in preseason and be like, whoa, that guy can play, and I want to see more of that in the next preseason game. But short of one of those guys lighting it up, we've always thought it would be one of these veterans and now pickets down with a little bit of a hamstring issue.

51:50And so Joe Flacco is the lone veteran quarterback standing. So advantage Flacco right now, but obviously a lot of training camp to go.

52:00Pat McAfee:Flacco also knows Stefanski's offense very well. I mean, he led them literally to a playoff two years ago. Did not work out with the Indianapolis Colts. So we assume that Joe Flacco is going to have the head start over everybody in the Cleveland Browns camp going in. He was also talking like, hey, I'm still a starter. I don't know what we're even talking about here. Am I going to be a mentor? Sure. But I got to know what the hell I got to do for the game as well. Joe Flacco, he's treating this as if it's his team, I think. And I know the conversation around it is, what about the future? What about the future?

52:31Pat McAfee:How long do they have over there? Andrew Barry and Stefanski and everybody. You know, because Baker Mayfield wins him a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. See ya. You know, we're going to redo this entire thing. We had success. We need to rebuild it. They obviously have a lot of stars on their team. They spent a lot of money. The Deshaun Watson contract was a massive swing and a massive miss. we think it came from like over their heads so they got a big leash and a leeway here is that true right so if that's right pat and it came from over their heads and that strapped that program down the last few years and kevin stephanski still won coach of the year twice and they still made a number of good moves and added good players and have two first round draft picks in the 2026 nfl draft if that is the case and they were working with their hands basically tied behind their...

53:21Why are we moving on from a great coach and a great GM? Why are we doing that? I don't view it as them being on a short leash. In fact, they should have more time than they're given because of some of the moves that were made. If you're right about that, and there have been many people that have suggested that you are, then these guys deserve plenty more time, in my mind.

53:45Pat McAfee:We just found out that that's the truth. I've always had a question. I always questioned in my mind, just found out what it was. We always knew. Especially because Andrew Barry. If you are correct. I know Andrew Barry very well. I think I've known him since he was like 22 years old. Obviously, ex-Harvard quarterback, was with the Colts for a long time. When he was like 34, I was hoping that he was going to get the Colts general manager job. I have a lot of faith in his brain, the way he operates. Stefanski, what, super genius, right? If everybody says he's got a super genius. Ivy League guy as well.

54:12Pat McAfee:Yeah, so it's funny to think about how they get the worst contract in history. Oh, it must not have been them. Oh, it must have been. That guy. Oh, yeah, because they were out of the running. Remember, it was Atlanta or New Orleans. And then Cleveland comes back in. Because Hazlum's like, hey, so I guess in things at convenience stores, we want you to come up here to the cold. All right, last question before we let you go. Good luck to Stefanski. Good luck to Andrew Barry. Good luck to the bronze faithful. Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy's a favorite football player. Yeah, he doesn't need luck. Jerry Judy doesn't need luck.

54:42Pat McAfee:He just needs an opportunity to shine. Put him on a big stage. He will do great. We know that. especially with their brand new alpha dog helmets and uh without brownie operates as a whole go ahead connor last question for you shefty yeah shefty uh ben johnson came out talked about caleb williams everything going on with him this training camp that that seems to be a massive negative uh in the nfl right now at least is uh caleb ben's guy for sure should we view this as kind of just like a learning year or is there a chance that ben johnson does this year and then pulls the sean Peyton like hey Russell Wilson get the hell out of the building well I think they brought in Ben Johnson because the goal was to essentially elevate Caleb Williams everything they've done is to elevate Caleb Williams so before we could even go there I still think we're talking about a guy that was the number one pick that was regarded as an elite quarterback prospect and they brought in a guy with an offense who has specialized in elevating the performance of quarterbacks.

55:43That's why they went out and spent all this money on the head coach and went out and got three different new offensive linemen and basically came and produced all these players in the offseason to make sure that Caleb turns into the player he does. If he doesn't, I don't think it's going to be because of Ben Johnson. I think that they are committed to him right now. That's going to be something we all follow. Now, if the guy struggles, falters, hey, look, that's how the NFL works but I think they are giving Caleb every opportunity every resource that he deserves and it's up to him to make the most of it if he doesn't we could continue this

56:21Pat McAfee:conversation all right Shefty hopefully we continue this conversation with you every single day until uh Super Bowl yeah we appreciate your brother football is back that means uh we got magic to talk about we appreciate the hell out of you brother thank you guys have a great day it was a kiss on a forehead. Yeah, okay. I kissed a teammate. He hated it. That's Adam Schaeffer, ladies and gentlemen. Alright. Haslam did do the deal. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he apologized. I think this offseason. Sorry. Yes. This wasn't them. I screwed up. I seen it.

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58:19Pat McAfee:We appreciate you doing all that shit to get up here, man. Appreciate you, brother. You're great up here every week. Love it. Love it. Enjoy it. You basically live here half the year. I do. So. You guys have better state income. I'm away from home. I'll bet. I do. No doubt. We got good. Let's not get crazy. Some pros and cons. Both places. I got bad property tax, I've seen. Yeah, and price. Price of living and all that stuff. So if you're thinking about coming to play for the Colts or for the Pacers or for the fuel or the. The fever. The fever. The freight. Freight. Possible other teams. Ignite.

58:57Pat McAfee:I'm thinking about, AJ, every other day, I'm thinking about bringing a professional sports team here to Indianapolis. Every other day. What sport? Well, I can't give that away. Multiple sports. AJ. There's been multiple sports. Just know these professional leagues that are kind of happening right now, we've been snooping around. All of them. All of them. We have been snooping around all of them. Just because we think it would be hilarious to own a team. We think that would be a very funny thing, let alone if the sport is awesome and combative and physical and potentially sport of the future. Up and coming.

59:33Pat McAfee:Perhaps. You know, perhaps. Maybe. Okay. All right. I need the commissioner's number right now. That's what happens in this room. So we snoop around, find a commissioner of these leagues, phone numbers, FaceTime, cold, immediately. Oh, gosh. Think about these guys. Can I ask you a question? Been some good reports. It's been great conversations. Good conversation. We've been learning a lot. Answers in like fancy boardrooms. They're all wearing suits. And he called, you know, you over there in the think tank. No, completely opposite. All the people that are commissioners. Leagues. This is not just one person.

1:00:04Pat McAfee:This is multiple leagues that this has happened. The people answer it. Normally they're at their house or their office. And it feels like I'm looking at the Jeff Bezos Amazon photo from whenever he was in that room with the thing behind it. Or like the Steve Jobs stuff whenever him and the other Steve are in the garage at the house or whatever. That's what it feels like every time I FaceTime these people. You can see they're in the lab trying to make this league work. I've enjoyed it all, but just know we're snooping around. Always snooping around. It's always hashtag up to something season. There's some big up to somethings about to come to fruition, fruition, though, here.

1:00:39Pat McAfee:And I can't wait to drop these on the world. Go ahead, Tom. I had a question for you. I don't know if you are going to be coach, owner, owner, coach, owner, coach, player. Let's say one of the top five players on your team, top five highest paid players on your team. kisses another guy on the forehead in your locker room. What are you going to do? That feels like a locker room issue. I'm staying out of it. Remember, I am going to be a giving owner.

1:01:01Adam Schefter:I don't think you can stay out of that one.

1:01:05Pat McAfee:I just want to let everybody know. I just want to let everybody know. The style of player that Christian Wilkins is, aside from the ha-ha and the ha-ha and the ha-ha, that's his style of doing things. The style, he's relentless every single play. A little bit of a dog. Other teams hate him. That is the style of player that we are looking for in all the leagues over in. Now, can't be sucking foreheads in the locker room. Well, I remind you something. Especially not wanted foreheads. If these guys want to suck face in there in our team, and they're good at the sport, and they both do what you got to do.

1:01:39Pat McAfee:Not in my locker room. This can't be unrequited. What's that? Not in my locker room. You know, the Christian Wilkins is a dog. How quickly you guys forget Sunshine Kiss, Gary Bertier riding the lips, and they want a state title. Yes, they did. It didn't start great for Sunshine. But it certainly ended great, didn't it? Yes, for all of society. Kind of thinking of it now. With that being said, I don't think my team will have any sucking forehead problems. Just want to let you know. Any of the sports. Christian Wilkins used to play. Just trying to connect the dots here. Used to play in the AFC East for the Dolphins.

1:02:11I believe he was a rookie or in his early years when Tom Brady was quarterback of the New England Patriots. Now, I don't know if there was any beef, but what if this kiss on the forehead was a Brady and his kids type of joke that Christian Wilkins was making? Brady's kisses right on the lips. Also, Brady's kid.

1:02:29Pat McAfee:Have you been watching him? He's a dog. Yeah, big son. Casual. Casual dunk. Very, very casual. He's huge. And he's got Tom Brady's. You know, it's the same thing we think about with Shador. like we assume because Shador has been around prime and prime has literally been preaching or teaching or coaching all of society, especially the sports world via different shows, his Twitter accounts, his social media, and then actually on the field, all of us in the sports world for like the last 20 years, I would assume that something has the osmosis through, you know, his head, we would think. So maybe Tom Brady's kid is the next coming of Tom Brady.

1:03:08Pat McAfee:We shall see. Yeah, Jack, he, I believe there was a clip a few years ago of Tom, Clay Thompson, and Jack getting up jumpers, working on his jumpers. I've seen a lot of clips of Clay Thompson. It feels like he's in love. A lot of love talk. Congrats to him. Congrats, Clay. Guy's a pilot, right, or a boater or something? Yeah, yeah. Ship captain. He's a captain, boat captain. I think Golden State, he had a place on the bay, his house. I think it went up for sale recently. I just saw it. Very cool-looking place. And I think he would boat his ass through the games and shit like that. Pretty dope. Yeah, he's Captain Clay.

1:03:40Adam Schefter:Yeah. It's like Jimmy Graham. He used to fly to play. He survived? He did. Yeah, he smashed the record. Like five days. Then he retired. He retired.

1:03:49Pat McAfee:He retired from football and from rowing. Oh, that's football. Jimmy Graham, stud, tight end, should retire from rowing, we think. Just going to start it. He never retired from rowing. I think he should. He did it. Yeah. And also, he did the Arctic Ocean with a team of people. One of them was sleeping. The others were going through. And they beat a world record. He just did this like two weeks ago or whatever. The videos coming out with that were disgusting. Not as disgusting as a tight end pattern. Oh, Jesus. It's what everybody was saying. Let's go camping, shall we? Let's go to St. Vincent College.

1:04:27Pat McAfee:Aaron Rodgers in the brand new Pittsburgh Steelers. A little seven on seven here. Okay. Showdown. What do we do? Well, Pat Fryman is going to run a little in-out. DK Metcalf is going to get checked on. And Pat Fryman is going to throw his hands out. Did you see that, AJ? I did see that, yeah. What were they saying about him, Connor? I saw a lot of people down there at the Trobe saying, Oh, and Muff, is Muff out there potting again? What's Muff doing? He's just showing up his court. I think that's what they were saying, right? Oh, Aaron Rodgers is going to love that. Of course. You know, hey, Rodgers loves guys who pot on the field when they don't give the ball.

1:05:02Oh, yeah. As if you would know, Tony. They were saying that he wasn't fucking pout. As if you would know, you're a homer. We see the body language. Body language reflects leadership. I'm sorry. You have a moth jersey? No. Maybe I would know. Or maybe I asked him. Connor Fox, you got that for me, pal? I was definitely not pouting. I was pissed at myself. Threw my hands up. I ran the wrong route. And I made the play look like shit. So I was throwing my hands up in frustration to myself. Definitely not a shoulder of my quarterback.

1:05:32Pat McAfee:Okay. Gronk's good. All right, so he wasn't pot. No, no, no. You think that was AI? Gronk's good. Oh, no. Tony, you don't know muff like that. Yes, I do. No, you don't. I know you don't know muff like that. That's AI if I've ever seen it. AJ, let's talk about the situation that just happened. So we saw the highlight, or I guess low light there, of Friar Muth over the weekend. We come in this morning. Something very easy to say to Tone to gas him up quickly is that one of his favorite players and humans, Friar Muth, is in a terrible spot with Aaron Rodgers because he's potting. He's showing him up.

1:06:12Pat McAfee:Sad. All the injuries that go up the late trobe to St. Vincent College are like, does Muth think he's better than a quarterback? This guy, what is he doing? Yumi said it to me eight times this morning. This is day three with this guy. We know Aaron's a little fickle, potentially, and now you're going to show him up in front of everybody, the whole world to see. Literally, that's what we just start. As soon as Tone sits down, just like, so, see, the Steelers are in a bad spot. Everybody hates each other. You see that? And Tone goes, what? We literally FaceTime Firemouth. FaceTime. Cold FaceTime him.

1:06:47Pat McAfee:He answers. Right on the phone, we all go, oh! Oh, he's powder! We start yelling at him. Baby! We all started yelling at him for pounding. He said, I'm not pounding. I fucked up. That is a huge mistake by me or whatever. It's like, will you record saying that? And he did, which is why we can't take anything from these training camps. No. Serious. Especially not. Like legit. Well, they want to paint a narrative, though. They want to paint a narrative. I saw what? Stewart in Cincinnati. Someone films it, and the caption just says, practice shape is much different than like workout shape or whatever.

1:07:23I watched the guy go through like two minutes of the drill, and he looked fine. Like he looked – he was good and explosive when he went up. Yeah, in between reps, hands on his hips, but he wasn't like puking. He wasn't dying. I'm like, why are you trying to say this dude is dying? Like people are trying to make things that aren't there.

1:07:35Pat McAfee:On that note, it's like just like the stats conversation, which is why J.J. Watt's tweet went so damn big. And I would like to hammer home the fact that J.J. is an internet guy. Very good at it. He's doing TV. Obviously, he'll be able to do whatever he wants. He owns two soccer teams now. He's going to be a bazillionaire. His brother's wealthier than he is on the football field. But off the field, what J.J. has done, not only remarkable for the cities in which he comes from, but also business-wise, very, very good. He's always been an internet guy. He very much is an internet guy. Loves to get in the conversation.

1:08:09Pat McAfee:Does not mind saying his opinion. Isn't scared of shit. And whenever he breaks down the stats conversation, he does it in a very accurate way for how the internet has been. At the beginning, these stats start coming out. I think it all started with Richard Sherman getting cooked in San Francisco. Richard Sherman was trying a new jam or something. And Shanahan showed it to the team and said, hey, I respect him doing this. A lot of you guys don't have balls to do this because you know the media and the fans are there watching camp practice. Yeah, so he got killed. He's like, hey, he's working on something new.

1:08:39Pat McAfee:Like, hey, this is what practice is. This is what training camp is. That's why we call it practice, right? That's why it's called practice. But now it's gotten to the point where there's so much sports coverage. I mean, you can even count us in this entire thing. We're considered, obviously, sports media and sports coverage. We're not the only ones. There's a lot of bloggers, a lot of people that just go to the practice that have their own platforms, record videos. Never been through a training camp. That's not holding that against them, but don't maybe know what the fuck's going on. And then all that needs is just a little bit of gas behind it or somebody that doesn't like the person to kind of promote it, and boom, all of a sudden.

1:09:11Pat McAfee:That's why him saying, like, hey, at the beginning, these stats were fun to talk about, but now it feels like you guys are taking them a little bit too serious. training camp is not real reps here now there's certain periods where it's like hey good on good this shit matters then there's other parts of practice where they're trying things friar muth just they paid him a lot of money he's gonna be one of the top tight ends in the league this year we think we think friar muth is gonna be one of very smart obviously very intelligent player very good football player he is a veteran now he's fucking up in seven on seven there's a chance other people also making mistakes so whenever you see a quarterback potentially throw an interception Maybe the wide receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be.

1:09:48Pat McAfee:Or maybe the quarterback threw a shit ball. Or maybe the quarterback was trying a different throw. You know, like, hey, can I get this over a linebacker in front of a safety if I try this? Nope, can't. It was a pick, went back the other way. Okay, we move forward. It's hard not to overreact to everything. But I appreciate JJ going like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. We got to pump the brakes a little bit on how much these stats actually matter because we have no idea the context of any of these periods.

1:10:12Adam Schefter:They don't matter, but at the same time, they do to us because we're so hungry for anything. Anything. Anything. Football right now. So you see it and you're investing, you're bought into a team like you want to see. Like Cleveland, they put out the quarterback stats every day. I'm sure it's going on here in Indy too with the quarterback competition. But yeah, you're right. Like there are so many things that go into what players and what coaches or what teams are trying to do or trying to get done. And a guy like Richard Sherman, who knows he's going to be on the roster. Yeah, you're going to be working on things.

1:10:41Adam Schefter:A rookie that's just trying to make a team. Every rep is like live or die. But it's different. Everybody's kind of in a different situation. Even like the real game film. Like when you go back, and I go back on Sundays sometimes or Mondays, you know, putting everything in DB together. And I played in those games, been in those meet rooms, but I don't know the conversations that was had on the sideline. Hey, if they run this scissors route, we're going to pass it off. We're going to stay with it. I don't know, but I can take my best guess. So we really don't know the PFF grades. We don't know. We don't know.

1:11:09Adam Schefter:But at the same time, all this media, the NFL is king for a reason because so many people care about it. So many people care about everything. But the narratives are dangerous, though, because you can create this narrative now. Let's say it's Muth here. Two weeks into the season, he's not getting his targets or it's an interaction with him here on the sideline. It's like, hey, remember, you know, training camp week two. So it's give and take. Journalism. That's where we are right now. July 28th, you know, every rep, every practice rep, every practice stat kind of matters.

1:11:36Pat McAfee:Him answering that FaceTime and us all. Oh, Potter. Pat Friar Muth. Oh, look who it is. It was electrifying. Because he sees now the internet say that he's pouting, trying to show up Aaron. He's like, oh, no. Not only that, I ran a wrong route. I mean, this is wrong route, messed everything up. Oh, now everybody thinks I'm embarrassing the quarterback, and I'm not a powder. It was like catastrophic to the Fryer Muth brand. Oh, yeah. Basically, this one play, and everybody's watching it because, oh, Aaron's teammates don't like him already. He's like, I ran a wrong route. Okay, I saw something differently than everybody else.

1:12:16Pat McAfee:Can we just move on? And that's how king, to your point, the NFL is. It's a beautiful thing, but it's also a fishbowl, and you are in it at all times. And all we can do from outside is just try to read the lips of what's going on inside of it. I mean, everything that they're doing with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams right now, you know, like putting out how many picks he's thrown. He's learning a new offense, obviously, but even people like cherry picking and putting Ben Johnson's face, you know, for a screenshot from his opening press conference to like yesterday after Caleb's been struggling a little bit.

1:12:45It's like, oh, no, this guy realizes he's made a massive mistake, like almost pushing for like, hey, week four. These guys are going to have a huge, you know, they're going to get in each other's faces on the sideline. They already hate each other's guts. Like it's hilarious. And it's almost like Bears fans, you know, I mean, granted, a lot of that is Packers fans seeing that and kind of just being like, oh, yeah. Look at this. Look at this. But I'm also saying. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but then you also see Bears fans like, oh, no. Like this is true. This is what's going on. Because Bears fans deep down.

1:13:16Pat McAfee:They know. They have that feeling. Everything's bad. It's always there. It's always there. Exactly. Right there. So all they need is just a little bit. And then the backup starts throwing touchdowns. It's like, wait, wait, wait, why is he getting on the record? We got the guy. It happened with Jets fans on Friday or whatever. Justin Fields gets carted off. They're like, oh, it's ACL. He's done forever. It's just his toe. I saw some people saying it was maybe an Achilles, you know, because they're talking about it. It turns out it was a toe issue, maybe a fracture, a dislocated toe. I think he's already back out.

1:13:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, he was. But they didn't even have the chance to say new regime, new era, new time, new chapter. Jets fans are just – I got – I mean, Cole sent me five texter. I found out about it through a five. Fuck, fuck, motherfucker, of course, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. That's how I found out about this. In real time, I think as he was getting carted off, I was receiving texts. Oh, they just turned the golf cart wheel left. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It was unbelievable. He couldn't talk about it on TV. Yeah, the J.J. McCarthy stuff, too. Have you seen this as well? No. I've seen J.J.

1:14:19get buried with a clip from last year's training camp. And that is also now. Throwing his fifth pick today. That was last year's. Bingo. Yeah, and it's like, geez, if I didn't know. They're in full pads July 21st. Yeah, it's like always a clip of them in full pads when no one's even barely started.

1:14:34Pat McAfee:I mean, get up or first they posted something and they had to say sorry. I mean, it's hard time right now. It is. It's hard times, brother. I don't think, you know, the internet is a very creative and talented place. I mean, I saw somebody pull a clip from our show from 2023. Oh, geez. It had the date on the video. Look at this shit. Fucking send it right out there. It's right on the corner. This is from two years ago. You got anything to say about it? I've said a lot. I've said it's been two years since that whole thing has gone off. It's a wild time on the internet. And joining us now is a man who knows all the answers.

1:15:10Pat McAfee:He would never be fooled. He's unfoolable. Because this man is no fool. No, no, no. This man's an Emmy Award winner. Amen. This guy's been hosting Get Up. You've been seeing him? Oh, yeah. Crushing. Riddle me this. He's been making lists. He's been making lists. Some good lists. Clean suits. I mean, we're talking. Everybody's in summer. I mean, we're pretty casual all the time. Everybody in summer casual. Not this guy. Get a chance to host a show. Yeah. You got to put this up. Real comfortable on the desk, too. Seen a couple of these. Ladies and gentlemen. insider, analyst, pundit from ESPN, friend of the program, Pierce Fringer.

1:15:47Let's go.

1:15:48Pat McAfee:Hey, good hosting out of you, bub. I didn't know you were a host. Nor did NFL Network. Let's go. I'm here. Let's go. Same world now, I think, from what I've been doing. It's all under the same umbrella, I believe, at this point. I'm here to, I think it was Chalamet, when he won, he was like, I want to be Michael Jordan. I want to be the best. I'm here. Like, let's go. I'm not taking anyone's job anytime soon, but I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And credit to the producers and the executives and to Greeny and Stephen A. and Molly for letting me do it. But I had a blast hosting Get Up and First Take.

1:16:22It was really fun. And to your point, football is here. Let's go. Let's not mess around.

1:16:28Pat McAfee:Shout out to Fosso. I assume he was a massive piece of that entire thing. What a legend. Absolutely. He's on a little bit of a world tour right now. Can't wait to see him on Wednesday. He's going to be pumped. Fosso! 50 and 50, baby. I think it's been going great. I think it's been going great. Okay, Shrags, let's talk a little bit about football, shall we? Christian Wilkins deal. So Schefter clarified some things. He said that it was a kiss on the forehead. Players said, uh-uh, we ain't doing that. Goes and says, get him out of here. Now, they wanted him to have surgery. He didn't want to have surgery.

1:17:00Pat McAfee:I think Michael Thomas in the Saints had this situation a couple years back where they thought he should have surgery. He said, I don't want to have surgery. Then season came. He had to get surgery, missed time. There was a whole thing. I think this has happened in the past about how you deal with an injury, what a player wants, what the team wants. What are your thoughts on that whole situation? I mean, obviously, in two, three weeks from now, Christian Wilkins will sign with another team. We assume he has a three to four – what did he say? Four to six weeks? Twelve to 16 weeks. Four to 16 weeks.

1:17:28Pat McAfee:So three to four-month recovery if he does have the surgery. We think he'll probably be on another team. What are your thoughts on that whole situation over there, Shregs? Well, Schefter's on it in that this is a, I guess, what would he say, a quixotic individual. And some of his stuff that he did in Miami was embraced and they loved it. But, you know, he talked to the Bills players. They absolutely hated him. The stuff he would do after the whistle, he would agitate. He was like a, you know, a Bill Ambeer type if you're on the Pistons. But if you were on another team, you couldn't stand this guy.

1:17:56Well, he gets to the Raiders last year and the hope was you got him on the inside. You got Crosby. you got the seventh overall pick Tyree Jacks from a couple years ago on one thing like we're going to be a front seven team gets hurt misses most of the year and then a whole new brass comes in and some of the stuff that he was doing maybe wasn't embraced as much from the teammates here in Vegas as it was in Miami and then of course when you've got a new GM in John Spitek who comes in from Tampa and a new head coach in Pete Carroll like we're telling you to get surgery you're not getting surgery we're going to move on now to your point he's got a legitimate case with the PA hey, this is my body.

1:18:32I don't have to get surgery because the team tells me. He's going to have a voice in this. But with the PA being in the current state that they're in, that might be on hold as well. So he's no longer a Raider. I'm not sure if he's going to get that money. I would imagine he's got a good, strong chance to appeal that and we'll probably see some of that money based on the way this went down. But I think it's more of the latter stuff that Adam was referring to than the kisses on the forehead.

1:18:54Pat McAfee:Okay, got it. Pete Carroll talked his shit a little bit last week. He's like, hey, I win, man. I don't know what to tell you. Just look it up. And Geno does too at this stage. I believe in the Raiders. And Max Crosby, I'm always going to believe that Max is going to be able to get the job done. Maybe this chapter, this era of the Raiders, takes him back to the Raiders. We shall see. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, what about the Dolphins? Christian Wilkins' old team made me think about it. I'm watching some clips online, obviously, of their training camp. They got a little bit of a scuffle, I saw. So it's good to see some life out of the boys.

1:19:27What are your expectations of the Dolphins? We see this here on the screen. Obviously, them getting a little bit of, you know, this is nothing serious. But what do you think about this team? I feel like this could be a make-or-break year for multiple players and coaches on that staff. Oh, I think that's how everyone sees this outside of that building. And what's interesting is Tyreek Hill in Week 18 had some crazy comments about how he doesn't want to be there anymore and he wants to be traded. And everyone was like, whoa. Well, then you have a whole offseason. and he kind of talks it back, talks it back.

1:19:57In Tua's first press conference, he's like, there's still wounds that are open here. Like, we're still trying to figure that out and him saying that. And to me, you start off the training camp, 99 % of these courts will be like, oh, we're good. We talked about it. That was last year. We're starting to, Tua was either very candid, very vulnerable, or maybe saying something that I would personally, if I'm a coach or a GM, like, let's not start off on that foot and say that we're still not 100 % where we want to be. So an interesting way to start it, but Tua has been very vocal in press conferences the last couple of years.

1:20:30And there's been some real transitions. I think Taron Armstead being a starting left tackle and announcing, you know, he's no longer there as, you know, as recently as less than a month ago is a major, major deal. You're asking a team that is built on speed and is built on, you know, getting a cushion in September and October before we get to those cold weather games that they get those wins. You're asking that team to pick it up right away with a lot of new people. But on the defensive side of the ball, Chubb, Phillips, two huge names that have not been available at the same time on the field.

1:21:02I think those are going to be enormous players in this thing. But I think you ask around the league, the Dolphins are the one team that people are like, you know what? I got my hands. I don't know. Is Tua great? I don't know. Is Tyreek Hill going to come back to what he used to be? I don't know. And is Mike McDaniel still going to be able to motivate these guys? Or is that ship sailed? I don't know. So one of the great variable teams as we enter this season, AJ. And two years ago, they put up 70 points against the Broncos, and we were like, they're reinventing the offense.

1:21:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, and the Steelers said, we'll take both your pro bowlers. So that is an interesting dynamic for the Dolphins fans in the room. One of the Dolphins fans obviously played professionally, so he was able to pick up a couple other teams to become a fan of. And then Post, his playing career, just picked up another team to be a fan of as well.

1:21:52Adam Schefter:They just won a Super Bowl, which is a good play. Yeah, why not? Good play. And then he picked up. Hey, not going to let your shitty franchise control my emotions throughout the whole fall.

1:22:00Pat McAfee:Especially if other teams have paid you to be a fan of them in the past. If you pick up a couple teams, you might as well pick up a few others, especially if they're going to win. Let's talk to a guy who's diehard with the Dolphins since he was a child. Schrager said, around the league, their hands up. We have no idea what this team. Got to Colts first week, brother. Is this thing over before week two even gets started? for you guys? I like getting Minka back. I can't express how much I love that. Jack Jones, Mike Hilton, huge signings. I wasn't in, but I said on Friday, you give me two veteran cornerbacks, I'm back in.

1:22:29Before noon on Saturday. Look at us. Here we go, Finns.

1:22:33Pat McAfee:Week one, though, problematic. I don't know. That turf, that corn husk, they can run fast on that corn husk now. Yeah, he's going to be down there at Loud House, Lucas Oil Stadium, taking on the Indianapolis Colts, which we know nothing about either. We hope they're great. Believe ours. We are believe ours. Amen. We are believe We saw a guy who looked incredibly handsome out at the Espes. Ty, has a question for you. Yeah, Shrakes, one of the big things a lot of people are talking about right now is Stafford and his health. Obviously, given your relationship with McVay, I'm sure you heard the comments, but for everyone who hasn't heard those comments, this is what McVay had to say about Stafford.

1:23:06Okay. A little update on Matthew. He's doing really well. We've got a good plan in place. We are going to still take some more time with him, though. Nothing that's changed in terms of the setback. I probably spoke a little bit too soon, but the ultimate goal is Houston and being mindful of that. So we'll take it a week at a time with him. So I did want to be able to let you guys know about that based on sitting down with Reggie and with Matthew and talking with Dr. Watkins. I feel like that's the smart thing to do a week at a time with him. So, Schrags, I know you aren't flying coach with McVay anymore per se.

1:23:42Great show. Yeah, great show. Unbelievable. Would love to see that come back. Rest in peace. What is the level of concern here with Stafford? Obviously, everyone knows how tough he is, but he is getting up there. If you're McVay or if you're a Rams fan, what do you think the level of concern with Stafford's health is going forward? I have to be careful here because I'm not there every day, but I don't think there is a great level of concern as far as Matthew being ready for week one, ready to go. They don't play preseason anyway, these starters on the Rams. That's always been McVay's mantra, And I think they're just being ultra, ultra cautious.

1:24:18Anything you have a back tightness or a back soreness. But the feeling I get speaking to people in that building, and it's not just Sean, it's others, is that Matthew's going to be ready for week one. And all of their doctors and medical personnel are confident that he will be ready. And I'll tell you, this is a team that is built to win now, is a team that is thinking they can win now. They can take the whole thing. And their backup quarterback is Jimmy Garoppolo. So God forbid, you know, and I'm knocking on wood here. Jimmy Garoppolo can run an offense if they needed a week here, week there.

1:24:49But there is no intention for Jimmy to be the starter to start the set.

1:24:52Pat McAfee:D-Bot, sorry, Shreys. You're an Emmy Award winner, a great host. Everything you do. Are we going to have a Jimmy talk? Well, people should not be laughing during your statements. Would you like to?

1:25:03Adam Schefter:No, when he said Jimmy, I just flashed back to Jimmy Devont. And there are teammates in a different place now, but I just, you know.

1:25:11Pat McAfee:Yeah, there was a lot in that wide receiver show. about how it was going over there. And now Jimmy's playing. But that's with McVay. Strags is too close to McVay. He's holding the cards too tight. He knows that boy Stetson is going to raise him. Stetson Bennett, huh? You know. He's back. He's not still there. I mean, you know, he's there and he's gone. He lives. Stetson Bennett lives his own damn life. He doesn't. And we respect the shit out of him. But Matthew Stafford back by season is what everybody's saying. And we saw him in the ESP. He didn't feel like it was a. No. Zero panic. I understand in, you know, you look at a headline, you're like, oh, wow, but like zero panic there.

1:25:46And it doesn't move the needle as much as say he'll be fine, but he'll be fine. Okay. Puka, I saw him at the ESPYs as well.

1:25:53Pat McAfee:Good vibes. He's a rock. Heart is rock. That is unbelievable. He had a suit on that was tailored, obviously. And he looks like he's Batman with a cape on. Yeah. Like the way he is. He's a monster. Dap up. I give him the Bill Pullian slap. You know, Bill Pulley used to do this to people first day back. Hey, how you doing? Coming for a hug. Great to see you. God, it's great to see you. And it's full pat down just to feel how you're doing. Okay? And I didn't realize that until I came back really fat one time, and he was hitting all of them. Bang. In the back. And the other one, I'm like, oh, this guy's patting me down right now just to see if I'm in shape or not.

1:26:31Pat McAfee:It's actually not a bad play. Not a bad play. So with Puka, we do the hand slap. Then I go in for the hug. As I do the hug, I realize, holy shit, this guy is gigantic. And then I hit him in his back, and it was literally like, I'm like, Jesus Christ, Puka is absolutely stacked. That team almost had Philly. Yeah, almost. Now, granted, almost, almost, almost, almost, almost, almost, almost. Aaron Donald retires. Who knows what this team is going to be? Have to start over, basically, with Matthew Stafford. Now, they move on from Cooper Cup and everything like that, and that's going to be a storyline.

1:27:06Pat McAfee:Haven't heard anything about him back at Seattle. No. But maybe we will continue to hear as camp rolls on. But it was like, I don't think anybody was expecting the Rams to be what they were last year. No. Watching them do what they did, though, fun team to watch. And McVay's offense, especially if Stafford's spinning it, always going to be efficient. Yeah, one of the games of the year was Bill's Rams. You remember that game? Oh, yeah. It was all points. I don't know. I don't think there were any punts. And then a guy that we all really loved coming out was Blake Corum. They didn't even use Blake Corham last year.

1:27:38Running back, dog. Yeah, they're sneaky. They won that game on that Sunday. Then the very following week, I believe, was Sunday night, and the Eagles just absolutely trashed them at home. And it was like, all right, how do we rebound from this? And then they had a Lions game. And you look at what happens in the playoffs, and that is what is lingering with them. And McVay tasted it. He thought, get one more possession, like one more play. Like this could happen. They were so close, and they think they got significantly better this offseason. They love the tight end out of Oregon. They love what they got out of Devontae Adams.

1:28:15So far, he's been unbelievable. I hate to do this because it's so soon in training camp. We'd like to see training camp play out. But two big storylines for me are the Rams and whether they can get even better. And then the 49ers, if they can resurrect after what was a completely, completely forgettable season last year, which they would like to put way back. And they, instead of saying, let's tear it down and try it again, they brought back Kittle. They brought youth check back. They went and they signed Purdy. Like these were the two teams of the NFC West for the last decade. And both of them think they're back and better than they've been.

1:28:50I'm fascinated to see how it plays out with those two teams who, one of them surprised some folks. The other one's really disappointed.

1:28:57Pat McAfee:No chatter about the Niners at all. No. None. I don't think there's been any chatter at all. I don't think I've seen one Brock Purdy pass on the internet. He's had a baby. Congratulations, Brock. Real dad. I haven't seen any. I'm going to – Niner stuff? Yeah. I haven't seen a single thing. It's probably good, though, given what we've seen the last couple years. As long as we don't hear Christian McCaffrey's name and Achilles next to each other. Yeah, but we were too early. I mean, that was – Four days before the season. September 1st. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was crazy. I'm excited to watch these teams be back as well.

1:29:29Pat McAfee:and congrats to the West Coast doing its thing. There's a team going all in, though, in the Steel City. We'll be there on Wednesday live from St.

1:29:38Adam Schefter:Vincent College. Come see us. Go ahead, D. Budge. Yes, we will be boots on the ground in Latrobe. Cannot wait. I actually saw some comments from your old co-host, Kyle Brant, when he sat down with Aaron Rodgers. Had a great, great answer on the Terry Bradshaw thing and also spending time with his teammates. What are you hearing early on with Aaron and his new squad and how things are going? That it's going awesome. And that this is what they envisioned. And they were okay waiting months and months and months while the rest of us were getting impatient. They were not. And Mike Tomlin never pressured him.

1:30:11Mike Tomlin never told him we need an answer by here, now, or when. And when Rodgers was ready, he showed up. And he has been what they had hoped, a veteran presence who is lifting everyone and galvanizing everyone. I've taken a lot of heat already this summer. I've been at ESPN for about three months, and I've been leading this bandwagon of just watch out for the Steelers. They didn't do all these moves to finish 10-7 and miss the divisional round again. They believe they're a Super Bowl contender, and Omar Khan said it on the record earlier last week. And you look at the moves they're making, and when you've got Rodgers, for what they're looking at at 42 years old, coming off two years off in Achilles, and then DK paying him what they're paying him.

1:30:51and then the Ramsey move, which I know you like Minka Fitzpatrick, but if you're going to pay a corner, you know, that money, you're paying a corner that money. You're not paying a safety that money. It was almost like they saw this vision of Jalen Ramsey bringing it the same way they see Rodgers bringing it, saying, hey, my career is not done. This door is not closed. I'm high on Pittsburgh. I'm curious to see what you guys think when you get there in Latrobe, but everyone I've spoken to in the organization is like, this is not a half measure, and as much as you on TV want to talk about the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Bills.

1:31:24We want to be in that conversation, too, and we belong in that conversation.

1:31:27Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's tough. The AFC North, obviously. That's going to be a tough kitchen to get out of. It is always hot. Aaron Rodgers is spinning it. Every video I see. I assume Arthur Smith is jacked up. They released Cordero Patterson earlier today. I know Arthur Smith probably had to hate that. Obviously, the game hates that as a whole. Such a unique talent, Cordero Patterson. I remember when he was just a kickoff returner, absolute beast. Then he goes wide receiver. Then he goes running back. Then he goes tight end. And I think they played him on defense a little bit, special teams. I mean, he was an absolute monster.

1:31:57Pat McAfee:I'm excited to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers live in person. We'll have Omar Khan with us on Wednesday in the 1 o 'clock hour. And here is what training camp looks like outside of Latrobe. This is like a pilgrimage that every person in western Pennsylvania feels obligated to take at least once in their life as a child or at least once as a family. This is for training camp. And, you know, a lot of people talk shit about training camp practices and the intensity of it and everything like that. A lot of these people would never be able to get the opportunity to get Pittsburgh Steelers tickets because season ticket wait lists, I think, for the Pittsburgh Steelers is like 30, 40 years or something like that.

1:32:35Pat McAfee:The ticket prices are insane, especially this year with how all the games are going to be. So you've got a lot of people in Western Pennsylvania are like, let's go see these Steelers build the team that they're going to build. Plus you get some interactions. Plus you get a chance to see it all. It's a cool thing up there in St. Vincent. Growing up, I used to head up with family. We'd go to Albany. We'd see Ike Hilliard and the Giants. That was a real thing. In August, when you get a chance to get out there and you're going with family and friends, and whether it was the Jets in Cortland or at Hofstra or the Giants up in Albany, it was a real cool experience as a kid.

1:33:10And I think some of these teams, the Steelers for sure, the Bills still do it. The Chiefs still do it. But when you get out of the facility and you go to these college campuses, there is something special. I'm happy that Hard Knocks is covering the bills this year because I truly think it's a really sensational thing that they do when they get into these campus in these small college environments. It's almost like real camp. And you come out of this thing galvanized, ready to go, of course. But for the fans who don't get the chance to go to a game on Sundays and who usually are relegated to dealing with it on their couch, it's awesome to see these players up close and up front.

1:33:44And I think Latrobe does a fantastic job with it.

1:33:46Pat McAfee:Getting away, eliminating all distractions, I think is great. And, you know, we talked about Purdy just having a baby or whatever. I know a lot of guys that had a couple kids that didn't mind having to go to training camp. How long were we here for? 17 days. All right. Off days, too? Yeah, 19 in total. Oh, I think, yeah, okay, we're going to use those. Can I make one more note, though, on the point you guys were making beforehand about the popularity of, like, stats and what JJ was saying? Again, I was playing with NFL Network, but we used to get research from Brian Rolap, who is the head guy now at the PGA.

1:34:18Congrats to him. And Rolap, and I would say, gosh, we're doing good morning football three hours on August 2nd. We're doing full shows. We're traveling everywhere. Do we want to save some of our efforts to the regular season or maybe spend some of that money and do it around the playoffs? The NFL Network's highest rated month year after year after year was August. Not February. not January, not December, and August because of the optimism, because of the excitement, because of the inside training camp footage you'd get, and because of fantasy football. So all those things, it all adds up to why we're so excited to what Darius was saying.

1:34:57We're getting a stat, and you know we should resist it, but when you see a sick catch or you see a sick player or an Odell Beckham-style crowd, it's hard not to get excited because we're so starved for it. August is a time where all 32 teams and their fan bases think that this might be the year. There's a chance this might be the year. Hey, literally

1:35:15Pat McAfee:every team thinks that at this point because there's been showcases in the past of teams, maybe brand new coach, brand new players, same players, new vibes, new year. You go from the absolute outhouse to a penthouse. Maybe the Panthers. You never know. Maybe the Panthers are the team that aren't fully shite this year. TMAC making an insane catch. I don't know if you saw this in one-on-ones down the right side. Remember this dude was like one of the top high school volleyball players coming out of high school. I think that helps with his ball tracking. What he did in Arizona was absurd. And, yes, this was glue.

1:35:48Pat McAfee:This was glue coverage. And T-Max catch radius is absurd. And his ability to make contested catches is what everybody had been talking about with him. Yeah, perfect throw.

1:35:57Adam Schefter:We talk about the red line all the time in practice. And you throw that clip back up, you want quarterbacks, want that receiver to stay on that red line so they can throw him outside and make him up. Because, like AJ said, great coverage. But once you throw outside and you've got a big frame guy like that, DB really has no chance outside of taking him to the ground and trying to punch it out that way.

1:36:15Pat McAfee:What if the Panthers aren't shy? That could be cool, be good for the entire city down there, but definitely Tepper, who has certainly put himself into a lot of jackpots. On that note, Tone has a question for you. Yes, I do. You talked about the Rams and the Niners being the biggest storylines that you're looking forward to. Have you heard anything or talked to anybody yet that's kind of surprised you or interested you about a player or team early on in training camp? Yeah, I mean, there's two players, and one of them is close to me. One of them is close to someone in that room right there that we could talk about.

1:36:50One is Malik Neighbors is absolutely tearing up Giants camp, and Russell Wilson's been the one who's been throwing him the rock for a lot of these. Apparently, Neighbors looks like he's way better than even last year, dialed in, and every single day has just been unguardable. So the other quarterback and the other player that I think someone in that room is going to be happy to hear, I hear Drake May is just absolutely wonderful so far also. Again, it's early. These might not be surprises, but when you get year two leaps, it means they spent the offseason working. And this is the Pop Douglas here.

1:37:21I'm telling you, the juice out of Patriots camp right now about Drake May is very real. And they'll bring it down because it's back to that old school style. It's Vrabel. It's McDaniels. It's a lot of those guys. and they're not going to pump up their quarterback. But Drake May came ready to play. Drake May came ready to work. And I would just say don't be shocked if we see a year two giant leap from Drake May.

1:37:43Pat McAfee:Favorite in what, 11 games? 11 games, yeah. I mean, the sportsbooks think that they're going to be good too. And Vrabel just wins. Yeah. That's why whenever he was released or fired from the Titans, we were all surprised. Him going back to New England. Storybook shit up there. It really is. Actually, genuinely, as he goes into the ring of honor. and he's one of the most beloved Patriots of all time. When you talk about the history of the Patriots and where they were and what has happened these last five years, when you think about what they were, Mike Vrabel is one of the first five guys that pops into your head.

1:38:15Pat McAfee:Look at those calves, AJ. That guy's still working. It's a sneaky hymn ball. What was that?

1:38:21Adam Schefter:Defensive player with the most touchdowns, I believe. Receiving touchdowns.

1:38:25Pat McAfee:Because the Fridge, I think, had a few there. Oh, yeah, yeah. So this was most receiving touchdowns. Ma's got it right. That'll probably get broken this year, though, because allegedly Bobby Spillane's, he's not coming off the field. Well, Travis Hunter would be the person. Yeah, yeah, so it's going to be Travis Hunter and Bob Spillane. Bo Melton. Yeah, maybe Bo Melton. Let's talk about Travis Hunter. How many practice reps did he have there? 70-something? 70-something, yeah. Yeah, there we go. 83 snaps, 36 on offense, 47 on defense. And then there's the highlight of him just smoothly breaking, just so naturally explosive and his spatial awareness insane.

1:39:01Pat McAfee:Was able to get around the potential screen there to break it up and then obviously celebrates. Looks very easy, effortless with everything he does. Liam Cohen, obviously he's been brought in there to make this offense go and Trevor Lawrence do his thing. Stoner, after drafting Travis Hunter and trading up at two to get him, cut a promo that was like this is what football is football is testing the boundaries football is not getting boxed in football is about changing the game forever football is about travis hunter like he gave this entire speech basically about hey we are here we are real and the reason is because of this guy now you got people on the defensive side of the ball that are nfl legends that are like hey this guy is a corner no questions asked then you got other people like Can we put a package in for him on offense full time?

1:39:50Pat McAfee:I think there's people that certainly believe that. Travis Hunter, obviously, is a name that is going to be synonymous with electricity forever. How does Jacksonville view him at this moment? And I think we all love that he's getting work on both sides here. They're seemingly giving him a real chance at this. Yeah, they're giving him a real chance, and it hasn't been done. We saw Champ Bailey do it a little bit. We saw Charles Woodson do it a little bit. Of course, Deion a little bit. Roy Green, 1981 St. Louis Cardinals, I believe was the last wide receiver defensive back to play really that many significant snaps on both sides.

1:40:21They look at this guy as a number two overall pick that they traded next year's number one to move up to get because they think he's a franchise changer. And for Gladstone, who's 34 years old, and for Liam, who's 39 years old, and for Grant Udinski, the offensive coordinator, who's 28 years old. This is a young group who just got the keys to the castle, and they're like, hell, why not? Why not? Let's try it. Travis Hunter's been awesome. They love what they've gotten out of him. Question is, the 18-week season, how are they going to be able to manage his snaps and not burn him out too soon? But in August, everything is sky's the limit, and they're talking as if this guy was worth everything they gave up to get him.

1:41:00Pat McAfee:I think we've got to be very thankful that his college coach believed in him to play both positions as well. Most places would have said, buddy, you're too good of a lockdown. You're too good of a wide receiver. You can only do one. Coach Prime had a plan for him literally since high school, and it feels like it's going to work out. On that note, there was some breaking news from a press conference this hour. Deion Sanders and a medical team from the University of Colorado came out and revealed information that he had a cancerous tumor on his bladder. They've had surgery, and he said he is now cancer-free, but obviously he released a video yesterday kind of talking a little bit about his situation where he said he had to put a will together he also came out and said that he did not tell his boys about this diagnosis just said it was something with his foot which he has already had surgery on and had blood clots so we would like to let coach prime know that we appreciate the hell out of him leaving his stuff out of his boy's life that is a very admirable and heroic thing to do especially in such an important time of their life while battling his inner demons and also our inner cancer and inner problems and we would like to let him know hey hell yeah prime Way to beat that.

1:42:06Pat McAfee:Thank you, Coach. Way to beat you. Hell yeah, we need him. That was very serious, though. Yeah. That's very serious. And obviously, the bladder, anytime any of your internal organs catch it, cancer is something that can grow and spread. He said if you didn't get it checked, it would have never been this situation. Got it early, fined, obviously had surgery. He's going to be back. Congrats, Coach. We love you, man.

1:42:27Adam Schefter:Important to get those checkups, especially as men. That's what he also said at the end of that message. everybody go get checked so he has the platform and not only does he share his story but he encourages everyone to go get checked which is gosh what a message but i was watching him down

1:42:43Pat McAfee:there in texas all off season and it didn't feel it felt different right then it feel like there was a little bit of different but we didn't really know what was going on like obviously his kids are gone from colorado so is he done with colorado or what's going on here everything was kind of quiet didn't hear a lot of chatter about it all they go through their spring he's kind of away still away uh so to hear this diagnosis and hear that he beat it hell yeah coach prime what a perspective putter you know what a perspective putter for all of us just thinking about coach prime who seems invincible aj and then his foot happens his blood clot happens you talk about greatest athlete mount rushmore of all time having this take place it's a nice learning lesson for all of us aj yeah it is hey i had a hamster growing up named dion dion played for cincinnati reds my baseball team like i've been on dion from when i can remember like being on this earth so yeah like the guy is and especially now you hear like the dude truly is a positive influence on everyone around him it's pretty awesome what he's done well if you look good you feel good you feel good you play good you play good they pay good they pay good you live good you live good you die good that's all we're trying to do out here coach primer happy you're still with us brother and way to beat that ass of the bladder cancer that's scary that'd be a scary diagnosis oh yeah that's a scary thing even like um and i want to say even because it's very serious people get like skin cancer diagnosed anytime you hear the oh yeah the c it's like all right we got a fight here bladder scary happy he is okay all right on that note um happy was a big name around the internet this weekend connor has a question for you peter yeah peter i could kind of tell when you first popped onto the screen you had a little pep in your step you're a little happier i assume it is because you know the sandman did it again uh newest best picture nominee happy gilmore 2 was released this weekend all the boys were in it i mean kelce the golfers willie i mean shoot marshall was in there uh what did you think of happy gilmore 2 did you also think it was a home run just like everybody here at the thunderdome did and uh you know i just also so I'd like to take this time to say thank you to Adam Sandler for continuing to fill our lives with unbelievable movies.

1:44:57Pat McAfee:That's right, Adam. Hey, Sandman, thank you for the content. Love you, Sandman. Thank you. Have not seen it. Oh, Drake, you son of a bitch. Was watching the two-part Billy Joel documentary that has me up and down. I've heard that's great. It's really good. Unbelievable, guys. I mean, I'm talking about, you want to talk about for six hours of your life to just be glued to the television. He's got four ex-wives, actually three ex-wives and a current wife, all on camera talking about him and doing so in a loving way. I'm like, this man has lived a life, 76 years old. Sing us. The same man. Pat, let me tell you about this, about Billy Joel.

1:45:34Before we get to Happy Gum or we won't even get to it because I didn't see it. Billy Joel. He should have seen it. Billy Joel, okay, one of the great songwriters of all time, musicians, whatever. His wife was his manager. They get divorced. His wife is no longer his manager. Who does he hire? He hires his ex-wife's brother to be his manager moving forward. Has about 10 number one hits. He's touring the world. He's married to Christie Brinkley. Life could not go better. He looks at his bank account. He has zero dollars. Why? Because Frank Weber, his ex-wife's brother, who was his manager, stole it all from underneath him.

1:46:11And then he has to come back. so he goes on a 10 year tour of traveling to Indonesia and to Russia just to make the money back and then he comes out with We Didn't Start the Fire, it's the number one hit in the world and he takes it all back and he makes all the money back

1:46:26Pat McAfee:Yeah! Some would say kind of a weird thing to hire your ex-wife's brother-in-law to do something so important and have access to all of your money. He may have been boozed up at the time, he was a pretty legendary booze hound Yeah, just living too I like that he had to build himself twice, a lot of talent there. He's piano man, right? Yeah What a song. Down Eastern election. Came on this weekend. Always hits. Davey. Yep. Still the name. Davey. And it probably will be for life. What a banger. Oh, yeah. Think about him performing that live in Indonesia. La, la, la, la, la, la, la. They're all doing it.

1:47:02Pat McAfee:I saw Yee over in Korea. Carpetbagger. He's going to Russia to win 10 days. He needs the money. He has no money left. He had 20 number one hits, had no money. goes on the road and wins it and makes it all back. So Troy Aikman was posting about it from Instagram. I'm texting Troy. Troy and I both are like just locked in. You've got to watch this. I like you're texting Troy Aikman. Pretty cool there. That's awesome. Especially all the fame week. That is a beautiful thing. Yeah, I don't have to watch a six-hour documentary. I got it. Ex-wife's brother-in-law stole his money. Ex-wife has to speak positive because guess what?

1:47:37Pat McAfee:Yeah. Yeah, she's part of the thing. So, Billy Joel, proud of you, buddy. Love you, Bill. There you go, Bill. Just like we love you, Shrakes. We'll talk to you soon, man. Are you working this week or are you hosting for a few days? I'll be on. I'm not hosting anything. I'm hosting all next week Get Up. So, I can't wait for that. That'll be awesome. Oh, yeah. We're off. Yeah. Ah. I'm telling you, we've used all of our – we're using all of our days. And I don't love – Get it in now. Get it in now. These last four days have been awesome. I was going to say, I don't think you hate it. I really enjoyed it.

1:48:09Pat McAfee:I've really enjoyed hanging with baby girl, you know, because football season is crazy. Not that our job is a real job, okay? Never would say that. But the timing that is, you know, away and on the run, lucky to do it, thankful to do it, get to do it, don't have to do it. But, boy, getting a chance to hang with little baby girl there. Yeah. You only get 18 summers, you know? Yeah, exactly. She's already two. Right. We're kind of going through this type of thing. And think about what it's like on January 25th. Go to there mentally. So I get tweets from people that follow the show, and they say we've changed.

1:48:42Pat McAfee:We have. I'm a dad now. We all have kids. But with that being said, just know that football season, we got an awesome lineup coming. Yeah. Football season, we got an awesome. And these are all these days we're taking off are all the days that we've just basically had forever. I see these tweets that people will be like, oh, only nine Sundays left until football, and I get the Sunday scaries because I appreciate the offseason too, my friend. And you know we work. We grind when the season starts, but appreciate every day with the family in the offseason. I do as well. Yeah, we've been loving it.

1:49:13Pat McAfee:We've been loving it over here. Having full, like having your Saturday and Sunday. Oh. It is nice. It is very nice. It's very nice. Also, what's on TV tonight? Ah, who cares? Yeah, bingo. It does not matter. The best. Billy Joel's six-hour documentary, don't got to see it. Let me tell you what happens, man. Shrager. You're the man. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Peter Shrager. Yes, Graves.

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1:50:55Pat McAfee:Yeah, go see a game. What's going on, MLB? There's some magical stories happening, actually. Congrats to C.C. Sabathia and the boys. First ballot hall of famer. Yeah, it was awesome. Happy for him. It feels like baseball is in the middle of a great time. A lot of positive shit going on with the MLB. Go see a game,$30 off PAT with our friends at SeatGeek, but congrats to baseball. Yeah, without a doubt, CeCe going in was really sweet, especially as a Yankee fan. His speech was awesome, thanking his mom and his daughters and his wife, etc., etc. He's one of the last guys. I know Hembo put out a stat about, I mean, he's one of the last true workhorses.

1:51:28They don't let pitchers really throw the amount of innings like he does, or he did, I should say. 2008, he got traded to the Brewers midway point. It was like a walk year. It was a contract year. He was definitely not going to stay with the Brewers, but he played with them for half a season, started 17 games. He threw seven complete games in those 17 games. These are his last three starts. He basically put the Brewers on his back to get him into the playoffs. Look at the amount of pitches he's throwing there and the amount of innings. That kind of stuff doesn't happen anymore. All on three days rest, too.

1:52:02CeCe was just a goat. He was a goat. The other big story right now, Cal Raleigh has kind of the big dumpers. The big dumpers continue to dump on people, if you will. You look at all of historically what he's doing as a catcher, the record for most homers in a year for a catcher is 48. He could just be terrible for the rest of the season, and he should eclipse that. As of right now, he is on pace to pass Aaron Judge's 62 homers, which would be the AL record. I don't know what year. Who's that?

1:52:37Pat McAfee:It's Johnny Bench, catcher? Yeah, Johnny Bench. Johnny Bench is probably one of AJ's goats. Absolutely. What a's don't count, Jason Kendall? Nobody can touch Johnny Bench. Benito Santiago, he was a very good catcher. Jason fucking Kendall can catch any catcher. that needs to be a talk. He's great as well. If we're talking defensive metrics, pop time, et cetera, et cetera, throwing guys out at second base, Jason Kendall is going to be right. Okay, pop time. Yeah, exactly. Benito invented throwing people out from your knees, so let's slow down on that one. That is true. Benito Santiago also a big snap back behind, you know, throwing it to first base from, yeah, exactly, picking guys off.

1:53:16Cal Raleigh, though, has had, his July has been terrible. He's about 176. He's still hitting the homers, but, like, even with that, He's still on pace to break the AL home run record. And, yes, he did pass Judge in the American League MVP odds. Judge has a flexor strain in his elbow. They thought he might have had, like, a full UCL tear, which would have been Tommy John. He would have been screwed. So he's going to be on the 10-day IL. He said, hey, listen, if I can hit, I still want to be out there. But, obviously, if he's out, the Yankees are fucked.

1:53:49Pat McAfee:Congrats to baseball still being awesome. We appreciate the hell out of them. We will certainly continue to follow along with the season. Congrats to the fattest ass in sports. Kyle Raleigh continuing to do historic things. Golf happened. Bubba Watson, obviously. Go, go, go. Dude drops off the deck on 10 and 13. He comes in second. What's that, buddy? Kirk Kitayama won the PGA. The 3M Open on the PGA Tour. Okay, I know that guy exists for sure. Shot a 60 on Saturday. Love the way he golfs. I met a guy that shot a 60 twice named Stick. Okay. Okay. Friends of Morgan. Yes. Guy's an unbelievable golfer.

1:54:21Pat McAfee:Probably the best golfer I've ever golfed with. Will that change as Liv comes here to Indianapolis in a few weeks? Maybe. Shout out to Liv. Shout out to PGA. Shout out to baseball. Shout out to football. Being all the way back. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be back tomorrow if you'll have us. Wednesday, we'll be in St. Vincent College. And then the Hall of Fame. We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Goodbye. All right. We'll do it. I want to call it St. Vincent University. It's St. Vincent College.

1:54:48Yeah.

1:54:49Pat McAfee:Really? And I guess Tone's dad was in town this weekend. He was. Just so many hard Latrobes. Oh, Don Alley. Hard Latrobe. Just Latrobe all week, unironically. That's just who he is, how he talks.

1:55:01Adam Schefter:You guys got any good early Latrobe memories? The bus picked you up? Yeah, never heard of the dance floor?

1:55:07Pat McAfee:So I asked my – I thought I saw a photo of me as a little boy. I had white hair. My brother had white hair. And I think my dad took us up there. And I think KG. I think – I think so. Yeah, I think Kevin Green was very affable with all the fans and going around with him. I asked my mom to look for the photo. Couldn't find it. But I do remember, in my head, I remember being there. And I think the big thing is Steelers have always had just like, I don't want to say local legends because obviously they're in the NFL now, so the entire country knows them. but like Steelers players are revered by Pittsburgh people in such high all the time like all of the players forever so there's been so many legends of the Steelers and it's like training camp was the only time that you could really get up and like see them and meet them and take pictures now obviously with social media and podcasts and everything you see there's so much more access to people but if Fedco wasn't talking to them sure okay I ain't no shit about it so like the things that were coming out of training camp into pictures and people it's like it's cool it's one of those things that's like very much a pillar of western pennsylvania is the pittsburgh steelers training camp and i assume there's other places that are like that as well obviously the packers have great history with the bikes and everything like that you can talk about the old school teams which the pittsburgh steelers definitely are but it is very much like uh like hey this is a part of our fabric the training camp as a whole and i think people appreciate it because Pittsburgh is a working time, and training camp is literally work.

1:56:38So it's really just like a perfect collision of everything that is the city,

1:56:45Pat McAfee:which is why it's going to be so cool to be able to go there. I guess there's a little bit of a buzz of us going there, but even if we weren't going, there would be a fucking buzz because of training camp. They're saying it's the most. Sorry, go ahead. No, those are insane, but I feel like Pittsburgh probably has the most players who used to play there who then stay and live in Pittsburgh. College. Yeah, raise their families. Yeah, like a college. It's like a college team. Training camp is just like always at the same place. I remember Casey fucking Hampton walking into these St. Vincent College dorms with a pillow and a bed, and they're like, how you doing this year, Casey?

1:57:16Pat McAfee:He's like, I'll lose weight for probably the next two weeks. But it was like the same exact dorm. It's like just, you know, it's just tradition. It is like a college. Like the Pittsburgh Steelers are run like a university because there's so much, you know, kind of stay with the entire franchise. Yeah, and I'm not sure how it is for every other program, but I saw like last week, Kiesel was there, Troy Palma was there, Ike Taylor was there, Joey Porter Sr. was there, Casey. Like they all roll through every training camp, and I don't know how rare. That is not normal, I don't think. Other teams definitely have people that stop by, but the Steelers, it seems like every year they have tons of their old legends coming back.

1:57:55The Blitzes.

1:57:55Pat McAfee:Go ahead. Yeah, Tom, that's what I was about to say. Go ahead. The Blitzes, they keep the names, right? Isn't that the thing? Yeah, Tom, Dog Blitz. there's a couple other blitzes that they keep the same so when the boys come back they can actually just go stand in seven on seven and understand what's happening like those are the finer details that like you know hey let's make this a real it's awesome imagine being a player imagine being no matter what if you're a rookie young kid or even a vet on the team having these dudes that you grew up watching like and they're like they're like relate hey man when you're when you're when you're about to blitz on that one they know what you're running hey don't don't show it i saw you peeking up you know you got the weight in the front of your front of your feet you're leaning a little bit the quarterback so like imagine getting tips like that in a training camp practice like okay thanks troy paul amalu it was good troy's i guess troy's boys were uh ball boy and you know which is like so much a part of like that it's just even more feeds it all wow but him just like just hanging out back there i mean he's forgotten more about football than all those fucks yeah so good on every field and it's like hey uh can you get jesus to tell me what's gonna happen because it feels like that was kind of your thing.

1:58:59Pat McAfee:I think Troy could probably go out. I think he could probably make Pro Bowl this year if he wanted to. Just because he would know exactly. How'd he always know?

1:59:08Adam Schefter:Don Backer. How'd he always know? He always knew. His instincts were, I mean, top, top, top. Yeah, film for sure, but I feel like his feel for the game, sometimes you could, like him, Ed Reed, Charles Woodson, Honey Badger, like some of those guys just had a different feel for the game, almost like you had a football gods on their side. The ball finds a way to find them all the time. They always have an instinct of something like you talk about that fake kick. Just something off that he may have felt that he saw, man. But those guys were special. Troy was one of one for sure.

1:59:42Pat McAfee:I saw him jogging on the field with a little bit more pizzazz. That's what he said. I gave it away? No way. This is me? Probably Vinny. Have a little pep in your step. He could tell. That's my score. touchdown in Pittsburgh. I was probably pretty jacked up. Brandon, ear-to-ear. Troy sees you. We're doing it! I did not do that. Doing high knees before you get in there. Practice it with the ball. Were you going to run it in? Yeah, walk it in, actually. What if he would have messed with you even more and he let you keep it on because he knew, he's like, I'm going to kill this guy. Earhole. Because the way that was supposed to be set up, you've seen it.

2:00:22Pat McAfee:The fake has been run so many times. Literally, the holder just gets up and can just kind of walk right in because they overload on one side all you need is your guard to pull standard stuff and it should just be you should be able to get a freight train through there there should be no problem if you can get up that is all we need you to do here catch the ball get up and walk to paint that is literally what it was congratulations you're scoring a touchdown thank god that's what i fucking i gotta dance too i gotta do my shit when i get in in Pittsburgh. Were you going to dump the ball out? Were you going to poop the ball out?

2:01:00Pat McAfee:No, I was going to dunk it. Okay, first of all, definitely going to do that. Okay, Vinny, got to kick a 45-yard extra point. And then I was probably going to do the disappearing act, you know, with the handkerchief.

2:01:12Adam Schefter:Oh, yeah, your magic thing. That would have been a good give.

2:01:16Pat McAfee:Oh, my God. It would have been a full key and peel skit. We're dunking that thing. Don't touch me. Yeah. you know make that shit disappear ref flows the flag i pick that fucker up obviously start putting that thing if you have it if you have it on you yeah i had shit on me yeah like oakland uh we played oakland christmas eve we're supposed to call a fake i got tackled by darren uh i think darren bates i think killed uh killed me um i was supposed to score a touchdown there. I had the fucking thumb. I had the handkerchief in my hand thing. I was right. I was pulling that fucker out. We're doing it.

2:01:53Pat McAfee:I was prepared. Be prepared. Be prepared. $100 ,000 fine. Vinny, you're going to have to kick a 50-yard action point. I don't know. Act like you've been there before. I haven't, and I never will again after this.

2:02:05Adam Schefter:Christmas Eve, too. Oh, yeah.

2:02:07Pat McAfee:Black hole. Instead, they ruled a fumble, even though I was down, for sure. And fucking six guys on top of me. Fucking Jesus. This is not how this was supposed to go. Guy had to pull. It was supposed to be on one side, you know, because guard was going to pull. It was supposed to be on one hash. I forget, maybe the right hash inside red zone. We're on left hash at like 35. Fuck it, need to run it. It's like, well, the guard pulling now is a D lineman, not an offensive guard. This guy's never pulled before. I call the play. He goes, this ain't what it's. We're doing it. I hit a guy with a fucking spin move.

2:02:44Pat McAfee:Have you seen this? You ever seen this one? I don't know. Sure I have, but I can't think of it. Right in the middle. I thought I had him. Boom. I hit him with one of those. I thought I had him. Okay. Disocated kneecap, too. Nobody's talking about it. But boom. Hit him with a spin. Nobody. He hits my one leg into my other leg. I get a bruise on this leg from this fucking knee. This knee hits this leg.

2:03:05Adam Schefter:I just had a flashback. Oh.

2:03:09Pat McAfee:Violent sport. Violent sprint. Violent. Your one knee gives your other knee a bruise. Boom. turn. Bang. Down. Hit ground. Ball comes out. Holy shit. Strum on top of me. I was down. I think it was Hockey League. I'm telling him. I was fucking down because it doesn't matter, dude. It's fourth down. It goes on to goddamn... I won't lose a fumble. It's on the thing. If I was down, I would look at it. That's a vibe of the game.

2:03:39Adam Schefter:I got that game. Derek Carr. MVP season was ended that game. Yeah, sure. He was. Dude, you don't know, brother. You weren't. Well, no, I do remember, but it's always fun going back. Derek Harrell almost won the MVP. Dude, that was December 24th. I mean, that was late in the season. He was still.

2:04:00Pat McAfee:And then they lost to, like, Tom Savage in the Texans. Well, it's because his knee was twisted off like a chicken wing. It was nasty. I remember. He was. He was. He was filthy. I bet he looks back. His career was kind of never the same after that. How could it be? With what happened? I don't know. That was crazy. I saw a video of that old stadium. Candlestick? No, that's San Francisco. What's the one? Coliseum. Played in both of those. Got to play in Candlestick last year and in Coliseum last year. I mean, they're obviously dated and shitty, but it's nice to know that that's folklore. Like the Candlestick one.

2:04:38Nostalgia.

2:04:39Pat McAfee:So much. You come out of a movie. It's like you're in NFL films, like Steve Sable is voicing it over. There was people sitting sideways. You remember that at Candlestick? Like, you're sitting this way, and the field is this way. Because it was the whole thing. And you, like, walk in the thing. That was awesome. It was.

2:04:52Adam Schefter:That environment. That was Lambeau, kind of the same feeling like you're in a movie. Oakland, even Oakland, you know, they weren't. I mean, they were good that year. But, like, seeing the black hole and the fans there with all the shit on. And I went there. My best friend played there for a while. So I went there for a game as a fan. I think they were playing the Chargers. And, boy, that environment, that was some real shit, boy.

2:05:15Pat McAfee:Raiders fans always brought it. Yes. They always brought it. They got some record. Yep, here's the play. Here's the play. Here's the play. Oh. Yeah, we were on the left. We were supposed to be on the right. Guy pulls, falls. Oh, I got it. It's been moving back. Down. I was down through. You clearly saw it. Clearly saw it. It's a good move. I mean, good move. And, to his credit, good tackle. Thank you. Yeah, he read it. He was not supposed to be there. He knows that. Can you run it back? I thought you had it, honestly. No, gain of zero. Yeah, I looked over. I looked over. I was staring right at him.

2:05:45Pat McAfee:He'll get up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Read him. That's a good move. Okay. You, hot sauce. Man, good tackle. Down. I was down. I was down. Clearly down. Let's see. Down. Down. Your forearm was down. Gain of zero. Cool. I was down. No questions asked. I remember it happening. I thought I had him. Thought I had him. He almost did. Almost did. Yeah, he almost stayed up. Could you imagine? He there. Still go. In that, there's a hand warmer. I got a hand warmer on it. Oh, man. Everybody's on top of you. Your elbow folded underneath your body. Yeah, man. Hawk Lee's talking shit. I mean, it was a whole situation, bro.

2:06:28It's not a big deal. Not that big of a deal, bro. If it's a fumble or not, you're like, yes, it is. Yeah. To me, it's on my record. I get it. Yeah.

2:06:35Pat McAfee:Imagine my head. I thought I was going to hit him with a fuck. First of all, not supposed to be there. Oh, for sure. Okay, fucking no problem. Me and you, brother. Fucking NFL linebacker. You hit him with like a steal. Spinning. Circle. Circle. Circle. Better luck next time. He didn't all fall for it. And he was dancing while the people were. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's just tackling.

2:06:56Adam Schefter:Yeah, don't fight for it. Well, those days are behind you. No, learning moment now for kickers, punters. Like, doesn't matter who recovers this. It's our ball. Fourth down, bro. Yeah.

2:07:04Pat McAfee:And you look down and you see the change and you see you gain zero yards. Jesus, that's tough stuff. I was in a ball in the pile, had my hand on the ball. Kickoff against Dallas. Guy brings it out. Fumbles somewhere in 20, 30, maybe, in between 20 and 30. I'm late to the pile. I'm like, oh, fuck yeah. Get a chance to get, you know. I'm late to the pile. I start working my arm in. I get two ball. Got it. I have right hand on ball. Huh? Football? Christian Wilkins. Good question. What's everybody talking about? Jeez Louise. Yeah, have hand. You know, people always say there's stuff going on under there.

2:07:42Pat McAfee:I know, yeah, yeah. I was on the outside. I was on the outside. I was on the fringes out here. Hand in, though. Get two ball. Okay? No control over it or anything like that. But I'm like, hold on. Is this where I think I beat the game here? And then all of a sudden that shit gets, like, very quickly. And then I'm trapped under there again, and then it's a whole scene. Bad decision. Yeah.

2:08:05Adam Schefter:There's no worse feeling than fumbling. Like when that ball, especially when you get a pick, you turn it back. Thank you. Go down.

2:08:18Pat McAfee:First down. The big guys, the linemen get their hands on that ball, and then they run 15, 20 yards, and then that ball just gets punched. Wide receiver. Chargers, Falcons. First down then, bud. What happened this year, I think it was the Falcons. They either got a pick or a fumble, and the D lineman's returning the ball. Oh, I'm going to score a touchdown. Yeah, someone from the Chargers punches it out. They recover first down again. Blindsided. Always blindsided. Oh, speaking of. Go ahead. Oh, yeah, I saw it. You're talking about handkerchief and blindsided and pulling defensive linemen. Did you see that bull rip that guy's face open?

2:08:56And on that note, we'll be back tomorrow.

2:08:59Pat McAfee:Did you see it? I did not see this. Yeah, this is what our algorithm's been doing. I reposted. You reposted?

2:09:06Adam Schefter:I hadn't seen his face. All right, come on. Come on. You're part of the problem. I know somebody tweeted, like, hey, this is like a D-lineman in a trap block. And it was so accurate. I just reposted laughing, facing in. Some of the comments, like, God, this guy's face is hanging out. You should unrepost. Yeah, I did. I did. That's what people are saying to you. This post has been deleted. You sent it to me, D-butt? No, I got you.

2:09:28Pat McAfee:We need our algorithms not to do this stuff. Yeah, it was violent. He jumped in there. I do want to run with the Bulls at some point. That looked pretty sick. Did you see that? Did you see Troy Palomolo come in and help him? Yeah, I think Road Rules did it. Yeah, I believe they did. I did not see Troy Palomolo. Yeah, so after his face gets ripped off, a guy wearing Troy Palomolo jersey comes in and carries. Fucking Palomolo, of course, going to save the day. I saw a Palomolo jersey at the Yankees-Phillies game over the weekend, too. I don't think you did. You saw a Phillies - Yankees-Phillies?

2:09:56Pat McAfee:Couple. I think you saw a Phillies couple. We all did. They're having a good time out there. Now, I did see something in Ohio. Did you see? In Ohio? Yeah. What I want to say is thank God for fucking Kennywood. Okay? Oh, boy. Thank God for Kennywood. This can't be good. Could you imagine being a child in Ohio? More specifically, Sandusky, Ohio. What? You roll over there to Cedar Point. You go on the Siren's Curse Coaster because you're a kid and you're finally tall enough to ride. And what happens? Oh, you're stuck. Left to die. No way. Now you're going to walk down the entire thing. No way. Tiny steps.

2:10:32Pat McAfee:There's like an 11-year-old walking down these steps. Now, granted, they had to sit there for like 15 minutes or whatever first, and there's somebody that's like strapped up to it completely up there. And I assume they're saying, hey, you're in a much safer position than I am. Everything's going to be okay. What we need you to do is get up. Oh, my goodness. Get to this tiny little set of stairs over here. Everybody needs to keep calm. Hey, walk down 200 feet. There's no way. Be wary of the wind. It's a bit gusty up here. Have you seen how this roll cover works? Oh, that's right. It tips over, right?

2:11:04When it actually works. Oh, my gosh, yeah. It gets to the top of this hill, okay? And then there's no track. The whole thing tips. And it tilts down 90 degrees and connects to a track, and then it goes.

2:11:14Pat McAfee:And it got stuck right before a connection? Oh, yeah. Oh, so it's basically hanging up over nothing. Yeah. There's another video that I just sent to Zee that shows it. I will say this. Shout out to Cedar Point. You have been a fantastic amusement park over the years. We appreciate you obviously trying to upgrade your rides, but there's only one amusement park, okay, in this great country that doesn't start with Disney, and that's fucking Kenny's wood. Kennywood. Never seen this again. That track fills the 90 degrees down and connects to another track. Insane. Okay, so there's nothing below you right now.

2:11:51This is the start?

2:11:52Pat McAfee:No, this is where they got stuck. But, yeah, that's where they climb up to, and then where they're sitting right there, levers down 90 degrees and connects to another track. I have been somebody that has been to Cedar Point before. Great place. Great place. It's awesome. Charge it to the game, too. This is a part of doing the roller coaster thing. But, boy, when I saw this this weekend, I thought to myself, could you imagine being a 12-year-old on this? You'd be ruined forever. Never going to the amusement park again. Never again. That's why I thank Kenny Williams Steel Curtain for always showing up for me.

2:12:17Hell yes.

2:12:18Pat McAfee:And a potato batch doing its thing. Fucking great delivery. And a Thunderbird and a racer. I mean, you can put the fucking swings on that thing with Kenny Williams. Are we going before Trope? Yeah, Thunderbolt. You get it? It's like an hour away. Bird. I don't think we're going to get any of what we're doing on Wednesday. Oh, man. That's interesting. I got to go to the bathroom. We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Something nice might change your life. We're in this thing together. Hope you all are having as great of a summer as we are. We're trying to enjoy it. We hope you are, too.

2:12:46Pat McAfee:We'll see you tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Something nice might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.

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