PMS 2.0 1387 - Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane, Peter Schrager, Neal Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

18:29Pat McAfee:I don't think any blue-collar town loves this type of thing, especially because the numbers that they see whenever they're hearing about what athletes are making. And remember, these guys all play in high school. They would die. I pay to pay for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So whenever this type of stuff always gets ugly, it does get kind of ugly in these types of towns. What are your thoughts on the Cam Hayward satch? There's two sides to it. There's the fans who are like, it's Cam. He's one of three guys who's had 30 sacks from the defensive tackle position in the last four years. Quinton Williams and DeForest Buckner being the other two.

19:03Quinton is making$24 million a year, and DeForest is making$23 million a year, which is about at least$9 million more than what Cam is making this year. So as far as play on the field, he deserves more money. But then there's the other side of the ball, and there are some users in this where they're like, hey, you were at the negotiating table last year, and you put your name on a contract last year, a year ago. Now, if it was a handshake deal, which we've been talking about a lot, about making All-Pro, and then they would come back and revisit it, a lot of people were saying his agents should have probably put that in the deal.

19:37So there's two sides to it. At the end of the day, I think the Steelers have the money to get a deal done, and I think Cam deserves to be paid more just by –

19:45Pat McAfee:Especially if he's just pissed off. Like, this is a guy you'd like to just keep at. This guy is coach. Yeah, and he has been the heart and blood of that Steelers defense for a long, long time. So, yeah, I hope they get it done quickly. Well, congrats to all parties over there if they get that deal done. And also, congrats to, you know, why not to Indianapolis Colts? We'll sign KMA. Why not? KMA Fonker. Put them right next. No one. Got big growth. Yeah, put them in too. We'll run a five-down. Yeah. Three big guys. The middle of the pocket's going to be a problem for everybody. Always room for an all-pro.

20:15Pat McAfee:Joining it? Legit. All-time all-pro. All-pro. On the field and off the field. And in the locker room. Absolutely. Walt's Peyton Manning the year two years ago. Yeah. Probably flip one of them for KJ Hamler too. Love. Well, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has K.J. Hamler on his squad. And fresh off a brand new scooter, I think K.J. Hamler, not just fast on the field, also off the field. He's not the only one on the field for this particular team. Look out for James Cook returning to practice for the Buffalo Bills because he got a deal done. With who? Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo Bills, friend of the program.

20:51Pat McAfee:Brandon Bean. Yeah, Brandon! Nobody beats your intros, Pat. Nobody. I love it. You're Oprah right now, brother. You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. You get a new deal. $1.26 billion in deals this offseason. I want to let you know, thank you for rewarding your guys. In-house guys as well. How great did it feel to get James Cook's deal done? Because I learned on Hard Knocks that he was the first ever hold-in that you've had throughout your stint up there in Buffalo. But not just James Cook. This entire offseason. And how does it feel to get all of this done with your pillars, basically?

21:28No, it's been good. I mean, our ownership, the Pagoulas are unbelievable, Pat. They just love the mantra that we have, which is draft, develop, and re-sign our own. You feel like a proud dad when you are able to see these guys be rewarded for their success, not only on the field. Obviously, that's why we drafted them and tried to help develop them. But just being pillars in the community. You were talking about it earlier. This is a blue-collar town just like Pittsburgh, and they love their Buffalo Bills. And so it's fun to see these guys be rewarded.

22:02Pat McAfee:Let's talk about James Cook just a little bit. Did you guys have an understanding that a deal was always going to get done? So, like, T.J. Watt in the Pittsburgh Steelers had a little thing going on, but every insider was like, a deal's going to get done, a deal's going to get done. James Cook doing the holding, was it always just assumed from your end that a deal with something was going to get worked out? Or, like, how did we get to the point where a deal actually gets done? Are you constantly working on a deal while he's there so it's not completely uncomfortable? Take me to the situation here while the hold-in was happening and what was happening behind the scenes, potentially.

22:34Yeah, I mean, listen, I would say Jimbo and I had a lot of dialogue through this process. We tried to get something done in the spring when we were doing the other guys. It didn't work. We pushed pause and just said, you know, we'll see if we can circle back later in the summer. So we started talks again once camp got started. And, you know, he started practicing those guys. Maybe they didn't feel like it was, you know, where they wanted it to be, which, you know, was unfortunate. But we wanted him to continue practicing. And so we kind of pushed pause until we were able to get him back on the practice field yesterday.

23:08And then once we did that, we, you know, I give Zach Hiller and Kevin Megank on my staff a lot of credit. They worked into the night last night to try and get this thing to the finish line. And we're excited it's here. So to answer your question, no, I was not known that this would get done. I wanted to see James get rewarded. But as you see, we've doled out a lot of cash this year, and we've got to make a lot of things fit with the cap and what those constraints are. And he obviously had to have a deal that he was happy about. And sometimes those can be hard and not fun. But James is such a great kid.

23:45He loves ball. He's competitive. and even though he wasn't in practice every day, he was very attentive in meetings and engaged with his teammates. So I do respect that part of it.

23:57Pat McAfee:I love to hear that because that means at some point, James Cook was told, hey, you could probably make more money if we continue to go somewhere else and do that. But with everything that's happening around us, this is a great situation. This is a deal that can happen. Anytime that both sides have to give a little bit, you probably didn't want to do it. That's whenever a strong deal can take place because it feels like both sides actually committed to each other, right? Doesn't it feel that way? Yeah, no. I mean, most good deals, there's a little pain on both sides. You got to give a little and you kind of, here's some things that we just can't move on.

24:27There's here's some things that they have to have in the deal and you kind of strike those off and then you kind of find those things. All right, you give me this. I'll give you a little bit of that. And we just kind of start checking those off. And that's kind of where we got to by dinner time. And, you know, it got wrapped up about 11 o 'clock last night.

24:44Pat McAfee:That's awesome. congratulations to all parties over there we're watching hard knocks how do you feel about it i think you're coming across very cool i think you look very cool in that thing even whenever you're watching film with the owner uh in last night's scene i think the way you held the the cowboy was pretty good i think watching the thumb go back and forth very natural i i think you should feel good how has it been having your life be documented here do we want do i need to change anything with the cowboy no switch hands no no i go with it i think you nailed it yeah because you know because you could tell quickly i think whenever somebody has one of those like me you put me on one i'm not gonna be the smoothest like i'm not i'm not the most film savvy guy but then you put some dogs on there you know you get like d but on that thing you get like coaches on that thing it's like oh this is their controller this is their video game controller they're playing guitar hero on this fucking thing you know so it's like uh it was nice to see that but how has it been to have hard knocks there i think you guys have come off very likable and I know that's probably your culture but like I think everybody kind of has yeah I mean listen when you first get the call back in May that we're going to be on it you're like oh gosh like I don't you know how invasive is that going to be you know our number one goal in training camp is to prepare this team for you know a 17 game season and hopefully uh a ticket to the playoffs that's that's what all 32 are trying and so uh you know you're kind of like uh and then so then you start asking questions so we had some meetings with the hard knocks folks in early June and you know we laid out our goals of of what what we're open to and and we listened to them things that have worked asked some questions of other teams just tried to learn as much as we could about it and I give them credit they they listened to some of the things that we felt would be a little invasive a little uncomfortable and but just like a deal with James Cook hey we'll give you a little bit of access here if you can just help us protect you know like we don't want to be releasing players on film.

26:37This is their livelihood. I've just never been a fan of that. I just think these guys work so hard. I don't think any of us want to see I'm getting called in in whatever line of work you're in. You're being called in to be relieved of your duties. I think that's a line that I'm uncomfortable crossing. There were some conversations like that, but I give the crew credit. They've really listened to our staff. That's what we said, Let's work together and let's make this a win-win for both sides.

27:08Pat McAfee:The NFL Films people are supremely talented. We are big fans of what they've got going on. Now, obviously, the access, because they are like the 33rd team, is unprecedented to anybody else. But what they do with it is remarkable. And your team looks good, man. I enjoy your team. K.J. Hamler, by the way, we need to find a spot for him in the locker room. This guy is hysterical, naturally. Very, very hilarious. Listening to you guys chat about his football abilities, also great. obviously. Go ahead, D. Butch. Yeah, I love him. Great, great vibes, but sticking in that room, you obviously have Shakir there, who you took care of, you paid, Keon Coleman, who we expect a big jump for this year.

27:43Where are you right now? How do you feel about the state of that wide receiver room? I'll stop there. Yeah. Shakir got his ankle in our scrimmage a couple of weeks ago, so he's going to be out the rest of the preseason, but he's progressing well. So I hate not having him out there, but we're at least happy to know he should be ready to roll for the regular season. Keon, I think, has had a good camp. As you said, he's ascending talent. I see him and Josh continuing to work on their rapport and get the chemistry, all the various throws that you make to a bigger target like that. Elijah Moore we brought here.

28:19Josh Palmer today at practice. Josh had a really good practice. He and our quarterback connected a lot. And we've got some other guys, K.J. Hamler, Tyrell Shavers. I mean you keep Nate LaVisca Chenault I'm leaving guys out but it's we've got a lot of guys competing for the last I would say the last two spots special teams DB comes in there as well as far as if you're not starting when we're in 11 personnel you're top three if you're not one of those are you returning punts are you returning kicks are you a gunner like we've got to find other roles for you to you know so we can have you on the 48 yeah we need you out there okay we need you

29:05Pat McAfee:if you're not out there on the punt team you're not going to be on the team which is why i used to give speeches to young guys that i thought were great gunners great special team hey you need to learn this defense okay all they're saying is you don't know what the hell you're doing you need to learn what the hell you're doing so we can have you on special teams buddy okay you're really good at special teams they say you suck on defense i need you to get better over here and also let's start picking up water bottles for people. Look, we need you. I'm like campaigning for people, lobbying for people, because special teams is a lot of ways into the NFL for a lot of guys, and they have no idea that's the case.

29:40Pat McAfee:Do you try to explain that to guys? Does McDermott explain? Does Coach explain that to people? How is that message kind of delivered? Yeah, we definitely do. We emphasize it, especially to the young guys in June, the rookies and those young players. If you are not a starter, you better find a role on special teams. And if not, you're going to have a hard time, A, making the team. And even if you make the team, you're probably going to be inactive on game days until guys in front of you get injured. And there's so many guys that we've pointed to that have made it as a special teamer that later developed as either an offensive player or a defensive player.

30:16If they had not been that good on special teams, I mean, shoot, I remember, you go back to Steve Smith in Carolina, Steve was a third-round pick. He returns to his very first kickoff for playing Minnesota in 2001. He returns it for a touchdown, and he was a dynamic puck returner, but we were rarely using him on offense the first couple of years. It was his third season when he kind of took off as a receiver and started sending, but who knows if he had never been, you know, an all-pro returner if he would have gotten the looks at receiver.

30:48Pat McAfee:Robert Mathis, I think, started his career as a kickoff guy. Terrell Davis. 123 sacks later. Terrell Davis. Antonio Brown was a nightmare of a returner. I mean, you're right. Hey, special teams, beautiful place, baby. It's an absolutely beautiful place. Let's go to... Especially with the kickoff rule this year. The kickoff is going to change. You're not going to want a lot of touchbacks because it's at the 35. The kickoff is truly going to be back in the game. I think there's going to be a lot more than previous seasons. That's going to be a major change this year, I think, for special teams. Is that good for you or bad for you in Buffalo?

31:25I think it's fine as long as we do a good job and that we have the right personnel out there because it's, like I said...

31:31Pat McAfee:I'm saying weather-wise. You think that's good or bad? I think weather-wise, if everybody's not kicking touchbacks, I think that's good for you guys. Because not that Bass doesn't have a big leg, but there's going to be 10 inches of snow for, what, four of the games up there? The wind becomes more of a factor up here than, honestly, the snow. So damn cool. I played in a blizzard up there. Last game of the year, my rookie year. Needed to have a 44-yard average. Needed to have one inside of 20 to hit an escalator for$1 million in my third year. And we get out there. All the boys are on the bench because we're already in the playoffs.

32:04Pat McAfee:Remember, Bill Pullian decided to rest everybody. All the vets were pissed. So, yeah, that game. It was a full-on blizzard. And I had – it was the biggest day of my life. It was literally the biggest day of my life. Like, I've got to have a good game up here for a million dollars. There's a million dollars on the line right now. That is how I get it. A lot of points? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had some turnovers too, thank God. Did you get it? Did you get the million? Bean, if you were to just... I mean, I assume, though, but this is probably the last place you want to be kicking to get a million bucks.

32:33Pat McAfee:Agreed. Agreed completely. But, yeah, I got it. I love it. There's a million dollars. Peyton Manning, Dallas Clark, having a time of their lives on that sideline. That was when Peyton Manning handed out 45 wristbands and said he was game-worned every single one. Put them on, walked over, handed them to a kid. Game-worn. was handing them off you know like there was conversations going on about how much fun everybody was everybody's having a blast everybody's having a good time we're losing this game who cares you know let's keep it moving and i'm in like the biggest yeah please please there's a million dollars this is the biggest day of my entire life but once again the people at buffalo showed up which is why i appreciate you guys keeping that shit a little bit open on that new stadium now the boys have some questions on personnel i'm gonna ask about the new stadium How are we doing?

33:19Pat McAfee:Howard a bison. Howard a bison. How are we doing? We're still growing those bisons, so they're still in the lab. But we're trending well. It's going to be awesome, I promise you. Every picture or video that we get from the update or whatever, this place is going to be sick. It's awesome. I cannot wait to go up there and see a game, brother. It's going to be so, I mean, for this city to get this stadium, it's going to be a masterpiece. I mean, I've only been in there a couple times since, but I'm blown away every time I'm over there. The aerial photo of it being right across the street from the stadium you guys are in now is like such a good selling piece for any team that's looking to get a new stadium.

34:00Pat McAfee:Like, hey, look at what stadiums used to be and look what they can be now. And it's literally right across the street in the same photo for you guys. If we could find that photo. So much bigger. It is just so bigger. I mean, it's just like beautiful. All the technology advancements that you can have. since the last time stadiums have been built, it's like this is going to be good for the entire city, even though the city is helping. Like it is going to be good for the entire Buffalo Bills faithful. Bills, I don't know what the – Mafia. Bills Mafia. Oh, my God. Wow. Come on. Come on, Pat. You okay?

34:30Getting back into it. Getting back into it. You see this 10?

34:33Pat McAfee:You see this 10? Preseason. I've been on the damn islands. That's on me. I am so sorry, Bills Mafioso. I would never, ever, ever, ever want to offend. Here's the photo that I was referring to. Yeah. It's like this is the selling point here. If you're another city trying to get it and pitch it, it's like the far corner there here, you see, that is what yesterday looked like. This is tomorrow. Okay, let's just go ahead and try to do that. It's just like I can't wait. Your fans have certainly deserved it. Okay, let's talk about the team a little bit. You have gone seemingly. Okay, I know you probably don't like that.

35:05Pat McAfee:You say we go all in every year is what every general manager is. We spend all the money we can spend every single year. We're going all in every single year. But this is the year, offseason year, where you had to make a lot of massive decisions, and you did. There's one that's kind of snuck under the radar in this entire thing. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, to that point being, I think it was like a month ago, there was a viral tweet that was like, holy shit, I forgot Joey Bosa's on the Bills this year. And that's kind of snuck under the radar. How has Joey been, and how do you expect him to be for that defense this year?

35:35Yeah, it's been good to have Joey. You know, he missed some of the spring. He was dealing with a calf, but he's had a good camp. We tried to, you know, make sure we're ramping him up, but not, you know, not beat him up too bad. And he's done a great job. He's got a good presence. You can see the rush in there. I'm excited for what he's going to bring to our defense. And we've got some, you know, we drafted, you know, some young guys on the D line. We signed a couple other guys. So it's been fun to just have his presence. Obviously, guys respect his game and what he's done. And, no, you're right.

36:08It hasn't been talked about a lot. And I know Joey's out to prove he's battled a couple of injuries the last couple of seasons, but he's out to prove that he still got it and he wants to help, you know, do it here in Buffalo. He played, you know, his college career in Ohio State, and I think he's alluded to a couple of times. This feels like, you know, more like college town, college feel, blue collar, like kind of getting him back. You know, he was obviously in L.A. for a while, different lifestyle. So it's been fun to see him kind of re-energize.

36:38Pat McAfee:Your camp is cool. Getting a chance to watch it through hard knocks is a cool setup. It does feel very similar to what Latrobe feels like for Pittsburgh, for the Steelers, you know, and the fans embracing training camp and everything like that. It's been really cool to watch how you guys do it. And also, you're a team that can go for a Super Bowl. Every team can go for a Super Bowl, of course. No, it's not real. D-Butts doesn't think every team can go for a Super Bowl. It's only about six. Okay, well, if D-Butts case, what he's saying and what I'm saying, You guys are going for Super Bowl, and you're on Hard Knocks.

37:10Pat McAfee:We're watching it kind of – it's cool. It doesn't happen a lot like that with Hard Knocks. So it's like we appreciate you guys letting him in there. Now, one of the stars, obviously, early has been the MVP. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Brandon. I think if you're not a Bills fan and you're watching Hard Knocks, some people would look at Josh Allen, and obviously everyone knows how talented he is, but it's like, oh, this guy's so jovial, so happy, kind of happy-go-lucky almost. and then we hear the stories come out how he's voted the number one shit talker in the league and he obviously flips a switch and everything.

37:41But how evident is it with his off-field demeanor and his on-field demeanor? Is it like you guys notice on Sundays or Thursdays or Mondays, like, holy shit, this guy actually is a different human being when he's inside the lines? Yeah, he's all those things. You nailed it perfectly, Ty. He's a jovial dude. He loves to practice. He loves to compete. He is a jokester. You should see some of the celebrations these guys do in practice. I'm trying not to laugh. I'm trying to be an adult sometimes. Oh, yeah.

38:14Pat McAfee:Well, he also got Phyllis on bus with the boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's – yeah, jokes. We have good time. Yeah, yeah, I understand. He's full of them. But even like today, for example, when the defense picks a ball off, even if it's not against him, sometimes he's on the sideline. It happened today. And the defender, our rule as the defender, no matter how far you pick it off, you've got to take it back the other way. And so one of our linebackers picked one off today in practice. It wasn't against Josh. And so as soon as the guy got by him, Josh chases him down, punches the ball out, and the whole offense goes crazy.

38:48So it's like the guy just made a hell of a play, and now he's getting abused by his teammates because he got the ball punched out. That's Josh, though. So he loves to do it. I fussed at him for it. I'm like, dude, if you freaking pull doing that, I'm going to kill you.

39:03Pat McAfee:Yeah, but that's like hilarious football guy shit because all anybody's talking about is Josh punching that ball. It doesn't matter if the whistle's dead. Nope. In training camp, I was trying to punch balls out. I'd be on a sideline with Vinny. Somebody would catch the ball down the sideline. I'm going immediately for a – it's like the number one rule. Like don't drop – if you have the ball, the ball is the program. Do not drop the ball even if the whistle's dead. That's like a training camp thing. The fact that Josh Allen's chasing people down when he's not on the field to punch it out, he's like a child out there.

39:32Pat McAfee:Got a joy, like a childlike joy for the sport of football. But then he's voted, to Ty's point, the biggest shit talker whenever he goes on the field. He looks like a guy who could be president from what I'm watching and how everybody loves him. And on the field, he's an absolute dog. It's like you got the guy. Is that why you had so much belief after year one, maybe, year two? It's like, hey, it's all in there, and he's the right guy. There has to be some of that that you're seeing now. No doubt. He's honestly, his personality reminds me a lot of Luke Keekly. Luke was obviously on defense, but the quarterback, the defense of Carolina and Luke, like you can try all day to get Luke to say a curse word outside the lines.

40:10Like just he's, I mean, he's one of those guys I've seen him like pick up a water bar on the sideline and hand it to a trainer that another player dropped. It's like, dude, like, I can't believe you're focused on that. But he crosses the line and you, you've heard him on some of the mic'd up things. Like he's just, it's like he blacks out or something. We used to laugh at him. And I think Josh is a little bit that way. He gets in the white lines and he just blacks out and goes into a different mode.

40:35Pat McAfee:Who was that? Some guy, maybe the Dolphins, somebody was talking to him, and he stopped and looked at the guy's last name. And then he just kept walking. It was like so subtle. Just buried that guy. Just absolutely murdered him. He's so witty. Just so quick. He's crazy. I'm scared. Honestly, when he comes up to the talk or asks you a question, you literally freeze because you're scared he's setting you up for some. He's going to get you. And so I have to sometimes say, are you serious? No, I'm serious. I'm serious. And even half those times when he finally gets you in, then he still pulls some kind of break.

41:12Pat McAfee:Yeah, I'm serious. I'm serious is a part of the thing. Yeah, yeah. Of course, I have to sell it that way. Yeah, I have to sell it. And what, he's got 1 ,500 acres now? Oh, yeah. And a big-ass farm in comparison to out there in California or something like that. Yeah, I mean, you've got a cowboy, a farmer, a guy who could be president, obviously married to a— Academy Award winner. Yeah, and then he's voted—and he's the MVP of the NFL. He's what everybody's looking for, and he's voted the biggest shit talker. Like, that is my favorite. Like, that is—I love that all that can coexist. Hey, he won the sportsmanship last year, too, after being the biggest shit— after being voted the biggest shit.

41:45Sorry, I don't know how that comes together, but—

41:48Pat McAfee:Congrats, dude. Let's talk about an award you're probably going to win, Executive of the Year, especially if you guys get rolling. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Bean, it's a pleasure to see you. You're looking tan. Glad to know that you are aware that, you know, it takes more than an offensive line to block out the sun. But when you're looking at what you have done. Great line from Coach McDermott. Fantastic. I'm sure that commercial is going to be amazing. But when you look at the deals you have done, Brandon, the Josh one was early, a few others. We're very early. I believe Benford was as well. And then now, you know, James is kind of the last to get done.

42:23When you look at these deals, how important is it for you kind of getting ahead of what the market is going to turn into? And then when it comes to forecasting deals, you have to make a guy like Dalton Kincaid going into his third year where you have to kind of decide on the fifth year after this one. Are you thinking and trying to project what the tight end market will be to try and figure out what his contract will be? Do you wait and see how the performance is? How does that kind of work on your end? Yeah, with all players. I mean, like anything, after their third year is the first opportunity, you can extend them, and sometimes you want to see more, and sometimes you're like, no, this fits.

43:02And then sometimes you're like, yeah, I would like to extend them, but their markets, I just can't afford what their market is, and just based on where you are currently in that year. So we've made a lot of tough decisions. as you guys know last year when pat told me all of our friends so he got cut all of his friends but part of that was in preparation you know getting a year ahead of this knowing that we had some guys that we thought we would want to extend that we're trending in the right direction and so um and again it takes two like these guys you know i respect these guys a lot because of course as i said earlier they could have tried to say hey i want to play it out and test it yeah I want to stay here, but I want to see if I can run the meter up and how bad do you want me, or I can go to the highest bidder.

43:48And they've earned that right. You understand that. So it means a lot to me and our organization and the Pagoulas and Sean McDermott as well, that these guys, hey, we love it here. We like how you're treating us. We like how we're being developed. And we want to stay here and hopefully continue our career. Hopefully we can keep them all in Buffalo as long as their career lasts. That time will tell on that. But you're constantly looking two and three years out to your point on you know whether it's franchise tags fifth year options um players that you've pushed the you know you've kicked the can down the road what do you need to do with them do you need to restructure do you need to extend all those conversations we're having things can change injuries can happen guys can get past that you thought uh you might be extending and you're like they haven't kind of hit that next level so um they're kind of written in pencil more than pen at this point.

44:38Pat McAfee:So fascinating, all of it, especially with what's happening around the league. Do you look at it? Obviously, all the other drama happening around you, you've told us yes in the past because you might snoop around. Now you can't really at this point with how much money you've spent into the salary cap at this particular situation. Maybe you just looked at me and said, if there's a right situation, we can still do some net nose. I'm about to get in these couch cushions right here and see if we got anything. Hey, get some duct tape, You know, trying to find the crumbs down there. Yeah, I understand.

45:08Pat McAfee:But you are, like, because there's, I think getting the deal done early is what we, from our coverage, from us just having to talk about everybody's drama, it feels like getting a deal done a year early is much better than getting a deal done either on time or a year late. Just seemingly from the drama in the inevitable. How many millions was it? For the Cowboys, they. It's like 49 or 64 million altogether. 64 totally, yeah, exactly. $50 million with Dak because they did the franchise tag and then extended him. And then the next extension was late as well, so it got ran up. And then$15 million with CD Lane.

45:44Pat McAfee:Yeah,$14.9 or something, whatever the money is. And now granted, these are all just like Monday morning quarterbacking, obviously, in this whole thing. And in the moment, it's vastly different. But it does feel like we're in a time where you have to pick who your guys are going to be and almost just tell them with money early. Do you think that's becoming a trend around the NFL, or do you think the NFL will try to make sure, hey, we pay you when these deals are done? How do you think this is all going to be navigated going forward? Yeah, I mean, I think like anything, it takes two to get a deal done.

46:15And some of these players that maybe, you know, and I can't speak for them. I don't know. You'd have to ask the player or the agent. But maybe some of these players truly just want to see what's out there. And yes, they like it there, but they also feel like they can make a lot more. And again, that's why I say I respect a lot of what our guys did. They didn't want to test the market. They were happy with the numbers we were able to get them. And I think that's always going to be the case. I think you're going to find teams that are able to find guys that enjoy being where they're at. They're happy with the money that you're offering them.

46:47And they're not trying to see if they can get another million, two million, whatever that is, in free agency to pack up and move their family to another city. And I think that's the case. Sometimes you see guys and maybe they don't love it there. Maybe they don't love their coach. Maybe they don't love their situation. And then there's just guys that they want to just see. They're like, hey, you know what? I'm six months away. I'm this close. We haven't reached a deal. I just want to play this thing out, which is their right. I respect that.

47:15Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's interesting, the drama. The NFL is the greatest for us, obviously. Yeah, he's selling shit. Love it. James Cook's holding in up there. He's being lost his fastball. Uh-oh. Oh, is it all falling apart up there? You know, that one even seemed to be not very drama-filled. You know, that was even like, hey, this is happening, this is happening, and then you guys get a deal done, that's great news. But I think it's also all these things that you're talking about for your guys, not only do you find good guys and develop good guys and everything like that, but also you guys are good. Go ahead, D-Bud.

47:44Yeah, speaking of drama and narratives kind of outside, quarterbacks obviously got to deal with it, players in the locker room, but as a GM of the Buffalo Bills who has to kind of get over that hump, it's been the Chiefs, and then obviously you have the Ravens out there. But how much do you think about that, I guess, on a day-to-day building your team? Like I said, I know the players are kind of attached to their phones, but how much do you think about that on a day-to-day? Yeah, I mean, that's what drives us every day. I mean, from once you get over the loss and they, you know, the further you go in the playoffs, you know, last year we were losing the AFC Championship.

48:17We've had a couple of runs there. We've lost in the divisional round. And these games are all coming down to a play here, a couple of plays there, a drive, a miss, whatever the case may be. It's gut-wrenching. It's crushing. You've got to get over it fast, though, and start planning. And, again, I think that's the fabric of our team and our organization is, yes, we've come up short, but it's just digging a bigger chip on our shoulder. And that's kind of our mantra here. And, yes, we know we haven't achieved what we need to. We've had consistency and continuity, and we've won, you know, I think five divisions in a row.

48:56That's not the ultimate goal. We want to hoist that thing. But we're not going to blow it all up. We're going to keep swinging the sword. We're going to learn from our losses. You know, I think in life, you know, I know me, I've learned way more from my mistakes or where I came up short. And I know that's cliche, but it's the God's honest truth. You've got to learn from it. And we're just going to keep kicking the door. And at some point, we've got to find a way to kick the door in, Pat.

49:19Pat McAfee:Yeah, what year was it for Jordan? Oh, eight. Yeah, something like that. I forget what it was. You know, there's so many different examples of the past of good teams, good teams, good teams becoming immortalized teams, you know, whenever they break the seal. Hope you guys are able to do that for the good of everybody in Buffalo, including yourself. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for joining us in the middle of training camp here. Appreciate you guys. Always fun to see you guys, and hopefully we'll see you later this season. Hey, that Pagula cookout, barbecue, house gathering, whatever the hell they call it.

49:50Pat McAfee:That looked really nice. Were you there? Yeah, he was. I was there. You know who else was there? Boyko was there. Dog. Your guy. Snuck in. Boyko's absolute dog. Does Pagula know that Boyko was there? Yeah, that's a good question. No. No, he was in the bushes, but he was there. Vince Carter actually was like, what the hell's going on? What's going on? You got a weirdo outside. No, he works for the building. All right. Shout out Boyko going to the big wig party. You deserve it, buddy. All right. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Buffalo Bills general manager, Brennan Bean. Yeah. Golf season's over for him, huh?

50:26Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. Yeah, unfortunately. He's got a good tan, though. He had a good golf season. Yeah, fantastic tan. He's an unbelievable golfer. So good. I mean, what was it, 76, right? Yeah, but remember, we saw – or was that Orlovsky's? That was Orlovsky's. Yeah. Orlovsky's, we saw a lot of double penciling. You're writing that scorecard and pencil for a reason, it feels like, or because it was on the golf cart. He added it up wrong. Yeah, there was a change and then a circle instead of a square. It's like, what are we doing? We're not keeping score? Not keeping mold. Bean's last four holes, remember?

50:57Pat McAfee:I think it was Bean's last four holes were like. Needed it. Par, birdie, par, birdie. Stick. Yeah, he's a really good player. But to get the bet, I forget how much we had to donate. I forget what it was. 50? Yeah, I think it was 50 or 100. Yeah, and we weren't there. So, you know, it's always interesting how we just get screenshots of scorecards and they say, yep, donate 50 grand. It's like, all right, you're right. Bean's an honorable guy. Yes, he is. Taking care of all his boys. He talked about last year's offseason, which was just a – Yeah, turn that page. See, they had to get to a new team.

51:28Pat McAfee:This is their new team. They are now in the era of their new team. You asked about getting over the hump, do they? I mean, they got to have all the pieces. They got an MVP quarterback and you got a good team around them. I know if you've been a fan of that organization for a long time, because a lot of you guys probably don't remember, but the four years where they lost. Four falls above. Boy, I love losing the Super Bowl. You know, as a Dolphins fan who didn't win Super Bowls in my lifetime, we would obviously make fun of that. But, yeah, they got to get over the hump. And being there, being that close, you know, he just kind of ran down.

51:58We all remember the 13 seconds and then the failed tush-push and all these different plays. But when you have that quarterback in place and you've got a guy like Brandon Bean running the show, you'll have a chance every year.

52:09Pat McAfee:You got to get lucky with injuries. For sure. Every team does. That's why, can't trust it enough, what the New England Patriots were able to do for 20-plus years. It was insane. Absolutely insane. Just because all you need is injury to one or two of your pillars, one or two important positions, and all of a sudden you got a brand new team. It's like the Detroit Lions last year. Detroit Lions somehow still remain the number one team in the NFC. Brutal. And we couldn't name two players on the defense at the end of the season because everybody got hurt. Over 20 guys. All pros. Yeah. All on the defense.

52:39I was like Tennessee that one year. When Vrabes like the Titans, they lose the Bengals, right, in Tennessee. Yeah, it was 90 active players during that season for them. And to your point there about losing to the Bengals, that's what stings for Buffalo is that, like, the Buffalo, it feels like their circle, like their target is Kansas City. And that one year where Kansas City and Buffalo played in the second round in Kansas City won, then, you know, since he goes on to win the AFC Championship because it feels like that game, the Buffalo KC one every year. It's the game. Balls to the wall. No matter what, that next week, that team's going to be dead, whoever wins.

53:16Pat McAfee:They really do call it the game. It's like becoming the game. Josh, it's Brady, man. The old Patriots and Colts. Yes, exactly. Peyton Tom. Peyton had to get over there at home. Now, granted, Joe Burrow, though, fans, would say, who's the guy that Joe beats him? But do they have a defense? No. Not yet. Do they? We don't know, right? It has a Tanner McKee on it, and they're playing against Cincy. Cincy's in trouble. Okay, I understand what you're saying, what happened in the first game of the preseason. But the Cincinnati Bengals are going to be an interesting case study on this modern NFL because it feels like what they are doing, lighting up on the offensive side, throwing it, everything like that, obviously paying two wide receivers top money, quarterback top money, everything like that.

53:57Pat McAfee:That feels like six years ago in the NFL. Okay? Yeah. Right now, it feels like everybody is gearing up. Now, that's because the Eagles are champs. But everybody's gearing up. Run game, and it feels like that is what everybody's kind of going. O-line, deal of trenches, and run game. And it's like, I feel like the Bengals will be able to score with anybody, but the other teams might be able to just hold the ball. They might not have a lot of, because that's like the defense gets Patrick Mahomes. How do you beat Patrick Mahomes? Well, you've got to keep him off the field. How do you keep him off the field?

54:25Pat McAfee:Well, you control the ball, and then you play good defense if you can. It's like teams will be able to potentially do that against this Bengals team. And I think they're just expecting it. I think it's like, yeah, we might have more 50 points to win a game. We know. We all watch football, been around the game. We know that recipe isn't going to work. Yeah. Great offense will not work on any high level of football, especially in the National Football League, even with Patrick Mahomes. Like, he's obviously been great on his run, but Spags had that defense playing at a high, high level. When the Bengals beat the Chiefs, Lou had a great game plan for them that they went out there and executed.

54:55So defense at some point is going to have to get out there and win you the games. Joe Burrow just had an MVP caliber year last year, And they were fighting and scratching and clawing to make the playoffs, which they didn't. So we know that recipe won't work. And then when you're still doing business, how they're doing it with a guy like Trey, who's been a pillar with their defense, leading the league in sacks, you don't even have this guy suited up yet. You got to get that stuff sorted out. You have to have a chance to have some playmakers on that defensive side of the ball. Joe Burrow is phenomenal, one of the best two-headed monsters at wide receiver.

55:23But the recipe in the NFL has never been a win through wide receivers. Look at some of the greatest wide receivers in National Football League history that went and retired without Super Bowls. You've got to win the game on the ground, in the trenches, and then your phenomenal quarterback is going to have to make some big plays.

55:36Pat McAfee:Those plays, your wide receiver is going to have to make plays for you. Absolutely. Yeah, quarterback wide receiver is going to have to make plays for you, but those are moments. Yes. In those moments, you've got to make them. And it feels like the Bengals will always have those moments offensively where it will be big, but it's like, in the playoffs, does that matter? We'll see, I guess. Well, when they went to the Super Bowl, of course you have to pay Joe, you have to pay Jamar, but they were on rookie deals, so they had money on the defense. That's when Jesse Bates was there. He's like almost MVP.

55:58He was all pro, yeah. He was unbelievable. They had guys and money to spend. And obviously you have to pay Joe and Jamar. That has to happen. But the T. Higgins one, that's why it didn't really make any sense just because it's like, hey, you do need your number one wide receiver. You need a quarterback. You need a number two. But isn't Burrow almost where Josh Allen is where it's like, hey, you would hope that your quarterback is going to make the guy that might not be a number two? No, yeah, but they're paying him as a number one.

56:26Pat McAfee:They have two ones, basically. And it was very evident that they had two ones when they'd been playing together. And we all assume business-wise not going to be able to get everybody done. They did on the offensive side. Did they lose Trey Hendrickson? We shall see. Will they be okay with that? Will it work? No. No. All right. We've got to get to a break. Look at the weather in the cities they're going to have to go to. Like, you're not going to win a whole lot of 49, 42 games. Joe Burrow's from Ohio. I know he is. But they can't stop the run, and they can't run it. We'll see. It's a whole new year.

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58:21Pat McAfee:This podcast is brought to you by the National League of Tone Digs and Peter Schrager and Brandon Beane. I think there's a lot of information in there you would love, especially in the ever turnstile world of college football at the moment. You know, we got new faces, new places, new coaches, new goings, new teams arriving out of nowhere because they have donors that are willing to spend millions and millions of dollars. And that is why the Need to Know Gambler's Guide for College Ball is something that I will read just like I did last year. I love last year's. Went back multiple times throughout the entire year actually to it.

59:00Pat McAfee:Obviously, I get the incredible opportunity to chit-chat about college football every single weekend on the institution that is college game day. But let's go to one half of the hammer. Don Cowboys, AP Tone. How does it feel on this glorious author tone Wednesday, pal? You should feel very proud of yourself, I think. We think. And we would like to say congratulations. Yeah! No, but congrats, Tone. Thank you. I appreciate that. I do feel proud. He jumped a little bit. Not as much because, I mean, the one, you got me right in the face. It felt good, though. Yeah, it's confetti. Yeah, it's confetti.

59:36It's a celebration not only of the book and the book being out again, which I never thought I'd ever do in my life, but college football season is here. And, yeah, it's got a ton of information. If you like college football at all, if you're doing fantasy college football, if you're doing office pulls, if you do gamble, or if you just want to know more about any team or in the power four. I didn't do the group of five. I'd have been about 65 more teams. Sorry about it.

59:59Pat McAfee:But it's on there. You say the odds. Those teams, if you think like Power Four teams' rosters changed, the group of five rosters, those are just getting – Yeah, they're minor league, brother. I mean, that is literally what it's becoming. That is exactly what it is. That's why you just got to hope if your team's in one of those, you have a class that will come in, stay committed, maybe change your entire team, your institution, your university, your entire setting in there. That's what we're hoping for at West Virginia. You know, like in West Virginia, we are hoping, and we're in the Big 12. Obviously, you win, you get in the tournament.

1:00:31Pat McAfee:It's a great place to be. We're in a great conference. But there's a lot of these schools are going to become, like CJ Donaldson is already at Ohio State. He's running back out of West Virginia. And it's like, we have a hard-nosed coach. We're going to have to find a class that's going to come in there, take over, do well, get paid at a West Virginia rate, as opposed to one of these other places. And then all of a sudden, our school hopefully becomes a school that starts taking from other places. And that is the reality of the situation. Because if you're a great player at a smaller school, in Texas, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, you name it.

1:01:00Pat McAfee:The schools that work Texas Tech. Texas Tech is like real deal in this thing. And they will be for as long as this is kind of the game. Any place that has massive donorship is going to be in the game here for a while. And it's like learning all that shit in these smaller schools, ending up players making millions of dollars. Start out making$10 ,000 at a place. Have a great season. Somebody sees you. You get in the transfer portal. all right we have a two-year one million dollar offer or four-year one million dollar offer you it's like lives are changing from those smaller schools but their smaller schools are gonna have to figure out how to develop or they're always going to be a feeder program yep it's kind of like what happened with college basketball we saw where that fau team that went to the final four two years ago or three years ago this year there was a player from that team that was on every single final four team like the shanticleers coastal carolina remember when they were on the 16th or 15th team, like those guys, I bet if you were to go back and look at the players on that team who played, I bet most of them transferred.

1:01:58Like that kid, Willie Lampkin, who the next AQ Shipley that we said went to North Carolina, started at Coastal, like made a name for himself, got good, did one year at North Carolina, then goes to the league. So it's like, hey, for me personally, as a casual, hey, that's a guy who went to North Carolina, ACC. But in reality, he's a Coastal Carolina Chanticleer, and that's where he made his name for himself. On the teal field, bro. Exactly. On the teal field. Like all those type of schools, it feels like, that used to be those sweet, like, oh, wow, Coastal Carolina's 20th in the country. It's like if that does happen, then you're going to see all those guys from that 20th team, unless it's a Rich Rod situation who come in their first year.

1:02:38Nine-year NFL vet, Derrick Shabal is shaking his head. Crazy. Hey, it's cold world. It's a cold game. You know, kids, they got – just turn to – We see them commit now. They're like professional athletes at that point. What was the guy's name yesterday? Jake Kruhl. Jake named, you know, basically his team of like 10 to 12, 15 people going into college. So, yeah, once you get there and you have that year, he's going to a big-time school. So, hopefully he's safe there. He's already done that. It's like coaching. He did that part of IMG. I know. So, those are the guys you expect to be, you know, one-helmet guys in college now.

1:03:08Now it's kind of going to be those guys going into college. It's crazy. Who is it with the Rams? Les Snead was talking about all the guys that he drafted. They started basically on a lower level college and then transferred up. Hungry, he said. Yeah, so, yeah, it's crazy. It's going to be tough for those schools who aren't in that group of four.

1:03:27Pat McAfee:That's an incredible – The power forward. What is that, psychology or sociology? I don't know what it would be. Psychology, I guess. Him saying, we want the guys that – one star, right? We want the one, two star guys that made a name for themselves because we know they will always have a chip on their shoulder. That's some scouting coordinator or some scout walked into the room. It was like, we now have a new opportunity here to get a good read on what a guy's going to be. If they start at incarnate word and then they have to work their way through the state of Washington and then they end up at Miami, probably a great work ethic, probably somebody who is meeting new people, probably somebody that's going to have a chip on his shoulder and is probably told he wasn't good enough.

1:04:08Pat McAfee:Coming out of high school, think about these kids. Jake Kruhl, which we are lucky and honored to be a part of these moments. Anytime that a massive situation happens like that for somebody's life, we're honored to be a part of that. You think Cam Ward, anybody cared what hat he put on coming out of high school? No. Do you think whenever he was looking around at everybody else, getting all the glitz and glamour, he didn't think to himself, I'm better than that motherfucker. I'm better than that motherfucker. I'm better than that guy. I'm better than that guy. So him working his way up, that is an indicator, I think.

1:04:34Pat McAfee:So them using that whenever it comes to scouting a guy, I think it's a good play. But once again, we are promoting now. leaving incarnate, you know, and like going to, not that you wouldn't anyways, but it's like that is the reality of what it's going to become. You just got to hope your team has enough money to keep up. Speaking of, joining us now is a man who is par actually the money to keep up. Imagine. Ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, and one of the biggest donors to The Ohio State University with his annual super-duper cruise.

1:05:10Pat McAfee:and his super duper Halloween backyard carnival. AJ Hawk, ladies and gentlemen. AJ Hawk, have you heard everything we're saying here about the college football world and having a feeding team basically and you just got to hope that if you are a feeding team that you have enough players in one class in one year that you can go on a real run and maybe change things or you got to hope that you just get a group of dudes that just want to stick together and build a program. That feels like where we're potentially headed right now, AJ. I think that's definitely where we're headed And think about some of these kids that are coming out of high school.

1:05:42Like, you're hearing kids getting offered freshman, sophomore year, like so early. Think about those kids that think they're a five-star, that are talented, but they don't get offered by these big-time Division I schools. They're going to go somewhere, and like, you know, there's somebody, some parent or coach saying, hey, don't worry. Hey, you go to, I'm not going to, I don't know, any kind of like, you know, mid-level school. Don't say. You were about to say, don't you even. Yeah. What? I know. I was going to say, I had no schools in mind. I really didn't, but I'm saying, think about it. Go there.

1:06:10You have one good year. Work your balls off. Guess what? You're going to get called up from the Ohio States, the Penn States, the Florida State, whoever the school is you want to go to. West Virginia. Rich Rod's going to call you up. So, like, that's part of it now, too, I think.

1:06:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's a good sell. And also, I bet you that some of the coaches on those teams are saying, hey, you're going to play here, okay? You're going to have an opportunity to do really well for yourself, and there's a chance that literally next year you're seeing what guys are signing for, that you get that opportunity. We just want to provide you with that. There's some schools that will take advantage of that, I assume. And they're like, you're going to get playing time immediately here. You know, I mean, if you go back to Shador and Travis, they go into Jackson State and they start playing. They take over the entire thing.

1:06:51Pat McAfee:Then they take the entire show to Colorado and just kind of do the – they almost had an entire – yeah, they got plucked from a small school, HBCU, to a Big 12 school, the entire operation, not only just the players. We want the entire operations. Bring your social media team up here. Bring the lights and sound people up here. Obviously, all the coaches, anything, they pluck the entire thing up there. So it's like I guess we have seen some situations like that really work out. Yeah, Sig. Yeah. But then there's also the flip side of it, too. Like some of those teams, like a Boston College who is in a power conference, but that is the exact reason why Jeff Halfley, who was their head coach, left and went to go coach in the NFL.

1:07:31He's like, we get four guys who have unbelievable seasons, and they don't even think about coming back. It's just like, get me the hell out of here. I'm not going to the playoff with Boston College. I'll go play in the SEC, or I'll go play at a better ACC school or whatever. So, like, there are both sides to it.

1:07:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, and we would like everybody, all these kids, to remember that when Rich Rod calls from West Virginia, if you're thinking about transferring, get whatever, that's where you want to be. Okay? If you're tough, if you're not tough, we don't want you. Tough, though. I got a text from alumni of West Virginia voice of certain pioneers, old Whitey Williams Justin Whitey Williams and he said Rich Rod needs to just mark it tough we want the toughest dudes we want to be the toughest team in America and I'll tell you I'll be excited to see how it works out with how Rich is you know, just like Coach Rule I guess Coach Rule is the same way Coach Rule is like we're not doing TikToks, we're not doing the whole thing like it is, because other places are going to feast on that whenever they're recruiting like hey have you seen this video it's you're gonna get yelled at you're gonna do this so i think like these schools gonna have to find their niche who they are but also you're gonna have to have money i mean that's just end of the day that's just how it is at college ball yeah it's just like even just thinking about the arc now for players it's more like coaches like coaches you go to the small school to do well and then so you can leave the players you recruited to go to a better school to recruit better players to then leave that school and go to another one and then And maybe you either become a Saban or then you go to the NFL.

1:08:59And for a guy like Jeff Halfley, he might have thought, well, all my players are leaving. And I'm not going to get an offer to be the head coach of Alabama or Ole Miss because I'm the head coach at BC. And my team hasn't gotten better because all my good players leave. So instead of doing that, I'll just go to the NFL. And then maybe I can go NFL coordinator to NFL head coach instead of head coach at BC to head coach at Bama. And now that's what it is for players getting to the NFL. It's kind of awesome, honestly. There's two situations this year where guys went from smaller schools, quarterbacks went from smaller schools to bigger schools, and their OC came with them.

1:09:35John Mateer and his OC came from Washington State to Oklahoma, and then Devin Dampier and his OC went from New Mexico, UNLV, to Utah. So it's like that's like a feeder line too. Like, oh, this quarterback's great. We're going to bring his OC with him too.

1:09:49Pat McAfee:He likes – this was like Cliff Kingsbury was allegedly going to go with Caleb to wherever he was going to go because they knew each other from college or whatever. Joining us now is Amanda. Might have more information on this. To be honest, I don't know his college. I assume it's vast because he loves the draft. Yeah. His college alumni? No, his college could do very well, I think, if they wanted to get into the game. From our understanding of said university, I think there's a lot of money floating around that particular school. 100%. Emmy Award winner. Sideline reporter for Monday Night Football.

1:10:22Pat McAfee:ESPN pundit, friend of the program. He was boots loafers on a ground yesterday at the Jets and Giants training camp, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, potentially tassels. No socks either. Just, oh my God. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schreger. Yeah, Peter Schreger. How you doing, brother? I'm doing better. Great Wi-Fi today. Feeling good. Yeah, well, not only great Wi-Fi today, you've had a great morning. Hey, you have crushed this morning. And how good does it feel? Back in there in New York, we're mingling. We're at Jets-Giants training camp. We're down in New York City at the ABC News studios down there.

1:10:58Pat McAfee:Now we're in our basement here doing the entire conference. It feels like we're all the way back in the football season, Triggs. Is that how you're feeling? It absolutely does. And I'll tell you, just getting one day yesterday, just boots on the ground, seeing the Jets and Giants hit. Boots. You smell it. It's good. We're back. And I know it's a few weeks away, but these inner camp practices that are going on all week, whether it be Philly taking on the Browns, whether it be the Colts and what they're doing with the Packers, whoever's playing right now. Of course. I have heard from so many coaches, this is better than the preseason.

1:11:34These practices, the ones versus ones in front of the fans, this is the stuff where you're actually hitting and you're encouraging them to. And it's a test of strength. Like, I'll tell you, Pat, I get excited. It's early, but like, the Jets strength of their team is the offensive line. They have all these first-round picks. The Giants strength of their team is their defensive line. They were hitting the last two days. Hitting. And I'm like, let's go. We like to see the boys hitting each other out there in New York.

1:12:04Pat McAfee:You were Giants faithful or Jets? I don't remember Giants, right? I grew up a Giants fan, but I am impartial now, my friend. I like all 32 teams. We like to talk about them. Of course you do. Yeah, shaking hands. is not a human in there no it can't have any rooting interest in it all uh okay so let's go to the complete opposite side of the country and this is where i want to start with you strictly because i know how close you are to the entire situation we all do uh matthew stafford in this immortal portal uh and then him missing things where they're saying he's going to be him being in street clothes and then obviously this lingering as long as it has once again we're still three weeks and a day from kickoff on a thursday night in philadelphia there's still a lot of time for a lot of things to happen.

1:12:45Pat McAfee:This seemingly lingering longer than any of us could have imagined. But the messaging is, if there was to be a game tomorrow, he would play. What is the situation with Matthew Stafford, as you know it? And how does Coach McVay feel going into the season about it all? He's 37 years old, so there's nothing he's going to learn in this training camp that he hasn't done, right? He's going to do it. There's not going to risk an injury with him in training camp. That said, two weeks ago, I said I had zero concern about any of this. Last week, I said F1 to 10, I'd say one. We're now three weeks and four days from opening day, and they play a good Texans team opening day with a good front seven.

1:13:23I'd like to see him throw. There was an expectation that he was going to play Monday. Obviously, he doesn't. The thing I'm hearing is this. They're being ultra, ultra, ultra cautious, and that Matthew, if it was up to him, would probably be out there. But they are not risking anything. He's had some pain. They're just going to let him sit until he feels he's fully ready, until they feel he's fully ready. Best doctors in the world out there with that team, best trainer in Reggie Scott. But the question is, does he eventually get some reps in practice before week one? Because as great as we might think on paper it all is and as amazing as he was in the June and May months, we'd like to see it in August just for our comfort from the outside looking in.

1:14:06I don't get the sense that they're concerned about week one. I do get the sense that they were happy with how the offense looked with Jimmy Garoppolo, just in case they had to go that way. Everyone I spoke to who was there, they sliced and diced up that Dallas defense, and Jimmy was that quarterback during the inter-camp scrimmages. So it's going to be an interesting one, but they're not panicking yet. Sean's not panicking. Front office isn't panicking. And from what we know of Stafford, he is one of these guys that if he wanted to get out there, we know he could tough it out. But that's not the answer you want to hear over an 18-week season with a bad back.

1:14:45Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's Stafford with O-U-G-H in the middle there. We know how tough he is in its entirety. He has been. He and I and D-Butts actually drafted in the same class. This is my life. He's still doing the football. Go ahead, AJ. Shregs, is there a possibility that Stafford wants to get out and he feels like he can practice and the Rams are just being very protective of him? They're trying to look out for his longevity. I know that's the thing. People think, how's this guy supposed to play 18, 20 games hopefully this year? Yeah, look, he hasn't said it outwards and the Rams haven't told me that, but the fact that he was throwing on Saturday and had a session where he threw the ball 60 times, just knowing Matthew, I think he would play if it was up to him.

1:15:25and he's being ultra cautious, but I'm sure that the trainers and the medical staff are the ones advising him here that, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's be ultra, ultra sure. Gets a little tricky on who wants to do what and who says what, but if it was week one tomorrow, I don't care what's going on. Matthew Stafford would have been out there. Yeah, and Matthew Stafford is special.

1:15:45Pat McAfee:We're watching these highlights. The one where he's looking directly at the camera and then he gets eagles and he throws slant inside, touchdown. This is deep. Was that championship? That was the divisional round. Divisional round. Yeah, that's playoff game. Very important. Just no look saucing at that point. It's like he is so talented. And we forget. They did the top 10 list. Jeremy Fowler put out the top 10 quarterbacks. And a lot of people were like, Stafford's above Hurts? And I'm like, you could have your Hurts argument. Stafford is amazing. Let's not forget what Stafford did last year. And if they're all healthy this year, what Stafford did.

1:16:21We don't need to do this, Trey. You're already hosted in first take.

1:16:24Pat McAfee:Like, you're already doing it. You're already starting to just pin one against the other. Okay, obviously different situations. With that being said, here's what Peyton Manning had to say about Jalen Hurts when he was talking to Chris Cullensworth. He's on the PFF Plus pod, I do believe. And what Peyton has to say about Jalen at this exact moment is very, very fascinating, especially because of the whole, there's two camps, it feels like, on Jalen, which there probably always will be. Here's Peyton's thoughts on it. I mean, it tells you all about his mental toughness, right? Because that's the kind of situation where it's embarrassing and you just don't sort of recover from it mentally or emotionally.

1:17:02It tells you how mentally tough he is. And they said he was the first guy to high-five Tua in the locker room and was as celebratory after that win as all the players that were involved in the game.

1:17:16Pat McAfee:And you're right. I mean, he's played so well in both those Super Bowls. but I like the way he goes about it. He calls me a lot. I'm just, it asks me lots of questions. They actually run a lot of plays that we used to run. Sirianni to Frank Wright to Tom Moore, sort of that chain. And he calls me with very specific questions about certain plays. So he's a student of the game. You know, as another example, you think, I mean, he squats 600 pounds. He can, you know, run over guys. He can throw in a mile. But his appreciation of the cerebral part of the game is what's impressive to me and how he's taking his game to the next level.

1:17:52And I think the sky's the limit with this game.

1:17:54Pat McAfee:I love to hear that. And obviously, I think Peyton probably enjoys the hell out of current quarterbacks calling and asking for help because he gets to nerd out at a level that only a few can really understand. I heard you lay, I think, say, he was the Super Bowl MVP, won a Super Bowl. He's not being disrespected or something. It's not about what he wins on the field. It's about how everybody talks about him, Shrakes. That's what we're doing in there. Do you feel that Jalen Hurts is always just going to be scrutinized? just like Sirianni seemingly, always going to be scrutinized. Do you think that's just how it's going to be?

1:18:22Pat McAfee:And that's kind of what life is going to be like for him, even though some others might not experience the same? Yeah, it's unfortunate for him that he's surrounded by so much talent and people look to that offensive line as the best in the league. They look at those two wide receivers as two of the best in the league and they look at Saquon Barkley as the best running back in the league. So you take a look at this team and he's the one who gets kind of notched below because 2 ,900 passing yards, he's not going to win you a fantasy championship. yet I look at it. Biggest games. Here's the guy outplaying Mahomes in two different Super Bowls.

1:18:53Here's a guy winning Super Bowl MVP, makes every big throw. He's had six different offensive coordinators the last six times he's taken the field for an NFL or college football team. So I think it's fair for both sides. I think you're allowed to say, hey, look, this guy might not be the first overall pick if I'm redrafting the NFL right now. And he might not be a top five quarterback if I'm redrafting my quarterbacks. But you can also say he has done everything you possibly could ask for and that he is the perfect quarterback for that city, for that team, and for that coach. And you nailed it with Sirianni.

1:19:27I think if you polled all 32 NFL head coaches, hey, who are the coaches you respect the most in the league? Or who's the coach that you think is tops in the game? I don't think they respect Sirianni either. I don't think he's viewed as a top 10 coach, despite all the success. I think they also hold the same stuff against him, but he's perfect for Philly, he's perfect for that locker room, and he is perfect for that quarterback.

1:19:48Pat McAfee:That's so fascinating to hear about Sirianni and his peers because you would think that they would appreciate somebody who acts like himself and has great success, but he probably tells them, hey, there's a lot of that out of Sirianni. I bet he loves that. The other coaches don't like, oh, who cares? Okay, I'll just go beat their ass on Sunday, I guess. Yeah, but you're a doofus. They could say that, right? I think Jeremy Fowler did quarterbacks, wide receivers. I was like, I would love to do an anonymous poll, anonymous at the owners' meetings, 32 head coaches, vote on your peers, one to 32, because we could do it in media and we could give Kyle Shanahan and McVay and all these guys their flowers.

1:20:29This guy, Sirianni, every year is in the playoffs and the last two out of the three is finding himself in the big game. So I respect the hell out of him. I don't know if he gets the same respect amongst his peers that maybe he deserves.

1:20:41Pat McAfee:The whole media is calling for his job after wins. I mean, that is the whole thing. Shrags knows a lot more head coaches than I do, but I think his peers respect him because they know what it takes regardless of what type of talent you have, what type of players you have, where to get a group of guys to buy in, especially to talk about those wide receivers, they ran the ball more than they threw the ball. So those guys got to buy in. They know it more than anybody else. Howie does a great job running that team as well. So being on the same page with him, And then the different coordinators on both sides of the ball that he's had to deal with and manage.

1:21:14Like, I'm sure his peers have a high respect for that. Media, maybe not so much because day one, we remember his first – you can't ever change the first impression. Less thinking, more athlete takeover. But peers even – peers even too, though, with how many older coaches have gotten back in, he still might not be top 10. Like, some people might just – and granted, I mean – I'd be curious. I'm one of those people, but like Pete Carroll. You know, he hasn't been in for a while, but Pete Carroll's back in football. So if they see his name on a list. Exactly. I'm assuming people are putting Pete Carroll.

1:21:42Think about it. Joe Winton worked for him. Look, you go through Mike Vrabel's a new coach. Everyone's going to say, well, Vrabel's one of those guys. You're going to put Sean Payton. He's one of those guys. Pete Carroll. Well, he's one of those guys. Andy. You go down the list. Soon you're at three, four, five, six. Andy Reid is definitely one of those guys. Like, this is the way we talk about. So they're not going to do the actual vote.

1:22:03Pat McAfee:They'll never do it. That's what we're saying. Who's 32? Yeah. It'll never. It'll never. That's a fascinating thing. I would like my coach, too. Oh, I know what they're doing. I would like my coach. Who? No, I will never say who. Okay, good. I like that. That's part of the – that's good. Anonymous. But I would like my coach to abstain from doing anything anonymous. I would like the coach to say, nah, everything I do, I want my name on it. I would like to. I was approached to do an anonymous vote in the locker room one time, and I said, nah, I'd rather just put my name on it. And then he told me what it was.

1:22:35Pat McAfee:I was like, I'm not doing that. what was it what was it for there was a vote on something you know anonymous players were polled on something you know he was like how could this poll actually get proper context to what this situation is to you know just so many things i hated about it like i let alone the anonymity about i don't like that at all you know i don't like now granted i know there's safeness and like uh safety and wellness for whistleblowers okay so i'm different i understand in the real I understand in the real world, we need anonymity for things, but in sports, I really hate it. I really, I don't like, no, I know it has to happen too.

1:23:12Pat McAfee:And I know agents are doing things and there's always work and there's leverage and, you know, there's everything like that. I hate the anonymous. I know you're an Emmy award-winning journalist. I don't do it either. Hey, I don't do that. And I'll tell you what, I came out on, I came out of the gates, ESPN shot out of a cannon draft time. And I was like, I don't have a team that has Shador Sanders as one of their top guys. And I got crushed for it. Everyone's like, oh, you're killing the kid. You're going to be wrong. And that's what I'll say. I'll just tell you what I'm hearing from teams. But I'm not going to be one who's going to say, hey, anonymous source tells me this about this locker room or not.

1:23:45Unless I feel like it's someone that's worth a damn. I'm not taking it from the equipment assistant to the regional manager, whatever it is. It has to be on good stuff for me to go anonymous. Those are the ones, actually. I got the finger on the pole. The best pole we have now yearly with the NFL is the report cards because we know it's coming from the players and the people in the building. And it's not a who's doing this.

1:24:09Pat McAfee:And once again, congrats to the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah. Cardinals went from F-minus on everything to at least a couple Cs and Bs. Hey, Bidwell. Yeah, Bidwell. Our God. We love that out of Bidwell. Okay, let's talk about some football stuff, shall we? Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Schrags, do we have any kind of update on Terry McLaurin? We saw a picture from Commander's Camp that him and Adam Peters were talking to each other. He looked pretty bummed out. Obviously a tough situation just standing there, but what's going on here? I think everyone kind of assumed that this was going to get done at some point, and now we're three weeks and a day from the season starting and nothing's happening.

1:24:50What's going on? They obviously need him if they want to replicate what they did last year. They need him, but at what cost? I think it's a fascinating, fascinating one here because you can go in on Micah and Trey Hendrickson and you can talk about the numbers and APY and all this. Terry McLaurin is a fascinating case. And I talked about this weeks ago with you guys. It hasn't changed in that he wants a certain number. And I don't know the exact number, but it's a certain number of a certain caliber of wide receiver. And it's in that range of guys where he and his agent believe he belongs and has put the time in and has earned it and is more than just a player.

1:25:21He's the locker room. He's the face. He's everything. And I think the Washington side of it is, let's be realistic here. He's this years old. What's he going to be ascending to? Are we paying him on past performance? Adam Peters was with the Niners when they went through some brutal negotiations, and they usually found a way before the season started. They usually got things done. I think Adam Peters will find a way to get it done with his agent, Buddy Baker, who's an Indianapolis-based guy for many years. And, of course, Terry is an Indianapolis-based guy. but right now it seems like they're a bit apart and the guaranteed money might be the aspect or it might just be APY.

1:25:57Whatever it is, they're not willing to just say, you know what, the last three years we stunk and you were the nicest guy and you were the best guy and you wore the C. We're going to reward you and then pay you on future. They want to pay him for what they think that they think they're going to get in the future on that contract. And I don't know if they necessarily look at him as a Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson type player.

1:26:16Pat McAfee:Okay, so on that note, do you think Terry was a Colts fan growing up? without a talent. Man, it'd be great for him to come save the team. How great would Terry McLaurin be in the Indianapolis Colts locker room on that offensive side of the ball? Legitimately. Let alone playing ability, which is unbelievable. Maybe not Malik Neighbors, which I think Malik Neighbors is going to be great. Obviously, he saw highlights. You told us with a straight face that Malik Neighbors ranked higher than him. I think he's there. Yeah, yeah. I bet you do. Non-biased, non-biased. This isn't the New Yorker in me. I think Malik Neighbors is viewed as a top tier.

1:26:50Pat McAfee:going to be one of those guys. And Terry is. Terry already has been. Nonetheless, so you, media maybe views Terry a little bit different. Media! Yeah, media. Whole. As a whole. As a whole. You, representing them all. That's what we're going to take you going forward. Here's Terry McLaurin as a child. Wait a second. Holy shit. Now, I just, I would like to let the Washington commanders know, okay, that I am just going to speak for one city. I think you can speak for about 10. I was going to add kill for the Packers to have. But I'm just adding in the fact that the Indianapolis Colts thing, the narrative could easily be like, hey, brother, we need your leadership in this locker room.

1:27:27Pat McAfee:We need you in the weight room. We need you. We need you. And that is how Terry is viewed, I think, by everybody, right? Like, hey, this guy is the locker room guy, the guy you want, leader, dog, and also will show up and compete. Like, which is why I ask you this, Shrakes. Yeah. Is letting him sit out there with a hoodie on looking like an asshole a part of the leverage from the team? I do wonder with that. Like the hold-ins. Making guys go stand out in front of their teammates, in front of the fans. Like media is obviously taking photos of them and just kind of doing it. I think that goes against a lot of what these guys are naturally, especially Terry.

1:28:04Pat McAfee:Like I think Terry does not want to be an abstraction. I think Terry wants to be with his team. So it's like I wonder if that is utilized as a point of leverage. Like at some point he'll get sick of having to go out there and just stick out like a sore thumb, which I assume he does. How much is that chatted about, Shregs? Because that is something that never really gets talked about. I bet you Terry hates, just like Trey Hendrickson. They hate that this is a part of the entire game, I would assume. They hate being fined even more. And if they're not there, they get fined real money, and those fees cannot be forgiven.

1:28:34They used to be, all right, hold out, and then when you come into camp, we'll pay it all back. That's the new CBA. That's it. You miss a day of practice, you are being fined, and you are going to pay for that. So he has to be there. So, of course, the team carries the weight. Everyone in the stands is watching him sit there with a hoodie on, and they're like, well, he's just signed a contract two years ago. Why is he not out there? He makes$25 million. The narrative starts to turn every single guy who's not out there. That said, he's standing on business. And that's what the kids say. That's so big, Sean.

1:29:04Pat McAfee:Pac-Man, that is literally what he's standing on right there. If you were to look at that particular picture right there. but yeah I assume that I completely changed the way I view Jonathan Taylor with the way the entire thing went and I assume Jonathan Taylor didn't love it at all but we just had number four overall pick you were one of the teams not good brother you get paid a lot of money and now you're with a new quarterback new coach new everything need you out there you're the best player that's what he did and he got rewarded for it so that sets a precedent for the rest of the team his deal is Still is looking good.

1:29:42Aging well. Yes, it is. But didn't Terry request a trade? I don't like him. Where are they at with that? I don't know about all that. I thought I saw that. Are you making things up right now? No, I thought he requested a trade. I thought I saw that. We're getting word from the back. He did request a trade. Whoa. Did he? I don't know that. Look, I know Micah Parsons wrote the biblical scrolls, the Ten Commandments, and actually came out and said publicly he did all that. I don't know if Terry is going to be as vocal about that. If he did make a trade request, it was behind closed doors via his agent, and it wasn't as public as what's going on between Jerry and Michael.

1:30:24Pat McAfee:Okay, well, just Chris Bauer, why don't you go ahead and kick the tires. Why don't we go ahead and snoop around? Adam Schefter, July 31st. Terry McLaurin requested a trade, as Schultz Report also reported. Schultz, he got that one first, it sounds like. He also. So I had to pay a little bit of respect. I watched Schultz yesterday. He was at Jets Giants. No shit. Yeah, that is. Yeah. If you were to tell me or ask me, who is one person you think that is definitely at Jets Giants training camp? Gun to the head. This is it. You get it wrong, you're dead. Fate of the universe. Can't say that about everyone.

1:30:59Pat McAfee:I saw Schultz. He was there. Good. He's amazing. Who's on the ground? Of course he is. That's what Schultz does. But also. Oh, yeah. Shaking hands. Oh, my God. Kissing babies. Thanks for having me back, guys. The amount of friends, family friends that are roaming around down there that he has known of the entire life. I just reported the facts. Schultz was there. That's all I'm saying. Boots on the ground, Schultz. I think he's doing his own independent thing too, right? He is, yeah. He's going to get in that door by himself. Good for him, man. Well, yeah. Eventually. I don't think he kicked that thing down.

1:31:30I think he maybe made a call or two, and they, you know, rolled the red carpet out. But we got it done. Still there. We got it number one. Yeah.

1:31:37Pat McAfee:Still there, which we love. That's what we love about them. Let's do a little inside information stuff, you know. What's going on in the state of cheese? Go ahead, AP Tone. Yes, Strags, we're talking about teams that could use wide receivers potentially. The Green Bay Packers wide receiver room is currently a walking morgue. It feels like they have a wide receiver dropping every single day. And pass. What? What? What was that? No, go ahead. Also, their quarterback is having surgery on his left hand, a non-throwing hand. What do we think the panic level right now is in Green Bay? Look, I will say this.

1:32:14A lot of people are like, oh, it's his non-throwing hand. It's not great. It's not fatal. It's not something that's like, oh, they're not going to go to the Super Bowl. But to not have Jordan Love in practice because of a non-throwing hand or to not have him being his full, that's not great to have that in mid-August. Last year, they go week one. he gets hurt on that surface down there in Brazil comes back and you could argue the entire season he came back very soon got back on the field quicker than a lot of people anticipated, played through injury got them to where they were and maybe the whole season wasn't the same way as it should have been if he was just healthy week one you don't want to always have yeah but with the quarterback, now this was an avoidable thing whatever it is, the wide receivers room sounds like injuries here, issue here you know, whatever you got over there.

1:33:04It still don't feel like, all right, go Packers. Whereas you want it to come into this season humming on all things. Look, the response from Golden so far has been unbelievable. Jordan Love has talked glowingly of him. This is the first time they've got this guy. Is he a blue chipper? I think we're putting him on that mantle right now. We're putting him in that spot. I think we've got to see it before we say, oh, the Packers are this much better on offenses here because they got Matthew Golden. We'll see. No, yeah, I mean, I agree on all points. I mean, the thing I won't panic about, Josh Jacobs is going to get 400 carries this year.

1:33:39And he didn't play in their own lines very good. So as long as Josh Jacobs doesn't, you know, break his foot, break his leg or something like that. But, yeah, that's why the Terry McLaurin thing, because they always talk about, hey, you have this great group of young receivers. It's like, well, maybe, just maybe, they need a good veteran in there to kind of coach these guys up and tell them what needs to happen to be a good receiver in this league.

1:34:01Pat McAfee:I don't know. I don't know. Hold on, Shregs. It might not matter with what's going on in Green Bay or Minnesota or Chicago. Have you heard Motor City Dan Campbell's conversation with Brad Galley? Not Brad Huggs. Didn't say Smith. Brad Galley, local media in Detroit. Listen to this. They got two new coordinators. They got a lot of change. MCDC still exists. Is there a bit of an edge to you at all this year with so much written about the coordinators leaving? An edge to you maybe to prove to everybody that you're still the head coach of this team, that you're still at the helm of this for five years and that there shouldn't be concern?

1:34:42Well, I think, man, it's not hard for me to find things that can drive you. I mean, I feel like that's the world we're in. That's how I was as a player. That's how I am as a coach. Like, I'll pull anything negative because it motivates me. So I would be lying if I said, no, that doesn't, you know, that doesn't get me going a little bit. You know, that's the next challenge. So, yeah, I'm excited about it. Ben's great. Aaron's great. No doubt. But is there part of you that says, I've been here the whole time steering this ship as well? Well, I think the important thing is, and what I wanted to start this thing off with, and us and the group of people we're with is, man, it takes a village.

1:35:22And if you want your team to play like a team, then we have to function like a team as coaches, as GM, head coach, ownership, management. And I think that's important. So what we do, we do as a team. And I've said this before, man, if I really did this right, I should be able to just leave and these guys don't miss a beat.

1:35:42Pat McAfee:Incredible answer there by MCDC and the culture he is built or trying to build. We shall see how this year goes. Nobody really talking about the Detroit Lions, Shregs. What are your thoughts? I think there are a lot of interested parties on how those new coordinators do perform and I think it really goes to John Morton who's a guy who's been coaching the league for 30 years and was maybe a surprise pick to be the new offensive coordinator of course he had history with Dan Campbell but like if you're telling me Ben Johnson is the greatest offensive genius in the last decade and they had all these things that have been coming out of this team with the Penny Sewell running in motion and Jameer Gibbs being used a hundred different ways and JMO and what they got with Amon Ross and Brad, and you're taking him out of the equation and you're replacing him with a new coach, I think it's fair to question how that dynamic is going to go.

1:36:29And it's amazing because here's Jared Goff who has been to a Super Bowl, has been to two NFC Championship games, had the number one seed last year, has the mega contract, is an all-pro bowl, pro bowl, all-pro guy. And yet year 10, people are like, is Jared Goff good enough to do this without Ben Johnson? They all have massive chips on their shoulders. And I can't come here on August 14th or whatever date it is and tell you.

1:36:54Pat McAfee:13th, it's author turn day. Sorry. I can't come here and tell you with confidence that this offense isn't going to miss a beat. I just can't because I don't know what it is. And I think Ben Johnson is that good. So all the pressure does go back on to Jared Goff and Dan Campbell. And let that motivate you guys. But gosh, Ben Johnson was a very big piece of this revitalization. We cannot just erase him from the history. Yeah, so is Aaron Glenn. I mean, you start doing those conversations, you start thinking about how great these guys are, but this is what good teams have to deal with. And you talk about great teams have to deal with, and if you talk about Sirianni's kind of respect level amongst his peers, he's lost his coordinators and had to do this.

1:37:33Pat McAfee:Patriots, I don't know if it didn't really happen often to you guys. Coordinators, it did early, and then after, then it kind of started to turn where everyone was like, Bill's assistants suck. Yeah, you're right, Mangini and Cleveland. But like McDaniels, Flores, Mangini. Romeo Cornell. Schwartz, yeah, Cornell. Like there were a few. And some people would credit Vrabes even though, you know, he played there. He didn't really coach for him. Yeah, he didn't really coach there. But, yeah, he still will get like, well, he learned a lot from Bill. Yeah, they give that. That's his tree. Andy Reid, they got the same coordinators.

1:38:06Pat McAfee:Well, they got all Hall of Famers, right? Yeah, Tobe. Lost Nagy for a couple years, came back. You know, Spags, zero head coaching interviews all last offseason despite having the best defense in the league when it mattered and wanting to maybe get a look to be a head coach, the NFL, the rest of the 31 other owners, they know better. They don't need to interview SAG. They don't need to interview SPACs. Yeah, sir, you've already had opportunity. We don't need to do that again. You're right where you're supposed to. I get heated on this one. You love SPACs, huh? So do we. That's my guy. That's my guy.

1:38:33And the way that players respond to him is like no other. He is as great a leader of men in this league as there is, and 31 other teams just think, nah, we're good. We're going to not even interview the guy. We're good. We're fine. Whatever.

1:38:45Pat McAfee:Andy Reid, Hall of Famer. Tobe, Hall of Famer, special teams. And then Spaggs, Hall of Famer on defense as coordinators. And they're all back again. I got my homes. Travis Kelsey and 7 o 'clock tonight. Yeah. Big deal. Taylor Swift's on new heights, Shrags. Yep, set the alarm. I don't know what you're doing, Shrags. I don't know what you're doing right there. I don't know what that was, but you need to check your reactions before whatever they are. You take your breaks all the time? Yes. 144 million? Yeah, I don't think there's really a question. What's all time, though? Sports? Because didn't Trump do one with Joe Rogan?

1:39:20I feel like that's a pretty monster podcast.

1:39:22Pat McAfee:I mean, maybe their entire average will jump enough for this for them to get an entire average boost that's insane, which they will for sure. Oh, yeah, definitely. They released the stats after this was announced. They picked up like 100-some thousand or 200-some thousand followers on Instagram. Which is a gigantic number. Everybody sees that The Rock has like 150 million or something like that, and they're like, wow, that's what a lot of followers are. It's like 100 ,000, 200 ,000 new subs before something is even out is a gigantic movement. That is a big needle move. And then it was subscription to the podcast went up like 21 ,000 % or something like that from where it was like four weeks ago.

1:39:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, so Rogan does so many people every show. I mean, it is grotesque what he does. There's also some others. I believe Call Her Daddy has massive numbers. Have you gone on that yet? On what? Call Her Daddy? No, I have not. She's a dog, though. She's a beast, man. Yeah, absolute beast. I got a lot of respect for anybody that is able to do in this world. No doubt. I say this in a different way. But, yeah, that is gigantic. This is what you've been waiting for. I cannot wait. I hope she spills some business in there. She is a beast. Work ethic, behind the scenes. I watched that documentary with my wife of her.

1:40:38Pat McAfee:Completely different view of Taylor Swift. And people hate her for whatever reason. You know, she's the biggest star on earth, so people are going to hate her. The more people that know you, the more people naturally that aren't going to like you. But what an absolute goat roaming around. And then Travis, obviously, what a superpowers coming together type thing. And remember, they weren't actually in love. This was fake. Yeah. This was an industry plant. We saw the breakup line. Yeah, exactly. Saw the whole thing. Now they're doing this. It's like, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. And I believe Travis on our show said he invited to the gate.

1:41:08Pat McAfee:I think like there is a part of our show that's part of their story. So I always was hoping that they were legit. And I think they're perfect for each other straight. You know what was cool? I think they're perfect. Don't really show me a lot about her. Obviously, you don't need to give my validation. But when she starts playing at Tight End University, and she's up there and starts performing for the Dan Orlovskys and all the guys that are in there. This isn't, she's not selling out the Tokyo Dome here. She's playing at some hockey tonk in Nashville or a bunch of tight ends talking about wheel routes.

1:41:41Pat McAfee:I'm like, all right, she's good by me. I like that. Yeah, I think there was a little bit of booze maybe too. There was a little bit of party. And then the band also, like her walking around saying hello, telling them, hey, we're playing blah, blah, blah. It's like the amount of talent that's just on display in front of you. Yeah, that's a cool thing. That is a very cool relationship that's happening during our lifetime. People, hey, there's some people. I think Taylor pokes fun at that actually. Oh, I know a lot of male sports fans are really going to love seeing more of me, especially on this podcast.

1:42:07Pat McAfee:That was good. Yeah, it was a good little self-ful thing there early. I like it. I like what they're doing. What is she going to say in there? TS12, I guess, is the new era. It's a new album. Yeah. Life of a songwriter. Showgirl, showgirl. Have a little respect, please. Jeez Louise, boy. That's not disrespectful. I'm not a diehard Swiftie. I like her music, but I'm not. Did you open your phone, though, just in the last two days? Yeah, I saw it, but I'm not committing it to memory. Like, oh, it's her next album. Life of a showgirl? Yeah, I'm not doing that. Not a tortured poet. You got too much already in here Yeah exactly I don't have any room I'll download the album Sure of course I'm not committing the name of the album to memory I'm sorry right now or probably when it comes out What about a 12-12 on the 12th That is cool I like that gimmick How about a little Easter egg The scavenger hunt type Very cool she gets it Very committed to that too Oh yeah Setting stuff up for that Long time.

1:43:06Is she still the number one dog, though? I felt like this summer there was a lot of Chapel Roan. Peter, you want your mouth?

1:43:14Pat McAfee:Pink Bunny Club is the right. You're going to bring up Taylor. Not on this Chapel Roan. It's the next name. You need to just understand. She has a chip on her shoulder. Oh, Taylor. Good Lord. Yes, she has a chip on her shoulder, always. She's one of them. Mahomes spanked the whole. He is Everest. She is them. She is the mountain. I can't believe you just did that. How dare you doubt our queen. I almost want to end this conversation. We had one more question. We like Chapel Road, too. Yes. We are big, big. My daughter. Yeah, my daughter. Yeah, that's on. We're talking about Taylor Swift, brother.

1:43:46Pat McAfee:Yeah. There's levels to this shit, bro. I get it. Okay? No, you don't. I'm not questioning her. I'm asking if right now, are the kids in this moment, are they listening to Taylor? Or have they moved on? Because it's been a year since the last album. And she's like, I'm going to go re-get my phone. Dude, they don't move on. We appreciate you, Shranks. 10 year olds maybe their first album will be TS-12 guess what they're in just like every other generation Gen Alpha will be in TS-12 is the first album they're listening to guess what they're doing they're not waiting for 13 they're going to 11 all the records she had already are about to get broken again because Gen Alpha is coming in going back to that love story going right back shooting.

1:44:31Yeah.

1:44:32Pat McAfee:They're feeling 22 all of a sudden, aren't you, Shrags? This is outstanding. Seriously, to watch you kind of live through this with us. But you need to check yourself. We think tonight's numbers on New Heights will be record-breaking. No doubt. Yeah, they will be record-breaking. Warranted, though. I'm excited to hear what happens. I'm excited to hear how it goes. We will say this, though, Shrags. Having you on our show is like our Taylor Swift. Man. Yeah. Come on. Right, Foxy? Amen. Well said. I mean, I would argue he is more of the Chapel Rhone and Michael Lombardi's artillery swift, but I understand what you're saying.

1:45:06Pat McAfee:That is a valid bluster. I mean, it kind of changed me right here. Yeah, that is a... But that's good. Hey. I love Pink Pony Club. I love Pink Pony Club. Yeah, that is the same. Think highly of both. Bold superstars. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy Award winner. new Swifty, I guess. This guy's not a Swifty. I'm a Swifty. He's not. I don't know if he's winning any awards now that he claimed. Yeah, that's a bad idea, brother. Wrong side. August. I love that stuff, man. August. It's a song. It's a song. He heard Aaron say that in an answer. You remember Aaron said that to Jets on social media?

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1:47:17Pat McAfee:That's exactly where he got that. Because Aaron gave that answer literally to the Jet social media person. Favorite song. I was one of his best. Huggies, man. He's straight. Yeah. He's rolling. He's rolling. Great Wi-Fi. He had one of these today. Yeah. Hard laugh into the camera. Didn't know if it was a positive or a negative. He's not on the side of Les Taylor Swift at football. No. No. No. I think he's on the side like he doesn't care. Like Ty kind of was saying. Yeah. Which was very valid. I will say for the sport of football, especially flag football. We talk about this all the time. If flag football continues to grow in the girls and, you know, at younger age, It's like, we got a whole new sport coming.

1:47:54Pat McAfee:We got a whole new world for the NFL. The NFL is always like, we need to expand football into Europe and then globally more. It's like, what about the other half of the United States of America? We can get them playing football. And if they're playing football, they're going to love the sport as much. It's like, that is a whole other growth department for the NFL and for football as a whole that I'm very pumped to see, especially as a girl dad. You know what I mean? And my girl runs a lot. We're running a lot. Everybody's running a lot at that age. Is that kind of a thing? Oh, yeah. She's moving a lot.

1:48:29That's an active age, yeah. Turn your head and she's like 150 yards away.

1:48:33Pat McAfee:It is awesome, though. Because she's like laughing while running. And just like enjoying it. I'm like, yeah, let's continue to run. Let's not think running is punishment. Let's think running is fun. Yeah, because your dad, you see, views running as punishment. Exactly. Me too. Me too. It is very hard to get out there. They want to do it. So, yeah, we're happy running. We're happy running. Speaking of being happy, isn't it great whenever we get a chance to chit-chat with somebody who's not only a local boy, but also great at what he does? Hell yeah. A young stud that we learned about as being the low amateur at the 2024 Masters.

1:49:06Mm-hmm. Out of the Ohio State University.

1:49:10Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, Corn Fairy Tour golfer, ladies and gentlemen, Neil Shipley. Hey, Neil! Hey, boys. Neil. Good to see you guys. Hey, it's great to see you. You look fantastic. Are you out there on the course right now? No, we're just sitting near the pool deck here at beautiful Hillcrest Country Club in Boise, Idaho. Wow. I'll tell you what, golf is a good thing to be good at. Yes. You know, because the views. Big head nod there. Speaking of being good at, I have an official announcement for you. And I don't think you know this, but you might have known that it was around the corner.

1:49:46Pat McAfee:Each year, 20 players earn a PGA Tour card through their position on the end-of-season Corn Fairy Tour points list. Throughout the season, the PGA Tour monitors players at the top of the list, and when they meet a certain threshold, they are declared hashtag Tour band, which means they've locked up their PGA Tour card for the following season. Neil Shipley, it is with our honor, and I kind of gave it away there. You have a brain, so you certainly understood what was going on and been following along. But we are so incredibly lucky to be a part of a moment that we hope changes the trajectory of your life, your family's life, and everything you've got going on.

1:50:22Pat McAfee:Congratulations, brother. With two massive comeback wins this season, you're a top 100 player in the world now. You've officially locked up your PGA Tour card. You are hashtag Tour Bonds, sir. Congratulations. Thanks, boys. Hey, we're proud of you, buddy. This is a big deal. I assume this is something that was on your radar and with this obviously becoming official, how do you feel? Congrats, man. We're proud of you. I'm so pumped. I'm really excited to be on the PGA Tour next year and get back out there. I feel like it's where I belong. I'm really stoked for the opportunities that are to come here.

1:51:04I really appreciate you guys being a cool part of this and surprising me here.

1:51:09Pat McAfee:Surprise you. That was the thing that we were kind of presented as a surprise and we're like we if we were neil and you guys you right they sent it sent me this as like the official proclamation you know like hey if you want to read like an official thing here it is and it's like each year 20 players earn their pga tour card from the corn fairy tours pointless it's like that's something you guys are monitoring all year right i assume that is something you're actively watching and everything as the season goes on yeah yeah a hundred percent you know it's uh it's something that we're totally watching you know we a point total in mind that we think we might get just based off previous years.

1:51:44So it's something I figured I was kind of past that threshold, but finally getting the official hashtag tour bound stamp is pretty sweet.

1:51:52Pat McAfee:Okay, we thought that was a nice added bonus. Thought of it about five minutes before we went live, so I apologize on it not being perfectly across your face, but we did get the point across. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Neil, do you have any idea how many events you will play in next year in your first PGA, your first season with your official tour card, and who are you looking forward to possibly playing with that you may not have gotten paired with yet? I'll probably play somewhere in the range of 20, 25 events. That's a pretty typical season. It's a lot of time on the road, but it's fun. We go to a lot of cool places on the PGA Tour.

1:52:23I'd really like to – I haven't played a Scotty yet. I've gotten to interact with him a bunch, but I'd love to watch his game up close in person. He's just – he's an absolute animal.

1:52:32Pat McAfee:Yes, I would say from watching outside in, And DeChambeau says he has the greatest ball spin and yardage control that he's ever seen. And that is why he is different. That would be cool to do a run. Hey, you're in the same tour as him. Hell yeah. Gotta beat him. You're in the same tour as him. Come on. You gotta hate him. We got like two minutes before a hard out. D-Bud has a question for you, Neil. PGA Tour player, Neil Shipley. Since Turner Pro last year, what has been some things, I guess, that have surprised you? How much have you had to add to the team, being that so much more is on your plate now?

1:53:03yeah you know it's uh it's definitely surprised me how tough it is being on the road for this long i mean i'm doing i think 24 25 weeks this year and um we're doing like four weeks in a row a lot of times and i tell you when you get to week four you know what you eat and how you treat your body really starts to add up so i've been paying a lot more attention to that and taking a little bit more time to rest and i think uh you know i'm i'm still i'm 24 we're starting to get older starting to feel it a little bit more every day. But trying to get ahead of the curve there and start treating our body like I'm an athlete.

1:53:36Pat McAfee:Yeah, you are, by the way, at the highest level now in your particular profession. I think 25, my metabolism started changing. I think my body started changing. Last one. 26, maybe. I forget what it was. I used to be able to just do whatever. And then all of a sudden it started showing up and I'm like, yo, I'm an old man now. But you're not old. You're very young. fresh into a PGA Tour career that we'll be speaking about for generations and generations. We're proud of you, bud. Congratulations. Thanks, Pat. Appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Neil Shipley of the PGA Tour. Yeah! Tour bond. Tour bond.

1:54:10Pat McAfee:Tour bond. It's huge. It is cool, man. I used to watch Big Break and they give out a cue card. You know, you have to earn a cue card to get onto the tour. And there was a series of tough trials that you had to get through. Whether it was breaking glass and tic-tac-toe or having to chip it over a ring. That was a great opportunity. Big break. I once dreamt of being on that show someday and getting a cue card. You got the Unduffable. Yeah, I even bought the Unduffable after watching the big break. So, I mean, I was proud to be. We were very honored to be a part of this awesome moment for Neil Shipley.

1:54:49Pat McAfee:But I assumed he had already known. For sure. But we just stamped it officially. Yeah, made official. He didn't win. today. He knew at some point. But today's the day, Neil. You did it. We knocked on the door like we were David Baker. Yeah, exactly. Via FaceTime while he's at a country club in Boise. Wow, Chuck's. That's Chuck's club, yeah. Those golf lives are great. Alright, fuck that. We'll see you then. So bad. I'm thinking a word of it. I'm muted. Fuck that. That was so bad. Couldn't get a word of him. I had no idea if I wanted to transition to, like, hey, we continue or continue to give Neil his credit, you know?

1:55:32Pat McAfee:It's just. It's far. Yeah, it was an interesting moment there in my brain. Nonetheless, he had to have. Yeah, absolutely. He knows he has enough points to qualify, right? So top 20 of the Corn Fairy, make it, get their card? Yeah, but then there's, like, a certain threshold, too, so I don't know if it's. I would imagine if you win twice on the Corn Fairy Tour, that is putting you. There aren't a whole lot of guys, I would assume, that are winning two times. Is it just top 20 money list, Ty? Do you know? Top 20 money list, the winners? Yeah, and then it said certain thresholds. There's a lot of wording.

1:56:04Pat McAfee:Hold on. It's like live. DeChambeau. I mean, there's so many people that are trying to get that card. It's unbelievable to even hold a PGA Tour card. Agreed. I think you get some good perks, too. The PGA doesn't pay you, of course. You gotta go earn that. But I do think you get some perks other places. You know, show up, ain't golf course, ain't done. What's the record here? Where's the T-Buck? Where's the T-Buck? What's the record? I need a cart and a caddy. I think he's part of it. I don't know if that's... They should make that a rule if that's not a rule, by the way. It should be. Remember those NFL PA cards that guys used to have?

1:56:38Pat McAfee:Oh, man. What'd they get you? I think that got me in trouble, actually. I think when they went through my wallet as I was being, you know, sitting there in the middle of a parking lot about 4 or 5 a.m. in Indianapolis, and they saw that thing buried in there, I think that potentially, what do we have here? You think you're special, huh? Is it like one of those Mustang cars we would walk around and sell to fundraise in high school? You go to Subway, get 10 % off? No. Oh, those were awesome. Those were very cool. And we had a guy at West Virginia, Adam. I apologize for forgetting your name, brother.

1:57:13Pat McAfee:Name was Adam. He was like entrepreneur at college. Always hustling, this guy. Always hustling. They all had one. He had these wristbands that he was selling that were like those discount coupon books. So you get a wristband, you buy this wristband, and obviously you get a deal at like, you get ice cream for this amount of price. You get this at this certain thing. At this club, you get this dollar amount for beer. At this restaurant, you get chicken tenders for free with this order. And he was like, he sold these wristbands. Genius idea. I mean, it was absolutely genius. I wonder if the PGA has a wristband.

1:57:48Pat McAfee:Is that what the NFLPA card's like? You tell me you've got to wear this wristband 24-7 that this guy sells you? Who's doing that? To be clear, I would like to let everybody know I did get$40 ,000 out in loans in college at a 28 % interest rate. Pretty solid, right? So I did do that. I did have access to funds when I was in college. You need the wristband. I did not wear a wristband full time, but I did respect the shit out of wristband. If he was having an event and we were all going to a party, I would certainly get wristband support through the entire thing. But yes, people were wearing it all day.

1:58:23Pat McAfee:It was back in wristband time, though. Live strong. Live strong. People were doing it. Balance bands. It was a good idea. But the NFL card was like a student card that you would have at university. Yeah, you get into a lot of places. A lot of guys would use me to get in the clubs, skip lines. I was always the guy. I never wanted to show something to somebody and then get embarrassed. Oh, yeah. So I would never do it, but people would tell them who you are, you know, whatever it is. I certainly wanted to be with a group that had one person in it that did, though. Oh, yeah, for sure. There was a couple moments getting into clubs or various establishments where, boy, this looks like a long time getting here.

1:59:05Pat McAfee:We are not known enough to stand here and get the attention to get in here. but boy if somebody in here would go up there and do the asshole thing yeah that would be great and i would always try to mingle away from where this was happening and then i'm trying to sneak in last second sure always gonna have to be a yes he's with us with the because i have been cut off that yes he's with us because that's how far away i wanted to remain from the usage of the card one of these before that was it was the optically it was the worst thing of all time and uh it looked bad. But when it worked... You need that guy, though.

1:59:43Every group needs that guy.

1:59:45Pat McAfee:Hey, you should go take a swing at it. We are going to spend a lot of money in here. You can't... Yes. I can tell you, personally, what I can promise, what you can promise, I will be buying a lot of things for a lot of people if we were to get in there. We will, too, right? Yeah. And I think that was always the message. Got a couple thousand bucks. Oh, man. What a time. So he's got one of those now. Yeah, I've heard that. about the tour card? Like, growing up, that was always what people said, but I never knew if it was true or not. They don't pay for golf anymore. No. I assume they don't. Scotty said he hasn't paid.

2:00:16Yeah. He was just asked that. He hasn't paid for a round. Well, because someone's calling. Someone's, even if they don't, even if you're not a really well-known PGA Tour guy, I would imagine your caddy or manager is going to call the course you want to go play. Somebody's taking a card. Hey, he's coming. Somebody's taking a card. Because imagine, like, yeah, can you imagine showing up if you are a PGA Tour golfer? A lot of people don't know by looking at him, and you think, the guy's like, all right,$625 for your green speed. Like, oh, wow. I was told. Not even that. They send you out and play with a guy who's like a 30 handicap.

2:00:45You've got to be with a member. You're right. Need you out there with a member.

2:00:48Pat McAfee:Need you out there with a member. Golf is a good thing to be good at. Oh, yeah. For sure. And as I grow older, it's becoming more and more evident. I like that Neil's from a cold-weather state. I can't stress how difficult that is. Yeah. It's always Texas, Florida, or California. He didn't move. as a high school. He might have. I would assume he had to. He went to Central, right? Oh yeah, he was Central Catholic High School. Oakmont was his place. He's there now. That's really impressive. Those guys stick together too. That's what Keegan Bradley said. He's like, I'm a Northeast golfer. I take a lot of pride in that just because I'm not from a Florida...

2:01:24Pat McAfee:That was before Sim. Now, Neil Shipley might have been in Sim era. Definitely. And he's traveling to all those Junior Tours all year round. Ohio State. He could have went to a warm-weather college and chosen that. Yeah, he could have chosen a little bit easier route. Now, spring is not terrible in a lot of places. And he's an Ohio boy, so he grew up with a Buckeye in his hand. Pittsburgh boy. Speaking about Ohio. Don't give him the Ohio. Have you been following LeBron's golf journey? Hand up. I love that he's golfing. Hand up. Love it. I love that he's golfing. His swing, the first time he stepped out there, I love that he went for it.

2:01:59Pat McAfee:Yeah. You know, LeBron has watched others golf that he is viewed as less athletic than him. And I'm not saying he's saying that outwardly, but in his brain, he is watching people do this. I just need to do what they do. Probably watched a lot of film. And he committed. I appreciated how he committed to swinging really, really hard that first couple times. But him getting the bug, him loving wine. It's like you can see the hurt. You can see it all coming together. Jordan arc. It's been good. Playing at night, playing in the rain, all the shit that, you know, everybody when they catch that bug. And when he was actually here after the LeBron-versation, I asked him and Steve, like, hey, you guys play golf?

2:02:38Neither one of them had played golf until that point. So I'm going to tell my grandkids I got LeBron in the golf. Okay. Hey. Hell yeah, D-Bone. Thanks for doing that. Hell yeah. Hey, you're welcome. It's a needle mover.

2:02:49Pat McAfee:It's a needle mover. Bryson DeChambeau, all he's trying to do is spread the game. All he hopes is one kid picks up a golf club because of what he's doing. Keep working, Bryson. Keep working. One day at a time. It's unbelievable. LeBron golfing is good for golf. Golf is good for golf at this point, it feels like. Just people doing it. You've got to commit a lot to play golf. You've got to commit a lot. LeBron, he should cruise around the Ryder Cup like Jordan always does. This year, he should go. That would be interesting. Do they have two cards? Or do they share a card? They're not. He's still playing.

2:03:25Pat McAfee:Maybe golf is what? Bursting together LeBron we saw him If they have a golf cart that's custom Maybe he's sitting next to someone Jordan also has 6 '6 They're so fucking huge That you can't sit I'm looking at your golf cart He could probably fit in something In the back seat Together like that That's like whenever Shaq was doing that Buick commercial Yeah Come on I hit my knees off the steering wheel You were literally a foot and a half tall and... Don't lie. Oh, they took out the back seat. Oh, okay. I'll buy a meal. He's so... They're coming to ESPN, right? Yeah. Licensed through ESPN. Yep. Like that.

2:04:11Pat McAfee:How do we think that's going to go? Great. I think so, too. Still all the same people running the show, right? Yeah, and I think there's enough respect from the execs at ESPN. Not to metal. Let them do what they do. Same amount of time they get? They get their same amount of air time? I don't know. I have no idea. There's like memes. I've seen memes and stuff and different tweets. I don't know what's real and what's not real. That was what I read in an article. It was like, is ESPN going to be okay with doing floating breaks for that? Because sometimes they'll talk for 35 minutes and not go to a commercial.

2:04:38Pat McAfee:Now, I don't want to insert us into their conversation. But see shows completely licensed by ESPN, created, fully controlled by outside entity, and also with no commercial breaks and the ability to float commercial breaks being brought to the network and executed and profitable and seemingly technically easy to accomplish feels like their entire shit should just be... Same as is. Should be. That's why the panic, I appreciated the panic and we had a bunch too. I mean, we were attacked. I was attacked heavily when I was like, hey, show's getting licensed through ESPN. This is great news. Never forget.

2:05:18Pat McAfee:We're about to showcase that you can do a different style of sports. We're about to celebrate shit on this thing. We're about to celebrate shit on this thing. Our people are like, you fucking piece of shit. Everything you stood for. It was worse than that. It was way worse. Yeah, there was a lot of mean things. There was a lot of mean things being said to me. Never forget. Now, granted, has our show changed? Maybe. Would our show have changed anyways? Yes. We're growing. I got a baby growing now. We're married. AJ's got terrible hair. Whoa. I like AJ's hair. I like his hair too I like where it's going I like that it looks like his head's getting a little bit of a hug It has a little bit of fur I like that that's happening There's going to be a lot of these stages as he gets to where we want him to go Which is the very Very long time Why does everybody always just say ESPN's going to ruin Shows that are created I guess because they did Because they did for a long time For us it was like a lot of leaks and stuff A lot of This guy should get cancelled they say the f-word remember that oh yeah early early on that was the awful announcing this every every day after the show we're disgusting we're like everything about us is the worst of all time oh espn that's been here for 23 years is uh anonymously said anonymously said obviously keep the safety of the person that this is disgusting despicable for espn to have this show on all that stuff it's like if you consider that trying to ruin a show which you could you You know, turn off future fans, advertisers.

2:06:47Pat McAfee:You can publicly kind of try to get in the way of something having success. And we certainly experienced that, I would say, at a very high volume, I would think, with the entirety of it all. That settled in a little bit, I think. Oh, yeah. I mean, a few weeks ago, I guess there was another one. Great, thanks. Really cool to do. But I think they have enough respect for inside the NBA that it'll be like we're lucky to have them almost. You know what I mean? As opposed to we hate all the people that don't matter. I mean, I've said this a lot, but you get it. All these people that don't really matter, but they have a little bit of power in Bristol, like they don't like, you know, potential change.

2:07:29Pat McAfee:But maybe we're at a point where they understand that like bringing in inside the NBA is actually a good thing for the future of, you know, the network. Bringing in maybe like a podcast type show to the network is maybe a good idea. They had to. Maybe. So they could be in the podcast world. Catch up, man. You know, in the whole entire thing. You know, billions of dollars, billion dollars. Oh, yeah. So whenever you... Out the dough. Sorry, motherfucking dough. What came in, though? You know, well, in their eyes, a lot of terrible things. So that is what you think is not going to happen. I think will not happen with Inside EMB.

2:08:09Pat McAfee:So I think it's going to be great. I think the show's going to thrive. I think it's going to be fantastic. And a lot of people talk about the Stephen A thing, getting inserted in there. You don't think Stephen A going in there and battling with Shaq and Chuck every once in a while? And I'm not saying this is going to happen. I don't know any information. You don't think Chuck and Shaq and Kenny and Stephen A going at it throughout the NBA season is a good thing? I think that's good. I don't think that's a bad thing. People are like, I don't want to see more Stephen A. It's like, I wouldn't mind seeing Chuck, Charles Barkley and Stephen A.

2:08:37I wouldn't mind. Also, wouldn't mind seeing Perk and them go at it. They've gone at it publicly. So it's like, hey, now you can have it on the same set. That is a good, will be good TV. And also,

2:08:51Pat McAfee:I guess alongside Game Day, I think kind of viewed as like greatest sports shows that have really ever happened. Definitely. I think. I don't know how many of those there are, but you get that is the conversation they're talking about. So I'm excited for that. That's a long way away. Long, long way. It's funny you should say that because I was kind of looking at the NBA because when we were done with the show yesterday, they were just talking about all the games that are, you know, the opening night game, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, the first week of the NBA. They're off season two. I mean, they're October, the third week of October.

2:09:27I was going to say, once football season starts, you're really like a month out from the NBA starting. Well, you're not really because it doesn't start. Well, true. Exactly.

2:09:34Pat McAfee:Let's talk about sports, though, that are currently happening that we care about now. and we got to remember that. Baseball. You were out on the Yankees, what, three days ago. We're back? Yeah, before the Twin Series, and they've won two in a row. So, yeah, right when I'm out, they pull me back in. Yes, they do. The Yankees are sucking you in, aren't they? They are. But, yeah, we got some pretty close races in a couple of the divisions here. So, I mean, again, there's still about a month of baseball left, so there's still quite a bit left. But now it's kind of things come into focus, and you realize, like, okay, these are the teams that are really going to make a run.

2:10:09A lot of these teams are out. The Brewers are the best team in baseball by kind of a wide margin right now. They've won 11 in a row currently. They just continue to win. I think they're the first team since like the 1935 Cubs. They've had, I think, three separate 10-plus game winning streaks this year. So, yeah, I mean, same deal. We've talked about how with football right now, it's awesome. Jesus the Buccos. Yeah, they stink. They absolutely stink. They're dark bottom, center of the graph. It's okay. But if you don't want to just watch preseason football or you want to watch the first or second series, there's still a lot of good baseball games.

2:10:46Pat McAfee:Okay, how's Shohei doing? Pretty good. He actually hit into a triple play last night, which is very rare. It doesn't happen a whole lot. This guy's you indeed. But then he came back and hit a game-tying home run in the ninth inning. The Dodgers went on to lose. And he's also kind of wrapped up in some legal issues right now. But Tony looked into those yesterday post-show, and it sounds like those are largely bullshit. Mumbo-jumbo. It doesn't feel like it's his fault. Okay, love to hear that. Shohei, we need to start protecting Shohei. Legit. Okay? He's got special talent. We can leave that to Japan, maybe.

2:11:20Pat McAfee:Okay, so I'm looking at a score of my Brewers and the Pirates. Is this real? Yes, that was yesterday. Skeen started, too. What? He only gave up, like, four earned runs, and they could kind of see how— They gave up ten runs? Oh, yeah. After Skeens came out, bullpen came in. They are the best team in baseball by a wide margin. Wait, didn't they win 11 straight games and they almost had to give hamburgers or cheeseburgers? Correct. That was earlier this year. Yeah, but now they're on another 11-game win streak? Yeah. Tonight, they're going for 12. So if they get 12 tonight, it's the burgers. The burger story?

2:11:54Pat McAfee:Yeah, the burger story. The 170 ,000 burgers. What was the number? I think it was like 150 ,000 or 170 ,000. In 1960 or 1970 or something like that. What was the family's name? So if they win tonight, we're back on Burger Watch? Yeah, if they win tonight, that'll be 12 straight. They're playing right now. What's the score? What is the score? 0-0. Who's pitching? Is the Miz on the bump? Let me see. Because he wanted to. The Miz plays for the Brewers now? Same level of aura, different profession. Oh. This is young Buck. I've been following. Voted into the All-Star game and everybody was pissed off about it.

2:12:26Pat McAfee:Who's Nassk? Nassk. Nassk. Miss Keller versus Brandon Woodruff. Okay. Woodruff. So no, it's not the Miz. and I don't know which team either of those guys are on, but we – Mitch Keller's on the Buccos. Yeah, he's the old dog. Oh, they're playing the Pirates for the burger? Yes, they are. Oh, no, this goes down in history. Yeah. If they win. Yeah, it will. It's remembered forever against the Pittsburgh Pirates. No one outside of Milwaukee will remember it. But if the Pirates – No, whenever – it will be talked about. We talked about it. Best team in ball. Happened in 1960-something, brother. No one outside of Milwaukee cares about the burgers.

2:12:58Pat McAfee:We talked – what I'm saying is – I'm not getting a free burger, are you? No, but I'm saying in 30 years from now, when this happens again, they're going to say this happened was against guess who? The Pittsburgh Pirates. That's what's going to happen. And I wouldn't say that, Tony, because if the Brewers win today, I'm going to go to a restaurant up near my house and demand a free burger. I don't know which one it's going to be, but I'm going to do it. Also, to the point of this will be history for the Brewers, I mean, the Pirates win this game. They could damn near hang a banner. They could call this, what, like a pennant?

2:13:28Maybe not a World Series. The No-Berg pennant. Yeah, the No-Berg pennant. There you go. We're the only Berg. Yeah, the only Berg.

2:13:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, they're actually going to call it, I heard, the Pittsburgher Giveaway. Oh, no. That's what I heard. That's a great name for it. I don't like that. I'm just telling you what I'm hearing. I'm talking to people in Milwaukee. Mitch will shut them down. Don't worry about it. Come on, Mitch. Throw the fucking stinky cheese. Who else do we know in the Brewers? Why they so good? The other pitcher that we like? Yeah, McGill. He's dog. Yeah, Trevor McGill throws gas. but they're really just kind of like you. I mean, Christian Yelich is probably there. I know him. Yeah, but there are a lot of young guys who just – they just manufacture runs.

2:14:08They have very good pitching and their bullpen is very good. So it's kind of like – I mean, they just win, baby. Team ball. They just win.

2:14:16Pat McAfee:That's Brewers baseball. I love baseball. Good sport. They were good to us. The MLB was very good to us. I'm very thankful for them. Let's make sure we continue to remain updated on baseball. I'll keep watching. Tell the Yankees are eliminated. Tell the Red Sox series. Yeah, but you told me that you were out on the Yankees. Yes, I did. He said to me, AJ, worst collapse I've ever seen. I'm not watching every damn game of the Yankees anymore. That's what he told me, right? Yeah, I said that on Monday. Now what are we doing? Twinkies came down, baby, and Yankees own the Twins. Two in a row. Judgy hit a homer last night.

2:14:54Giancarlo Stanton was four for five. He's running the bases. He's got an elbow. Playing outfield, too. He is hard on a pistol right now. Okay. Yeah. He hits it 150 miles an hour every single time he's up. Even if he gets out, he hits it so fucking hard.

2:15:15Pat McAfee:The glove's going to feel it if he's up. Yes. Yes. Or he's going to strike out, and if he let go of his bat, it would fly out of Yankee State. He swings so fucking hard every single time. It's awesome. And that's why we love him. And that's why I love him. Exactly. And because he is so slow. So slow. Anything else? And once again. That's why we love him. John Gruden about to get a lot of money from the NFL. It's kind of how it sounds. I guess this will be held in front of a judge in a courtroom. Supreme Court? No, it's going to get moved to the Supreme Court. I guess it's going to get appealed up there.

2:15:52Pat McAfee:But I guess the first ruling is one that is very much favorable for John Gruden. or discovery will happen, public information will take place. So they were trying to get this behind closed doors, I do believe, if you were to break this down. But instead, a judge is deemed, nah, this is to go through public. And it is interesting to think about how this all plays out. Okay? Very, very interesting. John Gruden, I think, obviously, got fired, kicked out, banned from the NFL and the like for using homophobic slurs in emails in 2014. I forget what it was. We don't know the exact year. He gets kicked out of the league whenever this whole thing happens.

2:16:32Pat McAfee:Fired, I believe, with cause. So his contract, which was over$100 million. I mean, it all ended for him. He was the only person out of these hundreds of thousands, 600 ,000 plus documents. His emails were the only ones that were made public. And then obviously he's fired and his life goes the way it goes. It's crazy. Yeah, it is a wild scene. It is certainly a wild situation. As it was happening, it was wild. Now looking back on it, it's crazy to think about. And now with this ruling, it's like, I think the NFL is very much like, wait a minute, a guy who has committed his entire life to football and to the NFL is now at a point where he can potentially tell them, okay, if you guys are just comfortable with all these things that are in these, because there could be business stuff in there.

2:17:17Pat McAfee:I mean, there could be. Like 600 ,000. Discovery is a wild thing. Just as somebody that has been sued before by Brett Favre, the whole conversation was basically like holding over. What else you got? You want discovery to happen? And I was like, yeah, whatever. What does this mean? And they're like, they have the right now to look through what evidence would be. And evidence is anything they deem possible. so any of your text messages any of your emails it doesn't just have to be uh text messages that are directly pertinent to the situation because you might have had conversations with other people about that as well so it's like the amount of things that discovery can get into everybody's going to learn about you basically is what is the scary thing for people that are potentially going in it now john gruden's going to have the same exact situation they're going to be operating discovery against him as well which is why i assume what the nfl is saying in this entire thing but how many things are saved from 2014 on john gruden's side let alone you know it's this is i assume something that'll get yeah i think and uh i i honestly don't know what that number would be yeah i have no idea how that goes i'll probably never know if i assume especially with goodell understanding that gruden is football loves at the nfl can't afford to have anything get up.

2:18:47Pat McAfee:Yes, I agree. It's a big, big, big... Gruden knows that, Gruden. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And on the flip side... With all the owners and... Like, they're doing a lot of selling to Gruden. Like, we built this league. Remember. Yeah. We love this league. Gruden's like, I did, man. Yeah. You ruined my life. I learned a lot about this league, man. Say we. You know, and it's the entire thing. It's like... Say we to him. He should ask for a percentage of the Raiders. Yeah, I mean... And remember, Davis was not happy about this. No, he wasn't. He has a whole other side. There's a whole other angle to it.

2:19:19Pat McAfee:Why don't you ask them? Yeah, I don't want it. Yeah, I do want everything out, actually. Ask them. And he was on. It's a wild situation, though. It's a big deal for the NFL. I think he definitely coaches again. Do we think he coaches in the NFL again? What do you think he does? Belichick goes to college? I think in college, yeah, SEC. Because he can run the entire job. Just like, yeah. Yeah, and we heard whenever he was coach, he was general manager anyway. I mean, what would be really cool is full arc to this thing. They signed Pete Carroll to a three-year deal just to establish the culture and then bring in the younger guy.

2:19:50And John Gruden's that younger guy they were planning on.

2:19:53Pat McAfee:On three sports, report it. Which, by the way, respect their work. I've been keeping up with them. They've been helping me out a lot as I prepare going into the season. And they're a great follow. I believe rivals in them are partnered. John Gruden expresses desire to coach again while talking to Georgia Bulldogs. This is via Barstool Gruden, which is an incredible social media account. I'm being honest with you. I do not bullshit either. I won't coach again, man. I'd die of coaching the SEC. I would love it. I would fucking love it. There's a couple schools it might need. He's an SEC football coach.

2:20:24Someone's going to snatch him up. Someone has to.

2:20:26Pat McAfee:He loves ball. Love. Imagine him as a recruiter. Imagine him recruiting. Loves coaching. Just loves all of it. All of it. Yeah, and even when he was casted off from the world, still, every morning, we're watching tape, man. Yeah. We're watching tape, man. I assume there is some jaded feelings from Gruden. And also, there's a lot of people that say, hey, he did something that's, you know, worthy of a huge punishment. I get that. But him and the NFL are going to need to come to the table. Yeah. Put our swords down. And I think John Gruden, he's acted as general manager before. I think he understands a little leverage.

2:21:03Pat McAfee:I think he does, too. I don't know if John Gruden's going to be putting his sword down. I think the NFL might need to put their sword down on the table. John Gruden might be handing his sword to Jay. Hey, go stab Goodell in the face right now for me. Jay Gruden, I will say, he also has a fantastic social media. He does. Uh-huh. You don't mind stirring the pot. He brings it. He does bring it. You know what, actually? NFL, why don't you just release Jay Gruden's email? I'd love to see Jay. That'd be cool. Why don't we just do the Gruden family? That's a wild thing. The discovery thing is the move.

2:21:35Pat McAfee:That is always the... Nobody wants to stop. Going through the entire Brett thing, it was like...

2:21:45Well, it shows you who the bad people are.

2:21:47Pat McAfee:Yeah, I'm cool with it. What do we... Exactly. Let them know, sweet, I feel like my life is monitored 24-7. I am A, okay? Yeah, but what about conversations you had in text? I feel like my life is monitored. Yeah, but what about your text messages? I feel like my life is monitored 24-7. so they can discover whatever the fuck they want to discover uh are you sure yes 100 all right we've never had anybody this confident uh we let them know it's like go ahead do it i've lived legitimately and i think nick will tell you this since i don't know maybe my rookie i don't know just i feel like people are just watching everything you do and it's like i honestly believe you should operate in that fashion like hey you are getting watched and followed the thought that his emails were the only ones that were released but also how loose people were in emails it's like that is i was like old people old people text text messages yeah yeah that was like the evolution i guess yeah i mean it started with letters you saw lamar hunt's letter oh my god second bullet point like let me get rid of this fucking guy yeah please you think jerry jones likes john grude not right now i'd say he is probably one of the ones telling good though we don't give them a fucking dollar.

2:23:04I'm just trying to connect dots because, you know, we love Sam Pittman. We love drinking cold beer, but there's a rumor that, you know, this could be the last year at Arkansas. So if Jerry's got any respect for John.

2:23:15Pat McAfee:John Gruden in Arkansas? Woo Pig Suey? Holy shit. With that fan base. That'd be perfect. And I assume, yeah, do they have money? I don't know. That's what he's saying. They do for basketball. Cal Perry, that's the problem. They might have gave all the money. They might have picked. Who else? They got John Daly. They got. They got Cal. You can't pick basketball over football at Arkansas. No. Dude, the SEC runs college basketball, too. Florida just won it. Some of these teams, they. Football. Isn't Arkansas good at baseball? They're good at everything, though, but football, I thought, when it comes to those sports.

2:23:52Pat McAfee:Didn't they have promised their football there for a little bit? They did, for sure. I mean, especially when. Who were the two running backs? Darren McFadden. Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. Who was the recent quarterback? Matt Jones, the quarterback. Ryan Mallett? No, Mallett. Rest in peace, Ryan Mallett. Arkansas. I had a chance to have a good time with Ryan Mallett in Arkansas, which on daily. Feels like that is a night that we should always look back on with high, high remembrance. He was so cool to me. Yeah. Everybody, I think. Super cool. Great vibes. Great vibes. All the time. Arkansas, though, that is a fan base, I think, that is very much committed to ball.

2:24:29Pat McAfee:KJ Jefferson's a good year. There it is, KJ. That's his name. K.J. Jefferson. UCF. Yeah, yeah. Then he – yeah. Boom. It is who it will. John Gruden in Arkansas? That would be crazy. Auburn, too. They don't have a good year. Mm-hmm. Get Hugh out. And, you know. You watch the SEC documentary? Exactly. I think Gruden would do well in Auburn. Would you want them to do another SEC documentary? I absolutely would. I am realizing that I pounded the drum very hard for the show. And I stand by that. But while talking about it, there are some parts of the show that suck that I might have been on my phone for.

2:25:08Pat McAfee:Okay, this is background. We're watching. No, no. There are very specific parts. When it's not the football and it is the interviews of the college football historians, if you will, one guy gets a lot of play, a lot of play. And he knows who he is. And he knows that probably after he said to himself, I hope they don't use too much of me because I don't know if everyone's going to love me on the show. Does he feel like a self-aware guy? He is the worst. You need a good villain. He's the only one in every episode. I need to watch it. Yeah, me too. He's the only one in every episode. But the football stuff, the players, the coaches, that stuff is second to none.

2:25:50I love that.

2:25:50Pat McAfee:I got a long flight coming up. I plan on watching that. The longest flight available. You'll know when you see him. Actually, that's what it is. It's crazy. It is crazy. Some moments in games they could have talked about, too. I agree. That's the other thing. We talked about how they might have avoided big calls that were either missed or not talked about. And then when you look back in the SEC, the biggest moments you think of are typically with Georgia and Bama and Ole Miss. And those three teams weren't featured on the show. Like they had the Bama Vanderbilt, which was sick because it was all the Vanderbilt side of it.

2:26:25Yeah, like them leading into the game, them losing to Missouri. I forgot about that one. Missouri was seventh in the country, and Vanderbilt goes in and loses in overtime on a missed kick like they probably should have beat Missouri to. There are many things throughout the thing. One of the things we talked about with the LSU team is we wonder if they did more stuff with Kyron Lacey, but Kyron Lacey passed away before the draft this year. So did they just cut that entire section out? Because the times of episodes is interesting. Some of them were an hour. Some of them were 50, kind of similar, but then there was two 35s, I think.

2:27:01Pat McAfee:Interesting. Yeah, which never happened. I like, though, not – I like keeping it a guessing game. Yeah. I like, hey, this is what it's going to be. I haven't had a chance to watch it. I like it. I like all the documentary sports stuff we have. Obviously, Hard Knocks is happening right in front of our eyes here. Quarterback, obviously, new season of that. SEC out there. The basketball stuff that we just kind of skipped by, a lot of good clips are coming out of that shit. That's got to be coming out sometime soon, right? The one they did this past year with Tyrese. That's going to be very – Early October, I think, was – it's right before the season starts.

2:27:34And then the – did you say the Jerry Jones Cowboys won? Oh, yeah. No, it's coming out August. 19th, next week. Things get quiet. I just like to stir it up.

2:27:42Pat McAfee:The Cowboys are always going to be a part of your life. Do you think this – I'm not getting into it. Let's get out of here. It was a good day. It was a good day. I have, throughout my life, I've had respect for certain business people. Okay? Steve Jobs, top of the list. Up here. Okay? Bad dad, I get it. Everything else, you're welcome. Basically, in the way he, well, you didn't build it himself. Okay. All right, let's all relax with that. Jerry Jones was one of the guys that I viewed as a business person. Like Vince McMahon. obviously everything that's come out that's the personal side but business-wise what he did and how he did it and what he created it's like this dude is a fucking now once again just like with sometimes these very high level people are going to have other traits that aren't necessarily the greatest in everybody's eyes or whatever but it's like jerry jones was a trailblazer like when it came to football ownership and ownership of sports teams and everything like that so i got massive respect for his story and how he goes about doing his business and what he made the cowboys into and obviously they were the first ever sports franchise to be valued at over 10 billion dollars now i believe there's a few others that have been valued up over 10 billion the rams in la the giants obviously in new york new jersey and the dallas cowboys topped the sportico list now sportico i got a lot of respect for i appreciate sportico i've also seen internet things, try to predict valuations or net worths and things like that and not have a clue what they're talking about.

2:29:17Pat McAfee:But it seems as if everybody kind of just thinks this is on board, especially if you go with the comps with teams that have been sold, what other leagues are doing, yada, yada, yada. So it's like, I've always had respect for what Jerry has done as a business person building up the most valuable sports franchise on earth is obviously an incredible feat as somebody that is in the sports world. Okay. With that being said, like the last five years, 10 years since we've been doing this show really. It's like there's a lot of like, what are you doing? Isn't there a lot of that? And it's like I've always viewed him as like, yep, Jerry will get it.

2:29:50Pat McAfee:Just like Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick will figure it out. Like that is, if Bill Belichick signs somebody Bill Belichick will figure it out. Like there's certain people, I view Jerry like that. Like Jerry's doing this for a reason. Like there is a reason Jerry's doing it. There's been some shit though that has popped up on a more regular basis as of late that's like this feels dumb. Why would just say this, because he lost his fastball. And I guess that's what Dallas Cowboys and other people, but I just want to, I think I'm late to the game in asking that question strictly because I've been like this guy, this guy is a he's a fucking gambler, he's a fucking he's a pioneer.

2:30:20You've got to respect that. Yeah, he's unique.

2:30:22Pat McAfee:He obviously is not perfect. There's a lot of things that he has done that are not perfect, but he's a fucking he goes for it, you know, which I respect. And it's like, as of late, it's like, man, a lot of dumb shits. You know what I mean? You've got to respect it. We're football former players So we know, you know, what, okay, it doesn't add up when it comes to winning. The business part of it, though, you know, you can't knock it at all. And what I respect more about him, because we were down there, Cotton Bowl? Or Texas, Ohio State. Texas, yeah. And, like, just how much of his family is ingrained into the business.

2:30:55I respect that. We saw what he talked about in Landman, but he really lives that shit. So I definitely respect that. But the last five, ten years, we see so much more. We have so much more access into not only what's going on with the Cowboys, what's going on with everybody around different leagues. You know, everybody has their inside, oh, we're in a war room here. This deal is getting done here. So now we see much more. We're on the pitch at Burnley. Exactly. We're everywhere now. So now you see that compared to what Jerry's doing. It's like, okay, what the hell is he doing? And he's always, like you said, he likes to stir it up.

2:31:26And then you look at the valuation. It's like, all right, that's what he's doing. I guess it's working, bro.

2:31:30Pat McAfee:Everything he's doing is working, AJ, legit. but the Cowboys are always going to be, you know, primetime, big name. Hopefully, right? You don't think that could ever be tarnished, right? To where, like, we understand the Cowboys haven't had the success they want, but they're always going to be, like, that franchise, don't you think, even long after Jerry? I don't know. How many Cowboys fans do you know? I think Cowboys fans are, like, really Cowboys fans. Yeah, but the NFL also loves Dallas. Like, the NFL is never going to want the world's most expensive franchise to start turning the other way.

2:32:03We'll have to see, though, because he's one of one. So, like, after he passes away, like, I get it's his kids, and they've been around and they've worked with him a lot, but, like, we'll see how much things change.

2:32:12Pat McAfee:Yeah, how much shit are they going to stir up? Right. Don't forget about AIG. Yeah, he'll be around forever. He was one of the first AI's holograms I've seen in a while. Yeah. AIG has got it. He's got the blueprint for what everyone else is trying to do, though. Like, where does it go, do you think, when it comes to, like, stuff around the stadium? like the Jerry World to own it all. Is there another step to that? Because the Cowboys are already there. Casino is the move. If you can get a casino, I don't know if anybody's been able to pull that off. Texas, no. That was the whole Dallas Mavericks thing.

2:32:43Pat McAfee:No, but I thought New England was trying, right? Wasn't that the thing? New England was trying to get a casino in there, I think, at the time. Yeah, and then they put in the first ever casino in Massachusetts. They did put in five years ago, but that's by Boston. Yeah, there wasn't a – I think the goal would be hotel, restaurants, shops, casino, stadium. I think that would be the goal. Is that – is it legal? I see. I thought players were allowed to – That's a great question. The thing with the NFL guys was if the Colts went to New England, New England players couldn't gamble at a casino in New England, but the Colts players could, wasn't it?

2:33:27Pat McAfee:No, that's a college thing. I think the different kids from different colleges weren't able to gamble in the state in which they went to college. I think New Jersey had one of those. Oh, that's for sure. Yeah, there was another one. I forget what it was. Yeah, I thought it was an NFL player. It's a lot of states. Yeah. Some states, as a human being, you're not allowed to. I forget what we were allowed. Connecticut is like, you can't bet on Yukon. We weren't allowed to take any free rooms or free drinks, I think is like the rule. We were allowed to play blackjack, but we weren't allowed to accept any of the benefits.

2:33:57Pat McAfee:Oh. I think was the rule, if I remember right. When you were in the league or in college? In the league. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. Because at one point, Tony Romo wasn't even allowed to go to a fantasy football convention. Yeah. Then they changed the rule because of how big that story got pretty big. Then there was a rule change where it's like you're allowed to go to a casino and play blackjack, but you're not allowed to get the free room or something. I forget what the... Because I was very interested. I was a gambler, I would say. I had a craps table underneath my kitchen table in my first house.

2:34:31Pat McAfee:I enjoy trying to strike it big and trying to win. But I also don't want to lose my job because of it. Scratchers, shit like that. Colts had scratchers. I was one of my, I asked a question in a meeting and Chuck came out to me the next day and was like, do you like it here? I was like, yeah. I said, let's not fuck it.

2:34:55Pat McAfee:How come I can't get a scratch off? Coats are allowed to have a scratch off. Why am I not allowed to have a scratch off? I think I could do great in the scratch off industry here in Indiana. I could just get with the state lottery, get scratch off, put them in gas stations. I think I'd do well with that. Coats are allowed to have one. I'm not allowed to have one. Why is that? We'll get back to that. Meeting obviously keeps moving. Chuck, literally. Hey, come on. Jesus Christ. Fucking drop it. Just stop. It was fucking odd. I laughed so hard whenever he said he was like, what? We don't need that, right?

2:35:27Pat McAfee:Scratchers. Scratchers. Just fucking keep buying them. Shut up. You're right, dude. But it's always been sports and gambling has been like very. Yeah. but it's also like society now. Yeah, it's an interesting. That's just like weed too, man. You talk about like weed, whenever that was happening, Colorado, you could smoke weed legally as a citizen there, but in the United States of Goodell, you could not. Don't even think about it. Don't even think about it. So what? Your entire neighborhood can, and it's right there across the street. You're not allowed in our league, but not allowed to do it.

2:35:59Pat McAfee:Now, like as it's becoming more and more, it's like they've lowered the rate in which they test for. Inevitably, that's going to end up being at zero. Players are going to have to give up a bunch. It's like, but that's kind of how. The whole world's all kind of coming in together right now. It's a good thing. It's about time. But can't sports betting in the locker room. Players cannot gamble. What was it, Michael Porter Jr.? Yeah. Talking about his brother. What happened? And a lot of people were really making fun of his brother because of what he said. What happened? Michael Porter Jr. basically said, like, you know, when you become a professional athlete and you have all this money, a lot of people have vices.

2:36:35Like, my vice is woman. My brother's vice was gambling because he couldn't get any girls. And then that's what people took it as. And then. And then they just continued to bury. He gambled a little bit too much. Yeah. And his vices were the end of him. He was like, hey, man, what if I tell all my boys, hey, take the under a day. Bet 10 grand. Yeah. Come from nothing. Take the under, I'll fake an injury.

2:36:59Pat McAfee:That's what I'm saying. We can't do that. That's what I'm saying. You got to. I can't do that. Certainly I don't need to be talking about it on a podcast either. It's Michael Porter Jr. in football. It's all right. His brother's a jail. We'll never see you. No, yeah, for sure. For sure. All right. It's all getting better. Hell yeah. We know so much.

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