PMS 2.0 1382 - AQ Shipley, Jeff Passan, Texans GM Nick Caserio, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

16:14Pat McAfee:That doesn't mean anything else about any other parts of his body. But we have seen his gut. We can assume some things. Host of In the Trenches, ladies and gentlemen, A.Q. Shipley. 29 and 7 eighths. They just wouldn't give it to you, huh? What I lacked in arm length, I gained in other places. You see what I'm saying? I gained in head size, stomach size, and other things, you know? Ass. Yeah. Ass size. Yeah. And you got those weird shoes you wear, too. Those big, fat shoes. You know, those Hoka things. Yeah. Size 8. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. Moved on. Moved on from Hokas. I'm on to Speedland.

16:55Remember the elk blood?

16:58Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. Somehow found worse ones. Yeah, they are worse shoes. Sorry. To look at. Whoever created that, you did a great job. AQ loves them. They're the most comfortable thing he's ever worn. Yeah, I thought AQ was buying all of us. Yeah, that's it. Oh, yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy. My eyes don't got to see it every day, but Wednesdays, that's all I'm happy about. Let's make an announcement. You made an announcement yesterday. You are color commentating for the Arizona Cardinals this season. Congratulations.

17:27Jeff Passan:Yeah, baby.

17:28Pat McAfee:What does this mean? What does this mean? Have you always wanted to do color commentary? How experienced are you in this world? And how'd this all come together? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I've ever – that's been a dream of mine per se. But, I mean, what I do on your show is essentially that for offensive line across the league. and now it's just calling it live at games just for the Arizona Cardinals, which will be really cool, and it'll help me with the In the Trenches segment. Obviously, I'll get a firsthand look at the Arizona Cardinals, boots on the ground at every game. The Arizona Cardinals are replaying other teams.

18:06You're going to have to look into the other teams. I get it, but I've got to be a voice to the Arizona Cardinals. I've got to kind of be the homer. Oh, okay, here we go.

18:14Pat McAfee:Okay, so we lost a little bias, or regained a little bias from AQ. You also will be doing Wednesdays in the trenches, which we are excited about. So you're going to have a great football season this year. We're pumped for you. Congratulations. Coming off a great offseason as well. Training guys. You know, he's been training guys. How many guys did you have this offseason? At 13, NFL offensive linemen come out to the Phoenix area and get the work in the shipyard. It's been awesome. The shipyard. Wow, that's a lot of guys. 13's a lot of dudes. Yeah. Especially because he doesn't have a facility.

18:45Pat McAfee:I mean, he's got a gym in his backyard. He doesn't flush the toilet. Right. It's a nice backyard. Yeah, very nice. He's got a trampoline in the ground. So cool. So cool. You probably don't hit bottom anymore. That's how thin you are. You probably used to really crash at it. Great backyard. But you're training these guys. Now you're a color commentator. You're hosting in the trenches. You're literally on a trophy. The trenching. Everything's doing great for you, AQ. Let's go, AQ. All right, let's talk a little bit about football now. Let's talk about what's going on. around the league. Philadelphia Eagles still the best offensive line in football, so we should look for them to repeat, or is there another group that we should maybe be talking about and maybe giving a little bit more love to, AQ?

19:23No, I'm a big fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. I think they've got a great offensive line coming back. I think Tampa had a really good offensive line. I think losing worse for a couple weeks is going to hurt them. Early on, when you lose your stalwart left tackle, I think that hurts a little bit, but you can look at the Buffalo Bills. They're going to have a really good group. You can look at the The Pittsburgh Steelers, I think they're an up-and-coming and standing group. Really?

19:44Pat McAfee:That's a big question. That's a huge question. I like their group, and I think continuity is a huge, huge, huge part of offensive line play, and when you get the same group of guys coming back, young guys to boot, probably spent the whole offseason together. I'm getting videos from your boys and pictures from your boys showing me Mason McCormick and Zach Frazier riding everywhere together on the same golf cart. I feel real good about this group. I like the group. Baltimore Ravens got a great group. They got Voorhees coming back from injury. Didn't really play a whole lot the last couple years.

20:16He was injured coming out of college. He didn't get to start last year. But I think he's going to provide some depth to that Baltimore Ravens group. So I think the Chargers got a good group. They paid their guy, obviously. And Rashawn Slater and Joe Alt, two of the best tackles in football. So there's some good groups. And then, obviously, there's going to be some other groups that kind of sneak into this. Who knows? I mean, maybe the Denver Broncos put together a nice group. I like their group on paper. Washington? I like Washington. I like Tunsell. I hate the fact that they lost Sam Cosme. He'll probably miss most of the year from the playoff ACL.

20:50But they should have a decent group as well. I mean, it's going to be interesting. I actually like Arizona Cardinals group. I think they've got one of the top ten groups in the offense. We saw a tweet yesterday that we know that you think that with the Arizona Cardinals.

21:05Pat McAfee:Until you don't do what the tweet said you do yesterday. which we completely understand, by the way, you're going to be on that plane. He's going to be on that plane. He's going to be flying on the Cardinals team planes. That's what happens here. After what he said, huh? You're going to hear a lot of complimenting of the Arizona Cardinals. If I had to guess, I would not want to walk on that plane. I'm going to be the best football coach in the line of football. Coach is so smart. Oh, my God. Geniuses, yeah. You walk on that plane, the last thing you want to do is like, Well, all right. I'm going to sit right up here.

21:41Pat McAfee:Hey, Kyler. Kyler. Why does my credential not work anymore? Why is my credential not flashing green anymore? Except for you to be biased towards them. I bet you they are, too. They finally get somebody. I can't wait until he's on the team plan. He's watching film. He's walking back to coach. Hey, you should run this. We should run a little. We run a little bit. Look, he's good at this, I think. I think he is what he wants to do. You got to keep your mouth shut on that fucking plane. You're not. Remember that? Okay. The color commentator. You're right. Let's not embarrass the program out there.

22:12Pat McAfee:Now. You're right. If they also signed a consultant here, that's an interesting dilemma. I mean, we draw up a couple blitzes. We got ideas, too. So maybe we're coaching. All right. Let's not. Once again, we don't need to mock Cardinals. Sure. No. That is what this is not about. You brought up Slater getting paid. There's another guy I got paid. Bernard Bennett. Bennett. I saw that. What do you think about Bernard here, Raymond? Now, I think there's a chance. We have not looked this up. He is the first offensive lineman in the history of the NFL. I just thought of it. Who? Mylotta. Does he wear it?

22:54What? The Guardian cap? Yeah. I thought he had one on, yeah. Jordan Mylotta? I thought he had the Guardian Cap or the already made different helmet, whatever it's called. Two different. Very two different. Yeah, I know. We're talking Guardian Cap. That's what I'm saying. This is trailblazer. Smart guy. This is ground breaking. Oh, that's who it is. That guy from Pittsburgh who got signed that no one likes. James Daniels, he's not one of those dealers. $100 million? I didn't say no one. Not that guy. All right, let's get back to it. Did you know this guy?

23:26Pat McAfee:I think I've seen him play. I appreciate the fact that he's a gigantic human being. Ballard loves him, obviously. All reports out of coach training camp. Anthony Richardson's playing football very well. Anthony Richardson prepared for football. Which makes us believe ours. We are believe ours. This guy had a guarding cap on playing left tackle, got paid$100 million. I think that is something that you would never think about, just in the entire offensive line space. but this is great news for offensive linemen that raymond's getting a hundred million dollars right isn't this good it's great news for offense line it should be a mandatory 10 discount if you uh if you're a guardian cap uh helmet guy but uh he doesn't wear it all the time he just saw the clip he didn't have it on he i think he did it for his teammates okay that was that was nice of him but no i mean he's a good football player and he came out a couple years ago and this is what you love to see, right?

24:21You heard Howie Roseman's interview about sign, develop, or whatever it was, draft, develop, sign, and I think that's a key piece that a lot of teams, if you want to get good, that's what you have to do. You have to take care of your own. You look at the good teams that have done well. They draft their guys, they keep them, they sign them. It's not like, hey, we're going to constantly try and redefine our team through free agency, and when you reward a guy that maybe wasn't a first-round pick. He gets drafted a little bit later. He kind of works his ass off. He climbs the ladder, becomes a starter, puts good stuff on tape.

24:55He's good in the locker room. And then you pay the shit out of him. I mean, this is exactly what you want to see, and this is good by the Colts. This has been a really good signing. They've got a good group. They let some guys go in free agency, but building through their own is a good step.

25:08Pat McAfee:Congrats, Bernard. Good work, Bernard. We don't know if it's Bernard or Bernard. That's how the boys have been saying it, but nonetheless, happy they paid him. They must they must really love him and also carly kalen casey this is probably the first one right yeah yep first big deal that has had to kind of be like yep so they're investing in offensive line i like that i appreciate that future looks nice especially with these highlights coming out of ar if ar can take a hit this year which is possible if he you know can avoid and figure out how to run without getting like absolutely clobbered every single tackle yeah like there's a chance he's a guy yeah everything that we have thought he could potentially be we've seen on these highlights so they got a tackle paid obviously we lose ryan kelly we also lost uh fries fries in there so it's kind of a a mix match group uh that new group hopefully they're they're off and running we'd be excited to see congrats to bernard now let's talk about an offensive line group that got exposed on the biggest stage go ahead d but yeah i saw i saw a coach group it didn't look that mixed match when i saw it but good good you're talking about offensive line yeah yeah good strong group two It's a powerful group.

26:15But speaking of two. It is a Caucasian bunch. Certainly. Ballard's got a type. Big, big, solid. Ballard has a type. I like it. But AQ, the Chiefs.

26:26Pat McAfee:I mean, it was all white. They came out of the woods. Oh, yeah. They came walking out of the woods. Like the White Walkers. Yeah. I think George Foster said, I ain't seen this in a long time. That's what George Foster, one of the greatest followers. What did he call it? He did. One of the greatest followers on X, George Foster, former offensive lineman in the NFL, black man. Haven't seen this in a long time. I mean, it was – He thought he was fine. Hey, good group, though. Good group. Just paid Raymond. Yep. And another guy that got paid. Guy, you've been very, very high on Trey Smith. You know, Creed Humphries in the center as well.

27:03But the outside of the offensive line for the Chiefs, are they going to be okay? That was their obviously glaring weakness in the Super Bowl against the Eagles. Are the Chiefs O-line going to make that step and be okay and be able to protect 15 this year? We've been saying the same narrative since 2020 when we played him in the Super Bowl when I was down in Tampa Bay, and it's been the tackles. It's been the bookends. Can we fix the tackle situation? Their interior three is as good as anybody right now. Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith, obviously. They let Tooney walk, but they're moving the left tackle that got benched last year in the first game.

27:35They're moving him inside, giving him a try. I'm not even going to try and pronounce his name. the kid from B1. Kingsley. Yeah, there it is. So, yeah. But the key to this thing is this, and I said this when we spoke after the draft. What the fuck was that? I thought they got a top ten. What the fuck was that? The kid's name's Kingsley? Kingsley. His first name. Suamati. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. B1.

27:56Pat McAfee:Great names. Maybe the best usage of the English language. Sorry. The kid they got out of Ohio State, I said this after the draft whenever you had me on the show, I said he was a top ten pick. Josh Simmons, left tackle. The clips of him coming out, he is a top-ten pick if he doesn't get hurt against Oregon last year. They get him with literally one of the last picks of the first round, and he is going to be their franchise left tackle for the next 10 to 12 years. And they got an absolute steal with him. The clips coming out of him, here it is. Look, he's just shutting guys down. And he makes it look smooth.

28:32He's throwing guys. A little dog. Yeah, he's got a little dog in him. I mean, he was arguably the best tackle in the draft before he gets hurt. He gets to go late to Kansas City in the first round. They got an absolute steal. It was an injury that a lot of teams were concerned with. But, I mean, he's young. He's coming back. He looks fierce. He's smooth as can be. He's athletic. He's strong. He's got the size. This could be a key piece for the Kansas City Chiefs.

28:56Pat McAfee:Modern technology, modern science, too, with all these injuries, little bit of them being young and everything like that, being a dog and rehab, how we have everything set up nowadays. days. I think you see teams take those types of gambles a little bit more. He's completely healthy beginning of camp. I don't know how much but you know. They're probably projecting that I assume at draft time. Hey, he's going to be completely healthy by camp. Do you still know how to do it? Yeah. Deal. You talked about him very loudly. You're like hey, the steal of the draft is this guy, this guy, this guy. And of course who gets him?

29:27Pat McAfee:Fucking cheap. And it's an offense alignment as opposed to being like a 4-2 guy. The steal of the draft is somehow an offense alignment And who is it? Veach and Reed. Yet again, it's unbelievable how great teams continue to be great. Okay, now speaking of tackles, I don't think he will be doing this ever in his career, but it's certainly becoming a trend. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Hugh, we talked about Kingsley moving inside for the Chiefs after he was drafted as a tackle out of BYU. Evan Neal of the Giants is now moving into guard. Obviously, Mekhi Becton did it last year for the Eagles. Do you think this is a lot of teams copying what the Eagles did because the Eagles did it and because Stoutland did it?

30:02and how pissed do you think guards are going to be that every highly drafted tackle who doesn't work out is now going to get a chance at guard over top of them? Well, listen, it's a last resort move, and that's what happens. When you start to not play nearly as well as they think you're capable of obviously drafting you in the first round, the initial move is, hey, let's just move him into guard. It cracks me up whenever I was upstairs with every team. It's always like, hey, well, if he's not working out at guard, we'll just move him into center. or if he's not working on a tackle, we're just moving the guard.

30:32It's like it doesn't always work that way. Listen, at the end of the day, Mekhi Beckton is a mammoth human being, and it just happened to be that he walked in to the Philadelphia Eagles with one of the best offensive line coaches, with one of the best schemes, and a scheme that fits where you don't have to do very much except just run off the football, right? When you are in a zone scheme, I mean, you can run off the football and get your body in the way of people and get your hands on people, and you're 6 '6", 6 '7", 6 '8", and 340 pounds makes it look easy. But if you're in a system where it requires, hey, you're going to be one-on-one backside quite often in this pass scheme, and now all of a sudden you couldn't do an attack, well, now we're moving you into guard.

31:10It may not work out the same way as it did for Beckton, as it will for Neal. He's been criticized heavily since he's got in there. This is a make-or-break time. Like, he's got to make it work right now at guard, or it's a wrap for him with the New York Giants.

31:22Pat McAfee:If you get two 6 '6 guys, whatever tackle size used to be, first what guard used to be, first what center used to be, if everybody's just going to be Goliath that can move, we got to see that Jordan Mailata guy at the ESPY. He's massive. And he can kick us. I mean, he's so athletic. Fast. It's just like, it's outrageous. If he had to go in a guard and be a pooling guard, he could figure it out if he had to do it. I assume there's going to be more athletic, bigger men as we continue to evolve here. If offensive lines are just going to become 6 '6", I mean, there already has been. Dallas Cowboys back in the day, I think, used to be known for that, right?

32:01Pat McAfee:Yeah, Raiders. Larry Allen. The Raiders used to do that. The Eagles did that last year. Obviously, Lane and Makai next to each other is just like outrageous. Linderbaum aside, the Ravens were massive. And it works. Like, hey, you win. Now, can you find all the guys that can fit in together? That's why the Philadelphia Eagles thing is so special because it's like they're all goats and they all just get along great and they all do whatever the hell Stout tells them to do. They're all paid. And they're all paid. And they got Saquon as they're running back. That's a good run. We can extend some careers around here.

32:36Pat McAfee:We can move some bodies over here. Offensive line, most important position in all of sports. Offensive line also most hand-to-hand combat in every single play. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, AQ, right now, Josh Simmons, You just mentioned him being a mean cuss. He also threw a mean right hook that got caught on camera today during practice. Every year, the training camp, the pads come on, and we get these sweet fights. I can't wait for joint practice season as well. But as an offensive lineman, how difficult is it not to fight every single play? And then how do you know when your coach wants you to fight to show a little fire?

33:14yeah i don't think your coach ever is sitting there condoning fighting because i think as long as your coach played he understands how tiresome it is to get into a fight that's what people don't realize if you're in the middle of training camp like d but you know this pat you know this like you've seen every offensive lineman they're just trying to make it to september like hey let's just let's just get to september and if we're sitting here and you know we got a 30 play call it period coming up, and it's basically full tilt, one-versus-one scrimmage, and the period before, it's a blitz period, and this defensive tackle keeps putting his hand in your throat, and all of a sudden, you swipe it down, he throws a jab, and now you're in a full tilt fight.

33:54I mean, you're seeing stars around your head for the next hour, and you're sitting there cramping up, and you're sitting there like, I think I'm going to retire. I think I'm going to retire right now. You know, so whenever that happens, you hope the fight ends short so you can get back, but man, if it's a long one, I mean, There's been times where my legs are dead. I'm trying to call a timeout. I'm trying to fake an injury to get out of this thing. It is the absolute worst thing because you get so tired. Your legs get heavy. Your arms get heavy. You're already on jet lag because training camp, that's what it is.

34:25You get put on jet lag four days in. That's essentially what it is. You're sleep deprived. You're waking up for drug tests. You're going through two practices a day. I know one of them is a walkthrough, but it's still their long days. Meetings drag you all the way until 9 o 'clock at night. You can't sleep because you lost a rep in one-on-one and all night. That's all you're sitting there thinking about. You're waking up at 2 a.m. I'm waking up at 2 a.m. trying to figure out an excuse on how I'm going to tell my coach what happened during that one-on-one and I look like an asshole. So all these things are combining during training camp.

34:55And then you get into a fight on day five or the second day of training camp. It's like, oh, this is going to be a long day. It's going to be a long day. I appreciate the fact that I didn't have to do any of that.

35:05Pat McAfee:Sure. You didn't get involved. No scuffle? I did. I've been in two training camp scuffles. They come over to our area where we're standing, we're sitting, and it's just like a push, push, push, push. So that helmet goes on immediately, and then it's, hey! You've got to be on the defense side, too. Yes, and Vinny was on the offensive. So we literally just faced each other. Hey! What the hell? We made a mockery out of the situation. But if you were to put on the film, when it came over to us, helmets went on and we were in the scrum which you have to be boys brought in that's a whole another thing if you watch film and the offensive line is getting in a fight and there's three offensive linemen that are not in with the offensive line i think you could probably pick out who's probably not going to be part of that offensive line group i think early in training camp you could probably figure out these three not probably going to be with the group like there's so much more that's going on in those fights as well obviously you're very tired But the team is watching that, too.

36:05Pat McAfee:The scouts, coaches. And the camera, they keep the cameras rolling. Roll it. They keep it rolling. So, yeah, it's better to be in that frame. Like you said, some people are bullshitting just to be in there, but you better show up. Yeah, have to show up. Well, I learned that at West Virginia because people wanted to fight our team every warm-up. It was just, it felt like, and maybe our team, you know, was a part of it as well. Dogs, you could say. Yeah, we had some dogs through and through. The whole team was dogs, I think, if you were to look back at it. I have to show face. That was my immediate first reaction.

36:36Pat McAfee:I didn't grow up in a football world. But a little standoff happens. I think it was our DBs. And I think it was probably, who knows, on the other team. And they're yelling and chirping. And I'm within, I'm 10 yards away. I'm doing my shit, though. I'm currently warming up. Have to turn around. Have to show face. Have to yell. Then Rich Rod, obviously, does a full, hey, don't be fucking scared to get in there now. You know, with the whole talking about me. It's like, okay, I did the right thing. Okay, yeah. I didn't know what the football world is. But, yeah, you always got to show up for your teammate.

37:10Pat McAfee:Have to. Here's Josh. Go ahead. My favorite thing is the O-line coach in meetings, like, afterwards, right? Like, he's obviously echoing the message from the head coach, right? So, he's sitting there. He's like, all right, boys, we can't have fights.

37:26I like that you got stuck up for your teammate. I like this. Let's watch that clip back. They're, like, breaking it down. they're like good jack good over here my man's driving for a helmet like i mean we are breaking this thing down like it's a ufc fight it's pretty awesome well the thing is the uppercut seemingly

37:42Pat McAfee:the right play because it's up under there but the pads yeah because you can catch you can catch the pads there so that's not as easy the helmet grab always the play for the losing participant that is always who normally he was going first or it's first act of aggression straight to the helmet here we have josh shimmons actually got into a fight here's mark pelusa's video uh he's filming it from his camera. I think so. It's hard. You'll see it, though. There's Josh finishing a play. Jab. Boom. What? What? What? And then guy grabs his helmet, takes it off. He's still in there. Where's the team?

38:14Pat McAfee:I like it. Where's the team? I like it. He's got to buy himself. A lot of white jerseys. I didn't like that. I didn't like that. Now, that play might have gone. I didn't like that either, but my man stood in there. He stood in the pocket like Iliad Teporia. Yes, he did. Like Iliad Teporia. Yes, he did. He max Holloway'd that thing. He said, we'll do it. It's right here on your guys' side. Let's assume the offense is on the complete opposite side of the field. Let's assume that he's on the complete opposite side of the field. And also, let's understand that this is very normal. Or they're thinking rookie's a little too overzealous.

38:45Pat McAfee:Well, and also, he's got a great – That was fat. Powerful punch. That was quick. He's worked on that. I think he's been in a gym before. Because the placement, too, that would have been – Now, with a helmet, not the greatest move. But he felt it. There was a rattle in there. All right, before we get out of here. Final question. It's a good one. Let's take you back to college. Go ahead, Ty.

39:05Jeff Passan:Yeah, Q, listen, I know you are a Penn State Nittany line through and through. And I'm just curious. We heard James Franklin's comments. He basically said, hey, listen, if Notre Dame played in a conference and had to play Blue Bloods like Purdue, like we do, then they wouldn't have beat us in the Orange Bowl. We would have went to the national championship. Purdue! Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So with that being said, do you think, because a lot of people think Penn State might be a national title contender this year, maybe going to go, do you agree with that? Do you think it's bullshit that Penn State has this murderous role they're playing, you know, Auburn and Purdue and Louisiana Lafayette and West Virginia and teams like that?

39:48Jeff Passan:Or do you think that James Franklin's maybe out on an island a little bit here? But overall, how are you feeling about the Nittany Lions going into this season? I think Notre Dame's schedule of yesteryear was a lot tougher I mean recently they're playing Duke they're playing Stanford Stanford isn't what it used to be they got one of the if they went to the ACC that's who they would be playing they would they need to come over to the Big Ten where we've made it a Superconference

40:13Pat McAfee:so James wants them in the Big Ten that's what he wants I think that's what it is I think that's what it is that's a good way to recruit them great angle I love what James Franklin's doing Hey, your bunch of sorry ass. Bunch, come on in here.

40:27Jeff Passan:I'm sure he's signing up to play them every year.

40:30Pat McAfee:Who, you think James Franklin?

40:31Jeff Passan:Yeah, absolutely not.

40:32Pat McAfee:Can I give you my take on the Penn State Nittany Lions? I think what happened at the end of that game against Notre Dame for Drew Aller was the best thing that could happen for Drew Aller. I think it's terrible for Penn Staters. Obviously terrible. Terrible for Drew Aller. Horrendous that that is on his resume. But I think that is a perspective putter for Drew Aller all offseason. Nobody's talked about him. We've talked about so many other quarterbacks. Drew Aller's 6 '6". Drew Aller can throw the ball forever. Drew Aller can run. He's got Moxie. He's an Ohio guy. His worst thing of the season was his last play.

41:05Pat McAfee:I think motivation, perspective, chip on shoulder. I think Penn State still has all those things. Also, I think you guys still have more money than anybody else in the country. You guys just signed a number one hockey guy. You guys signed the next Sidney Crosby, allegedly, this fucking guy. to Penn State. The other sports are in the finals. Hockey made a deep run. Yeah, the wrestling. Yeah, wrestling, obviously.

41:30Jeff Passan:Penn State sports. Yeah, women's volleyball is.

41:33Pat McAfee:Are about to become. Lacrosse. I think everybody just needs to get ready that Penn State sports is gearing up to take over everything with the way they are constructed with CEOs and donors and boosters. And they're not just collectives. They're coming from actual people that have companies that are spending this money. So I don't think like the commission is going to be able to cut them out of this whole thing. $700 million update to the stadium. $167 million in an offseason. This is money. They're just, fuck. We'll take this as well. We'll take. You donate$10 million, we'll let you in a speakeasy in the back door.

42:05Pat McAfee:$10 million is what it's going to take. Hold to Jim Knowles. Jim Knowles from Ohio State comes out. I mean, just like Penn State is all in on sports. I love that. I like that a lot. I assume you do as well. Do you think the football team, because there's so many other schools that are all in as well, especially in the Big Ten, Do you think they're going to be able to do what they did last year? And do you think they're going to be able to get even further? It's going to get real loud if they don't. It's going to get real loud because they have spent all the money in the world to keep that roster intact, right?

42:34They got their quarterback coming back. They've been able to keep both running backs. They go and coach Jim Knowles. They pay the defensive tackle. And all these guys were borderline pro guys, too. Like, they could have gone into the draft as well, let alone gone to another school for more money. So they've done everything. They've gone all in on this. They've gone all in with everything at the university. My man Pat Kraft is, let's spend it. How much does it cost? Let's write the check for a dollar more, whatever it is, right? So he's doing everything he can to win. He's doing everything he can to put this program at the top and the upper echelon of college football and stop Penn State from being mentioned in, okay, well, after the top four, after the top six.

43:13Like, no, he wants to win this damn thing. And they got the group coming back. Obviously, we like the quarterback. you loved that that play happened for drew allure i didn't love it but i also i also love the i know

43:27Pat McAfee:you didn't love it but i'm just saying mindset as somebody got death threats at the end of a season you know at the end of a football season uh my junior year like all offseason it was like i've done nothing i think i was all american already two positions i mean it was just like but that was just like you you are nothing in this entire world especially with what people that are supposed us be on your side or saying to you like people think you have done nothing for us because you missed that like for him i assume the shit has been loud loud at him and i think that's good if he's a dog like i think that's a good thing if he's a cj stroud talked about it at ohio state about how he had terrible time and he got murdered and it was like that actually like created him i think that like kind of calloused him a little bit for what life is nobody wants that road everybody wants to win national championship everybody wants to be perfect do that whole thing but sometimes like the worst thing can come at a time that can really make you your best you if that makes sense yeah i agree and i've known you for the better part of almost 20 years now at this point i know you have that mentality i think i have that mentality like whenever your back's against the wall like that's when your best comes out that's me too not everybody's built that way so i'm curious to see is drew how he responds if drew is that guy right like this is a big moment for him because every scout in America has your same sentiment, right?

44:49Every GM has your same sentiment. So can he be that guy? Will he be that dog whenever now your back's against the wall? Whenever it's a two-minute drill and the game's on the line and you're down and you need a score and you need a play, this year can you make that play? Because the guys at the next level, the guys that everyone's talking about, Mahomes, CJ Stroud, all these guys with that mentality, they make that play at the next level on the biggest stage, on the biggest moment in front of millions and millions of fans.

45:20Pat McAfee:Hopefully you guys are able to do it this year for Penn State. I'd be happy for you, man. And I also hope that Pat Craft gets rewarded, the athletic director up there, for all the fundraising. That's what athletic director's jobs are now. Your fundraisers. Obviously vision and everything, but your fundraising. $164.9 million, I believe, is what was reported. $164.9 million from 20 ,000 donors. 20 ,000 different donors. They have the most CEOs out of any school in the country.

45:46Jeff Passan:Gotta win.

45:47Pat McAfee:So they just got thousands of CEOs that are getting paid so much money. It's like, yeah, James Franklin, gotta win. Half gone. Yeah, because Pat Craft and that team are going to be there.

45:55Jeff Passan:He's doing his job. They're going to be there. Does he have to win? Yeah, I think so. What? AQ would be. I mean, he's never won before, so I guess it's like, you know. What's his record against top five teams or whatever that's like? Ladies and gentlemen, this man is color common. I like James Franklin.

46:12Pat McAfee:Remember, he was good. He had turkey burgers. He didn't know what was on his burger. That's because it was a turkey burger. He said, I like meat. I don't like turkey burgers. Why has he got turkey burgers? Because I think it's good for a community. I think, you know, because there's a farm right there. Sure, a locally source.

46:25Jeff Passan:Yeah, farm to tables. Didn't he make that fan a speed bump, though, after he yelled at him? I mean, he was going to fight a fan. He's a little fiery. He's a little fiery. I mean, that's James Franklin football.

46:35Pat McAfee:That's true. He was just talking shit to Notre Dame, telling him to come to Big Ten. Like that James Franklin, you know, but now he has all of everything that everybody else has had that he's been competing against, I think is what he would say. And now let's see what he does with it. All right. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Shipley. You're the man. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has covered a sport for us over the last few years that has kept us interested in a sport that we should have been loving all along. Obviously, the MLB is taking. I'm sorry. I saw a lot of baseball people get mad that I say the MLB.

47:04Pat McAfee:Am I just supposed to say MLB? MLB. Obviously, MLB. Yeah, I'm never going to do that.

47:10Jeff Passan:It's Major League Baseball. You wouldn't say the Major League Baseball.

47:14Pat McAfee:I get it, but it's like the league.

47:16Jeff Passan:Yeah, you say it for every league.

47:17Pat McAfee:Yeah, but that makes sense.

47:18Jeff Passan:The National Football League. The National Basketball Association. The Major League Baseball. Sounds stupid. It does. But that's, I'm going to say the MLB. A lot of people do that. You don't have to. The baseball people have tactics pretty hard. I know, I get it. Because there's man for giving an answer.

47:37Pat McAfee:and the one comment, the biggest comment said, he's talking to a guy that said, the MLB. None of this should count. It's like, God dang. Ladies and gentlemen, why didn't you tell me? Jet Pass. Why didn't you tell me, Jet? And the green screen ain't working. I see it's green. Jesus. Dude, I have wanted to say to you for so long, it's not the MLB. I know. I'm sure you have. Right back there. I got murdered. I got absolute murdered. Just trying to do the baseball. The baseball. You know what? Listen, I appreciate the fact that you acknowledged it, too, because you're right. If we're talking syntactically here, the Major League Baseball, it just doesn't work.

48:16But listen, as long as you care, I don't care if you call it MLB, the MLB, just baseball, whatever you want to call it. As long as you like baseball, that is what matters.

48:27Pat McAfee:Okay, I am turning into a baseball lover, so I think that's a good thing. Now, I will say football highlights all over the place. And it's distracted. I'm running. I'm a dog running. And all of a sudden, there's barbecue here. And baseball, baseball. Baseball is fun. Gino Smith just threw a dime to a guy named Dante. He said it was the darts. It was only one. Okay, all right, then we're back here. So baseball, football right now kind of colliding. And I think it will continue for the rest of baseball season. But let's talk about the baseball's future, shall we? Because I do care about baseball.

49:01Pat McAfee:And I'm getting into baseball. And is it a bad time to get into the baseball? Hey, this Bryce Harper stuff with Rob Manford, interesting. Then the conversations that I was having with people whenever we were lucky enough to be at the Home Run Derby, both players and other folks, it's like, hey, this CBA thing's a real problem. How? When is this? And baseball can't shoot itself in the foot right now. It feels like everything's going in a great direction. Do you agree? I would like to believe that that's the case, Pat, because the collective bargaining agreement doesn't expire until December 1st, 2026.

49:33So we got like another full year plus before it even becomes an issue and a lockout potentially is in play. But where it's at right now isn't great. And I think the confrontation between Bryce Harper and Rob Manfred really illustrates the two parties that we have going on here. On one side, you've got owners, and the owners, both publicly but particularly privately, have been talking about implementing a salary cap. There's a salary cap in the NFL, in the NBA, in the NHL. Why does Major League Baseball not have one? And the players, on the other hand, are like, you know what? And Bryce Harper, I think, believes this too.

50:17generations of players before the ones who are playing right now fought specifically to avoid getting a salary cap so you could have as free of a market as possible and so the the people who play this sport can be paid what they deserve and that there's no limitations on it there's no constrictions on salary on length on anything like that if a guy is phenomenal and he's out there in free agency, he can get 15 years in$765 million like Juan Soto did. And so you have these two sides that have completely conflicting opinions. And beyond that, Pat, you have a history here. It's been since the 1970s that owners have been pushing for a salary cap in MLB.

51:02They lost the World Series in 1994 because players went on strike to avoid having a salary cap. So there's a deep history here, and you're seeing a lot of the same arguments. You're seeing a lot of the same points. But I would like to believe that at the end of the day, everybody involved understands. I mean, everybody involved needs to understand that you cannot lose a season. You absolutely cannot lose a season because baseball isn't a good place right now. Baseball has people like you who they're bringing in and who are actually watching the game and seeing it and being like, hey, like, turns out baseball's good.

51:45Cool sport. A lot of games. Cool sport. They've got a long way to go and a large gap to bridge before they get to the point where I think the sides are going to agree on something. And I just hope the 2027 season is not the casualty to get there.

52:02Pat McAfee:All right, a couple years from now, let's assume that leverage is being flexed by both sides right now and that a good negotiation will take place and collective bargaining will happen and we'll continue to have greats playing great baseball, which is great for baseball right now. But I will say, Bryce Harper walking right up to the commissioner's face, saying get the fuck out of here. Dog. Love it. Absolutely. The boys. I know there's some Spanish speakers in there that don't understand a lot of English, so maybe somebody had to translate to them what was happening there. That's what I learned at the home.

52:29Oh, no, nobody needed to translate what was happening. When Bryce Harper's holding a bat and walks up to the commissioner and says, if you want to talk about a salary cap, you can exactly what you said right there. Yeah, and here's the thing. Manfred went right back at him. Yes. Like, Rob Manfred dropped an F-bomb at him, too.

52:51Pat McAfee:This is my fucking clubhouse. You shut the fuck up. How about this? Give me a bat. Give me a bat. How about that? Nobody gives him a bat. I need a bat! That would be a... Oh, man. What a moment. That's baseball, baby. Okay. You know, Pat, you know what that is, though? This is the first shot in the war. He takes all their bats. You don't get a bat! He takes all of them. They can't play anymore. You know what? That looks like that's not regulation. This is mine. This is mine. That's mine. Hey, let's send them all the big-seamed baseballs to this team. Where are your baseballs? Okay, we only got three minutes.

53:28Pat McAfee:We only got three minutes to a hard out. There's other things happening in baseball that are also, sorry, baseball, not great for baseball. Go ahead, Ty.

53:36Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jet, what is going on with the Emmanuel Classe situation? Obviously, he's like one of the big targets this year around the trade deadline, but now there's the gambling investigation. He's been placed on leave. So what's going on there? Is this an issue? Because all these guys are from the Guardians. And also, not just him, Eugenio Suarez got hit in the hand the other day. A lot of people were nervous he might have broken it. How does that impact his trade value and what's going to happen? Just quickly, what's going on with those two guys? Two minutes, Jay. Oh, I can do this easy. No broken finger for Eugenio Suarez.

54:12When you have hand issues, it can really sap your power, but I don't think teams are concerned at this point because there is no break there. He's going to be fine. He's going to get a haul. The Diamondbacks are going to do great. In terms of Emmanuel Classe, things are not quite as great Because when you see multiple teams, or multiple players from the same team, you worry like, oh God, could this be another situation like the Black Sox where everybody is involved in something? Now, it was interesting to see the Guardians put out a statement yesterday saying that it is expected that these will be the only two players who are involved in it.

54:50Major League Baseball continues to do its investigation right now. And the Guardians are not going to say that if MLB doesn't give them a sense that that, you know, they haven't found anything yet. And yet we also know that these sorts of things tend to have different layers to them. So I'm not going to sit here and say the Guardians are in the clear at this point. I hope, I hope as a baseball fan and for the sake of Major League Baseball that that is the case. But Pat, like, let's be honest about this. When you have micro bets that exist, when you can bet on something like, is this going to be a ball or is this going to be a strike?

55:28you are running the risk of having a 1 ,200-player population that is not all going to be immune to chasing the money, regardless of how much they make. And so Major League Baseball, however much it works with betting integrity firms, absolutely needs to be pushing for the elimination of those sorts of bets.

55:49Pat McAfee:Okay, and are they going to check into umpires at all? Did you see this? I saw this codify. Nope. Ball. Excuse me? What? That happened. Not great. Excuse me? But you just talked about micro betting and everything like that. It's like, I don't want to say, hey, that's obnoxious, but that is, right, as somebody that doesn't really fall.

56:06Jeff Passan:No, yeah, without a doubt. I'd guess he probably apologized not too long after that. Yeah, yeah. Listen, sometimes guys miss stuff. That happens sometimes. That is what the ABS challenge system is going to be for. That's why robot umpires are necessary, period.

56:23Pat McAfee:All right, we appreciate the hell out of you. Obviously, gambling, 182 games, how many pitches, is what you can do in baseball. It is ripe for the picking. Hopefully it doesn't continue to be a thing.

56:31Jeff Passan:Jack, can Class A still be traded or no? Like, does this affect that? I don't think anyone's going to be trading for him. I figured, but no. How many games?

56:40Pat McAfee:How many games? 162 in a season. I gave an extra 20. I wish. Yes. Well, with the playoff. Baseball fan. That's MLB, baby. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Passa. Thank you, buddy. I didn't like the condescending big baseball fan. KJ, you're part of the problem.

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58:14Pat McAfee:and right around the corner. It's just a beautiful thing. You know, whenever you wake up and think to yourself, I'm just a few weeks away from a Saturday morning, 6 a.m. alarm. Wake up, a little coffee, a little scroll through the internet, walk onto a stage, a few thousand, hopefully, students behind us, and kicking off a full slate of college football. Oh, man. What is that full slate of college football? Oh, Ohio State and Texas is the first. We're just a few weeks away. And that's not the only game. No, no, no. The whole day. Packed all the way until the 10 o 'clocker. Boom. 11 o 'clocker.

58:58Pat McAfee:Sorry. We got football right around the corner. You think about the NFL? Hall of Fame game. Two days.

59:04Jeff Passan:No big deal.

59:05Pat McAfee:Hall of Fame game is on Thursday. We will be there. Chargers-Lions will be. I don't know if we'll be at the game. It's supposed to rain. Yep. So we will judge with the race. We'll be at Canton. We will be at Canton. Now, if it's just going to storm all afternoon, there's a chance we might not make it to the game. Plan is, as of this moment, tomorrow, St. Vincent College, University. Thursday, Canton. Pro Football Hall of Fame. Right off the highway there, easy to get to. Easy to get to. Right off the highway there, you can kind of see it. Can certainly hear it. Turn the game down. Let's turn the game down now.

59:45Pat McAfee:We found out this morning that we will be right next to a highway, which, classic, middle America. Yeah, that's how it works. You got to get from one place to another here. That's how it goes. So we'll be next to the island. But we obviously want to give everything that we possibly can to the wonderful folks at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We'll get a chance to chit-chat with the entire class of this year in the first hour. They'll be stopping by. I cannot wait to learn more about their story. I cannot wait to learn more about the Hall of Fame. and cannot wait for the Chargers and the Lions to officially kick off NFL football for the year.

1:00:15Pat McAfee:Even though the game's going to be shite, we still love the fact that football's happening. The show's going to be awesome. The game will probably be awesome. But if I have to miss DJ Uyungle versus Kyle Allen because it's rain, I'm going to be pissed. Same. We'll be there. We'll stay for it. Okay. Well, I'll drive home. You guys go ahead. Okay. Okay. Done deal. All right. So that is an option. I'm not going to say I'm going to go home, but I do I would not feel bad now if I go home because you will drive home we will all view it the same way right yeah Tone will have his own rental yep so if we gotta get out of there if we have to he's gonna be alright Tone's okay can I watch this on NFL Premium Plus it's on NBC brother yeah NBC I think is sending from our understanding NBC's doing I mean they are NBC's treating us like a Sunday night football yeah you can definitely still watch the NFL Premium Plus premium brought to you by NFL premium.

1:01:11Pat McAfee:And who owns that? Does ESPN own it? Does anybody know anything about that? Mentioned it to Schrager the other day and Schrager was like right? Didn't he? He kind of did. As I was looking at him, as I was saying, he felt like he knew more than we did about the whole situation because all we do is see like a tweet from some rack that's like, hey, there's a chance that ESPN is going to buy NFL Network or whatever ESPN. Is that happening? Do we know? Does anybody know if that's happening? No idea. It's like a live golf PGA situation. The report was. So because our show is licensed through ESPN and technically in ESPN World, we should get free subscription, right, to NFL Plus Premium.

1:01:51Pat McAfee:Without a doubt. If that happens. Without a doubt. We should be working for that. And we should also get something we can give out. Yeah. Don't you think? Especially if we should be able to hand these out to the people that are watching. Wait a second. Are you guys getting free subscriptions like Disney Plus and ESPN Plus that I'm missing out on?

1:02:04Jeff Passan:Oh, yeah. Good point. No. No. No. No, we are not. I was paying out of pocket for those. Worth it, though.

1:02:10Pat McAfee:Excellent. Yeah, for sure. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Moana. Moana 2. Mackenzie loves seeing the lion in the sky. Oh, yeah. See you meet the lion. He's been in the limo. Yeah, all of it over there. Toy Story. I'm watching these Disney movies for the first time. Dude, not bad. What's your favorite so far? Moana has really stolen the day. I'll be honest. Just strictly because Big Oose is in there doing his thing. I think I really like Luca. I watched it last night. It's real good. Luca sucks. Luca very thin right now. It is in Italy.

1:02:37Jeff Passan:It sucks. Luca very, very thin right now. Yeah, he is. He was on the Yankees broadcast last night. How was he? He was pretty good, actually. I was expecting him to not say anything. He stayed for like two innings and was kind of just having a good time. It was pretty sweet.

1:02:49Pat McAfee:I saw him take a picture of Aaron Judge. Crazy how tall they both are. Yeah. You know, that picture just makes them both look like they're like 5 '11". That is not the case. That was at a high altitude. Yes. He had sunglasses on. Super trim.

1:03:01Jeff Passan:Oh, yeah. Like, incredibly slim. Looks like he's lost 100 pounds.

1:03:05Pat McAfee:And I saw LeBron work. He looks unbelievable. He looks like just, I mean, he's 6 '6", or whatever it is. Unbelievably tall. How tall is Aaron Judge?

1:03:13Jeff Passan:Aaron Judge is like 6 '8".

1:03:14Pat McAfee:So, I think Luka is a little bit shorter. Yeah, Luka is like 6 '6", 6 '7", I think. Yeah, he looks unbelievable. Is he still going to be able to do his shit? Yes. They'll be great. Absolutely. I don't know. I was always worried if I lost my fat that I wouldn't be able to hit the ball as far. There's a chance that Luka wonders if he can still do his...

1:03:37You think he'd be moving too fast? Yes.

1:03:40Pat McAfee:His thing is molasses. Isn't that his thing? Because everybody's going, and he's still on his second step, and you're gone. He'll figure it out. He might have too much quick twitch. Luca might be too in shape. Is anybody else saying that? I can't wait for them to kill him for that. Fasso lost way too much weight. Now he's getting bodied around. I can't wait for the full thing. Luca, you look great. We're proud of you. Speaking of looking great, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who's going through a midlife crisis with his hair and we think everything else. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J.

1:04:13Pat McAfee:Hall. A.J., I just want to let you know, four people independently texted me last night. Okay? Different parts of country. Okay. Yeah. All of them said the same thing. Different phrasing. Different eras. These people all came from different ones. So the way they said things was certainly different. they said that it is very much a yarmulke on top of your head that is basically what everybody has said yeah four different parts of the country and then you could add in my wife she didn't text me obviously she just told me is aj wearing one of those uh the jewish uh i say yarmulke she goes

1:04:55Jeff Passan:he wear one of those it looks like he's wearing yeah looks like he's wearing a yarmulke yeah and

1:04:59Pat McAfee:And I go, you're not the only person I said. I showed the text. This guy's in California at training camp. This guy's on the East Coast at training camp. This guy's in Florida at training camp. And this guy lives in Arizona, and now he's a color commentator. So everybody's saying it. I just want to let you know. I don't know if it's a lighting. I think it might be. And also, Shalombra. Shalombra. Okay, yeah. I mean, it's not a yarmulke. I do understand. I'm trying to grow the sides out, and it's going to be weird for a long time. I would just imagine right now. I don't have any plans, but I am trying to grow the sides out.

1:05:31The top, who knows? Like, that's the thing. Like, tell those people I appreciate them consuming the product. Thank you very much for watching.

1:05:37Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. Hey, anything to start a little attention? I like that. Keep doing the yarmulke haircut. Keep doing that. I will. That's good for the program. It is. There's no plans in sight. So, yeah, we're sticking with whatever we're doing. It's got the people buzzing. I'm excited for the end result. I don't know. No one knows what it's going to be, but I'm excited. I don't either. We saw it yesterday. We know what the end result is going to be. Very exciting. Yeah, we've grew up with like 50 people that all had this ratty, great flow of hair. That's where you're headed, AJ? You want a little axle nose?

1:06:05Pat McAfee:Daddy can still let the hair flow? Is that what we're doing? I don't think that's in the plan. But like I said, there is no plan. So who knows? I never say no. So for now, we do the yarmulke until we get this. This is what we're looking for. Ooh, that's perfect. It's not that long there either. The thing that I love about it is you clearly never got it layered, never got it trimmed. I trimmed it myself sometimes too. I didn't have any professional help, that's for sure. It's just one length of shit just all sitting there like a waterfall. I learned after I cut my hair, my hair was just all the same length.

1:06:40You needed to cut, like we're trying to tell you.

1:06:43Pat McAfee:They can cut this to make it not look like it is just a... Maybe you do that. JC was here. JC. I almost sat down and then I was like, you know what? I don't feel it in my bones today to get rid of the hair just yet. Sometimes you got to feel it. You got to feel it. AJ, wherever you go with your hair, know that we will support you. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that we have supported since the beginning. Back whenever he was wearing a headset in the booth. That's right. Remember? Even further back. You can go all the way back to when he was a scout for New England. You sported the shit out of him.

1:07:18Pat McAfee:Amen. Hey, they got this Italian guy. Huge brain. All these do-your-job documentaries, they got this fucking Paisan walking in. This guy's a guy. He supported me. Threw it at my pro day. Wow. Did he really? Boom. Yeah. Him and Bill B. So he was working whenever we came out of college? Yep. Yeah, I don't think he put me on any list. Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Houston Texans, Paisana, Nick Casario. Yeah. Unbelievable. I fought really far, Nick. All true. All true. did db's workout and back in the day i had a horrible haircut i know you guys are just talking about haircuts but i had a horrible haircut so i've kind of cleaned it up a little bit so it was kind of long kind of poofy so i try to get it cut once a week so i can't stand uh i'd like i just showed aj's picture i've never had hair like that so it wasn't quite that long i tell you what you went to super bowl why don't you go ahead and do that why don't you go ahead and let that thing just kind of flow there all the most important photos of your life just terrible long disgusting hair.

1:08:19Pat McAfee:I think you should sign up for that. No, I cut my hair once. I was going bald. I cut my own hair. So actually one summer I was cutting my hair. The attachment fell off. I didn't have a choice. So I just shaped it. All right. And that man is now a general manager in the NFL. And he will cut his own hair so he doesn't have to pay somebody else to do it. He's been a great businessman seemingly since jump there in Houston. Feels like you had a massive offseason. let go of a couple studs brought in some new folks traded out of the first round feels like you've been very active but nobody's been talking about it how do you feel about your offseason and how do you feel about being completely under the radar yet again like it was a couple years ago almost yeah no appreciate you saying that you know we feel like we've made some progress here in the offseason i think when you look at the entire afc south quite frankly they've all improved and jacksonville's improved tennessee's improved indianapolis has improved thank you they just extended Raymond there, you know, yesterday or whatever it was.

1:09:19So, I mean, I think the off season, the one thing that's consistent and one thing that is constant is change. So we understand there's going to be turnover with our roster each year. So what we try to do is just kind of take inventory of where we are, try to make good, smart decisions, bring people in that we feel fit our program on a lot of different levels, both personally and then on a field as well. And this is what training camp is about to try to sort through what we have on a roster, create some competition, try to create as much depth as possible to at least give ourselves an opportunity each week to be competitive with the rest of the teams, not only in AFC South, but the rest of the AFC as well.

1:09:52Pat McAfee:Let's talk about CJ Stroud a little bit. Obviously, his rookie season is record breaking and then injuries everywhere, I think, around the team. You guys would obviously not make any excuses, but sophomore season, not as great or prolific as obviously the magical rookie season. What do you expect from him? What did you see from him in the offseason? If I recall everything C.J. Stroud has ever done is like perfect for being the starting quarterback for an NFL team. Has that continued this offseason? What have you seen, Adam, from early in camp? Yeah, no, he's had a good offseason. I think he's had a good, I would say, spring of work.

1:10:24He's very committed, kind of started his offseason February, March. He was around here, and then he did some throwing sessions over the summer. I think the big thing that we're trying to focus on as a team is just consistency. When you look back at last season, you know, it started well five and one and then we were just kind of up and down and you know offensively it's probably microcosm for for the rest of the team so i think the big thing is just trying to make improvement trying to work on one or two things that you feel are going to make you a better football player cj's worked really hard he's gained a lot of strength he's gained a lot of lower body strength and i think the big thing with the transition offensively is just trying to get an understanding of what we're trying to do on a day-to-day basis so that's where we are and you know he's embraced that so we've had some change but you know i think we're just trying to we're collectively trying to get to a point where everybody's comfortable so that we're ready to go that first Sunday against the Rams.

1:11:10Pat McAfee:I think you're always going to be ready down there, especially with D 'Amico as head coach. Your defense just punishes people seemingly every preseason. This is just what we see is a defense flying around. C.J. Stroud being a guy, the moves you made on offense, how your defense is seemingly always going to be. Houston Texans, way too good. Go ahead, A.J. Need to be worse down there. Go ahead, A.J. Yeah, Nick, speaking of C.J.'s, I know you guys brought in C.J. Gardner-Johnson and obviously on the back end there for your defense. Can you talk a little bit about what he brings to the defense? We know the competitive atmosphere that is always around this dude and how he competes and goes after the ball.

1:11:43What does he mean to that defense, and what's he going to bring really to that team? No, you articulated it very well, AJ. I mean, you've seen that in the spring work and then here in training camp. CJ is a very instinctive, very aware football player. You don't have that much production on the ball without having a good understanding of not only your scheme but what the offense is trying to do as well. The ball seems to find him, but that means you put yourself in a position to make plays. So he's had a good attitude. He's had good energy. Honestly, he's kind of blended with the rest of the group.

1:12:12You know, we feel that's a pretty decent group back there in the secondary. We've got a number of good young players. And then CJ brings a certain level of experience to that group. So excited to work with him, but he's had a good attitude. He's an excitable guy. He's a fun guy to be around. He loves football. He loves to compete. And you see that on a field on a day-to-day basis.

1:12:31Pat McAfee:Yeah, and he'll get four or five people this year to throw a punch 15 yards and make this thing second and 25, which, hey, if he's on your team, which I think your team loves those types of players, that's a good culture. I think he fits perfectly with you guys. You know, you talked about your back end as a whole, not just CJ, GJ. One of your guys actually made it into Darius Butler's sophomore superstar. Oh, wow. Everything DB sophomore superstars group here is a loaded class, you know, top 100 across the board. Go ahead, D-Bone. Absolutely. AJ just asked you about bringing in CJ, GJ, but you got some studs.

1:13:06They're already Petrie, Stingley, Pace, Stingley, who I think is one of the top, you know, probably two corners in the league and some other weapons. How have they gelled as a group so far early in this camp? Yeah, by the way, D-B, that's a really good list you have there. Those are all good football players.

1:13:20Pat McAfee:Hey, that's what you saw when you were throwing at his protein. You know what you're talking about. But as far as our group, it's it's an interesting group they're highly highly competitive they're very very salty and they really don't say a lot they just kind of show up and work petrie's that way lassiter is that way for sure i don't think stingley has said you know 15 words since he's been here as a rookie but they kind of let their play do the talking um which you like to see bullock is kind of the same way and bullock's got a little bit of personality um but they're all kind of younger players and when you add CD to that mix.

1:13:56It's just kind of an interesting group that we've pieced together. Jimmy Ward is still on the team and on the roster. He has a lot of experience. Jimmy's hurt right now. I know he's dealing with his situation personally as well, but it's a pretty good blend of some younger players that we feel continue to ascend and then some experienced players. Ultimately, the big thing defensively is just trying to take the ball away, trying to prevent big plays, and then just getting the ball with reckless abandon because that's what D 'Amico preached to the

1:14:24Pat McAfee:defense and we have a lot of guys that fit that profile yeah it feels like uh you should get good in the back end because i don't know if you're seeing the clips coming out of indianapolis i don't know if you're seeing them nick nick's not a believer he's the guy he's become the guy it appears that we all thought he could potentially be do you watch what's happening in other training camps like i do like we're watching these highlights just like going like we are it's a problem i don't think it's a healthy thing we're seeing how like not only colts and nick look out for that down there in light high south down there in houston okay you need to watch out for that but do you watch what's going on in other camps right now uh because obviously there's gonna be a lot of turnover from like how do you balance that during training camp for sure you're kind of looking at everything i mean we don't necessarily get to see what's going on in training camp like i said like i talked about a little bit earlier like the whole afc South has improved.

1:15:20So I think what we have to do is kind of focus on our team, our improvement, try to get a good foundation in place, and then get ourselves ready to go for those opponents when it's appropriate. But have a lot of respect for the teams in our division. Not surprising Anthony's playing well. Anthony's a very talented player, but we have, I would say we're reading what's going on. So you kind of have a lay of the land of maybe what players are doing well, what players are standing out, what players potentially could be available. But as far as video and that, we're not going to really see anything until the preseason games start and you're seeing it a little more on a personnel basis not so much schematically but like i said we have to focus on our improvement because we understand the challenge that are in front of us in in our division and like i said earlier every team has gotten better so this league is about showing up each week being consistent and having respect for your opponent that's the way we approach it and then try to focus on the texans and just being the best version of ourselves on a week-to-week basis.

1:16:11Pat McAfee:I'll start texting you the clip, Colts. You need to get eyes on these at night when you're sleeping so you know. I kind of want him to see so he has nightmares of the believers. He's kind of running all over. Never mind. You've got enough to worry about. I don't need to add to it. We know they have good players. We're certainly aware. There's no question. Thank you. Nice. So do you. A lot of them. You've changed over a very important position. We obviously have AQ Shipley on our show every single week. He's now the Keller commentator for the Arizona Cardinals. Don't know if you guys play him. I'm sure he'll have great things to say about you.

1:16:46Pat McAfee:He has really pointed out the fact that the teams that win are the teams that have great offensive lines. We've tried to showcase that because we think offensive line is the most important position. You guys have done a lot. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Nick, whether it was fair or not, last year, the offensive line you guys had last year took a lot of heat and there was a big overhaul of the offensive line coming into this season. How do you feel about your new offensive line and then how hard was it to trade Laramie Tunsil, who's kind of been the cornerstone of that offensive line for so many years?

1:17:12Yeah, great question on a lot of different levels. I would say relative to Laramie. Laramie's a really good football player, did a lot for this organization for a number of years. Anytime you make difficult decisions like that, it's never easy. You try to have conversations and in the end do what you feel makes the most sense for your football team. Any decision that you make, we understand that there's probably going to be a lot that comes along with it. But relative to our group, I have a lot of players with varying levels of experience, a number of veteran players like Cam Robinson and Lakin Tomlinson, combined with a number of younger players, drafted Ursary in the second round.

1:17:44Jared Patterson's done a good job for us. Titus Howard's kind of been the most experienced player here. So we feel like we've created a decent amount of competition there. And you mentioned it, and D 'Amico talks about it all the time, like this league, everything starts with the front, the offensive and defensive line. And really it's about how you play as a unit, specifically on the offensive line. So you need all five guys moving the right direction, communicating the right way, making sure that you get the blockers disseminated appropriately. So it's going to take a lot of work. We have a new offensive line coach as well.

1:18:14So everybody's kind of starting from ground level. But we're going to be as good as a team as our fronts are. So on the offensive and defensive lines, when you look across the league, ultimately that's where games are won and lost in addition to taking care of the football and being sound situationally. So we'll try to focus on that, and we'll try to put the best five out there and give ourselves the best chance to win.

1:18:35Pat McAfee:Obviously, they have to have the ability, but any five could become the five. You know, like it is crazy how offensive lines can kind of piece together. Don't you agree? No, no, there's no question. I've been a part of a lot of different shapes and sizes. And I would just say, like, looking at AQ, like, I mean, the guy had an unbelievable career, 12-year career. And the reason that he lasted in this league as long as he did because he was smart as hell and he was tough as hell and he had enough physical ability to go along with it and he was able to maximize it. And when you look at offensive line play, it's really just about mitigating the disaster play and just making sure that you're sound so just so that the defensive front doesn't have a direct line of the quarterback on the inside part of the pocket or a straight line off the edge where you don't get a hand on him he had 29 and seven eighths inch arms is he the only guy that you've heard of in offensive line under 30 inches that has made it super bowl champion i'm sure if like you ask all the analytic gurus he probably shouldn't even made his root training camp but you know he was called that the guy won the uh remington and then he didn't get drafted until after me exactly and then he lasts 12 years i mean i would say another player you know we had shaq mason had him here in houston last year had him in new england as well he was 6 '1 305 pounds and that guy started at guard for 10 years you know so i think sometimes these measurables are a little bit overrated um but you can't put a lot of stuff sometimes a guy's toughness his competitiveness is just overall like work on a day-to-day basis i mean it carries a lot of weight and you see it across the league not only our team but other teams as well no i i think finding out who's a dog and isn't is an easy job that's why it's so simple to put together a good team kind of doubt that's why every team it's so easy to just figure it out dealing with humans yeah 53 of them hoping they'll all show up and get along that is that's not an easy feat that's a psychology sociology test i mean there's There's so much that goes into it.

1:20:28Oh, there's so much. Real, that's real. Honestly, this time of year, you're managing 90 players. So understand, you have a lot of people in your building, different personalities. You're going to go from 90 to 53. Then you're going to have 16 on the practice squad. So you have, I would say, 70 different personalities in your building at once. And not everybody's the same. But part of our responsibility is to get the right people with the right mindset and the right mentality, just moving in the right direction. And if you get enough of those people, in the end, it's going to come down to how well you execute on Sundays.

1:20:55Pat McAfee:Are you, they say copycat league. You know, that's kind of what every league is, I think. The NBA, the NHL, the NFL, and MLB. Yep, well said. All copycat leagues. You guys see the Eagles win. We all see the Eagles win. They ran the ball more than they threw the ball by hundreds. Saquon Barkley, obviously, the offensive line. D-line, four first-rounders, everybody's able to go. So you see that and say, hey, this is where the league's headed. Does that change anything as opposed to maybe the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl? How does that affect you as another team in the NFL? No, it's really interesting.

1:21:36I think there's a cyclical nature to our league, whether it's defensive front structure or offensive personnel. We went through that experience at different points in New England. We were an 11-personnel team. Then we were a 12-personnel team. Teams are using a little more 21. But even when you watch Philadelphia play, they're an 11-person personnel team, but they can run the football as effectively as anybody with opened-up formation. So a big part of that is they have a really good offensive line, as you mentioned, and really they have one of the best players in the league in Saquon. But what you have to do is figure out what do you have on your team, what do those players do well, and then kind of where are the opportunities on the margins to make some improvements.

1:22:13But in the end, this league comes down to situational execution, taking care of the football, and at some point you're probably going to have to get a yard in critical situations. So if you can run the ball or stop that play, then you're probably going to have an opportunity. But the league is very cyclical. And to your point, Pat, it's not you just copy what another team does. You have to figure out what works. But we've got a lot of smart people in this league, and everybody's studying what everybody else is doing and trying to figure out can we incorporate that into our system or maybe if something else we can try.

1:22:43So in the end, you have to do what's best for your players and your team within the structure of what you have.

1:22:48Pat McAfee:I don't know if you saw it. You say you're going to need a yard at some point. Shane Gillis created the tush-push. Is that what we saw? Yeah. Oh, is that where we are on that? Yeah, I think I saw it on the ESPYs. I think it was on the ESPYs. Yeah, I think it was. So maybe you call him. Yeah, he's down there in Austin, right? I don't know how far that is from Houston. He could probably come up with a yard play for you guys. Came up with one. Maybe we could put him on a whiteboard. Yeah, maybe he can give us a play and get us a yard. Former D1 offensive lineman. People forget that about him. And Marine.

1:23:17No. Excuse me, Army. Yes. Who in any, yeah, let's move along. Let's talk about putting a team together.

1:23:24Pat McAfee:Let's talk about putting a team together. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Nick, every year you seem to kind of support CJ Moore with wide receivers, or CJ Stroud, excuse me. First year you bring in Dalton Schultz kind of as his vet in there, already having Nico Collins last year who's digs. This year it's Christian Kirk. You're the only guy who seems to check Schefter's notifications when someone gets released and then reach out to that team and just trade for them. I don't know why. That is your move. Don't know why no one else does it. You did it with Joe Mixon last year. Now you did it with Christian Kirk.

1:23:55Great player. What is kind of the strategy in doing that? And then what's the strategy in bringing in three or having three Iowa State Cyclones on your roster? Because we're go Hawks and those guys typically don't pan out.

1:24:09Pat McAfee:Well, Tyree Salaberg is an Olympic gold medalist. Brock Purdy just got made. Different sport. Yeah, no, no. Brock Purdy, Brock Purdy. He's one of one. He's Mr. Irrelevant, man. No one can do that. What are you talking about? Campbell. The guys won more games than anybody in the history of the Ohio. Yeah, Matt runs a really good program. Me and Tom, we have a lot of respect. I have a lot of respect for Coach Ferentz. I mean, longest tenured coach in college. So I have a lot of respect for his program. But specifically to your initial question, really you're just looking for opportunities to add players to your team, and there's no straight line A to B.

1:24:39So if a player gets released, if he makes it to the waiver wire, then he's going to terminate, and then he essentially becomes a free agent. and there's going to be competition for that player services potentially, so you get involved in that. Or if you feel that's a player that you want to be able to gain his services and if you have to make a move and give out draft compensation, that's a choice that you have to make. So we've done that a few times here in Houston. We did it back in the day in New England as well. We did it with Jason McCourty, something very similar. So it's really just about trying to take advantage of your opportunities and make decisions that you feel make the most sense.

1:25:12As it pertains to the number of Cyclones that we have on the team, Yes, we do have three. I don't think we went into the draft with the intent to draft two players from the same program. But Jaden and Jalen were both really good football players with the right mindset, the right makeup. They kind of complement one another. So our job is to bring as many good football players and people in the building as possible and then let the competition sort itself out. How many Hawkeyes you got? Not enough. We have Luke Lachey. We took Luke in the seventh round this year. I think he's the only one. I have to check with Omar on that.

1:25:42But, yeah, we've had Hawks. We've had Cyclones. Have we had any Mountaineers? We'll have to do that. We've got enough Buckeyes, so we're trying to run the gamut here. We have any Huskies? I don't think we have any.

1:25:56Pat McAfee:There was no reason. There was no reason to do what you just did right there. Huskies are coming. I don't know if the Huskies are ever going to come anywhere. Back. I'm sure they do. I'm sure at some point you guys come somewhere, basketball and everything like that. Don't relax. Mountaineers, though, everything that you're about, from what I'm hearing, Rich Rodriguez is about to create some boys for that team. I just want to let you know that. We've got some Mountaineers that are ready to run. I don't know if it's going to be this year. Okay? Sure. Be tough. Trust. It's like 100 players. The Mountaineers are ready to go.

1:26:32Rich Rod will get them back. Rich Rod.

1:26:34Pat McAfee:He knows. This is Joe Marion. How many wins? Was that 10 wins? Shut up, AJ. You guys going to beat Texas week one or not? Okay, let's just talk about that. Let's just talk about that real quick, all right? Don't you worry about what Rich Rod's doing in the hills of West Virginia right now. Okay, we're building dogs. We're ready to become Texans. But if not, they're going to be Indianapolis Colts. And you don't want to see them in your nightmares, brother. Speaking of nightmares, we know how much you love the American one. Yep. And we know how much you love WWE. You're in a middle training camp right now.

1:27:01Pat McAfee:You're obviously focused on a lot of things. But there is a huge change to the wrestling world that's happening. Go ahead, Ty.

1:27:07Jeff Passan:Yeah, Nick, obviously you're up to your eyeballs right now in football stuff. as you should be, but I hope, or maybe you're not, but if you're not going to, I think you should cut a little slice out every night to check out WWE Unreal on Netflix. As a big-time mark, just curious, are you excited to see how the sausage gets made in the WWE?

1:27:28Pat McAfee:It is very much, by the way. You haven't seen it. I've only seen clips. I haven't watched it yet. Everything. It's nothing sacred.

1:27:35Jeff Passan:That's kind of where I stand. It's nothing sacred. I don't want to kill kayfabe, But again, knowing you're a big American nightmare guy, we saw in the preview him and Kevin Owens kind of discussing their match from the Royal Rumble. So is that something to kind of get away from football at night you'll maybe sit down and kind of tune into? It's funny you bring that up. At some point, I probably will take a peek at that. Real quick, actually, when I got home last night, I saw the tail end of Raw on Netflix. And then I actually happened to listen. I was at a conference in March. Triple H was there with one of the executives from Netflix and essentially they were talking about the transition from USA or the network to Netflix and the reach.

1:28:18It was really interesting kind of hearing their perspective. I did see CM Punk's monologue last night. Of course, he did a really good job. Promo! Promo! Speak the words! Then they previewed the card here this weekend. So, yeah, I mean, the fact that it's Cena's last SummerSlam match, All right. I mean, how do we think this is going to go? We'll see. We'll see. Whoa.

1:28:41Pat McAfee:He might lose, brother. This could be all over. You never know. The run of Cena, the last time is now. Maybe the last time him being a champ is now, too. You never know. Just a few days out. Roman got his Jays stolen from him last night. No way. From Bronson Reed, right off his feet. Bad move. Big Bronson Reed? Yeah. Yeah, the tsunami's back, baby. It certainly is. Bronson's a bad man. Bronson's a bad man. He is a bad man. He's coming off the top of a cage. He's trying to tsunami. Did he do the wheelchair gimmick? No, he's just LeBron Breaker and Paul Hammond. Anyways, the unreal thing. I've seen the clips.

1:29:16Pat McAfee:I would like to say, because I feel like everybody in the wrestling world has given their opinion on it, I was not a big fan of this thing. I did not enjoy the thought of it just as a wrestling fan. I enjoy watching things that happened 20 years ago, like undertaker and mick foley chit-chatting after hell in a cell and seeing the clips later in a documentary love it the rock and mankind chit-chatting after that love it all the behind i think brockman undertaker's moment before they go out there like years later like i enjoy seeing it years later i just didn't know how i'd feel about it every clip i've seen is like this must watch like this is gonna this is very very very good content that i assume they knew the world with love and i think if you look at early indications everybody's watching this shit nick everybody's watching it well look as you know they know what they're doing so they obviously felt like if they put this product together like there was going to be an attraction and there was going to be interest they wouldn't do something haphazardly which is why the product has lasted as long as it has and there's still the interest in the pull that there is i mean you know i was watching clips obviously you know with hulk's passing and you're looking at some of the clips and what's happened And think about that.

1:30:26I mean, he was in it for 35, 40 years. And to still have that reach and for the WWE to still have the attraction that it does, I mean, they obviously know what they're doing. So you can do nothing but tip your hat to them.

1:30:38Pat McAfee:Yeah, it was a big decision, I think, probably that was made. Hey, we're going to give this whole thing away here. But then as you're watching it, it's like, oh, people that aren't interested in wrestling are going to love this.

1:30:47Jeff Passan:Well, it's also like it's kind of for the more adult fans. Like it's TV. It's mature audiences. So like they're not editing anything out. Those are actual conversations where nothing's bleeped or anything like that. So it's not like they're just like, oh, yeah, the 10 to 14-year-old demo who watches every week, they're going to love this. This is for the adult fans.

1:31:06Pat McAfee:NFL Films did a great job with this, I think, from the clips I've seen. I think it is historic type shit. I was like you. I was against it at first, but I think when we had Paul Heyman on, and you asked him about it, his answer kind of turned me before I saw it. And then I was seeing the clips. I haven't saw it and watched the full episode yet, but the clips have been banger after. Great. Every clip is hit. After banger. Every clip has been great because it's bringing new. A lot of smart people in wrestling. A lot of smart people in wrestling. Well, I think that's what's being showcased. Like, hey, you guys think this is all just like some knockoff bullshit.

1:31:35Pat McAfee:They've never won an award, like from the mainstream. WWE has never won an Emmy. They've never won anything for anything that they've ever done. Because I don't think they've ever been. They've always been like, oh, that's wrestling. That's wrestling. I think what Unreal is showing is like, hey, there's a lot that goes into this with some very big brains. Like these are, now granted, are they brain surgeons? No. Certainly not. Are they able to do, but in the wrestling world, entertainment, telling stories, controlling crowds, controlling everything, it's like, it's unbelievable. I think it's gonna, I think it's very good.

1:32:09Pat McAfee:I was a non-believer. I told him not to mic me up. I'm like, I ain't doing this shit. That's what I said. Yeah. As if I matter. They asked me to be in it. I'm like, nah, I'm not doing this shit. I look forward to watching when I get the chance, for sure. For sure. Well, we can't wait to watch your team continue to bust ass through training camp. You guys thumped down there. Feels like you guys are big-time hitters. Mad respect. They almost, like, killed Jalen Noel, I'm pretty sure. I think it was Petrie. Yeah, how do you talk about that? It was Higgins. Yeah, Higgins. He took a little bit of a shot today.

1:32:40A little bit. It was actually a clean hit. He'll talk about it in a team meeting here in a little bit.

1:32:47Pat McAfee:Hey, this happens, boys. That's a clean hit. That's going to happen every single time. all right we appreciate you man thank you for making time appreciate you fellas thanks for having us on ladies and gentlemen the general manager of the houston texans nick casario he mentioned that omar fella omar's the man he's the guy that made that whole thing happen reached out to me cold last week hey hope you're great if you want to talk to anybody we obviously are all back and everybody loves you awesome i was like uh casario stop by because and text me back the next morning casario good for tuesday perfect easy let's do it i appreciate them texans have always been good to us.

1:33:22He's the man.

1:33:23Pat McAfee:Very good. Yeah, he's awesome. He's always so good on the program. And they're kings of the South. He gets it. He understands. He's a rational human. Sometimes you don't always get that with GMs. They think they're all consumed by the gig. He seems like a real human still. Him wearing the headset whenever he was up in the booth with old buddy that was chewing his tongue. That's what I was about to say. Easter B. He started with Easter B. Now he's with Tomiko Ryans. So, who was the guy that – Coach Dave? Oh, Dave Coley. Chewing his tongue. Chewing his tongue. He got a raw deal. He got a raw deal, man.

1:33:57Pat McAfee:He did get a raw deal. Coach Dave Coley had no shot. Placeholder for Josh McCown. But what we – yeah. McCown never coached. Yeah. So – Those boys fought for Coach Dave. That was an interesting time. They did. For the Houston Texans. And that was also his, like, first year. The Easterby's running shit. This guy's chewing on his tongue. We're going to win in games. Never heard of him.

1:34:16Jeff Passan:The owner had just died. His son took over, and they were calling him Tommy Boy. no yeah yeah yeah yeah the whole turn it around quickly though i give him even more credit when you go back and think about what this whole franchise has been through yeah but we how we

1:34:32Pat McAfee:got introduced is in the middle of that fire is happening is a general manager wearing a goddamn headset up in the booth and like wearing things down it's like hey bud and now okay we don't need to do that then he comes on the show and he's like yeah i like to be on the headset because i like to know what we need, what they're looking for, how it operates. It's like, oh, this guy's very – like, he's defending this. You don't think of General Mandra with the headsets a little bit? He said there will come a time, I think, whenever I probably won't do it, but I need to learn what our coaches are like, what our team's like.

1:34:59Pat McAfee:I did it in New England. I think we were okay up there. It's like, yeah, I think you are. I think it is A-okay. And he's done so much, so many different things and different parts of the building that, you know, him learning. I mean, yeah, he's the guy. He's the right guy. I don't like you calling the Kings of the South. Yeah, me neither. Look at the banners, bro. Go count them. They've won a division title in the last 10 years, right? Well, we got a little dust on our banners. That doesn't mean we got more of them. We do. They've taken more banners down than they've put up in the last 10 years, actually.

1:35:31That's true. I still don't like that that happened. Yeah, I completely forgot about it until right now. Me too. I don't like that you did that. I remember. I wish I did it. Yeah, I didn't.

1:35:43Pat McAfee:That thing. Right there. Right there. Unbelievable. Wow. Certainly. You're on that team. Yeah. Would they take down? Participant banner. The shitty banner. The one that said we made the AFC playoffs? No. Final four banner. AFC championship. AFC championship runner-up? Is that what the banner said? No. Finalists. Dude. That really happened, though, like honestly. Oh, yeah. They got rings. Did you guys get rings? Shut up. Enough. It was a tough game. It was a tough game. It was a tough offseason after that. A lot of reliving of that game, too. For two years. Brady gets suspended until 2016. They put the banner up.

1:36:34Pat McAfee:Remember that? Yes, Tom Brady was using those balls. What a wild time to be alive. Which was proven wrong, also. That was a witch hunt. I'll have you know this. Just to make sure we're locked in on this 2015. Hey, we need to go camping here. We've talked about it enough. We need to go camping. I don't know if you know this, AJ, but there's football highlights all over the place. If you're able to scroll, if you've got active thumbs, and you're on any social media platform, you're just seeing highlights from the NFL. We were able to gather them, weren't we? We were able to piece them together so that everybody can see all the great plays.

1:37:13Pat McAfee:AJ, isn't that beautiful underneath that yarmulke you've been thinking, hey, I need to see all these things because I might not live on social media. Yeah, I do see a lot of them on social media, but you guys do a great job of compiling them, putting them together. There's new ones every time you look, though. That's the best part about this time of year. And I will say there's new ones coming right before show starts, and we send them in, and Foxy's like, I got a fucking – It's time. Yeah, the entire graphics video department does not love whenever teams have practices at 11.50 and things are coming out.

1:37:42Pat McAfee:It's like, so it's on here and I just put it on the, well, we got to put it through a hole. Yeah, do it. Yeah, put it in there. Yeah, Fox. Well, can I have a drink of water? No, Foxy. Show starts in 10 minutes. We're going camping. We need Terry McLaurin and Buddy Baker talking to each other on the field. Because that tells a story. Buddy Baker's boots on the ground. They just make it happen. Foxy's like, yeah, it's just as easy as that. But we appreciate everybody in the back because the practices are in the morning leading right up to our show. And we try to gather all the highlights. Ladies and gentlemen, let's go camping, shall we?

1:38:14Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. Tony Diggs, let's go camping. Let's go camping, brother. Let's start. Santa Clara. And Santa Clara with the San Francisco 49ers, Christian McCaffrey, running a little ah-ah-ah go route on number 4-6. He looks to be healthy again, Pat. Fingertip grab. Obviously, he flips. Wasn't touched. Could have finished that. You know, defensive guy. Let's put a hand on him when he hits the ground, of course. Probably a young guy. Quads look gigantic. He looks explosive. Hand up right here. Boop, throw his hand up. I got him. As soon as he was A, if he's even, he's even. And he knows that. And Christian McCaffrey still has the burst, clearly.

1:38:50Pat McAfee:What a weapon to be back for the San Francisco 49ers. Everybody's talked about the Niners having a disappointing season last year. That started four days before the season started, whenever we found out that Christian McCaffrey had Achilles tendonitis. And then that jumped from one side to the other side, and then their entire season just never really got off. Now's the time to bet on the San Francisco 49ers, I think. And seeing that, great to see CMC back in full form. Absolutely. Now, banged up at the wide receiver position, but if you have 23 healthy along that offensive line and then their big money quarterback, they are in a good position to succeed.

1:39:23So, yeah, 2-3 making plays at a beautiful sight for 49er fans.

1:39:26Pat McAfee:Big money tight end as well. Obviously, George gets paid this offseason. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, let's head to Giants camp where we saw a full moon. We've seen a lot of full moons. That's Russ Wilson in the classic moon ball to Malik Nabors, who Shreg said is having the camp of all camps. And then what? This is the best. This is the best. What is that? Hey. I think he was cleaning the top of a table. Yes. I think he was dusting off a table. Like there's a table there, and he's dusting it off, I think. Belt to ass. Yeah, a little belt to ass. I thought he was people. No. What do you mean, belt to ass?

1:39:59B-T-A, belt to ass, bend your ass over. Yaga.

1:40:03Pat McAfee:Yaga. Yaga. That's what he was doing? Yeah. Wow, I didn't know that. I thought it was maybe a table. Yeah, he thought he was an elephant. His left hand is up. Stray and wind there. Look at that table. How about the little boy in the back with the thumbs up? Love him. If we could pause on little boy. He just learned how to dust the table and make about the answer. Gotta rewind a little bit. And there he is, little boy in the blue. Loves it. You see him. Hey, thumbs up, Bob. That's good shit, Bob. We want to see more of that, bro. Shout out to the Giants. New era. Mm-hmm. Same regime. Uh-huh. Can they win?

1:40:39Pat McAfee:Malik Neighbors was being put in a conversation with Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Malik Neighbors. Is Terry McLaurin Malik Neighbors? That's what Peter Schrager said. That's right. So that is what Giants fans are saying about Malik Neighbors. They already have him as a top three guy, top four guy. Maybe that is the case. Maybe that happens with it, especially with a day ball offense and Russell Wilson able to do his thing. But Terry McLaurin's been doing it for like 10 years. So we shall see. Hopefully Malik's able to do that. Good highlight out of Russell Wilson. I know Pittsburgh Steelers fans are like, that looks familiar, right?

1:41:10Pat McAfee:Isn't that what you guys were thinking? Listen, for six, seven weeks, he's going to give you incredible NFL football, okay? And then, you know, stuff happens. Let's head up to Cleveland. We got Joe Flacco. Looked like a little bit of an 11-on-11 drill here. Carson Swechinger, the first pick in the second round. A little rookie-on-rookie crime to Dylan Sampson. I don't know if this is a thud drill because he didn't even think about rapping there. Puts Dylan Sampson on his ass. AJ, what do you think about that one, Paul? I thought this was a beautiful play. Watch him scrape over the top. Even if this isn't full stuff, also credit to 4-3, the safety coming down and boxing this pulling line.

1:41:44Look at him. He's going down. He doesn't even blink for a second. I got bounces back two yards.

1:41:49Pat McAfee:And he's on the right shoulder. He forces that right into him. That's great. Hey, that's a good fit there. I think that's what people call that. That's great team defense right there. That's how you play to your leverage. You know where your hopes at. I mean, look, all you need is a shoulder. That's all I got to give you is my shoulder. I'm going to knock you back right here at the line of scrimmage. Beautiful play. I mean, that's what happens. You put on pads and you really start to see the guys that love ball and love contact. AJ, how come not everybody can thump? You know, because there's guys that are like known thumpers.

1:42:14Pat McAfee:Is it like, is it the explosion of people? Like you obviously hard hitter, but there's some guys that are the same size as you, same speed as you, for whatever reason, aren't hard hitters. Like, I don't know if this guy's MO is he's a hard hitter, but there's a chance that like he has lightning in his pads. And there's just some guys on teams that everybody gives a heads up to. Like, hey, this guy's different. This guy hits different. What is it? I don't know. What is it? That's a good question, though. I've never really tried to put my finger on it. Obviously, it's a mentality. First, it starts with a mentality.

1:42:43Some people are just like missiles, and they don't have any thoughts in their head of repercussions. If I go run my skull directly into this pulling lineman, all they know is, I'm going to try to kill this dude and do my job. And they don't think about it. Some people, I think, they measure them a little bit and think, okay, I don't want to get hurt on this, or I don't want to hit this guy full speed. But it's also like a leverage thing. Size doesn't matter. We see guys that are small that are monster hitters. It's all about leverage and pad level, I feel like, coupled with the mentality. It's just, yeah, I don't know.

1:43:12Some people come out of the womb like that. They are just absolute killers. That's what I'm saying. I wonder if more guys are more explosive than others. First guy that comes to my mind is Buda Baker. Like, if you just saw him on the street, you wouldn't think. But he on the field is an absolute assassin. You know, Bob Sanders was a guy, but he was built like he would knock you the fuck out. And then Cam Chancellor, he's a big guy built. So, yeah, it's Earl Thomas. I got to watch Clint Session. What a huge dude, but he would come down later. I used to watch Clint Session. North and south. Yeah, I got it.

1:43:39Bro, Clint, I used to watch film Clint just to watch him kill people.

1:43:42Pat McAfee:Oh, my God. That was Y2J. Y2CJ year. Oh, CJ. Yeah. Chris Johnson or whatever. And third play, Clint Session. Helmet right to Chris Johnson's helmet. I mean, it was – and that was – I had a chance to hang out with Clint a lot for a couple years there. And he's hilarious. You need to understand that that guy is absolutely hysterical. But, like, Plant is like, hey, first quarter, one of these guys got to get one, you know? And it's like that's a weapon to have on your team because everybody on the other team is like, hey, this guy right here is – we need to have hands on this guy. We cannot let him free.

1:44:20Pat McAfee:And it was fun to watch him. But, like, it feels like those guys – like, is this guy one of those guys? Also, I mean, he was a walk-on at UCLA. You go from a walk-on at UCLA to the first pick of the second round. and you're also a guy that knows how to practice and knows how to make splash plays to improve, that's probably a situation there where that helps and happens too. Great for Cleveland that that's happening. He better not touch Jerry Judy. I know that much. Yeah, well, Jerry Judy ain't worried about that. Yeah, exactly. He ain't getting touched. Jerry Judy just did a milk check real quick before we were even talking about that guy.

1:44:47Pat McAfee:Good. He said, excuse me. Another skill, guys that can avoid. Oh, yeah. It's Marvin Harrison, T.Y. Hilton, guys who can – little guys who usually play for a long time. Devontae? I think Devontae does a good job at it as well. AB did a great job at that. Tyreek, I think, does a good job staying out of shit. You know, another guy that does that, we're going to head down to Saints camp. And a great connection to end the year last year, Spencer Rattler, to Rashid Shahid, who is the burner now for the New Orleans Saints early in this camp. We don't know who the starting quarterback is going to be, but we know Rashid Shahid is going to be a playmaker for the Saints team.

1:45:22Pat McAfee:I love a good deep ball. I also love number 22. Awesome. I love them too. Matthew Goldman. He did a lot of shit last year, right, if I recall. We were doing a lot of Rashid Shahid highlights, I think. Very early for them. Great name. Yeah. I can feel the humidity through this footage. I know. Very hot. Have you seen the Tyler Shuck stuff? Because I did want to know. Didn't throw the football. Yeah. What happens, especially for you, D-Butt? He won't throw the football, I guess. I just saw three. Once again, we can't judge everything. But, yeah, it's seven on. Is this the rip right here? There's four or five of them, I think.

1:45:51It's good defense, man. Watch him pass everything off. Oh, yeah. We're talking shit. Throw the ball! Hold on. How about this? Gain of two, bitch. That's not a game.

1:46:04Pat McAfee:First two downs, that's a gain of four. We got third and medium. We're in a good spot. That's smart football. They have three of these they posted. The person that posted was like, this guy won't throw the ball, basically. He's a veteran. He's a little bit older guy. He played a lot of football in college. Obviously, he's with Braum. Braum, obviously, great quarterback coach and everything like that. But it does feel like some of these young guys I'm not saying they weren't – that wasn't glue coverage. I'm not saying that wasn't the case. They look like Gary Payton. There's a glove out there. You know, a bunch of islands.

1:46:33Pat McAfee:But I think a lot of these young quarterbacks, there is a little bit of a hesitancy to throw because you don't know, hey, that's open. You've got to throw that now. You've got to throw that now, which is what we're seeing from young quarterbacks, more specifically here at Tyler Show. You've got to let it rip, and that's what practice is for. You know, if you throw it – because it's all about timing in the NFL. You can't wait for guys to get open. You've got to throw guys open. And then another thing you learn as a quarterback in the NFL, incompletions aren't terrible just throw it away and line up again because scrambling like that's not realistic we're not getting better with that type of rep as a defense nobody with no with no line with no rush if there's a real rush out there and you scramble and you make time that's one thing but no rush you're doing that throw the damn ball yeah listen to the entire defense talk shit to that kid would have been fun but i don't know if they're talking shit down new orleans it's 150 degrees yeah too hot kellen moore one kellen moore went out the first day to speak And it was my first time really hearing him as a head coach.

1:47:24Pat McAfee:And, you know, I think back to Boise State, kind of same era here, young head coach. Him talking to that crowd, we like that it's hot. We really like that this is hot. He said the first thing he said. And I was like, that sounds like a guy that did not fully prepare for how fucking hot it was. They started moving that training camp to West Virginia. West Virginia hot as shit. West Virginia, very hot, especially in the summer. They started getting out of there for a while. I couldn't imagine a training camp down in Louisiana. Think about the high school kids that play down there in Louisiana. Seriously.

1:47:59Like, was Arch down there?

1:48:01Pat McAfee:Sure was. Oh, was he? I didn't know. So he's been through a Louisiana training camp his whole life. I mean, he's in Texas already, though, so it's not as if – I mean, Texas gets up to 120 in the summer anyway. Yeah, so he's got that just natural. Yeah. He does. Grit. who do you think is going to be better this year between DJ Lagway, Arch Manning I have a hard time picking against Arch, I really do me too, now DJ Lagway last year with Florida dog, and I did a little more research because D-but I love Arch Manning that's what he's doing that's what he's doing that is what he's doing No, no, no.

1:48:44He's been – he's waited his turn. He's been in the meetings. He's taken practice reps. He's got a great offensive coach. He will be surrounded by great talent. If you're asking me, just like you asked AJ that same question, this year I'm going with Lagoy. All right. Hey, listen. That's okay. I think they'll both be great, but I will pick probably Lagoy this year and then a kid from South Carolina. I think those guys will probably be the top two guys.

1:49:04Pat McAfee:I think Lenore Sellers is number one in everybody's eyes, I think even for the NFL next year. But Aaron's brother, Jordan, came out from SEC media days. I think he said, like, Arch is like the sixth or seventh best quarterback. This is all overhype. He really said that. Yeah, in the SEC. In the SEC. In the SEC. And I was like, holy shit. And then D-Butt comes in. I got Lagway over it. I'm like, are we talking about the same guy right now? Lagway's a guy. Bro, Arch highs Manning. That's how I see it happening. That is literally how I see it taking place. But I think my, and this might be just because of my relationship with the family, it's like this boy, this boy.

1:49:49Pat McAfee:Prince of the Promise. Just like Peyton and Eli were. There's videos of Peyton and Eli whenever they're just little boys in Gatorade commercials and shit like that. Like, hey, these guys were created to be professional football players. And that's the whole thing, not just on the field and how you throw a ball and all that. How you interact with teammates, how you lead, how you show up, how you work. It was like they've been – Arch has been going to Manning Passing Academy since he's four years old. So in my eyes, hearing Jordan Rodgers say that he's going to be the sixth or seventh best quarterback in the SEC, I'm like, I don't know.

1:50:19Pat McAfee:Man, I didn't even think of that. I didn't even think of that. I just thought Arch is going to win a national championship with Texas this year. He's going to win the Heisman. Like that is literally just how I view the Manning operation. He's a better athlete too than the other ones that we saw before.

1:50:32Jeff Passan:I mean, that's like you said, the amount of talent he's going to have around him at Texas.

1:50:37Pat McAfee:There's going to be some wide receiver that we've never heard of that is going to run 4-1 this year somehow at Texas. And Sarkeesian's offense is all of it. And also, once again, close to the situation. Have literally known Arch and seen Arch since he's like little boy in this entire thing. He got knocked the fuck out against Ohio State. No questions asked. Knocked out. Up. Right back at it. He's at the cookout. He's at the cookout. And then he's losing his student ID. Multiple times. Hanging with the boys. First week. It's like, this guy is a Manning. Like, this is literally Manning football.

1:51:09Lightweight battle, too, last year. Yeah, he made the boys' fault for Napier last year. I agree. I can't wait to watch. That's why they got to play the game. Coming out, I think they were the two highest-rated quarterbacks of, like, the last 20 years.

1:51:19Pat McAfee:And then Nussman down there in LSU. Yeah, Nussman. I was talking about him. Texas also has the what? Diego Pavia. Diego Pavia is obviously a dog. So, I didn't, but whenever Aaron's brother said that, George, I was like, I was literally mind-blown while I was watching it. And then you came in, like literally a day later, I got lag way over Arch. I'm like, am I? Well, you asked the question. Am I completely misreading this? Well, 5-Bomb said he was the greatest quarterback since. We don't need to hear that. The preseason voting as far as first team, second team, third team in the SEC went Sellers, Nussmeyer, and then Arch.

1:51:56Pat McAfee:Hey, first two words of that sentence. Say it again. 5-Bomb said. Never do that again on this show. Appreciate that. Okay, let's go. camp here as we got one. Yeah, let's go camp. Let's go out to Arizona. We got Buckeye on Buckeye crime one-on-ones. We got Marvin Harrison Jr. We had Neighbors on earlier. This was his 10 wide receiver draft pick from last season. He's looking buff. He's looking good. A big second season for Marvin Harrison Jr. probably coming here. A lot of shit being talked about, Marv. A lot of shit being talked about, Marv, because of how it went. I think Arizona Cardinals in general have underwhelmed a lot of people.

1:52:28Pat McAfee:I think they're primed for a big breakout year. And also, if we're going to stay in the West Coast, don't be scared of the Raiders. Listen, don't be scared to take the Raiders, I'm saying. You should be scared of the Raiders. Pete Carroll, I'll put a little pressure on the permanent turners. We're not covering Don. We're not blocking. We're not doing the entire thing. These guys need to feel a little athleticism in their face. Let's see who's got it, who doesn't. This dude's 100 years old. Look at him. Proper leverage. Get him the sideline. There's a white here that's returning in about a second, and he shakes the shit out of Pete Carroll.

1:52:57Pat McAfee:And I don't know how Pete didn't fall, right? Ooh. Did not fall.

1:53:01Jeff Passan:Okay.

1:53:01Pat McAfee:That's an 80-year-old, right? How old is he?

1:53:03Jeff Passan:Yeah, like at 78 or something. Yeah, he's like very – how does he not fall?

1:53:09Pat McAfee:And then he's spinning it. They got him spinning it, throwing like 30 yards still. Pete Carroll might be in the best shape of any 70-plus human on this earth. He's a dog. And he's not scared to talk his shit. Hey, for 20 years, I've won 10-plus games. We're going to win here. I believe it. I mean, the energy is immaculate, and the Raiders could be all the way back. Don't look now. The Raiders might not be shite. All right, we continue on YouTube and everywhere else. We'll see you tomorrow. From Pittsburgh, goodbye. We're in the trope. Yeah.

1:53:41Jeff Passan:This ain't different. From Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers training. Late trope. How far is late trope from Pittsburgh? Depends where you're at. An hour from downtown, 45 minutes from Plum where we grew up. Okay.

1:53:51Pat McAfee:Yeah. East Hill is where we are. You know, because there's so many different. We'll be able to navigate traffic. D-Bot, you ever go to any camps as a kid? We're not going to be anywhere near Pittsburgh. No. No Dolphins camp or anything? No. Never. It's too hot in Florida in August to go watch a practice outside. I don't know.

1:54:07Jeff Passan:Really anywhere. Yeah, right now. South Florida. It's pulling off, though. Absolutely not. Yeah, Thursday is what I've been told is when it starts.

1:54:15Pat McAfee:The rain yesterday, pretty real. Yeah, and then it got real muggy. Yeah, and then it was greenish last night. Did you see that? The sky? Yeah. Yeah, the sky the last two nights has been insane. Yeah, green. Like tornado-y feel almost when I'm looking outside, but it's at the sunset time, so I'm like, is this sunset or is this like tornado-y feel? I think we had some wind. I think I had a tree limb that fell out on the... It's like Indiana, though. You can literally... Any moment can fucking... You can get 60, 70 mile an hour winds out of nowhere. Or you can get a full torrential downpour out of nowhere.

1:54:46Pat McAfee:I mean, that's classic Midwest football right there. But it's been hot everywhere, dude. I couldn't imagine. No. Oh, my God. How much hotter are the Guardian caps? The Guardian caps feel like it would make me much hotter in my helmet. Because you can't breathe. The helmet can't breathe. What if you had a guardian cap and a visor? You're just living in a sauna right there. That's bad. That'd be awful. Yeah, the visor, I know it looks cool. The having to. Did you have a visor? You were a visor guy there. Oh, yeah, always. Yeah, you looked very cool. Had to. Did you ever get used to it, D-Butt? It was weird.

1:55:21Did you ever get used to it? I tried it for like one practice in college, and just like the angle of the lens was just weird for me to see. Yeah, obviously, and fog. Yeah, no, the Oakley ones were always good. I never liked the other one. I tried a Nike one when they first came out because I think we kind of had to, but I just stuck with Oakley, just had to black out the O. But, yeah, Oakley's never let me down.

1:55:39Pat McAfee:I put a visor on for a training camp practice, and it didn't reach all the way down to where my – The bar. So I had like a – They changed the helmets. Yeah, I had like a – Nice little space. Hold on. Sick. It was actually pretty distracting because the ball was going from shade to – A dark visor? Yeah, a dark visor. Yeah, for sure. For practice. Like Peyton's? Frog, put it on. Yeah, put it on. I need a visor today. I think it would be hilarious. I'll walk out there with it. It was. It was. But it was not good for my profession. Bad day of practice. Bad day. The suit with a dark body. You know, with that hair?

1:56:15Yeah.

1:56:16Pat McAfee:Especially with his big lug head that he has. Did you ever have guys go out and warm-ups in the NFL with a sweet, like, mirror visor, a real dark tint, and then obviously make the poor training staff take it off and put a clear one on the game? I love you saying the poor training staff because that was like some guys go flex this and practice. What? Cleats, socks, visor. And then what are you going to wear for the game? Yeah, I got to change it all for the game. It's like, well, who's doing that? Clements, Seth. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. They got nothing else going on. No, no, no. Hey, can you change these 10 visors because we're not allowed to wear those in the game?

1:56:52Pat McAfee:But they looked sweet in warm-ups. I think they need to just let any visor go. Yeah. It's a medical thing. Yeah, you got to see their eyes. Yeah, exactly. You got to see your eyes. So you can get, obviously, the medical exemption. Oh, that's why? So if you get knocked out, they can look at your eyeballs and see if you're there? Yep. We could get around that. Yeah. We could cut your visor off with a little scissors or something. A skill saw. Or just a blip, blip. Because I think you can just take a face mask off. Mason Rue. Or if the guy's just knocked out dead unconscious, we know. Whether he has a visor on it or not, I can kind of tell.

1:57:32No, it's a stinger. Yeah, stinger. He has a shoulder athlete. I got to go out one play. Oh, man. Full body. Yeah. Arms up in the air, too. Deep butt after Thielen. Yeah. No, after Raiders running back. Stinger. Try not to stumble. You can't stumble. Yeah, you got to get up. Yeah, take your time. Stinger. Get on the knee. You got to get on the knee for a second. If you stumble, you got to jog it off like you're in the airport and you hit that real slippery floor. You've seen that Edelman-Amandola thing. Oh, yeah.

1:58:04Pat McAfee:Shoulders. Bye. Can we get a timeout? Can we get 30? My fucking stinger. You were dead two seconds ago. Nah, double stinger. My arms couldn't. Trying to figure out which other. They want to move too quickly. You go over there and they start doing it. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, it's good. It's just cramp. Must have been a cramp. Hydration. Need to get back out there. Yeah, that was one good teammate. Shout out E-Wall. Shout out E-Wall. This motherfucker's dead. We're not putting him back out there. He said he has a stinger. He's not a fucking stinger. The guy had his eyes closed. What, 45 seconds out here?

1:58:39Pat McAfee:Literally thought we had to get a fucking body bag for the guy. There's no idea what play we're running right now. Diva, get your fucking ass out of here. Stinger. All right. See you later. Does that still happen? Are guys still fighting through stuff like that? I hope. Yeah. I would think so, yeah. I hope. It's not good, obviously. I mean, we saw it during college. If I'm building a team, if I'm an owner, I mean, we just talked about our trick there, literally. My team, I would like guys to say it's stingers if they get knocked out. With that being said, I would like us to have good eyes to make sure that that does not Yeah, exactly.

1:59:17Pat McAfee:We need a couple unaffiliated neurological Unaffiliated. Those unaffiliated people should be former players. He said it was Stinger. He said it was Stinger. Go back here. Oh, yeah. Coaches also are supposed to do that. That's the unks job. So, I would like to say if I was an owner, I would invest in unks. Okay? But I would be looking for players that would be trying to lie to the unks. That is the goal. Colts got one, too. I mean, I've never seen anyone hit their head as hard as Tyler Warren on the sideline in the Orange Bowl. Oh, my God. In my life. So cold. That was nasty. The back of his head.

1:59:53And it was on the tarped area, a little to the left of the sideline. Yeah, he was back in the game. I thought he was done for the entire game. He was back in the game two plays later. Jackson Dart, we talk about him against Florida, right? Is that who it was? Against Florida. Clearly.

2:00:08Pat McAfee:Speculation, yep. Will Howard. Will Howard gets knocked out right back in. Michigan, yep. Riley Leonard, actually, in that same game against Penn State. Early. Got de-cleated. Peanut butter and jelly came in. Yeah. The one-minute 20 drive before the half. Steven and jelly. Yeah.

2:00:24Jeff Passan:National championship, too, Riley Leonard, after that 17-play drive. He was very tired. He was going to puking on the sideline and just like, you know.

2:00:31Pat McAfee:Yeah, so I think yes. Nico? What we're saying is yes. Nico Iamale, I have a three helmet. He was on his third helmet. He broke two helmets against you guys in that entire thing. That old situation is weird. The Nico situation. Yeah.

2:00:45Jeff Passan:Big showcase game. First week of the season, Saturday night, 11 p.m. against Utah. Oh. The Utes are tough. Always going to be tough.

2:00:53Pat McAfee:But it is at the Rose Bowl as opposed to being in front of the biggest. The must. Mighty Utah Student Center. Mighty must. I thought it was the biggest us. I thought it was a bus.

2:01:03Jeff Passan:Or if Coach Whittingham is going to ride his motorcycle to L.A.

2:01:07Pat McAfee:It'd be a great ride from Utah to L.A. Try to hop right over there to get on the Pacific.

2:01:12Jeff Passan:Yep. PCH. There it is.

2:01:14Pat McAfee:Coast Highway. Oh, my God. My wife posted a photo of us from like six years ago. We're on a bike. That was such a good time. You know, if they could take care of these fucking roads, it would be nice to get back on that motorcycle. Yes, it would. You know? There's people riding in Indiana, and I'm like, at red lights, I'm rolling it down. I'm like, so are you just looking the whole time? Yeah, absolutely. Straight down like this? Just trying to avoid these trenches that we have across the streets around here? I mean, even when Kyle Larson came in, and he had a McLaren. It's like, how do you drive a car like that in Indiana?

2:01:52It would just get ruined. How many tires did you burst on your way here?

2:01:56Pat McAfee:Two? Just two? Yeah. These streets have, I think everybody's gotten, right? They've gotten all of us. They've gotten me two tires. I think my...

2:02:07Jeff Passan:Yeah, I mean, yeah. Tesla got one.

2:02:09Pat McAfee:I think when I had a Tesla, I got one.

2:02:13Jeff Passan:Well, who's... Nobody saw you, bud. Your Bentley was just sitting in the parking lot with a flat tire. Yeah. Yeah. Doc's had 12 flat tires.

2:02:22Pat McAfee:He doesn't know it, though. This guy's rolling around on his rims. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. On the escalade? On the sweet escalade? Yeah, I walked outside. He's giving me a real run. Yeah, we haven't figured tires out. Driving with a cube as a tire. 2025, how are we still getting flat tires? Did you see the alien spray? Alien spray? Mm-hmm. What is that? I did not. I think you sprayed in all the tires. You're good. Good to go. It's the new... Boom. Flex Seal. It's the new Flex Seal. I do fix-a-flat in my tires all the time. They're always leaking, so yeah, I jam it in there. Yeah, I'm not scared to do a little fix-a-flat.

2:02:57Pat McAfee:I think the Alien spray is what we need to go to next. I saw a lady just spraying it into the sky to showcase the bottle. I don't know what it sealed up, but certainly something. It really worked. I saw somebody driving a car through a pot or maybe a... No, the Flex Seal was the boat. The boat. Spray the whole...

2:03:13Jeff Passan:Oh, yeah. The screen. You remember that? Slice the bottom out of the boat and then Flex Seal it all back up.

2:03:18Pat McAfee:It feels like alien spray is coming for folks. Without a doubt. Look the exact same. Is it as good as a spokesman for that? I didn't know who was doing the alien spray. It's Jim Gator. Jim Gator? Do-it-yourself Instagram influencer. He's awesome. They got Jim Gator? I've got to see this guy. He's awesome. Massive Florida Gator fan. He's usually decked out in blue and orange. I watch his stuff on Instagram. He's great. He fixes everything. Told you. I didn't know it was J-M-G-A-T-O-R. I've seen this guy. He's great. Check out his Instagram page. He's legit. Yeah, amen. Jim Gator. Jim Gator, yeah.

2:03:56Man, I didn't know he went corporate.

2:03:58Pat McAfee:No, he got a deal. He created this. It's not corporate. Man. Look, he went through a fucking car and washed his feet. You see that? That's what he said right there. Still holding up well. You see that? It's totally dry. Totally dry. That's Gator's wife. Is that a Gator fam? Yeah, that's Mrs. Gator. Okay. I might start sealing my gutters and stuff. That's what I'm saying. This is the new Flexo. I just saw this yesterday, and I'll tell you what. Jim Gator sold the shit out of it. Got to wait for the time in the commercial where she's just spraying it into the sky. That's really good, I think. Oh, my.

2:04:26Pat McAfee:Look at that. There it is. There it is. Oh, that's not the sky. That's a screen. Oh, it's a screen. Oh, wow. Oh, I didn't see the rest of that commercial. Got cut off there. Who's this guy? That's Gator Boy. Yeah, one of Gators understudies. That's a young Gator Boy. Little Gator. That's young Gator. Oh, that's Little Gator. That's Little Gator. Speaking of, I think there's an outdated hunt coming up.

2:04:46Jeff Passan:Is there?

2:04:47Pat McAfee:I think so. See you there. You can fill in concrete cracks, too. Oh, wow.

2:04:52Jeff Passan:I actually didn't do that. I mean, I had a lot of Flex Seal. I'm going to have to get some of this, too.

2:04:57Pat McAfee:Did they just get Flex? Take the patent. Patents do run out. Gator wouldn't do that, right? No way. No way. Jim don't care. Flex Seal has tape. They have the rubber stuff. You don't think Jim Gator got tape and rubber? Not yet. Obviously not yet. Jim Gator's like Jordan. You kind of just give him the ball and you tell him to go score. He doesn't have a script. He's just going there. I think he created that alien spray. Huge fan. Back there in the Gator kitchen. What'd you say? No, I thought he was going to put a bunch of water in that bucket after I sprayed it. He did. That was a miss. That was a miss on his part.

2:05:34Pat McAfee:Well, he's just telling you what it could be. Okay. Fucking bucket. It works again. Toss. Yeah. That's what he said. I believe that guy. Nick, so you follow Lagoons, dude? Lucas Lagoons. Lucas Lagoons. You follow Mr. Gator here. He also follows man and old woman from Lucas Lagoons. Okay, so we follow the entire team. Any other random things? French Drain Man. You should follow French Drain Man. He's really good. French Drain Man? French Drain, you know, like perforated pipe. You bury it in the ground, gravel, you put in fabric. Yeah, he does great work all over. Do you follow Frank Moraldo? No.

2:06:15Does he do French drains? He could. It's not as special to you. It's concrete, brother. He could knock one out if need be.

2:06:20Pat McAfee:Yeah, concrete is outrageous. Every once in a while he'll put a video up and you can tell he's fucking proud of what they did. Oh, yeah. Just a scan. He posts it up? He puts it online for everybody? Yeah, it's a great follow. It's a great follow. Good concrete. Good concrete. You know, it's funny you ask, Pat. I was thinking, and recently our friend AP Tone, Tone Diggs, introduced me to this account, SandToe LLC. It's all about cars getting stuck on the beaches. Down in Florida. And they've got a whole tow crew that comes out on the beach. Oh, SandToe, T-O-W. Yes. I didn't know if it was like GoldenToe, like you guys were thinking of.

2:06:57Pat McAfee:No, no, no. It's a great follow-up. They get them out of the sand. Everybody's stuck. It's great.

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2:08:01Pat McAfee:That's smart because we got a lot of beaches around here. So whenever we get stuck in one of those, I'm stuck in one of those. You got a wench on the truck? No, I do not have a wrench, but that's why I got a soft buckle. Of course. You would never understand. We would never understand. Sorry, a soft shackle. Have you seen that Jeep that I bought for$100 ,000 down there in Meco? We'll tow it right after the show. Tow it? Yeah, right. That thing's pulling you, brother. I got things on the front and the back and the side. My truck will pull your Jeep backwards. Your truck will not fucking touch my goddamn Jeep.

2:08:33Pat McAfee:If we're going to strap that thing up, I'm pulling you to another town. Is there a gas in there? No. That thing hasn't been turned on in years. It's ready. It is ready to pull your truck. What was that cafe? My truck. Pull your truck. That was at the dugout in Fountain Square. My truck. Pull your truck backwards. There's my ex-husband. Beat his ass. Two o 'clock in the afternoon. Two o 'clock in the afternoon on a Sunday. On a Sunday. It was the greatest interaction I've ever been a part of in public. Guy pulls up in a big truck. Downtown Indianapolis. Big old truck. One part of a huge truck. It must have been like a 350, it appeared.

2:09:09Pat McAfee:You know, it had big diesel powered as well. Double custom modifications, you could tell. Yeah, you could tell. These guys loved his truck. He did have duals, yeah, the whole thing. He pulls up. His ex-wife, I guess, is there with another guy. Yep. And that guy has a truck, too, I guess. Man, that fucker ain't shit compared to the truck that he had. And then the ex-wife, she was not trying to calm things down. No, no. She didn't want the trucks to fight. She wanted them to fight. What? These videos, is the lady ever trying to calm it down, or is she trying to insert herself at all times? Well, she's trying to fight for her current man, it appears.

2:09:44Pat McAfee:But at that exact moment, I don't think she was trying to fight at all. I think she was trying to get them to go ahead and scrap right there in front of all of us. I mean, the guy got up. He had a backwards hat on cargoes and flip-flops, and he was heading over to that truck to beat her ex-husband's ass. He was ready. The ex-husband actually utilized the power he had under that hood and got out of there. He looked pissed. With that truck, I think there was probably a gun in there. If I had to guess, if he turned around right there, there was probably a couple different options. So I'm happy none of that took place.

2:10:17Pat McAfee:We're just trying to enjoy espresso martini in the afternoon. That was awesome. I wish we could go back to that moment, to just have our phones out filming already so that we could capture the whole thing. I wish more things like that would happen in front of us. Agreed. Anytime I see these things on the internet, like these types of moments, I'm always like, what did I do? It's a shooting star. Why can't you fucking put me in one of these? You get different moments now, better ones, that require you to now build a gate. Oh, yeah. That's a great neighborhood. I'm in a great neighborhood. Yeah.

2:10:51But

2:10:52Pat McAfee:Is it normal for people just to walk and drive through your driveway? Like just, ah, yeah, this is our world. Stand in your yard? Just stand in my yard? Like to turn around your driveway? Not just turn around, just fucking, hey, let's hang out here. Yeah, more so like, hey, let's go hang out. Pretty good view here. Let's take some photos of the house. Then it's a nice house. Holy shit. People are ballsy, yeah. It's private property. The, you know, there's a big fucking sign at the end of the thing. But that's what I thought I was moving into. It's not. That was Bill Goods. I got a park. I run a park, I guess, my house.

2:11:22Pat McAfee:People just come hang out, fucking ride their bikes, park them. Go ahead and fish off my yard. These people get hurt. I'm getting sued for everything. That's the other thing about fishing off the back. They don't have to be in your yard to fish near your place. I mean, what was the light? You had the lights. Oh, yeah. We got night fishing the other night out in the lake. It was awesome. Just had a splunker light on like you did when you were cutting your grass at midnight. Yeah. And he was just spotlighting my house just every time. he was out on a boat or where was he yeah out on a boat anytime he would uh lift his head up you see he was just spotlighting my house you know 11 30 midnight no problem just a spotlight coming in my windows i'm like we're in fucking war right now what what did i get swatted i thought i got swatted go out there nope just so i go out hey man i hope you catch everything you guys are looking for out there can you please stop putting the spotlight in my house you know dogs are going crazy got daughter sleeping uh i hope you catch everything you do whatever the you need to do but if you're gonna do that can you just can you shoot the other side of the can you get down down yeah and go down a little bit i think they caught a lot there's a lot of this was he was the understanding did you fire a few warning shots out there they laughed they laughed they didn't obviously didn't even think about where that light oh good people all these people are good people but it's just like it's nine o 'clock at night why are you just standing in my driveway taking photos of my house you know like is that uh that's weird that feels like yeah yeah but i'm the bad guy for saying king no you're not yeah i am i am next time just remember bryce harper not to any rational human you're not i do maybe need to take a bat out there take a page out of his book get the out of my driveway yeah just the whole thing if you want to talk about salary cap dude Dude rode a bike down this private property.

2:13:13Pat McAfee:I cannot keep saying this enough. Private property where we are at. Long road down to it. Dude rides his bike, parks it in my driveway, kickstand right in front of my house, walks out into my field, lays a blanket down, lays a blanket down in my yard. Wow. Pops out a book, has a glass of wine, living his life. He had to think. So he thought it was like a park? I have no idea. I mean, either way, He thought it was a park or he knew it was your yard. It's a problem. The guy was 55 years old, whatever it was. He was an adult. This was not like a child. Just showed up with a little bag. Fucking let me get some wine, read a book.

2:13:51Pat McAfee:Fucking blanket in my yard. It's impossible to think it's a park, too. You drive by a garage. It's private. Get a paintball gun. That's a whole other thing. I don't want to be a bad neighbor here. And freeze him. Feels like previous owner. He's a little bit older. Definitely frozen if we're shooting him out there. Not going to do that. previous owner of house i think they had kids are older and out of the house so i think they enjoyed potential like but they probably knew them if you know that was different i don't know if they know them to be honest i don't know how you know that many people that are coming through so i move in and it's like they're saying how this goes i got a two-year-old that would like to hang out and also i got a lot of people that say they want to kill me on a regular basis i assume you're not one of the people that wants to kill me of course hopefully are you you're at my house at 11 o 'clock at night standing in my driveway all by yourself taking pictures of my house what are you doing are you planning to do so now i'm it's an interesting dynamic i will say it's an interesting dynamic in this whole world you know it's an interesting thing and uh lucky to do it lucky to have it i don't think people should be having picnics in my yard no probably not just just not if any of them get hurt like that's my my biggest fear is like, oh, this is, and you're going to, now you own them.

2:15:09No, don't worry. Trespassing. With the signs. You're off the hook for stuff like that. Okay.

2:15:15Jeff Passan:I don't know if the city would be okay with it, but you could maybe set up like a sentry gun or something like that. And like at 11 o 'clock, you just turn that thing on. And if somebody, you know, is trespassing out of your yard. Actual. Yeah, yeah. Like a real sentry gun. Do you ever say Congo? Mm-hmm.

2:15:32Pat McAfee:No. oh yeah they set up those sentry guns and and the gorillas came at night for them those gorillas were in for something i don't i also don't want to be that neighbor though you know like i'm gonna it's a i'll tell you my wife does not love it i will say samantha does not enjoy random people just showing up at her house taking pictures of it and hanging out for a while uh a little bit alarming but you know maybe we get used to it maybe yeah maybe we just let them in the house. There you go. Maybe we just open the door.

2:16:02Jeff Passan:Yeah, we got an extra bedroom if you guys want to come in.

2:16:04Pat McAfee:Hey, we happen to live in the same zip code, I guess, so just fucking... Come on in. Come on in. What's mine is yours. Read a book on the couch. And I'm sure you've... I'm sure you're not somebody that hates my fucking guts, in which there are a lot of... Hey, Val and Chuck are great. You need an actual... A Doberman? Yeah. Get a couple of them, yeah. Shepard. I mean, that is real. Absolutely. And they will patrol the property. Yeah. Maybe I get one of those shepherd wolves. That's not a bad idea. Get a Belgian Malinois. That thing will fly out there. Have you seen the video that's been going viral about the difference between a Mal and a shepherd?

2:16:39Yeah, I had both. I've had both of them.

2:16:41Pat McAfee:So you haven't seen the video, though. You just happened to know that they both exist. No, I saw the video. Shepherd went around it, and the Malinois said, shoot, I'm going straight line. Yes, that is exactly right. There was a room full of wheelchairs, chairs and wheels like we have right here. Maybe a hundred of them. somebody in the corner in the back corner and the shepherd like finds a path around the chairs very impressive to get side boom and then they let this mal belgian mal what is it malinois this thing from where it's standing jumps up runs on top of the chairs and just yeah it was insane it was absolutely these are the new dogs i think if any of them were going to smell covid it would have been the mal the belgian not the german dogs great dog german shepherds are great dogs but this belgian one i guess they're a little wired you found both of them you said oh yeah i had yeah i had a belgian mal we got when she was two years old she did all that i had great videos of her doing everything jumping up you know climbing walls biting things it's great they're um are they the dogs that did the dog sports remember whenever they used to do the dock jumping you ever see those oh yeah they don't they can jump but they don't you don't really see those very often in that.

2:17:53They're military dogs. They jump out. They're strapped to dudes jumping out of airplanes and stuff.

2:17:57Pat McAfee:They have night vision goggles on these dogs and just landing out of a parachute. We going this way? Let's do this. Dogs are special. They really are. I feel like greyhounds are usually the ones that are doing those. I don't think so. The running dogs into the water. They are the sprinters. The greyhounds are the sprinters. The greyhounds are huge. They're like the size of horses. Greyhounds are gigantic horses.

2:18:24Jeff Passan:Border collies, I know, are leapers like that.

2:18:27Pat McAfee:Pit bulls, too, right? Aren't pit bulls really good climbers? I think pit bulls have incredible...

2:18:31Jeff Passan:Yeah, they always show those videos. They'll hang something and they'll run off the wall and then get a piece of meat that's hanging down from a deal. Did you send in a dog jumping? No, I found the shepherd.

2:18:43Pat McAfee:The mile. Yeah, this is the video. Let's run this thing. Look at this. We don't have it. Okay, there's the shepherd. Smart. Let's go ahead. I'm going to go get this piece of shit. You're mine. That's good. Here's the mile. And, uh, yep. Boom. Right to you. Jeez. When you talk about blinders on. Yeah. All, literally all that dog saw. What arm am I trying to get? Oh, it's right there. Fuck. Why did, why did George the German go around all these things? He just got right through this. I'm about sick of it. Yep. There we go. Good luck. Sounds like you need to get a couple of them. I do. Yep. I do need them.

2:19:24Be sweet. Yeah, two of them.

2:19:26Jeff Passan:Mm-hmm. Chuck will be jealous. I saw a video. So I already have one, I think. Okay, man, just get the collar on there. Just keep them out there. I saw a video of four dogs in the driveway with this dude's little daughter. And some, not random guy, but one of their friends walks up to the driveway. And all four dogs walked up to him like. What's up, dude? Yeah, it was awesome.

2:19:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, Mackenzie's relationship with our dogs are awesome. Yeah. And cats. Very cool. Her and the cats get along as well. These cats, interesting. I like cats. I like the way they operate. You ever have a cat? I had a few that were outdoor situations for a while. That's it, though. I don't know. Cats kind of scare me, man. I'm skittish around cats. I never grew up with one. Never been around a million until then. Me neither. Me neither. Never been around cats. Teddy, the first cat I've ever been around. Awesome. He's Garfield. He's actually Garfield. Great cat. Great cat. Unbelievable. Fat, huge, fat cat that just has a little pizzazz.

2:20:18Pat McAfee:Has a little pizzazz. We got Nova, who is a street cat. She's awesome. Her and Mackenzie have developed her. And then we got Sebastian, this black cat that is just like, he thinks he's a lion. And when he walks in the room, he would like attention. And if he don't, he will turn his ass around and he will come back. He's like, excuse me, nothing you said, turn around, okay. Then he'll come in, then he'll jump up on a fucking thing that's like six feet high, land on it, hello. and it's like, well, hello, Sebastian. How you doing? And he rubs his head on you. It's like, good to see you. The cats are awesome.

2:20:54Pat McAfee:They take care of themselves. They shit in their own area. They piss in their own area. They got their own little water thing. I respect them. I have a ton of respect for them. I don't know. Just how sharp their teeth are and how small their mouth is and their claws. I'm never that comfortable. You've never been around them? Not much, but it creeps me out a little bit. So they also, when they get really happy, they start rubbing their paws like this. Maybe, yeah. I've never been around a happy cat. All these cats are happy. They're fat as fuck. The amount of cat-tiny. They stay to there for themselves.

2:21:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, Scootsie, we have a three-legged cat. She's awesome. She's great. That back thing's like a little... She's flying around. You give them a little catnip, though, it's a show. They go crazy. They'll start... Middle of the night, it'll sound like we're in a goddamn jungle book. Or what was the... What was that movie Robin Williams was in? Jumanji. Jumanji. night at the museum maybe that is what it's like whenever they're all running oh yeah these four cats every once in a while they'll sync up on what run they're going to do through the house and it sounds like a fucking stampede is coming into the bedroom like they are all running together and we have uh hard hard floors and they are all on it and they're all striding i mean like fucking striding out and then one of them will have a rough stop you know normally scoots because She's three-legged, but she's in front of it, and they will slide right into a wall.

2:22:16Pat McAfee:Boom. And then you hear her, and then everybody checks on them, and then they head out to a new place. They're like a leader amongst them? Sebastian. Sebastian's the leader. He's the fastest. Nova, I think, is probably the biggest dog out of all of them. Nova would attack. Street cat. Best-looking cat, too. Nova is a very pristine cat. Do they hang out together? All of them? yeah like do they like sleep near each other and stuff so sebastian and scootsy friends teddy and nova the older ones kind of get along teddy teddy's not really about the shit teddy you know if he's running with him i know he's either pissed off or uh they are chasing him like he is not really a part of the group but nova was in a dumpster at a steak and shake uh and my wife stopped late night at the steak and shake and just opened the door and she just jumped in and it was like well you're my cat now and she would she we had a dog uh that we were when you're like watching it and gonna give it away what's foster fostering like a dog and the dog like uh got mad at valerie our dog and valerie got mad hurt too i don't think valerie liked this dog in the house so like valerie and this dog kind of get into it a little bit and i have to like separate them and i come back and nova is like hair up at that dog and i'm like what the fuck are you going to do Nova?

2:23:40Pat McAfee:She starts circling the dog and I'm like oh Nova would fuck maybe die here but she was at least going to fight for it. So I think they have a little dog in them as well. I've been very impressed with my cat life that I've had with Sam. I don't know how many more you know like we have four cats that's a lot of cats. A couple of them old. Are they just know to go in the litter box? Is that how it works? Yeah every once in a while Teddy though would just drop a dump somewhere. That's Teddy. I think you He could have more than four. Bill has 15, and he's allergic to them. He uses them as a blanket every night.

2:24:14I don't think he uses them as a blanket.

2:24:15Pat McAfee:I think they're holding him down on the bed. That could be that. So that's a little different. 15? I mean, every week he gets a new one. And they're all starved. Someone's got to eat the bones. They're not all starved. That's not what. Let's get out of here. We're in Pittsburgh tomorrow. Come join us. Sorry. We're in a late trope. Late trope. Should be fun. Cast of a lot, I think, coming through from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cannot wait to chit-chat with them. Had some ex-players reach out to us about being on the show. Don't think we're doing that this year. 2025 training camp. Just going to be talking to a lot of the current operation.

2:24:48Pat McAfee:Will be great to see whoever's up there, though. For sure. Cannot wait to see everybody up there. Maybe not good. It looks like practice right now is being potentially rained out, stormed out. So today was first day of pads, which is normally when they do backs on backers and first and goal lines, stuff like that. So potentially we might get to see that tomorrow. right after our show ends, they're right into practice. That'd be good. That's a perfect setup for us. As soon as the show ends, we just get to go watch practice. That's a pretty ideal setup. Then we head over to Canton for the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Thursday.

2:25:21Pat McAfee:We'll be there. Come join us. You can park right on the highway, I think. Yeah, legit. You can tailgate on the highway that's right outside of it, and I think you'll be able to –

2:25:31Jeff Passan:Our set's like on the exit, right? so like you're proven you're all you're good do you know that i have no idea there where

2:25:38Pat McAfee:so i've been there yeah i mean it's it's right off the highway no question i did not know that it was that close i mean it is it's 10 feet in front of where this photo is is there there's a highway so i think we will we we are pumped and honored to get to go over there i've never walked through the hall of fame have you aj i've never walked through i've been there multiple times for kids games, you'll see there's a ton of turf fields over there in the back. They have tournaments, but I've never actually walked through it. I love that the Hall of Fame is like an Ohio thing. It's Ohio High School plays there.

2:26:11Pat McAfee:There's a bunch of kids tournaments that's happening there. I think the people that run it are Ohio people. It's like great state of football, Ohio. To run the Pro Football Hall of Fame, we cannot wait to get over there and experience it. Legitimately cannot wait to experience it. I've never been in. No, never. Me either. Never been in. We were supposed to play a game, Eric. I'll cancel. I remember that. you're playing the packers and they painted the fields and they got all mushy and solid right the paint well it wouldn't much worse than a paint well what else it was paint and then they put a tarp over top of it and then i think they put a massive magnifying glass above it as well dry it out so that the sun would hit the magnifying glass and then it would do science and then somehow that was just on all of the paint in the entire field so it's just you know paint then whenever they lifted it it got air and it cooled off so it hardened sure so that was good you know that happened they forgot the catalyst for sure happened at the shipyard all the time no one would say they did it wrong what the anti-melt catalyst no so the catalyst if it's a two-component paint, the catalyst is what makes it go hard.

2:27:22And sometimes guys would forget to put that in, and that would make it stay soft.

2:27:26Pat McAfee:Oh, so then the heat would only melt it even more, and then whenever you up it and get wind on it and everything, then that's when it melts. And you would never find a painter who would admit that they didn't put the catalyst in. No, of course, because the painter's the smartest motherfucker in that particular conversation. Always.

2:27:42Jeff Passan:Are you a painter? You do the Hall of Fame? How many times you've done this? Exactly. Okay. Get the fuck out of here. I know what I'm doing.

2:27:51Pat McAfee:The sod father. Imagine them talking to the sod.

2:27:53Jeff Passan:Hey, what happened with the... Have you ever... Shut up. We're all in the same room. I've been doing this for 70 years. How long have you been on the gig? We saw the son. The sod son. At the Elf Star game.

2:28:04Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. And they said, hey, there's a little bit more to that story. We don't talk about that. No. We literally got a hush. It had an impact on the game. It had an impact. Sodfather, though, did a lot of great things for football for a long time. People were saying, did he lose his magic at the end? And then he was saying, they didn't even let me do it, though. Bull! Kind of stolen Valor, kind of using my name, but not really letting me do anything. I would have done a little different. And the other guy said, what? We did what?

2:28:31Jeff Passan:We did exactly what he told us to do.

2:28:34Pat McAfee:Which goes right back to... Yeah. How long have you been doing this? Oh, okay. Class of 2025 for the Hall of Fame. Going to celebrate the shit out of them this weekend, starting on Thursday night. All these guys will join us in the first hour. Congrats to Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Antonio Gapes, and Sterling Sharp, Gapes, Jesus. Antonio Gates, sorry. Kent State legend. When I went on my visit to Kent State, there was an entire shrine, basically, too. That's sweet. He was so good at basketball. Pretty close game, I think. So good at football. Unbelievable. Obviously, Phillip Rivers just retired like four days ago, five days ago.

2:29:09Pat McAfee:Congrats to him on an incredible career. And congrats to Antonio Gates and Sterling Sharp. He's going in. I know Shannon's been pitching for a long time for him.

2:29:16Jeff Passan:He's unbelievable. First football jersey I ever had was Sterling Sharp. If he would have played, his career got ended way too soon by injury. But, God damn, he was good. He was so good.

2:29:26Pat McAfee:We've never talked to Sterling Sharp. We've never talked to Antonio Gates.

2:29:30Jeff Passan:No, I don't think so.

2:29:31Pat McAfee:Or Eric Allen. Nope. Jared Allen will be last in the first hour because we know Jared Allen pretty good. And congrats to Jared Allen being Hall of Famer. Certainly worthy. Will he have a horse out there? There's a lot of horses in Ohio, right? He will. Oh, I think he will definitely have a horse. He's very comfortable on that fucking horse. Oh, yeah. You see that retirement video? Mm-hmm. Where he was – I mean, it was. I assume he does a speech from it. Yeah, that rope and sack celebration wasn't gimmick. Yeah, Orlovsky said, you're not getting me. I'm going to rope myself. He did. He just ran around.

2:30:05Pat McAfee:Yep. He did. You think Jared Allen talks about that in his speech? I hope so. You think he says, I like to thank Dan Orlovsky? Keep me relevant every single day. People understand how intimidating of a person I was on the field because they see you sprint your ass off right out of the back of that end zone every other day during the football season. Dan Orlovsky gets that tweeted to him every other day. That's crazy. Dan Orlovsky says, I don't know if this quarterback is in the same league as these other guys. And everybody, oh, is that right, fucking Dan? What happened here? Tough spot. Every day, Dan.

2:30:38Pat McAfee:Tough spot. Lost that game by two points. Oh, no. Yeah, but that would have went to overtime, and who knows. Yeah, you guys won two games that year. Yeah, you guys lost a lot of games by a lot of points. They were really bad then. Well, that's not quite a chance. Yeah, Dan Orlovsky was your QB. We know you were bad, okay, folks? What's that all about? That's your game. Dan O takes a lot of shots. I don't like that. He does, and he just stands right in there. He just stands right in there. He does talk reckless, though. He says some things. He says some things that are pretty out of pocket. I think he's like the perfect depiction of like, yeah, I have an opinion.

2:31:14Just as, you know, just in general.

2:31:17Pat McAfee:Hey, you want to talk? Yeah, I have an opinion. Hey, you might not know a lot about this particular situation. You want to? Yeah, I do. I know a bunch about it. Dan, if Dan talks about it, Dan knows about it. I think he's done his research that has led him to how he feels. And every once in a while, everybody's going to disagree with him. That's why they're paying him big bucks. That's why he got a new deal done.

2:31:39Jeff Passan:Exactly.

2:31:39Pat McAfee:Ten sub-tweets later, Dan Orlovsky Back with the SQA Big bucks, Dan I'm pumped for Dan What a career Yeah, he's good, man Legitimately Yeah I'm fucking pumped for him He started just breaking down Remember back in the day When he would just break down plays Like on his phone He'd throw himself Yeah, on Twitter Yeah, we remember Yeah, we remember Dan Called him Falling asleep in the first fucking Ten seconds of your shit You need to do something He's gotten really good at that

2:32:05Jeff Passan:Yes

2:32:05Pat McAfee:He's very good I would say Dan Orlovsky Very good on TV Right? I think we all say that. Absolutely. Yes. I don't ever say that about a lot of people. Us included. It's like, Dan's very good at TV. Whenever he sits down and they fucking throw one in there. All right. Is this going to be a war with everybody? Or is this going to be like a, you know what? I didn't think of that. That's Dan Orlovsky. Yep. This guy fucking ran out of the back of the end zone. Or, thank you, Dan, for saying what we're all thinking. And that's literally minute to minute, I think, for Dan Orlovsky. That's take to take.

2:32:38Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. Show to show. Yeah, minute to minute maybe. Because somebody else can add in something. Oh, yeah, I forgot. And then he just ruined everything. You'll see him give a little bias towards people he's friends with. Sure. You don't like Arthur Smith? You don't like Arthur Smith's offense? Something. It does, doesn't it? I feel like there's something there. How's Aaron and Arthur going to get along? Two strong personalities in the middle of the season. I guess we'll see. That's what Dan O's take was on the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean, I assumed the OC job came down to Arthur and Dan O. And so he just.

2:33:07for the Steelers. So, of course, he has a grudge. It makes sense to me. There's a chance that the Steelers were going to hire

2:33:13Pat McAfee:Dan Orlovsky as the offense coordinator.

2:33:18This goes in.

2:33:19Pat McAfee:Dan Orlovsky's next offense coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ten years from now.

2:33:26Pat McAfee:This goes in. Dan Orlovsky's the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Goes Carr, Tomlin, Orlovsky. Law pressure. Come on, you got this.

2:33:42Thank God.

2:33:45Pat McAfee:Tony. Oh, sorry. Thank gosh. Let's do the Colts next. All right. I like what Shane Steichen's cooking. Don't you? I love it. What's this for? This is for Dan Orlowski to be the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts 10 years from now. Okay. Four Super Bowls from now. Before that. When the job opens. 10, 15 years from now, after four Super Bowls by Shane Steichen and this Indianapolis Colts team, Dan Orlovsky announced as the new head coach of the Colts. This goes in. Oh, shit. I thought that was it. It looked good. It looked good. Oh, my God. All right, let's do the New England Patriots. Yes. Fred was going to be there for 20 years.

2:34:31Let's be real.

2:34:31Pat McAfee:Okay, so when that's over. Okay. Whoa, okay. Coach Orlovsky. You'd say, hey, Coach O, You would actually, new tattoo. Yeah. Coach Orlovsky. Every fudging day. Bingo. I said that yesterday. That's the one. We're going to show up. Maybe on the forearm. Yesterday, today, tomorrow. Dan Orlovsky. Dan Orlovsky. Every fudging day. Uh-oh. Wow. Congrats. Yes. He's coming home to New England. Yep. Yep. I'm going to kill myself. why on that note let's get out of here don't say that don't do that i can't do that so it's about 20 years from now so i still got plenty of time yeah just like the mlb just like mlb has plenty of time for this new cba that's right december of 2026 that's right does jet know that's next year that's pretty close yeah and these deals can get done early yeah nba does it early damn near every time.

2:35:37Pat McAfee:The NHL too, right? Didn't the NHL get it done early? I don't know if the NFL will ever get it done early. Do we even have somebody to negotiate one of these? No. Is the NHL last league the missing year? Yeah, and it killed them. They were dead for like four or five years. It really killed the league. And MLB had a work stoppage, right, Wend?

2:35:55Jeff Passan:Yeah, mid-90s. 94, I believe.

2:35:57Pat McAfee:That's what he said. The 94 World Series changed because players opted out of playing or whatever. It's like they've had a work stoppage and that kills... It kills. The diehards will be there on the other side. Like, I think. The diehards will be there on the side. They'll be jaded. They'll be pissed. But they'll be there on the other side. It's like everybody else gets just like, oh, fuck off. Basically. Like, that's how people. We got billionaires and millionaires fighting each other. And they're going to take. Fuck these people. Is how, like. The majority. Casuals feel. That is how. Absolutely.

2:36:25Pat McAfee:That's like when the XFL guys came out. We're holding out. It's like, shut the fuck up. that is literally how everybody feels i'm not that is not me speaking to you directly that is just an immediate reaction to you whenever you say that and it's like dwayne johnson probably thought the same thing yeah i mean you know he wouldn't say but it's like the fans thought it and probably the league thought it and that thing kind of ended quickly too you know i think somebody was like hey you're the 150th best quarterback in the united states of america that is why you're here let's go ahead and shut the fuck up and just be happy that we're playing football for a living that is what a casual person says and i will say as somebody who is a very normal casual person i didn't watch because of that like i legitimately you guys think you lost friend of ours 30 million dollars last year and then you're gonna tell him we need a little more money why don't you fucking complete a pass why don't you look like a quarterback so we can have a league here before we worry about how much money same thing with the WNBA, as soon as that comes out, casuals, and I'm not saying they care about casuals at all.

2:37:29Pat McAfee:I don't think they do. But let's just say they care about casuals for a second and not hate casuals that watch their league. As soon as casuals hear that, it's like, okay. Well, not going to tune into this. Let's just move along. The work stoppage thing, not good. For sports fans. Like that is just not the case. But the players got to do what the players got to do. And I think the owners feel the exact same way. So it's just kind of like dog chasing tail situation. And you just got to hope both sides want to get a deal done. But I'll tell you what, if both of them are grabbing bats and telling each other to get the hell out of the clubhouse, I don't know, brother.

2:38:02Pat McAfee:I don't know how that's going to go over there.

2:38:04Jeff Passan:And that's a good start, though. If guys like Bryce and Aaron Judge and Shohei, if they're the ones who are really leading that charge, being like, fuck you guys. I mean, those are the biggest stars in the league. That's why the NBA, because for the longest time, their biggest stars were on the executive committee of the PA. How do you think the fans feel? I think it's tougher in the NFL and MLB because, like you said, we look— Oh, you said the MLB right there. Yeah, I mean, in that context. And I also don't care. If you want to come at me for that, you can suck my dick. So, you know, it's like, yeah, it's just, I don't give a shit.

2:38:42Jeff Passan:That was a little aggressive. Well, you know.

2:38:43Pat McAfee:I mean, it could, I guess.

2:38:44Jeff Passan:Yeah, sometimes you have to. But, like, hockey, we see those contracts. These guys are making, like, the best players are making, like, $8 to$9 million a year. Like, it's a little bit different in football and baseball when you see guys that have$750 million contracts. So, I think even, like, some of the most diehard fans are like, you guys make enough fucking money. Like make some concessions so we don't lose a season. But then you can see it from those guys' perspective. It's like a guy like Judge or Bryce Harper. It's like, hey, I'm in the prime of my career right now. Skeens. A guy like Skeens.

2:39:15Pat McAfee:Skeens has not hit his big deal yet.

2:39:17Jeff Passan:He hasn't had a big deal yet. Exactly. So it's like why the fuck – I'm putting up numbers that have never been seen before in the history of baseball. Why do I need to be the guinea pig to be like, oh, you know what? You're right. We should do a salary cap, and I'll take$250 million less than what I've earned and what guys two years ago were making. It's just, I don't know. I don't blame those guys.

2:39:40Pat McAfee:It happened in the NFL whenever they changed the draft payment, but those guys weren't already in the league. This would completely shin-bash all your stars.

2:39:52Jeff Passan:Right. So they're going to be the loudest. And baseball is different, too, because the teams have basically ownership over these players for a long time. So guys, yeah, they get massive deals, but a lot of times you've already put in six to seven to eight years of service time before you actually get that massive contract. And again, look at if Judge, luckily he only has a little UCL strain. He's only going to be out for 10 days. If he has to have Tommy John, he's missing the next 18 months. Like, he's missing a full season. So it's like any day these guys could, and then you might not be the same guy when you come back.

2:40:31Jeff Passan:So it's like you need to get paid when you have that opportunity.

2:40:33Pat McAfee:Good luck to all the boys out there, including Rob Manfred. Yeah. How about Judd Passon being like, Rob Manfred did not just exit the clubhouse. Yeah, he fired one back. I said, uh. I like that. The fuck did you say to me? Why don't you shut the fuck up, Bryce? Look around, bub. This is my league. I'm going to be here longer than you. Take off all your clothes. Those are mine. And get the fuck out of here.

2:40:59Jeff Passan:That would have been awesome if we were just like knocked over a big thing of baseballs. These are mine. Pick them up. How about just a get rebuttal? Yeah. That's mine. That's mine. Goes and grabs like a hundred bats. These are mine. See you later.

2:41:12Pat McAfee:Take some off. What a scene. And the fact that that got out immediately. Yeah. As I was reading, I was like, did this just happen? Yeah. Yep. Just happened. Somebody was in there. Holy fuck, man. You should see what just took place. And then Jet Pass, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Rob Manford, Bryce Harper. Yeah. Yes. How much more information can I get? Something like this hasn't happened since the Starbucks incident at the 2025 scouting combine. No real implications on that one, though, right? Got out quick, though. Yeah, Schultz didn't drop an F-bomb and Rob, she, like, cried and called his mom or something.

2:41:51Jeff Passan:No, we called NFL security. Oh, yeah. No. No.

2:41:54Pat McAfee:they called him they called him and then he said yeah he came up to me in starbucks and then everybody was painting it as rap poor called his dad because jordan schultz went into his dad's place and yelled at ian rapaport and reports can we please do some journalism here i was asked if i was accosted i said yes that's what i thought i was supposed to do because they were showing me a video of me getting yelled at by jordan schultz in starbucks and that turned into Ian Rapport's a little baby back bitch. In that situation, George Schultz took his coffee. He said, give me that coffee. That's mine.

2:42:28Pat McAfee:Dad's. You're right. That's mine. Dad's. That's mine. Dad's. Dad's.

2:42:36Jeff Passan:Then he realized what he'd done. He's like, shit, I got to go do it to everyone in here. Hey. Sorry. That's mine. Dad's.

2:42:43Pat McAfee:That's mine. Dad's. That's mine. Turn the lights off. All of it. That's mine. Everybody out. I'm using this as an office today. It's mine. Dad's. So, I need two Americanos before you leave. Make them mine. Dad's machine. That's crazy he's an NFL insider. Well, he's not, so. What do you mean? What? Let's get out of here. He is. He's still firing them off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you mean? He's firing them off. I agree. Be your friend. What would Tim say? Tim would say, chop the fuck up. That guy doesn't know fucking shit about shit. We watched Talk on a zipline. Yep. Have you seen this video of Talk on a zipline this weekend?

2:43:38Pat McAfee:He went to Super Duper Lake Fun Time. Have you heard about this? Yeah. Okay. I didn't even realize that was Talk, I think, when I watched it. Yeah, he put his feet off.

2:43:46Jeff Passan:He did the Tim Robinson. A little spin when he's done.

2:43:51Pat McAfee:And then at the end, he lifted his feet up, and then he hit the thing. Here it is. No, no, this isn't it. This is a different thing. This is not the zip line. Now, after the zip line, he did see an elevated surface that he said, yeah, I think I should jump off of there. 30 feet, you can jump off this. It's not a pier. It's like a little bit of a deck. You'll see him here in a second. He'll come into the frame, and he'll break his back. Oh, Jesus. Why did you angle your back and head towards the water? He's an athlete. He said he was scared. He was trying to stop it. Yeah, he's got bruising. Entire ass, hamstring, and lower back.

2:44:29That's pretty high up, too, man.

2:44:31Pat McAfee:As it turns out, nobody else jumped off of that the rest of the day. So everybody saw a talk, beat up water there, and in turn, water beat him up and said, all right, we're not doing a 30-footer today. What a chore. Yeah, the decisions that were made there by Todd. he said i shouldn't have looked before i jumped and i was like well if you don't look you don't know how far it is then you're gonna do that he goes well i did it already and it was like if it was 10 feet shorter he probably hits that water perfect yeah it was that final 10 feet where he just kind of just kind of drift i'm gonna do a back bump no you're not you're gonna get obliterated by this water 30 feet that's pretty hot yeah yeah i didn't know you're just like do this.

2:45:14Pat McAfee:I didn't know this was just out here. He's a zipline guy. Yeah, he's definitely a zipline. He was only there for the zipline and actually kind of felt like... We had a pier. He used to go jump off of into the river, pitch black. I don't remember the exact height of that thing. Down at Barking? It was probably 20. I lived there for a year. On Barking? That's sweet. Guinness World Record. Shadiest road in the United States of America. There's no sun down there. Most shade. It's in a valley next to a river. I got thrown off a pier. Got a concussion. What's that? When I was like nine years old. Yeah, that one happened.

2:45:47What happened? I had an instructor, and we were horsing around. He used to babysit me sometimes. So we're kind of just, you know, my brother. It's all kind of a bunch of big group, and we're all laughing. I got picked up, and I got tossed off a pier, and I landed on my back, and it fucked me up. How far was the drop?

2:46:07Pat McAfee:20 feet. You got picked up and thrown as a nine-year-old off a pier? Yeah. It was fucking nuts. It is hindsight looking back. Someone else jumped in. Can you imagine you doing that to a nine-year-old? No. Yeah, I've never done that. All right, let's keep you away from nine-year-olds. Okay. That's fair. Let's keep you away from nine-year-olds. A lady, I saw a lady on the internet. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Her friend? And that lady. She went to jail. She went to jail. Got to put everybody on the internet. I don't know if that's real or not. I mean, the injuries. I think it's real. She punctured a lung, broken ribs.

2:46:41That was fucked up. I hated that video.

2:46:44Pat McAfee:Yeah, I did not like it at all. I kind of out of nowhere, too, just to shove off there. Because you'll see some of those people who want to bungee jump and they're on a box. And you'll see some of the locals actually push people off. Like, hey, you're doing this. You signed up for it. And it's always an interesting situation. Because I'm like, would I want that to happen if I'm up there? Probably not. I kind of want to go myself. But also, if you work there, how long are these people just going to stay in shape?

2:47:08Jeff Passan:Yeah, I got people paying.

2:47:09Pat McAfee:If everybody was just to go up there and be scared, they'd be scared. They'd fucking push me. I hope they tell it beforehand, though. Yeah, it was messed up. This girl, and she goes face. No, that video pisses you off bad. That girl that put it, that makes me so, yeah. That's infuriating. I've never bungee jumped. I think that one's scarier than skydiving. You think?

2:47:29Jeff Passan:Just a lot of external factors there. Yeah. A lot closer to Earth. Yeah. Remember Rapsheet, feet first, mess it up. Sky coaster doesn't count. Yeah.

2:47:39Pat McAfee:Three, two, one, fly. Pull the thing. through Kennywood? Oh, yeah, I did that. Yeah, I have. I've done that. Is that? That's more. That is a bungee jumping. Yeah, in my estimation, I've bungee jumped before. Because that's what that is. Kind of. I think that kind of is. They're sending 10-year-olds up there, 11-year-olds up there in Kennywood. You know what they're not getting? Stuck. Because it ain't fucking Cedar Point. You guys talk to anybody over there in Ohio about that? Can't have that happen. I have not. I've never been to Cedar Point, actually. Did you see what that one guy said on the internet?

2:48:15Pat McAfee:No. He said D-Bone was sitting in the back. Oh, yeah. So that's why it couldn't go down. The coaster goes like this, and then it goes to connect, and then it goes like this, and it just got stuck right here. It was a good point by the guy who tweeted it. I didn't even think of that. D-Bone was, I think, he was right back here because he was driving over to Ohio to get all the all-American beer that's left, or real American beer that's left, And he was right back there, I think. And they said that they didn't, when they were building that thing, they didn't expect it to not. That's a good point.

2:48:47Pat McAfee:We don't know if that's true. I mean, you guys are really nice friends for thinking that D-Bone could get on a roller coaster. What? But I do. He's definitely tall enough. Yeah. There's other limits. And unfortunately. What are you saying? Jesus Christ. What are you saying? I'm just saying, based on the structure of the roller coaster, I don't think that I don't think the bars are clicking That's always the problem You do this one And you gotta do it a couple times It even happens to me every once in a while I'm nowhere near I'm built like a spark plug but not that big Anytime I gotta really yank that thing to get locked in A little bit of anxiety It feels like that was not Cleanly locked in And then what, 16 year old comes walking by With a little Madonna mic Alright, it's gonna be fine barely pulls it just fucking up you're good it's like am i i don't know you sure you sure i was in here yeah all right keep your arms hands inside the seat of the seat send them out and i'm just am i holding on this thing the whole fucking ride i don't know if i can hold this and then you get upside down and you're like free falling and it's like well now we're gonna find out and then that thing stays locked and it's like whew thank god and then the ride's over it's like well that wasn't fun yeah how was it all right let's get out of here be a friend tell a friend something nice might change your life for this thing together it's been a great summer man it'd be so scary it'd be so scary if you were holding on and it went upside down and you felt it unhook and you're just holding on your legs are flying in the air and you're how long can I hold this we've talked about this before but it's good time to bring it up because state fair season is coming up uh in where we grew up there wasn't state fair like we didn't do this i think it's over there in Hershey or Harrisburg or who knows, somewhere else.

2:50:35Pat McAfee:So I didn't know about state fairs. And then I come out here to Indiana. Love them. Holy fuck. These things are the greatest. People watching. The food's absurd. I like to eat good food. Then the things that are happening, awesome. State fairs are some of the greatest things ever created, I think. These people are getting on these rides, though, that I don't think we should be getting on. in the middle of a parking lot and i literally just watched that guy put it together he was using a hand crank and then this thing's going i'll smoke a crack all the way guys good hustler though that's why he's out there those are awesome though the ones that you could die on like like the ones you were growing up as a kid going to see that's what i'm saying i never did those as a kid so i think that is kind of my yeah you think about it too much as an adult yeah The little spin one where you're like, you just sit on the wall.

2:51:31Sticks you to Starship 2000 or something they call it. The orbiter that spins and turns at the same time. The zipper. They all just make you puke.

2:51:41Pat McAfee:Always. This one gets me now that I'm older. Thousand and one nights. This one, what's that? A thousand and one nights. Go on. The boat that goes. That's what his was called. It was a thousand and one nights. My ears fell out. That's Pirate Ship. That was Pirate Ship for me. Yeah, my ears fell out. I couldn't hear anything for like three seconds. That's my... Yeah, it's okay. 1 ,001 Knights. Magic Carpet or Pirate Ship. Yeah, 1 ,001 Knights too. It feels like that whenever I'm on it because as I've gotten older, that one has not sat well with my body. Getting to the point where I'm going to have to figure out whether or not we're doing these things with McKenzie or not, these state fair rides.

2:52:20Jeff Passan:Yeah.

2:52:20Pat McAfee:And I have a bad feeling Sam's all in on these things. She's been trying to get me to ride them for like four or five years. I'm like, Sam, I'm not fucking going in that thing. Oh, come on. It's fun. You go do it. I'm not going to do it alone. Mackenzie's not getting in with it. I don't know how to tell Sam.

2:52:35Jeff Passan:I would never do it, but I think of it too. Like Iowa State Fair is the same thing. They do it so often that it probably is safe. Very safe. But you're right. My kid isn't fucking going in there. Not a chance. I'll go to an amusement park and do it. Anyway. Yeah, I'm not going to the fucking fairgrounds and doing it. Not a chance. You're not putting your kid on a Kennywood ride Yeah, you know what? Nah, I'm talking about Adventureland here I ain't talking about fucking Kennywood Yeah, let's put this to the test Why don't you and Sam and McKenzie head to Kennywood And hop on the fucking potato thing I want to let you know that's Potato Patch

2:53:07Pat McAfee:Potato Patch is not a ride It's a journey to Happy Town It is not a ride McKenzie will definitely be a Kennywood girl No questions asked I've heard the prices are a little absurd but, you know, going to have to do that for a lifetime. We went to Cedar Point for mine's second birthday. She had so much fun we're going back for her third. Yeah, that's what we're saying. Cedar Point. Did you see Cedar Point? Have you seen Cedar Point? I thought that's what he said. I was clarifying.

2:53:37Jeff Passan:Well, we've heard, but D-Bone hopefully won't be there when he goes, so he doesn't have to worry about it.

2:53:42Pat McAfee:D-Bone, were you on the back of that thing? Why'd that guy say you were on the back of that thing?

2:53:46Jeff Passan:Wasn't on the back of the thing. I never went to Cedar Point. I was in the pond all weekend. I saw a tweet about him that said he got in the teacup and the whole thing just shut down. The teacups? Yeah, the teacups was the only ride he could ride and fit into. Are you sure it was the teacups, not the D-cups? Might have been the T-bowls. Okay. Jeez Louise. I think the T-bowls. Yeah, T-bowls, T-cooler, perhaps, T-refrigerator. Bone! Bone, why are they saying you're on the back of that ride?

2:54:17Pat McAfee:Why'd that guy tweet that? He doesn't even have a mic to defend himself. Yeah, he does. He'll be over here. Here we go. Yeah, that's kind of how he feels about that guy. Nice. Great catch. That's national champion right there. That sure is. So, um, were you on the back? Why did that guy tweet you right back? No, Bergy the hippie can go fuck himself. Yeah. That's journalism. I guess Bergy the hippie did not see you there. Thank you. Sorry. We will no longer say that you were in the back of that or the T-Bowls or D-Cups or anything. Thank you, D-Bone. Those jokes ain't going nowhere, D-Bone. He does need to get it under control.

2:54:56Pat McAfee:He needs to start doing some physical activity. Got a dry fit on right now. He's got a dry fit. He's ready to go right through the show. He's got to play the part.

2:55:07Jeff Passan:He was putting in work at the pond all weekend.

2:55:10Pat McAfee:That was a pond party.

2:55:11Jeff Passan:He wasn't swimming. No, he was swimming. He was the 2025 Prince of the Pond. Yeah, pawn prince. First year. Got the crown and all. Closing ceremonies.

2:55:23Pat McAfee:So Berger the Hippie was lying. I guess he wasn't on that roller coaster. I'm not. I think there's still some validation to that claim. I don't know. Berger the Hippie's been around a while, too. Let's not just rule him out. We can't just take one word over the other. All right, he's wearing a fucking dry fit. We're wearing a dry fit. I was watching cops. That's literally what it just took me back to. Like, what if that is his excuse? I had fucking tights on yesterday. Saw a guy showing up at training camp. Yeah, Bob Spillane in 98-degree heat, the hottest day in New England probably, up to this point, shows up to training camp with long sleeves, a sweatshirt, and tights.

2:56:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, I mean, and my immediate thought was, oh, this guy needs to lose some weight. Like, show up at camp a little heavy. We need to lose some weight here. It's going to Bob Spillane. Uh-uh. Every weight's perfect. So he's just a guy that's like, I was out in Vegas, brother. It was 120 degrees out there. You think I'm worried about this New England heat? I don't think. What's going on in Europe? Hey, Europe's heat.

2:56:21Jeff Passan:Yeah, massive heat wave.

2:56:23Pat McAfee:No air conditioning, right? Is that the big problem? I guess. Wow. People dying. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. It is crazy. Especially because down in South Florida, it's like always 100 degrees. There's got to be something different over there. Yeah, they don't have air conditioning. What do you think it is? No, I don't know. What else could it be? What else are you thinking? I don't know. Karma? Who's the SEC quarterback you think is going to be behind Lenore Sellers? I told you. DJ Lagway. Okay, all right. And then Arch. Are you saying that because you hate white people? I love white people. Okay, I just want to make sure people are asking.

2:57:01Pat McAfee:I think DJ Lagway is going to be very good.

2:57:03Jeff Passan:Yeah, he's got the quarterback whisperer, too.

2:57:05Pat McAfee:Napin. That's right. They turned that team around, stuck with the boys. I do respect DJ Lagway. but my blind belief on the season is just like the art show and maybe I need to dial it back a little bit I mean remember the year Napier had with AR his last year in Florida, holy fuck be a friend, tell a friend something nice and I might change your life, we're in a single year, team on me AJ we'll see you tomorrow buddy, are you coming with us tomorrow? yeah I'm gonna meet you there, I'm gonna drive you should just meet us in Canton what? oh no I can meet you I plan on coming to Laetrobe All right.

2:57:40Okay, just know that you don't have to. I got you. Yeah, yeah. I got a buddy that's a big Sears fan. He's coming to watch.

2:57:46Pat McAfee:Okay, sick. All right, we'll see you there tomorrow. Bobby? Yeah, Bobby. The general? No, another buddy. He's a guy from Youngstown. You know, all those Youngstown people are big Pittsburgh fans of all the Pittsburgh sports. Youngstown is a Pittsburgh-type city. It is. A lot of Italians. A lot of grit. They remind me of Pittsburgh people. Like all my buddies' dads, they sound like they're from Pittsburgh. And they're the Penguins, right? Yes, they are. So it's very Pittsburgh. You're right. All right, we'll see you tomorrow, AJ. Hopefully we'll see other people hang out with us tomorrow at the Pittsburgh Steelers training camp.

2:58:15Pat McAfee:Come say hello. And after the show, we're going to watch practice. That's what we're going to do. That's a great idea. That is what is happening. That needs to be said right now. When that show is over, we're going to watch practice. Have to. Some of we. That's what we're there for. You're not watching practice? What? What's up? Tone's staying for the Hall of Fame game You don't have to scout for week three? Yeah No, I'm focused on week one, brother One game at a time One day at a time One show at a time One moment at a time One wake up at a time I was just kidding about Kent too, by the way I feel like that should be said too Alright, team on three One, two, three, team Goodbye You matched on Hinge You're vibing Then her energy completely changes What do you do?

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