PMS 2.0 1388 - Marcus Spears, Milwaukee Brewers Closer Trevor Megill, Johnny Manziel, Pete Thamel, & AJ Hawk

17:47Marcus Spears:My wife has really laid because she's here doing the grunt work every day, bro. She's in the midst of it. You know, when I get into, you know how it is, Pat. Like when I get into the season, bro, we gone like that time is occupied. So I'm calling and she giving me the information. But it's it's it's crazy, dude. if a deal would have came to me for$15 at 16, I would have signed every piece of paperwork they had.

18:12Pat McAfee:That's what I'm saying. Like, congrats to you and your wife working your ass off to have your kids in a position that they're in right now. But it's like, the stories we're hearing on this show, me, when I'm 16, 15, 17 years old, not only me, like my parents, my whole family, probably the whole neighborhood is like, how much are they paying to do what? It's like, yeah, we will certainly do that. How much do I got to give up? 20 % for the rest of your life. But you won't really, who knows? You know, 80 % of a lot is a lot better than 0%. You know, like those things can get -

18:44Marcus Spears:The fortunate point we're going to have is people know not to bullshit me. Right? You and I, we still doing deals. We still doing bargaining deals. I'm current on what contracts should look like. I'm current on equity and how much you should be paid and how long can you use the name and all of that type of stuff. And it's something that we had to obviously refresh ourselves on, but we understand what's coming across the desk. So it's not just a bunch of people putting papers on our table and being like, look, here's$50 ,000, but now your son don't own none of his name or rights or image or anything like that.

19:23Marcus Spears:So we've passed a lot of things up that people have raised their eyebrows and was like, okay, we're not going to be able to bullshit the Spirits family.

19:30Pat McAfee:Hey, well, congrats on that. That's got to be incredibly difficult waters to navigate for the modern parents and everything. So good luck to all of you. And also, there's a book. Sun Tzu wrote it. It's called Art of War. Rest in peace now to Sun Tzu. He is dead. Very dead. Rest in peace. He has a movie book called Art of War. They even got a little shorter version. It's like, hey, this is shit you really need to know. It can help you out business-wise. Let's talk business now. You've been chatting about it all morning, obviously, because it's a hilarious quote. Here's Jerry Jones at the Netflix premiere of the documentary.

20:04I'm running, Foxy. Well, I do believe if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my part to get us looked at.

20:18Pat McAfee:The beautiful thing for networks or if you will, streaming companies is that the NFL is a 365 day a year interest factor. A lot of programming, you have to spend as much to make it, to promote it as you do to make it. The Cowboys are a soap opera 365 days. The streaming will begin morning and early. Talkin' our buddies. Take your seats. And so, it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have the great players. But there's something more there. There's sizzle. There's emotion. And if you will, there's controversy. That controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and having people's attention.

21:04Pat McAfee:The more bullshit, the better. That is good. Anybody ever says, Swagoon, you know this, because obviously you've been in there. It's hard enough to win a game, right? That's what everybody talks about. So now the owner's coming out and actually giving away his game. And he says, hey, my game is that controversy is good now. Let's not get this crazy. What are they talking about, Cowboys? Okay, so we take a 20, 30, 40,$64 million hit on salaries that we could have paid earlier. You know how much money we're gaining in valuation on the other side? Shit,$150 million. So you start doing math, all of a sudden we're up$90 million.

21:38Pat McAfee:Who smart? Me, they're dumb. But are you going to ever win that way? Are you ever going to win that way? Is this something that we all kind of thought about, Jerry, but then once he says it, it's like, okay, so this has been the plan. And does it worry you that potentially you're never going to be able to win like that?

21:53Marcus Spears:Pat, yes, because your value as a player is tied into success, bro. Like, that is the awful part about what Jerry said. Yeah, you getting your money and everybody understands what you've done to promote this brand and build it. But to say that loud and in public is – I've been, Pat, you know this. I've been screaming that the Cowboys ain't trying to win the Super Bowl. And people in Dallas can't stand when I say it. Because they act like I'm lying. Like I'm supposed to live in this fantasy world of, yeah, we doing what it takes to win. The blueprint is out there of how you try to win the Super Bowl.

22:32Marcus Spears:And Jerry just told everybody, yeah, it's great to have the great players and all of that. But there's more. Sizzle. We're not even focused on football. That's what he just said. He said, look, yeah, we got Dak and we got CD and we got all these great players, but there's more there. Bro, we talking about football, full stop. Like there's not supposed to be more than winning and putting the best team on the field and making sure your star players are paid and you got everybody on the field. It is clarity for anybody that was on the fence about what's important in Dallas. And they're super unfortunate for players.

23:15Marcus Spears:And, Pat, this is what I always say. What the hell are the coaches supposed to do with that?

23:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, I started thinking about Mike McCarthy there, his entire run, how they win that many games, his entire thing. And then you think about Shottie. I think Shottie's going to be a good coach. I think Shottie's going to be a good coach. I got a chance to meet him. Obviously, he's literally his entire life in the NFL. Now, I'm not saying that means he's going to be great at being a head coach. But from what I've seen from him, I think he would be a great head coach personally.

23:42Marcus Spears:Pat, imagine this. Imagine you coaching. This is shot. Imagine you coaching in the NFL for 25 years waiting on your opportunity. And the owner of the team that you the head coach says, winning ain't that damn important.

23:56Pat McAfee:Controversies, you know, a little reality TV. I don't know if you know this. More money here, bro.

24:00Marcus Spears:More money, are you? Get out of here. But I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. because I get my ass kicked all over the internet and all over the place when I say Dallas is not trying to win a Super Bowl by my own. Some of my boys who are Cowboy fans, you ain't supposed to be saying that. What do you mean they ain't trying to win? Well, they know now. Some of my boys have given up. They're in disgust. They're right now in position of trying to find what team they're going to root for. Now, I'm going to stay with Dallas because I'm a glutton for getting my ass beat. And I love. Okay, interesting.

24:38Marcus Spears:And all of that. But at the end of the day, I haven't been under this figment of imagination that a Super Bowl has been the most important thing to this organization. And the owner just told everybody that that is true. So y 'all can get off me and take that energy to Jerry.

24:54Pat McAfee:Okay, I like that. Take the energy up top there. The guy who is, we're looking at the season. The steak is okay. We're not going to beat Roos Chris. We're not going to beat Roos Chris. The steak is what the steak is. What we specialize in is the sizzle. You know when that son of a bitch is coming out with the salt. That's what Jerry's fixing.

25:17Marcus Spears:And the Bernays.

25:19Pat McAfee:Your sword. That's what Jerry's... Jerry was supposed to be a wrestling promoter. That's what he was supposed to be. That's what he was supposed to do. But instead, he bought the highest valued sports franchise in the history of sports which is what he would look at and say excuse me is this not what we are all trying to accomplish here and it's like well i think what a lot of people are trying to accomplish is the super bowl like i think that's what a lot of people are looking at and with stephen jones you know him probably better than i do i don't really know anybody down there i've had massive respect for jerry jones uh mostly because i respect how big of a gambler he is and how he goes all in and the type of guy he is i I think that entire thing.

25:58Pat McAfee:I watched him with Joe Buck. It was a phenomenal interview. I'm like, that guy's a dog. I'm a fan. You talk about your friends having clarity and getting off the fence or whatever. I've had clarity. I'm like, all right, I think Jerry's lost his fastball. I think he's lost the narrative. I think Jerry has kind of lost it. Now, that moves on to the boys now, the entire family, because his landman speech, from what I've been told, is how he actually felt. Like, hey, you do business with your family. You can hand it off someday. So he takes a lot of pride in that, which I respect. Is Steven going to operate the same way he is?

26:26Pat McAfee:Because I've heard Steven say some things now, right? this offseason that's like, hold on now.

26:32Marcus Spears:Unless you've been getting the information from somebody else. Here's the conundrum, Pat. We're not a monolith. You can like something about a person and respect something about them and hate some other shit that they do. That's just what it boils down to. But ultimately, when it comes to Steven, what should be different? Our valuation is$12.8 billion without winning anything of significance, right? So as a family, when you're saying we need to keep this money train that's been rolling forever, rolling, there's a certain way to do it, and my dad has showed us how, right? So you are asking him to go against the apple cart.

27:17Marcus Spears:Here's what you hope, though. You hope that Steven understands that there's collateral damage in that route. And that collateral damages your coaches, your players, and everybody. And hopefully the money that's being spent on the Dallas Cowboys as far as how they promoted and branded is going to start to be spent on the football team. And also the narrative of – how about this, Pat? Pat, I got it figured out. Okay. Sitting here talking to you. Sun Tzu. Sun Tzu. This is Sun Tzu. Sun Tzu. All the war. Yeah. Okay. All the war. Right? How about we separate – like, how about we just take the – Dallas Cowboys and football, right?

27:56Marcus Spears:Like the building, the coaches, the players, the general manager, the head of scouting, Will McClay, and we separate that when it comes to the day-to-day operations from you trying to create drama and all of the bullshit that's going on.

28:13Pat McAfee:So you're saying we take – here's the entire facility. Remember, we got this entire thing, Jerry World. We got a practice field outside practice right here. You can buy apartment complexes right here that overlook into the practice facility. Then here's an indoor practice facility, and you can actually buy VIP tickets that you can overlook the practice that has happened. Now, I will tell you, I think they are the only company or team in the history to ever let people watch their practice if you pay an amount of money or let you live next to their practice if you pay a certain amount of money. What you're saying is let's take these fields that are – keep the apartments.

28:50Pat McAfee:Keep the apartments. Keep the VIP perch. Yeah, have them just look at a building. Take the fields. There we go. Take the fields. Take them down the street. Have them down here and let Jerry do his shit up here. That's what you're saying.

29:03Marcus Spears:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Or just go practice at one of the high schools when nobody's there. Oh, okay. They're very nice. We got 13, 14 high schools here. I'm five minutes away from where you just showed. It's a lot of places they can practice. Remove them. Just isolate that part of it. And then when the cameras come on, you can say what you want to say.

29:28Pat McAfee:Which way are you? Nah, let's not give away too much.

29:30Marcus Spears:We don't need to be giving away. No, no, no. And Pat, listen, you run up on this house, it's a problem.

29:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're down there in Texas. I understand. I completely understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're out here in Indiana. I very much understand. And let's go around the NFL other than just the Dallas Cowboys. And once again, we just spent 15 minutes on Jerry Jones right there. And he said, boom, these puppets. Thank you. Thank you. Just like I said. Just like I said I would do. They did. Takes his thing off, eats an Egg McMuffin with salt on it. Yep. Extra salt. Puppets. AP Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Swaggo, I feel like you're one of the perfect people to ask about this. One of your D-line brethren up in Pittsburgh, Cam Hayward, who was an All-Pro last year.

30:08He's been a five-time All-Pro, first and second team. just a cornerstone of that D-line, is underpaid. He's making$14 million,$15 million this year. The guys around him making$23 million,$24 million, something like that. How do you feel about Cam's situation? And the Steelers, they're going all in, so they definitely need to get this figured out, right?

30:27Marcus Spears:I agree with you. They need to rectify this, man. And I don't know if you obviously put Cam up there because age matters. Like, we all know age matters in the contract. But he's outplayed that salary. and if you guys remember Cam a few days ago said I told the Steelers if I outplay this I'm coming back to the table so I don't want anybody to think he's not honoring something that they had signed and put into place and by the way when you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers defense has been the catalyst and he's been one of the stalwarts of that and I think there's a certain thing as a good faith he's been in this organization he's been through the 775 million quarterbacks that you've had on this team and never complain knowing at times we don't have a shot in hell at winning a super bowl but i'm gonna continue to go out here and do what i do and try to promote what we do defensively i think cam deserves more money one his performance uh says that but two like bro he's a stealer he's been one of the he's the he's a synonymous figure.

31:34Marcus Spears:He's going to be one of those guys that's hanging up in the stadium and doing all of the things that the Steelers represent. Go and pay the man. You ain't got to pay nobody else.

31:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, Swagoo, you also think about D.K. Metcalf getting 30 mil. Jalen Ramsey's getting whatever. Never played it down for the Pittsburgh Steelers, right? Like this is... Absolutely. And I think all Steelers fans are pumped that Omar Khan, the general manager, did all these things, went out and got big to, hey, let's go all in. Why not? We're sick of it. But you can see how Cam Hayward, who's the second longest tenured Pittsburgh Steeler, I believe tied with Mike Webster behind Ben Roethlisberger with his 15 years. You can say, wait a second, we're giving how much money to everybody that has never done anything for Pittsburgh?

32:14Pat McAfee:Because this is very abnormal for Cam Hayward to experience as well. Now, with that being said, Yenzers are telling him, not all Yenzers are on Cam Hayward's side, and I don't like it at all. And that is a reminder that the logo will always be bigger than any one person. Cam Hayward's been there 15 years, has been the epitome of the Pittsburgh Steelers. His dad, Ironhead, legendary figure in Pittsburgh, his brother on the team. The charity. Cam Hayward, Walter Payton Man of the Year for what he's done in the city of Pittsburgh. Cam Hayward comes out and says, I told him I wanted a little bit more money.

32:51Pat McAfee:They said he wanted it. And the injuries go, fuck this guy. Not all of them. Not all of them, Swagoo. No, no, but 15 years of good, 15 years of great to the city. And then he says, I'm playing for a very limited amount. I restructured the contract last year. It wasn't a new contract. And now I'm lower than everybody, and I'm all pro. Can I get a little bit more money running? Shut up. Shut up. That's got to care. I don't. That is how fans will always feel. That's why it's so difficult, and that's why the teams know they ultimately have leverage in the end. They know that. And it's like, inevitably, Cam will be loved in Pittsburgh forever.

33:31Pat McAfee:Like, in the long run, Cam will be loved in Pittsburgh forever. But right now, there's people that I think were massive Cam Hayward fans that have gone, oh, he doesn't want to win seven. He doesn't want to win seven. That's all we're trying to do. The business of football is incredibly wild. But Cam, we hope you get a little bit. And I think it can happen. And I think Omar Khan can make it happen.

33:56Marcus Spears:Because if they ask to do what you did, they'll be asking for more money too. Exactly. On the complete opposite side. It is what it is.

34:02Pat McAfee:And if he would have played like ass, they would have been saying, hey, let's restructure this thing and get a little different way.

34:06Marcus Spears:You 100 % right.

34:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, but the fans don't care. That's a billionaire. He's a genius. He's obviously going to do that. You stupid athletes need to just figure it out. All right, let's move around. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Swagoo, let's stay in the AFC North. What do you think is going to come of the whole Trey Hendrickson situation? We obviously followed that very closely throughout the offseason. He takes a stand, doesn't show up, and then eventually kind of realizes, hey, they're not going to pay me, even though they've said for the last two years they are, I'll go back and I guess just be a good company man, be a good soldier.

34:39How do you think that affects the Bengals this year? And do you think we'll get any resolution from this? Or is this for sure Trey Hendrickson's last year in Cincinnati?

34:50Marcus Spears:I think it's for sure his last year. Did you watch them on defense last year? Oh, yeah. It wasn't but one bright spot, and that was 91. So the problem becomes for Cincinnati is, and I've talked about this, when you get into this window of really believing that you can win at a high level because of what they got offensively, you got to start paying people. And that's really what it boils down to. Trey has led the league in sacks the last two years, I believe. I know he for sure did last year with 17 and a half. and the man has been in a contract dispute for a million days. For what? You don't have anybody else.

35:28Marcus Spears:You don't have any. There is nothing about Trey Hendrickson's resume that should tell the Cincinnati Bengals we don't need to pay this man a high level of dollars, right? Or you drop him and you say, you know what, we're going to trade him. Because we don't respect what you've done in this organization, in this franchise. so let's trade him and see what we can get. I'm sure somebody would love Trey Hendrickson's services. But, dude, there is no way that you can go through this season, if you're the Cincinnati Bengals, and think that without Trey Hendrickson, you got better, or you have a chance to do what you're trying to do, especially with what you have on the other side of the football.

36:10Marcus Spears:It's one of the dumbest things that I've watched in football for the last two years. And the Cincinnati Bengals fans, speaking of the fans, They killed my ass two years ago. I still have. Listen, man, this relationship with Trey Henderson and the Cincinnati Bengals is bad. He wants out if they're not going to restructure a contract. You don't know what you're talking about. And then Trey comes back and he's like, yeah, I'm fine. I'm going to stay here. I'm going to play it out. Well, I understand the psychology of a football player. At that time, hey, man, let me go and get these millions and act like everything is okay until it's not okay.

36:46Marcus Spears:and finally it has come to a head once again. And I really don't know the answer. I know one answer in this whole situation. Without Trey Hendrickson, based on what Cincinnati was last year, they're going to be ass on defense, and Joe, them going to have to score 45 to try to win games.

37:01Pat McAfee:The ass on defense is kind of the expectation, I think, by everybody of the Cincinnati Bengals. And I've asked this, you know, to a few people now. Can you win a Super Bowl playing like that? Yes.

37:16Marcus Spears:Listen.

37:17Pat McAfee:Do you win a Super Bowl scoring 50 points, giving up 50 points?

37:21Marcus Spears:No, Pat, but what if you just can be middle of the pack defensively? That offense is good enough. What if you could just get a half better on defense, right? And you can't do that without 91. You're not going to do that without him. So there is always this new hope when you come into an NFL season that, okay, schematically we'll be a little bit better. We fixed a lot of our flaws from last year. We can make these changes and do all of this. Man, if you ain't got no pass rush in the NFL, when your ass is on the road playing Pat Mahomes in the fourth quarter, or when Josh Allen is on the third and nine, and you looking at the defensive line like we got no god-doggone shot to get anybody on the ground.

38:04Marcus Spears:That is when Trey Hendrickson, that extra$12,$13 million he's asking for, you're going to feel like shit that you didn't pay it to him.

38:11Pat McAfee:Yeah, that would be a good time to also remind yourself that's why we paid him 12 13 million that tackle right there literally just happened you talk about the afc and i know the cincinnati bangles have obviously represented the afc in the super bowl in this era i i very much understand that but you you talked about he's gonna have to sack patrick mahomes sometime late in a playoff game if you want to get going josh allen he's gonna have to corral him somehow lamar jackson i mean you just keep going the entire afc is an onslaught let alone danny dimes or anthony richardson yeah

38:45Pat McAfee:geez belly laugh wow somebody tickling your feet don't bring up west virginia all right dude geez louis you don't know wow none of us know none of us know hey I want you know that was one of the most disrespectful things I've ever seen done on national television I think somebody's still tickling his feet there's no way it was just that reaction right there to the Indianapolis Colts being in that dance late

39:23Marcus Spears:I'm not gonna let y 'all do this to Dallas and not do it to you

39:27Pat McAfee:hey I will say though no no I'm not gonna get into it middle of season we'll have you back last question here for you Swaggy we appreciate your time go ahead Con man always a pleasure we've talked about a lot of teams one team in the division in the NFC East everyone talks about every year how the NFC East hasn't had a back to back division winner in 20 years maybe it's the Cowboys time but what about those pesky Giants it feels as though they are going to have one of if not the best defensive line in all of football how do you feel about them especially after that first preseason game, even though it's preseason.

40:06Jackson Dart's looking good. Malik Neighbors is looking good. Do you have hope for the Giants this year?

40:12Marcus Spears:Hey, man, I'm one of those people where I think it's going to be hell to play the New York Giants. I really do, man. The physical brand that they play on defense, but offensively, if they can get one, if Russ can hold it down until we know Jackson Dart's the future. We don't need to, you know, if he can hold it down and have some success. And the one thing we know Russ can do, he can throw that mug downfield. And Malik Nabors can catch it downfield. Offensive line ain't bad. You got a physical football team up front. Left tackle is in a good situation right now. Jackson Dart is going to be the answer.

40:47Marcus Spears:Bro, I'm a big Brian Day Bowl fan. Like, love him. I think he's one of the best in the league. But what it's going to come down to, and the Giants know this right now, we're going to have to kick people's ass on the line of scrimmage. and I think they have the personnel to do it. So if they are in games in the fourth quarter in the NFC's and they got an opportunity to either rush the pass and get people off the field or they can be physical at the point of attack or push the ball down the field, I think they'll have the personnel to do it. Remember, fellas, like a lot of this for the Giants has been personnel, bro.

41:21Marcus Spears:They haven't had good rosters for a minute and I think they are markedly better on both sides of the ball now.

41:29Pat McAfee:Yeah, and I think Dayball is in a situation here where we need to go. I think he knows that. I think everybody knows that. You talk about Jackson being the future. It's like I don't know if any of them there are thinking past this year, we need to roll. And to your point about Dayball being a guy you like, I like him too. I like his vibe. I like his energy. I hope he has success obviously there. But I appreciate him being in the football world. Had this sawed-off little stug in his mouth when I saw him, just like this little nub of a stug. And I was like, I like you're going that low. I respect that you're chewing on that thing that much and it's that low.

42:02Pat McAfee:I respect him. You want him to fight with you.

42:04Marcus Spears:You want him to be one of them dudes with you when y 'all get into the shit.

42:08Pat McAfee:He will, too, during the game. It was down on the goal line. He was about to fight. Tyrod Taylor, right? Yeah, some decision. In my head, I wish I remember what the decision was. Did the clock run out? Yes. Clock run out because he didn't fight. They had a minute or something on the goal line. Yeah, and he was just – it's like he spiked. Oh, yeah.

42:31Marcus Spears:Yeah. Good luck with that. Not how Rob probably would have whipped his ass, but he still was willing to fight. Yeah, he would have lost for sure, which we respect.

42:38Pat McAfee:It would have taken a lot. Yeah, it would have taken a lot. Yeah, he would have – You never know. Shot for a double leg. Yeah, he might have gone insane. We don't know. Maybe end up in a banana split. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you, Swagoo. Hopefully we get a chance to see you more often this year. My brother, you will, man.

42:54Marcus Spears:You will, for sure.

42:55Pat McAfee:Emmy Award winner, ladies and gentlemen, Marcus Spears. Yes, Marcus.

43:02Pat McAfee:I really enjoy that, dude. He's the man. Legit. Yeah. I did, what was it, get up with him maybe? Yeah, probably. A couple different times. And there's like a little green room area over there. He was by far just the most, you know, this guy is. Infectious energy. He got the juice. Yeah, he walks into a room and there's a little bit of movement. Anytime somebody enters a room and there's a little bit of movement, I like it. Somebody enters the room and there's no movement, I start to wonder. About what? What do you wonder about? I go, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's not even a feeling of either a little bit of, oh, what's going to happen here?

43:34Pat McAfee:Or excitement. If somebody walks into a room and there's not a single thing, it's like, all right. So that's exactly how we should be viewing you going forward. No juice. No juice. Which? This guy's got no juice. This guy's got no juice. Yeah. You know who's got juice? Who's that? Oh, the closer for the Milwaukee Brewers. Oh, amen. Oh, my God. He also speaks Spanish, I think. I heard him say one line got a big pop out of about eight Dominican guys. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Milwaukee Brewers, an absolute dog, I believe from Southern California, Trevor McGill. Yeah, Trevor! How's it going, guys?

44:13Hey, how are you? I'm doing well, man. Just enjoying our off day so far.

44:18Pat McAfee:Okay, let's talk about the off day. Did you guys eat a bunch of burgers last night? How did we feel about the burger giveaway? Was that added incentive? Because I know it could have happened earlier in the year. You guys blew it for the whole city. Then yesterday, huge win over to Bucco's, and we get burgers for everybody. Did you guys talk about that before the game, Trevor? Oh, yeah, yeah. The boys are feeling good right now. Burgers were definitely on everybody's mind. I feel like this was their George Webb's, what do you call that, corn dogs jackie moment? Yep. where it finally hit after I think like 2018 was the last one.

44:55It's happened three times total. So this is big. I think they're planning on doing it for like Saturday or something. They got to order a bunch of burgers. Okay. A lot of people.

45:06Pat McAfee:Okay. Yeah. 1987, 2018. And then obviously now it happened. I guess the one in 87 was outrageous. I guess the one in 2018, they gave out like coupons or something. so it didn't work out as much because there's a multiple step process so i'll be excited to see how they handle it this year but let's talk about the team brother when we were at the uh all-star uh week there where you guys get no break i mean basically just work your asses off the entire time you guys by far have the worst setup out of all the all-star weeks as players but it was a great spectacle and it was an honor to meet you people were pissed about the miz being in the all-star game nobody was really talking about the brewers you guys are the best team in baseball Did we know that at the time at the Home Run Derby?

45:48Pat McAfee:And why didn't you fucking tell me that so that I could sound smart on this show? We all knew in the clubhouse. I mean, we kind of got our ass kicked a little bit in April there. And I think that kind of just opened up the team's eyes to, like, what needs to be done to moving forward. And, you know, we've all kind of locked arms since then and have gotten it done. So our guys, you know, we're feeling good in the clubhouse. And everybody's just genuinely pulling for each other there. okay so you as a closer sick job by the way i think that's a if i was a pitcher i think as kicker punter i think closer probably the most similar mindset wise where you're jogging out literally all eyes and we're going to figure out right now whether it happens or it doesn't happen you have the metallica four horsemen entrance obviously massive metallica fan happy that that happens for you every time you go out there is that accurate we're retelling the story eight Metallica concerts you've been to?

46:43No, no, not eight. I've been to three so far. Let's get to eight, though. I'm sure they'll still be playing for a while. Huge Metallica fan. It's a big part of my life. To have the whole stadium blacked out and right as I go through those gates, the song starts screaming. It just gives me goosebumps every time, man. Even right now, thinking about it. It's badass what the team's done for putting that together for me. I couldn't thank them enough. They've done such a good job with my insurance.

47:15Pat McAfee:So every game you could be up, though? I don't know the life. I don't know pitching and baseball. You could be up every single game, and then what is it, like the seventh, sixth, seventh inning? It's like, okay, real opportunity. Then you start warming. Because I know pitchers have full routine, too. How does that work for you? Oh, shoot. My routine, I mean, we're starting. If we're at a home game, like I'll watch the first inning, and then the second inning I'm doing a Theragun on my entire body. third inning I'm doing like a light roll um on the ground down there in the bullpen just to get everything activated and then it's like fifth to the eighth inning is all just like okay what is the little tweak that I need to fix and how do I fix it uh to get ready and feel the best for the ninth um so there's there's a lot that goes into my routine personally I know everybody's different Some people don't do as much as I do, but I kind of like just nerd out and try and figure out just exactly how I can feel 100 % every day, if not get as close to that as possible.

48:17So there's a lot. I think that's the one thing that just kind of helps me, too, is being in your routine every single day helps drown out a lot of the noise, especially, you know, in the Brewer Stadium. The people have been showing up and been loud as hell the last couple of weeks. So, yeah, it's just staying in the routine is big for me.

48:37Pat McAfee:How many appearances will you have throughout a year? Like, what's an average? This year you guys are better. Does that mean more you? I'm at, like, 40-something right now. I mean, guys like Uribe, he's up there in the 50s. Jared's up in the 50s. Like, it just kind of depends. So, if the game is three runs or less, you know, tied to three runs or less, then that's my role to go in and do it. other than that I'm just kind of on standby and seeing and watching what the other guys are doing and then when my time comes it's time to close it it's time for the lights to go out Metallica hits McGill's taking them on that is such a dramatic spectacle I love everything about it because the mentality of a pitcher has to be a special one anyways what's that movie that I always talk about the clear mechanisms no no yeah it's goddamn name's blank.

49:31Billy Chappell is who Kevin Costner plays in the movie. For the love of the game. There it is. That movie's fire.

49:42Pat McAfee:The clear mechanisms thing he says, I think, and it blocks out everybody. A lot of kicking coaches and kicking people show that clip. They're talking about how this is just you operating with the ball right now. That is all it is. Nothing else matters. That is a real thing. when it gets loud are you you said you're trying to block it out but it looks like you are embracing as well because we throw some heat brother right we're throwing we're going out yeah we're going out gas and then we're also got some moxie too and obviously the flat bill looks hilarious i mean everything about it is awesome you're a showman but are you acknowledging what's happening around you are you trying to like that movie lock in completely on what you're doing i mean the crowd is the crowd and um you you get enough experience i mean you're familiar with this too it's like you're out there enough and you've done it plenty of times like eventually the noise is just the noise you know it's it doesn't cause like an emotional response from the player um you know it just it's there you acknowledge it and you just move move past it um so i mean for me it's just it's kind of it's comfortable it's like working in chaos and like having organized chaos uh so i i like it i kind of chase after the adrenaline rush when i'm pitching uh and like bigger moments you know it just it makes me you know feel better you know dopamine hit when you succeed like that's what i'm after that's that's the big thing with closing i feel like for a lot of people is just that big dopamine spike that you get when you go and you shove it.

51:19Pat McAfee:Yeah, we don't want anybody to pump it, but we do want to shove it. Hell yeah. Yeah. Baseball. Yeah, I mean, that's the big part for me, man, is just that feeling you get afterwards, especially like strike out the last dude. You're the one that completed the job there on the last pitch, and it's like, okay, you can do your celebration at that time. or Joey Ortiz makes a badass play or Perkins makes a badass play. It's like whoever gets that last play, they get to be so fired up. It's fun. Yeah, I love watching. Brother, I didn't know you existed, obviously, before the All-Star game. Then after talking to you, I go to the rest of the boys that didn't get a chance to beat you.

51:58Pat McAfee:I was like, Ty, who are we? We were just talking to a legend there, it felt like. And I started watching your shit and watching the Brewers since then. Fun team, bro. Yeah. Fun, fun team. You're an entertaining, Power of friendship, man. That is. That is power. Hey, put her here, pal. Absolutely. Right here. I just got the shirts, man. These things are dropping, I think, this week. You can get them on AthletesLogo.com. 15 % of them are going to go to the flood victims out here in Milwaukee. Okay. Great plug. What is the website? Athletelogos.com. All right. They got everything you need. They got, I think, I'll check this morning.

52:36They got mugs, hats, jackets, et cetera. But it's good. John, that's going to go too. A good cause out there in Milwaukee.

52:42Pat McAfee:All right, we will buy a whole slew for us. And if we can help out any other way, you let us know. Okay, Ty has some baseball questions for you here. Yeah, Trevor, everyone always talks about teams peaking too early. Obviously, we have a month of the season left. But you guys have been the best team in baseball since the All-Star break. I think as of this morning, you're maybe seven and a half games up on the Cubs in the division. Is there any thought of that? like, oh shit, we are playing our best baseball right now when we really need to be playing our best baseball in a month and a half? Or does it feel like every day when you guys show up at the stadium, regardless of where you're playing, like, no, we're going to win today and we're in a mode right now where we can carry this through the postseason and well into October?

53:25I mean, Pat Murphy's slogan is win tonight. And it certainly feels like right now it's win tonight, it's win every night. and you talk about peaking too early or peaking too late or however that rolls I think with the baseball season you just go out there and you just keep doing what you're doing and you play the game right, you put the bunts down, you steal your bases, you catch throw strikes, you get rewarded and I just think that's the one thing with our team right now is we just play baseball the proper way and don't count on the long ball, don't count on you know, X, Y, and Z to, to win the game for us.

54:07It's just kind of everybody do your job, keep your head down, let's do it. And, you know, we're seeing the success we're seeing right now because everybody's bought it and they know their roles and, you know, they're, they're having success within those roles. So it's just, it's just everything is working right now and, you know, it's, we'll see what happens in the next 40 games or so, however many we have left. But, you know, we're definitely comfortable talking about it while we're playing. and acknowledging just, you know, what's going on. And I think that's different from years past that I've been with the Brewers because, you know, 23, 24 are both great teams as well.

54:43But it was almost like the don't want to talk about it, don't want to jinx it. It's not like that this year. It's okay, it's the Brewers. And, you know, we're feeling it right now. So let's just keep it going.

54:55Pat McAfee:I love that you guys feel legit, you know, because at the beginning you're wondering, you know, you've never experienced it before. Let's not talk about it. Let's not ruin it. Okay, we're doing something good here. Baseball also, I think you guys do a lot of weird shit, I think, because of how long the seasons are. You know, we're doing a lot of interesting stuff. From what I've gathered from the movies about your sport, not that I've ever been in there. So let's not talk about it. Let's not jinx it. Let's do that. Pitchers, too, I think there's a lot of that conversation. Now you guys are a mature team.

55:19Pat McAfee:That's what we need to know about the Brewers. They're ready for the moment. Only 40 more games. That's all right. Only 40 more games. You guys play a lot of games over there. Excited for the next CBA for you guys. Hembo sent me a text, man. Yeah, just drop that in there. Yeah, just drop it in there. Oh, boy, man, stirring the pot a little bit. Yeah, just drop it in there a little bit. You guys play a lot of games on the road a lot. It's not easy. Hembo texted me. He works, obviously, for ESPN. Big stack guy. Loves baseball. Okay, works for Greeny on GetUp and everything like that. He said, just some insight.

55:49Pat McAfee:While you were talking, he said this. Trevor McGill throws a 99-mile-an-hour fastball with 19 inches of induced vertical break in an 88-mile-an-hour curveball with 43 inches of vertical drop. That's a disgusting tandem is what Hembo just said. Literally while you were talking, he sent that to me. That's 43 inches of drop-off. That's your out pitch, baseball? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's kind of like a little older of a metric, I guess, in baseball. But we go by like induced on all of our stuff, and I think it's around like 7-8. But, yeah, that's the out pitch. 43 inches is a new stat for me. I've never even looked at that number.

56:30Pat McAfee:Hey, Hemmo's got a big brain, brother. Hemmo's got a big brain. We're coming up on a hard out, so I don't want to cut you off here, but I have to. Thank you so much for joining us. Good luck the rest of the year. Absolutely. Thank you guys so much for having me on, man. Tell the lads we said hello and the power of friendship. Power of friendship. Go Brewers, man. Ladies and gentlemen, Trevor McGill. Yeah, Trevor. What power of friendship just happened. Yeah, nuke. That was awesome. Hour two on the other side. Got a lot of good stuff. We'll see you then. Goodbye.

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58:05Pat McAfee:Hello beautiful people and welcome back to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this glorious football Thursday, August 14, 2025. Our tour of the program begins now. Football! It is magical. We're lucky to talk about it every single day. The Toxic Tables here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Is there a wolf howling at the moon and the American flag at the same damn time? Yeah, except I don't know if he's out. I think he might be on football, too. Okay, he's out. Football.

58:36We lost yesterday. Let's not talk. No, we should talk about resilience, hard work, not quitting. You guys lost. Not quitting, not burying the ball. You guys lost. Not getting overwhelmed. We're blue-collar players. That's right. Of Euchre. Card game. Created in Pennsylvania. That was Bill's Chiefs regular season. Yeah. Congrats, Bill's.

58:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, they won. uh foxy and d butt beat connor and i yesterday nine uh 10-9 at one point it was 9-1 i mean it was not good now granted i did two calls during that game had no idea what the suit was multiple times was not paying attention and all of a sudden i look down it's nine to one you're right we didn't give up all of a sudden i get off the phone what's the score nine one oh i'd like to go alone yeah All of a sudden, we're a little bit... 9-2. And then, yeah, just get away. Then it was 9-3. 9-3. Then it was 9-4. Now we got a euchre. 9-6. Hold on a second. Vibes are high. D-butt starts doing some, you know, kind of suspect shit.

59:42Pat McAfee:He's got some AJ Hawk in him. It was awesome. He cut the deck. One car at the bottom. He said it was two, actually. Oh, okay. And then Foxy got a loaner. Yeah, exactly. And then he howled right in our face. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of shit yesterday. But you're right. We battled. I mean, and that's the thing. You know, a lot of teams, the team we were playing, for instance, they quit when they were down 9-1 to us in the sky. But what did we do? We won 13-1. We actually howled at the moon right in their faces. Is this a victory lap for a loss right now? Is that what's going on? Yeah. Hey, so you're doing one half of the hammer.

1:00:12Pat McAfee:Cowboys, AP Tones. It doesn't feel like that. We're just talking ball. No, we're talking about it. We're talking ball. We're talking about we're in training camp right now, too. Yeah. Okay, we learned a lot about our team. And our cards. Yeah, we are in joint practices. They're doing shit. we've never seen before. Hey, the cut. I've never seen a deck of cards cut the way it was cut. Actually, I have seen it. I have seen it. When somebody's trying to make a mockery of cards. Sure. That is what they would do. Now, there is no rule against what he did. No. So I guess I could – and then all of a sudden, Foxy gets a loaner literally the next – it's like, I don't know what's going on.

1:00:46Pat McAfee:I don't like it. But now that we're in training camp, and we're learning what you're doing, Foxy. Yeah, I know. And honestly, I'll be on the plane when you guys beat us like six games in a row. Debo and I were due for that. Also 9-9. I mean, I don't know if you even want me to say it, but Foxy was shaking in his boots when it was 9-9. Yeah, the whole gazebo was cool. We knew what was going on. Debo was standing in the back corner when we were in there, so that might have been what the... There's no reason for Debo to catch a straight here. No, no. That's why it smelled like shit in the gazebo.

1:01:18Pat McAfee:It's not why. Debo has a great scent. He smells good. One half of the hammer. Cowboys AP town. is D-Bone. He's learning the game. Now you're trying to kick him out of learning the game. There's no reason to do that. His scent was fine. Hey, you come into Gazeba, okay? We do need you to kind of back off the table a little bit. One half of the hammer. He's also a blogger, I heard, yesterday. Bone? Well, you told me he was. Remember? Yeah. In his sense. He is. He's a blogger. He's got two full-time jobs. He's a blogger. The scent is... Tone's an author. The book is currently available. and right now everything on our store except for your book is currently 20 off and for everybody that was watching and listening that doesn't know what eucharist just know it's a two-on-two game me and connor damn near unbeatable so when other people beat us it is a big story this is a big deal uh they had us at 9-1 if they would have beat us 10 to 1 that would have been headline news that would have that would have been that would have been headline massive bro it really would have been maybe the greatest moment of their card playing lives would have taken place because of how this normally goes we fought back we showed resilience we're in training camp we're also learning through the need to know gambler's guide for college ball for the 2025-2026 season currently available now 9.99 everything else in the store 20 off except for the book because we couldn't rip the people off that bought it yesterday it'd be very rude of us to do tone college balls right around the corner we're excited uh anything not getting talked about enough you think other than this michigan ruling coming tomorrow out of nowhere kind of yeah i I don't speak about the Michigan ruling in the book.

1:02:50I like to keep it on the field. That's where I live. That's where I work. That's where I play. Some things that aren't being talked about enough. That's where they play, too. Some things that aren't being talked about enough. There's still some quarterback battles out there that aren't being talked about enough by the main media. Notre Dame still hasn't picked a quarterback yet. There's a rumor Ohio State has not picked a quarterback yet. So out there, there's still some main big school quarterback battles that are still going on that are definitely something to watch going in.

1:03:18Pat McAfee:And not on that top 25. West Virginia still has quarterback battle happening, too. Actually, every position. Every position. Between who? Four guys. And they might all play. They might all play, to be honest. Okay, maybe. Rich Rod won't give out his depth chart. And they ask him about the depth chart. And every time he turns it into a scene. And I appreciate the way Coach Rod is operating right now in these press conferences. I like the way he's operating on that practice field. And I like the fact that you see his top 25. Here's a prediction. WVU will end up in this thing by the end of the season.

1:03:46Pat McAfee:Boom. Okay. At one point or we'll finish in it? Finish. Okay. Because we'll get hot late. I think we're going to see some hard times, brother. I think there's going to be some. No. Just we're transitioning. Your early season schedule is nice. I know. It's very boom, bang, pow. Watch out for the Bobcats week two, though. I know Ohio is a team, and they've got a lot of big time games. Can't. Cannot lose to the Bobcats. Rich Rod will fight every player on the team before that happens. Here you go to Athens. But that will be – yeah, and a lot of West Virginia fans are buying Ohio season tickets so that the ticket prices won't get run up.

1:04:19Pat McAfee:That's going to be awesome. Because I guess like season tickets are cheaper than what the ticket could go up because of the potential travel or whatever. Nonetheless, West Virginia is going to be good. Might take some time though. Okay. We're turning over a – I mean a completely different trees leaf. Yeah. Different mountains. Yeah, it's a different country's leaf that we're going over here. So many. Versus what it used to be. But anyways, all the great teams out there. Michigan still has a quarterback battle too. I looked at the list. I forgot them. Chase Herbstreit. Him and Underwood, I guess, are making a late poll to be the starter.

1:04:50He can't get off his phone, allegedly. Chase is just in there playing classic plans. I heard Pate say something about that.

1:04:54Pat McAfee:Pate said there's a quarterback in the country that's so addicted to his phone, he might lose his job. Yeah, or he's in a quarterback battle, and that's what's keeping him back. He's addicted to being on his phone. I assume he says, I'm watching film on here. That's what I'm doing all day, every day. It's an interesting time right now with technology. You know, because we see meetings where guys leave so they can have a phone break. And it's like, oh, that's an interesting dynamic to have to deal with. Joining us now is a guy who's addicted to his phone. And I'm excited to see how he ends up beating it, just like he beat his shellfish allergy that he had years ago, where he wanted to have shrimp cocktail at a hoity-toity event, but he just couldn't because he was allergic to shellfish.

1:05:33Pat McAfee:So he battled it over years where he would micro-dose himself with little tiny shellfish dosings where his body would certainly have hives, but he wouldn't die like what was happening. And once he continued to battle against this allergy, he inevitably beat it. And he put on that tuxedo, and he walked into that hoity-toity event, and he had that shrimp cocktail. This is a story that people will talk about for lifetimes. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, one of the most inspiring guys to ever exist. Kind of going through a hair transition right now, but we'll be with him along that path.

1:06:06Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Thank you for proving that you can beat anything, including shellfish allergies. A.J., we appreciate that. Yeah, you can't. I don't need any credit for that. I did that for myself, not for anybody else. But I do not own a tux, let alone, I don't think I've ever rented a tux, maybe for prom or something back in the day. But, yeah, I can eat shrimp cocktail, and my eyes don't explode, and my throat doesn't close. up anymore, so I'm good. We're happy for you. That's huge. Worth it. What events have some cocktail that don't have that type of, you know, setup thing?

1:06:39I mean, I don't know. Does anyone wear a tux anymore? When's the last time you saw people wear a black tie situation? Me and Connor both won one. Yeah, big night out. Oh, really? Yeah, that's true. One of them came

1:06:50Pat McAfee:with no cheeks. Yeah, mine's exactly right. That seemed to be especially tailored. Those exist. You saw Michael Cole was, you know, Yeah, it's all out there. Handsome Michael Cole. So they still exist. But that was what you wanted to get the shrimp cocktail green light for, right? So when you're around these types of people and they're all going, AJ, you're going to have to try this shrimp. Eric James? If I have to go somewhere and I'm really hungry and the real food isn't out yet and they have shrimp cocktail, I'm like, yep, give me a couple of those guys. Those will hold me over for a couple minutes.

1:07:21Pat McAfee:Oh, you're talking about down there St. Elmo's, Harry and Izzy's. Where you're trying to get something until... You're looking for the sizzle before the steak. You're looking for the sizzle before the steak. A lot to talk about in the football world. We'll have Johnny Manziel joining us in about five minutes or so. He's coming with Sling TV. Sling TV still exists, and they have day passes. So I can't wait to talk to Johnny about that. AJ, it looks like you're interested. I honestly am very interested. I have tried it in the past. It's been a while since I've used it, but I did try it years ago.

1:07:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, it was a trip down memory lane whenever we read this. We were like, Sling TV? Holy shit. i remember when i was like now i don't know if we're helping the cause because they're basically marketing people that don't have access to any streaming platforms um for sling tv's day passes but johnny will know more yeah he will also excited to hear johnny's thoughts on how everything's going texas a &m yeah boom gonna be a team yes they will gonna be a squad donner law of elko okay aj i don't know if you saw last night history was made what's that don't play dumb with me first of all there's a new album coming out on october oh yeah yeah of course that yeah i thought yeah i mean that took over the world the whole situation actually did yes uh october 3rd we got we got a new taylor swift album coming out life of a showgirl yeah this album was wrote written written while she was touring in europe three days show three days in sweden uh creating an album i don't know how legitimately with watching her show how it's three hours straight no break and how many shows she did now granted she's making an immense amount of money so nobody's going to feel bad for this but just the machine that taylor swift is listening to her last night on the new heights podcast there's a lot of business game dropped in there if you were to listen to it i think there's a nice showcase of travis and taylor actually in love yeah and i also think you'll you'll notice that travis certainly understood that his reactions to everything were going to be judged yeah you It felt like they nailed it.

1:09:19Pat McAfee:Travis nailed it, I feel like. And Jason Kelsey out here launching questions in from a different city. Unbelievable. Bravo. Legitimately, I thought it was very well done. Now, granted, obviously it was edited and all that stuff. Who knows? Maybe she gave away too much because she is very, very cerebral with what is going out whenever it comes to anything about her art and her music and everything. But I thought it was incredibly well done. it got up to 1.3 million at one point of live concurrent viewers from all around the world that is gigantic has absolutely that is so many people just so happen to have to get there to watch it incredible work and taylor swift should continue to you know i think she should peacock a little bit more about who she is and what she is because look at the list here now so rogan and trump uh when they want they got 800 ,000 live concurrent viewers huge number okay 800 ,000 concurrence is a huge number we had 500 ,000 concurrence whenever and 504 ,000 i believe is the exact number whenever aaron said that decision's already been made i'm going to whatever the whole i'm leaving the packers basically huge absurd number so that is just putting into perspective who the hell she is just so whenever you hear people say like we're tired of seeing and Taylor Swift.

1:10:37Pat McAfee:It's like she is the one on this planet Earth right now. It is no questions asked, and I thought she was very human. Yeah. I thought she was very, very human on that. And showcasing them actually being a couple, I thought it was a cool thing. I thought it was very well done, and I'm incredibly proud and happy and pumped for them, the entire team over there. Yeah, it was really good. Jason, you mentioned it. I thought he was hilarious throughout the entire thing because it was one of those interviews where because Taylor Swift if never does anything, stuff like that, that you don't really hear her talk.

1:11:09You see her, but you don't hear her talk. You don't hear her thoughts. You don't hear how she thinks. Like the football stuff, she is very, very genuine, is legitimately learning the game. She said she'll be an analyst in 16 months or so.

1:11:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, but then she won cover two, cover four, cover zero. You can tell that she is interested in learning. She feels like she is somebody who needs to understand what's going on. Yes. I feel like she is. You know what I mean, AJ? She's at these games. I mean, people that are high performers usually are very, very curious, and they don't think that they have all the answers. I appreciated her saying that people were going to hate to hear her on that. I appreciated all of that. Self-awareness seemed to be in there, even though in that particular life with the one she specifically lives, you could lose all self-awareness quickly, especially for how long she has been who the hell she is.

1:11:53Pat McAfee:They talked about her walking into the game. Yeah. The first time that she ever went to the Kansas City game, She walked in the normal entrance with a bunch of Travis's friends that he's been friends with since he was like five years old. And that is incredible. Shout out Scott. Shout out Scott. Yeah, huge shout out for Scott. Scott's going to love that. Shout out to his dad. He got a massive shout out as well. Him being like the nicest, coolest guy of all time. And then just from the music side of it, you know, we just went to the eras tour and there were a lot of different eras. And there was some slower music that were about maybe past relationships.

1:12:28the music side of it I think is the most exciting part this is all going to be upbeat music we're talking Shake It Off, we're talking Red, we're talking Style, we're talking 1989 mixed with you know probably some songs about Travis, probably some songs about the Kansas City Chiefs and the Super Bowl so it's going to be great for possibly men here on this next Taylor Swift album. What I would like is

1:12:49Pat McAfee:a Dudes Are Okay album I would like that a lot like Boyfriends Are Good because it is as my wife is listening to taylor's story i can feel a couple ricochet shots because of what some other dudes sure sure who i don't like i'm not on this sure what they've done to me yeah same team hey hey i'm on i am on taylor's side in this entire thing so i'm excited for that but literally whatever she does is gonna work like that is how i kind of feel after watching and uh i sent a text to travis and jason telling them how awesome it was and also thanks for the just shout out in there and also in the GQ magazine where he looks super cool.

1:13:29Pat McAfee:He does. He looks so cool and all those things. I don't know if I would ever sign up for that. I'm happy he did. You would. I'm happy. I would not. You would. I think the photos, if you did it, would be comedy. Yeah, that would be comedic as opposed to a model. Yeah, exactly. He's so handsome. He's got that awesome. So it's a great time for them. I'm pumped. And Jason Kelsey, just to reiterate the point, what a phenomenal performance. Wood. His. Nice. I got a massive pop. I know her and Travis both died laughing. Track nine, wood, and Jason just takes it in immediately. Wood, not night. To the next one.

1:14:11Pat McAfee:And then Taylor called Travis at one point a human exclamation point. And this is Jason's reaction. Oh, how did I not think of that? Like, that is literally what he says. How have I never thought of that? How did I miss that is actually what he says. I've been with this guy since he's born. He is a human, exclamation point. And I think that was a cool thing for all of them, to showcase that, like, hey, we're humans. We are humans out here. Because Taylor has gotten to a point where, obviously, her fans view her as an icon, which they should. That's how fans feel about people. They're fanatics.

1:14:42Pat McAfee:And then her haters view her as not a human. It's like, this is just a thing that exists that we hate. And it's like, I think it's a little humanizing. I think it was awesome. I'm happy for it. Yeah, it was incredible. And to your point about humanizing, Jason Kelsey immediately after, I believe, made a joke about the Just for Men that he used in his beard. He said, yeah, I was a little bit too heavy on him. A little bit too heavy on the beard. Yeah, I get it. Nobody thinks that's actually my beard. Respect to all of them. 1.3 million people got their way to it, to watch it. Incredible feat. Congrats to them.

1:15:17Pat McAfee:And, yeah, I think Trump was with the full send guys, too. I think that had another 500 ,000. There's a few. But I mean, combine the two. That's what it is. Yeah, exactly. It's insane. That's power. Taylor Swift. It's big. Why are these guys, why is anybody a fan of her? It's like a lot of motherfuckers are fans. Taylor Swift. Joining us now is a guy who a lot of people are fans of, have been for a long time. We watched this dude go from who the hell is that to wow, is that the best college football player of all time? than following his entire professional life and his entire life story has certainly been something to look on from afar and say, I hope he figures it out.

1:15:54Pat McAfee:Feels like he's in an incredible place now. Representing Sling TV, we're offering day passes. Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, Heisman, Johnny Menzel. Yay, Johnny! How you doing, brother? Boys, so glad to be back. It's great to have you, man. How's Sling TV? So we didn't know Sling TV still existed. We looked into it. we're pumped we got day passes we got weekend passes we got week passes and the person that's passing the news about the passes johnny fucking manziel we're big fans of what's going on how's the day been with sling tv listen you know what you get ball ball ball for 4.99 whenever you want it you don't gotta sit there and get tied up and all the hey you get hit with another charge this and that oh i need to cancel nothing you want sec football baby you got it okay shout out to sling tv for that shout out to you for uh doing this you've been working today huh yeah i'm putting on a little work day it's fine it's la it's nice we're chilling how has it been how is everything are we still down in college station every once in a while how do we feel about texas a &m how's johnny manzel brother you know johnny manzel has been traveling the world with a good homie of mine and seeing some amazing concerts night in and night out.

1:17:14I've been to probably six countries in the last two months, flying on Air Drake, going to see some shows. The last couple shows I've been to, I've asked for some extra tickets, and I'm walking outside of the venues and stuff and trying to go bless some people and just be like, hey, do you have a ticket to the show? The guy was like, no. I'm like, you want to go see the greatest concert of your life? Here you go.

1:17:40Pat McAfee:How has this concert been? Drake's concerts have been the greatest concert you've ever... They've been amazing, man. The guy is such a legend, such a great performer, so much energy. And to me, just been an amazing friend. I think, you know, there was a point in time where I was in college and I go to Toronto for the first time and my mom calls me and she's like, what the hell are you doing? Why are you in Toronto? And why are you hanging out with rappers? And you fast forward 15 years later and we're out the other night and my mom texts me and I pick up the phone and I FaceTime her. I'm with Drake and just the smile on her face whenever she knows I'm in such good company around great people.

1:18:20She texts me right after and she's like, I know you're the happiest and safest you could ever be. Tell Drake I love him. Have fun. Wow. Such a good family thing by now.

1:18:29Pat McAfee:Hey, I like to hear that. We don't get that a lot in this world. You know, I don't think that really gets chatted about. You know, Drake run through some stuff, obviously publicly. We all saw it. And then his bounce back here has been a big dub, obviously, throughout it all. How has he been through it all? And have you shared, you know, life stories? And throughout this 15 years of friendship, have you guys kind of battled through and leaned on each other through it all? You know, we went to dinner the other night and somebody that we were with asked, like, you know, how do you guys know each other?

1:18:59And when it first happened, I was kind of like, huh? Like, what? And his response was, you know, I don't know. We met. We hung out. I made a song about it. We've been homies ever since. And then I went back to the hotel that night and really thought about it. And like, what a crazy story from a kid from Kerrville, Texas, and a guy from Toronto, Canada, can meet the way we did and end up sitting here 15 years later and be thick as thieves, great boys, everybody in his crew that works, that does his music. To me, it really, really is a family thing. and something that I make sure to reiterate to him every single time how thankful I am to be able to have somebody like him in my life.

1:19:42And I texted him the other day and was just like, you know what? The vibe and what you're just kind of oozing out to everyone around, everybody that's around you day in and day out is infectious. It's amazing to see you have as much fun as you do, work as hard as you do, and take care of so many people. I think anybody that really knows him and is around him um fuck all the bullshit that guy is

1:20:07Pat McAfee:a true one-on-one I'd say and the numbers speak for themselves obviously uh the success as well he uh yeah I mean his what has it been like 15 20 years dominance uh by him through it all air Drake you talk about yeah it's like a 757 or something he flies around it's it's the most absurd shit congrats him congrats you happy you guys are friends and you know can lean on each other throughout this life that's a beautiful thing go ahead aj yeah john i want a quick follow up on the drake situation when when you're actually when you first get to go travel with him and see how he operates and how his team operates i guess was it uh was it eye-opening wasn't inspiring to see i would assume a guy like that we just think okay the guy rolls out of bed and he has hits but there's no one really there's no secret to it guys usually are working their their balls off and they're especially to stay for as long as he has been relevant how good he is what's it like behind the scenes seeing how everything operates and how hard he probably works yeah i think i've learned so much being around the day in and the day out from from the security aspect of it to the way he moves to uh just the whole operation of the whole thing is truly truly crazy just um you want to talk about efficiency and how you move and get from one place to the next and like making sure everybody's good like it is ridiculous to have 15 black cars at all times you text in a group chat hey i need to go here i need to do this just the way that it is and and you know you hit the nail on the head earlier where you know this guy could you know get some inspiration from somewhere that we're at and go back to the hotel room at five six seven in the morning, eight in the morning, sit and create a piece of art in the room and just bang it out.

1:21:53And it's, it's, it's been amazing to see. I think, um, for me, um, whenever he was like, you know what, come, you're coming on tour with me, come stay as long as you want. If you need to go work, go back, take care of your business. But, um, just the whole thing, I think I look back at this, you know, when I'm 50, 60 years old and it's all said and done, he's done making music and be like, yo, I got to do that.

1:22:18Pat McAfee:Yeah, not just that. There's a lot of things in Johnny Manziel's life that when you look back at 50, 60 years old, and I assume much like myself, there's no way you thought you'd live that long. So it's like, there's a lot that you've been able to do. Take it all in, brother. Enjoy it. That is what is about all of it legitimately. Now let's talk a little bit about you playing football and who you are. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Johnny, just off the top of my head, I don't think there's been someone who's had as much like hype and build up in terms of a college quarterback since you until Arch Manning this year?

1:22:48Just based on like your experience and what you went through after the Heisman year and all that kind of stuff, how do you think Arch is going to fare? You know, because it feels like half the people are like, hey, this guy's going to win the Heisman this year. And half the people are like, you know what, why are we hyping up this guy? He might be like the seventh or the eighth best quarterback in the SEC yeah I think him being the seventh or eighth best in the SEC I don't think we're going to see that I think he's going to live somewhere in the top three of SEC play when it's all said and done I think with the people that he's had around him the way that he was raised the way that he's grown up I think he's prepared for what he is getting himself into but when it comes down to it it is SEC football, they are going to scheme for him.

1:23:35They're going to be prepared for him. They know what kind of quarterback he is. So you're getting everybody's best shot. You know, you're starting up the season at the top of the board. You know who's coming for the top of the board? Everybody below you. So I have high expectations. It's tough to pick anybody that's going to walk on the cross the stage in New York in August. It's really hard. And it's almost better to not be the guy with the best odds going into it because i can look back throughout the years the odds on favorite going into the season really hasn't ever been the winner when it's all said and done but he has the opportunity with the schedule as the opportunity with the conference to do everything that he needs to do to be in new york in december so i expect um good things for

1:24:23Pat McAfee:march i hope he goes on and does it yeah hell yeah awesome i hope he goes off i hope he goes dude the hype is crazy obviously i've known him since he's a kid but like everything else um i've known of him since he was a kid i haven't known him throughout his entire life but you get it it's like if he just goes off the mental toughness that's why like for guys like you especially whenever you're down there texas a &m it was like everybody on earth was expecting you to have a huge game it's like hey one up yourself from last week bro what and you just continue to do that the mentality that it takes to do that week in week out especially with all the distractions which we got a chance to see a lot of yours i couldn't even imagine if nowadays nil i'm sure you've done the math i'm sure you've been asked about it but like the nil world for money manziel would have been outrageous oh my god think about cash app all the money yeah everything literally the money companies would want to be with let's not get into that we don't need to get into that no you know Maybe one of these days A &M will slide me a little check under the desk and make it all right.

1:25:26Pat McAfee:Let's talk about A &M on that note. Go ahead, AP Tone. Yeah, Johnny, quarterback Marcel Reed, who they basically found last year as a starter, has got a little bit of money man's out to his game. Do you like that Texas A &M now has more of a playmaking quarterback for this season? How do you feel about the boys this year? You know, I was in the U.K. the other day, and we had an off night from a show and was sitting there on Twitter looking at a bunch of camp clips and seeing some routes on air and seeing some stuff. And I hit him on Instagram. I'm like, yo, give me a call. And he called me maybe 20 minutes later.

1:26:04We sat and had a 20, 30-minute phone call and just really trying to give him some tips and just talk to him and see how he's feeling. So I think for him being able to spend the majority of the time being under center, getting the reps, knowing that you're going to be the guy. Listen, everybody could see from what he did when he came in LSU last year that the guy has the ability to shake you out of your shoes, be an unbelievable threat running the football. I think people are going to be able to prepare for that. And he's going to have to step up in a bigger way, making passes down the field and making the whole thing work.

1:26:37But I think having the full offseason to be able to get the reps, have the time, especially week in, week out throughout the season, will benefit him tremendously compared to what he was doing last year.

1:26:49Pat McAfee:That College Station place is awesome. I went down there twice last year. Man, we had a good time on game day last year. That was a hell of a time. Absolutely. I mean, twice. We're down there two times. And it's like the crowd was immaculate. Now, obviously, I think they're like, I don't want to say forced, but everybody feels obligated to be a big fan. It feels like. Everybody on campus and in that area, I think, feels obligated to be a massive fan. The midnight yell practice, I happen to be staying very close to where that was happening. Very, very close. Very, very close. There might have been a bus that I was staying in that was literally right outside the stadium at that particular game.

1:27:26Pat McAfee:And I'm there chilling, and I'd heard about it, but I didn't really know what it was going to be. I mean, it was loud. I mean, it was very loud in that stadium at like 1 a.m. And then I'm like, oh, nobody's going to show up for game day. I mean, this is a quick turnaround. It was like, nope, they just rolled right out of there, right into game day. It was like, what a great football school A &M is. Like a perfect football school, almost. Do you feel the same way about that town? Oh, man, it's unbelievable. Seeing that stadium now and what it is and, you know, just week in and week out, you have some of the best fans in all of sports.

1:28:01you know I think they live for it you know people that flock into that town on a weekend and just absolutely take it over the spirit is unbelievable the stadium you know the university is great you know they love it down in Aggieland and I know for one thing if you guys make it back this year I'm taking your ass out on a bar crawl okay alright so I don't know

1:28:26Pat McAfee:do we still got the bar down there the shop bar down there or no We still got Money Bar. We're alive and well. Okay. So I was out at like 9 down there. Oh, yeah. 9, 930. I believe Shane was potentially in town as well. Shane Gillis was in town as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think. And I'm like, I got to wake up very early. It's 9 o 'clock. Johnny's place hasn't even opened yet. I'm like, what are we? I don't know if I can make it. I don't know if I can make it. I'm an old man, Johnny. We're a late night joint. We're opening at 10, staying until 2. but uh you know it's it's been fun to be able to have a place um of my own where you know i i've johnny football was born on the on those streets i could imagine yeah some of those photos that i've seen of you from college just walking those streets thing i wonder what was your ai yeah of course of course a uh i couldn't imagine a drake concert in la okay just drake's ties to LA and everything like that you were there last night there's a bunch of sports icons out there saw a picture with you and Kevin Durant obviously I believe there's also a picture of you with one of our close friends and everything that's happening okay yeah fist bump for Tyrese for sure Connor has a question yeah Johnny how is Tyrese's Achilles doing you know we've been kind of worried over here I spoke to him for probably 10-15 minutes last night walking around on a boot You know, obviously been with KD a lot.

1:29:57Obviously dealt with a similar injury. So I think for him, seeing him at dinner last night in really, really good spirits, I think, you know, whatever I told him, which was pretty much, you know, you're going through the pain. You're going through the parts that really, really suck. You know, this is as bad as it gets being an athlete having this injury happen. So it's determination, resiliency. I think everybody in the country was enamored with what he did throughout these playoffs and what he did this season. I think the guy is unbelievable talent, a lot of room to grow, and going through one of those pieces of life right now where you get slapped with some adversity.

1:30:39And it really is one of those character building things of how are you going to fight through this slowly but surely and bounce back. and from what I saw last night in the conversation we had, man, what a guy. I think he's on the right path. He'll be back.

1:30:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, we love him. He's made the right stuff. All right, so what's next on tour? Where are we headed? You said you've been in six countries. You're in LA right now. We just consider that its own country as well. I assume with everything. Yeah, I'm gonna work for a couple days and then I'm hopping on a plane and gonna go to Cologne, Germany. And then after that, my favorite little stretch of the tour, we get Stockholm, Sweden, and then it's eight days in Milan and another seven in Paris and I am excited. Okay. Well, I want to let you know, this is one of the most hysterical things that you could just be doing in life.

1:31:28Pat McAfee:And we appreciate that you're still Johnny football, baby. Enjoy your life. You've earned it. And shout the sling. Shout out the sling. Yo, also something coming out September 25th. I went on a show called Special Forces. put me through the military ringer jumping out of helicopters off a dam some crazy stuff so if uh if you guys want to see me get my ass whooped by randall cobb in a boxing match make sure you tune in okay so you just gave a spoiler there cam newton was on this i believe oh yeah remember he jumps off the thing on the helicopter yeah and the entire thing shakes that series seems insane that is great watch we thought how did you find out about how'd you end up in it and I've been watching it I've been good friends with Danny Amendola for a long time he did it the first season and then uh you know watched Cam obviously last year and then you know got the opportunity to do it to this year and I'm like you know what fuck it let me go do it try it out went to the deserts of Morocco um after the first day I was really really doubting how I was going to get through this and uh you know picked up a little steam got the hang of it and uh had a had a really good time but you know um randall cobb that guy's built like a tank i don't want to spoil the season but oh god he's a guy uh this is from i believe season this is cam newton boxing on top and they're literally yelling at them to continue to fight even after somebody gets knocked out tired it's like you go through military training it's like a boot camp slash military training type with special force folks it's the real deal these are real instructors and they're really on your ass the whole time so you know when you step into that world you're in their world it was a it was an unbelievable experience one i'm very very thankful for i'll tell you what day one i didn't know i didn't know if i made the right decision to fly to morocco but uh all right we appreciate you good luck out there man all love boys and tell Anita Max.

1:33:32Pat McAfee:I said hello, will you please? We need a Max woman for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, Johnny Manziel. Hey, Johnny! Just on tour. Yeah, that's awesome. My favorite part, we go Stockholm through Denmark. Milan. And then we're in Milan for eight days and we're going to seven days. Paris. I'm going to work for a couple days here. Yep. And then we go. Keep living, Johnny. and I guess I'm happy as hell that him and Drake have remained friends. Yeah, that's cool. And also, Drake, I don't think any of us thought there was a... I think a lot of people doubted what is next for Drake. Does Drake just kind of disappear?

1:34:15Pat McAfee:It's like, no. Just sell out arenas and stadiums around the world and just continue doing it. And also, so much of this. I see him doing a lot of this. Then I'm going to hit a huge win. I did it. Boom. Sends it out. I won. And then he's right back into it. He likes seeing big numbers come across the board. Without a doubt. And he's got a 757, 15 black SUVs just all around at all times. Moving like the president. Good for them. Enjoy it all, boys. Enjoy it all. That plane, too. I remember when that plane was made and they released like the. I think he has a newer one. Oh, really? Yeah, I think.

1:34:53Pat McAfee:He does. Yeah, I think there's a newer one. I saw that. Yeah, man. Champagne Poppy's been doing it for a long time. That's right. Yep. calls for his death were grossly exaggerated. Yes, they were. Because now he's just out there. And Johnny Manziel, I think Johnny Manziel's got a couple. Johnny's on backup vocals for every song. He's tour manager. They need to give him a towel and get him on stage for every single show. I assume he's out there. He sounded like he was his backup vocals out there. Okay, so Johnny Manziel, obviously coming into the NFL, massive amount of hype. I think Caleb Williams, whenever he came into the NFL, obviously an immense amount of chatter about this is the next one.

1:35:36Pat McAfee:This is going to be the next one. This is the great one. I actually had people in the college football world tell me, like, you think a team's going to pass on Caleb Williams? Yeah, right. This is the next one. Well, here's Ben Johnson chit-chatting about where he and Caleb Williams currently are heading into the second preseason game. You know, he and I met yesterday. I'm pleased with how he's able to spit these plays out right now. He's made significant progress in that regard. And once we get going here in a game week, we're going to condense the verbiage even more. So we've challenged him.

1:36:09It's been a lot. That was by design. And so if we struggle at all in the huddle getting the play out, then, yeah, the delays are going to pop up. And that's a little bit of part of the learning process and us growing. But by design, we've made this very challenging and hard. and we know what we need to do as a staff to alleviate some of that pressure. I think week one, we're going to be in a good spot.

1:36:34Pat McAfee:Firehose, brother. That's what we sent Adam of information. That's not only a message from us to him, but also maybe him to realize what it all takes to kind of do this. We actually did a little journalism from what I'm being told. We have found footage from practice of Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams kind of going through the play call and stuff. Let's go green, right, X. shift the Viper right. Green right X. Green right X, shift the Viper right. 382 X stick looky. Here we go guys. Green right X, shift the Viper right. 382 Y stick looky. I'm one. X stick looky. I'm one. Let's go scatter to west right tight.

1:37:14F left. 372 Y stick Z spot.

1:37:17Pat McAfee:Here we go. Scatter to west right tight. F left. 382 Y stick. Christ. Just go scatter to west right tight, F left. 372 Y stick, Z spot. Here we go. Scatter... Say it again. I'm... Scatter to west right tight, F left. 372 Y stick, Z spot. Here we go. Scatter to... West right tight. Scatter to west right tight, F left. 3 to 2. 372. 372. Y stick, Z spot. Y stick, Z spot. I don't want to break. There you go, Christ. Huh? I'm the problem. Making you nervous, aren't I? I just couldn't spit it out. That obviously was not. It wasn't. That was not Caleb and Ben. Who was it then? That was not who that was.

1:38:03Pat McAfee:I know I saw what you all saw. That was not. Are you sure? The colors look the same. But that is kind of what it felt like Ben Johnson was describing. And Caleb, with how he's played football his entire life, we've talked about this, how Ben Johnson with Jared Goff is going to expect a lot of timing. You're going to have to know exactly what's going on everywhere, and you're going to have to be able to play on time. And if you're able to extend afterwards, that's something I've never had the experience of having. That would be great news. But everything is kind of predicted off of the literal understanding of the entire offense.

1:38:37Pat McAfee:You have to know everything that's going on everywhere and what the defense is doing. And we need to play on time. That's never been how Caleb plays. You know, the Caleb shit is always the conversation. So him having to learn his third offense now in two years, Plus, it sounds like Ben Johnson's play calls are a little bit in-depth. Yes. From what it sounds. A bit wordy, it feels like. Yeah, it feels like if you're not able to get the words out there, we're going to get the lay of games. That's what he's talking about. So maybe that is why in the first preseason game, everybody said, well, Caleb's not playing because the offensive line isn't playing.

1:39:06Pat McAfee:Well, maybe neither of them played because Ben Johnson wasn't sure if Caleb was going to be able to get all of it out there. And we don't want this to be an embarrassing situation here to start this entire thing. Because Ben Johnson wants Caleb Williams to succeed. Now, he's probably being a hard-ass on him. He's probably treating him much differently than any head coach has ever treated Caleb Williams in his entire life. I assume this is very difficult for Caleb Williams. But Ben Johnson wants Caleb Williams to be very, very, very successful. I mean, there it is, an obvious thing. What are your thoughts on what's going on in Chicago with Ben Johnson and who he is as a coach, seemingly?

1:39:38Yeah, I mean, so, like, Ben Johnson, I would assume he has to love Caleb Williams. He wouldn't have taken that job. He had plenty of options to look around and take other head coaching gigs, I think. So I think he felt good with Caleb going in. But when you think about it, we're just talking about getting the play call out. We're not talking about making plays on the field. That's just, hey, I've got to relay the message from my helmet and get the whole play call out. But then you've got to think of, all right, now I've got to know every single situation, pre-snap, post-snap, I'll make all those decisions.

1:40:04But, yeah, it's definitely going to be a little bit of a learning curve. But I think Ben Johnson even said, hey, we will cut it way down when it comes to game week. And that's what every single team does. When you break it down, you put your game plan together on game week, it is much, much smaller than what you actually do in training camp.

1:40:19Pat McAfee:Why do you think he said, by design, we wanted to overwhelm him early with information? Do you think that was also a mental thing? It's like, hey, this is what this offense is going to require. Just so you know immediately, this is what it is. We've got to see what you can handle. I think, too, like, hey, we're going to throw everything at you. I want to see how you handle the chaos. Are you going to panic? What are you going to do? Ben knows, like, of course, this is my offense. I know the verbiage better than anybody. This is what I do. So I'm trying to teach it to you. it's going to take some time, but how do you handle it when I do give you a billion different things and it's like every single night you're going back to your dorm room at 10pm and you have a whole new chunk of plays the next day that you're just trying to figure out.

1:40:58It's definitely a process but that's what developing quarterbacks is. It's what you have to do.

1:41:02Pat McAfee:I don't think Ben Johnson was going to be I didn't think Ben Johnson was going to be the coach that he is that we've seen. Like hey, he's seemingly a hard-ass guy. Oh, yeah. And I think Chicago, you know, I think a lot of Bears fans would probably say probably have needed that for a while, especially a guy who has offensive prowess, seemingly. So I wonder if he has a deal with the team. Like, hey, what if it doesn't work with Caleb? You know, like Sean Batenhead with Russell there for a little bit because I don't want to look that far ahead. And we assume Caleb will be able to catch up to everything.

1:41:35Pat McAfee:And we assume he'll be able to understand it moving forward. And we assume he'll get to the point where he's comfortable, where he can dissect it and understand that maybe the one that is on the play call isn't actually the one in this particular defensive set because they're already going to take that out. So the two is actually the one before. I mean, that's like learning an offense inside and out. He's already had to be in his third. I mean, that needs to be mentioned whenever it talks about the Caleb Williams story. Hopefully this is the one that he lives in for the rest of his career. Well, and obviously, Ben, you know, his plan at least to start so far with the team building has been, you know, perfect.

1:42:09Like the entire interior offensive line for the Bears is different now with Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman at center, who is the top center basically in free agency, and then Joe Tooney. So it's not as if Caleb has any excuses. So if the thought for Ben Johnson is, you know, if he has it, great, Caleb's our guy, let's move forward. But if not, then maybe we need to go a different way. He's eliminated every other excuse. The offensive line's great. They got the running back. They have, you know, DJ Moore, Roma Dunze. They got now Colston Loveland was their first-round pick. the tight end from Michigan, still got Cole Komet.

1:42:44Like, it really is one of those Sean Payton situations where Sean Payton's first year in Denver, he brings in a bunch of guys. It doesn't work early, but then, you know, whether it worked out or not, Sean Payton knew he needed to move on if they wanted to win a Super Bowl, and then they got their guy.

1:42:58Pat McAfee:And they took the biggest cap hit in the history of the NFL at the time for it, and now everybody thinks the Broncos are back in contention. We hope that's not the case, obviously, in Chicago or anywhere else for that matter, but we'll be excited to see what a Ben Johnson Bears team looks like in five years from now, which I think Bears fans are like, five years? Another? Brother, I don't know if we can survive.

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1:44:39Pat McAfee:Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's the authority on college sports. And he also broke some news alongside the pretzel Dan Wetzel, who A.J. Hawk absolutely loves, that there will be a ruling coming from the NCAA tomorrow on some Michigan infractions. Joining us to break that down and what we should expect, ladies and gentlemen, Pete Thamel. Yeah, Pete! How you doing, Pete? good i'm sure ty is excited because this is the waning moments of connor stallions is uh relevance okay i know this is uh this is this is this is where ty uh ty has had some fun so i uh i i'm curious how he's feeling yeah certainly good time yeah it has been a blast you know uh buckeye pete here uh has certainly been in the trenches of this since the beginning and obviously this story was gigantic i i mean i i wish we could explain to people that don't remember the time what it was like for you what it was like for college sports as a whole what it was in just the sports world because okay so they were cheating they were scouting ahead they had cameras on people they're buying tickets there's an entire scheme that was taking place Jim Harbaugh was basically telling him to do it no Jim Harbaugh didn't know anything about it and they were going to win national championships so it was chaos I think throughout it all so whenever you send this tweet out we didn't know what this was about was this also about the FBI or whatever that brought in and got the computers that were in there because one of the staffers was doing something else.

1:46:02Pat McAfee:It's like, we had no idea what this tweet was about. You're saying it's Conor Stallions. What does this mean? We're going to get the final, like, kind of ruling on the entire Conor Stallions piece here as you look incredibly thin and tanned up for the season. Yeah, so this committee on infractions is going to make public. It's ruling on the Michigan advanced scouting case. And this is not the so-called hamburger case. And this is certainly not the felonious case of Matt Weiss, the former offensive coordinator, which is really, really dark stuff. This is the quintessential collegiate scandal that just, I mean, really took over the 2023 season, Pat, right?

1:46:45And as Michigan went on to win the national title and it's kind of unspooled in just this this wild way. And it became this like perfect talk show topic, quite frankly, because there was an argument on one side. You know, you should hide your signals better. It wasn't legal. Was it not legal? There was all this ambiguity surrounding it. And this will be likely, but not certainly the final chapter of the litigation of this case through the NCAA process. and uh you know we're going to find out tomorrow uh the the punishment any potential punishment for michigan which i've said on this show before is likely going to be a hefty fine uh and there's not an expectation pat that there's going to be any kind of postseason ban and there's not an expectation that any of their accomplishments are going to be taken away uh now a vast majority of the staff members who got jammed up in this are now gone in the nfl jim harbaugh prominently among them uh the the real news that's going to come out of tomorrow is going to be uh regarding the suspension of sharon moore michigan back in may i believe uh self-imposed two games for sharon uh game three and game four this season um and what we're going to find out from then say tomorrow is is that accepted or are they going to add any additional suspensions remember he obviously deleted a thread of 52 text messages in this.

1:48:11Typically, as these things go, Pat, when you self-impose, it's like buying a used car. You don't go above the blue book value when you make your first offer. You go below the blue book value. So there's an expectation that there could be a slight addition to it, potentially. Just if you look at the history of these cases, when people do self-impose, sometimes it's accepted, sometimes there's an additive, but it won't be radically different than the two that are there. And yes, now there's potential for appeals too, so I'm not going to say this thing is over forever, but this is certainly a large piece of this weird wild scandal that is coming to conclusion.

1:48:52Pat McAfee:I think we're all excited to move along. We're all excited to move along in this entire thing. But I know there's going to be some people that miss some things. Go ahead, Ty Thamel. Yeah, Pete, just curious. When you look at this situation, obviously I'm not going to ask you to bury the lead in terms of what you think those punishments might be. We'll hear about that tomorrow. But does this kind of mark the end of the kind, I would call it the Buckeye peach, greasy peach era, and does that mean that you're going to be taking your investigative pickaxe and heading for different hills where you may be mining for gold for some college football stories of collusion or scandal, et cetera, et cetera, later this year?

1:49:38Ty, I'm just happy you're not impersonating me with a Yankees hat on. I found that pretty offensive when you did that recently because I'm a Boston resident and a giant Red Sox fan. So I've never had any problems with the impression, but you crossed the line there, Ty. I took offense to it.

1:49:55Pat McAfee:You talked about Ty enjoying this entire scandal. yada yada a lot of people are attacking you pete hey way to stay in the batter's box way to stay in the batter's box all right we got some college football questions for you here as we have hard out on espn2 but we'll continue on digital at 157 go ahead tone yeah pete uh we have some quarterback competitions that are are getting some heat here later late in camp uh you know if it was like a month or two ago i would have said you know i would have bet that cj car would have been starting for notre dame and julian saying would have been uh would have been starting for Ohio State it feels like those guys haven't been announced yet is there a chance that they don't start and then also are we going to see Bryce Underwood at Michigan?

1:50:37So we'll start with Underwood because you just said him last I think that's that that's the general expectation is that we will see Bryce Underwood at Michigan game one snap one I'm not sure but I think as as the way things have unfolded there in this camp I think that the expectation he's building towards being the starter for this season. Really, for as much focus as has been on Arch Manning and how the hopes of Texas are pinned on him, I don't know if there's a quarterback in the country who has as much of the team on his back. Certainly, there's no true freshman quarterback in the country who is going to have as much on him as Bryce Underwood.

1:51:16It's going to be fascinating to watch. as for Notre Dame my understanding is that race is fairly even and it's an interesting one to see when and if they declare it because the skill sets of C.J. Carr and Kenny Minchie tone are very different Minchie does really fit more of what Mike Denbrock has done with running quarterbacks we saw what they did with Riley Leonard last year obviously you saw what he did with Jaden Daniels a couple seasons ago at LSU you can even go back to Cincinnati he was the OC when Des Ritter kind of came and rose to prominence there. He's used to having more of a dual threat guy.

1:51:53CJ Carr is more of a traditional drop back. So a decision from Notre Dame kind of comes with a philosophical decision. If it is Carr, could we see Minchie in a package that utilizes his legs? So I think that race is very close, and it wouldn't surprise me if it goes either way. In Columbus, I think we'll know in the near future which way they go. It's an interesting race. There's been a few of those at Ohio State in recent years. There's, I think, a little bit of pressure tone to kind of pick a guy because, you know, you open with Texas, right? If you remember, the last two national champions, both Michigan and Ohio State, opened with three games where they were prohibited favorites in.

1:52:35It's just a different approach to the opener when you have to go and go up against a top-five team. So it'll be interesting to see how that unfolds. unfolds. I believe there's a scrimmage there on Saturday, and those are always obviously giant pieces of empirical evidence in the quarterback balance.

1:52:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, those are giant pieces of empirical evidence, especially over there in Columbus. Week zero, Farmageddon coming right around the corner. Week one has a massive slate. Cannot wait to get out there to Columbus, Ohio, for that. Now, a man has a question for you that probably knows who the starting quarterback's going to be. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Pete, as far as rule change, I hear they're trying to cut down on people faking injuries and we can't in college brandish any kind of weapons. Have they educated the referees on what is considered a weapon? That's what I'm saying. There's a million different things you can use as a weapon.

1:53:24Can you explain? About an end and a start. I'm excited that the faking injuries is going to end because it's just annoying as a consumer and viewer who is unbiased. It's sort of tedious and obvious and against the spirit of the game.

1:53:42Pat McAfee:I'll probably I'll probably just leave the answer there, AJ. It is shite. What about the weapons thing? Brandishing weapons. Now we can't brandish a weapon. Imaginatory. We understand when the guy pulls the thing out. I almost used to shoot the guy in the back. We understand that the guns want a little too far. I'd say a little bit of a runaway. Right. Acting like you're going to blow a guy's head off. We can't have that in football. We don't want that in football. But ninja stars? I don't know. Swords need to stay. Swords. Who have their nerve swords? How do you know? Well, and then I guess you could say, well, this was a water gun.

1:54:28Pat McAfee:They're not. We don't need to get into that semantics. Maybe it is a water gun. But we will say we are on the side of we don't need obvious guns, the heads on the football. Unless Dylan Stewart stayed in over a quarterback, South Carolina's guy who just did. Right in his face. We're saying we don't need that. But we do got to be a little clear on what a weapon is, I think is what AJ said. We're going to have a lot of problems. Fire hose. Fire hose is a weapon if you ask Ben Johnson. Yeah. Especially Caleb Williams. I mean, you can do it all. We got 30 seconds until we exit ESPN2. Pete Dammel, your prediction that the biggest headline all year of this college football season, what is it going to be?

1:55:12I don't understand the question. An unranked team reaches the college football playoff final. Iowa Hawkeyes. West Virginia. Boom. I just gave a lot of hope to your whole staff. Yeah, you did.

1:55:26Pat McAfee:That is great news. We'll continue. Goodbye. Okay, so now we're digital. People are still watching. I didn't know if you couldn't hear me. Your brain was broken, but you were just trying to really think of one. You were actually trying to think of one right there. watching you create a great headline, buddy. The reaction from everybody on that headline was brilliant. That's Pete Tamo football. Exactly. That's Pete Tamo football right there. Okay, we have some other questions, obviously. Go ahead, Conman. Authority, yesterday or two days ago, John Gruden came out and basically said, like, hey, I love the SEC.

1:55:58What a dream it would be to coach, you know, in this conference and that he does want to coach again. Will there be teams, you think, that will reach out to John Gruden? Are there SEC teams now this season that are going to have any sort of kind of prove-it-year type things, a la Hugh Freeze at Auburn? Do you think John Gruden realistically will be? Sam Pittman. Yeah, Arkansas, sure. Do you think that there's a chance Gruden's going to be coaching the SEC next year? My hunch on Gruden, Connor, is that, look, there's 136 of these Division I FBS jobs, right? It's a Star Wars bar, right? You go from Miami to Seattle, from Phoenix to Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts, right in your neighborhood, Connor.

1:56:43There's a lot in between, right? Marshalls and Western Kentuckys and Arkansas States. I think John Gruden could land somewhere amid that. I would not project him to go to the SEC. I will be amused if— Why not? Why not?

1:56:58Pat McAfee:Why not? I think there's just better college coaches available than John Gruden. John Gruden's certainly an excellent football coach. Peter! But, whoa. Pete! Authority! You think that, honestly? Why do you think that? He's John Gruden! This is John Gruden we're talking about. He's coached GM. I don't believe he's ever coached in college. He has coached the NFL. Okay, so do we think Bill Belichick's going to be able to figure it out, maybe, now that it's professional football at the college level? I'm certainly not going to doubt Bill Belichick. I just think that the university hiring process for John Gruden, who's in mid-ongoing litigation, could add some complexities to that.

1:57:40Yeah, true. I understand.

1:57:42Pat McAfee:I think that was going to end with John Gruden maybe being able to take a little lower salary from these places. Don't you worry about it. I got some league money that will go ahead and do that. I'll be excited to see what that is because you get John Gruden in a room, any room, he's taking over the room. so if he gets an interview I don't think John Gruden leaves the building deciding whether or not he's taking the job I think he's the one deciding whether or not he's taking the job if he gets in a building just personally as somebody that has watched a lot of clips of John Gruden he walks into a room he's winning the whole room over especially if it's a football room like I think that is just how it's going to be that'd be fascinating to see because Bill Belichick wasn't going to college no correct and then like North Carolina's how is it going down there what have you learned we're gonna be are we gonna be there yeah i think we're yeah we're gonna be there i think they announced it pat um i don't know you your show is gonna be there i think you're gonna be there yeah i'm gonna be there yeah we're on okay yeah monday our show's on it's labor day yeah it's labor day that's right so i don't think we are on but i believe we're doing a full kickoff show for their entire yeah we are on that monday yeah yeah yeah okay yeah so north carolina has 70 new players pat so i could not like earnestly tell you what they're going to be like you i have no i have no earthly idea and and i just say that there's just so many new bodies there i would project the geo lopez from south alabama's their starting quarterback he's a little runaround guy who was who's very productive at uh at south alabama um and then it's just a bunch of portal guys like the proven skill at the acc level is uh to be proven i would say um they lost to marion hampton obviously the nfl draft they lost bo atkinson the DN who's going to play real snaps at Ohio State and then obviously they lost Amari Campbell the linebacker who projects as a giant contributor at Penn State so the two best players in North Carolina left after spring and and so again I there's there's a trust of Bill Belichick in the evaluation process roster building process coaching process I was reminded of this the other day by someone that so much of college football much like the NFL is not losing the game as opposed to winning the game and i think there's a lot of faith in bill belichick like keeping it in the margins getting it to deep water figuring out a way to win the game if you look at their schedule it's fairly manageable as things go um i believe they're a three-point underdog to tcu in the opener some of your guys would know that off the top of their heads yes yes okay sitting there now yeah and and look like it's one of the beauties of opening weekend in college football there's just so much roster change and so much overhaul.

2:00:15It's unbelievably difficult to predict that. So I have general good feeling about Bill Belichick in North Carolina, but I'd be naive to be too bullish because of just the myriad unknowns.

2:00:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, the myriad of unknowns is everywhere these days, except for seemingly down there in Texas and Ohio State. Hey, how come Ohio State's plucking everybody's good players? It's ridiculous. I shouldn't only start talking about what they're doing. They took West Virginia's running back. We'll take you. They got to North Carolina. We'll take you. I think they came willingly. They didn't have to take anybody. Bill probably told those two players, we're going to be fucking shit this year. How much are they paying you up there? Get out of here. You're not going to make that much money in the NFL either.

2:01:02Pat McAfee:You should get up there. Speaking of money, there's a big money conversation happening on the internet. Mr. Ty, Pete? Pete, do we have any kind of updates in the John Mateer situation? I don't know where you stand on this, but for me personally, it kind of just seems like a de facto witch hunt almost. You know, kid goes to a new location, and all of a sudden, they're looking through Venmo transactions from when he was in eighth grade. It seems like a bit of fucking bullshit to me. Where do we stand on this whole situation? Is there any chance that John Mateer kind of gets, I don't know, rassled up in this whole thing and he's going to face some punishment?

2:01:39Or is this thing going to kind of get brushed away because I think we all realize that there's really no way they can pin any kind of gambling accusations on him. So I checked in on this last night, Ty, and everything was fairly quiet. John Matier made his statement two days ago in the afternoon. He said the sports gambling references were, I think, quote, inside jokes amongst his friends. Of course, the homies.

2:02:06Pat McAfee:yes yes yes uh the uh the boys uh yes the boys sarcastic references between friends roommates etc so ultimately oklahoma or the ncaa if they were going to get into this would have to find something my hunch at this juncture is this kind of fizzles out and two months from now uh we're gonna be like hey remember that day when john matier did that dumb thing on venmo and we're going to kind of move on. That is where my understanding is that it's trending right now. A lot of modern gambling, like this isn't like you'll pay the bookie in the parking lot at Perkins anymore. It's pretty trackable through your phone.

2:02:43So I think they'd be able to, you know, the due diligence on this shouldn't be particularly difficult.

2:02:50Pat McAfee:And that's at this juncture, of course. Just this juncture. I don't think you'll ever catch me going past this juncture, Pat. Hey, be where your feet are. Be where your feet are. That's what it's all about. We appreciate you in this juncture and all the future ones. The Authority, Pete Thamel. Can't wait to see you on the road, brother. Yeah, look forward to seeing you at the juncture of Columbus. Boom. Well shed. Pete Thamel. Yeah, Authority! Unbelievable performance. His vocabulary. He does. He's ready to go. His head being cut off right at where... That's classic, though. That's classic Pete.

2:03:29That's Pete. Pat and I both thought you were going to say Pete, Pete, slapped.

2:03:32Pat McAfee:Yeah, for sure. And I'm happy he didn't just because, you know, he was already on edge a little bit because the Yankees had it the last time. Yeah, exactly. And roster changes almost got him, too. Yeah, I agree. That was close. Yeah, I was very close. That was an aggressive, I'd say. I agree. You could argue. An aggressive take. I love Pete. He does know everything. He does. God lives on his phone. He is a robot. AI. Yes, he is. Human form. It was before our show, I think, at JMU last year, and it was right around the time the Connor Stallion things were all heating up, and he was literally on his phone for five hours straight before just pacing back and down in the hallway and seeing him and being like, sorry, big phone call.

2:04:09I got to go. I can't talk right now. Hey, good to she.

2:04:13Pat McAfee:That's his life right there. Good to she. Good to she. I'm on the phone. The ADs. He's got his shoes untied. He has, like, nice shoes on. He's got his entire thing. And the shoes are untied because I think he is a pacer Like he's a mover So like when he's on the phone he's moving and grooving And if you accidentally Get his attention while he's on the phone I think he feels obligated to Address you But he's in the middle Great to see I can't talk I'm on the phone with multiple ADs This year Coach, this year Athletic trip They don't know that I'm speaking to both of them Outside the side of his mouth how about him muting how about it yeah yeah i don't think he's gonna like that i think he really would love no he's so good that he could tailor all of his words to both conversations just sending oh yeah yeah no matter what the other side is saying you heard what they were saying about woach whenever he retired this guy's taking a shower and he's scared that he's going to get steam on the windows because he's not going to be able to see his phone light up This is the life that he's living.

2:05:21Pat McAfee:This is what Schefter said. And Schefter's saying that because that is the life that Schefter lives. Correct. And Schefter and these insiders are very much, you know, very, very much like glued to their phone. College insider, 130 teams. Okay. NFL, 32. Okay. NBA, how many? 30, I think. Yeah, 30. 30. 32? No, 38. 32. 30 in the MLB. Yeah, there it is. Less than college football. So passing. There we go. So now we're getting passing's world as well. And I'm not saying that they don't have a lot of shit. They do. All of them got a lot of shit. That's part of the job. Shams, always on his shit. Obviously, that's how it goes.

2:06:04Pat McAfee:130 teams. Okay? Then he has to build relationships with the low-level good ones because we've got to work that up as they get going up there. So it's like signing up to be a college insider. He's also doing college basketball. Two sports. Yeah. Oh, wow. So when you talk about being committed to the game, that's Pete Dammel. Yeah. I don't fuck around with this shit, okay? It's true. It's just serious shit. God, I wish you would have punched Bruce right in the face. I love seeing him in the games. Oh, man. When Prison Pete showed up and Bruce went and grinded on him on that ball, that was one of the best things.

2:06:38He didn't grind on me. He was getting in his face. I was Slim Shady Pete.

2:06:42Pat McAfee:That was amazing. Slim Shady Pete walks in. Yeah, Pete Rabbit. Good call. Bruce just in his face. Everybody from the 3-1-3! It was a good reference. It was. Pete didn't answer what school or team Ryan Day will have him target this year when Ty asked him. That's a Michigan fan. That's a Michigan man. But he said they're going to get fined, right? They fined college teams. Who pays that? The school. Boosters that just really have billions of dollars up there in Michigan. And then, Sharon Moore, is he going to be able to pick the next two games he gets suspended? Because remember, they picked the third and the fourth game because the first two can't miss him.

2:07:23Pat McAfee:Can't do it. Sorry. Can't do it. He can miss the third and the fourth one, which I think is hilarious. Okay? I just want to let it be known. And I'm a Michigan fan. You know, I picked against him that entire year just because I thought everything was coming out, which was coming out at the time. Like, football gods aren't going to bless this team. Then they end up winning, and that actually made me say, you know what? This can't be. They're clear. This can't be as big of a deal as everybody's making it because the football gods would have punished them at some point. And then learning about hardball even more and then getting to learn that team, it was hard to pull against it.

2:07:52Pat McAfee:The whole shit is crazy. Now, granted, did something happen that they were benefiting from? Yes. Is something going to take place tomorrow that's going to piss off the Michigan fans? Definitely. Is the rest of the country going to think it's not enough? Definitely. And then we're just going to move on to the next one. Yeah, that's right. And I think this will be it. Yeah. For Tony Stallion. Yeah, I mean, really, as long as they don't vacate the national championship, I think Michigan fans will sleep soundly at night. They'll certainly throw their barbs and, you know, call Pete a piece of shit and call him a greasy son of a bitch and all that kind of stuff.

2:08:27But Pete's a tough guy.

2:08:30Pat McAfee:That's a snort into the microphone. Yeah, Pete. Yeah, barbs. It is good to have Todd Pete back. Todd Pete always gets it. It's that season. It is. It's right here on corner. There's another guy, you know, that might get back into Ty's lexicon as well. Who? Well, the other guy never leaves. Not the other guy. Not the other guy. Not that guy. I'm talking about possibly Jay Glazer, who we saw the other day. He's living his best life. He's killing it. What year of training camp tour is this for him? I forgot at the beginning. He was everywhere. 38. I'm so happy for him, man. He looks like he's genuinely happy.

2:09:03Pat McAfee:Yeah, he does. And it was a long time where I think he wasn't. Yeah. So good for him. He's living. Where'd you guys see him? Why would we bring up Jay Glazer? Somebody got sent to the group. I thought he was at Steelers or something. He was. He was at Steelers at Lions, and he flew home and had an incredible dinner from Nobu, I believe. That's what I'm talking about. Nobu. Right, AJ? Was that what it was? That's Jay Glazer football. Age? He loves the Detroit airport, too. He really put it over, as you would say. You sent it in, Age. Remember that long walk? Did he still got that long walkway with the avatar roof?

2:09:31Yeah, I believe that's the Delta terminal. Best in the nation, everyone. That's not true.

2:09:36Pat McAfee:No, actually. That's not true. No way. Detroit is a very nice airport. That's actually what people say. Yeah. What's your airport would you put up there? Pittsburgh International is obviously. Always winning awards. Pittsburgh is great. I mean, truly. And I know it gets a lot of gruff. I think the Indy Airport is awesome. It gets gruff? I think the Indy Airport. It doesn't have enough flights. Yeah, it doesn't have enough flights and stuff. And some of the places. Very convenient. I mean, I leave typically if my flight's at like 12. I mean, I'll leave my apartment at 11. and I'm on the plate. I'm good.

2:10:10This last time that I did that, boy, oh boy, I was sweating dick. Yeah. What? I think you should. What? That's rolling the dice. Yes, it is. But so far, it's coming up sevens, baby. I think you should maybe add 90 minutes.

2:10:23Pat McAfee:I think, yeah, sevens is good in a slot machine. I think you should add maybe 30 minutes or so into that. Craps first roll, 7-11 good. Okay. Any other roll, not good. Sometimes it is an hour 15. You should give it 90, I think. Just personally, I think you should think of it. I just hate sitting there. Yeah, but you are going to hate so bad missing a flight. There's two brand new restaurants. They just put in a 1933 in the A-Terminal, which, man, they needed to get rid of that. Champs for a long time. Yeah, that Champs was interesting. They make good cocktails. They need to put the Chick-fil-A in the airport, like inside it, past security.

2:10:55That's what we're telling you. You don't need to mess around at Chick-fil-A. Well, I don't mess around at Chick-fil-A because it's before security. I wish it was. I agree. Go get yourself a nice meal, good cocktail. Get some steak sliders at 1933.

2:11:08Pat McAfee:I mean, I will. I got a long flight ahead. You do. That's wild, AJ. Everything's pretty crazy. How long? How much time you got? Has anyone been there before? No. Well, it depends on what you believe. Bingo. Ladies and gentlemen, we got to talk about a couple things that happened while we were gone. The Buffalo Beals are pitching to potentially get the draft, I believe. Yes. And I would like to say, from what we have learned about the draft, traveling around with it, very lucky to cover it over the last seven, eight years as it has developed into what it is, Buffalo would be a phenomenal home for the draft.

2:11:46Pat McAfee:I mean, after what we just witnessed in Green Bay, obviously what we saw in Nashville and what's going to happen in Pittsburgh, I think what people are about to see in Pittsburgh is about to be pretty outrageous. I think just with the views, the spectacles, and the amount of football people that will kind of flock there just to celebrate football, which is basically what these drafts have become. I think Buffalo would be a great home, AJ, especially if they got this new stadium, and that other parking lot is just going to be filled up over there. Yeah, it'll be wild. And don't you think as the draft continues to get bigger and bigger and it travels around, each city wants to represent, like, hey, we are the biggest NFL fans.

2:12:20Like, you guys, last year, yeah, that was great, but yeah, we are the best. Like, I think that's what's cool about it, too. And it's going to continue to get bigger and bigger.

2:12:27Pat McAfee:See, it feels like that for game day. Oh, yeah. No doubt. That's what it feels like for game day. Whenever we'll go to a place, I always do wonder, like, how it's going to be out there. How is it going to be out there? We hope. We hope. Obviously, that is the goal. I hope, at least, that there's people out there ready to, you know, have a great time for the next few hours. And then once I started doing the show, I'm like, oh, they all feel, like, obligated to put on for their school here. Like, okay, so this is like a, this is my generation's opportunity to represent for our university. So, and I've like kind of seen that.

2:13:00Pat McAfee:I think that's one of the beautiful things about college football is like kind of representing the pageantry, the tradition and everything that you have going on. And it's like the draft becoming that would be very cool. Like, I think that would be, because even if it's just the Midwest representing at a place or like Northeast football representing, or if they do it down in Florida, it's like Florida foot. I think you can kind of create that type of feeling of this is your football community being represented, basically. Because the NFL draft is obvious. It is what it is. Yep. Okay. And there's some electrifying moments in there, of course.

2:13:33Pat McAfee:But I didn't expect the amount of people to be at Green Bay. No. I didn't. At all. At all. And they start talking to people, and it's like, it's football. Like, we're doing football right now. Like, that is how they were. That's how they were viewing it. And what a show that has become. And it's all because what happened in New York? They booked the Rockettes at the, what was the theater? Radio City Musical. Radio City Musical, obviously one of the most famous in the history of the world. The NFL draft was out there for so long, and then they were basically told, nope, can't do the draft in Radio City Musical.

2:14:04Pat McAfee:We booked the Rockettes for that date. And I assume they're like, can we potentially, we can't really move it. Radio City, this is the Rockettes. Okay. Mad respect. Don't they do like 2 ,000 shows a year? Sorry, I cut you off. Oh, they're talent. They're also synonymous with New York. They're awesome. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, good for them. That's Raj taking something that could be a negative and making it a huge positive and much better for everybody. And much better for football. I mean, these are live, live, huge events that are happening. Festivals of football. And they haven't overtly said it, but it is kind of cool how they're basically going to places that aren't ever going to get the Super Bowl because of the climate.

2:14:44Raj said that, didn't he? Didn't Raj tell us that? He didn't come out and say it. He kind of alluded to it. And we've also seen with how many people are in Green Bay, it's obviously not the same as the Super Bowl, but what it does for the local economy when it does come into town for three days, it's massive.

2:14:59Pat McAfee:Yeah, we paid, what, 10x what a normal Airbnb price was? Yeah. The parking, all that stuff. The parking. The parking. Everybody's front yard. That was cool to experience. I think the same thing will happen with Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah. And every city needs to do what Mark Murphy does. I don't know, or did, rather. I don't know what position the Steelers haven't drafted in 20 years, but when Mark Murphy, they did that Matthew Golden announcement, that was one of the most electric. There's only one position coming next year. Corbeg. What? Yeah. What? They got a bunch of first-round picks. They're going to draft a Corbeg at home.

2:15:35Yeah.

2:15:35Pat McAfee:What if Will Hire's the guy? You guys are just automatically moving on from Will Hire? No. Six-round picks. Fifth! Fifth! Fifth! I think it was sixth. Shit. I'm pretty sure he was sixth. Trying to help him out. I love Will. Yeah, me too. And he started camp great before he got his injury. And listen, he's not shy about competition. Big butt coming at the end of this. There was a big butt, but he's not shy about competition, yeah. He's put him over. And then he buried him. No, I just say he's not shy about competition. What if Aaron wants to play another year? What if he won a Super Bowl? He doesn't.

2:16:06Pat McAfee:Here he comes. He doesn't. And he's a man of words and words and spells, so he won't do that to himself. Unless he's casting them reverse spell on himself. He wouldn't do that either. Which could be the case. Like a reverse aging spell? Yeah, reverse aging. Like the Benjamin Button spell. It's like whenever you cross... Swords. Yeah, fingers. But if you do it twice... Then it's the same. Cancels out. If anyone knows you can't reverse spells, it's Aaron. Aaron knows how to reverse a spell. Yeah, but what if he's wearing this? Oh, I didn't even think about that. Then the spells don't work. Aaron gave you that, right?

2:16:38Pat McAfee:But on Amazon. But it looks like the one he was wearing. Yeah, words off evil spells. I need to order one of those. It came in a plastic bag. Just a tiny little plastic bag. I'm going to order one for the season. I don't know if it was blessed or not. It feels like it probably was. It was. I think that's just what they do. I wonder if he'd give me a vial of his blood to wear for the season. Oh, please ask him for that. And on that note, we'll get out of here on Thursday. That would be great, though, wouldn't it? If Tone did. The Little League World Series is happening right now. I'll go ahead and watch the boys play.

2:17:09Pat McAfee:There was some scrutinizing of the Midwestern representation in the Little League World Series yesterday by Ty pretty loudly, I will say. Did not like the way the Illinois team was playing. No, yeah, the Great Lakes team. And you know what? I'm not wrong. They've got to be like 16-1. You can't go to Williamsport and do that. You just can't. And I'm pretty sure Bone played in that Little League, and that really tells me all I need to know about that particular Little League. But those kids need to learn from this and get better going forward. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. And that's the opportunity they'll have.

2:17:37And you know what? It's double elimination. So you turn around, you beat some team from Connecticut or something like that in your next game, you're still dancing.

2:17:44Pat McAfee:But you're basically talking like, hey, as a team that's representing the Midwest now, we need... I can't have your starting pitcher throwing at 52 miles an hour right down the middle. So what is expected? How old are these kids? 11 to 13. Okay. All right. What is 50-something mile an hour knockout? What is the... Back when I was watching the Little League World Series, like when I was a little bit younger... Yeah, but the kids weren't the actual age, right? Yeah, they cheated a lot more. You know, you have a 17-year-old playing in there throwing 85. It was cool. He was awesome. He was. There was Kalen Pimentel, who was throwing 75.

2:18:15Yeah, but Pim was a dog. He had a full goatee at 13 on the bump. It's like, something's going on here. But then you see him throwing smoke. It's like, you know what? Let the boy play. Just let him play. Just let him play. I want to get back to those days. And the Illinois team, too, just to be fair to Bone for once, he was like the Mo Vaughn of his league, too. He wasn't just some slouch when he was playing.

2:18:36Pat McAfee:You're right. Yeah, you're right. He was the Mo Vaughn. Just the fattest baseball player. Bone is taking a lot of shots today. There's no reason for any of them. No reason for any of them. He's in decent shape. You guys act like Bone can't even walk or stand up. Yep. He's 25. He's a fully functioning human. What's that, Pat? He's 25. He is a retired athlete. We are watching retired athletes. Tired Olympic athlete, right? Or representing America. National champion. He's a D3 offensive lineman. National champion. There's a guy to wash his own pads. He's got the same amount of natties as A.J. Hawk.

2:19:13Pat McAfee:Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Same rings. More rings than I do. More rings than I have. But you know, he's a retired athlete. And I think he's just enjoying his life for a long time. He probably had a lot of this. He's enjoying his life. And the boys, who aren't mannequins, bodies. No. Not even close. Or just trying to let him know, like, something to think about here, at least as we're moving forward, you know. In D-Bone, I think he is a big independent. We know you. I think he's a— We know that. He's a little stubborn, but boy, he is talented. He is. I'm just worried because he cut out pop, and then we announced to Dr.

2:19:53Pepper as the— And, you know, I haven't seen his eyes light up like that since I've known him.

2:19:58Pat McAfee:He did go to the gas station 1030 at night, send a photo to the group, text, getting a four liter of Dr. Pepper. What was that? Specifically made for him. Derek's bottle right on the top. And he had retired from pop just a couple days before this. Yeah, the day of, actually, his fiancee bought him McDonald's, which he was steadfast saying, I didn't ask for it. I didn't ask for it. More nuggets, no. It showed up along with four large Dr. Peppers. So he says, well, she was excited about the Dr. Pepper deal. and I was like, Bone, I'm on you. I know that's your regular order. I know you're drinking.

2:20:35That's what he actually showed up at the drive-thru

2:20:37Pat McAfee:and they used to say, we got it. We got you, Bone. Oh, dear. Over break, we found out that he goes to McDonald's every day with six 80-year-olds and has conversations and as many Big Macs as they can eat. Like the morning coffee guy? Yeah, exactly. Bone was with them? Yeah. And also... He goes inside and eats with these guys? Yes. Oh, yeah. I actually found it kind of nice. I actually brought his mouth. He's got a community. Yeah. He's got a community. None of them are fat. if they're 80 years old. Remember that. Let's all remember that. Alright. Let's get the hell out of here. We'll be back tomorrow for Feel Good Friday.

2:21:07Pat McAfee:First one in a while. I know. Let's go. Oh, the vibes tomorrow. Oh, so feel good. I've been saving something all week for tomorrow. I've been waiting all week for Feel Good Friday. Age? How about you? What could it be? It's not anything for the show. It's actually strictly for the guys and what I worked on over making. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. Really? Yeah. I've been in the lab a little bit. Oh, no. No big deal. I got to see this. Yeah, I'm pretty pumped up. I mean, I can share it in my iPad. Just tell him. Is it utilizing a friend of ours? No, it's not. No, no, no. I'm not even thinking about bringing that up yet.

2:21:48But the thing that I worked on. I'm telling you, AJ, we got it. Yeah, yeah. That might be a 2026 thing. We got it.

2:21:57Pat McAfee:We have figured it out. Nobody even knows. I don't think anybody in our world has any idea what is on the horizon. I'm not even telling anybody out of here. I've been trying to keep this one tight other than almost saying it right to DeChambeau's face whenever he was like, AI is the big deal. It's like, you don't fucking know. You don't know. You don't know. Google doing it. I'm in there coding this damn thing. Basically, we know the AI. Yeah. Slow it down. Slow it down. Slow it down. Wait, is Sweet Blake involved? Just shut up. I think Sweet Blake probably laid the foundation to get to where we are right now in this AI world.

2:22:35Pat McAfee:But we're leaning in. We've leaned in a little bit. Oh, I ain't leaning anymore. I've jumped in. I've spent numerous nights out, basically all night, just trying to learn as much as possible. I'm not going to say it. It's too much. It's a good thing, though. It's positive. New Frontier, brother. It's a great thing, yeah. For some. Whoa, Ty. It's a new frontier. I'm sports stooge in this entire thing. But every once in a while, throw some vitamins in the air maybe, and we get locked in on something, and we see massive opportunity. It's like, hold the fuck on. What is possible here? Ba-da-ba-ba-ba.

2:23:19Pat McAfee:You should probably learn that one. Yeah, I think I'll dive head in. I think I'll dive head in. What is all possible in there? I'll fucking, okay. I guess I will spend some brain power on this thing and it has been a delightful treat the future is bright folks we gotta stop shout out to Dr. Pepper shout out to Dr. Pepper Dr. Pepper be a friend tell a friend something nice it might change your life we're interested in together AJ we want good vibes out of you tomorrow feel good Friday for sure always you know that can you talk to the general between now and tomorrow's show and get like a real convo out of him about him doing those 20 half gassers?

2:24:05Pat McAfee:He did it. Yeah, I watched. I call into his radio show every Friday morning. I'll talk to him. Boom. We just need a little bit more intel on, you know, do we have that video? I could donate more. I could donate more. Finish the last one early. Finish the last one early. Impressive. Oh, yeah. It's unbelievable to watch. And then he took me right back to when we were doing sprints at West Virginia when he was doing it. Even Schlegel's count. even Carpenter after the first one bitching about how loud Schlegel was with his, I need you to be louder with those times. Because you're trying to get it in 17 seconds.

2:24:36Pat McAfee:So there's a time in everybody's mind when they got to get to the other side, how much time they need to get 53 and a third. That's how wide a field is. So you're always trying to calculate how much time do I need to get to 53 and a third to get through there under 17. So he didn't think he could hear Schlegel's count, so he was off. Because the first couple, I'm not going to say it. but I don't think he would. Everybody's running another sprint. Close. So when I saw the first one, I'm like. I think he was 18. I think big speed was 18 seconds, though. Yeah, but he tweeted 17. Oh, he did? Okay.

2:25:08Yeah. He tweets. He's got to do it again tomorrow then.

2:25:11Pat McAfee:Boom. There was a couple at the beginning where he couldn't hear the count where I think he got in like 17. Then he crossed. It was like, all I heard was Barr was, is that right? And then fucking full stop. Everybody, you got another one in there. And there's just humans walking around the field just like ladies. I don't think they had any idea what was happening behind them. I want to say it was practicing a couple fields down. The Bucs were out there practicing. Just trying to accomplish a feat that I didn't think a body this old could do or want to do. And I like that Schlegs was saying, hit, every single time.

2:25:46Pat McAfee:It did take us back in time. Turn the volume up. 16. 17. Yeah.

2:26:01Pat McAfee:That is exactly what happens. I couldn't hear it. I need to know what the number is. Did 20 of them. Now, fast forward all the way to the 20th one, if you could. Does it like in 14 and a half? Yeah. Yeah. His last one was very. He knew it was the last one, so he gave it all. Gave it all. Well, that's all you're trying to do in these things. You were trying to get in at 16.9, and then you're trying to exert all your energy into the last, yeah, 14, 15. Yeah, he's at 15 and a half there for the last one. That's 20 half-gasters in. 106 and two-thirds yards. That's great. Unbelievable. 30 seconds wait.

2:26:39Pat McAfee:That is not a lot of time. No, not at all. At 15, he was – and Schlage comes over, and Bobby Carpenter says to the strength coach, he goes, fourth quarter, coach. And Slanks immediately goes, fourth quarter, Bob. You know, the whole thing. It was. Congrats to him. Another year saying he can do it. Now, training for next year starts right now, I would assume. I'm worried at some point in his life, he's probably not going to make it, right? He's not going to get all 20. Bro, both those hamstrings. He's going to blow his head off. Like, if he doesn't make it, he's going to blow his head off right there.

2:27:13His Achilles. He's going to tear it, Achilles. That's why if I bring it up to him, he'll be like, no, wait, dude. I'm always going to make it until I'm dead.

2:27:20Pat McAfee:Dude, I thought he was going to blow both of his hands. Because the way he runs, interesting. He prances. Bobby's a prance. He can stride and prance all day long. He really can, but it's a lot of movement. And I'm like, as you get tired, how much do these hamstrings have? I know Bobby, his heart and soul is going to go until he dies. Yes. But I'm thinking like the hamstrings may be going to at some point. Not at all. Look at him stride. It's full leg extension. At what year? 41? 42? 42. too. Unbelievable. You should do it with him next time, AJ. Maybe you're the one counting so he can hear it.

2:27:57Bobby had strictly upper body surgeries in his career. He didn't have many lower body. He snapped his leg in half in high school like his junior year.

2:28:05Pat McAfee:So he didn't have many lower leg injuries except for he snapped the thing in half. I guess he hasn't had knee surgeries. Just no knee surgery. Yeah, because he does look like those knees are nice. That's unbelievable stuff. Good for him. Shout out to Affinity. Yeah, true. So I do Affinity Health for forever. Honestly, shout out. Honestly. Can you imagine running 20 half casters? No way. No way. All right, let's get the hell out of here. Happy birthday, Bob. Happy birthday, Bobo. General. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me.

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