PMS 2.0 1385 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Preseason Week 1 Recap, Adam Schefter, Dana White, Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

16:49Adam Schefter:Yeah.

16:50Pat McAfee:I think it was very cool. Now, bro, we do have to keep everything in perspective here. Yeah, it's preseason. And that's why we got a couple more preseason games left. That's right. And we will overreact to all of them. Hell yeah. Every single time. And then the real season will come around and guess what will happen. We'll go, not that matter. You remember what Kenny Pickett did in 2023? Yeah. That's why he's on the bottom right corner of this particular draft. the All-Broad team because let's not get captivated here. This can go away where he ends up being a Super Bowl champion for another team.

17:18Pat McAfee:So you have a great preseason. There's a chance that it doesn't go great with your team, but you could go on to win Super Bowl somewhere else. So that's what all the All-Broad team members need to look forward to after week one for most of these days. Never forget Kenny. 13 of 15, 200 yards, five straight touchdown drives to start that season. You remember that? Tone came in here. Steelers are back. Seven's back on. Yeah, exactly. It's not even just Kenny Pickett. I think it was just the entire offense as a whole. Yeah, yeah. And then the season happened. If you recall, worst offense in the history of NFL football?

17:52Yeah, that's when Deontay Johnson exploded. It was the worst

17:56Pat McAfee:in the history of football. They were chanting to fire the offensive coordinator in Utah. Yep. In Utah. The country. Yeah. The state of Utah. JMU. Diggs dressed up like the devil on Halloween as Matt Canada. I mean, that's how bad it was. Some of my best ones. But in 2023, in that preseason, you guys were winning the Super Bowl. The bell of the ball. So let's not get too excited, but let's not get too low. But let's make sure we celebrate those who are doing well, because it's better than doing ass. So congratulations to the boys. Congrats, bro. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the senior NFL insider for ESPN, front of the program, Michigan Man.

18:30Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Shafty. Hey, Shafty. Shafty, what's up, brother? Hello, everybody. How are we doing? I'm on the drive to Bristol, so hopefully we don't hit any bad Wi-Fi zones. but bear with me and hopefully we can make it through uninterrupted. It's okay. That's the home of sports coverage, you know, up there in Bristol, Connecticut. I put a good tweet out about that place during the break. Had a lot of action. Tell those people I said hello up there. Now, on that note, you've been in this game a long time. Long time. How many preseasons is this? Do you remember? I've covered the league for over 35 years, so it'll be my 35th or 6th preseason.

19:06Pat McAfee:Okay. This should door hype. how how regulars is this like once every 10 years something like this happens like how often do you think this type of situation especially because he's delivering yeah he delivered in a big way and he said he has said everything right he he went to he went to cleveland early to go be in the community fifth round pick of this team now granted the people that hate him say oh this is bullshit but the people that support him and think like hey maybe there's a chance here are like hey keep going what are your thoughts on it and how regular of a situation is this in over your 35 years?

19:39Well, I think there are always players that get your attention in the preseason. But again, very rarely have we ever seen a player who was projected to be a first-round pick or a high-picked fall to the fifth round and play quarterback and go through everything that Shador went through the first couple nights of the draft. I remember Friday night, Pat, as the third round was coming to a close, the number of texts that I got from people in other communities, like acting, music, other sports. It was crazy the amount of people that were interested in why he slid to where he did. And he wound up going in the fifth round.

20:25So there was a ton of attention. It carries over to the preseason. And I could just think of certain quarterbacks at certain times that flashed and popped in the preseason the way that Shador did on Friday night. Now, again, I want to be very clear. One game, one game, so we'll see. But you couldn't help watch that one game and not be impressed by what he did that night. He threw the ball really well. He was accurate. He was composed. He was poised. He was all the things that you want to see, and I think that's what you're looking for right away is guys show right away it's not too big for them.

21:03They belong. they can play or it is too big for them and they can't play and they don't belong and she don't look like he belonged and so yeah i mean again when i think back on quarterbacks in the preseason russell wilson in 2012 popped right away and that was an offseason in which the seahawks paid a lot of money from matt flynn as a free agent quarterback and they traded for charlie Whitehurst, and I think back to when the Cowboys drafted Dak Prescott and then he came on and lit it up in the preseason, played exceptionally well, and you could just watch those guys right away and say they got it.

21:42They got it. And that's the way for one game it looked for Shador. But you know what? The one game now leads to conversations about how much time he's going to get in the second game. And because now you have to take a longer look. Now we've got to see, okay, well what what was this about? Did we all miss on this guy in the draft? Did he fall farther than he should have? Was everybody right about him? And the teams were wrong? We had so many fans who thought he should go so high. We had no time who thought he should go so high. And he goes to the fifth round. And now, and again, it was one game.

22:19I want to emphasize one game, but it was a great start. It was a great start.

22:22Pat McAfee:And my entire thing has led to, he could have played like ass. And he didn't. He played great. So it's like, how do we judge? We can only judge off what we see. Now, who he's playing against, who he's playing with, not NFL. Okay, that's not the NFL. Irrelevant. No, no, no. But, Sheffield, I would like to say this, though. I'd like to say this. We have to remember he's fifth-round pick. Okay? That's how the teams are going to view him. That's how Cleveland's going to view him because they invested that in him. So when you talk about playing in the preseason, it's like you're talking about how much time.

22:50Pat McAfee:Like, this is when fifth-round picks would be. I mean, this is their time. This is their shot. So any opportunity to get on the field I think is great, even if he's not with guys that he's familiar with this is the nfl this is what preseason is for hopefully he'll continue to go now preseason also devastating for some teams every single year injuries happen these injuries take place and all of a sudden before the season even begins we don't have a chance to have our full roster especially with all of our talent left tackle for the chargers obviously sad i mean absolutely devastating situation happy he got paid and once again this is why people look for deals as opposed to getting franchise tagged and everything like that because you never know what's going to happen in a sport that is so combative and physical.

23:30Pat McAfee:Now, Matthew Stafford, I think McVay and everybody said he's going to be okay. Landon Dickerson, heartbreaker over there in Philly. Got carded out. Obviously, that offensive line, they are what they are. Lucas, Matt, Rondell Moore, Anthony, Najee. Is there anything else we should be looking at? And how would you classify these injuries if you just kind of want to go through the list yourself? Well, first of all, in Alexander Madison, the Dolphins running back, goes down yesterday in the game against the Bears. Neck injury gets taken by ambulance to a local hospital in Chicago where he proceeds to undergo season-ending neck surgery.

24:06So you could add Alexander Madison to that list. It was a terrible injury, unfortunate, and I think they got a good prognosis from the surgery to where they think he'll be able to play again next year. But Rashawn Slater, he becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history on July 27th. And then a mere 10 or so days later, basically ruptures his patella tendon and needs surgery. And he's out for the year. Matthew Stafford's been dealing with a back. But the Rams really, look, 36 years old, back, quarterback going to take hits. Backs don't seem to get better. But I think he's going to be okay.

24:45I was in their building last week. I mean, if they had a game right now, today, Matthew Stafford is playing. So they're trying to maintain him and make sure that he's going to be as healthy as he can be when the season opens. Landon Dickerson's having an MRI on his knee today. We'll see what comes back there. He's been a warrior in the NFL level, has not missed any time, but has a history of knee injuries in college that led to him falling into the second round. Lucas Niang out for the year. Matt Hennigan, torn Achilles. Rondell Price, knee injury. Sounds like the season's over. Anthony Richardson dealing with the pinky issue, which isn't long-term.

25:30And Najee Harris. You didn't include Deion Bush, the chief safety, who ruptured his Achilles on Saturday night. Like, the Ravens have lost some rookie cornerbacks to knee injuries. Listen, it's the worst part of the preseason. Inevitably, guys come back, and these guys are so big and so strong and so fast. Yeah, I agree. Some of these injuries, unfortunately, are inevitable. And to your point, though, this is why, like, if I'm Micah Parsons or Trey Hendrickson, or Terry McClure. You've got to be really careful. One practice, one practice. Yeah, you need to remember that.

26:15Pat McAfee:You need to remember that whenever you're reporting your inside information from the teams. They've offered everything they possibly could to Trey Hendricks. He needs to do that. And it's like, you get shown these stats, you know, like, hey, there's a chance tomorrow you go out there one dip and rip and your elbow, shoulder, knee, and ankle. I'll just give up. How about old Buddy from the Ravens? Was that his? Mike Green. Oh, my. That is what they are talking about whenever they talk about going around the edge. So that's scary stuff. It's no fun. It seems to happen every single preseason. Also, another injury not on there.

26:48Pat McAfee:Go ahead, D. Bunch.

26:49Adam Schefter:Jerry Jones mentioned that. Obviously, that's why he was kind of weird of paying guys. But speaking of Jerry Jones and his guy, a guy that wasn't on that list, and those are serious injuries, T's and P's, we got an update on C.D. Lamb. We saw him take a hell of a shot on the sideline of the Cowboys preseason game. Any update on C.D.? Well, he got penalized on this play, which was one of the craziest highlights of the weekend. He has his hands up. The official collides. C.D. Lamb goes down. It was the hardest hit he took all game. He got penalized on the play. The league is reviewing it to see if there will be a fine that's necessary, which would obviously add insult to injury or money to injury.

27:33And fortunately, he's okay. hey, look, everybody's laughing and hugging him, but you get hit like that. I know it's just an official, but you're not expecting it. Who knows what could happen?

27:42Pat McAfee:Official, to be clear, low man does win all the time. And that official had pretty good. He did perform. Yeah, he showed up at training camp looking good, feeling good about the year. CD, that would suck so bad. Rewind it again. Explain to me, you guys are football guys. What is he celebrating? This guy's wide open. What do you think, Shefty? Wide open, yeah. But did they complete the best? Did they score? No. No, but Shefty, he's celebrating his boy. This is the wide receiver room. And he's literally pointing at him, saying, hey, we got him. We got him. We got him. Probably knew the call. Knew it was going to be a double move.

28:20Pat McAfee:See, that's him scoring a touchdown, if this is called, in the regular season. He knew the call, knew the coverage, knew everything. Hey, this is going to be this guy, right? And it is touchdown. Touchdown, knew it. Touchdown. And the ref's like outfielder running for a home run. Yeah, right into the wall. With no – I mean, his whole face is on CD's back. Yeah, and he's got a stiff chest when he's running too. I mean, that's –

28:45Adam Schefter:Great posture, great feel. Great beat by the ref. But we always get told on that sideline, regardless of what level of football, but especially in the NFL, get back. Stay off the white. Usually a get back coach or someone. CD knows. I mean, he's used to being on the field, obviously. But he knows. I'm sure he'll get it talking to. So if that was a player a little lower in the roster, it would be a bigger deal. But they'll probably fine him just to make it a bigger statement across the league because that is a big deal for refs to do their job. Did the ref finish the game, Chef? Of course. Yeah.

29:14Oh, yeah. He's probable for this week. He'll be back for preseason week two. He's ready to go. He's been all bro.

29:21Pat McAfee:All right. Let's talk a little bit more about one. He should be. Hey, that ref. Yeah. He's the official official of the all-brow team. Bro, you're running really fast. Bro. A little awareness. Ref, hope you're all right, Ref. Good work, bro. Good work, bro. Great work, bro. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Shefty, I wanted to ask about another player in Dallas, one that we also did not see on the field, Micah Parsons. He did a thank you Dallas situation where he put out. It was a long note section. Are we anywhere new on the Jerry and Micah and getting a new contract? Is he going to be there week one? Do we know?

29:56Pat McAfee:See, also, can I quickly? Micah, when we screenshot that, we can't be repeating sentences. you can edit that thing screenshot it put it down so then we don't have to go back through and i read this thing four times right anyways but micah i appreciate you getting your thoughts out there and i like that you use your notes section i also use that section this is wonderfully put together and i think you thanked everybody but i was not happy about the micah you got your own show you got a big brain you're a smart guy you get the biz you just crop it down just crop it down come on message show got across though, Shefty.

30:28Pat McAfee:I read it four times. It was a lot. A lot of words. You didn't read it. I did. I read it twice. Dev, you read it? No. That's why you don't know what I'm saying. So like, the end of this sentence is not the beginning of the next picture. It is like, find it in the middle. We go three sentences back. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, hey, picture one, we should just have a thing. Picture two, page two, we're going to new stuff. You know what I mean? I'm OG notes screenshot sender.

30:57Adam Schefter:I'm new school. Just chat GPT. Summarize this in three sentences. Oh my God. See, that's not good. That's not good.

31:05Pat McAfee:Have you seen the brain memes about the chat GPT people? I don't believe. And the studies. Did chat GPT tell you to say that? Maybe. Let me ask chat GPT what my thoughts are on how chat GPT is affected by brain. Very nice. Anyways, go ahead, Shefty. Sorry, buddy. We ruined all that. That's okay. Micah, I think it's unbelievable that that statement came out about 10 days ago. And since that statement came out, there have been zero contract talks between the Dallas Cowboys and Micah Parsons. Now, you would think that something like that would trigger some conversation to get everybody, all sides in one room to try to get a deal done.

31:46And in fact, it feels like it's done the opposite. It feels like Micah is disappointed and bothered by the way the Cowboys have done their business. It feels like the Cowboys are bothered and disappointed that Micah would make his feelings known like that, ask for a trade. Jerry Jones felt like he had a deal in place with Micah that isn't going to get done right now. And now all of a sudden there are a whole host of new issues that we have to ask if these two sides are unwilling to talk, which has been the case, and unwilling to negotiate. So, okay, now we got Micah Parsons who says he has back tightness and he's not practicing.

32:33Oh, classic.

32:34Pat McAfee:You remember the hamstring in the NBA? That's a good one. You know, I'll bet you back tightness can linger for a long time. And back tightness usually lingers when contract negotiations usually are not progressing. So the Cowboys open their regular season three weeks from Thursday night against the Philadelphia Eagles. and Jerry Jones himself has said that he doesn't know and might not expect Micah to play in that opening game against the Eagles. And so now they're making no progress. They're not talking about a new deal. And unless things change, you have to wonder where this is going. The Cowboys have said they're not interested in trading them.

33:24That's what they say. but at some point in time if you're not going to sign the guy then you're going to move the guy. There's two choices. Sign him or trade him. And right now they're not talking contract. He's got a tight back. And so who knows where this is.

33:41Pat McAfee:My question for you Shefter with all this and the tight back obviously we hope he's okay. He's a special talent on the football field. We would hope to watch him all year but if that back does get a little bit better if you sleep on a pile of money. We also have seen this in the past in this entire thing as your connection goes unstable in this entirety jerry jones said jay-z is this real i've been seeing a lot of quotes about him dealing with jay-z with rock nation agency back in the day oh it is jerry jerry it like jerry didn't negotiate deals with agents what why does this continue to be talked about as if this is like his thing like yeah i don't talk to the agents like how have you got every everybody represents himself the place for the cowboys yeah No, no, no.

34:22I think over time, Jerry has had a history of doing some of his biggest deals with some of his most well-known players. Exactly. A handshake, Pat. He gets them in, he's talking to them. And in this particular case, Jerry felt like he had a deal. But Micah and his agent never felt like there was a deal. There's no paper. There's no contract. There's nothing that was presented. Jerry feels like he was wronged. Yeah, so there's two different interpretations of the events that went on in the discussions between Jerry and Micah. The bottom line is they're nowhere right now, and it feels like the state of the relationship has gotten worse.

35:10And, again, it's going to be really interesting to see how tight Micah's back is on opening night. Yeah, I hope we see Micah.

35:17Pat McAfee:I hope they get a deal done. I'm going to say this. for how good of a player Micah has been with being a first-round pick for the Dallas Cowboys, with the night he gets drafted saying he dreamt of being a Dallas Cowboy and all that, for him to go into his fifth year of his rookie contract without a new deal is abnormal. Not just for Dallas Cowboys. I think just for that position, that player for any team, first-rounder, for you to hit like you hit and not get a deal done going into the fifth round, very abnormal. Going into the fourth year, abnormal. Going into the fifth year, which is the bonus year that they had to tag on top of them, let alone the two franchise tag years we got ahead of this.

35:52Pat McAfee:Very abnormal. This is a very weird situation in my eyes. Very weird. And Jerry, you know, he's got a documentary coming out here in about eight days. That's right. The Gambler and the Cowboys. America's Team, August 19th, 2025. I wonder if the last chapter would be him and Mike. Mike doesn't know I had him mic'd up. We were talking in one of my rooms. We agreed to a deal. You say we didn't agree. It's right here. It's in the documentary. America's Team. Chuck Haines. The Gambler and the Cowboys. Old school. So he feels like he was wronged, is what you're saying. Like, business-wise, he feels like he was bamboozled by Micah.

36:25Pat McAfee:Is that kind of the thought? Because if that is the case, I think Jerry's the type of guy who will be fucked us. Is that accurate? Is that how this is being? And we lose him. That's a big piece of information here. This is a big piece of information.

36:38Adam Schefter:That's why I understand maybe he's done that in the past. But if you are Micah and you're playing this position, this is a position that Myles Garrett reset it. TJ Watt just jumped him. and you're right in line. Like you said, he's done everything right from day one. Even last year, he was battling through some injuries when he could have easily set out looking forward to getting his contract done. And when you're Mike and you have one of the best agents in the game representing you, it would be terrible for you. And I'm sure the PA wouldn't want him to do this anyway to represent yourself in these negotiations.

37:07Adam Schefter:Oh, let me shake your hand because this is how you've done it. That's ridiculous. This is too much money at stake for Mike to do it. Jerry, he can do it. but he's going to be around for, you know, his business is going to be there forever in his family. But, Micah, he did the right thing. Get your business done right.

37:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, and also, I'm okay with deals getting done via handshake. This is for a future reference. But got to hammer out all the details on paper. Yeah. I mean, that is legitimately how it all works. Hey, Schefter, we're kind of hypothesizing about the entire situation here. So Jerry believes, and let me get – this has probably already been reported, so I apologize. We're on a beach. Yeah, exactly. Somewhere on the beach. I'm strong. I have a new baby. She's awesome. All day long. Jerry feels wronged by Micah because they had a handshake deal that Micah then reneged on in this entire thing. That's how he views it?

38:06I think Jerry feels like they had the makings of a deal, if not an agreement in place. He talked to reporters last week about the fact that when he bought the Cowboys, it was a handshake deal. That's what he said. And he's done a lot of handshake deals over time. And again, Micah feels like he never saw a contract, never agreed to anything. His agent never signed off on anything. And so there are a whole host of issues there. And again, you mentioned Micah's draft class. If you look it up, look at all the players around him and in front of him that have already been paid. Any good player in front of him, from Jamar Chase to Devontae Smith to Penny Sewell to...

38:52Sertan. Most of those, J.C. Horn, Sertan, they've all been paid already. And Micah has not been. And so he's watching his draft class all get paid. He's watching the top pass rushers across the league, whether it's Max Crosby, Daniil Hunter. T.J. Miles, T.J. Watt all get paid, and he's not. Not only is he not paid, his own team is not even talking to him, and he feels insulted by what they've said about him in the summer. So, again, I just think it's a situation that's gone the opposite direction, and they're further apart from a deal today than they were in, let's just say, March or early April.

39:30Pat McAfee:Jeez. So he was 12th overall in that particular draft. If you were to not just take against his draft class, who all got paid, I think if you were to take him, his stats, his draft thing, and also saying I dreamt of being on this team on draft night and put them into their simulation, everybody's getting paid on their fourth year. Everybody. Micah needs to go back into his office, though, brother. Micah, you need to go back in there. You got to do one of these things, I think. If you want to get a deal done, I think that's what you're probably going to have to do. Just after watching Jerry and Landman, it feels like that, especially the way he talks about it, it not i'm not saying it's right or wrong because people can forget how a handshake's supposed to go too you know some people can have one view of what a handshake deal looks like any others have another view of what the handshake deal actually is and then whenever it gets put on paper it's like wait a minute we didn't talk about this particular thing and then you can get pretty offended so i think you should go back in there and shake his hand but i also think he should have been paid already and i'm also starting to think jerry maybe like maybe that thing used to go 96 i don't know i think we might be throwing bp maybe 88 yeah i think we might be throwing bp all of a sudden yeah i'll watch the gambler and the cowboys for sure but i mean there's a chance okay let's talk about somebody else that may be uh i don't know if he won't get paid before his fifth year will the fifth year even happen yeah that's a good question we're talking about super hype okay a lot of hype most hype that i've heard in some time generational hype that comment yeah Yeah, Schefter, obviously a lot of the quarterbacks play.

41:05Not all of the quarterbacks play, but the biggest ones, you know, Mahomes, Burrow, some other guys also. Caleb Williams, kind of in that category of dudes you would expect to see in preseason week one. New offense the whole nine with Ben Johnson. We don't see any Caleb Williams instead. Some speculation on the internet is claiming that he did not play because he does not know how to run Ben Johnson's offense yet. Is that the case? And how closely should we be looking at Chicago as a spot that's not a proven year for the quarterback, but definitely a pivotal year in his organizational kind of tenure for Chicago?

41:45Yeah. Well, I think what happened here is that the Dolphins got to Chicago last week on Wednesday. And they had intra-squad scrimmages where coaches can control that. And Caleb got plenty of work against the Dolphins. And so if you're not going to stick out your regulars and you're not going to stick your first team offensive line in, oftentimes you don't want to stick your quarterback in there. And I think Ben Johnson felt like Caleb got the work in a controlled environment that he needed to. Now, I will say this. It's a little odd that in the same game, Tua Tungabailoa is out there playing in a preseason game and Caleb Williams is not.

42:24Joe Burrow, who hasn't played in a preseason ever, is out there this weekend. And Caleb Williams, who's learning a new offense, is not. So it seems a little odd in that sense, but I'm just telling you that their thinking was that Caleb got to go against the Dolphins in practice all week long in a controlled setting where he gets to wear a jersey where he's not subjected to hits, and they got the work that they felt they needed to get in with him during the course of last week without having to put him out there Sunday and risking injury behind a backup offensive line.

42:57Pat McAfee:All right, I respect that move. I do and I respect the way Ben Johnson that guy's back with the Chargers can't wait to see what he does uh I respect that Ben Johnson is trying to change the culture there too seemingly a little bit more accountability driven a little bit more hard nose a little bit more of a hard ass feels like he got juiced up I think there was a fourth and goal stop that they had he's out on the field flex and I think Miami got them back later with a fourth and goal stop as well on the other side it was good joss between these I will say there were some moments in there the Caleb shit there is there's the actual flex I was talking about.

43:27Pat McAfee:The Caleb stuff on the internet is loud. Should it be? What are you hearing out of Chicago? Like he talked, I'm sorry, Connor talked about it being maybe a prove-it year. Sean Payton goes into Denver as your mid-blink there. I know, take it all in. He goes out to Denver and has the capability basically to move on from Russell Wilson if it doesn't work out. Ben Johnson went there because of Caleb. He's there to make Caleb good. What is the pressure on Caleb this year? And what is the reality of the situation currently? I think that there's pressure on every quarterback every year, and they did everything to uplift Caleb this year.

44:02From hiring the head coach to all the moves that they made, they went out and traded for two offensive linemen. They signed another. They signed Drew Dolman for agency. They traded for Jonah Jackson. They traded for Joe Tooney. They hired a coach to elevate Caleb. This is all designed to make sure that Caleb Williams is a massive success because that's the type of talent that he has. So, yeah, of course there's pressure on him because everything they've done has been geared to making him better. So it's up to him. Now, if this season went on and he didn't play well, well, that pressure is going to only rise next year.

44:37It's going to get ratcheted up. But I think there's pressure on all these guys every year. Everybody's watching to see how it goes. And this organization, I think, has given him everything that he could want to play to the best of his abilities. Come on, Caleb.

44:49Pat McAfee:We can't wait to watch. There's some Caleb shit that he can do that nobody else can do, and we're excited to watch it. Hopefully it all comes to fruition. Last question here is we have Mr. Dana White joining us in about a minute and a half. Shepty, where do we stand on the Colts QB battle? It seemed like going into their first game against the Ravens, the tide had kind of turned, and Anthony Richardson, everyone talked about how good he had looked, new body, all that kind of stuff. And then very early on, he gets smacked in the teeth real hard, dislocates his pinky. Shane Steichen did mention today that he's full going practice today.

45:20He's good. He's going to play on Saturday against the Packers, although Danny Dimes will start. What are you hearing about this battle? Because going into the game, it certainly did seem like it was Anthony Richardson's job to lose. Well, it did, and now it still seems like it's a battle that hasn't been decided, and it still feels like a battle that's going to play itself out here in the final couple of weeks of the preseason. I don't think the Colts sound ready to make a decision just yet. And Anthony Richardson obviously needs to do a better job at picking up, seeing things, recognizing certain situations, and most important, whether it was or wasn't his fault, staying healthy.

45:59I know it's not his fault this guy comes around. He doesn't respond quick enough. Somebody missed him, whatever it may be. But it's another injury. Fortunately, it was not more severe. He's able to bounce back. But I don't think this team has decided who its quarterback is going to be yet. I think the job is there to be one still, and one of these guys is going to have to go out and win it the next couple of weeks.

46:20Pat McAfee:Saw a lot of quarterbacks say, hey, you got to know that that's coming. But then also I saw a lot of people who are fans of the game say, nope, that's your guy. He should have been blocked. So, I mean, there's a lot of conjecture about it or whatever, conjecture about it. All I know is he's still playing. That's a big shot.

46:37Adam Schefter:Yeah. That was a very big shot. I'm going to look taking the shot almost exactly like that in the actual game. But, yeah, I mean, who knows who it was on. Looks like, who knows who was on, but yeah, you got to stay healthy. You know, your ability is the best. Availability is the best. We're still believe ours, brother.

46:54Pat McAfee:All right, we appreciate your safe travels, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Chef Gary. I like Danny Dimes, too. It's like crazy. I've seen some highlights out of Danny Dimes. Looks pretty good. I mean, if you think about a guy who's 16 years old. How old is Anthony Richardson? Yeah, 23. 21 years old, 22, whatever it is. Still got all the talent in the world. Like his prep before practices. Oh, yeah. Don't love that he got an injury early because that kind of adds to this guy's always hurt. Dislocated pinky. Not like you guys. We move along. That? Yeah, you got it. You got an all-brot player. So who even cares?

47:23And A.D. Mitchell, I mean, all the highlights coming out of him are incredible.

47:27Pat McAfee:Speaking of highlights, how about seven years,$7.7 billion? Ladies and gentlemen, the man who, I don't know his official title. We just assume he runs the UFC. President, CEO, super-duper boss. A man who was smoking a cigar on his IG story today saying, it's going to be a good day. You're damn right, ladies and gentlemen, Dana White. Yeah, Dana! Congratulations. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate it. No problem. I like the TKO group shirt. Hey, I like what we're doing here, okay? Obviously, WWE gets massive deal done with ESPN. UFC gets huge deal done here with Paramount Plus and Skydance. I believe it's P-Sky is their particular public trading thing.

48:11Pat McAfee:how's this come together dana this is a huge swing by paramount to get into sports full time how pumped were you that they were a part of this and uh you know is this where you thought you were going to end up at like a month ago i agree with everything you just said yes uh you know we've been going through the process uh no i didn't think this is where we would end up but this is sort of how it played out i love it uh these guys are obviously very smart guys very aggressive um and when you think about streaming right streaming is incredible uh you know when they drop a great show the problem with with the whole services i i can watch it tonight or i can watch it two years from now live sports is going to be a big deal uh you know with all these streaming services and uh you know we're going to play a big part in it and when you look at when you look at uh paramount plus right this new deal that we're going into you get to watch all the UFC programming on there.

49:09No pay-per-view anymore. You know, it's$13 or whatever it is, and you get everything. Plus, these guys have South Park, Yellowstone. I've been talking about Mobland now. Tom Cruise.

49:21Pat McAfee:Unreal. Tom Cruise. They got Tom Cruise. Just all of Tom Cruise as well, brother. Pulsa King. I mean, the list goes on and on of all the content that they have. Great shows. So now you get you know, all the UFC content plus Plus, you know, all this other great content, too, TV shows. And they have much bigger plans ahead. And we are very aligned with them. And I'm excited to be in business with the Ellisons. We're very excited that they're getting into sports in the way that they are. You know, Dad, Larry, I believe, he paid, what,$100 million for that kid to go play quarterback in Michigan? Yeah.

49:55Pat McAfee:He just dropped$100 million. They're getting a boy now running Paramount+. Plus, I'm excited they're getting into sports in the way that they are. And Skydance, I think, has a deal with the NFL to make movies about sports. So I appreciate you trailblazing into the sports world and continuing to keep it moving there. Now, this is for all U.S. events, right? Is that accurate? Yeah, this is just for U.S. So we'll still go out and cut different deals, you know, in different territories. But, you know, when you get in business with a global sport like us, I mean, I'm sure they have plans. We haven't got that far yet, but, you know, plans to go into other countries too.

50:32Pat McAfee:Let's talk about the pay-per-view model being done here for you. Usually, these streaming services, as they're gathering an audience, try to host a big event to draw people in, and then they hope their shit keeps them there. We're going to have a big event, and then we'll keep our shit. Now, Netflix has just been building since the beginning their blockbuster, so they've got everybody. Everybody else has to have these live events to bring people in. Amazon was doing it with music. I think they were having big concerts. Then they got into the NFL. Now they're getting into sports. ESPN +, UFC, other pay-per-views, they get in there to have these events.

51:01Pat McAfee:so with Paramount Plus saying hey we just want people to be subscribers and enjoy it they have to have a pretty big audience base already I would assume and how do you view this do you think it's going to be a success and how everybody else is going to end up doing it in this particular world yeah I think that you know I think all these streaming services no matter who they are have to be involved in live sports you know uh any type of sport you have to watch it live nobody's going to watch a taped or delayed sporting event. So yeah, I think they all have to have it. And it's going to be fun because there's all these disruptors in business right now.

51:40When you think about us growing up, I never thought taxi cabs would go away or cable television would crumble and go away. It's fascinating to see. And we're always on the top of new technology and trying new things. You know, I left DirecTV and went to ESPN+. And, you know, when you make these decisions, it's scary at the time, but one of the greatest decisions I ever made. My relationship with ESPN over the last seven years has been amazing. You know, we had our bumps and bruises in the beginning of figuring out how to work with each other, and it's been great. I have nothing but amazing relationships with ESPN.

52:20They help take us to this next level. And Fox before them and Spike TV before them.

52:27Pat McAfee:All right, Spike TV days. What a run they had. Now's not the time. Paramount Plus doing great. Spike TV had a late-night spike used to be. Slam ball. Hey, thank you for getting me through a lot of parts of my life, Spike TV. Speaking of your ESPN relationship, the ninth season of Dana White's Contender Series debuts tomorrow night exclusively on ESPN Plus. Yeah, let's go. Nine seasons. I love this show. I'm actually in Miami right now. I'm moving my daughter into school down here. She's going to the U. And, yeah, we're excited. And moving her into school. Then I fly back tomorrow for the Contender Series.

53:05The greatest show on television. I love the Contender Series. And I'm looking very forward to this next season.

53:13Pat McAfee:Also, the Contender Series is TV contracts are up in the next. I'm joking. Speaking of this Paramount Plus deal, 13 bucks for an entire month. Going to get one of the biggest fights in the cards of all time. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Dana, obviously the fight this weekend is a massive one. DDP and Kamzat, what are you expecting from the card this upcoming weekend? And how is Chicago as a whole when it comes to a venue? Awesome. You know, we haven't been to Chicago since pre-COVID, so it's good to get back. Card sold out. Main event is badass. That's going to be a fun fight. And I'm looking forward to Chicago, too.

53:50I'm keto right now. I'm probably going to jump off keto for a couple days when I get to Chicago.

53:55Pat McAfee:I think if you jump off a couple days, have maybe a little bit of that lasagna pizza there. That super deep dish pizza. Maybe do a Portilla's dog. Put ketchup on that thing so it tastes good in the entirety of it all. But keto in that game. Blue Malnati's, Gibson's. You ever eat a Gibson's steakhouse? They bring out desserts this big with a knife stuck in the top of it. It's unbelievable. Chicago, here I come. Treat yourself, Dana. Treat yourself, Dana. Even if it's keto. Yeah, you need another F it Friday back in. Yeah, come on. And I think your body will appreciate it, too. They'll be like, oh, this is what it was like.

54:28Pat McAfee:They'll fight even harder for you on the other side of keto. So big weekend this weekend. Can you tell me a little bit more information on the White House? Because that's going to be on Paramount+. That might be on CBS. You know what I mean? Think about that. Fight card from the White House, live and free on CBS, the network. Come on. Hold on now. That'd be huge. numbers of all time, which I assume is what you're dreaming of here. Alright, well, congratulations on the great success. Enjoy the U down there. I think their football team, they paid Carson Beck like$6 million or something. They're going to be good down there.

55:02Pat McAfee:It's going to be a rowdy fall. I'm coming back here for the Notre Dame Miami game, so I'll be there for that. I'm going to be becoming a Miami fan now. I'm a Hurricane. Let's not be giving too much money. They've got enough. You should look at maybe the West Virginia Mountaineers. You want to start investing in a college football team. We need you up there in West Virginia. We appreciate you. Congrats on today. Enjoy all the cigars and dessert, brother. Appreciate you guys. Thank you. $7.7 billion for selling. Nice day. Congrats, dude. That thing's going straight up and to the right. Ladies and gentlemen, Dana White.

55:35Adam Schefter:About 9 % today. Should have been... Should have bought that last week. That was a clean. Sure. Those shirts that just have the white writing small up here, I like those.

55:46Pat McAfee:Especially the deals that they just got done. That TKA group really doing it right now. They got a lot of stuff. And there's Dana on his IG story. I have a feeling today's going to be a great day. Now, that was posted. I'm not going to judge. You do whatever you got to do. 7.7 billion? That was posted after the breaking news. He should have posted on his IG story. Should have been cigar first. Then the breaking news. It was IG story, 7.7 billion. 7.7 billion. Then to him, I have a feeling today's going to be great. He's like, yeah, brother. We just saw it. I mean, it could be after he saw his daughter's dorm room and was like, wow.

56:22She got an excellent dorm room. Dying South Florida.

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57:49Pat McAfee:Hello beautiful people and welcome back to our Humble the Bone, the Thunderdome on this Overreaction Monday, August 11th, 2025. Hour 2 of the program begins right now. Football! It's fantastic and we're lucky we get a chance to chat about it. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Great dog on your chest. Thank you very much. I figured I'd wear a dog just because these Patriots are just looking like a bunch of junkyard dogs. Oh, I thought you were talking about the Cleveland Browns and Dog Pound because of what they got going on. No, I'm not. Look, I know everyone's talking about Shadour, and it's great, but little do everybody know the Browns have a 5 '8 quarterback back there that was drafted before Shadour, and his name's Dylan Gabriel.

58:31When that kid gets a chance, he's going to spin that pillow. How do you use 5 '10"? We saw him. We saw him behind his own line at the Rose Bowl. He's 5 '7". Solid. Stern. Can play? Built.

58:42Pat McAfee:Yeah, but that grass, remember? Yeah, it's all true. Pushing it down a little bit. So it's probably, they ain't going to have Rose Bowl grass everywhere around. I wish. Yeah, I think Deshaun Watson's in on the sideline there. I thought that was maybe AI created, like the Grok Imagine thing. Him wearing his own logo on his head, I thought was the most self-aware thing I've seen in a long time on that particular sideline. I appreciate it. The preseason is the greatest. You can see the little things. I'm looking at the Packers do a great job. Ty, pumped up about you. Let's go to one half of the hammer.

59:13Pat McAfee:Cowboys AP tone. Tone, what should we be talking about in our preseason that we haven't chatted about enough? Breaking news. Kind of breaking news. The first AP poll for college football just came out. Texas is your number one team in the country. Preseason AP top 25. Now, Tone is AP voter for the NFL, not for college. Texas number one in the country. I think they also have the best odds to win a national championship. Penn State number two. Congrats, James Franklin. Drew Aller and the boys. Ohio State always going to be high because the team is obviously phenomenal Clemson now is the interesting team that nobody has talked about or thought about all offseason except for Clemson fans.

59:52Pat McAfee:Now, I know the ACC has talked about it in the way that the ACC has talked about it. We love the ACC. Love everything about it, especially down there with Bill Belichick now. Come on. He's doing his thing. But the thought that Dabo is going to be back in the national conversation is great for college football. I'm happy about that. Greg McIlroy actually has Clemson as their number one team in the country, in his eyes, on his Always College Football podcast. He has Clemson as the number one overall team in the country. Tone, what are we seeing from the AP top 25? What are we seeing from McIlroy's top 25?

1:00:21Pat McAfee:What are the expectations here? So with the AP and kind of McIlroy's, the big thing to me coming into this season is there's so many question marks for a lot of these top teams. And Greg probably is Clemson at number one because there's not question marks. Cade Coleman had 43 total touchdowns, I think, last year to six interceptions. They're returning all five offensive linemen, all three of their top wide receivers. They return two defensive linemen who are going to be drafted in the top 10 of next year's draft, and a corner is going to be drafted in the first round. So there's not questions about Clemson, I don't think.

1:00:54And that boy can coach. And that boy can coach. And run. And they do the NIL. They start doing it in the NIL. They start doing the transfer pool. Penn State, there's not a lot of questions. Yes, Penn State has disappointed us a lot over the last few years, but we know who their quarterback is. We know who their coach is. We know their running backs. We know the defense is going to be really good. Ohio State loses a ton. Like, they lose their quarterback. They lose their entire defensive line. There's question marks there. Georgia's got a new quarterback coming in. Notre Dame's got a new quarterback coming in.

1:01:21Oregon, Alabama, Miami. All have new quarterbacks coming in. Like, there's a lot of questions in this top ten. So, I think when you look at the pool, or like this preseason pool, Texas, not as many question marks. Penn State, not as many question marks. Clemson, not as many question marks. And I think that's why they're the three of the top four teams.

1:01:37Pat McAfee:And we'd also like to break some news at this exact time. Coming out on Wednesday, an annual tradition about to take place. The Need to Know Gambler's Guide for College Ball,$9.99 this year. Tony, you put a lot of great work in. Congratulations. Thank you. This is the second annual. Two-time best of all. Two-time. Thank you. Two-time. We did crack in. Yeah. We were able to crack in there. Now we did have to buy a couple at the end, but we still got it past the list. Need to Know Gambler's Guide for College Ball. D-Bone went to work on the cover. Tony, you went to work on the inside. What are we going to find in this thing on Wednesday?

1:02:08So I did a preview for all 68 Power 4 conference teams. So that would be every single team in the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, and SEC. So you'll get a full-page preview on each of those teams, who's coming back, who their coach is, where their weak spots are, and breaking down the schedule, stuff like that. And then, you know, at the end, I give out about 32 best bets as far as totals for over-under for the season. There will be a bracket on who I think will make the college football playoffs. So you could also bet off of that. Heisman winner, stuff like that. So, yeah, probably it'll be about 75, 80 pages of college football breakdown.

1:02:48Why isn't South Carolina on McElroy's? Maybe it's because I just watched the SEC show, but I love Beamer. And I thought everyone was talking about Lenore Sellers being a Heisman. And then the one team that's not on McElroy's. And I think he's, I think South Carolina is 13 on the AP or 12. and South Carolina's not even in his top 25. Is that kind of one of those teams that people are either, hey, Heisman in national championship or bust? I think it's because a lot of people think Lenore Sellers is going to have to be Superman and carry the team a lot because there's not a ton of other pieces on offense.

1:03:20So it's like if Lenore Sellers has a Cam Newton run, yeah, they can do it. But if he does not, if he does not live up to the potential, then they may fall.

1:03:30Pat McAfee:Here are the Heisman Trophy odds. Odds, Arch Manning, plus six Huns. Cade Klubnick, number two overall odds alongside Nussmeier. Jeremiah Smith, Ohio State new quarterback. He's always open. You know that. Drew Aller. Obviously, I like the way their season ends. Now, granted, everybody wants to win a national championship. They're making a massive mistake in having to sleep on that. All offseason, I think, could be good for his development. Or it'll expose him as a guy that was never supposed to be. It's one way or the other up there. James Franklin, too, in that conversation. Lenore Sellers. Ty Simpson.

1:03:56Pat McAfee:Carson Beck, plus 2 ,000. DJ Lagway plus 2 ,200 down there. Hammer it. Why is that? Did you see the cover of the Need to Know Gamblers guy? I did. I don't know if you saw that. Did you see the graphic down there?

1:04:13Adam Schefter:Great job up on there.

1:04:14Pat McAfee:Yeah, it is a great job. Just a little bit in front.

1:04:17Adam Schefter:Two dogs. Just a little bit in front of the other. Top four? Yeah, absolutely. He's got thighs for arms. Lagway? Yeah. Florida is a major part of that SEC show, and a lot of it's Lagway and Billy Napier, and Lagway is one big son of a bitch.

1:04:37Pat McAfee:Teams that aren't on there are probably pretty bummed out. Like, for instance, West Virginia, I assume, would just be in the top 25 because of Rich Rod's aura. It is all the way back. Now, this was ripped off of somebody that was ripped off of somebody that was ripped off of somebody. But what was happening here is Rich Rod was ripping the shit out of somebody, and that particular somebody was the guy wearing the stripes. I think. This has not been confirmed, but I've seen this particular action before. And he'll really give the tell at the end here because the guy in the stripes fucks up again.

1:05:04Pat McAfee:And then he has to raise his hands and say, we're going in. We're going in. Okay, so what happened here? Just a little explanation. Pause. Okay, that's stripes right there. Okay, that's an equipment manager. That person wears the stripes, everything like that. He used to spot the ball for the drills. Okay. Rich Rodriguez's old mantra used to be spot the ball. We had it on shirts. I think the West Virginia University people used to promote it. West Virginia football, spot the ball. The statement was spot the ball and get the fuck out of the way. That is what the actual mantra was. And it was to refs.

1:05:38Pat McAfee:We're going to tell these refs to spot the ball and get the fuck out of the way because we're running fast and we're beating people up. So the equipment manager has to be the ref. Need you to spot the ball. You got a script. okay i think what happened here now continue playing a little bit and paul this guy just creeped in he's in charge okay of making sure equipment manager did good so they are both definitely definitely getting right now because he said i'm sick and tired of having to coach everybody on the field he's talking to him but he's also burying stripes over there he's burying them and just right in front of him seen this before it is a fantastic um fantastic wizardry of words is what Rich Rod's able to do.

1:06:20Pat McAfee:And the fact that he still is this fired up about a ball being spotted is a magical thing. A great idea on your part for the book is I got a quote from the head coach on every single team on kind of what they're kind of looking for this year. Rich Rod's quote from the book. I don't know what the last couple of years' stats were. Our goal is to be the fastest playing team in the country as far as ball getting snapped goes. Boom. Spot the ball. Yeah, and that stripes right there, that equipment manager, is a vital piece of the entire operation. Defense aside, too. Like, hey, you gotta get that ball spotted.

1:06:53Pat McAfee:We got D1 athletes, okay? We're paying these dogs here to be here. You, equipment manager, maybe never played in your life. Okay? You gotta get in there and get the hell out of the way while these dudes are exhausted, puking, running at each other. Spot the ball, get the fuck out of the way. And I think he's gonna learn. You know, this ain't Neil Brown's operation. Okay? He might have been a little bit of a carryover. But the West Virginia Montaneers, maybe Maybe this year, I mean, with what I'm seeing. Maybe this year. I'm thinking two years, whenever we get the full culture in there. Greg McIlroy ain't going to help himself to put us up there at top 10.

1:07:24Pat McAfee:Could be IU. Could be this year's IU. Strictly from Rich Rod's aura. I mean, it is a damn shame, though, because. Nah, we didn't have 13 million. Didn't IU have 13, 14 million or something like that? Yeah, I will tell you, I know personally that we did not have that amount of money. Yeah, I mean. I know. I almost know exactly how much money. Go ahead. If he had GG last year, there's a chance, you know, West Virginia wins the national championship of what we're seeing out of him this year. Listen, Garrett Green is running wild, brother, at wide receiver for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Whoa. Yeah.

1:07:51Pat McAfee:And Garrett Green was a lightning rod for us. Obviously, we didn't win as many games as everybody thought we should, so Garrett Green's going to take the brunt of that at West Virginia. I don't think it was Garrett Green's fault ever. He was on a show. He's a dog. He's playing new slot white wide receiver guy, and he's doing it. New Edelman? Yeah, kind of. I'd be. Yeah, look out. And you see him finding holes, too, looking for the quarterback. It's like there is an advantage to being quarterback and then rolling into wide receiver. Now he's not the tallest. I don't think anybody's ever going to call him that.

1:08:20Pat McAfee:But he's a dog. He did a lot of great things for West Virginia. And people were saying, yeah, if Rich Rod had Garrett Green at quarterback, I mean, there's a chance we go. People were also saying Nico Matzaro could throw the ball. Spaghetts. If we would have had spaghetts and Garrett Green at slot, and maybe a running back there, maybe we were able to do our thing. But Garrett Green was such a good leader. He had all the boys over at the house, remember? Sure, that's right. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J.

1:08:47Pat McAfee:Hawker. Hawker, like that we're still growing the hair. You look amazing. How do we feel about West Virginia not being in the top ten of either of these? And how do you feel about Ohio State being top three when we don't even really know how it's going to go? We just assume they're going to be great. That has to be a great compliment to the people of Ohio. Yeah, I guess. I'm sure people are upset that they're not number one. But, you know, I think we've talked about preseason polls in the past. I don't know. I don't understand them. I get we talk about it. I understand why they're here, but it doesn't matter.

1:09:17Who cares? Whatever you are, use this motivation to try to get to the top. Like, if you're Texas, say, great, we deserve to be here. If you're Clemson, you're Ohio State, say, hey, we should be number one. Let's go out there and prove it.

1:09:27Pat McAfee:Yeah, the thought of Clemson being back in the convo was kind of, like, startling over the last couple weeks as we're doing research to get back into the season, you know. Like, wow, people high on Clemson. Completely forgot people were high on Clemson. Like, that was a little bit of a take. Then as I start reading it and then you start putting the stats together, it's like, and that boy's getting back. I like the dabos getting back into the national conversation. And a lot of it, with all due respect to the teams in the ACC, is there's not a lot of other teams. ACC stinks. Yeah, and that's why Clemson last year was just a nothing because they lost to Georgia Week 1, 31-nothing, and then Miami was the ACC team.

1:10:05And then just the last two weeks it turned into Clemson. Now that the AP is out, you're saying that Week 1 brought it up. Three top ten games in Week 1. You have Texas, Ohio State, LSU, and Clemson. And then Miami and Notre Dame is on Sunday. So that will be your three top ten games week one.

1:10:24Pat McAfee:College football is so close. Just a couple weeks and we'll be over there in Columbus, Ohio. Yeah. Cannot wait to get over there, get back in the swing of things. We'll be Lee Corso's last head game. That's right. I think that's going to be a pretty emotional show. I would assume so. I would assume that's going to be a lot of different call-ins or show-ups, messages. Cameo. Yeah, there it is. That's the thing. You just turned 90? Happy birthday. That was incredible. I get an email. Hey, Coach Corso's turning 90. If you guys want to say anything. I'm literally just walking. As I'm walking on the beach, it sounds so...

1:10:59Pat McAfee:I live that life now, though. You should see me walking that beach. I fucking love it. Yeah, vacations are for me. It is great. I mean, I'm on cloud 1 ,000 up there walking that thing. And I get an email. Hey, Coach Corso's turned 90. If anyone wants to say anything. I do. From everything in this ocean, brother. Because the amount of times I thought, we know nothing about it. The Bermuda Triangle was right out from where we were. From where we were. Don't go. The Bermuda Triangle is right out there. People are like, hey, you look right out there. That's where the Bermuda Triangle is. So I look up the Bermuda Triangle.

1:11:28Pat McAfee:It's like over a million square miles or something like that. And then I ask Grok. I said, Grok, tell me about Bermuda Triangle. What's going on? Grok basically says, it's all bullshit. Don't worry about it. No, no. Yeah, that's what Grok told me. And I'm looking out there. I don't look like bullshit to me. It looks pretty real out there, everything I'm seeing. It's crazy when you look at the ocean. Like how small. Oh, yeah. If the Earth's so round, why can't you see it bend? What, the ocean? Yeah. I don't know if I have good enough eyes. I don't know. Do you have good enough eyes? Maybe. The ocean's vast is what I'm saying.

1:12:03Pat McAfee:It's so big. I know. That's why it would be hard. It goes as far as the eye can see. That's what they say. They say the earth after what? One mile? One and a half miles? Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Flat Earther and ESPN pundit, man who just signed a new deal this offseason. We can't wait to watch him on our TVs every single moment, and we'll help contribute to that by adding him on our show. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Roloski. World's round, Dan. World's round. Yeah, I've been seeing a lot more stuff. I don't know my algorithm of people who truly believe the earth isn't round yeah yeah sphere yeah and it's not just your algorithm i think we give too much credit to algorithms as a whole we think algorithms are snowflakes and all individual for everybody we're all seeing the same videos yeah yeah it's a problem right we're all seeing the same stuff some of them are bad they're just picking and choosing what we all see i think yeah which is an interesting uh that's an interesting place to be i can think about that ai pretty powerful other countries do that too yeah dude because we'll all come in here and be like wow a lot of murders on sex this weekend.

1:13:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, so I didn't ask for it. I know. Does it make you guys think? It makes me for a second be like... Nice. What? You want to go kill somebody? I've done that too, that exact same thing. What does it make you want to think, Dan? It just makes me think like, maybe? Am I not smart? Simulation. Maybe? Okay, Dan. Well, God bless you, and obviously there's a reason for everything. We understand that. But our algorithms need to lock it up, I would say. Dan, how much you doing college ball these days? I know you're big NFL guys commentating, aren't you? Oh, yeah. Commentating NFL games.

1:13:46Pat McAfee:You still do any college stuff? Because the first AP poll comes out, and obviously Texas is at number one. Clemson rounds out the top four with two Big Ten teams sandwiched in there. Georgia, people forget about the dogs down there. They still do Bloody Tuesdays or whatever it is with Kirby Smart. And I believe Gunnar could be a dog. I think we all believe in him. Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame going to be in the top 10 conversation every year. I think that's just how this is going to go until Marcus Freeman is no longer there. Oregon as well, same conversation. Alabama has more five stars next year than anybody else in the country except for Oregon, right?

1:14:16Pat McAfee:I believe it's Oregon. I think it's Oregon and Alabama had the most five stars. So it feels like the Kalen DeBoer era with Grubb as the offensive coordinator, and I remember didn't have him last year, could just continue Alabama's success even though nobody's really expecting shit from the Crimson Tide down there. What are your thoughts, Dan, on how we kind of currently sit? And no West Virginia in the top 25 of either the AP or Greg McIlroy. Kind of confusing. Yeah, maybe they need bigger donors. Yeah, still all over college football. I'm still part of it weekly for us. That first weekend is going to be amazing.

1:14:51I think about it, like, to your point, Clemson, I think some of the teams that I find, like, super interesting is LSU. one have we heard anything about maybe you guys know more like I saw all over the internet last week of Nussmeyer and he's injured and I saw some reports I was like God I hope that's not true is he healthy is he not so I think Illinois is a team that like can throw everything we don't need an answer okay you didn't want

1:15:17Pat McAfee:an actual answer that's on us that was a rhetorical question we misread it you're in a call what are we answering and asking questions now what the hell well I don't know that's on what is the official report it sounded like you didn't want to know So Twitter was burning. Everyone was reporting that it was like a torn ACL, blah, blah, blah. And the actual reporters came out. Jacob Hester, I believe he was at practice or whatever, former LSU great, said, no, he's fine, everything's fine. I believe he just bumped a knee with a defensive lineman. Might be like a knee bruise type situation. I believe I saw a report that he has a sleeve on it, but he's back at practice.

1:15:50So I think major injury avoided in that situation. Okay. Okay. So I think they're interesting because Gus Nussmeyer for me is the best quarterback in America. You know, Sellers is crazy talented and he can play himself into that conversation. Pubnick, really good year. Can he do it again? I think they're more talented on the outside of Clemson than they've been in a couple years. But LSU just, that game is going to be awesome. I think Illinois is a team that like could just throw it all for a loop. just get the style of football that they play defensively. They're going to be outstanding. That's kind of become a calling part of them, but just the old school style of football that they play.

1:16:35Penn state is the best Penn state team James Franklin's ever had. Now there's another guy that I think there's a camp that sits there and I'm in this camp that goes, man, if he gets it together and just continues his development, and Penn State will be in the playoff and he could become the number one pick in the NFL draft. And then there's a camp of Aller will never put it together. He's always just the big, tall, athletic dude that maybe doesn't become the complete quarterback. So I'm all about college football. Arch Manning, how good is he? So that first weekend is going to be awesome.

1:17:10Pat McAfee:I've heard some people that I have a lot of respect for say that they think Arch Manning probably sixth or seventh best quarterback in the SEC. We'll see. We'll see how that goes. I don't think that's the case. There's a reason he's number one for Heisman, I think. And I think we all need to remember. He got concussed last year. Stood right back up. Didn't let anybody know about it. Might have a celebrity last name. But I feel it. He's got blue collar work ethic out there. He's an all-brow player. Yeah, he is. All-brow every time. All-time. Especially whenever you have that name, people are going to buzz.

1:17:42Pat McAfee:Can't wait for college football to get back. Should be a fantastic start. Now, let's talk NFL ball. Feels like you did a lot of research and did a lot of judging. You know, we had top tens for everything. Top ten for mechanics. Top ten for ball placement. Top ten for arm strength. Top ten for great legs. Top ten for all this stuff. You had top tens across the board for ESPN.com. Massive respect for the amount of work you put in. Also, appreciate you feeling as if you could be the authority on this entirety thing. Darius Butler has a question for you.

1:18:09Adam Schefter:Yeah, Dan, first of all, beard looks great. This is one of my favorite lists I look forward to going into the season. I want to know, were there any surprises going into this? and Jared Goff, I feel like, used to be one of your guys. Why does it seem like you hate him now? You get a new shaft yet? Driver. What am I using? Can you put some context to that? You have surgery? Yeah, come on. College team. Yeah, you come on.

1:18:34Pat McAfee:Cheeks, guys. What's going on? What happened to your shaft?

1:18:38Adam Schefter:Okay, so I posted a picture. Got a sore shaft. The shaft. The driver's shaft was a little bent. Oh, Jesus. Hey, you know, he told me to get a steal. I'm like, why do you use a steal? I just want to let you know. A steal shaft?

1:18:53Pat McAfee:I did not know what we were talking about there. I had no idea. Jeez, Dan. A lot of shafts, all cut. A lot of shafts. Golf is great. Should have just answered the question. Golf is great. Golf is great. Top 10 shaft. So. And your top 10 or? So here's the. It's a good question. Here's the. Here's kind of like the conversation around the top 10 list. So. first of all jared goff champion got it yeah is that what you say no no it's a great season no second year i love jared hey um so second year that they've asked me to do this um and it's a bunch of different categories that you guys have taught i'm being serious here that you guys have talked about so you know like there a lot of times the top four are kind of like any mix of josh Lamar, Joe and Patrick.

1:19:40And then, you know, there's, I'm of the group that still think that there's 10 or 12, like other, just really, really good quarterbacks in the league right now. And so I put a list of 10 and then it's a conversation of like, Hey, you don't have Justin Herbert in there. I'm like, man, Herbert should be in there. And then, so it's like, okay, well, who could I take out? And then, man, you don't have Jared Goff in that one. Well, who can I take out? Or, you know, there, there's no Dak in there. So it's like, there are moments when I try to give love to a guy um that I think is probably worthy of being in that top 10 but it's like I can't take somebody else out and so there's a there is a little bit of like puzzle piece fitting because you know trying to just be respectful of so many different guys

1:20:26Pat McAfee:and it's like so we're playing politics yeah so we put Jared Goff in one of the top 10s yeah and I'll tell you what Detroit noticed Dan that thing wasn't out for more than maybe I don't know 30 seconds on each one, five, maybe three and a half minutes. And Detroit was like, oh, here we go again. Dan Orlowski. Dan, I was pissed off. One of the best offenses in the league last year. Top five quarterback in the league last year. I mean, decision making with the football, ball placement. There's so many things that Jared Goff does great. And he didn't even have him on there. Did Aaron lose his mechanics?

1:20:57Pat McAfee:His arm got chopped off, actually. He's got to work with Artie Smith. Yeah, he plays with Steelers and Artie so he can't be on the list. So his mechanics might be bad. Yeah, I understand. Because they say his form actually is like the mechanics. Sorry, though. Sorry. We got a lot of names. Sorry, you want your quarterback to throw. We got a lot of good players. Yeah, it's making a top ten list with so many quarterbacks. It's tough, man. It's tough. It's tough. I didn't even realize it today until the end of first take. They were like, you don't even have Mahomes and top ten mechanics. And I was like, fudge.

1:21:34I'm not going to talk my way out of that one. Fine.

1:21:38Pat McAfee:Listen, every once in a while, you've got to slide a six and a seven out to get some 12 and 13 and some other one in there. Because I'm going to see these people. I'm going to see these mechanics. I'll tell you what. Aaron did forget how to throw. So I do respect that. What do they call them? The greatest ball to heart? Yeah, but he's got some extra weight now. Yeah, you're right. Artie Smith. Is that what it is? Maybe. Oh, you're talking about being married? I don't know. AJ, you tell me, do you think Dan Orlovsky doesn't think he can throw anymore because he's married? I don't know, Dan. Is that what you're hinting at?

1:22:13Pat McAfee:Dan, you think it's the wedding ring on the left hand? His mechanics? Is that what happened to Dan? Not focused on ball or what? Not going to be able to do it? His mechanics? Just not? I don't have a good explanation for not having him on there. I don't. I don't have a good explanation. I don't have a good explanation for that one I love it I'm not blaming it on the marriage though I'm not blaming it on the marriage We appreciate you doing all the work and just putting yourself out there to do this because all we do is literally what we just did everybody does that as soon as they look at your list and you know that your shins are just in every single different room what does Dan know oh he put us at 1 at this one can't even get to that because you put him at 3 at this one they don't have to know shit and then Pittsburgh hates you Detroit hates you I mean, there's some pretty active shit-talking cities.

1:23:03Pat McAfee:Let alone what you said about Jalen last time. We're not going to get into it. We're not going to get into it, but we appreciate you swinging the bat. What did I say about Jalen? You're on a beach. I already forgot. Yeah, yeah, it was a good day. It was a good day. It was a good day. We had a great day. Speaking of a great day, let's talk about a great night, especially in Cleveland. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Dano, I'm actually around a lot of Cleveland Brown fans, and leading up to their first preseason game on Friday, A bunch of the fans told me, hey, this is our Super Bowl tonight. Shador is going to get a lot of time.

1:23:33We want to see what he is able to do. I know you guys have gone over and over this. He played very well. I was very impressed, actually, by his presence, how he had a command in the huddle, his confidence on the field. But what do you make of this? And how different is a defense in, say, the first or second preseason game, say, to the first or second regular season game? What kind of different looks will they give you as a quarterback? Great question. Yeah, so, like, you know, going into these games, you guys obviously experienced it, and then hear a lot of people talk about how he handles it, how he operates, you know, the pre-snap communication, post-snap execution.

1:24:09Does he look like he's, you know, seeing everything clearly? And, like, that is said because it matters. And that was one of the things that stood out was just how comfortable he looked in and out of the huddle. There's multiple times where he's sticking his hand up at the line of scrimmage, talking to his receivers like, hey, you're good. Don't worry about any blitzes. Our protections are fine. So when I watch that, it tells me he's understanding what he's looking at. That matters. A big deal. I think the thing that one of the things that I took away was he was pretty aggressive with the football.

1:24:44That tells me confidence. Again, he's seeing how rotation happens. Now, he saw a lot of, you know, backside safety drop down man coverage. So that you're not going to see, like, you'll see that in the league, obviously a ton. He didn't see a ton of pressures. He didn't see a ton of blitzes. You know, some of the stuff that some other quarterbacks saw, like Seattle was throwing Star Wars stuff at Geno Smith. So, you know, he didn't see that. But I do think that you walk away going, man, the operation was clean. He looked comfortable. You saw athleticism. The decision-making was spot on. He had two or three drops even in the midst of the stat line.

1:25:26So, you know, this plays awesome to me because it shows reaction. He remains a pastor. He doesn't bail. He stays in that really good pocket of throwing presence. And then the throw, the ball placement, face mask or higher, belt buckle or lower down in the red zone. And this one's belt buckle or lower to protect that guy. So here's my thing. All reports in training camp have been overwhelmingly positive with Shadour. Like, hey, another good day for Shadour. Then he gets in the game. He plays really well. At some point, the Browns are going to have to sit there and go, we got to get him more reps against better competition with more of our higher-end talent.

1:26:05I've been in the camp, start one of the rookies, and it gets really hard to not walk in there this week and be like, let's get him reps versus the ones with the ones and see what it looks like. It's time.

1:26:16Adam Schefter:It is time. Put your watch up, Dan, if you believe. Dan, put it up.

1:26:21Pat McAfee:Yes. Apple Watch. Somebody sent him a text. Somebody sent him a text. It'll pop up right there. Those rings aren't even close to being closed. They'll say something terrible. Yeah, you got to maybe do some more steps. You got to stand up. Be healthy. Dan, I like everything you're saying there. And we had an all-bra team. I don't know if you saw that. Bruh. Because it's bruh. Great work out there. But also, bruh. It's preseason. Bruh. It's better than playing ass. I can't say that enough. These guys have played good, and people just want to mock and ridicule them for its play. It's like, what are they supposed to do?

1:26:52Pat McAfee:Play like shit, and then what? So I think we should celebrate it, but we do got to keep it in perspective. Bruh, Myles Garrett was sitting on his sideline. Myles Garrett and Shador actually had a conversation after Shador's time. Great interaction. Myles and he seemed to get along well, which is good play by Shador to win over Myles. And also, Myles probably the same way. And Shador asked Myles if he thought his little spin shit could work on him that he was doing against the guys that were out there. And Miles was like, come on, man. Come on, come on, come on. Like, basically, like, relax. And then I think they both said that was some shitty DN play out there.

1:27:23Pat McAfee:It was like, yeah, it's preseason football. But once again, not Shador's fault. This is the only opportunity he's getting to play out there. Interesting situation for the Cleveland Browns. Maybe they're good. Now let's stay in the state of Ohio, shall we? Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Last shot wagon. By the way, it's kind of like a punch. Yeah! You know, you could do like a big uppercut. Wow! Perfect soccer. Yeah, it is like a soccer thing. Now, I wear watch on left hand because I am righty. Yeah, same. But he puts right hand up, I think, his, if you looked at the – We can't do left hand up. I go righty, righty, too.

1:27:55Pat McAfee:Well, you put watch on right hand, don't you? Are you lefty?

1:27:58Adam Schefter:No, I'm righty. But I don't follow the rules. Okay. I like that. Good for you. Good for you. Screw society, man. There's no rules on watches.

1:28:06Pat McAfee:Yeah, I want to look. You know what's more natural? Fucking right there. Boom. That is what I – and also now, bang. Yeah. And also now, really just – What time? I don't even know if this one has the right time on it. You're going to have to certainly look at that, figure that out, because I've been told I can't reset it. That sounds like a waste of money. No, you can. No, it's a fucking math equation. I've got to do the thing. It's a little time consuming. You can do it. Maybe I put it on my right hand. I thought they said it once, then you're not allowed to touch it. Well, it just doesn't take talk.

1:28:35Pat McAfee:It keeps going. But the thing about it is whenever it falls back an hour or it goes forward an hour, this fucker doesn't know. We need to get rid of that. It's got no heads up. I thought we were getting it. Yeah, we do. Yeah. Which one do we get? You want to get rid of it, Dan? Yeah. Daylight savings time thing? Yeah. Get rid of the one that we do in the fall. Just stay where we're at right now. You don't want to fall back, yeah. We like springing forward. I agree. I agree. I think you spring forward and then it's over. Which is where we would be right now. I just want to help the farmers. I was going to say, farmers aren't going to be happy about that.

1:29:06No big deal, though.

1:29:07Pat McAfee:I don't think that actually, right? Haven't the farmers come out? Oh, you guys don't care about the farmers, huh? I thought they were in military time. I think there's been some farmers that have come out and said, like. I don't think it matters. They operate on their own time. I don't think it matters. They don't get it done. Because they'll take tractor and another ride. Another ride. And another ride. No matter what time it is on Dan Orlovsky's Apple Watch. That's right. Exactly. You know, they will certainly go and do that. They always remember when. What's that? The A.J. Hawk light. Oh, the headlamp.

1:29:38Pat McAfee:Yeah. The headlamp. The headlamp. Right. Like the guys who were fishing outside my house had. Yep. 11.30. I thought they had spotlights. Spotlight in my house. Yeah, taped to their head. Yeah, they weren't even, they had those things up there. How you doing? You're waking the babe. Yeah. You're spotlighting my house right now. It looks like I'm getting swatted. You know? That's what it feels like. Sorry, just trying to catch some bass. Yeah, I get it. I've seen too many movies with flashlights coming in through windows to know what's going on. Just get back to quarterback conversation with Dan Orlovsky, which is his specialty.

1:30:05Pat McAfee:The guy is the expert. The guy is the expert. Top 10 in everything. Yeah, it's the best. If you want to know what a quarterback, he's got him in the top 10, top third of the league. Now, Jared Goff can't crack in. Aaron Rodgers can't crack in. Anthony Richardson, Danny Dimes can't crack in, which I don't love. But there's some other quarterbacks that are on there as well. Go ahead, Ty. Dan, let's stick in the same draft class as Shadur. Why do you think that there has been next to no fanfare for Cam Ward still? That was kind of the talk of the draft. Like, hey, no one's talking about this guy.

1:30:35He's unbelievable. And I guess I really haven't seen much of him from neither training camp or, you know, from his game this week. What are you hearing and what are you seeing from Cam Ward thus far? Yeah, I don't know why. I mean, I think there is a little bit of, you know, there was so much attention on Shadour in the draft process. And it was kind of like the foregone conclusion of him going one. I would tell you just watching the game the other night, I think that he settled in early on. You could just see sped up, you know, but he settled in in that second quarter and had some really good connections to Calvin Ridley.

1:31:13This is a great throw on the crossing route. I think the things that I liked watching week one preseason wise seemed like he had good eyes. You know, he confirms that shallow crosses get carried by that or with that corner versus main coverage. That's a beautiful crossing throw. There's a ball over the middle of the field. This one that comes twitchy, drop down coverage. He sees the vacancy in the zone. ball comes out now those are some of his traits coming out of college that you liked i think that the thing that i did see that's probably happened like three or four times in the game that you walk away with tape is we got to get him to like play a little slower and have a little bit more structure within his within his feet i think that he's one of those quarterbacks that you know has the ability to make a lot of different throws when his feet aren't set his body could be in unique positions because the arm is so talented, but he relied on that too much.

1:32:06You know, there's a ball he almost throws for an interception that almost gets picked off, and it's like his mechanics, his feet are all over the place, and he's parallel to the line of scrimmage. So that's why these snaps are meaningful for these guys. So I think that you walk away encouraged by some of the things that he did post-snap while also sitting there and just harping on, hey, let's mechanically get more consistent. We don't have to fall back on throws. We don't even like this out route It's completed But it's not a perfect throw And if you look at the throw His feet are slipping all over the place So I just think The more reps he'll get to be more comfortable It's going to be better Look at his feet here He's falling away from that You can see his upper body He could be moving away I want that ball to be just pulling that guy to the sideline

1:32:56Pat McAfee:I think he's a baller I think he is a gamer I think he's a baller. I think he's a dog. But I think with that, there comes a lot of things, like attention to detail and the footwork for a lot of time for Cam probably hasn't been a must for him. Let's do other things. And also, I see that elbow moving a lot. It feels like that is a little bit of – I assume all this will develop as he continues in the league. Are most quarterbacks from year one to year four – I know the Josh Allen story is a very real one. Cam's only going to get better, right? All the things because his moxie, he walks into the University of Miami, everybody there says this is the guy he walks into nashville down there music city and you hear ridley like he walks in the room and it's just like we got a guy yeah you know everything else he can work on right that's how we feel oh totally yeah i mean that the the character is off the charts the person and the mindset is off the charts and there's also a ton of physical talent there so you know you need to remember this guy you know let's i don't know exactly what you know the offensive style that he played in at Carnet Ward, but at Washington State, it was Chuck and Duck, man.

1:34:02So like those offenses aren't necessarily teaching a ton about footwork and whatnot. And so then he goes to Miami and it's a little bit of the same stuff. And so go back to when Caleb was coming out of school two years ago. There's a little bit of that there, you know, where it's like there he probably hasn't had to be hyper focused on footwork and you know hitches and the the balance of it all and so that that's going to come because everyone raves about this young man's footwork like even that ball that ball should be out a hitch and a half to two inches sooner you know calvin's running across or over the middle of the field the protection's flawless so get it but that'll come you just that that that's all going to come with reps yeah and i

1:34:44Pat McAfee:People are going to hear what we're saying and saying his footwork and this is going to have to get better. And they're thinking to themselves, well, he's had a lot of success already. He's number one overall pick. It's like every position, once you get to the NFL, it's all about the details. It's all about the tiny little things. Like for me, punting, it was in my drop, like learning how to drop. I had to stand at my bed at night and just drop this thing like a thousand times so that it would drop flat. It's like all the little tiny things they can continue to improve on. And everything said about Cam Ward is that he will.

1:35:12Pat McAfee:and I don't love that for the AFC South. Okay, I want to let that be enough. We know Houston's got what they got. Jacksonville's got a kicker that's hitting 70-yard field goal snap, hold, kick, live. Absurd. Bruh, that's preseason. Bruh, that is so far. That is so far. Legit. Everybody makes sense to me. So far. That is unbelievable. Like, I saw that and I'm like, my tweet was, this is legendary, just strictly because it is. Like, everybody dreams of an opportunity to get a 70-yard, like a kick. But to make it, like I had a 66-yarder, I think, in preseason, pulled it left. So bummed. Never going to get that shot again.

1:35:47Pat McAfee:But I'd make that kick. I feel very good about my life forever. Cam Little hits a 70-yard field goal. Who cares if it's preseason or not? I don't like the vibes down here. Yeah, no extra steps, too. Like Tucker's 66 against the Lions in the game, technically, so maybe that was the difference. He had that extra step. Little was just two steps and a swing. What a kick. And he's not a gigantic human. Yeah, I don't know how he did it. I honestly have – and I think he was perfect on extra points whenever he was at Arkansas because normally if you have a big leg, every once in a while you get a little bit out of control.

1:36:17Pat McAfee:Seems to be, I don't want to say undersized, but he doesn't look like he is a gigantic Cuban. Anyways, around the AFC South, everybody's really doing it. Here in Indy, I don't know if you've heard, Dan, we've got good competition going. Boys are battling. What are your thoughts? I was disappointed that Anthony had that play. What play? Whose fault was it? this is on the quarterback no I read I read from Connor and I read from a lot of people on the internet that this was not on this entire can I speak from outsider who doesn't have the highest football IQ on earth but been very lucky to be in a lot of rooms where it happened so I think by osmosis I've picked it up this is something that if you were to play a lot of football you would know hey this is the guy And then this is potentially 30, 40-yard gain as opposed to dislocated pinky.

1:37:12Pat McAfee:That's certainly close. He's still on you. Yes. But that thing, he's still taking a hit, probably falling down, if I had to guess. Yes. But that is going to the running back and going, right? And that's just something that, like, just naturally comes whenever that type of shit starts taking place. Am I reading it accurately? Yeah. So let's nerd out a little bit here. So let's do it. This is, it's second and ten, okay? This is a relatively basic pass protection concept. It's only five people blocking. So the running back has no responsibility. The guard, the left tackle, left guard in the center are responsible for the left defensive tackle, the left defensive end, the Mike linebacker.

1:37:48So the guy that is standing on in between the hashes, not him, him. They're responsible for him. And then the nickel defender. Okay. The nickel. Okay. Go to the. Yep. So there's four guys there, right? You got the nickel, the defensive end, the defensive tackle, and the Mike linebacker. the center left guard and left tackle are responsible for three of those four whatever three it doesn't matter what of the three if any three of that four come they're protected if four i'm on that side that's on the quarterback okay and that's why when anthony catches it if you guys play it anthony catches it anthony just stares left because he's thinking the nickel might be a pressure guy because looking over your right shoulder pat that safety's right there yep that's called being capped off so that a lot of times when that nickel is pressed and the safety right on the logo is over the top you're like okay that nickel can be a pressure guy so i can understand anthony looking at that nickel guy and saying if he pressures that could be a problem the problem starts backside rewind it okay so now right guard right tackle they're responsible for right defensive end, right defensive tackle, and that backside linebacker.

1:38:58Any two of those three. Any two. So if any two come, we're protected. If all three pressure, that's a problem. Now what happens is you teach your offensive tackle. If that linebacker triggers, he's closer to the quarterback than the defensive end.

1:39:21MDM. Most dangerous man he's probably saying.

1:39:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, which is normally inside Yeah, close to the easiest pass for the QB. Yes, got it. Yes, most dangerous guy. That's called a squeeze. So, like, that tackle is doing the right thing, and quarterback has to know that defensive end is unblocked. So the simple part of that is, yes, that's on the quarterback. I do think it's just hard. The quarterback has to see both sides here, right? So the coaching point is really, Anthony, I don't want you to look left. And I don't want you to look right. I need you to see down the field and feel the color on either side. Feel that. So while I understand Anthony's telling me, I know my left is a problem.

1:40:06He's also telling me, I don't think my right is. And that's where, as a coach, you would have to sit there and go, I got to trust you to be able to handle this. And my comparison has been this. Yeah, yeah. And know what your – every snap, there's a problem. Every snap. There is a problem, and you have to know the answer to that problem. Every single snap, and my comp has been this, guys. AFC championship game last year, the last play of the game when Josh Allen's running for his life and ball flutters in the air and whatnot, that's a Star Wars problem. If you get that, you're Drew Brees. That's all-world stuff.

1:40:46This one, if you're going to start in the NFL and it's second and 10, you've got to be able to know what that problem is and what the answer is.

1:40:55Pat McAfee:Okay, well, hopefully this will be a learning lesson. I appreciate that he bounced up. Okay, he wasn't out. He's been practicing. He had a dislocated pinky. It was ugly. They fixed it. He moves on. Hopefully this is something he can continue to learn from. You've said it twice now, Star Wars stuff, Star Wars stuff. You said Seattle sent Star Wars stuff at Geno Smith. Was that the sign pregame? Was that the sign? Is that Star Wars stuff you're saying? Like, man, this is Star Wars stuff. Go fourth yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, may the fourth not be with anybody. here you know like that type of stuff is that what you were saying there or you're saying no i didn't i didn't see the sign i saw that gino like did he gave somebody double birds yeah and pete carroll actually had his back it crosby followed suit as well which i respect and appreciate gino gave a lot of good years in seattle uh bigger boss gino smith or jamarcus russell that's what the sign said it was mean and then yeah there it is bigger boss gino jamarcus russell and then um pete carroll goes to grab it.

1:41:50Pat McAfee:Oh, shit. Yeah, Pete Carroll was... That guy's always there. That guy's always there at Seahawks game. Sign man, sign man. Yeah, that's his thing. And then Pete Carroll was asked about it after the game. He said, did you read the sign? Okay, I had nothing else to say, but I used to say him right here.

1:42:04Adam Schefter:Phil Smith was seen at the Seahawks game making an obscene gesture like at a van with a sign. I don't know yet. Did you see what the sign said? Yeah, I saw it. Next one. Love that.

1:42:15Pat McAfee:Peace. How about the journalist, though? Obscene gesture. Obscene gesture. the kids watch coming out here is that okay i love her but that was not the star wars stuff you're talking about what are you talking about star wars stuff you've said it multiple times now exotics or what oh exotic yeah i know when yes when exotic like i i think mike martz was the first person to stay say star wars stuff around me maybe but uh you know star wars outer space and you're like you're seeing all these different parts yeah ghosts you're seeing this world uh Let's talk about one of these Star Wars guys that plays football.

1:42:49Pat McAfee:We've learned more about quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals. Go ahead, AP Tone. Yeah, Joe B. He's a bit spacey, and he's also very, very good. He was in a lot of your top ten list. He's playing early in this preseason. Bengals are notably slow starters week one, week two. Him and Jamar looked like, I don't know, like they didn't have an offseason. Do you like the Bengals and Joe playing early, and do you think it matters because, I mean, Tanner McKee looked like Tom Brady? Yeah, McKee looks like a trade potential for somebody at some point. Yeah, I like the fact that they're playing. I've actually become a little bit warmer, the guys playing in the preseason in the past.

1:43:27I don't know if it's because later games or the quality of the conferences seem to be so high, specifically the NFC. So I like the fact that they're playing. I would probably play them a little bit in the second game as well. and like yes but also did you see the defense I mean the defense looked just as bad as last year some of the running lanes were just I counted probably like 7 or 8 snaps that the Bengals had multiple defensive linemen in the wrong gap so I do like the fact that they're playing them but the defense still remains a massive massive massive issue in Cincinnati.

1:44:08Pat McAfee:Do we know if Mike Brown's I paid you guys 300 million bucks. You're going to play all the fucking games. Okay. Preseason, postseason, offseason. You're playing all the games out there. Will the Bengals be able to stop anybody? Who knows? Will they be on primetime television a lot because it's going to be electrifying? Yeah. Absolutely. Can't wait to watch the Bengals, especially in that environment. That place is a great home field advantage over there in the jungle. It's getting an upgrade, I believe, too, right? Didn't they agree to do an upgrade to the jungle over there? Beautiful thing. Beautiful town.

1:44:34Pat McAfee:Hopefully a great team in the Bengals. We can't wait to watch them. Shador talks about a lot. But there's another rookie that we think has a lot of moxies. Well, go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Dan, something you never do is go back and kind of take a victory lap for your take. So I just want to say, you know, Jackson Dart was one of your guys, and he came out spinning the pill the other day. What did you see out of him? And do you think that Russell is going to get a lot of time? Do you think it's going to be, you know, first sign of any doubts that Jackson Dart might get put in because of how well he's playing?

1:45:05or what should our expectations be for the Giants with their quarterback situation? Yeah, I wouldn't rush projection dart on the field. I think Russell Wilson's the starter and hopefully has some success. I think the best thing for the team and for Jackson Dart is that Brian Dables, his coach for the foreseeable future, and that happens if they're capable of winning and being competitive this year. I thought Dart looked really good as well. I think the things that you liked were, you know, He made some, I guess, different kinds of throws that weren't demanded of him at LSU. Some timing routes on the outside to the perimeter.

1:45:41Balls across the middle of the field weren't just necessarily crossers. I love that. I thought he was really strong in the pocket. That's one of his calling cards. I thought out of all the kids in the class this year, I thought he was best in the pocket. Just the strength and the climbing of the pocket while remaining a passer. You saw the athleticism. um the touchdown pass the little jordan humphrey is actually an audible at the line of scrimmage so again just verification recognition aggression i think the two things that stood out to me as far as like what you want to see him grow at and this is why i wouldn't rush him on the field or part of the reason why he has a third down where he throws the ball to dulcet the backside tight end and he misses it and everyone might sit there and go oh an accurate throw and i look at it as he's just playing too fast he's got a corner round at the bottom and it's like third and three i think of his first or second drive and he's ready to throw the corner route and the receiver is like four or five yards down the field versus man coverage and so it's just the the repetition and the growth and the experience of slow yourself down feet wise because your feet tell you when to throw the football more often than not again a shotgun quarterback an rpo centric quarterback that maybe wasn't worked on the timing element of the pass game so that's going to take time and then the second time was when he runs for a one-yard gain not that big long run but he scrambles for a one yard gain it's a play action pass he's got the chance to throw the crosser and the underneath defender kind of tries to bait him and he decides not to throw it and i'm like good decision but then throw it to the running back and the flat instead of becoming a runner and so just hey why did you not throw the ball to the back uh you know so i just think you know more experience having that but i would be as encouraged i was with shador i would be equally as encouraged as as i would be for jackson dart and caleb williams didn't play um i was disappointed that he didn't play um i understand not playing him without the starting offensive line i would love somebody to ask Ben Johnson, why did the starting offensive line not play?

1:47:51And then subsequently, Caleb get reps. I think he needs reps in this offense. I'm okay with him not playing without the starting offensive line.

1:48:01Pat McAfee:But why is the offensive line playing then? Well, they paid a bunch of guys. Don't want to get them hurt early. And also a lot of vets. Yeah, sure. Again, I would understand that if you tell me. I would understand that. Those three guys internally are vets, but I don't know the answer to the why they didn't play. You're the man. Enjoy yourself. Thank you for talking to us during your travels. Thank you for taking it on the shins from the rest of the world and putting out these lists that we can react to. You're welcome, boys. AJ, you need a haircut, bud. Whoa. AJ, you're going to take that, dude.

1:48:33I will about three to six months probably, Dano. I appreciate you, though. I thought you'd keep it tighter on the sides. No, he's grown it out. It gets itched in a little too far. I've got to grow it all out before I do anything else.

1:48:45Pat McAfee:we appreciate you Dano for your modeling your haircut analysis is Stafford going to be okay sorry Pat is Stafford going to be alright from everything that I'm aware of yes new news since our conversation has started with you today he's out there in street clothes McVay said maybe he does individual drills today he's not they lied to us they lied or was it a setback You tell us, Dano. You're friends with him. Text him. Everything that I know is going to be fun. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Dan Orlovsky. Yay, Dano!

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1:50:43Backs are weird. I'm genuinely concerned. I am too. We know Stafford is like the toughest dude on the planet too. Like he – that dude will play through anything.

1:50:51Pat McAfee:We have massive respect for Stafford. I also have massive respect for people getting fully healthy before getting thrown back out there. So I don't want to hit the panic button yet. But this is abnormal, I think, for Matthew Stafford personally, as a viewer of Matthew Stafford. Draft class 2009. Yeah. Draft class. Still holding it down. You guys are our own brother. Tough. Tough. I've seen someone get an epidural. They were in a lot of pain. So if Matthew Stafford's in that much pain, it'd be a problem. Me too, yeah. That's a tough thing to do. That's bad. Giving birth or playing football, I guess.

1:51:17Pat McAfee:Jeez, Luis. Luis, okay. A lot of people say giving birth is like playing football. Nope, I'm not saying that. You can say that. I've watched that whole thing. That is crazy. Very thankful for it all. Devontae probably thinks he's cursed. There was something I wanted to say before we got out of here. Oh, fuck. What was it? I forget what it was. Stetson Bennett's rising hell? Yeah. Okay. I do like that Stetson Bennett took a year off. Yep. Said, I can't do it. Comes back to the Rams, balling out in the preseason. He's a dog. Threw him through. Stetson Bennett. And he does raise some hell down there now.

1:51:48Pat McAfee:He does.

1:51:51Adam Schefter:Justin Rose been to doubt.

1:51:53Pat McAfee:Oh. Yeah. That's it. Justin Rose in spawn yesterday. Thank you, boys. Thank you, boys. Go, boys. Now, as soon as I see Scotty Scheffler around the 14th, 15th hole seemingly get out of it, even though he could have still got in. I thought he might have chipped in to tie that thing. Like, anytime Scheffler's on there, I'm thinking it's a real deal. So watch because he gets the lead in the second hole. It's like, all right, we got another Scotty Scheffler day. Let's do that. Thought Rose, Fleetwood, everybody was just going to collapse. Thought it was going to happen. So as the day continues to go and Fleetwood's still in, I'm like, hey, baby, Tommy.

1:52:23Pat McAfee:Hey, Tom. Hey, where'd it go, Tommy? I'm proud of him. Rose battling back through that. And then Spawn with that LAB putter doing his thing, making magic. Golf was great yesterday. And whenever Spawn and Rose go to a playoff hole in the playoffs, obviously it's electrifying. They both get a birdie in the playoffs. So it goes par, rim jobs, both of them. Second hole, both of them get a birdie. Both of them make huge putts after being able to get on hole. Then they make new hole, put in a new position. Then Rose is able to get the win or whatever because J.J. Spahn seemingly did a completely different putting motion after Rose made the putt because he was closer than him the other way.

1:53:01Pat McAfee:Great battle, though. Full cinema. Shout out to these boys putting on a show on a Sunday. That ended like 7.05. We're talking about that was a long day of golf, and they're talking about how hot it was, and the scoreboard not working because of the heat there, so them not knowing what's going on on the 17th hole added to the drama. Yes, it was great golf, AJ. I don't know how much you got to see of it. Them both making birdie, making putts in a playoff hole, that's like dream situation for golf there, and it certainly happened. Well, I think the whole thing was cool because, what, there's 70 that entered this field and the top 50 move on.

1:53:34So seeing, like, they were updating you the whole time, like 51, 2, 3, seeing who was on the line. And every single putt affected players and whether they were going to make it to the next round or not and how everything works out. So it's a good time, I guess, to watch golf, I think.

1:53:48Pat McAfee:Kirk was 51, I think. I think he made a birdie on 18, and it moved him from like 54 to 51. Someone else chipped in on 17 earlier in the day to go from 50 to like 46. Yeah, there was a lot of magic. Two scoreboards. It was like a high-low for whenever you're playing poker. There's two different hands. There was a high-low situation going on. Golf is beautiful. Shout out to Golf. Shout out to Scheffler, too. I mean, he's just a dog. Still doing it. I think he was 4-under on Sunday or something like that. He had the best round on Sunday of everybody else. He just wasn't able to win it all. And he looked svelte.

1:54:25Pat McAfee:The fit. He had the white pants with the gray. He looked very lean and mean. Like dad shape. And so I'm getting a little... I like that we're human. Yeah, he's much more than he was. And we didn't have his caddy. His caddy had to go home for families. I mean, he's acting now. I mean, he was so good in having Gilmore, too. Yeah, so it's one of those. He was good in jail, too. He's not supposed to be there. Brett Moxie. Liv had a good finish, too. Oh, yeah? I did see some of that was on, actually. Bryson DeChambeau will be in the show tomorrow. And I'm very excited. He will be guest hosting IR2.

1:54:57Pat McAfee:Cannot wait for him. Liv's here in Indianapolis. They were in Chicago this past weekend. I guess there was a bunch of fans from everything we saw. Shout out to them. Can't wait to chat with Bryson tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Something nice might change your life. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. We continue digitally. I feel like I hit all the check. Yeah. Got it. Didn't sell the platforms, though. With the golf. Oh, that's okay. Hit the golf. Need to talk about the golf. Really loved the golf yesterday. It was incredible. And like you said, it going until like 7 o 'clock and actually being drama-filled and very entertaining for the last four hours, really.

1:55:30It was incredible. Those scores are the sweet spot, I think, too. Like 16, 17. The course did its job. Yeah, the course was tough, but the great golfers still played amazing. 25, 30, too much. Too easy. Even. Yeah, five under, 600. Too hard. Not cool enough. Right right there. 16. Yeah, I think you're right.

1:55:50Pat McAfee:I think it's like the proper amount of big-time plays being made. Yes, big putts. Like the putts that were being buried. Yeah, big putts. Some big putts. AJ Spawn, man, what a year for Spawn. That dude's life has changed over the last five, six months. They talk about that putter being like, I guess he was ass at putting. They said he was like 100 and something in putting, and then something came about whenever he got this LAB putter. It's not working as well for me yet, but maybe I'm just trying to find my stroke. You've got to get rest. You've got to get rest. Can we go back to Dan's car? What happened to your shaft?

1:56:17We didn't really get to the bottom of that. Yeah, what's going on?

1:56:20Adam Schefter:Joe Hayden's second annual golf classic out there in Cleveland, right outside of Cleveland. Posted a picture of the shaft, the driver's shaft, you know, just a picture of me and it was you know the picture looked kind of funky and he DMed me like hey bro you need a stiffer shaft pause he didn't say pause he said you need a stiffer shaft pause and I'm like bro I think this is actually a stiff shaft it just looks weird in the picture blah blah blah and then I took a picture of the shaft driver shaft what kind of shaft is it? he tells me boom it's actually extra stiff so he's like oh you gotta stop using the graphite garbage, but I'm like, damn, I think everybody uses a GraftKer.

1:57:01Adam Schefter:They do. What's my driver?

1:57:04Pat McAfee:Do we know who my driver is? You probably also have an extra stick. I want to let you know. You should have an extra stick. I'm hitting the ball right now. Oh, yeah. Me and Gumpy played in a golf tournament, Phil Mains Classic on Saturday, back there in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, beautiful Plumboro. I'll tell you what, the course was hard. Literally and figuratively. A little baked out. Couldn't get a tee into the tee box. That's good. Had it rain forever. They're in the middle of a drought. You going bubble with that thing? What's that? Driver off the deck? No, no. That's Bonniere cabinets, by the way.

1:57:33Pat McAfee:These particular Paisons, great with wood. Put this out just to give love to the Bonniers. Sure. Because Billy Bonniere, also as Billy Bones, showed up in a full costume. Always does. BC, Bonniere cabinets, logo, polo, tucked in, fedora, all blue, everything. Gorgeous. I mean. Legend. Absolutely outrageous looking. But these particular Paisons, good. these guys go with it. So I just wanted to do love. I just wanted to show a little love because they sponsored one of the holes. Shout out to everybody that was there. Shout out to Daktronics also. Built a couple scoreboards for Plum Borough High School or Plum Senior High School which got a new sign up front Diggs.

1:58:11Pat McAfee:I don't know if you've seen it. And I don't know if they ran out of spray paint and plum but I'm happy that this thing has not been ruined. I want to let you know. The main one. It's really nice. What's it say? Whatever the case. I didn't expect J.J. Watt to bury the fucking do they happen to do grass punching? I saw that tweet. I saw that tweet three hours later. I opened my phone back up. Because there wasn't a lot of service, obviously. We're in the middle of the hills out there. So when you're at high altitude, your phone's working. But at that altitude, you're looking at the views. You're having a good time.

1:58:40Pat McAfee:You're talking to people you haven't seen 15, 20 years. Do you want to pull your phone out at that moment and really live? So I skipped a couple high altitude moments, pull my phone out later. I'm like, oh, no, J.J. Watt just killing the grass. He doesn't even know that Billy Bones, Billy Bonior, when he met him out in Arizona, walks right up to him and goes, hey what's up JJ big fan of TJ so he didn't even know that that was who that person was and I want to let the Larmans know there he is G 330 he looks tall that one five under

1:59:14Pat McAfee:he's the dancer right from the party bus yes yes he is the dance like a It does. In the back there, Gino Romillo, former starting quarterback for a Palm Senior High School Mustangs. Also, Joe Hadley, guy on the left there, Joe Hadley, all-time lead in sack hitter for a Palm Mustangs. There's a lot of talent there. That's all Italian. Yeah, those are Italians right there. It was Italian fest. We were in the middle of it. Actually had a couple of jelly shots of you, Paizan. Guy pulled out Gabagool out of his cooler out of the golf cart. Delicious. I'm walking. Hey, Nick's dad, who was very gracious, let us sleep in his basement.

1:59:51Pat McAfee:on uh like the good old days on friday night it was great to be back in that basement great to be back there it was awesome gump said the couch i had uh nick's little brother's old room it was arctic cold down there oh that's the best so italian everything was bull open frank was up left open for us to arrive frankie would say you want to jump in go ahead like good old days go ahead and do it it was awesome everything shut down by the way everything shut down yeah covet i think made everybody go to bed that side of town stinks so i disagree mohans we would have stopped. I almost pissed my pants.

2:00:21Pat McAfee:My hands was closed at 11.30 midnight. I was very surprised. He said, well, close at 10. Everybody close at 10. 286 is thriving. COVID sent everybody to bed. We drove through that time. It's all new. Brand new sheets. Yeah, I was dying there. Brand new McDonald's. Burger King's dead. Rudy Sub's still doing it. Rudy Sub's still bringing it. Still bringing it. Burger King dying is a bad sign. No, McDonald's thriving, though. I think Plum just picked its allegiance and said, we're not doing it. We're in McDonald's town. Yeah, and there's Hadley, obviously, inside Rudy's sub, is doing his thing. But Nick's dad was playing in this tournament.

2:00:52Pat McAfee:I'm not going to say classic Italian. But him, Richie, who do a lot of work in Plum, brought a 15-year-old ringer into this thing. 15-year-old boy. Genius. So we run into the Paisans. And Frank, Nick's dad, goes, you want to do a shot? Come on. Absolutely. We go do this little Italian shot. Guy he's with, Richie, he fucking pulls out a cooler. He's got a gobble goo. He's got a little pepperon. Are you pronouncing this guy's name? He's got Richie. There it is. Ricciutti? No. Ricciutti? R-I-C-C-I-U-T-T-I, I believe. Yeah, he's a good concrete guy. He's a good contractor. This guy's got a lot of jobs.

2:01:28Pat McAfee:Build houses, yeah. They don't paint houses. We don't know, actually. But we do know they build a lot of houses. A lot of them in there. Concrete guy. Yeah, so is Nick's dad. They work together. Morales and Ricciutti, basically. Ricciutti's running there. And Frank's coming and laying down a concrete. Whatever the case. Fucking cooler out. I'm like, all right, this got to be where the shots are. Uh-uh. Ice cold prosciutto. Gabagol. How you doing? Whole plate. Whole plate of Gabagol. Any mozzarella? Mozzarella, yeah. Fresh. Italian on the logo. Yeah. We're speaking. It was not English language on there.

2:02:02Pat McAfee:And I'm just sitting, Rolling Fields parking lot. Just taking a little bit of this on there, a little bit of that. Thanks, boys. Got a shot over here. Grazie, prego. Do the whole thing. They were 15 under. They might have won the tournament. Did they win the thing? I'm not sure. It sounded like everybody won. Check the website. We did not win, I will say. We didn't finish, actually. We played 16 out of the 18 holes. Shotgun starts starting on hole four is tough. Oh, man. Ways away from the clubhouse when you're done. Well, not only that. Four to nine, because nine to turn, everybody's having a good time.

2:02:37Pat McAfee:Sure. We were acting as if we did play nine full holes there. It's hard to miss out on that good time at the turn. You want to take advantage of that. And we did. We were only five holes in, though. We weren't actually nine holes in. So that kind of offset us a little bit. And then we're going down around the back nine. We get to hole 17. It's like, oh, we're at hole 17. Oh, we're nowhere near done. We still got this hole 18, one, two, and three. So I think it was set up for a way for us not to finish to kind of know what it was going to be. We could have albatrossed the last four holes. Sure.

2:03:08Pat McAfee:So we'll never really know what our score was. But, yeah, we had a good time out there. Shout out to the Mains family. Great to see everybody. Shout out to Rolling Fields. The Larman family, our friend owns it now, runs it. Need some water. We need rain out there. Yeah, need a little bit of grass. They need to be doing some rain dancing out there. They need nature to cooperate with Rolling Fields. What a time. Gumpy, a lot of boozing out there. It felt like everybody was very intoxicated. Love that. Yeah, the tequila to get it started about noon wasn't ideal, but that kind of sends us on our way.

2:03:38Pat McAfee:It was a reunion for our whole high school, basically. But it was all the people that we knew. So it was like a perfect. Yeah, it was like a great setup, to be honest. It was great to see everybody. Raised money for a kid named Blake, who had a couple heart things. He was awesome. It was cool. It was a really good time back there. The Phil Mains Classic delivered. And he started a gobble. Amen. I will say that. I heard it was a great time. My brother, Mikey Dogg, is represented for the DeGilio family. I saw him early. Yeah. I saw him early. He was one of the first people I saw when we pulled up.

2:04:09Pat McAfee:It was great to see him. Gino Romito showed up with a crocodile belt yellow shorts, purple that was one of the first people yellow shorts, purple shoes I think he just had I don't know if the shoes accessorized, the shirt that was purple yellow shorts, crocodile belt Hadley was actually wearing bowling shoes Hadley and Gumpy were getting after it, Gumpy doesn't play, but he's there and Gumpy starts talking shit to the people that are actually playing. But Gumby's hit no bad shots. Nothing people who are golfing love more than a guy who's not playing, chirping them all day when they're not playing well.

2:04:48Pat McAfee:Especially if you do have a hint of anger. Which golf happens, yeah. Get Avery playing golf. Hadley was a good golfer. He was a lot better than I. Every time I played with him, I remember, oh, it was a deck hockey. Like, that is. He's got the rotation. He's got hands. And how he's cleaning windows, too. He was telling me how he squeegees with no flubs. He's got great hands. He's cleaning a lot. Too many windows. No flubs cleaning those. Call him if you need it. Doesn't he love when you pub him up? Give him some pubs. He's got too many windows. Especially with the heat wave that hit Pittsburgh.

2:05:20Pat McAfee:Give him a call. I'm going to die out there. I'm going to die out there. I've got too many windows. They all need to be cleaned. It never ends. Everybody has them. Hadley's window washing. Call him up. He needs business and he's the best in the biz. Nick's dad put his phone number on the fucking sign at the hole. we took a picture with it the number's just right there I almost posted it immediately like alright we don't need the house number getting blown up here what a time I said the same thing though he's always bitching he's too busy I'm like well then why are you putting your phone number on the sign that everyone's gonna take a picture of yeah why don't you just put a bunch of these up and everybody will know who the fuck it was they should have just had the table of Gobble Ghoul right there on that hole I don't think they want to give it to everybody I'll tell you the pulling of the cooler out by the Italians They knew that my mind was about to be blown.

2:06:08Pat McAfee:And by that point, I'm a little bit intoxicated already. And they're like, hey, sit down. I was going to say, probably ready for a belly full. What did you have, lemon jello? Yes. Orange. I was going to say, Frankie's birthday party is orange. There was a jello. Jello shots at some point as well. I remember a couple of those. Well, that guy's name was Colt, I believe. He was a ringer. This guy was a golfer, actual golfer. Chris signed him up to his team. We did a little three extra whole thing. This guy was unbelievable. He was getting us a bunch of booze. I liked him. It was good seeing everybody, man.

2:06:36Pat McAfee:It was a lot of people. Our entire high school was there, basically. Good weather, too. It was hot. Yeah, it's been hot. It's been very hot. It's hot as hell. Is it hot down in South Florida, too? Yes. Like, hotter than normal?

2:06:48Adam Schefter:Yeah. So, my daughter's actually in, like, golf camp down there. They had two instructors just this stretch that have had, like, heat exhaustion. Oh, my gosh.

2:06:56Pat McAfee:So, it's hot for you guys down there, too.

2:06:58Adam Schefter:Yes, they're, like, different.

2:06:58Pat McAfee:I think the water's, like, 97 degrees or something like that. Much warmer. That went in the ocean down there. It was very hot. Northeast is still nice. It was like 65, 77. Wow. People are looking for that right now. Legit, yeah. It was so nice because I was coming from Indy. But it was 65 at night in the morning and then 75 during the day. AJ, you watching these training camps wishing you were out there? I can't say I'm wishing I was out there, but yeah, I don't know. I'm not. But I like watching. I do enjoy watching them. I do enjoy the clips that are coming out of it. But, boy, what we as fans now, we're missing a lot of it.

2:07:34Pat McAfee:There's a lot going on other than just this one play that's happening here. The amount of, like, recovery and prehab, let alone just checking into breakfast 7 a.m. You got to check into breakfast between 7 and 8 a.m. It's like, well, I don't have anything until 10. Check into breakfast between 7 and 8 a.m. All right, I'll fucking go show face. I'm not going to eat anything. I'm probably going to go back. you gotta show your face to 7-8 again you forget about like

2:08:01Adam Schefter:drug test we always talk about the whole building and how everybody's like I was just reminded with that Rich Rod Rich Rod with the guy who's you know playing the ref spot it get out of the way like everybody like those dudes it's so much shit on their plate so much they got laundry they got to do this you got cars the line the field you got to set up drills you got like you got to 4am wake up you miss one thing and you're fucking it up for everybody everybody it's crazy being removed from it you just forget all the other shit that goes into it.

2:08:29Pat McAfee:So many pieces to the puzzle. Legit, those equipment managers. The athletic trainers are up at 3 and are going to bed at midnight. That's just kind of what the athletic trainers are doing right now. People are saying, these water boys make$100 ,000 a year. It's like, they ain't fucking deserve. They weren't working a 150-hour week. They were. They're really going. It's like, I didn't even think about that. Just forgetting how hot it is, too. When we were in Latrobe, I was like, I can't imagine fucking playing, practicing football in full pads. And then you look over and some guys are wearing sweatshirts and sweatpants under it.

2:09:04It's like, this guy's going to fucking die today.

2:09:06Pat McAfee:Yeah. It's insane how hot it's been. Yeah. Did you watch Hard Knocks at all? I only saw clips. I haven't got to sit and watch the whole thing. Josh Allen had a hoodie on underneath. That was very – He's awesome, man. He's awesome. I'll tell you. He's – I mean, he's just – Cool customer. Legit. Like, almost. I didn't expect it to be as much as it is because he's the biggest shit talker, too, right? Isn't that like you said? Yeah. He's got, like, a real Phil Rivers feel here. Because, like, when he's leading and talking to the boys behind the scenes and, you know, whenever he's doing all that in the meetings and practices, he's like, this guy is, like, first-class citizen.

2:09:43Pat McAfee:You know, like, I don't want to say that shit talkers aren't first-class citizens, but you get it. Like, everything he's saying is perfect for the exact moment that he's in. And then they talk about him getting on the field, flipping a switch. This guy's the biggest shit talker out there. it's like, I kind of like that. I like to be able to put the cape on and then go back out and just kind of do your thing. Are they going to win it all? He's so good at football. The Buffalo Bills are going to win it all. This year or, like, ever? I don't know. It feels like it's just because of how we speak of the Chiefs.

2:10:13And, like, when I think of the Chiefs, I think of the New England Patriots. And I know that any time the Patriots and Brady lost a big game, that next year they were going to be in that big game again and they were going to win it.

2:10:24Pat McAfee:Yeah, so you're thinking what happened in the Super Bowl was a nice little reminder. Just typically, usually those guys, like you're talking about taking the cape off with Josh Allen. I don't know if Mahomes takes the cape off ever. I think he almost damn near just keeps it on year-round, and now they're going to do it again. I'm not saying Josh Allen doesn't work on the outside, but it does feel like him off the field from this hard knocks is like president almost. Like goddamn president. That's how it seems when he's signing autographs and stuff at training camp, all those clips that come out.

2:10:52Unbelievable. It's amazing.

2:10:53Pat McAfee:He says the right thing in every situation. Like, I'm listening to him talk about what training camp is and talking about getting away and seeing everybody. And it's like, oh, he's giving, like, the best answer for everything. And then he's walking past a bunch of kids that want his autograph. It's like, signing after practice. Like, one person talking to 1 ,000 people. One person, I'll sign you after practice. And then they show him signing after practice to the person. It's like. Recognizing people that he has signed for in training camps past. Yeah, it's like this dude is a fucking machine.

2:11:22Pat McAfee:Like, he's seemingly the perfect human almost at this entire – and then they're like, well, he's the biggest shit talker in the game. I'm like, I love that.

2:11:29Adam Schefter:Oh, yeah.

2:11:30Pat McAfee:I love everything about that. Can they win at all? That's the – I mean, they can. They have to, right? That's the only expectation.

2:11:34Adam Schefter:They got the fucking MVP. It's going to be the same question with him and Lamar every year. Can they get it? And Joe. And Joe. Yeah, Joe just went and lost. But, you know, they are so – Dan just mentioned when he's putting the list together. It's like those four on the top of every list. But it's like, can you get it done? Can you get over the hump? until you knock off Michael Jordan back-to-back, which is Patrick Mahomes right now. It's going to be tough.

2:11:55Pat McAfee:71-pound. He was in second place. I don't know if you saw. Catch 23. Big white Marley. Yeah, he was in a fishing contest. Finished second? Yeah. I don't know if he finished second. At the time, he was in second. Oh, okay, okay. Because he only has 71-pounder. Yeah, but that's what sucks for a lot of these teams. Nice boat. We were talking about the Broncos before the season, or before the show today. It was like the Broncos could – they have 50 million more. They could be really good. Very good. They could be really good, but they're in the Chiefs division. So, like, how do you even gauge all those teams?

2:12:22The defense is legit.

2:12:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, defense is unbelievable. We assume Bo Nix is only going to get better, right? We assume Bo Nix is only going to get better with Sean Payton. Sean Payton loves him. You can tell Sean Payton is obsessed with him. Like, yeah, I think the Broncos are in for a nice little run. Now, think about the Broncos, though. What they had to do, the decisions they had to make. Obviously, the Waltons have a lot of money from the Walmart money and everything like that. They own a lot of teams. You get it, yada, yada, yada. But hiring Sean Payton and then just being like, you're allowed to do whatever you want.

2:12:47Pat McAfee:I want to get rid of the starting quarterback. and have the biggest salary cap deficit in the history of the league. Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want. If it ends up working, I'm intrigued to see what teams in the future start being like, hey, we're just going to believe in what you do. Does it start building patience with teams? Does it start helping other teams? Do people start moving on from bad contracts quicker and just take the hits if they're able to have the success going forward? It's like I think they will. I believe in Sean Payton. I believe in Bo Nix too. And I definitely believe in their defense.

2:13:18Pat McAfee:Their defense is outrageous, right? That's part of the year. And they'll be able to pay all the coaches. So it's like they'll be able to, continuity-wise, I think be able to keep everybody around over there. It's like the Broncos are in a great spot, but they're in the AFC West. Well, and I know the end goal, obviously, no one's just trying to make the playoffs. You want to win the Super Bowl, but I think you would already say his tenure has been a success. I don't think anyone expected them to be as good as they were last year. They went to the playoffs with a rookie QB their first year, and then now, yeah, it's like the expectation is Bo Nix is only going to get better.

2:13:48And when you have a defense like that, like, you know, that's the type of stuff that travels in the playoff. Like, they could be anybody in the playoffs.

2:13:54Pat McAfee:Congratulations to the Denver Broncos fan base. They were going through it there. Oh, yeah. Brock Osweiler got like$80 million. Yeah. Do you remember? Oh, yeah. Trevor Simeon right after him, too. I don't want to go through the whole thing. Brock, handsome gentleman, great football player, very tall, everything like that, does great on TV. But it's like there's been numerous times now where they thought they had it a couple times, and then do they got it finally? That was like, oh, shit. Got it. Yeah, how about when Russ was there? Like, they're 6-5, right? This is how the story goes. They're 6-5.

2:14:26Russ goes into the office, and Sean Payton's basically just like, hey, we're going to need you to take a pay cut now. Oh, yeah, after a win. After a win, like, they went through the bad Russ. Sean Payton damn near turned the Russell Wilson experience around because they started, like, 1-4, and then they turned it around, and they won all those games in a row. And still Sean Payton was like, yeah, he's not our guy still. We need to move on. It's crazy. Football's the greatest. It is.

2:14:51Pat McAfee:I hear so much into it. Business, medical. So close. Athleticism. Yeah, what did you say? Three weeks from Thursday. That's insane. We can make it. Yeah. Which means college football starts in one. Two weeks. Yeah. Yep. Let's go. Just fucking injuries.

2:15:09Adam Schefter:Yeah, it sucks. Every time something. That was Sean Slater. Everyone is crazy.

2:15:14Pat McAfee:And also, Micah, Trey, everybody is seeing that. Because that's what, two weeks after he signs his, or one week after he signs his deal? Yeah, one to 10 days. It's like his agent immediately, hey, remember, we're good. We're set up. We got these clauses in here. No voids because of this. Your injury guarantee is actually this. It's like the agent is calling and saying, good work on getting the deal done. But Rashawn Slater is saying, damn, this is going to be a long recovery. and that's also another thing we don't talk about. Like Stafford, he's in street clothes today. Hopefully he's back. He's getting epidurals.

2:15:49Pat McAfee:That's not fun. None of this is fun. Dislocated pinky, not fun. There is the negative side of it all and maybe it's a firework too for some people, but nonetheless, the recovery on the other side is an ass beating in of itself. Good luck to all the boys on their recovery. Yeah, especially, I mean like Lynn Dickerson yesterday, we don't know exactly what the injury is correct yet, But, like, you lose him and then you lose Mekhi Becton. That's two guys off of the O-line, which was basically the most important part of your team all of last year. Dr. David Chow said that everybody taking a knee. Yeah.

2:16:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, he said the knee taking is interesting, but it might be hot training camp. I like that he's riding shotgun. Honestly, that makes me have a little bit of hope that he's maybe. I don't know. Yeah, the only thing that makes me think is carting for offensive linemen is a massive decision in and of itself, especially that offensive line, I would assume. Like, even getting on a cart is like a big decision for an offensive lineman. But maybe they're like, hey, we need to go. You need to not put any more weight on this. And hopefully they'll get good news out of the MRI. Because to your point, that offensive line was – they were the show.

2:16:54Pat McAfee:They were the show. Is that offensive line. Now, Saquon obviously is the lead character of that entire show. But that offensive line, what was it, 800 and some yards before contact? Yeah. I think it was even higher at the end of the season. He said he would have been like the third He would have been like the third leading rusher In the NFL just with his yards Before contact And let alone Saquon's impossible to tackle So let him just go ahead and put the biggest season of all time together Alright, we'll be back tomorrow Boys, football's here Here we go Here we go, here we go Alright, AJ, you're the best And we're growing it out, huh?

2:17:31Yeah, I guess, like I said

2:17:33Pat McAfee:Let's go What did Laura say? I kind of yearned to I had the old bull Is that what she said? What was that finish that one comment? I had the old bull I don't want the young calf I got a luscious V of chest pews Going out from my chest hair to my ball throw And she grabs me by the penis What am I supposed to do? What a show Shut the fuck up! So is that what you're doing? You're going back to the young calf? No, I mean, you know, I've got to grow the sides out. Then I'll figure something out. We'll cut it. Yeah, okay. Hey, we'll be here for it. I think now's the time to really try to do that. Yeah.

2:18:11Pat McAfee:Three weeks before the football season starts. Just fuck it. Whole new face. You know? Whole new look. Why not? A lot of people do that before camp usually, actually. Yeah, we'll be pretty excited for it. To kind of watch it all evolve. We'll be here for it every step of the way. Actually, a screenshot every single day.

2:18:29Pat McAfee:National championship? Oh, he's going to have a little. Yeah. Top knot. Oh, yeah, yeah. A little bun. Maybe a little samurai. Yeah. That would be sick. I don't think that's the plan, but we'll see. Hawk hair watch. Oh, 2025. Mm-hmm. Look out. Never. There it is. That's what we're looking for. That's a laurel once. That's what we want. Wow, you're going to grow that back out. No, I might get a perm before I do that. Yeah. You should. Think about that affliction t-shirt coming back, too. And also, bang. Yep. Bang. Bring back the big boots. Bang. You know? Oh, man. Bang! We can do it. I should. I should.

2:19:05Pat McAfee:Especially if you're wearing Affliction. You have to. Yeah, I have to. I think you've got to walk around, actually, and just say, if you get in my way. I should bring it back. I should bring the Affliction back. Get the jeans with the big laces, you know, and all that. Paramount Plus needs to think about investing in Affliction. You know, you signed a UFC deal. There you go. How do you get the pay-per-view buys? New Affliction shirt,$49.99. Yep. Who's the spokesperson? Boom. Tom Cruise. Oh. TC is going to Affliction. I'm sure. I don't know if any shirt TC's wearing, anybody's buying$49.99. That's about$249.99.

2:19:34Pat McAfee:That's fair. Which is kind of the affliction. He's the company man. He's the big dude for Paramount. He is the company. Yeah. All right. Great work in the back, boys. Way to get back in the saddle. Hey, boys. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. More bullshit. Bryson DeChambeau will be here for the entire second hour. I think we have some other stuff happening. You are the best people on earth. We missed you a lot. We had a great time off, but we certainly missed this. We're lucky to do this. We're thankful for this. And this is going to be the best football season we've ever had. I think so. I will be a friend.

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