PMS 2.0 1415 - Watt Wednesday, In The Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Ole Miss Head Coach Lane Kiffin, Cam Bynum, & AJ Hawk

16:06Pat McAfee:They have a good time. But they're ready for Penn State. I mean, this team has looked good. and a quarterback can spin it. More can spin it. And they haven't really had to do much either. I mean, Oregon State, obviously a game, but they have really steamrolled some people. Nobody has done as good as Indiana has done. True. Now, that is just a matter of fact, and they got Iowa this weekend. Good luck, Ty. We recorded another college football convo with Stanford Steve this morning, and I'll tell you what, I enjoyed it immensely, and college football is cooking, especially heading into a weekend where that team is going to get a chance to prove yet again that they're for real, even though nobody outside of the state maybe believes in them.

16:43Pat McAfee:Kurt Cignetti has reloaded an entire new team, basically, at some spots at Indiana, quarterback being one of them. Last year, have an incredible run. Oh, we'll do it again. We bring in Fernando Mendoza, the quarterback from Cal last year, if you all recall us going to Berkeley, when Daniel made that kick in those vans and a magical morning was had while Marshawn Lynch showed up and maybe brought some great vitamins alongside of him as well. Fernando Mendoza comes over to Bloomington, Indiana this offseason. Kurt Signetti's able to find some money somehow. You guys remember the basketball team?

17:10Pat McAfee:Yeah. He's got a new coach. And Sig said, I'm starting to feel a little bit because we're trying to be good at basketball again, but we'll make do. They got the Heisen favorite now, which leads to John Mateer injured, out for some time, thumb injury. John Mateer of Oklahoma, the story of college football in my eyes. Song of Politelli's going to have to get back on that horse. Yeah, exactly. That was a tough night. That was a tough game for those Cowboys out there. Song Pelotelli's going to have to look. He's going to go. Yeah, it'll certainly go. John Mateer, though, I was thinking that they were the best team in the country because of him and because of Arbuckle, the offense coordinator.

17:47Pat McAfee:He and Arbuckle obviously transfer in from Washington State. And I say transfer. That was an offense coordinator hired and then quarterback hired as well to come together. This has happened on plenty of occasions. It's been very successful a lot of the times. And it was in Oklahoma. Venables' defense was great. He was great, and he's out now. They have a few weeks, I guess, before they've got to really play Texas, I think. So maybe they'll be able to recover. But this changes the entire fabric of college football, I think, Tone. And obviously, Godspeed to Mateer as he recovers from the surgery.

18:20JJ Watt:Yeah, it's huge because he was the Heisman favorite. He was playing incredible. Obviously, the Oklahoma defense, I said nine sacks the other day. It was actually ten sacks. They're playing unbelievable. So hopefully, you know, with that defense, with Hawkins Jr., who got some playing time last year after Jackson Arnold got benched, he's got a little bit of experience in that new offense, should be good. But it is – you never want to say it's a good time to get hurt, but they do have a bye, they have Kent State, and then it's Texas. So I know there were some reports yesterday that they're hoping they'll be back for Texas.

18:52JJ Watt:If he's not the game after that, hopefully. They said hopefully by the end of October he will be back. But it's huge because, like, it kind of kills all the momentum. this offense and this team has had. And they would only get more momentum, you know, against – you know, in a bye week to get better. And then playing against Kent State, which is always a fun game for the Stars in that one, before the Red River rivalry.

19:10Pat McAfee:Yeah, you want to have good of a – golden flashes going through it. But they'll be back. Julian Edelman, congrats on the Patriot Hall. There we go. That's right. Happy for him. And bum for John Mateer and for college football. But obviously, Godspeed on the recovery. College football has been delivering. The NFL also showing up in a big way. The ratings route for college football, big numbers, 6.5, 7 million on games, the biggest games. The NFL is still pulling 20. 4X that. 20, yeah, 21, 22 plus. So for college football, we are still just at the very beginning of this entire thing for where we can head.

19:44Pat McAfee:Same great game, even better environments, college football is what people should be telling NFL fans. Hey, we got it. And if you don't have a college team, it's okay. Pick one up. And when you pick one up, go experience it. And when you go experience it, it'll be like, this is the place for me. It's literally football heaven at all these places. They love ball. They celebrate ball. It's tradition to love ball. And the new AP top 25 has Penn State sitting at three, Miami Hurricanes at two, and the Ohio State Buckeyes who have to travel out to Washington at number one. LSU, obviously, at four is a big deal.

20:20Pat McAfee:Georgia, Kirby and the boys finally get a little bit of respect. Top five, Oregon. Oklahoma at seven. and John Mateer out. How does that trend? And then at eight, Florida State. And there's a game against Miami. Right around the corner. Elko's Texas A &M team. We like them. We have liked them, Tone. Another year with Elko, we assumed they were going to be successful, right?

20:40JJ Watt:Yeah, they could run the ball. They have a great O-line. Obviously, the second year for Marcel Reed in that offense. And then second year for Elko as a whole, you know, his defense is going to get better every single year. We do like A &M.

20:51Pat McAfee:Texas, Indiana, Texas Tech. Hey, mad respect, mad respect, mad respect. Look out. I appreciated the Texas Tech people coming after us. I did. I like that. Because Texas Tech's been waiting a long time to say, hey, show us our respect. Yeah, we're back. And they are, by the way. They really are. Ole Miss, obviously electrifying. We'll be talking to Lane Kiffin today at about 2.05 on the many lives of Lane Kiffin, an E60 documentary that will be debuting this evening. We saw the teaser. It's like a minute 49 teaser we watch, or a minute 39 teaser. This is going to be electric. Yeah. This is going to be good for ball, I think, watching this entire thing, about how Lane Kiffin basically has told the stories of his life.

21:26Pat McAfee:Right there, he was actually saying, I saw a tweet where people were saying, man, I'd like to hear what actually happened there from his side. And McGee goes, no shit, that's what we're doing. And that is what they do. All the stories, all the way from Tennessee to USC, obviously to the Raiders. Now at Ole Miss, through the times with Alabama. Like he kind of goes through it all. I think it's going to be a good football history lesson for all of us. And also maybe we'll learn about this guy that you certainly have heard of, no matter where you are in the United States of America and what your thoughts might be on.

21:51Pat McAfee:He's been in the limelight a long time. His dad, obviously legendary coach Monty. He was labeled a guru, a genius at a very young age. Got a lot of opportunities. Those things all exploded. How did he learn through them all while remaining a good coach and still staying focused on task at hand? The many lives of Lane Kiffin. That's what we'll talk to him about. That Ole Miss team is very good, though. I think I saw another stat. What was it, like 20 % or 12 % of their plays are explosive? Hembo sent a bunch of stats over. I mean, Hembo sent over a bunch of these stats here. Something about Ole Miss is like 20 % something.

22:26Pat McAfee:Their plays are all explosive. All of their plays are explosives. Everything is like 25-plus yard completions. Everything. They go deep, deep, deep. And then they got a quarterback now that can run his ass off too right there. What's his name again? Trinidad Chambliss. Great name. Yeah. Also national champion, I believe, right? D2 Ferris State last year, yeah. Okay, he's a beast. So we'll be excited to see all of these teams play. Go ahead. No other team in America has more explosive plays through the air than Ole Miss. They have 25 for 20-plus yards. A third of their completions is an explosive play.

22:59There it is.

23:00Pat McAfee:33 % of their completions are explosive plays. They are exciting. And once again, that goes back to Lane Kiffin and his offense. And also, here's him throwing an oop in Memphis after a turnover. Go ahead and get that. Yeah. All right. That's Lane Kiffin. The many lives of them tonight. We'll talk to him at 2.05. The NFL delivering in a huge way. And we haven't had a chance to really hear from the Barbarian. We haven't really had an opportunity to hear from the trenches. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Super Bowl champion A.Q. Shipley's takeaway. Let's go. From week three of the NFL season, what do we got, A.Q.?

23:32Detroit goes big to bully Baltimore. We go down to Baltimore first. And let me tell you, the boys in Detroit ran something I haven't seen in a very long time. Maybe since the 1930s. And when we look at this, we catch it a little late right here, but you see the two tight ends motion out to the left. They start with three guys in the eye behind Jared Goff. They motion out two tight ends. We're just going to run a simple zone play. This was the flavor of the week. They ran this formation about 30 times in this game, and they gave some different wrinkles. Right here, you see two backs in the backfield.

24:05We sent Gibbs as eye candy. We sent Brock Wright to the right. We run downhill. Let's get back in that super eye formation. We're going to motion two tight ends over to the right. Guess what we're going to do? Watch how pretty this is. Watch how clean this is. We're going to run duo to the right. Double team. Double team. Look at that. Can you run behind that? How big is that hole? Yeah, I think I can run behind that. I think so. Now, backed up in our own end zone. Look at what we got again. Super high formation. Two tight ends on the back end. Kind of looks like a... What's that? Like a human centipede?

24:36Whoa. I was going to say a train. Yeah. Like a dance train. Like a conga line. Yeah, like a con... I was thinking human centipede. Yeah, I can see that because where the helmets are. And once Goff leans down and takes a snap, it's like Laporte is just in his butt.

24:51Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's what you were thinking. I can see how you would think that. Other people maybe think, you know, a line. I get that. I get that. Movies, man. Five straight. Yeah, I got you. GIFs, memes. Exactly. You see them, you know. People's decisions. Yeah. All of it. There's reasons for those to show up. Names. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, though, AQ. Yeah, this is the only way you can beat Baltimore. We saw Kansas City do it in the playoffs a couple years ago. and then right here. You got to go in. When they try and be the bullies, you bully the bully. Let's do it again. Big formation, downhill duo.

25:20Let's get people on people, hat on a hat, and just beat the shit out of people. How about the Baltimore Ravens?

25:25Pat McAfee:This is your takeaway yesterday. Yep. You said, man, just Detroit going in there and punching the Baltimore Ravens in the mouth in their house is a wild takeaway. Coach B.A. said the same exact thing.

25:35AQ Shipley:Yeah.

25:35Pat McAfee:It is crazy.

25:36AQ Shipley:Two 90-plus yard drives. Yeah, absolutely. Because it's one thing to go into somebody's house and beat them. Like, they've been beat at home, obviously, in big games. But to just get absolutely bullied, like two 95-plus yard touchdown drives where they're just running, running, running, running the ball down your throat, that's tough to do against any team, especially a team known for their physicality. Well, what about the other side, A.Q.? How did the Lions get seven sacks on Lamar Jackson? Obviously Hutch, but were you able to see what they were doing on that side? Just because, I mean, it was basically something we've never seen from Lamar before.

26:10You never see him get sacked that many times. I thought Shepard did a great job. They played spy most of the game on Lamar Jackson. And when you do that, you take away a little bit of his run. Because when he doesn't have something right away, he wants to run. Well, he doesn't have that because there's a spy sitting there. And then it ended up being late and you end up getting these sacks. But then they dropped seven in coverage most of the night. So you go seven in coverage to cover three receivers or four receivers. There's nothing there. And then you go to try and run and you don't have it because you got that spy sitting there.

26:36Pat McAfee:Lamar was awesome. Some of those throws I saw. Yeah. I mean, he is spectacular to watch. Is Baltimore going to fix it on the defensive side? It's more a question for D-butt over there, but I think they will. If they hand the call sheet over. No, no, don't be doing that. No, don't be doing that. Chuck, we need you, Chuck. I got bets on the Ravens to win a Super Bowl, Chuck. Let's go to the next one. We teased this one earlier because this is a big deal. Dog pound, big D dominance. Yeah. Yeah, big dog, pine, big D, thorn. Okay. These guys are flying off the tape. When you look at this, let's take a look at the top five pick.

27:18Mason Graham lined up to the left. You'll see him circled. Malik Collins has been playing forever. Sets the pick. And they just meet at the quarterback in less than two seconds. That's right. Now let's take a look at Miles Garrett over here on the right. You'll see a circle coming. Tucker Craft come in motion. He's going to try and kick him out. Subtle move. Avoid. Get back underneath. Make the play. That's incredible. Hit him with a little stanky. He did. Jordan, run. Dead leg there. I mean, it's incredible. How good is that?

27:42AQ Shipley:He's a good player.

27:44Pat McAfee:He's powerful. He's agile. He's great. He's dominant. He's confident. This guy's unbelievable. He is unbelievable. That's why Haslam said, what is he want? $40 million? Done. All right. Fuck it.

27:56AQ Shipley:Don't even need to meet with him.

27:57Pat McAfee:Don't meet with me. Say no more, my friend. Just tell us a number in that entire thing. Go ahead, AQ. Yeah, let's take a look at this next play. Aiden Huntington. Not Aiden Hutchinson. Aiden Huntington. Rookie, 6 '1". 280 pounds out of two lane. Just beat Aaron Banks, their big free agent signing. Jumps around. Looks like a little shades of Aaron Donald. Whoa! Aaron Donald! Aaron Donald! I don't want to oversell this because he's the greatest player that's ever played on the defensive side of the ball. But 6 '1", 280, same type of move, same type of quickness. I mean, he's jumping off the tape.

28:32He's got hands like Robert Mathis, too, coming off of there. Ooh!

28:37Pat McAfee:How good is that? Hey, give me that quick at that side. That's some big statements. Hey, Aaron Donald, you said. Are the Browns just going to have the greatest defensive line in the history of football and win 12 games a year now? Yes. Let me give you a couple stats here, right? Okay. Week one, seven yards of offense for the Cincinnati Bengals against this Cleveland Browns defense in the second half. Oh, yeah. Let's go to week two. Baltimore Ravens. What do they like to do? They like to pound the rock. They like to run it, right? 13 yards rushing and 23 yards rushing for Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry.

29:05Shutting it down. Lamar throwing. Let's go against this week. What have we said about the Green Bay Packers? Arguably one of the best teams, if not the best team, through the first couple weeks. Shot them down. Beat them up. Met at the quarterback all game long.

29:17Pat McAfee:All the stats about the Cleveland Browns defense right now are, yep, yep, yep, they're the best, they're the best, they're the best, they're the best, they're the best. That was not the conversation going into the season, was it? No, definitely not. Who's my quarterback? You guys got a camp picker. Everybody's going to wear gloves. He's going to wear gloves and a dog pound. Is that what's going to happen? That was a conversation that happened. Shador Sanders, fifth-round pick. Let's give this guy more opportunity. Why don't we let him play? That was the conversation that happened. Dylan Gabriel, he was drafted for the third round, but come on.

29:40Pat McAfee:He's a dark quarterback. Well, he can spin it a little bit, but is he going to be able to? Only Drew Brees and Kyler have been able to do that. Is he? And then Joe Flacco, he's just there for what? To hang out? What is Joe Flacco? Those are all conversations that happened in the offseason. Not one conversation was had. And we're part of the problem. Jim Schwartz was the defense coordinator of that Cleveland Browns team. Then he spent$40 million on Myles Garrett. Obviously, they're very committed to defense, at least to one particular player. And last year or two years ago, their defense at home was like the greatest in history.

30:09Pat McAfee:I think of Jim Schwartz, I automatically think of good defense. And I guess with all the weapons that they have, this is sustainable too, right, for them? Oh, yeah. And they got a rookie second rounder out of UCLA playing linebacker, Carson Swessinger. Oh, yeah. Love them. Love them. I mean, they have talent everywhere. And they've picked up some pieces, some veteran pieces, like a Malik Collins, who has been around forever but always been a good player, not a great player, and he is shining in this defense. D-Bot, what do you like about Jim Schwartz's D? What do you like about the Cleveland Bears?

30:34AQ Shipley:Always fly around, always going to be on the same page. When you have a guy like Miles Garrett who's on an all-time pace, I believe he's only behind like Reggie White when it comes to like where he is age and sacks. Like when you have a player like that, that changes the math every Sunday. You got other guys, young guys that just fly around and on the same page. Not to mention Denzel Ward, who's one of the best cornerbacks in the league as well. Greg Newsom. I like everything they have, but you know the Swartz defense, they're going to fly around. They're going to be on the same page, especially at home.

31:01Pat McAfee:They're a damn good football team. They are a damn good football team. They've got to figure out their offense.

31:04JJ Watt:Well, I actually texted in this morning. I said, you know what, going back and watching that second half, I think Joe Flacco started to figure it out. I really do. I mean, hey, he didn't play great all game. He didn't play great for 59 minutes and 42 seconds. But when it mattered, Joe gets them right to the line. Boom. Completes the slant. Gets the boys on a ball. Spikes it. Field goal team comes out. 55-yard. Yeah, we win a game. What does Joe Kuhl do?

31:35Pat McAfee:He wins football games. And what do you do as a Packers fan? Yeah, I mean... You watch it and say, I hope this Cleveland team's really good. Boy, we looked very bad. That's what their defense does, though. It's the big dogs in Cleveland. Big days, dominance. And it makes sense. It does make sense. What's the third takeaway, Akiush? Big bucking backup. We like this one. Yeah, yeah. Nailed that one. Absolutely nailed that one. I like what you're doing. Alright, so let's take a look at this group, right? Let's start before we let this play run. You got Graham Barton, their first round pick from a year ago.

32:07Played left tackle at Duke. Should be their starting center. Because of all the injuries, Tristan Wurfs is out. Let's move our starting center out to left tackle. Ben Bredesen, starting guard. Let's move him into center. They're down to their third guard, Klein, who they drafted a year ago. Started with Michael Jordan. Went to the next guy. They're both out. Let's go to the right side and right tackle. They got Charlie Heck playing right tackle. who's been practice squad the last couple years. It's backups across the board and people playing different positions. Let's watch Graham Barton right here.

32:37Let this thing run. Gotta get off. Watch this. They run a counter. Get Barton around. Boom! Bury him down. He's bucking. That is a big bucking burial right there. How good is that? First play of the second half. Let's watch the offensive line. Just wash everybody down. Put the foot in the ground. Get backside. 16-yard run. How do you set the tone in the second half? You run the ball and you beat him up up front. He's a big balker. Yeah, he is. That was a good one. Let's take a look at this last one. Look at the protection by this O-line. Look at the protection. Look at the protection. Nowhere near Baker.

33:08Trust him. Look at that ball to Ibuka down the sidelines.

33:11Pat McAfee:Ibuka said that Ibuka disrespected that ball because he went one-handed with it when it was a good enough ball to catch it with two hands. Then he called him a rookie. Now we're hearing that they don't treat him like a rookie down there from Levante David. Ibuka has surprised everybody with how mature he is and how awesome he is. He's become a very quick weapon for that Buccaneer team. But you're saying they're nowhere near healthy in the most important part, which is the offensive line, and they're still undefeated. How are they getting it done? Just strictly by good play, by the center playing left tackle, or whenever they get their guys back, are they going to take it to a whole other level?

33:42Yeah, when they get their guys back, they are going to take it to a whole other level. But the interesting thing, when you watch them on tape, Kevin Carberry is their offensive line coach. That's who Liam Cohen brought there. That's who Liam wanted to take to Jacksonville. They didn't let him out of the building because he's that good. They are well coached across the board. When you look at their double teams, they're hip-to-hip. Nobody's getting split. So it doesn't matter who they're putting in there. They're showing up.

34:03Pat McAfee:That's awesome. Congrats to the Bucs making the big Bucs back. Hell yeah. That's really good news. Thank you, AQs, for your takeaways. Feels like I learned a little bit more. And it feels like I learned a little bit more about ball. Can't wait to see your in the trenches. You know, top five performing offensive lines from week three. I'm hoping there's a team in there. Okay? Deserves a little bit more respect. And hopefully that'll happen. Huh? I hope so, too. Don't you think? Yeah, spot that down. Vocal leader on the offensive line at guard. That never happens. Feels like offensive linemen should be happy about that.

34:36AQ Shipley:Agreed. Like, promote that.

34:39Pat McAfee:Maybe not be a hater of that. Do you think that happens anywhere? They were on in week one. They weren't in week two. It's only week three. And if they're in it two out of three weeks, that's pretty good. We'll see. Wait, they were on in week one? Oh, yeah. Yeah, five. Oh, shit. Yeah, they were on. He wanted to drop them out. Yes, he's trying. Remember, we put a losing team up there at 1. Oh, yeah. That's why we were the wash. Remember, we started the entire thing. Yeah, so it's tough. Let's just make sure we're continuing to be fair and square on these. Always fair. Let's make sure we're only going with what the eyes are saying.

35:07Pat McAfee:Let's not be, you know, getting texts from coaches. Yeah, exactly. Hey, we were number two this week. That was so cool. Good breakdown. Don't be getting swayed from that. The eye in the sky never lies, and my eyes on that tape never lie. Okay, well, I hope that's the case. I do. You know who lied a little bit? Who? Who's that? A little bit. Who? I guess misled, but it was a great headline. Adam Schefter put out a tweet. That said, Micah Parsons said, it's going to be painful to tackle Dak Prescott. Describing tackling Dak Prescott, it's going to be painful. People read that and go, Micah's out for blood.

35:47Pat McAfee:Micah's going to kill him. Micah's looking to attack. And certainly, Micah Parsons on sacking Dak Prescott, it's going to be painful. Period. Period. No context. There might be people that are very good people that might have thought one particular way, but a lot of people thought and read that and said, Mike's about to break that half. He's going to inflict maximum pain. Oh my god, painful. The maximum amount. We want that thing filled to the brim of pain. Now, that's how some people think. I don't think that's how Schefter took it whenever he posted it, but some people took it that way. Rob Marty, the Associated the press provided video of the full context of the conversation listen to mike actually talk about dak i think it's a pretty good little clip and what if you get that opportunity i know you will want to with dak what would that feel like uh you know it's gonna be it's gonna be painful

36:36AQ Shipley:you know i mean that's my guy uh you know he was always like a good mentor for me um but you know it is he always told him if i ever faced him that you know it'll be a it'll be a great matchup so i'm excited to see what sunday uh brings itself it's gonna be painful for himself

36:52Pat McAfee:because he's going to hurt his guy, Dak. Man, I didn't read it that way at all. I was like, Micah wants to hurt this guy. Then I thought back to what was being said about Dak during training camp. Remember, a little mic'd up? Oh, yeah. On the sideline, a little catch. I'm like, man, what the fuck is going on now? It's the complete opposite. Micah's like, Dak's my guy. Dak, also leader of that team. I think Mike McCarthy said Dak is for sure alpha in there. I like to hear that from Micah. I like the full context of that.

37:16AQ Shipley:Yeah, and I know you said Shefty might have misled a little bit. I think Micah's lying. What? I think he's lying. I think he can't wait to sack Dak Prescott because – You're saying he was saying it's painful for him,

37:27Pat McAfee:but he let it off to be painful for him.

37:29AQ Shipley:I think he's lying because I played with a great all-time pass rusher who should be in the Hall of Fame, Robert Mathis. And when 18 came back into the house that he built, got a stadium outside of Lucasville, he couldn't wait to hit 18. And he did. Strip sack. In the end zone. Fumble. Yeah, he can't wait. So I think Mike is bullshitting.

37:47Pat McAfee:I respect it. Hey, I like the fact that he paid respect to Dak, former teammate. You know, that's good for culture stuff. For how I'll view Dak as a leader, I think that's good going forward. But to Robert Mathis' point, that this with Peyton like this is photo. Yeah. How many do you have? It's all time. Fourth or fifth or whatever the amount of sacks that Robert Mathis has. It's so much. And obviously everybody talks about Dwight Freeney. Robert Mathis is on the other side. Just full chaos. Most of the fumbles. Strip sack. Yeah, it's his stat. They didn't have it for a long time. He was the guy that did it.

38:21Pat McAfee:He started off on the kickoff team. He started off on the kickoff. He was covering kicks, and then he turned himself into the guy that he is off the edge. And to your point, Hall of Fame conversation should certainly take place. But him hitting Peyton was certainly the one.

38:33AQ Shipley:Oh, yeah. Because we're teammates for 14 years, however many years. And every time in practice, you know, quarterbacks, you know, pat the ball, hit you. Then you're a D-lineman. You beat your guy. Can't get near the quarterback. Now, finally, Sunday, you can act. No red jersey on. Yeah.

38:47Pat McAfee:Where were they? Where was that ball snapped at? It was backed up. Really? It was good coverage in the back end. Yeah, it was good coverage on the back end. Obviously, Peyton's getting a little testy. You know, that's good stuff. That's good.

39:00AQ Shipley:Run that back one more time. It started on the four, I think. I just want to watch Wes in the slot. I couldn't get open.

39:05Pat McAfee:Really? I was looking for him all night. What color are the gloves? He was going to them. He was. He was trying to. It's teamwork, baby. Yeah, it definitely is. That's awesome. Yeah, I'll be excited to see that game. How do you feel about it all? How do you feel about the entire context of the conversation of that particular game?

39:25JJ Watt:I mean, I don't mind. I think it's weird that they're trying to make a big deal that there's not going to be like a big video package for Micah coming back. Like, it seemed like that's kind of what, and I get it. Like, typically that probably would happen, but he never won anything.

39:38Pat McAfee:Now, Emmitt Smith is a little bit different. Yeah, I mean, Jerry. He came back. That's literally what Jerry said. Yeah, exactly.

39:42JJ Watt:Jerry saying that kind of obviously amplifies everything, and it's like, okay, well, Jerry, come on. Obviously, people are going to be pissed about that, but he never won anything. I mean, I think it is going to be cool just to kind of see because leading up to it, all that we're going to have to talk about it, just with Micah going back there, but then there's going to be the immediate aftermath, too, of if he has two sacks against the Cowboys and the Packers throttle him, like that following Monday, I'll be very excited to see that, but it'll be interesting. And their left guard rookie first-round pick, Tyler Booker, is out for the next four weeks.

40:17Pat McAfee:A lot of bad news coming on down here. Jerry's quote there that we popped up from Mature was fantastic. I don't think that's appropriate this way. Emmett, it was a different story. That's not to diminish Micah. I think Micah's got enough welcome out there. We just need to show we've got anecdotes for that. So they'll put a picture up of him. Yeah. Congratulations.

40:39JJ Watt:It might even say, like, thank you, Michael. Michael? Yeah, it might.

40:44Pat McAfee:I wouldn't put it past Gary. He called up Michael 14 times. He did. He did. He hates his guts. There's no two ways about it. They had a bad ending. Yeah, I did. They certainly had a bad ending there. Good beginning. We'll talk about Danny Dimes here in Indianapolis. AQ, have you been following this, Colts? I know you're working for the Cardinals, and now you're a commentator, so you're obviously going to be biased towards that team forever. If we start seeing them. Yeah, every week. Yeah, we're going to have to start wondering that because he's actually doing this for them on team plane, I think.

41:13Pat McAfee:So this guy ain't going to say shit about that. But I do wonder if you've been watching the Indianapolis Colts. I have. Because, boy, this team is spectacular. All the talent that we've had over the last few years seemingly being used at maximum occupancy. Danny Dimes' offense has been spectacular. He's calling out blitzes. He's putting us in the right place. He's telling guys where to line up. And the other guys, by the way, not only are they lining up perfectly, they're all on the same page. or seeing the picture the same exact way. People are cutting off routes. Danny Dimes hit him. Danny's shuffling in a pocket.

41:41Pat McAfee:Quentin Nelson's yelling and screaming at people. You know why this all is maybe more crazy than you could ever imagine? Because you finally get a guy in Danny Dimes who got a little bit of experience. It didn't go great, but that experience. 96%. Was that what it was? 96 % on the athletic fan poll? Yeah. 7 % optimism. 93%. Okay, so 93 % of the Colts fans who don't know ball, if they're the same people that were coming after me last year. And they are. Okay, and that's the people that it would be. The super active on the internet. Polls people. We appreciate how excited they are about the Colts, we hope, as a whole.

42:27Pat McAfee:But also how passionate they were about their causes and how they felt. And they were certainly very, very, very aggressive with me. They don't know ball. Okay, that was proof. Here is what the positive thoughts or optimism for the team going into the season was. The Indianapolis Colts were dead, worse than the Saints. And the Saints had just an open understanding that they weren't really going to be able to win for a while. Hey, we're hiring Kellen Moore. It's going to be a process. So give him a couple years. Hang on. That's basically what everybody has said down there. The Colts, 7%. This was after they hired or named Danny Dimes as the starting quarterback.

43:02Yep. Mine was the same. I felt the same way. Now I'm all in on him.

43:08AQ Shipley:Yeah, it was...

43:09Pat McAfee:You, you, you, yeah, we understand. We've been waiting, man. It's been a revolving door court. We fucking found him. You should have known. You should have known we found him. He's this big. What evidence was there? Yeah, that's right. The Vikings tried to pay him. Yeah, the Vikings... Oh, that's the evidence. They wanted to pay him more. He got in the building. Kevin O 'Connor's like, holy shit, we got to give this guy a amount of money. Then Colts offered something. And the Vikings are like, we'll give him more because he was in the building. And then he's like, I don't think you guys are going to really let me start here, right?

43:38Pat McAfee:Colt's seemingly going to give me an actual competition chance over here. I'll take less money to go over there. And on that money note, here's QBR ranks. This year, thus far, we're only three weeks into the season. Danny Dimes is getting paid$14.5 million this year if all of his shit hits. Right. If all of his incentives hits, which$300 ,000 has already hit or something like that. And he's well on his way, I assume, to continue to hit him. Jared Goff,$32.6 million. Okay, love that the Detroit Lions are back. Also, that's not that bad of a cap hit. And remember, when Jared Goff was traded to Detroit, one of the big conversations was, who's going to pay this guy's salary?

44:11Pat McAfee:That was a big part of it. So the Detroit Lions saying we'll pay the salary was a huge piece. Gave us the first rounder for that. Yeah, they're like, thank you. We gave him this deal. We fucking so much. Good enough. And they extended him. They gave him the four years, 160 or whatever it was, to probably lessen that cap hit and pay their guy. Yeah, so Brad Holmes up there working some magic. And also Jared Goff showing his love and appreciation, I think, to the Detroit Lions organization as a whole.

44:38JJ Watt:Worth every single penny.

44:39Pat McAfee:So then you go down to number three, Lamar Jackson. Him and his mom negotiated this deal,$43.5 million. At this stage of what quarterbacks are getting paid, do you think Lamar Jackson's not getting paid anywhere near what he should? His next contract is going to be outrageous, especially now that he's the number one passer rating. Josh Allen just won the MVP,$36.3 million. He just got paid a little bit ago. And Patrick Mahomes kind of set the tone for this whole thing. When he signed a, we thought it was a 10-year deal. Turned out it was an eight-year deal worth like 44 or something like that, million a year.

45:10Pat McAfee:But we were told it was 50 a year. Yeah, 10 years, 500 million. 500 million is what the original reports were. And then it gets down, it's like eight years, 44 million. It's like, well, where'd all the other money go? I feel like that wasn't the original report. Maybe we were just wrong. but that long-term deal with Patrick Mahomes kind of started setting up everybody else because they were able to do salary cap gymnastics Veach was able to keep everybody that they wanted to keep now granted Tyreek Hill was not able to remain uh Kansas City Chief but basically everybody else they've been able to kind of manage because of Patrick Mahomes's deal and anytime somebody signs a new deal all the pundits on the internet tell people or tell Patrick Mahomes for good reason he needs to walk into Brett Veach's office and say I want new deal those guys making 50 million dollars there's guys making damn near 60 million there's people that are going to make 70 million dollars playing quarterback in the nfl right around the corner and the number one qbr right now is making 14 and a half and for that we thank him okay we you can build up the rest of the team this is just like rookie contracts aaron rogers is on for what 10 million dollars i think this year is the the money he's getting paid you can still build a good team around that i thought that was going to be the way you kind of have to do it to win then the philadelphia Eagles won and they've paid everybody.

46:20Pat McAfee:So I think if you've got a good salary cap gymnast, I think you can make some magic happen. But your quarterback getting paid from every stat that we've seen basically over the last however many years, when your quarterback is taking that bigger percentage, it's tough to build a winner around it. Yeah, there's no doubt. This only furthers the narrative about developing quarterbacks. And when you look at a guy like Danny Dimes, a Baker Mayfield, a Sam Darnold, and maybe Carson Wentz next, right? I think you look at this, they're just not prepared coming out of college. The games are two completely different games.

46:50College football versus pro football. You go back to the mid-2000s, the game mirrored the NFL. The college game mirrored the NFL. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, everybody in the Big Ten was running pro-style offense. Alabama was running rough.

47:01Pat McAfee:They were doing the whole thing. Now everybody is just trying to win. You don't have enough time because people might transfer. We just need an offense that's easy, one progression reads, and hand the ball off and run RPOs. That's what college football is. You expect these guys to step in and be Danny Dimes in year four or five in year one. And it's just not the case. So you're saying it's quite a leap whenever it comes to figuring out what the hell the other side of the ball is doing to you because these are professionals and they spend their entire lives on it. And it's the all-star game for the past five generations playing against you.

47:31Pat McAfee:Is that what you're saying? Because defenses are like much more sophisticated.

47:35AQ Shipley:Oh, yeah.

47:35Pat McAfee:Like you broke, you showed the Brian Flores disguised defense that the Vikings ran the other day. I think JJ Watt quotes, we didn't put it out there. You see guys moving and going crazy. and everybody's talking about Matt Patricia and what he's going to be able to do with that Ohio State defense. Is it defenses are much more sophisticated in the NFL? Like how much different is the sophistication levels of the defense? And why does it, from a defensive guy's perspective, why do quarterbacks struggle at a young age playing against you?

48:00AQ Shipley:So it's the same thing that AQ was talking about. And on the college level for defenses, since offenses are getting up to the line of scrimmage so quickly and calling plays from the sideline, the defenses have to be simplified as well. We got to get lined up. We got to get a call out. I don't know if they have the green dot for defenders in college, but getting that communicated across the field is a big deal. So when you get to the NFL level, now not only is it the defensive coordinator making the calls, but you have a guy like Levante David or somebody, Bobby Wagner, or other signal callers out there making adjustments to the call made.

48:32AQ Shipley:So you have – that's what – you know, you always hear be a pro, be a pro. So now you have the guys when you've 10 seconds left on the play clock, a guy you may be blitzing, I may switch to blitz, hey, I'll cover you blitz. So you have all those different adjustments. And coaches got to, you know, I think Brady talked about this. It's on the coaches, too, because a lot of coaches get passes on not developing these quarterbacks. And some of these coaches just aren't good to that level where they can be patient and help them where they need to grow. So when you get a guy like Danny Dimes who gets to a place like this where things are in place around them, you can really grow.

49:03AQ Shipley:You can really have that confidence in yourself. You cannot, you can't play any position in the NFL where you're actually thinking. Like, you have to just be prepared and react. The only way you can react is by already being prepared and understanding what's coming, having answers, anticipating things, hitting throws. Because you've got to throw a lot of guys open. What's open in the NFL is completely different than what's open in college. As a defender, if I'm on a guy, if I'm on a tie, I'm here. Most quarterbacks, I can make that play. NFL Sundays, nah, you've got to be on that. You've got to be a step ahead.

49:34AQ Shipley:So it's just a completely different game. You've got to have patience sometimes. and a lot of we don't we don't owners front office you don't have that same type of patience or uh development around these guys so it's a tough task well the issue is and i wrote about

49:47Pat McAfee:this in my notes section in 2000 maybe 15 16 i thought social media had amplified people's lack of patience in professional sports because back in the day you would have to read like a journalist thoughts on you or maybe an opinion would get sent into the paper but if espn or some tv person wasn't covering your shit nobody really you know either knew how bad it was or you didn't have an opportunity to hear from literally all your fans now with social media you see how fans react and how people feel so if you even give off the perception of being okay with what's going on you're you're facing a revolt potentially like on a complete why is this our this guy doesn't care this lady doesn't care at all they're okay with us just being uh bad why would i care as a fan and you're seeing people say that like in droves and i'm not saying that every business makes decisions because of things that they see on the internet but there's a reason why yelp became what yelp became and there's a reason why like surveys are a thing whenever you see an abundance of things i think it's hard to sit in the pocket while everybody is attacking and saying we're going to stick with it we're going to stick with it because in the off chance that you're wrong and you're patient with something and it's not it never pans out you have fucking lost everything and doing that.

51:03Pat McAfee:So the quicker trigger, I think, is happening strictly because of the amount of information that people in decision-making positions have with how everybody reacts. Think about owners learning how all of their fans feel for the first time opening their ex-girl. Think about Jim Irsay opening that fucking thing for the first time and just going, what's this? Mentions. Let's see what this is. Brother. Oh, my. somebody tell them we did good you know like somebody's because now it's just like ah so i think that's why they make better decisions so like the quarterback patience thing and i guess we're part of the problem as well because anthony richardson need to be developed need to be developed need to be developed so as he's developing you're trying to figure out like does he have all the traits that when he's developed he's going to be a guy like how how patient do you have to be so i think that's why this competition with danny dimes is such a big deal but to your point if new york giants would have been patient with danny dimes is Danny Dimes an MVP type player for the New York Giants.

52:00Pat McAfee:If they would have been patient with Baker at Cleveland, is he an MVP-like player at Cleveland? Sam Darnold in New York. That list of people that kind of goes on the merry-go-round is very big. So it's an interesting dynamic right now with college in the NFL.

52:16AQ Shipley:And even once you get good in the NFL, like once you're good, now it's almost harder to continue to be good. Like all these young quarterbacks, whoever, Jaden Daniels or whoever, Hey, okay, CJ, you took the league by storm your first year. But now when you're coming into the league and everybody has a plan for you to take away what you do best, what's your counter? We were spoiled for the teams we rooted for, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brett, Big Ben. These guys were good every week. Every week you get a minute, 13, 11 o 'clock, two times out. We have a chance. We're getting at least a field goal.

52:50AQ Shipley:We're getting a touchdown. You know those things. But to do that consistently throughout the league, week in and week out, year in and year out at that position is tough because this is all guys, this is all Chuck Paganos and the guys around the league are thinking about Jim Schwartz. They're thinking about Jeff Hattie. You're getting a plan for this guy, specifically for this week, to put him in the best position to do what he does, not as good. Take away his fastball. It's tough to do week in and week out. Lou Arumbo, he's out there drawing it off for the Indianapolis Colts.

53:18Pat McAfee:Cam Bynum's conversation will be running about 2.30ish or so. He was electrifying. But he mentioned Tom Brady there for you. Tom Brady's been talking about this. Well, and that's the thing. We say if the Giants had patience, the Giants might have just hired the wrong people every single time. You can't rule that out either. Tom Brady talked about when he was a rookie on Cowher, basically his QB coach had a heart attack, passed away really early. So Belichick became the de facto QB coach of Tom Brady's rookie year. And what he talked about was the development of quarterbacks is so important because some guys just bring a system.

53:52And they say, hey, this is my system. This is what we're going to run. You're going to look here. If it's not there, you're going to throw here. Whereas when Brady was a rookie in the NFL, Bill Belichick comes in and he's his QB coach, and he's saying, hey, this team runs cover one when we are in this formation. The reason they do this is because their DC likes to do this with this player. This team runs cover three in third and five because this team runs cover zero with blitzes on third and long because they're super aggressive, whereas that's not happening now with these younger QBs. So the reason a resurgence is happening for Danny Dimes, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, because those guys go somewhere, they get coached correctly, they get put in an offense that isn't just like, hey, if this is here, that will be there.

54:42But on Sunday, if you ask a question, and this reminds me of Mac Jones, when Matt Patricia became the OC of Mac Jones in New England, the kind of process was, hey, Mac Jones asked him about what happens if there's a blitz and he didn't have an answer for him. And that's also the problem that the players, you know, you don't hear about because, hey, this player stinks. It's his fault. It has nothing to do with the coach.

55:01Pat McAfee:So Tom Brady's saying if you raise the expectations for a player, the player will raise the expectations for himself. The more you put on, maybe you'll be underwater, but maybe the better he'll perform. But what if it's the wrong guy that can't retain all that shit? Then there's a whole other side of the conversation. But Tom Brady's been very open about, hey, I don't think the game is anywhere near as sophisticated as it needs to be for these quarterbacks, and you're only affecting the game as a whole, is what he says. But I'll tell you what, here in Indianapolis, we're pumped for whatever happened with Dave.

55:28Pat McAfee:Go ahead and run that thing. Now, Ty, we have a minute and a half, and we have to. We have to mention baseball. Baseball is having a big time right now.

55:35JJ Watt:Yeah, without a doubt. There are five days left of the season, so a bunch of teams are still alive right now. But the biggest story currently, unfortunately, Foxy, is the Detroit Tigers are in the midst of one of the biggest collapses in baseball history. They've lost seven straight games. I believe it was on July 8th. They had a 14.5 game lead in the division. And as you can see there, it has just continually been stripped down by the Cleveland Guardians. And they are the first team of all time. They've eliminated a 13.5 lead game in the division over the last month or so. They're 17-3 over their last 20 games.

56:15JJ Watt:So them and the Tigers are tied. I believe they play another game tonight, and then there are four games after this. So, Yankees clinched last night. They could still win the AL East, who the Blue Jays are in. Red Sox are still alive. Seattle clinched, I believe it was last night as well. They were battling with the Houston Astros for a long time. Houston has also collapsed quite a bit, and that's kind of getting taken away by what the Tigers are doing. And then you can see on the right side there with the NL, kind of a lot of the usual suspects. Most of these teams have already clinched. The Mets are who everyone's looking at because they have been absolutely horrendous as of late.

56:54JJ Watt:So everyone's still alive. A lot of good baseball coming up over the next five to seven days.

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57:56AQ Shipley:Lock in. It's the WNBA on ESPN.

58:00JJ Watt:All season long.

58:06Pat McAfee:Football. I'll tell you what. B.A. gives a good cadence. He does. Oh, yeah. I think he gets pretty jacked up, too. Got me to jump off sides one time. That's AQ Shipley, 12-year NFL vet, 9-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Live from Hammer, time is AP Tone. in town good to see you college football is about to be crazy and gambling is obviously going to continue to be awesome are the people up or the sports books up sports books yeah it's big time real big time they got us in the first quarter okay they got us for the rest of this game we fucking start seeing it stay hot we got right where we want them that's right because they're getting a little bit too comfortable their ai that's cooking up the the algorithms to figure out what the spreads are and where the money's what and how everybody's feeling where the sharks They got more information than ever, these books.

58:58Pat McAfee:We do, too. Now, they got a lot more. They got everybody's betting habits. They know exactly where everybody's going. They know where the smart people are going. They know where the bad people are going. And they obviously see things much differently than we do. But we need to remember that they can be wrong and that humans are superior. Exactly. Right? Well said. No doubt. I think so. This is our week. Rest in peace to Dave Sharapan. Mm-hmm. Sportsbook can sing. Oh, yeah. We're going to miss the shit out of that, Yenzer. He was great. Gone way too soon. But on that note, are they still using humans to make these lines, or is this thing all AI, Tone?

59:30JJ Watt:I would highly doubt that there's a lot of human involvement in these lines.

59:34Pat McAfee:So we got to beat these things. Okay, what do we got? Find your edge. We all we got. We are all we got. Live. And if it's not us, then who? Got to get them live. Tone, the live betting? Yeah. Because AI can't react.

59:49AQ Shipley:They don't know.

59:50Pat McAfee:Soft ass. They got no awareness.

59:52AQ Shipley:They don't see kids limp off the field. Yeah.

59:54Pat McAfee:Now, with that being said, I'd like to let my AI know I think you're none of these things. I think you're great. When I ask a question, I need a right answer. Can't be heavy. You'd be wrong. Grog. I'm out of my AI.

1:00:03JJ Watt:I saw a scary one yesterday. Apparently, there's an AI now that you can FaceTime with people and just choose not to be your face. It could be anybody's face.

1:00:13Pat McAfee:Okay. That's cool. That's a problem. Okay. Who fucking decided to do that one? It's a real problem. Some serial killer. Why are we letting these things happen? Why is this? That's what we don't need. We need good stuff. Only the good stuff. For instance, good Q &A, but it needs to have the right answers. And maybe not get so confused so easily.

1:00:32AQ Shipley:How does that happen?

1:00:34Pat McAfee:How do we get to the end game?

1:00:36AQ Shipley:How do they get confused? I had an interaction, an interesting interaction with Grok. Now, chat, GBC. Grok's a homie. AI homie from X and Twitter. Don't say, well, Tony. Grok's great. Grok stinks. Yeah. Grok, Grok. Whoa! it's a far inferior product to every other AI.

1:00:55Pat McAfee:Okay. See, I just want to let Grok know if he's listening. He is. Okay. I'm not saying it. This is somebody else.

1:01:01JJ Watt:Well, we know why it's inferior. All the information is getting from us idiots on Twitter. It doesn't have anything else.

1:01:07Pat McAfee:It's actually probably pulling from AP Tone, which is maybe a part of the problem. It's part of the problem. Grok doesn't just search the entire thing because I watched a new Grok kind of calculate answers. It's telling me where it's at. Scan the internet. we're at a different website and we're doing this entire thing so I think Rock's trying to kind of reach outside of just the X you get caught up in the X shite I mean even the greatest of AI probably can't I don't know how you get through

1:01:34AQ Shipley:you know it's pretty simple though numbers, pretty simple 1, 2, 3, ABC's like colors, you know you learn colors like McKenzie probably doing pretty good with her colors

1:01:46Pat McAfee:blue, pink

1:01:47AQ Shipley:even learning multiple languages I don't know, my school, Lee, South Florida, we learned multiple things. Excuse me? Grock, AI, it's supposed to be the most event. Elon made it right. Yeah. Colors. I mean, I know I'm wearing green right now. Today, a lot of different shades of green. If you go to my timeline, I don't know how far you have to scroll up. You might have to do some reverse engineering of how we actually got to the spot. But Grock said, and it would be much better if I walk you through the tweet.

1:02:15Pat McAfee:Basically, D-Butch and Grock have been going at it a little bit. Yeah, and Grok's angle's not a good one to be behind. I'll say it is. First of all, got Galifianakis wrong. Yeah. On Mr. Redford, rest in peace. Yeah. On the GIF. Okay, you searching at Galifianakis, Robert Redford pops up as the top one. Yeah, what the hell? Well, rest in peace, Mr. Redford. To be fair. No, no, no. That's fucking Jeremiah Johnson. That ain't fucking Zach Galifianakis. I know that, but we're humans with emotions, and we have emotional connections to these people. if you're just looking at that photo you can easily say galvanaski that's not his name either okay it's got easily galvanaski is his name exactly hangover that is that gift if we're all talking about bruce have you found it all right here we go okay so this is so uh who is

1:03:08AQ Shipley:this uh ea tax whatever right scroll up to the video yeah so he so this video first of all clip from Up and Adam. This clip kind of goes viral every few months or so. Some account tweets it out. And someone asks, hey, who are these people? So Grok answers. They're sports broadcasters. Kay Adams and NBA star Draymond Green from a funny segment on our show.

1:03:35Pat McAfee:It was a funny segment, to be clear.

1:03:38AQ Shipley:Funny segment. I know me and Draymond were both dark skinned black guys. as both athletes, I haven't gotten mixed up with Draymond Green. I don't think he's gotten mixed up with me. If we keep on scrolling down so it comes to my attention, someone tweets me, hey, there's a ball that Grox seems to have you mixed up, confused, blah, blah, blah, scroll down. So then I start to interact.

1:04:00Pat McAfee:Oops, my bad. That's actually Kay Adams and former NFL player Darius Butler on up in Adams. I must have mixed up the greens. The greens. Draymond versus Darius. Thanks for the correction.

1:04:11AQ Shipley:Yeah. Now, as you start and you say my name, so Darius, first name, last name, Butler, and then you go Draymond Green. You say you must have mixed up the greens. So then obviously I would add, the obvious question is, mixed up the greens, huh? So, yeah, pretty interesting. Yeah, so, you know, this is a good gift. Great gift. So we scroll down. That's not Steve Harvey, just like, you know, obviously maybe confused with the hangover. Zach Galifianakis. What's his name again coming? Galifianakis. Yeah, him and Harvey. I'm sorry to say it's Galifianakis. If you could search Steve Harvey and that would pop up because, hold on, wait.

1:04:46Oh, no. I am. Oh, you get mixed up too? But, yeah.

1:04:48Pat McAfee:So, I thought it was very interesting. What we're saying is AI still has a lot to learn. A lot. A lot to learn. So, whenever – by the way, I don't like that that happened and Grok should be issuing a nice message. My bad is, you know, hey, Grok, take it easy. We need to beat them whenever they're the sportsbooks. Joining us now is a man who's a pro football Hall of Fame nominee. He's a college football national champion. He's a Super Bowl champion. He's a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, the former president of Ohio, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, A.J. Hawk. Congrats. Hall of Famer, dude. Congrats. Yep.

1:05:27Thank you. Honored. Very honored.

1:05:29Pat McAfee:Come on. I knew. First hour. We did, what, seven, eight minutes on how pumped. You guys were very nice. Hey, you guys were all very nice. I learned of it from you watching the show that the whole that was even on that list. But yeah, you guys were very nice. I appreciate that. No problem at all. The list of nominees was released this morning. AJ Hawk on the list for the first time. We are incredibly pumped for you, AJ. I know you would diminish this because you had to be a guy that didn't need titles or approval from other people to feel fulfillment or have success. And that's because you were in Brian Urlacher's division playing the same exact position.

1:06:04Pat McAfee:so if you were to get upset about getting voted for things at your position that would have taken over your life i assume that is why you've gotten to the way you are uh i don't know i think i've always kind of been the way i am but yeah i mean another guy lance briggs on there as well he should be no question okay so with that being said congratulations we're happy you're getting acknowledged we're happy getting also also with that being said can you kind of start us off by explaining why you think you are better than Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher and maybe Luke Keekly, some of the other – London Fletcher, why do you deserve more than those guys maybe to get in?

1:06:39Yeah, isn't that what they do? They have each guy talk about why they're better than the other guy? I think that's how it goes. Yeah, yeah, it's your turn. It's kind of the Hawks' call, if you will, AJ. Nope, but I saw Nick Mangold still there. Nick better – Nick should get in soon as well. He's been on for years.

1:06:53Pat McAfee:Roommate from College of A.J. Maybe you guys go together. Oh, that'd be awesome. Oh, my God, that'd be a good little time. Hand in hand. Yeah. At least over shoulder. You guys saying Grok? You guys saying D-Butts Grok is racist? Does that sound like that? It ain't my Grok. Yeah. It ain't my Grok. We know what the R stands for in Grok now. Mm-hmm. Oh. Whoa. Racist. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yep. Got it. All right. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who will be a first ballot Hall of Famer whenever his name is up. Might be alongside A.J. Hawk. Could be. Mm-hmm. This guy went super zany with his 70s look to celebrate throwback football with his CBS Sports compadres over there.

1:07:33JJ Watt:So silly.

1:07:33Pat McAfee:To celebrate football and how great it is. This man has brought his incredible intelligence and his knowledge to the booth. In two out of the first three weeks, he's had to call his brother's games. And he has maintained a non-biased perspective that even the fans of the other team say, good on this man. Good on this man.

1:07:51AQ Shipley:Hell yeah.

1:07:52Pat McAfee:He's former Walter Payton Man of the Year. He's 6 '100", sculpted like he's out of stone. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. Walt.

1:08:01JJ Watt:Yay! J.J. for the Hall of Fame. We need all the initials we can get in there.

1:08:08Pat McAfee:J.J., you're 100 % right. How about it, though? J.J. was immediately going to try to diminish that as quickly as possible, which he did as soon as he got up there. At least take the moment, J.J., and say, hey, your peers say you're great at football. That was a cool thing, I think, J.J., for J.J.

1:08:22JJ Watt:Yeah, it's who he is. That's why he's nominated for the Hall of Fame, because he's that kind of guy.

1:08:28Pat McAfee:Maybe we do a whole hour here on A.J. Hawk. We should pull up a highlight film right now. This would be awesome. Yeah, we actually should. I didn't even think about that until right now. That is what we should maybe do. Or we could compare his stats versus all the other Hall of Fame linebackers and tell them why he should never be in the Hall of Fame. No, see, that's not a good part about being nominated for the Hall of Fame. We did talk about that earlier, how there's guys that are nominated every single year, and every year all they have to hear is why they don't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

1:08:55Pat McAfee:That kind of sucks. Yeah, that's probably not the most. Oh, A.J. Hawk with the tackle in. You can play this one. You can play this one, yeah. Boom. In the Hall of Fame. Yeah. A.J., are we going to make a pick here? Yep, we are. And then we're going to go to the crib. I need some better blocking. Look at me handling it. We're going to fall down. You know, in high school, I was a running back and a punter. I had to get down and go ahead and let the boys on offense get out there. They obviously had a full game plan. What am I doing with the Rock? Who's that? Oh, all day. Adrian Peterson, let me smother him.

1:09:26Pat McAfee:And then let me celebrate.

1:09:27JJ Watt:I love watching these teams, man. I did not like playing against, but I love watching these teams.

1:09:33Pat McAfee:And that was another one of these. I just got shot, guys. I got him. Yeah, throw up the shocker, obviously. AJ always had a little edge to him. Yeah, he did. Always had a little edge to him, which we appreciate. Jeez, look at him flying around. AJ, this is Hall of Fame shit right here, bro. Yeah, okay. All right. Look at him shoot the gap. Did you see that? Timing him up. AQ said earlier, JJ, the thing about AJ is obviously, oh, give me that. Give me that with a broken hand in the snow.

1:10:01JJ Watt:Do we have rewind capabilities? Do we have rewind? Yeah, we can certainly do a little bit of something. Go back. Watch his first step here. He takes a jab towards the line of scrimmage and then just the control to push himself back out. You got to go back. Yeah, right here. Watch his jab and then back.

1:10:16Pat McAfee:That was a bait. No, he baited Ben. That was a bait. He baited Ben. That was on purpose, right, AJ? I think the coverage kind of helped me out there. Yeah, exactly. That was the show. The sleeveless turtleneck. The sleeveless turtleneck. That's the best. The dicky. That's the dicky. It's awesome. Aaron works. It only goes up to your nipples just to cover your neck.

1:10:39JJ Watt:AJ, you're flying around here, dude.

1:10:41Pat McAfee:You're flying around.

1:10:41JJ Watt:That's like the cousin Eddie in Christmas Vacation.

1:10:48Pat McAfee:All right, AJ. Good luck in the Hall of Fame. Good luck, James. If you get in before Keekly, I'm going to be pissed. There is no Keekly without AJ. I don't know. I'll never forget it. He's like a super genius. Really good. Thought that AJ wasn't. Obviously, he had great intelligence, had good celebrations as well, which we appreciate the amount of enthusiasm he had with sideline as well. He has a whole team effort. He's on the field. And that might be what he's doing right now for the Hall of Fame ceremony. Oh, yeah. Look out. You guys remember me now? I want my boss to be out of my hair, man.

1:11:15Pat McAfee:You think that's what he's going to say?

1:11:17JJ Watt:Wear the same suit from draft night. Oh, my God. The big boy.

1:11:19Pat McAfee:I need to find that. Good move. Oh, we know where it is. You know where it is for sure. And you know what? Have Laura use that split jersey too. Yeah, exactly. Let's use that again. Stitch it on the back of the suit. Yeah, have it be thus. Yeah. The dress. Yes. Yes. Make a dress out of it. Boom. We figured it out for the whole Hawk family. You're welcome, Laura. You're welcome, Hawk family. Whole fame ceremony is going to be a great time. Espanol, how's the team? So Burnley I saw not good. Okay, right? Carabao Cup. They got booted by a Division III team. Okay, so they'll be back. It can't get much worse, I guess, right?

1:11:56Pat McAfee:Is that what we're saying? Let's just say if Ball State beat the Green Bay Packers this weekend, that's basically what happened to Burnley, and Burnley's the Packers. Is that right, Gumpy? Is that what took place? I didn't hear this.

1:12:10JJ Watt:I wouldn't go that far, but that's a tough loss to Cardiff City for sure. Oh, no. So the Ball State beat the Green Bay Packers.

1:12:17Pat McAfee:I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

1:12:19JJ Watt:I'll listen to Gump talk football all day. I will not sit here and listen to that mullet-headed talk about my soccer team. Oh, yeah? You shut your mouth over there in your Wolf t-shirt. I played five years high school football and watched high school soccer for five years. Top-tier high school soccer. We're talking about players who could have gone on and been a big deal. So, I mean, where do you get on? Hey, guess what? I've played FIFA since 2006, bitch. That's good. I got all the FIFAs. That's the name of your career, Uncle Rico. I could have gone on and been a big deal. Rico, but he knows it.

1:12:55JJ Watt:But he knows it. But I said, oh, you know what? I could go and be a big, cool guy like J.J. Watt, or I could smoke cigarettes and drink beer. Oh, what do I want to do? Let me think. Cigarettes and beer every day of the week, bitch. And then become a soccer pundit. And then, you know what? I said, hold on. In 2009, when Chris Gervinato was on the cover of FIFA 2009, I spent over$250 in my parents' money to get them on my ultimate team. So, yeah, I know soccer. So, I mean, I don't know. I don't know why we're talking about, hey, I don't want to hear Connor talk soccer. No, I know. Ball State beat the Green Bay Packers.

1:13:30Yeah, how about that?

1:13:31Pat McAfee:Burnley beat the Green Bay Packers. Cardiff City. We just had Rain Man. Anyways, tough one for the Ball State squad.

1:13:38JJ Watt:Get it off the screen. Yeah, it was the Carabao Cup. It wasn't good. We played bad. It wasn't great. We got the Premier League coming back up this weekend. Great comeback yesterday by Espanol, though.

1:13:49Pat McAfee:Espanol, I feel like we got good cafe in the morning, you know, and rum in the afternoon. It feels like I like the Espanol crowd a lot. I like the Espanol team. Are we going to be good? Is Espanol good at soccer?

1:14:00JJ Watt:We got some juice, man. We got some juice going on right now. We went down. We had to come back. 95th minute to tie it up. It was crazy. The cauldron of chaos is living up to its name. It's nuts right now.

1:14:12Pat McAfee:Cauldron of chaos. us we need to make our way over there yeah i don't know enough spanish uh do they all do they all

1:14:19JJ Watt:that's don't need to if you know how to if you know how to drink a beer and you know how to cheer

1:14:22Pat McAfee:for goals that's all that we need big guy yeah i got that i think i think i got that and also coffee i like coffee yeah como sauce yeah see so many of those see see yeah see so many see uno that carries right oh yeah one yeah yeah cerveza yep is that also yeah because i don't know what is you know because there's allegedly different you know words like spain spanish dialects yeah there it is in the morning we drink coffee and the afternoon is from and then we play soccer and we win almost everyone yeah because i think we uh yeah we and we're close with real you know that's gonna let's talk a little football here cauldron of chaos is your booth one week you're so tall one week you're so small this week you're so zany you're really nailing them all here so let's talk about the glasses let's talk about the pants let's talk about signing up for this let's talk about mr eagle's mustache yeah i mean i like what you guys are doing cbs celebrated uh 55 years of football and i appreciate you participating in that i think it's actually a pretty good look for you i think this may be something you should maybe start leaning in on a little bit more i appreciate

1:15:31JJ Watt:that uh if it didn't make me look like i might try to take a van near a youth school you know very domery yes very yeah yeah um but no it was awesome dude i mean we had brent musburger open up the broadcast 75 years of nfl today like it was it was really cool to have all the throwback graphics and everything ian obviously leaning into it so uh we we had a good time with it and And the long hair played in well. So I think that we hit the 70s hard.

1:16:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think you hit it hard. Your pants also got hit pretty hard by the girth of your thighs. Yeah, yeah. Heard those things just blew out. Somebody was zoomed in on your crotch. Just know everybody's watching everything. I like that you're holding the ball there, you know, make it look like, hey, I'm a football guy while talking football at a football game.

1:16:17JJ Watt:I mean, like I responded to this because it was something that I knew was possibly going to come up. But then as I started going through it, I'm like, man, you really had to be looking close and you really had to be like slowing that film down. So we got some crotch watchers out there. Got to be a little careful.

1:16:36Pat McAfee:Definitely.

1:16:37JJ Watt:You got more crotch watchers than anybody.

1:16:40Pat McAfee:Yeah, well, that's why you got to make sure, you know, the whole kit and caboodles inside the ride. Let's keep our arms and hands inside the vehicle before we go through the whoop-de-woos and roller coaster. That's certainly a thought that I had there. You've called two of your brother's games.

1:16:51JJ Watt:Hang on. I got a question about that. Once you hit water, was there any rearrangement? Was there anything while you were under the water that you had to keep everything in place?

1:17:00Pat McAfee:Absolutely, dude. This thing was maybe middle of my back, just right through the cheeks. And then the issue at the top there is that thing was riding to the right, just completely, side saddle almost. So I had to fix that. As soon as I go underwater, that happens again, just right up in there. So that thing's up around here, high, tight, high, real tight, I'd say. So yeah, underwater, I'm having a battle. I'm not the best swimmer. I can't float. Everybody knows that. So, you know, there's a little bit of a battle down there. But, boy, I love my time. That campus is different than everywhere I've ever been.

1:17:29Pat McAfee:I mean, it's a resort. They got, like, very good schools, I think, down there. Private institution. They're building that thing up, like, every day. It felt like a very different. And their football team's very good, JJ.

1:17:40JJ Watt:Very, very good. They are. I miss the Orange Bowl, though. I do miss the Orange Bowl. The Orange Bowl was pretty awesome.

1:17:45Pat McAfee:Yeah, historic place. It was so hot down there. It was so hot. I mean, that's an advantage. Mario Crispo said that. we feel like if teams come down here, yeah, they have to battle against a couple different things. Dolphins. Yeah, Lombardi said the same thing about playing the Miami Dolphins. Okay, so your brother, you've called two of those games. Thank you for killing it on Sundays, by the way. You've been doing a great job. We've all been watching and listening and obviously we drop into your games during Red Zone as well, which we're still watching? Mm-hmm. Still watching Red Zone? Yep. I'm calling.

1:18:13Pat McAfee:I don't want to create all the controversy there. No. I said we'll still, basically I said we don't care. We will still watch it, is what I was saying. I just want to make sure everybody knows I am still watching. Is everybody else still? Yeah, it's not easy, but I'm still doing it. I'm battling as well. You're still watching? I'm battling.

1:18:30JJ Watt:What's it like? How big of a change are we talking here? Obviously, I can't see it now. It kind of ruined your entire Sunday. Yeah, you're lucky you can't see it, bro.

1:18:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, you get to see it live in person. What we got to see is 15 seconds of this thing pop up four hours in, and it's just right there. And you still got the box right here and then i think disappears yeah quarter of a minute every time where the football go and then you gotta remember oh it's in a small tv over here yeah oh shit okay there it is now it's still there the issue though jage yeah still there it's a playthrough it's a playthrough the issue there jage is this is the first step of what these greedy corporate fact that's you're gonna do and i didn't acknowledge that early enough but i will say still watching red zone your games will get dropped in we hear you and then even if we're watching not watching your game as the main game we still hear you think you're doing a great job you having to call your brothers games two out of the first three weeks of you being in the booth how has that been for you i brought up earlier something that could maybe be chatted about uh whenever you see success on the defensive side you probably want to get excited i mean five what that defense is doing there's excitable moments there especially with what your brother's doing how has that been balancing it all and what are your thoughts on this pittsburgh steelers team yeah i mean i've

1:19:42JJ Watt:I've learned that it's even more challenging to do it when he plays well, when he plays really well. I mean, he had two sacks. He had two tackles for loss. He had a fumble recovery. So you're sitting there, and, like, obviously, we've talked about it multiple times. I'm very conscious of not being biased. I don't want the call to be biased. I want to play it straight. I want people to understand that I'm doing it on both sides. But then, I mean, guy has two sacks. He has a fumble recovery, and you're trying to sit there and give him the credit that you would give anybody else who makes these types of plays.

1:20:14JJ Watt:But you also know that everybody's watching and waiting, trying to make it seem like you're biased. So I'll say my partner, Ian, does a phenomenal job. He kind of takes over on the TJ plays and he makes sure that they get the hype and the promotion that they need. And then I just kind of come in and fill in with some analysis. But it's definitely interesting, especially on his second sack of the day. you're like, all right, this guy's defensive player of the year. He's got a second sack. I got to give him some credit. I got to give him some love. But not too much. Not too much. People have been really understanding.

1:20:49JJ Watt:They've been really good about it. Fans from the Jets in week one and fans from the Patriots this past week have all sent me some great messages saying that they thought I did a good job. I know that there's one fourth down holding call that they didn't love that I pointed it out, but it was a fourth and one point in the game that was a crucial point, and he was complaining to the ref. I wanted to make sure everybody saw it. But, yeah, it's a fun challenge, but there's no doubt that it's something you have to be conscious of. Go ahead, AJ. AJ, first off, who cares? It's your brother. You can pump your brother up all you want, especially when he plays well.

1:21:21I think people should be able to understand that. But quick pivot, New York Giants, Jackson Dart, young quarterback. I want to know your thoughts on what you would do when you're facing a young rookie QB. Obviously hit him, you know, try to get him off the spot, all of that stuff. And is there any guys, any young guys you remember playing against where you could kind of, maybe you were surprised at how well they handled it or maybe you were surprised at how well they didn't handle it when you faced them when they were young?

1:21:45JJ Watt:I mean, I think the biggest thing with a young quarterback is you just try and mix things up early on. Try and give them as much stuff to think about because you know all the stuff that's already going on in their head. So, I mean, just different looks from a defensive standpoint, whether it's stunts, whether it's some shifts at the line of scrimmage. You know, I mean, as we all know here who have played, the first thing you have to worry about as a player is your own job. So he's going up there and he's trying to make sure he knows what he's supposed to do. Then he's trying to get everybody else on the offense set, whether he's got shifts and motions, whether he's changing the cadence, all those things.

1:22:20JJ Watt:And then when he gets to the line, he's got to worry about the defense. What are they showing me? Now, if somebody tosses out, it'll look like Brian Flores is tossing out. There's going to be, like, that's things that next, next, next level quarterbacks are having a tough time figuring out. Now you can get his head spinning, but there's also young guys who are incredibly talented and incredibly smart who walk up to that line with composure, with cool, calm, collected, and they just wheel and deal. And that's when you really get confidence in your team is when a guy walks up there in the face of all of that and still delivers.

1:22:52JJ Watt:and he's got a chance to do that. But I don't love, like, I don't love in general when these teams draft a quarterback, say they're going to, you know, sit him behind a guy and let him play, and then all of a sudden we throw him into the fire and you're like, okay, so were we going to let him sit or were we not going to let him sit? And does that amount of time count? And then obviously you've got Russ, who two weeks ago has 450 passing yards, and then last week has the four-down series he had in the red zone. The NFL is a rollercoaster of a league, man. It is crazy.

1:23:21Pat McAfee:It is the greatest. Yes, and Jackson Dart's getting a pop every time he's showing on the screen. Then he's getting a two-yard gain, and then Russell Wilson's getting booed, and then he throws it off the upright to end the game. And it's just like it becomes a storm of like abandoned plan. We don't care what the plan was. Let's see what this guy is. But I think what you're saying is if you're going to end up putting him in anyways or put him in early, shouldn't we have a full training camp with him being the guy? Like at least have a full operation to see what he can get? Dropping him in the middle of the season would be fascinating.

1:23:48Pat McAfee:like, because not only game-wise, practice, what's it like for him as the starter? Team meetings, what's it like as him as the starter? Offensive meetings, what's it like as him as the starter in the locker room? All those things are brand new to him. And if you're going to go in week four, I think is what your take was,

1:24:03JJ Watt:why don't we just do the first three games? And your point is perfect. This whole time we've kind of been playing this like, is he going to play? Is he not? Should we give him some reps in training camp with the ones? Should we not? And if you're going to toss him out there in week four, like you said, He could have had a full training camp and four weeks with the ones to work. And now maybe is he getting some reps during the ones already this year? Sure. But, I mean, then you're also not committed to your number one guy. I highly doubt he was getting too many reps with the ones the last four weeks.

1:24:32JJ Watt:So it is. It's just either throw your guy out there and say we're going to roll with the curves and we're going to figure it out as we go and he's going to have some ups and downs or do what you say you're going to do and let him sit. But you know how it is. Jobs get on the line and everything changes.

1:24:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, and you're saying also, I think, empower Russell Wilson if he's going to be your guy. If you're going to do that, empower Russell Wilson because I think what Connor wanted to bring up is it wasn't too long ago where we were sitting in a suite watching him against the Dallas Cowboys throw for his best number ever. And then that's what Dayball was thinking of. Dayball was like, we'll get Russell Wilson in here. He'll start for a certain amount of time. Then there'll be a right time to hand it off. Is there ever going to be a right time? I don't know. No. I legitimately don't know. Especially not with that schedule.

1:25:13Pat McAfee:Yeah, or with your job on the line. Yeah, if you win, though, are you going to want to hand it off? You know, that goes back to the Fitz-Tua situation where Fitz kind of won over the locker room, but the plan was we're going to hand it off. And then Fitz comes out and says, I wasn't. I wanted to play. This is my team, I thought. You know? And it's like, well, that's not a good start for Tua to start in this entire thing. The leader of the team is now pissed about how it all went down. So the rookie quarterback wait and then we'll put him in thing, the more I think about it, it's like Peyton threw, what, 28 interceptions his first year?

1:25:42If that would have happened nowadays, it might get cut.

1:25:46Pat McAfee:I'm doing the Falcons game this week.

1:25:49JJ Watt:And Pennix had a very rough game this last week. And now he gets pulled in the fourth quarter, which the game was gone anyway. It's not like they're replacing him. But now you have those questions pop up this week. And you're like, are we letting anybody develop? Are we letting anybody make mistakes? Are we letting anybody grow and come into their own? It's such a week-to-week world.

1:26:09Pat McAfee:Short leash is everywhere. Now, you brought up a name there about a defense for a young guy, Brian Flores. D-Bot has a question for you.

1:26:15AQ Shipley:Yeah, you reposted me and you both reposted the same video of this Brian Flores pre-snap disguise. And this is just one example of some of the shit that these young quarterbacks have to deal with. When you talk about, you know, developing and coming in, you're covering, you're calling the game with two young quarterbacks playing. If Daniels is able to play, what's your biggest thing? What do you think the biggest hurdle is for these young quarterbacks getting up to this level and playing on the highway?

1:26:39Pat McAfee:And what is all this, so we can just see? Because it looks like there's a lot of movement happening there before the ball is snapped.

1:26:45JJ Watt:Yeah, D-Bott, I'd love to have a conversation with you about this because, to me, this is literally next to next level of NFL defensive coordination, but not only from the coordinator's standpoint, from the player's standpoint. So it's one thing to sit in a meeting room and to be like, man, how crazy would it be if we went from an all-out blitz look back to a single high look, back to, like, you can draw that up, and that's great. but then you put it into a meeting and your guys are like hang on hang on hang on so you want us to show this and then go to this and then you go to the practice field and they try and do it crazy and like i said you got some young guys or you have a guy who didn't who doesn't know what's going on and he can screw the whole thing up so for brian flores to install it and for these players to execute it is beyond impressive and i know that a lot of people are giving a ton of credit to harrison smith rightfully so because he kind of quarterbacks that whole thing but D-Buck, how hard is this from a DB standpoint?

1:27:38AQ Shipley:This is like 300-level shit. I don't think I've ever seen this extensive of a disguise. And like you said, everybody has to be on the same page. So not only Harrison, you've got to have multiple smart players on every level. You talked about Brian Flores being able to communicate something like this because everything is – you've got to know the play caller. You've got to know how they operate as far as the play clock-wise, like when do they like to snap the ball because you show the first look. You show the first coverage. Typically, it's only like safeties, maybe some DBs. Sometimes you'll get a D-line shift.

1:28:08AQ Shipley:But for everybody on every level to be moving on the same accord, like it's unbelievable. I don't think I've ever seen it to this level be executed. Everyone has to have trust, the timing. And then it's just pre-snap. So now post-snap, everybody's got to run around and fly around too. This is some different shit.

1:28:26JJ Watt:And then on top of all that, you got a pass rusher who just makes a nasty spin move at the top of the screen and gets in. and the disguise sure helped, but maybe that guy was just going to get there anyway. Like, it's just a mind fuck on every level.

1:28:39Pat McAfee:And then on the offensive side, Kevin O 'Connell's calling plays, and it seems like they're going to work out. You know, it feels like they've got something special out there in Minnesota.

1:28:47AQ Shipley:This may be, like, and KOC mentioned it yesterday when he was on the show, how he goes into the meeting room with B-Flow to kind of talk over the different plans. I don't know if they cross paths with McVay as far as KOC and Zach Taylor, but a lot of these people, AQ, you know, like coming from the same tree, saying, okay, we start this, we're moving to get into, you know, the 8 and 12 area because we go over, you know, how the quarterbacks operate with the play clock, when they're shifting, when they're motioning. So having that tandem when you're dealing with an offensive head coach that goes in and sits in on these meetings, comment talked about with Belichick and Tom Brady as far as developing him as a young quarterback, like all this shit ties in.

1:29:25AQ Shipley:So when you're watching a play happen, it's just so much more that goes into, you know, these situations, these plays been executed.

1:29:32Pat McAfee:I mean, back to JJ's point about how Brian Flores is obviously coaching it, but you've got to have, like, very smart players. Just like the New England Patriots defense where they had, like, four different game plans every single game and that type of stuff. Are we looking at a historic defense over there in Minnesota? Is that what we're saying right now? And Cleveland? Like Spags a couple years ago when they went to the Super Bowl. They said all 11 guys. Yeah, Spags said whenever the Chiefs defense was leading them to – When they beat, I believe it was the Eagles the first time, I want to say.

1:29:59Pat McAfee:Yeah, and he said usually you have like two guys, maybe hopefully three guys that are kind of like coaches on the field. He said all 11 guys are like coaches on the field. Rear. You can do a lot of things. And that Cleveland Browns defense is the same, right? They're incredible across the board from front line to linebackers to DBs. Yeah, but everybody on the same page is such a big deal. This early in the season.

1:30:18AQ Shipley:Chargers too. Jackson Dart, we got to play. Like that Jesse Minner defense. Those boys are on the stream.

1:30:24Pat McAfee:And same with Lou Anarumo's defense. On that note, Ty has a question for you, JJ.

1:30:31JJ Watt:Yeah, Jage, I mean, honestly, what the hell's going on with the Texans? You know, he'd hate to be going into week four and already kind of writing off a team, but some of the stats are coming out. All right. What? How could you not? Listen, some of the stats are coming out with CJ Stroud, and they're not exactly great, you know, comparing him to – is this guy basically just Anthony Richardson? Ty! Oh, okay. I didn't put that out. I didn't put that out. I'm saying that's out there. That's out there. So, you know, sure, do those people have a narrative? Maybe. Sounds like you were trying to push that narrative.

1:31:03JJ Watt:Not at all, because I love CJ. He's a Big Ten guy. He's a Big Ten guy. Don't let your voice go high. Don't let your voice go high. That's him telling the truth. Say it with your chest. He's telling the truth. He's a Big Ten guy, dude. RIP. So, I'm just curious. Where are we at right now with the Texans? Because their offense, I mean, it does. It doesn't look like anything we've seen during the C.J. Stroud era. Brother. No, it was obviously the first two weeks. I mean, you got the Rams and you got the Bucs, and they go down in their very tight, very close games against first in their division teams.

1:31:39JJ Watt:So those are very tough losses, but they're losses that you can look at and be like, yeah, those are two very good teams, and we played right down to the wire. When I got out of the booth this week when I was done calling the Steelers-Pats and I check my phone and I see that the Texans lost to the Jaguars, that's one where you're like, oh, okay, this is not what is normally happening. Because you kind of, after the first two weeks, you're like, all right, we're going to figure it out and get on track. And clearly didn't get on track this week. The offense is struggling, haven't gotten it going, so there has to be some form of improvement shown there.

1:32:14JJ Watt:And from what I'm seeing and what I'm reading, it sounds like the play-action game isn't quite there and it just hasn't developed this offensive scheme that they've wanted to develop this offseason when they brought in Kaylee hasn't quite hit the ground running the way that everybody expected it to from everything we've heard all offseason.

1:32:30Pat McAfee:All right, well, on that note, there's another team that's playing better ball than it's ever played before. Harder start than Peyton Manning. Danny Dimes here in Indianapolis. And then whenever you think about the defense, Louie and Rumo, they're balling all over the place. So, Jay, it's just not as fun when the rabbit has the gun here, huh? Remember, you had a couple years there where you had a little bit of fun. Remember you guys? Easy.

1:32:55JJ Watt:The years aren't over. It's week three here. Oh, buddy. It's week three. Oh, buddy. Who's the last team that was 0-3 to start that went to the playoffs? Us, I believe. Who was on that team? I know we did it. Hey, JJ Watt ain't walking through that door. CJ. Will Anderson is. Or is he?

1:33:14Pat McAfee:Or has he been?

1:33:15JJ Watt:Will Anderson's in that door. Daniel Hunter's in that door.

1:33:18Pat McAfee:I know. Daniel Hunter's a dog, too. Same with Will Anderson.

1:33:22JJ Watt:What's going on up in Indianapolis? Obviously, I'm not able to watch these games closely. Every week, I feel like I'm asking the same question. What is going on up there?

1:33:31Pat McAfee:You haven't been able to watch the game in its entirety. I hope you get a chance sometime to call a Colts game and you have to do your research. Danny Dimes knows everything that everybody on the field is doing. Everybody on the defense, he knows exactly what you're doing. Broncos blitzed him 76 % of the time. Had 114 point something QBR against the blitz. Knew everything that was happening at all times. Knows exactly where to go with the ball. And oh yeah, where's he going? We got weapons all over the place. Tyler Warren, he's your size. He's probably bigger. He's probably bigger than you. I think he's bigger than him.

1:34:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, there's no way he could have put those pants on to begin with, let alone blowing them out. You know, up there in that entirety. That little thing on his forehead, that's like, man, the biggest guy around type thing. A little caveman type of shit. Yeah, he looks like a Bigfoot, a Sasquatch, if you will. He wouldn't be able to put on Whitworth's jersey and get under that squat rack, not Tyler Ward. No, that thing would have been busting at the seams like your pants were if he was put that on. He's unbelievable, and he's always open. Jonathan Taylor just had three touchdowns. We like that a lot.

1:34:31Pat McAfee:Michael Pittman rolling. Josh Downs hasn't even really got started cooking yet. He will at some point. It's like we have –

1:34:37JJ Watt:Nate has like 340 yards rushing, doesn't he? He's crushing it.

1:34:41Pat McAfee:Yes, we are. and Danny Dimes. Might be the best quarterback of all time. No turnovers. It's unbelievable. No turnovers, one punt. It's been so much fun. That's crazy. It's been so much fun. Danny Dimes, though, commanding the shit is just very evident. You're talking about full control. We're doing this. We're checking to this. He's sliding in the pocket so comfortably. Could leave, doesn't. Find somebody, makes a big throw.

1:35:04JJ Watt:All right, so let's spin this thing all the way back then to the beginning of this conversation we just had. The New York Giants. They have a rookie quarterback. They had Daniel Jones for a long time. Now they're switching from Russell Wilson to, is this the situation where Daniel Jones was always this good? He just needed the time to develop? I mean, he did have a lot of time there. Let's not act like he didn't have a lot. The offensive line, Quentin Nelson's not a vocal leader. Yeah, he needed an O-line. Never had an O-line in New York. Like, even the guys that, like, it might, to your point, JJ, like, it might not even be New York's fault.

1:35:34Like, just some of the guys they drafted, some of the free agents they picked up, like, they just didn't work out. I remember when Nate Soldier went to the Giants after New England, and he was supposed to be their left tackle dominant for years, and it just didn't work out. And then Evan Neal, Bruce can attest, he's playing guard now, and he was supposed to be their guy. I think Andrew Thomas, when he was their first-round pick to play left tackle, I think he got hurt his rookie year when Dan Jones was still.

1:35:59Pat McAfee:Now, on that note, I think everything that Danny Dams went through was big for his development to get him here. I don't know what he's always been like. Obviously, I think he's always been super humble and probably a little bit not loving of the spotlight and everything like that. We get dropped into New York. But going through all that has to either kill you or make you much stronger, you know, one or the other.

1:36:18JJ Watt:I think it's just the uniforms look so much like Duke. It's just natural. He's just like, oh, I'm back in it. It's great. Who was his coach?

1:36:28Pat McAfee:David Cutcliffe. Who did he coach pretty personally? Billy Peyton Manning. Oh, is that right? And what is he doing now? He's starting better than Peyton Manning? Wow. Go ahead and start building a statue. Danny Dimes is going to be right next to Peyton. And they might as well have got Cutcliffe right up there with his clipboard and maybe a little bit of like a Pup Tier type thing. He's on a one-year deal there? I think it's two years. But he's certainly going to be looking to renegotiate after this one if everything goes the way it goes. He's making$14.5 million. $14.5 million right now. We are incredibly thankful and lucky that everybody said he was ass at football, including our own fans that did the athletics poll.

1:37:08Pat McAfee:They said we had no chance. And D-Bot was a part of that. And AQ Shipley was as well. Say sorry. And so were you, JJ. And I think AJ Hawk was as well. So everybody that's kind of in front of a microphone right now can say that they were a part of this guy's ass. The Colts stink. We're doing a full rebuild. There was one of us up here.

1:37:29AQ Shipley:I didn't believe. I got to throw Bruce under the bus to you. He didn't believe me. Oh, I can't get away from this guy. That's not true. I knew he'd win the job the second he got here. That was a fact. Unfortunately, he is on a one-year deal, though. I would. But that was our big thing. They have the team. So if Danny Dimes comes in and plays the way Danny Dimes has played, they're going to be unbelievable, and they have.

1:37:55JJ Watt:No, no, we didn't want him to play the way he was. I thought he was on a one-year deal. So he's on a one-year deal today, right now. what kind of contract would you re-sign him to today?

1:38:05Pat McAfee:Whatever he wants. $50 million. $55 a year.

1:38:08JJ Watt:Five years,$70 per.

1:38:09Pat McAfee:Whatever he wants. You've got to think about the whole culture of the entire building before and after he becomes our quarterback. And I know it's a lot of other positions and a lot of other people that obviously can change that, but like just so many

1:38:24JJ Watt:You're telling me there's one guy switched the whole building? Because last year you were on the culture of that building. And I was right. And I was right. And so he's the only one to change. He changed the whole thing.

1:38:37Pat McAfee:Can't buy him. Quentin Nelson. Moody comes in. Quentin Nelson becomes like vocal leader, you know, and he becomes good vocal leader. Michael Pittman, I think, feels even more empowered. Jonathan Taylor's playing his best ball. I mean, there is – it feels like there is just maybe a belief in what's going on. A belief in a chance to win. Yes, I think that is what it is. That changes everything. Like when you're losing, it's like – I mean, it's miserable to go to work. It's miserable to show up at the building when you know, hey, listen, we're going to be 5-15 in the first whatever it is. 20 games.

1:39:09It's preseason as well, brother. We can't even win a preseason out here, man. You get what I'm saying. But it's like the belief that you have when you know you have a guy back there that gives you a chance to win is everything. Yeah. It's everything.

1:39:22Pat McAfee:If you don't have one, it's a nightmare for all parties. Coaches, players, everybody knows it. And maybe that is why you sleep through a treatment back-to-back days. Sure. Maybe that is why you show up late to a team meeting, you know? That's what's good about Indy, you know? It's terrible not to have a quarterback. It's even worse to have a quarterback that makes like$150 million and you know he's never going to win a Super Bowl. That's probably worse. What are you talking about? I think Dimes is going to win a Super Bowl. I'm not talking about Danny Dimes. Danny Dimes ain't getting paid$150 million.

1:39:50I just think there's a couple guys out there that probably – He's 28 years old. He might get paid, and I'm not talking about two either, Gumpf, but there are definitely other guys out there, definitely, that maybe we just talked to very recently in the last few days, not publicly, and he wasn't the exact player. Maybe it was a coach, and we just find out things about players. I think having a situation like Indy, like even Pittsburgh, even the Giants isn't as bad as, hey, we just signed a guy to a five-year$250 million contract, and he probably won't get the job done, and that sucks.

1:40:26Pat McAfee:You're talking about whenever the next four years are just, we know we ain't got it. Kind of like what happened with Danny Dimes the first time where it was like, hey, we're going to pay Danny Dimes instead of Saquon. And, you know, Giants fans kind of all agreed, you know, Danny Dimes goes kind of as Saquon goes. So it's like hand in hand. Whereas like sometimes teams will win 10 games and they'll have a flash and they'll have a good season. Maybe they'll win a playoff game. And then you kind of have to pay that guy no matter what because he's proved it. but in the end when you lay your head down at night you know you can't win a Super Bowl with that guy well I hope that everybody that is a starting quarterback for the team that you're pulling for can win a Super Bowl for you absolutely with that being said Dane Dimes can and I'm excited that that's the case I don't even think he knows he's playing good right now I don't even know if Dane Dimes knows that I think he has no idea keep it that way every time I talk to him it's just yeah okay having a good time everybody's playing really good that's fucking right you haven't done shit let's move along to the next one I think his shins have taken such a beating that he's ready for it Indianapolis is the perfect place for him

1:41:36JJ Watt:I think it's the owner being on the sidelines I think just everybody's on their P's and Q's everybody's dialed dialed

1:41:43Pat McAfee:you're talking about Carly yeah Carly's down there trying to learn as much as possible obviously you're not going to be out of line especially when one of the big three can hear everything that's happening down there but she's trying to learn all the ins and outs of the program they also just built a playground yesterday downtown Indianapolis the Indianapolis Colts. The big three are giving right now. The big three are winning. They're undefeated. The big three are undefeated.

1:42:03JJ Watt:Have you ever put on those headphones? AJ, have you ever listened to the offensive play calls and everything? Even for me, somebody who's played 12 years, in preseason, I'd put on those headphones, listen to the calls, and I'll get a lot of information from them, but there's time where I'm lost what they're talking about on offense. and you get to hear them freak out it's fun to listen and hear the guys in the booth freaking out when you mention it to them what were you doing on the headset at that time they can get testy on those headphones for sure they talk a lot of shit they kill every player

1:42:42AQ Shipley:they're killing all of us that would be the tough part imagine BA on the headset what the fuck is he doing

1:42:49Pat McAfee:get him the fuck out of there Then he's got to click over to He said it was Ben Roethlisberger He was yelling on a different line He thought About Ben Roethlisberger being just trash And then he clicks over And Ben could hear everything he was saying Ben's looking at him Because he thought he was able to just Alright Ben you're doing a great job Like Ben heard the entirety I guess Alright Ben you're doing a great job He's like you were on the same I heard that whole thing Oh, no, that's not great. I wonder if they are tightened up down there, though. You know, they say, like, hard knocks makes everybody act right because you're kind of being watched.

1:43:29Pat McAfee:You know, if you're in a bathroom and there's more people in there, they say you're more likely to wash your hands if other people are in there watching you than if you're in there alone, you walk out. So maybe Carly on the headset is making everybody act their absolute best. I would hope not. I hope those guys are exactly the same way they are, whether she's on that headset or not. So you're saying people in there, people not in there, I'm not washing my hands. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Not even flush. What do you mean? We saw. He's not flush. We knew that. I mean, we knew what that answer was.

1:43:57Pat McAfee:All of us, right? Yeah, there was no question about it. You should see these new ones. You just put your hand out there, and it just shoots out soap all by itself. And then the air is actually on this side. You just put your hand over here, and it's just blowing air out of the wall. It's crazy. You should try it sometime. Nah. Washing your hands. I'm old school. All right. And down at the Texans, Jage, you're not dead on them? You don't think they're completely out?

1:44:18JJ Watt:No. No. No. Okay. Definitely not dead on them.

1:44:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, who are they playing this weekend?

1:44:25JJ Watt:Titans. You're out on them. They're laying seven against Tennessee. He doesn't even know. I have. Oh, yeah. Tennessee. Tennessee's going through some stuff. Tennessee's going through some stuff.

1:44:36Pat McAfee:So are you guys? I think you guys are going through. You just cut CJ GJ out of the middle of nowhere. What's that all about? What is that about? Yeah.

1:44:43JJ Watt:No, I will actually give Tennessee Jeffrey Simmons playing phenomenal football. Despite a tough start here, Jeffrey Simmons, phenomenal. football player.

1:44:50Pat McAfee:Just pivoted away from CJ GJ. Coach Callahan's starting to figure it out, too. It seems like in the press conferences, he's getting more and more comfortable. Just more and more at ease. Doesn't he? Yeah. God, that guy, it might be good for him to not have that job anymore. You know? Seems like a great guy. The head coach. Well, I guess calling plays is something that's going to change. Just the whole thing. It doesn't look like it's good for him. Have you seen the guy have an enjoyable moment? No. Absolutely. He hates his life. Not one happy. He's in Nashville.

1:45:23JJ Watt:He took the first step, Pat. He took the first step. First off, you relinquish the play calling duties, and then when that doesn't go well, you get the play calling duties back, and when the NAC doesn't go well, then you eventually get fired.

1:45:33Pat McAfee:Bo Horagry will be taking over the play calls, and obviously if it continues to go the way it's going, Bo Horagry will be fine. Exactly, which is why I kind of love this move. And I'd like to say Callahan.

1:45:46JJ Watt:They just jumped the O coordinator, though. That was the interesting part to me is the play calling duties did not go to the old coordinator. They went past him. That's a very.

1:45:57Pat McAfee:He likes that guy. Yeah, he's a little closer relationship. That guy's a dipshit. He's not called place. And Callahan's like, I agree. I can't wait to fire up. We need him to. Nashville's great. Yeah. He might be a college coach. I think he might freaking soar at like a UAB. Maybe UAB. Yeah. I think he might. I'm calling for Trent Dilfer. Dilfer's job? My Lord. Hey, shoot. I think Dilfer's more bored for the Florida or a Vod Tech. I think Brian Callahan, he starts at UAB, learns a thing or two about respect for people. He might fall high. Hey, Jage, why don't you hire Callahan to coach Espanol or maybe the Burnley boys after that Carroll City loss?

1:46:40Pat McAfee:I think that'd be good. He'll bring in some intensity. Sorry, Cardiff City. You get it. They come in there, and he'll get the boys fired up and intense. He's a great guy.

1:46:50JJ Watt:We had meetings with him two weeks ago. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. It's just they're not playing good football right now.

1:46:54Pat McAfee:He's miserable, huh? Everything. He said good guy, just absolutely miserable.

1:46:58JJ Watt:He seemed great. I mean, the meetings, he was great. He was positive. Obviously, saying all the right stuff. It's just they're just not playing good ball. Like what? Because seriously, I haven't seen one clip of this guy talking where I'm like, good guy. Whoa, geez. Not in the sense of like, I know. not in the sense of good and evil. It's a press conference. Sorry, not in the sense of good and evil, like good guy, more so in the sense of like, nope, that sucks. Every single time I see something at him. It is a lot of that. The coolest thing he's done, honestly, is when Will Levis came off the field and when he rolled the ball to the other team and Brian Callahan was like, what the fuck are you doing?

1:47:33I remember he got a sideline. Yeah, that was awesome. That was awesome.

1:47:36Pat McAfee:Also, he had a good promo about Cam Ward talking shit to the defense while calling a play and then giving it back. He was mind blown by it. I couldn't do that. I don't know how he does that. That's basically what he said. I mean, the Paul Korski thing I think is what really got me. He just ripped Paul Korski. What? That's what he said? I don't know what it means. I didn't even know if you were making a joke. I thought you were just telling the story. No, I think that's what he said. That's exactly what he said. He needs to win a game. He needs to win a game. It's tough to be happy when you're losing.

1:48:05Pat McAfee:I agree. You have to be bad. That was a part of why it was, for me, retiring from punting felt like an easy move because we were losing games. I had to be miserable. And it actually was miserable because, boy, it would be much better if we won. Like, everything would be better if we won. And it's like, as a punter, I have no say in that fourth quarter. We're down. All right, boys. Let's go, man. I need to have a good – let's have a happy week this week. Let's say this is all worth it. And then the ball just bounces the wrong way. We lose. And all of a sudden, you've got to be miserable. Okay, it's like, all right, that's certainly something.

1:48:34Pat McAfee:This is Callahan, though, every time he's in front of a microphone. Literally. This is him right here.

1:48:40JJ Watt:Yeah, I have zero disappointment in my play calling. I mean, I don't have any disappointment in that at all.

1:48:47Pat McAfee:Yeah, we're fucking 0-3, but it's not my fucking fault. My place? We appreciate Callahan.

1:48:53JJ Watt:I think your point right there is such a good point that people, like when they always ask, like, do you miss the game? Or like how's retirement and everything? I don't think people understand how miserable every single week after a loss is and how just by proxy of being retired and not having that experience. like yes the good days are always better but those weeks it is a full seven days of misery

1:49:18Pat McAfee:i couldn't even imagine you such a focal point of wins and losses having to feel that shoulder that you as well age that's crazy thing to think about and i'm happy i didn't have to do that i just by proxy had to be pissed because life isn't as good whenever we're not winning boys okay if everybody could kind of do their shit we'd be great let's go ahead and do let's maybe protect our quarterback. Let's think about doing that. This guy is really good at football. I don't know who I need to talk to here. I don't know who the person is.

1:49:49JJ Watt:Let me tell you what I'm seeing. Guys, let me tell you what I'm seeing from the sidelines over here. If we could maybe catch those balls, that'd be great.

1:49:57Pat McAfee:And these routes, I don't know, you're seemingly not as open as everybody else is. Need those to go a little bit better. I don't know how we get that. Defense, we need to wrap up. We got a lot of this happening. We need to start wrapping up. Boys, life is much better whenever we're all, mostly you guys, doing your shit. So if we could do our shit, that'd be great. All internal thoughts. Never say them out loud. That's right. What you say out loud is actually, let's go, boys. Let's go. Go, boys. Team game. Team game. I'm riding. I'm riding. Inside, though, it's a lot of, this guy is fucking terrible.

1:50:28Pat McAfee:Why is this guy? Why is this guy on the fucking team? What are we? I can't say that, though. That guy's much tougher than me. That guy's job much harder than mine. That guy much more important than me. so what I gotta do is hey next week bro come on man

1:50:42JJ Watt:I saw somebody's brother did that this week somebody's brother like posted on social media that a player on their team sucked and it was just like dude you just put him in the worst spot of all time in the locker room

1:50:55Pat McAfee:walking in there that's like when Odell's dad was putting together highlights of Baker Mayfield alright Odell go in there go see him Baker's not even looking at him I mean I'm putting out three highlights a week of this guy being ass, but why isn't he looking at my boy? It's like, man.

1:51:11JJ Watt:Just getting your eggs in the morning? Yep, good morning. Sorry, my dad. Sorry.

1:51:16Pat McAfee:Can you send your dad different plays? Like, I threw you the ball a couple times. Can you do that? My dad's crazy, you know. Just walk away. I don't know how you get through that. And then they get rid of a guy and now he might maybe leave his team to out of feed. Really good. Judge, you've been pitching a perfect game in that booth. We appreciate you doing that. Congrats to your Speniel team doing what they do. And your Burnley team. Come on, lads. Carroll City's the top side.

1:51:41JJ Watt:All right. Let's give Cardiff their credit. Cardiff. Cardiff. We got Man City on Saturday. That'll go well. You know what? I am so sick and tired of your ass. Fight him. Fight him? Please go on, Jage. I'll back down because every week your hair has gotten significantly better and it looks fantastic. I like what we're doing. That's positive. I will give you those props. Thank you.

1:52:12Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, that's first ball of Hall of Famer. I'll return it. I thought you were top five booth. I muted it five minutes in, but I've heard people love you, brother. How about that? Look at this. Put your swords down. That's fucking great. Five minutes here. That's a long time. Five minutes is a long time. That's the nicest thing I've I said to someone a long time, and he said it was mean, so I'm done with compliments. That's the last compliment I ever give. No, it's like when fatzos eat salad for the first time, and they have to poop, and they go, well, that's what my body's saying, not to eat the gym.

1:52:41Pat McAfee:Don't say that about that. I don't like it.

1:52:42JJ Watt:Just because he is doesn't mean we have to call him that name.

1:52:44Pat McAfee:No, I was talking about another story. He's calling him fatso.

1:52:47JJ Watt:Geez. No, you did. You did. You did. You did. I don't live in the gym. And guess what? In here, relatively, we got wavy. You literally live in a gym. It was going to be so funny. You literally live in a gym. That's a gym.

1:53:03Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Watt. Baby, JJ! Good positive experience for JJ. You were going to have such a good one there. There was going to be so good. There's about six that I've had on my tongue today that just haven't made its way out. That's going to happen. I love JJ. I'll tell you what, though. It's tough. JJ talks about being happy and being sad. It's like when his Burnley team loses to Carroll City. I know. And then you got Espanol doing his thing. that's like, how do you kind of conflict? What's the Cardiff? Is it not Carroll City? Why does it keep saying Cardiff? Who fucking cares? Oh, it's Cardiff City.

1:53:34Pat McAfee:It's Cardiff City.

1:53:35JJ Watt:Cardiff City legendary club. They've fallen on hard times. They go by Carroll City as well.

1:53:40Pat McAfee:I don't think so. We are pulling for Cardiff City. I apologize for the wrong name, but I like the big win after Burnley. Who knows what they're going to go do now. Yeah. Maybe get up to Division 2 and then 1A and then 1 up there. We'll continue for some reason. We appreciate you all. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Goodbye. Why? That felt like a good J.J. Watt. Good J.J. Watt. Just sat in the pocket there. No Burnley shirt on. Didn't want to bring attention. Had the Espanol hat on. USA Olympics. They'll talk about this. They'll talk about USA. Good fit. Talk about Espanol.

1:54:10Pat McAfee:Couldn't help but had to bring up Burnley. We've been following that team closer to anybody. Yeah. I think, Gage. Where are they in the season? Like, how many more games do they have? Now, on that note, we're covering them closer to anybody. We don't know. No, yeah. Two or three, I think, right? How many games into the season are we? Because we saw the Carabao Cup. Yeah, the Carabao, yeah.

1:54:26JJ Watt:They're about five in.

1:54:27Pat McAfee:And what's the Carabao Cup?

1:54:29JJ Watt:It's just the English teams, a bunch of divisions.

1:54:32Pat McAfee:Oh, so you're scared a lot of America, and I wouldn't want to enter Miami or Portland Timbers rolling around over there, too. Because if you want to care about soccer, you don't have the Carabao Cup.

1:54:39JJ Watt:I'll tell you what, I don't know if Portland Timbers are coming out alive against Cardiff City.

1:54:43Pat McAfee:Portland Timbers?

1:54:44JJ Watt:Yeah.

1:54:45Pat McAfee:You think Cardiff City could withstand the Pacific Northwest?

1:54:47JJ Watt:Cardiff City went into Turf Moor and took them down. That's the problem with Cardiff City, is that if the Portland Timbers went over to England and beat a team like Cardiff City, that city would burn down and they'd murder everyone on the team because they lost to an MLS team. So they actually, I think for safety purposes, cannot let an MLS team. A hot Portland Timbers team. Yeah, and respectively, I get it. Because, I mean, they'd probably beat the fuck out of Burnley. No. The Timbers this year, don't they have the guy?

1:55:17Pat McAfee:It would be a cagey affair for sure. Maybe for Burnley. I mean, we're talking about the Timbers. What about the Seattle Sounders? I forgot about them. Pacific Northwest Finest. Exactly. Exactly. And then that team down there in Atlanta, they're so good. They're united around. That way, America. And then up there in New England, they used to have a team. They sold that team, right? Well, they actually won't let the New England Revolution play there because they're scared we might take their country again. Oh, you're talking about in England? Yeah. That's crazy. Is the New England Revolution still a team?

1:55:44JJ Watt:They absolutely stink. So does Atlanta this season. Fuck, man! They're both near the bottom of the table.

1:55:50Pat McAfee:This is the year. We're at the bottom of the table right now?

1:55:54JJ Watt:No. No, you're close. Fuck off, dude.

1:55:57Pat McAfee:That's bull. You're in 11th of 15th. Well, is our guy out? Yeah, I think a whole lot of your guys are up. If our guy's out, then that changes a lot. And dead last is CF Montreal. That's good. We like that. And second to last, DC United. Okay. DC United. Wayne Rooney's former team?

1:56:15AQ Shipley:Remember the night? Of course. Of course. How's the inter doing this year? Inter, man. Are there fucking 100 teams in the MLS? Yeah, this isn't a real thing, right? This is not the list of teams in the MLS.

1:56:26JJ Watt:I thought there were six teams in the MLS.

1:56:28Pat McAfee:No, it turns out there's 30. Is there 30 teams? 30 teams? Yeah, 15 in each conference. That's 16 too many.

1:56:35JJ Watt:The hottest teams right now are LAFC and Vancouver White.

1:56:42Pat McAfee:How many are in that arena league that the boys come from? How many teams are in there? Eight?

1:56:46JJ Watt:I don't know. They just announced a new squad, actually. I don't know where it was.

1:56:51Pat McAfee:If there's eight teams in there, there are about six too many. What are we doing? No, what are you talking about? TSD is a good tournament filled with a lot of great players. We need the MLS. They're not 30 teams. What are we doing? Who are they playing with? FC Nashville. Remember, they're really good. Yeah. Pittsburgh Riverhounds, obviously, take it over. Sure.

1:57:10JJ Watt:Philadelphia, very good.

1:57:11Pat McAfee:And they have the young team. UC Salt Lake. FC Vancouver. Vancouver.

1:57:14JJ Watt:So Whitecaps actually got Thomas Mueller, legendary player from Germany. He's unbelievable. Who's he playing for? He's playing for the Vancouver Whitecaps. It's insane. Why? They're beating team 7-0 right now. What? In soccer? Yeah, he's scoring Hatties. It's insane. He's got a gambling problem. He's one of the greatest players of all time. Because why the hell is he still playing soccer in the United States?

1:57:38Pat McAfee:Let's get to it. Because he wants to. It's not in the United States. He's playing in Canada, actually, up there in Vancouver. which we obviously knew the MLS had such history in Canada. We knew that.

1:57:48JJ Watt:LAFC also got Sonny from Tottenham. He's like in his prime. He's scoring every game as well. The game is growing. What the fuck are these guys doing over here? They're playing soccer. Hey, boys, go back home.

1:58:02Pat McAfee:It's not fun here. What do you mean it's not fun? It's very fun. LAFC, they take on LA Galaxy. They have the LA thing. El Trafico. There it is.

1:58:11JJ Watt:El Trafico is always a banger. It's great. Always delivers. There's actually Inter-Miami plays tonight, actually. We don't have to do this, okay? It's September 24th. It's not freaking May 24th. What the fuck? All right, great.

1:58:24Pat McAfee:Let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side. Lane Kiffin will be joining us from Ole Miss. We need to get rid of at least 24 of those teams.

1:58:29AQ Shipley:Agreed. Come on, guys.

1:58:31Pat McAfee:I assume there's only like six or eight, maybe. What's that, AJ? I assume there's like six, maybe eight teams. I think we all thought that. Then we saw the table and we're like, that's a big table. What the hell? Massive league. Every team that you've ever heard of having a team still has it. Like, there's been no moving. There's been no moving on. There's only been adding. MLS up and to the right. More teams. More players. More explosivity. Throw the game. MLS soccer.

1:59:00Pat McAfee:We did soccer. Quadrant one. We did baseball. We did soccer. Yep. WNBA's got its playoffs.

1:59:08AQ Shipley:Yeah.

1:59:09Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah.

1:59:09AQ Shipley:A couple going down to the wire. Aces fever. If this goes in, Kelsey Mitchell's about to win MVP.

1:59:15Pat McAfee:Okay. Well, Vinyl's MVP? Yeah.

1:59:18AQ Shipley:Okay.

1:59:19Pat McAfee:There's already been an MVP.

1:59:20AQ Shipley:Yeah. Age of Wills.

1:59:21Pat McAfee:And we're very happy for her to win that again. Fourth ever. Fourth time. She's a great player. Fourth time. This is for Kelsey Mitchell, MVP of WNBA Finals. Okay. She's been leading the fever. Need to. A lot of injuries to the fever. Stephanie White's got them flying around. They should give her an extension. Big one. Now. How's the deal going? They were negotiating a deal and then we didn't hear anything. It's quiet.

1:59:45AQ Shipley:Maybe it's good. That is good. Yeah.

1:59:50Pat McAfee:Kelsey said sorry. The team will take the award.

1:59:54AQ Shipley:Okay.

1:59:54Pat McAfee:Good. That's how unified they are.

2:00:02Pat McAfee:Hello beautiful people and welcome back to our Hub of the Bone, the Thunderdome, on this Watt Wednesday, September 24, 2025. Hour 3 of the program begins right now. Football! He's the greatest sport on earth. This man is the nominee for the Pro Football Hall of Fame this year. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the father of 10, former president of Ohio, AJ Hawk. The Talks at the Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here looking incredibly cool today. Good fit today.

2:00:34Pat McAfee:Yeah. Literally from head to toe. Yes. Really crushing it. Getting covered up, obviously, by Tone Diggs' desk, who's actually over in Hammer. Don, Don. That's AP Tone. And nine-year NFL, or 12-year NFL vet and Super Bowl champion AQ Shipley is here. AQ, good to see you. AQ, you look fit. I look good. I've lost a little weight. You been getting after it again? I heard there was a little conversation off air about what you used to do to get in shape. AJ, you remember whenever he used to go into basements and fight rich dudes? You remember when that was happening? Yeah, I used to grapple in small amounts of clothing in the basement with some billionaires.

2:01:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, definitely shirtless, I think, was the thing. And then what I wore to Speedo, one of the first texts I got was from him. He goes, you should do jujitsu rolling in a basement, one of those. So we learned a little bit more about it all. You do look good. The man who's about to join us is an absolute icon in the football world. And tonight at 7 p.m., a documentary about him and his journey in his football life will debut. Here's a minute 39 of what you're about to witness. This might be the greatest sports documentary of all time. I saw something somebody sent me the other day. Someone was doing a story, and they're like, Lane Kiffin would be the most intriguing person to actually know the real stories of all the stops and all the interactions of what really happened.

2:01:47And I was like, that's probably true. Yeah, that's why we called you and wanted to do this. Have you examined why drama and turmoil is often around you? I think there's things in life that you do that you actually are really trying to go above and beyond to do the right thing, and it just doesn't work. Singing Rocky Top all night long after we beat Florida next year. It's going to be a blast. Guys, so get ready. Then there's things that you do that you make mistakes. I call them self-inflicted wounds. Lane, out of respect to Tennessee fans, you answered three questions for us. When you hire a snake, don't be surprised if you get bitten.

2:02:26There is just a perfect storm becoming this villain.

2:02:29Pat McAfee:He proved that he could lie out of both sides of his mouth. There's no arguments. Those are called ass-chewings. Where the f*** are you, Kiffin?

2:02:39AQ Shipley:Lane Kiffin, the youngest NFL head coach since the merger. I didn't hire the person I thought I was hiring. Wayne Kiffin is the Miley Cyrus of college football. He has very little talent, but we simply can't keep our eyes off of him. When people don't want to like you, does that bother you? It didn't used to bother me. As I've gotten older now, I just would like to change that narrative. So how do you do that? Three, two, and one.

2:03:12Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a former Fresno State quarterback and a guy that we're about to learn a lot about tonight. Three-time national champion, now the head coach at Ole Miss, ladies and gentlemen, Lane Kiffin. Yeah, Lane! How are you, coach? Awesome. Thanks for having me, Pat. Hey, sorry we made you wait there a little bit. Boys had to dump during the break, and then obviously we got a chance to run one of the greatest trailers I've seen for a documentary in a long time, which leads me to ask this. Was it emotional going back through all of it, and how long have you guys been shooting this for release?

2:03:43Pat McAfee:It feels like it's very in-depth. yeah they did it this summer with me just you know over a day or two and then i think they went to other people after that so i've never i've actually not seen it so that trailer is the only thing i've seen like you've seen so um it is kind of really unique to see that and you see your kind of life play out because you've been through so many things and um so i should be interesting you know reliving it all is interesting you know like uh i've talked to a couple people that should have documentaries and i ask them like are you ever going to do a doc absolutely not why i've already lived it once i don't want to do it again that's a whole thing that has to take place i'm assuming with some of these things and you admitted it there in your interview that you did this summer that they didn't sit down where it's like i've made some mistakes self-inflicted wounds through it all has that perspective changed you this season do you think you've noticed a change since doing the documentary about yourself and how has it been trying to become the lane kiffin that you want to be basically through it all that you kind of mentioned at the end there about changing the narrative?

2:04:42Yeah, I really didn't know it was going to be that big a deal, Pat. It sounds probably crazy, but, you know, people come in a lot of times and do interviews or podcasts. And so I just agreed to it and then kind of realized it was a lot bigger once it started going. So, you know, my hope is that it helps people. It helps people that are struggling or people that are going through things. They don't understand why. And so I think what it does is it shows a path that goes a bunch of different directions and things that I thought were good that maybe weren't and things that I thought were horrible that weren't bad either.

2:05:15And so I kind of learned to try to reserve judgment when situations happen of what's good and bad and see what they are later. So I hope it helps people because what I did when I set out four or five years ago on this change was I want to be the best version of myself. I kind of figured my parents didn't have a lot of time left. And so I felt like I owed that to them. And then obviously my children and family and players. And so I just really worked on how can I be the best version of myself to give to everybody. And I think that's very different than how I was living, where before I was living about what did everything give to me?

2:05:50And so I think that's really where the change is. And still I've got to continue to work on that all the time.

2:05:57Pat McAfee:I love that. I can't wait for that message. And I'm excited that there's inspiration out there for a lot of us that maybe want to change who we are or be the best version of ourselves but are scared or maybe self-sabotage. I assume there's a lot of potential those thoughts that you're still battling every single day that you talk about. Just know that we've all noticed your skin looks immaculate. Yes, it does. You have a good glow about you, and it feels like your teams are benefiting from the way that you're going about living your life now, which leads to this weekend. Huge one. I mean, absolutely huge one this weekend.

2:06:26Pat McAfee:How do you feel about this year's squad? And there was an announcement of the starting quarterback, I believe, just moments ago. Right, Tone? This just got announced that for the third straight week, you'll have uh trinidad chambliss and ferris state quarterback i believe uh that was announced i'm not 100 sure if you made that decision publicly or not but how do you feel about this year's team well that's good to know that'd be news to me that the starting quarterback's been figured out okay so that has not been announced i'll go down and tell our staff right here okay so it's not broken that that trinidad's our starting quarterback so So, no, we haven't made that decision yet.

2:07:03I do think we have a good team. We've done some good things, and both those quarterbacks are really, really good players. So it's exciting to have them both. This is a huge challenge for us. I think that this LSU roster defensively is by far the best they've been in a long time. They've done a great job. As Brian Kelly alluded to, they spent a lot of money in the portal in the offseason, and it showed up. I think you're seeing that in college football. You know, I think numbers have shown, you know, Miami, Texas Tech, and LSU spent the most money in the portal. And look how they're performing.

2:07:32You know, this is a brand new defense at a lot of spots. And they're really talented, really good, and that's why they're the third team in the country.

2:07:40Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's fun to watch Louisiana kind of go. But it's also great to see your team ride every time. We're happy that you guys are back in national prominence, mostly because we're all fans of you, brother. That's why I'm excited for the documentary to learn even more about you. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Coach, going back, you mentioned, you know, what, four or five years ago, you started working on yourself and being the best you. How has that affected you as a coach, like day to day? I would imagine relationships with players, parents, everything would grow through that. But are you able to enjoy coaching more now?

2:08:09I feel like we see my coaches are just miserable, miserable, and then I'm relieved when I get a win. Like, it seems like a very tough profession. But how has it changed you, I guess, as you've gotten older? Yeah, I think people that come around here have mentioned that, you know. um at a sideline report last week said you seem like the most relaxed coach right before the game of all the sec coaches um and i think i've worked on that a lot but i think working on myself and being this version of myself has allowed me to just get into a space with myself in relationships with players and coaches and people that i just couldn't access before if that makes sense yes

2:08:46Pat McAfee:absolutely more relatable yeah a little bit more of a human probably here yeah yeah not not as transactional not as hey i'll get you to the nfl here's the plays that help you win versus hey how are you doing in life like how can we help you all around and so i just think that that that has helped and it's not i didn't do it to help it just it's helped it's created more genuine relationships and um i don't know that that has to do with winning and losing i really don't care if it does um i just like living that way a lot better yeah i'm assuming it's much more fulfilling watching the boys grow their relationships and then seeing them have massive amounts of success.

2:09:25Pat McAfee:You, obviously, we've seen everything you've done because of the football royalty that you're from. Your dad, we believe, we're like, I think 100 % sure, 99 % sure, created like the Tampa 2, obviously, in the entirety, whenever you talk about football and what that did to change the trajectory of the sport as a whole, especially defensive football. You, obviously, on the offensive side, is that very young that you're like, I'm going to be a genius on the offensive side? Was there ever a time where there was a thought of maybe I'd continue the defensive mastermindness of life? And how do you feel about the way you go about running your offense?

2:09:58Pat McAfee:The number we got is a third of your passes are explosive plays. That number is outrageous. The 33 % of your throws are longer than 20 yards down the field. They're completions down the field. So how did we get to this offense? And why did you choose offense, I think, with who your dad is, is the questions that I have. Yeah, I think playing quarterback helped me move that direction. But I've been so fortunate in that because I was raised with my dad. So I learned defense from him and I was always listening to the problems that teams and schemes gave him. Then I went to Pete Carroll for six years as an assistant for him.

2:10:35So I got to listen to him. Then I went to Nick Saban. You're talking about three of the greatest defensive minds ever. That one I was raised with. The other two I spent nine years combined with sitting in meetings where they were talking about what gives them problems and just kind of kept all that information and then created this offense and then added the tempo part to it, kind of the Baylor style when Art Bryles came to us at FAU. And so that's where we are now. And like you said, the explosive plays I think pays off. I think we led the country in plus 30-yard plays last year and first again this year.

2:11:08And obviously that has a lot to do with great players too.

2:11:10Pat McAfee:Yeah, but, I mean, you're fun to watch too, sprinting your ass down the sideline. You get excited. Throw an oops to the boys this past weekend. I mean, we love. You guys are an exciting brand of ball, which I think is why we're all so pumped at Ole Miss all the way back. Now, at the quarterback position, there's a lot of questions, especially with an announcement that was just made for the New York Giants. Go ahead, D-Bud.

2:11:29AQ Shipley:Yeah, Jackson Dart, obviously he's in a big city right now. He'll be starting his NFL career, being a starter this week. But how do you kind of balance? You're at a program where people and quarterbacks are going to come and try to win a national championship. How do you balance winning on the college level and developing these quarterbacks for the next level? Yeah, our system really has a lot of NFL elements in it offensively for them. Protections, routes, different runs and stuff. We just happen to go really fast. And I think over time, defensive coordinators have said that. including coach Saban that what Ole Miss does, what this system does is it gives you problem plays, but goes really fast also.

2:12:10And so I think that's helped our quarterbacks play really well. It's awesome for Jackson. Sounds like that's an official announcement of a starter.

2:12:19Pat McAfee:Hold on. There was another. Now granted, if he ends up starting, I'm going to count it. Yeah. On three was reporting this. So it wasn't us that did this. I just want to let you know. And I have respect for it. It's got to be official. It's somewhere on Twitter. So that's why. You got it. That's absolutely right, yes. Jackson was awesome for you guys. Watch him run. I think he got definitely concussed that one game against Florida, I think it was, if I recall. He's tough, athletic. The boys love him. I guess the moxies through the roof. Feels like we need that as a Lane Kiffin quarterback. Is that something you look for, the personality, the type of guys that you have on your team?

2:12:56Pat McAfee:Is there moxie confidence levels that you kind of either attract or look for whenever you're deciding who's going to be on Ole Miss? There is. It doesn't have to be because there's all kinds of different personalities that can be great quarterbacks. I do really enjoy that relationship with Jackson Dart when you find somebody that really commands the team in the locker room and is enjoyable to be around. Even though we get older as a coach, we still like hanging out with people. And so, you know, you have an alpha male like that. That's a great guy. It comes from an awesome family. Like, it's great to hang out with, too.

2:13:34You know, we go. I beat him. But, you know, we go and play pickleball together. You know, we've taken trips together. So it was a really cool relationship and still is. I actually have a bye, and I think they're playing at the Saints. So maybe I can go see him play. But he's awesome. I talk to him every week.

2:13:51Pat McAfee:You're a pickleball player? You're a good pickleball player? Yeah, yeah. I don't know that I'm good. I have a really good partner. So that helps. Yeah, but so you just hide out? You just serve and then hide out and then the partner's taking all the kitchen work or what? It depends. Sometimes we play a one-one stack. You know, like if we're down a little bit, I put the great player and then you just play behind, kind of fit off of him, you know, like a safety off of a great linebacker. Where do we play at? Do you guys have like a little spot there at Ole Miss? Are you at a club? Are you at a pickleball?

2:14:18Pat McAfee:Is there pickleball clubs? I guess there probably is at this point of this entire thing. Not in Oxford, Mississippi. but we have a court right on campus right here man we just go play with the people that's part of this whole Mississippi change you know like and and really when I say you don't know what to expect and what the plans are and and I had never thought man I'm gonna love to live in Oxford Mississippi that's where I want to go and I would have told you the opposite when I was in LA or in South Florida probably and now I love it here and so sometimes you need a place to slow you down.

2:14:53Pat McAfee:Yeah, the universal guide you. You know, they'll put you in there, especially if you're going to be doing some Pilates. You know, I see you stretching that lower back, getting a downward dog in. That looked like it's a great time. There's a, you said if it's on Twitter, it must be official. We saw something from your Twitter, okay, that we were all taking as official. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, coach. I love the stuff on Twitter. I'm really pumped for the over this weekend. Go Rebels all over it. But one of my favorite parts is actually on Twitter when you and your shenanigans, if you will, during SEC media day.

2:15:26What's your favorite part about fucking with Feinbaum? Because I love it. And it's kind of the best content usually out of those media days over those couple weeks. What is kind of the overarching fun for you in it? Well, I enjoy the Paul part. Actually, in that preview that you guys just showed, Paul says the Miley Cyrus of college football. you know like and and he's taking a shot at miley cyrus too like that miley cyrus isn't good so i still say to him i'm like you know miley cyrus still doing pretty good so your comment didn't really like make a lot of sense at all and um so but you know now paul's like the expert on everything and so it's all right it's kind of um it's it's enjoyable when i'm on with him and he just freezes and he like gets stuck so i really i really enjoy that plus he used to be mad he used to be terrible to coach Saban so I kind of feel like I got to get coach Saban's back too how do

2:16:22Pat McAfee:you feel about coach Saban man I'm getting a chance to work with him I love him this guy is unbelievable he's unreal in every setting that I see him dinner setting is unreal production meeting is unreal talking to the coach he's unreal sitting with us he's unreal leadership advice it's like every setting that I've seen him in he's like a machine of just like what the perfect thing to do is I couldn't imagine coach with him you know in that trailer they talk about Those are ass-chewings, okay? We ain't – this ain't an argument. This ain't a two-way street here. This is a one-way road. Obviously, you give him a lot of credit you just did there.

2:16:54Pat McAfee:What did he mean to your career? And is that going to be showcased, you think, during this documentary? Again, I haven't seen it, but they said he interviewed him for it. But he was awesome for those three years to give me that opportunity to come work for him. Again, think about those defensive coaches I said I got to be around. I got to be the offensive coordinator for a national championship Alabama Nick Saban team and USC national championship teams. Like, that's unbelievable to have those opportunities to learn from. And I just take a lot of both Pete Carroll and Nick Saban, what they did, and have kind of combined it to what we are here.

2:17:29Like, we're kind of a real combination of both. Go ahead, AJ. I guess throughout all your different, you know, coaching gigs that you have had, And I know coaches obviously are always moving around, but you've had so much different experience, NFL, college, all over the place. I guess, were you always, you know, paying attention, taking notes, building your book of what you're going to do, like, as a head coach, wherever that may be, even no matter, you know, some places worked out better than others. But you have so many things to – so many great coaches, I guess, to rely on. Were you always taking things and writing them down?

2:17:58Like, how do you remember these things that maybe Nick Saban said 15, 20 years ago? Yeah, I think just a lot of experiences with them. And then when things come up, I do it all the time. I'll have a situation come up, decision to make, and I'll go, okay, Coach Carroll would have done this. Coach Saban would do this. And so it's just awesome experience to draw back to of being with those guys and really young with Coach Carroll. And so you go through experiences, and then you get these head jobs at a really young age. And so those are experiences, too, because you screw a lot up. And, you know, I say to people, think how much better you'd be as a parent the fifth time around.

2:18:33Well, you had a lot of head jobs, and so the fifth time around, and you get a lot better if you learn from your mistakes. So I think that's kind of what I feel like has happened in my life and with coaching.

2:18:45Pat McAfee:I think you were ahead of the curve whenever you sent Janikowski out there for a 76-yarder or whatever it was. It's like they're doing that now. Now guys are going out there for 66, 70 yards. I think you were ahead of the curve. And the confidence you showed in the Polish canon is an absolutely beautiful thing. I love that you did that. And I hope that has a little piece of the documentary tonight. Like, Seabass didn't hit that one clean. But if he would have, that thing would have been good, I think, Lane. I still think it was the right decision. See, sometimes we're just ahead of the curve. They just aren't ready for it yet.

2:19:15And he had made that in practice. And like you said, I've always been, I'm going to believe in the players. We go for more on fourth down than anybody. We run all these plays. That's not just out of nowhere. It's because we believe in the players. And we put on, hey, we know you can make these plays. And I think that's why a lot of people come play for us.

2:19:34Pat McAfee:You can make this, right? 76? Got a little wind in the face? That might be a little tough. Actually, Leckler, the punter, is the one by me and goes, hey, we got this, coach. And I'm like, all right, Shane, sure. Shane's up for the Hall of Fame yet again. I hope he gets in there. Goat, I love everything about him. 76-yard field goal. It's 15-0. Is that five field goals? Would this have been the sixth field goal of the half? No, but it might have been. Could you imagine Sebastian Jankowski as the greatest half in the history of a kicker? This one comes up a little short. Then I'm like, oh, shit.

2:20:13There goes the returner.

2:20:14Pat McAfee:Yeah. Yeah, but the big play was made. Yeah, Shane would have made the tackle for you. Shane would have made the tackle for you. All right, let's go over to him. I could feel Al Davis up in the press box going, it's returned, this coach. I'm firing this coach. I think he'll fire me the next week anyway. hold on you were left on a tarmac too what was that usc is that real i wasn't left on the tarmac that just it sounds better when you say tarmac we landed and then the ad in the airport right there in a side room met with me and i was actually on the bus going back to the facility at usc because they sleep at the office back then and get ready for the next game and i and he called me it It was like 3 o 'clock in the private airport there.

2:20:59And that's where he told me.

2:21:01Pat McAfee:So he showed up a little bit late. Where's he at? He's already on the bus. We didn't want that. He'd get me off the bus. I had no idea. You're sitting in front seat there? Yeah. Which is why I was upset at Feinbaum, because that day is the day Feinbaum, it's like his first time on game day. He must make this big splash. Which, remember, he was a Tennessee guy, so he hated me for leaving Tennessee. So here was his chance. So he does this whole Miley Cyrus thing. and the AD and president are watching it like, well, we probably got to get rid of this head coach if it was like Miley Cyrus. They get rid of me that morning at three in the morning, whatever it is.

2:21:38So, and now I can look back and say, hey, Paul, thanks. Because if you wouldn't have got me fired there, I would have never got to Nick Saban.

2:21:43Pat McAfee:And then Nick Saban leaves down to South Florida where you start doing your thing. And then all of a sudden we're at Ole Miss. And now your name's up for everything, everywhere, all the time. And we're thankful that you're back at the top. Let's go to Hammer. Time. Time. AP Tone has a question for you.

2:21:57JJ Watt:Yeah, Coach, you don't mind taking jabs at other SEC coaches on Twitter or interviews. Who's your favorite SEC coach to take jabs at? And do you play more pickleball or does Hugh Freeze play more golf? I think Hugh Freeze plays a lot more golf. And pickleball is like 30 minutes over here, you know, like we go over and play. And it's kind of bonding too. Staff we play, players play with the players sometimes. me and one of our coaches beat our two receivers the other day come on you're beating the boys I don't know what coach I don't know what coach you know Jimbo's gone now so

2:22:39Pat McAfee:alright last question Harold Perkins obviously an absolute monster on the LSU defense Whit Weeks is a beast we all know that we know he is an absolute beast How are you preparing for this LSU defense? What are the thoughts? Well, these guys are really good, as you said. Those are two great, phenomenal players. Good men, too, from what I've been told. Yeah, Perkins has got to be the fastest linebacker we've seen in a long, long time. Like, this guy's like Derek Brooks or something. I mean, he chases people down. It's unbelievable, his skill set. We played him as a true freshman. I thought for sure by now he'd be gone as the fifth pick of the draft somewhere or something.

2:23:23So it's really challenging. They do a great job. They're really well coached. And now they've got the secondary better with these three new pieces they went out and bought. And so this is big time now.

2:23:35Pat McAfee:It certainly is. We can't wait to watch your team. We're incredibly proud of you, even though we don't know you, for everything that you've gone through and where you've gotten today. We can't wait to watch tonight. Alongside you, I guess, you're going to be watching. Whoa. I couldn't even imagine the anxiety potentially leading up to what 7 o 'clock is going to bring. but maybe you don't even have that anymore because it's the new lane kiffin we'll learn about that tonight no i really don't i mean i'll be here working actually and um and someone asked me about that and they said and i said i'm not worried because when you're genuine and real in the interviews and everything whatever people take is what they take you don't have to worry about anything so um there's no anxiety about it yeah and i'm not gonna add there's more anxiety about this lsu defense i can promise you that okay as there has to be i mean the boys are flying around they got a six foot five safety i think or in a six foot three corner you talked about uh pieces being bought which is incredible which actually leads to what is your thoughts on the current state of college football i guess we should we ask this to everybody what are your thoughts on it obviously you have to adapt evolve you have to lean into it if you want to have success what's everybody's rules what are how do you feel about as a guy who's been around for so damn long yeah i don't like it for college football at all i mean i don't think there's anybody that that thinks it's a good thing that that players are playing at four or five teams you know in college and so i don't like that i don't like that it doesn't have the same camaraderie in the locker room because you know everyone chose to go there grow up wanting to go to the school where so many players are now which is fine but they choose to go to school because it pays them more money they don't they didn't grow up a fan of it so i don't like that part of it and and it gives the kids away whenever things aren't going well i just go in the portal and I leave.

2:25:18So there are good parts of it for the players. It's great that they get paid, but I don't think it's really good for college football that there's so much movement.

2:25:26Pat McAfee:Feels like everybody's saying the same thing. Have a great season. Good luck. And you're one of the most influential voices in the sport, so keep saying it, brother. Keep saying it. All right, guys. Have a great week. Thanks for having me. Hey, thank you for joining us. We should do this again. Yeah, this is my first invite ever. That's not true Lane that is not true You know that There's my SID He just said it's true That guy's coming I think I've even tried to come on You guys are like yeah we got bigger people Bigger than Lane Kiffin That's bullshit Ladies and gentlemen For the first time SID sucks Kyle Campbell

2:26:13Pat McAfee:he's a Campbell yeah yeah same last name he still sucks he's great we appreciate the hell out of you good luck with everything thank you for joining us and congrats on finding who you're supposed to be throughout this entire life process ladies and gentlemen the head coach at Ole Miss Lane Kiffin crazy life that's going to be great that trailer was awesome we have pitched things like this by a lot of people you know like hey here's a trailer for a documentary we're doing do you want to talk to the person hey here's a trailer for a documentary you want to talk it's a very cool stage of this show having that kind of show up that is much better than having to which we still have to do every single day it's a fucking process you know and you'll take care of it as soon as that trailer came through just because of my age and i think our age like we have lived lane kiffin's yeah entire thing so for him sitting down and chit-chatting about it like Very excited.

2:27:04And McGee is the one doing it.

2:27:06Pat McAfee:Now we're talking, AJ. I mean, when I saw McGee pop up in the trailer, you knew it was going to be great. But most people don't. I mean, I forget a lot of Lane's, the things that happened with Lane and the tarmac and the Raiders gig. Like Lane has lived a colorful life as a coach and he's only 50 years old. Like the dude, it's going to be great. I can't wait to see this. His football life has been in dog years. Like, absolutely. You know, for Tennessee, we see that with the Florida thing. Then show him, nope, that ain't going to happen. then leaving in the middle of the night sea i don't want to do it usc then usc becoming the tarmac story i was actually way off the tarmac i got through the through the fbo they probably gave him a little food actually a little snack got onto the bus sat down on the bus and then i was called back off of the bus back into fbo back in the private room then i was fired but i guess there was a tarmac at some point in that entire thing that ran with it and then his resurgence in the college ball all the rumors all the stories yeah i mean it's just one thing after another Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin.

2:28:03Pat McAfee:And then now it feels like he's very content. Yeah. It feels like he's very content. He'll be there for the next 25 years. That's how it feels. Never would have said I wanted to live in Oxford, Mississippi. Never would have said that. Jeez Louise, could you imagine? And he said, I get here. Turns out I needed this place. I love this place. His name is up for a job on a regular basis. There's one, Panhandle over there, the Gaitis. His name is up all the time for the Florida Gators. Anytime there's a thought that the Gators might be up, It's like Lane Kiffin. Really? Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. And then people are like, Lane loves Florida.

2:28:36Pat McAfee:There's always like that whole thing. Seems like he's pretty happy with everything going on at Ole Miss. He's a rebel. He's very comfortable. And does he have the backing? He has to. All the players he has. He has to have money down there. Yeah, they've lost a couple. I mean, they lost Judkins.

2:28:50JJ Watt:They are. They're still in one, though. They are traditionally one of the highest spenders in the portal each season. What were you shaking your head for, Todd? Maybe now. I was just thinking NIL, though. I don't think Ole Miss. When I think SEC, Ole Miss isn't one of the first four teams I'm thinking of. Okay, who are they? Georgia, for sure. Bama. Bama. Texas. LSU. Oklahoma. I mean, I don't know if Oklahoma's up to A &M.

2:29:16Pat McAfee:You're thinking of A &M before Ole Miss right now?

2:29:18JJ Watt:In terms of money?

2:29:19Pat McAfee:Yeah. No, I'm not. Sorry. No, just name recognition. Yeah, I didn't know you were talking about money. I thought you were saying name recognition. Oh, no, but same deal. I think Ole Miss above a couple of those schools, you said. Name recognition? For money, I think. I think some of those schools don't have a lot. Oh, for money. Yeah, for money. We're talking about money, right? Right. Yeah, I think there's a couple of those schools that maybe over the next 10 years, we'll see what ends up happening.

2:29:45JJ Watt:Yeah, and like I said, I could be wrong. And they've been good throughout his tenure, obviously, and they need to kind of make that next step and get to the playoffs. But they're still, I feel like, in the SEC, kind of always on the outside looking in.

2:29:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, the SEC coaches and people are talking about how much money the North has. A lot of money being talked about from the North, AJ. And all the North used to talk about is how much money the South used to give to everybody. That is kind of what the – that used to be the convo. Now it's completely flipped. We can't keep – what are we – what are we – these guys got to see billionaires. What is this? What is going on up here? And then the North was like, oh, it was fun, wasn't it? Whenever nobody was allowed to do it. But everybody was doing it. That's literally the two conversations taking place.

2:30:26Pat McAfee:I love that Lane Kiffin's back in the spotlight. Ladies and gentlemen, let's spotlight something that doesn't get spotlighted enough. Let's spotlight the big guys. It's time to go in the trenches with the top five performing offensive lines from week three of the NFL season. Thank you. Let's go, Coach. Here we go. Number five. Number five, the Washington Commander. Whoa. Marcus Mariota, quarterback. Marcus Mariota, and they did not skip a beat with him in there. And if you take a look at this, look who's over there, right tight end. Who is that? 78. Carmi Tunsil. What? Move him over, and they only got a tight end over here.

2:31:02They're doing all the same stuff they do with Jaden Daniels. They do not skip a beat with Cliff Kingsbury at the helm calling plays, and this guy in there, Marcus Mariota at quarterback. It's the same offense. They had over 200 yards rushing. Rookie Connerly Jr. against Max Crosby. He only gave up one sack, and it was late. Really good group. Really good group.

2:31:20Pat McAfee:That looks pretty easy for Marcus Mariota. Yeah, wait. If Tonson's at right tackle, who's the caboose at left tackle? The left tackle is huge. That's left guard. Who the hell? Oh, left guard. Yeah, they had tackle over, bro. You know who that is? That's Chris Paul. They had two new guards in this game, too. Chris Paul played left guard, and Nick Allegretti, who came over from the Chiefs, was out, and they played Andrew Wiley. So, whole new unit and still. Okay, question for you. AJ Hawk, what are the percentages of tackle over and then running the opposite way? I assume a defense thinks you move Laramie Tonson over there for a reason.

2:31:51Pat McAfee:we're obviously going heavy we're going left left left close close close what are you doing and then for them to go the back way is that just not expected that's what cliff kingsbury's doing here yeah and you read that end too if you run it back who's the end was it 51 right here he's unblocked and you're reading him so watch the bluff by the tight end oh here we go he doesn't know what to do like who am i supposed to take if i'm that dn good luck great but yeah and this also sets up for when they do want to run to that overload side you're like it's good to show this for a defense because they can't just load up and say all right they're running to tonsil not just against the Raiders, we're talking about for the next three, four weeks, too, running this week, right?

2:32:25Absolutely, because this thing, when you run a play, it stays on tape for four weeks. You've got to prepare for it. There's another play I wanted to show, but he fumbled late and gave up the ball, but they had guard and tackle pulling left, guy in motion going right, tight end coming back across. The defense was in a blender, just stuck, and then Marcus Mariota out in front. The whole defense went left, and then he just follows his two tight ends. They're doing some really cool stuff.

2:32:48Pat McAfee:Feels like there's some play designers and play callers that can make offense linemen better. The Washington Commanders number five coming out of week three. Who's the number four ranked performing offensive line of week three? The Minnesota Vikings. Congratulations to the Vikings. And let's start with big number 71. Christian Derrissaw is back from his ACL injury. Watch it again. We talk about making it easier for guys, right? We're going to send Hawkinson through. Derrissaw looks like he's just walking. All he's doing is sealing Trey Hendrickson right there. Opens up the hole. Donovan Jackson, big number 74, the rookie out of Ohio State.

2:33:19Let's take a look at him. Put his guy on his ass. And then let's look at Brian O 'Neal on the backside. Big number 75. Pro bowler out of Pittsburgh from Delaware. Driving his ass on the ground.

2:33:30Pat McAfee:O 'Neal out of Pittsburgh. He's not scared to get rough and tough out there. Kevin O 'Connell one of those guys that helps out the offensive line? He does a fantastic job. All the guys that come from the McVay system, they understand. Cliff Kingsbury, McVay, Kevin O 'Connell. All these guys understand that when you make it easier, you're not running your head into a brick wall like half the guys in this league. AJ, who should we be talking about? Look at the center, 65. Look how fast he gets up to the second level. Here we go. All right, here we go. Good luck. Run through my body if you want to get to this guy.

2:33:57It's so annoying when centers get up to the second level that quick. All right, man. What am I going to do here? Does a great job wheeling his hips, too, and hooking them at the end there.

2:34:06Pat McAfee:Minnesota Vikings, number four. Congrats to them. Who's the number three ranked offensive line coming out of week three? The best team in the NFL, the Buffalo Bills. Best team, too. I like that. Number three offense line. Here, let me set this up real quick. So they're going to make it look like they are running zone to the right. If you notice, they got back offset to the left, fullback offset to the right. They're going to make it look like they're running zone to the right and sending Jackson Hawes back across. But guess what? They're running same side counter, making it easy on the tight end, coming back across, seal them, fullback around.

2:34:44Two tight end or tight end fullback coming back on the counter. Pretty awesome stuff. Just easy yards, you're saying. What are the Finns doing? This is what you do. This is how you do it. Look, they get him crashing down because he thinks it's zone away, and it's same side counter coming right back to him.

2:34:58Pat McAfee:AJ, what are your thoughts on what the Dolphins are doing? What are they reading? What are they misreading, pal? Well, I don't know. You put him in. It makes it tough, too, because the tight end's coming back, so he's diving under the DN number two there. He's diving under. Next time, you might bluff him and go around, and we're going to keep it and go outside. So whatever you choose, whether to dig it out or try to box it, you might be screwed. So many quick. Well, they're slanting. Look at the whole D-line slanting down. That's the thing. You're running that right into that slanting D-line. You see both of them crashing down.

2:35:22Good luck. That's a good time to call that play.

2:35:25Pat McAfee:So many quick decisions have to be making. Then we got DBs making tackles on running backs. I know you guys love that.

2:35:30AQ Shipley:Don't love that. That ain't what we get paid for. That's what we get paid for. To get our guy to that guy. Exactly. Good coaching.

2:35:37Pat McAfee:All right, who's the number two offensive line in the NFL out of week three? Yeah! All right, coach. I don't love the two up there. Runner up? Thought there may be a different number, but I like that they're getting recognized for the second time in three weeks. Number two is pretty good. Let's start with that vocal leader you keep talking about. I keep talking about Quentin Nelson. Let's watch this single with him and Bordellini up to the backside backer. And then let's take a look at Tyler Warren. Supposed to go downhill. Scoot outside. Right shoulder. Make a move. Spin. See you later, boys.

2:36:08Off to the house. The boy's a player. Yeah, that's what we do around here.

2:36:11Pat McAfee:Michael Pittman getting something late, too. I like that downfield. Quentin Nelson and Bordelini are paisans quickly. It seems like they're on the same page. Is there anything different with this offense than there was last year, or is it just more to this offense than there was last year? I mean, Tyler Warren gives you that added element. Like, even right here, like, obviously he's in tight end. Sometimes he lines up at fullback. There's so much stuff he can do. And in this case right here, when you look at this from the very beginning, he's supposed to hit through straight ahead, right through that B gap.

2:36:38But then he recognizes it and doesn't just run into his tackle, makes a little subtle move, and still gets a great block.

2:36:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, so Jonathan Taylor has to just kind of follow his blocks. And that right there. You didn't see that in years past. That's what gives you the home run runs is receivers' extra effort downfield. Like he could have stopped right there, which kind of looks like he does. Let's go get a piece because this could have been a tackle. Be careful. You're talking about a block in the back now? Yeah. It was close. I'd be pissed. He dove and missed them. He hit them on the shoulder. He hit them on the side, clearly. Got his left hand out of it on the shoulder. Good run by JT. Those holes are so big. I mean, anybody can fit through that.

2:37:14Huge. And it starts by having a fullback. I talk about this all the time. If there's no fullback there, they're out leveraged against the defense. And when you have the fullback, now you can work back a guy. And always work back. What a run.

2:37:23AQ Shipley:Yeah, that part right there. That's the special part.

2:37:26Pat McAfee:And then the celebration is sick as well, I will say. AJ, how do you stop it? You don't. You don't. You don't stop it. I mean, look at how many people he makes miss. You are not supposed to score on this play, and he does. This is awesome. Jonathan Taylor playing very good football right now. The Colts playing very good football. I would have played by Quentin Nelson, too. Like, what a great stat for Quentin Nelson. Are you kidding me? That's a great. And then he'll be the first one down there. Look at him. Bah, bah, bah. Quentin Nelson. We got to get down there. Boys, we did it, boys. We did it, boys.

2:37:53Pat McAfee:I love everything about it. If they're not number one, who is? Who's the number one performer? Oh. Okay. Hell yeah. All right. I understand what they did. They had to do it. Fair play. They had to do it. Fair play. The Detroit Lions, number one. And let's take a look at this right here. We got that super eye formation again, right? Now we're going to go over and debutt. AJ, talk a little bit how this affects you guys too because when you line up in that straight eye, you don't know where the strength of the formation is. And then they motion. So it holds the defense for half a second. Now you see them.

2:38:24They're trying to get adjusted to it. And then, boom, you snap it quick on them.

2:38:28AQ Shipley:That's more so for AJ with the close call. But, yeah, you're waiting. When that stacked, that humid centipede eye, you're waiting for them to shift down. They could also snap the ball there too. so just get their defense playing on the heels for sure. You're talking about the Soul Train line, the Konga line, the Dane's line. They're still trying to get lined up. Oh, now we get the nose guard down finally. And then they get everybody plussed over to the strength, and I always say it, whenever you run this duo play to the strong side, everybody overplays it, and when you overplay it, what's juicy, that big backside B cut.

2:39:01Watch Penesol and Ratledge open this thing up. Right tackle, right guard. Right guard, right tackle. Follow the circle. Boom. Take him inside. Take him out. Look at that hole, boys. Great vision. Jeez, Luis.

2:39:14Pat McAfee:Penne had to feel pretty good. Missing Van Nooyen. I mean, what a moment this is for Penne. Watch how cool Penne looks throughout the entirety of this thing. Okay, obviously going to have to get the edge. Let me go ahead and create a hole. Follow my ass. I got you. And then he just throws the guy to the ground, and then he just struck off. Yeah, what up. I love that. What a day for Penne. So he's been a guy since he got there. Yes, and he got the highest run blocking grade. PFF has ever given out in this game right here. Wow. For whatever that's worth. Take it as you will. Hey, really? I like that.

2:39:46Pat McAfee:Well, congrats to the top five offensive lines around the NFL. That normally bodes well for how your team's going to do the rest of the year if this follows the trend of last year's In the Trenches top five performing offensive lines of each week. Number one, Lions, two Colts. All right. Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, Washington Commanders, a lot of good football teams, a lot of good play callers. Detroit Lions, we should consider them be all the way back when it comes to play calling, play designing, and everything like that? This was cool for me to see this week because last week, I was a little concerned after week one.

2:40:13Last week, it was a lot of gadgets, a lot of creativity, a lot of shifts, motions, making it easy on the O-line. This week, they lined up and said, we're going to beat the shit out of you.

2:40:21Pat McAfee:No, we're going to put three guys in the backfield behind you.

2:40:23JJ Watt:Yeah, I think that's a Johnny Mo special, too, because I don't think Ben Johnson ever did this. First time we saw this, and they ran this play a lot.

2:40:30Pat McAfee:Well, what do you know, Johnny Mo? He said, I got three guys in the backfield. How about that?

2:40:35AQ Shipley:That play near the goal line, too. They had St. Brown pitched it. That was a hell of a play.

2:40:41Pat McAfee:Hand off, pitch, pitch.

2:40:42AQ Shipley:Yeah. That was a great pitch. Coming out of the quarter change, yeah, perfect. Go back to the second quarter, same formation, ran the quarterback sneak. So they set it up with the quarterback sneak with St. Brown offset to the left. And then they come back and run it. It's always setting it up. It's always setting it up. That's Johnny Mo.

2:40:58Pat McAfee:Up there in Mo. Congratulations. There it is. That's tough. That is tough. Is that Sonic and Knuckles? Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know if we can give 4-5. Not sure we can give Johnny Moe credit. I believe they ran that last year, Foxy. What do you mean? Pretty sure I saw a clip of 2019. Yes, you did. Taysom Hill and Kamara when Dan Campbell was with the Saints. Oh, it's a Dan Campbell player. Amon can make that pitch. Amon does everything for us. He's unbelievable, by the way. Yeah. St. Brown. So those three of Almond Ra and the two running backs is just. Congratulations to the Lions, number one offensive line after week three.

2:41:35Pat McAfee:Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to learn about the other side of the ball. It has been a staple of the program. It has made us all better and smarter. It's time to go everything DB, good D, and bad D. Darius, what do we have?

2:41:48AQ Shipley:Let's start with the good D, talking about highest rated games by PFF since we were holding their water today. 99.9 grade for Isaiah Rogers. Had an unbelievable game. Had a pick six that we've seen a couple times earlier throughout the week. And there's a little positive gain if you're the Bengals first and ten. Nope. Stripped it. Picked it up and took it back to the crib for his second touchdown. The only Vikings defender to ever score multiple TDs in the game. We've been talking about this punch out. You rarely see it from guys of his stature, especially on a big tight end. But when you attack that ball, strip it, pick it up, and then crib it.

2:42:25AQ Shipley:I mean, that's the trifecta. He is a special, special player. Big addition. to this Minnesota Vikings defense, and this is just an all – this is one of those games you dream about on Saturday night when you go to sleep, man. Big-time game by this guy. I'm going to score two touchdowns tomorrow.

2:42:38Pat McAfee:Yeah.

2:42:39AQ Shipley:NFC defensive player of the week, and obviously rightfully so.

2:42:42Pat McAfee:Very violent defense, though. Yes. On the zoom in there, the punch out very violent. The linebacker over there was violent. It feels like B-Flow's defense humming. Isaiah Rogers, perfect for them. We're also incredibly happy for Isaiah.

2:42:52AQ Shipley:Yeah, he bounced back. You know, you go through some shit. He was suspended for a year. You know, young player made some mistakes, former Colt. went and won a Super Bowl with the Eagles and then was a big time addition here. Eagles maybe even missing him a little bit because they're still trying to figure out who's going to be that other corner opposite of Quincy Mitchell. But yeah, he is making a great career for himself.

2:43:12Pat McAfee:Ryan Flores, a lot of good D. A lot of good D.

2:43:16AQ Shipley:Pause on that.

2:43:17JJ Watt:A lot of good defense.

2:43:21AQ Shipley:A lot of good D from B-Flow.

2:43:23Pat McAfee:Just good D everywhere. Isn't it? Oh, yeah. Get you some of this good D. Over here is good D. Over there is good D. Get some D button. Everywhere is good D. That is what it is. Good coach. Good ball coach. B-Flow is good D coach. Great ball coach. He'll coach you up on that D. Yeah. Great ball coach. You got an average D, he'll make it good D. That's what he did when he went to the Vikings. Without a doubt. That's why Kevin O 'Connell was like, KOC's like, I need that good D. Let me bring in Brian Flores. Yeah, he knew. He knew. No, that's what he said. KOC, when he was on the program, he said, when I become a head coach, the only D I need is Brian Flores' D in order for this team to kind of make it over the hump.

2:44:00Pat McAfee:And we will say Brian Flores' D has been perfect for KOC, and it's been sweet to see with that good old D over there with the Vikings. And that's something that we all skull. Skull. Skull. Skull about. It's hard not to. And then you blow that horn. Yeah. Kind of blow your lid out there. Everybody skulls. Yeah. We're down with the good D there. Is this more good D here? This is a great defense.

2:44:26AQ Shipley:Whenever you pitch a shutout in the National Football League, I don't care who you're playing against. It's tough to do, especially against a divisional opponent. Michael Penix Jr. had a very, very tough outing against his Panthers defense. Does he suck? That's too early to say. Zach Robinson, they made some changes. They fired their wide receiver coach. That should fix everything, right? That should fix everything. Wasn't he telling Penix, like, hey, dude, throw this ball here? You know what? But it's probably something that happened in the locker room for sure when something like that happens.

2:44:55AQ Shipley:But Smith-Wade, yeah, Smith-Wade in the slot here. You'll see him recover. Now, actually, this didn't start. It's great defense, in my opinion, because you run it here, and then you pause it right before he throws the ball. You got a dagger concept at the bottom of the screen. And he, Ray-Ray McLeod is going to be wide open coming in. Usually you want to hit this guy about two yards outside of the hash. He doesn't see him. Instead, he tries to go to the check down to the flat late, which you can never do in the NFL. Kenny Moore had a very similar pick six to start off the game against the Titans.

2:45:24AQ Shipley:Well, actually run it back a little bit. Start off the game against the Titans. So right here, maybe this is what fooled him. And we talk about it all the time with quarterback development, showing him something pre-snap and then rotating something different post-snap. So right now it looks like split safety. So possibly cover two, maybe some quarters, and then you rotate to a single high. Post-snap. So maybe he expected something differently pre-snap, rotated post-snap, didn't hit his read, tried to go to a check down, and paid dearly going to the flat lake.

2:45:53Pat McAfee:I have a question. So he put that person in motion. They put old buddy in motion. Stud. What's his name? Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts. He put Kyle Pitts in motion. It's not me in his zone. Yep. Okay, that's a reason why. That's a teller, indicator, whatever, because nobody's following. Yep. So whenever he takes a snap here, should his first look be to how many safeties are back there because he knows it's a zone? Is that his first look if you're a quarterback? Absolutely. So as soon as – Always got to see that. He potentially should see that this is one right here.

2:46:18AQ Shipley:Yeah, you're going to see middle close, middle open. That's one of the first things you're looking at because that changes the pass concept a lot of times for the wide receivers and the DBs, but wide open. And dagger, you run dagger against damn near any covers, you know, cover two, cover four, cover three. His guy, like, he's looking that way. I don't understand why he doesn't go kind of from the high to the low. That's how we're taught to defend routes. And he did a great job in the flat being patient and then breaking. We always talk about breaking on, like, indicators, breaking when the quarterback is ready to pass the ball, breaking the egg, some people call it, take their hand off the ball.

2:46:54AQ Shipley:He was an Aki-looking throw left side, but great job anticipating seeing it and then breaking and making him pay, taking it to the crib. There wasn't a bunch of pressure there either. It's not like he needed to. It was a head scratcher.

2:47:04Pat McAfee:He's young. He's young. Let the boy develop, okay, like Arch Manning down here in Texas and DJ Lagway over there in Florida. Let's let these guys develop, okay? We don't need these short leashes all the time. With that being said, there's a$180 million quarterback in backup.

2:47:22JJ Watt:Raheem Morris put that down pretty quick.

2:47:25Pat McAfee:Yeah, Kirk lost his job. We're nowhere near that. Next question. He did have a bad game. That's going to happen. Terrible game. Terrible game. No good. Downright. Absolutely terrible game. Yeah, it was bad.

2:47:38AQ Shipley:Let's bury the ball. That's bury the ball for sure. You never want to get shut out. Young quarterback or quarterback, I don't care. C.J. Stroud had a great rookie year, have been struggling since. Big moment in the game. It's fourth quarter, you're down a touchdown. In good field position right here. This was a great, once again, pre-snap disguise because right now this looks like man-to-man coverage. It's Jordan Lewis, one of the better slot corners in the league. Paid him some good money coming over from the Cowboys. And watch how he fooled. When I saw this live on TV, I'm like, what the hell is C.J.

2:48:09AQ Shipley:Stroud doing? I'm thinking it's just a flat defender that was there the whole time. He thought he had the seven route was wide open trying to sell it over the other man-to-man defender who would be on Dalton Schultz in the flat. Nope. Baited him. Had the vision. Saw him go out wide. Baited him into that throw. And it is still a terrible pick, you know, on film. But you got to feel that. You got to see that if you're a quarterback. But once again, showing a quarterback a pitcher pre-snap and then showing him something different post-snap is something you got to adjust and deal with. He baited butter.

2:48:39AQ Shipley:Baited butter. Yeah, he baited butter here. And Jacksonville got a team? Leading the league right now in interceptions. Travis Hunter playing defense? He is. He's playing a lot of defense. He's getting it. I think he's playing good. He has some bang-bang plays with Nico Collins. But he's playing good on both sides of the ball, I think, you know, as the season goes on. I feel like maybe a little lost in the sauce a little bit on offense right now. It's a lot he's got to figure out. A lot on his plate. I wonder if they go a little more, hey, just play this side of the ball for the next few weeks.

2:49:10AQ Shipley:Which would that be? that's on Liam because he's he's dynamic. Yeah, when he got the ball when he got the ball on Sunday, I mean, it was should have been a five-yard gain and it was like 15-yard first down.

2:49:23Pat McAfee:And then on defense look, we saw him covering this guy. He's a part of this play here, fourth quarter, obviously big play in the game. He's out there, locked down.

2:49:29AQ Shipley:Yeah. I had to choose, you know, offense. Talk about quarterbacks being paid a ton of money, being handed the keys. Number one pick, already got a second contract, new coach. Let's see what we got with this guy and you don't want one of your more talented players not really knowing where to line up and because you can't play you got to be able to just react and let those skills fully flourish

2:49:49Pat McAfee:maybe some situations defensively for sure that you kind of have him out there because he's obviously an insane athlete and has the capability of doing it and if they have a bunch of weapons on the other side maybe get him a chance to get there there he is with the ball in his hands yeah

2:50:01AQ Shipley:so you see some shit like that it's all right we gotta let's get the ball in this guy yeah see

2:50:06Pat McAfee:returning kicks to it? What do we got going on? Let's get him some touches, for sure. What were you going to say, AQ? It felt like you were going to say something. So, ETN's also, I think, number two or number three in the league in rushing. So, like, they have a very good run game. Their offensive line's drastically improved. They got the quarterback. They got some receivers. The tight end, Brenton Strange, has become a guy. So, like, they're pretty good. Yeah, they traded Tank Bigsby in their backup now. Basil Tootin, actual name. B-H-A-S-Y-L, I think. Tootin. very good. Has scored the last two games.

2:50:38He honestly almost compliments ETM better because he's a shorter, shiftier guy, whereas Tank was more so just like, hey, run right downhill right through a motherfucker's face.

2:50:48Pat McAfee:And Liam, good play designer and him, good play caller, right? Great play designer and great play caller.

2:50:52AQ Shipley:Okay, Jacksonville. How do we feel about the quarterback? Trevor Lawrence? There's still a lot left to see. He stinks! I think his stats were 20 of 40 this past week? 20?

2:51:04Pat McAfee:Hey, I'm getting the Hall of Fame, MLB. I mean, yeah. First bout? There's just still too many inconsistencies. Too many inconsistencies. And there's also decisions that are made that it's like, that's a bad decision. Yeah. Too many bonehead plays. Yeah. Still. Maybe you'll miss a throw. Like, that's going to happen. But, like, decision and missed throw. At this stage, I think a lot of people are like, when are we? When is it? Is it? Are we ever going to? Right? That's not what we're thinking. 100%. But, hey, we see it, though. It's there. There's moments of awesome. He's just got that little bit of Ryan Leaf still in him.

2:51:36And once he gets it out, he's going to really fly. Just kind of like lets it loose a little bit. Exactly. Just a little too loosey-goosey with it. Once you zero it in a little bit here, I mean, that boy, they might win the bowl. Liam will do that.

2:51:47Pat McAfee:Liam will do that. I think I trust him down there. And I'm seeing a graphic on the back that I have not seen before. Yeah, what is this?

2:51:54AQ Shipley:Liam's calling some good shit to AQ's point. Yeah, this is, I think, the first time we've had a quad box on everything. Look at a quad box. We've got circles on people. With a wide ass over. Yes, and it's not a good one. As you can see here, it's probably difficult for you to see him individually. But these were all four of Caleb Williams' touchdown passes. Now, there have been plays, and there always will be plays, where people, fans at home, hey, the guy was wide open. Why not hit? They had one actually earlier this year with DJ Moore, which was an adjustment. Why don't you hit him? So, to Caleb's credit, he hit the open, guys.

2:52:25AQ Shipley:Ben Johnson dialed up some good stuff. But let's get to the tape and see two of these touchdowns. I mean, you rarely see guys open like that in the National Football League. This is a flea flicker. Pause it. Cover three. On any level of football, cover three, what's the cornerback's responsibility? In cover three? Deep third. Deep third. So that's letting you know, top down. So you do not have a run responsibility. The only time you have a run responsibility is if your guy crack blocks, your wide receiver crack blocks, he makes the contact, and then you see the running back downfield, you make a tackle.

2:52:58AQ Shipley:10 yards down the field. You're a deep third guy. Let it play. So once the ball is tossed to the running back, you should not be firing up, especially when that receiver is doing that. There's no way you or the free safety should be reacting to a handoff or a toss behind the line of scrimmage. Because when you do, this is what's going to happen. And once again, credit to Caleb catching his ball and throwing the piss out of it. In stride, Luther Burton, the rookie, big-time play, 65 yards. That's a hunk.

2:53:25Pat McAfee:Yeah. Especially with that toss back. I mean, that thing was in the sky. It was like the toss he sent to Coach Johnson in the locker room. And then he puts that thing on the dime. Hell of a ball. The guy's wide open, obviously. Can't have it. Can't have it.

2:53:36AQ Shipley:You can't have it. But that's discipline. You are a deep third player.

2:53:40Pat McAfee:I mean, working perfectly.

2:53:42AQ Shipley:Learn from it. Yeah. We're going to hand this off.

2:53:44Pat McAfee:Everybody's going to jump. And then they'll be wide open. Like when somebody thought of the flea flicker, this was the exact reaction. Yeah, exactly.

2:53:51AQ Shipley:This is the exact reaction. This is like a Friday practice script for success. you tell the scout team corner hey get ready for a run here and then you run up but you you don't see guy you see flea flickers work but i mean for him to be this wide ass open once again a great throw uh from caleb williams to take advantage of why stay in bonds too the terrible job on defense and this is another one from the quad box cole commit now why why wing up top those two tight ends always has to be some communication between the flat defender who is the circle safety there and then the linebacker who's going to be relating to three.

2:54:26AQ Shipley:Sometimes even the cornerback, especially if that back is two. You just got to know because one of the things we see a lot on the wildfire are two scenes, right? So right here, I believe this would be like a cover three type look down in the low red area. Run fake, running back bites up, which he has run responsibility, but nobody takes the scene. Wide ass open. You would think, you know, tight ends. I mean, I don't get it. Like, I don't understand. Run fake actually helps him out a little bit. I think the run fake bringing three over to the two-man side, to the YY wing, it brings you naturally where you can see that vertical.

2:55:00You can turn and run with it a little bit. What the hell's going on over there, AJ? I don't know what coverage they're playing. I can't speak for what their responsibilities may be. But I'm sitting there. If I see YY wing, I'm thinking, I'm talking to my backers. Hey, tell me in the back is away pre-snap. I'm talking like, you let me know if you're with me or you're not. If he stays on that side, I know I don't have any help. If he comes over here to the YY wing, I got help inside. I can drop one back. Oh, I love that.

2:55:24Pat McAfee:That's Hall of Fame talk. That is Hall of Fame talk. I don't know what coverage they're playing, though, to be honest.

2:55:28AQ Shipley:Yeah, that's a problem. Whatever Hall of Famer, future Hall of Famer can look at the table and say, I don't know what they're playing. And you see a guy catch the ball. I don't know if it's a defender within 10 yards of him from the 10-yard line in the end zone. You don't see that once again.

2:55:42Pat McAfee:Caleb got real excited, threw some real sauce on this thing. And it almost makes it look like he's not as open. You know, because it's kind of a diving catch and it's a quick tap and everything like that. I don't think I realized how wide-ass open all these guys were until we saw this quad box. I was broached with the subject. Hey, we want to do a quad box for everything DB. I go, what do you want to do? And then he put the pictures up, and it's like, holy fuck. That's bad. That's four different plays? That is – because you see one blown assignment. You'll see an MA or whatever that happens. Four plays it's happening.

2:56:16Pat McAfee:Is this on purpose? What the hell is going on?

2:56:18AQ Shipley:I mean, questions need to be asked. but you rarely – the one we won't go over, DJ Moore. They're wired. I mean, look at them. Bottom right. What quadrant is that? Is that a quadrant? That's quad four. I'll say quad four right there, wide open in the middle end zone. Once again, no one near him. And then up top right, Trevon Diggs tried to do a quick jam. Fell, stumbled, and Roman Dune's eight right up the field. But once again, the quarterback, they got to hit him. They got to find the mistakes, and they got to hit him. So credit to him for hitting him. And to stay with the theme, two-minute right here.

2:56:48AQ Shipley:Tie ball game, divisional matchup, two-minute drive, Trevor Lawrence, Brian Thomas Jr., he was on good D a couple weeks ago. And now up top right here, these two guys circled. Paul, so whenever you're running the combo coverage here, and I'm going to assume this, whenever you're running the combo coverage, a big key in running the combo coverage of the corner safety, we got to be on the same level. Why? Because we want to see the same picture as the wide receivers release upfield. If I'm at five and you're at eight, we're going to see it and feel the speed differently. And then you have to have rules built into a combo coverage.

2:57:22AQ Shipley:One of the rules we used to always have, I was usually on the inside as a nickel or either a safety. If anybody hesitates as the inside defender, they come off slowly, I'm going to take that guy. I'm going to grab it just to clear it up because offenses do that intentionally to create confusion. So if you have that rule built in, that kind of will eliminate that confusion. So this is CJ GJ and Kamari Laster up there. So to me, if you run it back to the very beginning and hit play again, it looks like to me number two hesitates. Like he is not a full speed release. So he kind of hesitates them.

2:57:52AQ Shipley:So I would grab that. That's what CJGJ did. But the communication is key. We got to be on the same page. I can't be right and you be wrong or vice versa. So Kamari, I think he expects to grab that out route. And if it plays out perfectly, if you if you saw five seconds ahead of time, it will play out perfectly into a combat. I take the inside route, you take the outside route. Because of that hesitation, it fucks up who takes who. And then you've got Brian Thomas Jr. making a huge play in a two-minute drive. He needed it for the confidence. Trevor Lawrence needs it, and obviously the Jaguars need it, and it helped them win this game.

2:58:25AQ Shipley:But big-time miscommunication, I think, is not just something that happens on Sunday. This is walkthroughs. This is practice. This is meetings. Because a lot of every week you're going to get stacks, bunches, emotions. And especially when you put it on film like this, You're going to have to deal with it week in and week out.

2:58:41Pat McAfee:In fourth quarter, two minutes, Trevor Lawrence throws the seed.

2:58:44AQ Shipley:Just all the questions that were at.

2:58:46Pat McAfee:Hey, Q, that's for you. Obviously, the Houston Texans have a lot of questions right now. CJ, GJ no longer with the team.

2:58:51AQ Shipley:Yeah, and who knows what all went into it. And then right here at the end of the play. Oh, they didn't show it. But at the end of the play, Kamari Lasseter kind of goes and looks back immediately. As soon as she pushes him out of bounds, and it was like, it's not on the replay, but he gives him one of these. He's like looking at obviously the safety, like what the hell is going on now? You know, in the DB room, that might have been a fine because you don't put each other on blast. But you're in a tough spot because everybody that's watching, Kamari Lassner, man, you can't keep up with the guys.

2:59:23AQ Shipley:Cover him, cover the dude. So it's a tough spot to be in. But communication leading up to these plays, you never know when they're going to show up. Stacks, bunches. Great release, but you mentioned that like that delay release when they stack behind each other. That makes it so tough when you're in that combo coverage. You're right. You see CJ, CJ, he knows he's jumping down trying to clamp that underneath guy. But, yeah, look how he hesitated. Oh, boom. I'll take you out of here. Yeah. Man. That's good play design. Yeah, because if they just come out and run those routes, same speed, it'll fit perfectly.

2:59:56AQ Shipley:In theory. We both have leverage. I take the out, you take the in. But when they come out and run it with that little sauce, a little hesitation on it, fucks everything up.

3:00:04Pat McAfee:Hey, that's good shit. Everything DB, good DB.

3:00:06AQ Shipley:bad dig good in the trenches oh yeah aj hawker great work today bud congrats on the nomination

3:00:13Pat McAfee:for the pro football hall of fame that is cool dude it is cool as a three-time nominee myself it is a cool thing but also uh let's not let it affect our lives yes that's how you feel too yeah yeah of course yeah it's not effective yeah we're good but boy if you get it that'd be so cool How can I not affect you? Yeah, you're right, especially for A.J. Hawk. For the first time really ever, getting the nod of, like, yeah, you've done all-time leading tackler for one of the oldest franchises in all sports.

3:00:44AQ Shipley:Put him in a fucking ring of honor.

3:00:46Pat McAfee:No.

3:00:48AQ Shipley:Green Bay, that's where it starts.

3:00:50Pat McAfee:He's all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers.

3:00:52JJ Watt:A.J. knows there's not a whole lot of numbers retired for the Packers.

3:00:56Pat McAfee:Well, and Curly's isn't even retired anymore. Yeah, exactly. I don't know what you got to do. I don't know if you're going to be able to do more than Curly did for the Green Bay Packers. Tone, anything we didn't hit today that we need to chit-chat about on our way out? No, I think we're all good. All right, why don't you come out here? Why don't you come out here? Ladies and gentlemen, we are incredibly lucky to be able to do this. We have a conversation with Cam Bynum we're about to run that we had yesterday. He is awesome. He is incredible. And we're incredibly lucky that he's in our city and that the Indianapolis Colts are good again.

3:01:23Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. Feels like that is real. Thank you. We appreciate you. Appreciate you guys. Great work this week. Appreciate you. You too, brother. All right, boys. Be your friend. Tell your friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. See you all tomorrow. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man that has brought so much positive energy seemingly everywhere he has gone. Whether that's Cal out there in Berkeley, which don't love what happened to San Politelli this past Saturday, but I do love what they're doing out there.

3:01:53Pat McAfee:Then to the Minnesota Vikings, where he and his crew on defense had the most legendary celebrations the NFL has ever seen. And they weren't this tasteful or disrespectful. They were just well thought out and well executed. And there was a juice to that team that seemed very special. So much so that Chris Ballard said, hey, we need some of that. And thank God we did. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who leads the NFL in interceptions. I think he's top five in pass breakups. And he has the greatest celebrations in the history of sports. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Indianapolis Colts, Cam Biner. Appreciate y 'all having me.

3:02:26Glad to be here. Appreciate y 'all having me in Indy, first of all. Yeah, it's been a fun few weeks. First three games, 3-0 here in Indy. You have no idea how fun these first games are. No, I bet. I've been having, especially for us to start the season hot like we did. I'm like, this is the best possible scenario coming to a different city. And I can tell the energy is just rising here.

3:02:47Pat McAfee:I appreciate the fact that there was an obvious omission of things to our roster. In this offseason, it was all kind of taken care of. We needed juice. For sure. Okay? 100%. Bring in the juice guy. And the juice is awesome. We're talking every single play. I'm talking my shoulders are sore after the game. Not from hitting, from turning up the crowd. Yeah, we got boulder shoulders at all times, let alone everything else that I assume is infectious throughout the rest of the locker room. Quarterback, obviously. We need somebody that's able to be consistent and also operate the offense and also has played ball before and seen it.

3:03:20Pat McAfee:Because this is a veteran team. Does it feel like that in the locker room? It feels like there's a bunch of, you know, guys that have played a lot of football, but also still young as far as not a bunch of guys taking vet days, not a bunch of, you know, old guys that are like almost borderline out of their game. It's like kind of like a veteran prime right now for a lot of our guys. And just being surrounded by so many vets is cool because I feel like a vet, but I'm only a year five. I'm around guys like Kenny Moore, Buckner, Grove, all these guys that are year eight, nine, ten. And it's just cool being around that because it's pushing me to a different level of play.

3:03:54And I'm over here trying to be the best player on defense surrounded by these guys. And everybody's trying to be the best player in their respective roles. So it's just making a collective energy of we're all trying to be the best and win.

3:04:05Pat McAfee:Bringing in Lou Anarumo as the DC was a huge deal this offseason. We're all very excited. We know Paisan pretty well. And we've had a chance to catch up with him whenever he was with Cincinnati. Obviously, with the way it ended there, it felt like what is Lou Anarumo going to do next? Our team has always had a lot of talent. So we actually go to the games. So a lot of people don't. We go to all the Colts games, home games. We're there. I'm there where you see it. And, well, not all of them. I guess last game didn't go last year. Well, yeah, but all of them. You've been to every game I've been there.

3:04:33Pat McAfee:So I'm like, that's all I know. Cam, I'm the number one bottom fan. What you have brought to the team is what I think the team needed when it comes to everything else. We'll get into it. But Lou Anarumo coming to the defense, and then the signings that we made. What have you felt with the team? because we've always had talent, and that's the thing that was kind of missing with the rest of national media. Because we saw the team and because we're here, we knew there was a lot of talent, a lot of money on that team too. A lot of guys have been through their first contract, into their second contract on the Colts.

3:05:02Pat McAfee:And for one reason or another, we just haven't had massive success. When you get here, what's Lou Anarumo like? And then were you surprised by how much talent was on the roster, especially because the Colts very rarely get talked about in that particular fashion? Yeah, I was surprised with the amount of talent that we had just because it's one of those teams that I didn't pay much attention to. I've played the Colts twice in my career when I was with Minnesota. I want to talk about those games because I'm on the good side of it now here in Indy. Yes, you are. What happened? It was historic. We'll let Twitter come and bring that back up because I know they will.

3:05:36Oh, 33-0. You were calling a game and you realized that. The game was over. We beat the shit out of the Vikings. Yeah, that's what it was.

3:05:43Pat McAfee:Jeff Sardy is the greatest coach of all time. Oh, yeah. Orange slices at halftime. First half. Yeah. But, yeah. First half. It was the first. What did you guys say? I'll still throw my shots. I'm still a competitor. So, what did you guys say at halftime there, though? Just so. Pat Pete. So, when you talk about juice, like me being the juice guy here, Pat Pete was our juice guy that year. So, he was in the locker room. We're down 33-0. He said, all we need is five stops, guys. And everybody's like, low key. He said, all we need is five stops. So, one at a time, offense scored. We're like, all right, that's one stop.

3:06:15So, he's counting them down on the sideline. And what do you know? It's tied up. And we're like, oh, wow, this might actually work out.

3:06:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, it might. Yeah, it might. Now that you're on the other side of it, obviously, we're lucky to have you over here. And Pat P, fucking relax. Okay, we need you to relax. Great leader. One of the best football players of all time. Great. Pat P in that whole thing. But whatever you talk about, you're an NFC, obviously. We're an AFC team. And we're an AFC team that hasn't made the playoffs in a while. So I understand whenever you say you don't really get a chance to pay attention to them enough. But when you get in the locker room, what do you realize about the locker room? And then also Lou Anarumo.

3:06:46Yeah, I think just what we realized in the locker room is that we're a solid team. I think it didn't come by surprise with anybody. The belief, I think, and that's another thing that Lou brought, and especially from management, bringing these guys in, bringing me in, bringing Mooney Ward, and just putting this team together that they assembled this year. I feel like they believe that we can do something, and that started in the offseason just by seeing them making the moves in free agency that I heard wasn't normal for them to make in the past, having signings, big signings like they did with me, with Mooney, on defense specifically.

3:07:21So having to really go through that, knowing that the coaches and the staff is on board with making a change, then you get a defensive coach like Lou that's aggressive. He's holding everybody accountable. He's yelling at all of us. As a vet, guys that got paid, he's holding us accountable. Rookies, he's still going to yell at a rookie equally as much as he'll yell at Buck, at Grove, all the guys that have been here forever. So I think that's really the standard that we have, that no matter who you are, you're going to be held accountable, but it's going to be all for the betterment of the team.

3:07:52So I think that it really created an energy of, okay, our expectation is to win. And that's really – it started in the offseason by picking us up and really making moves in free agency.

3:08:03Pat McAfee:Oh, I love hearing everything about that. That sounds like a winning football team. There's a lot of shit coming out of Indianapolis the last few years that did not sound like a winning football team. I'm happy they addressed it. The big three, their first season, D-Bot. I love it. Casey, Kalen, Carly is the ownership. We got some major players all of a sudden. Go ahead, D-Bud.

3:08:18AQ Shipley:Absolutely. You talk about a winning football team. You need a quarterback. For sure. And Dan Jones came in. A.R. was a quarterback battle. It's something you never really want to be a part of when you're on a team. But Dan Jones, you know, he won the job. And we see why. You know, coming from week one all the way to week three, he's been on fire. The offense has been on fire. What did you see from him throughout the offseason and then throughout training camp and then obviously through these four weeks, not only on the field but off the field, kind of in the locker room? Yeah, so what I've seen from him, well, we got history.

3:08:46He knocked us out the playoffs in 2022. Oh, when was that? With the Giants. Oh, that was it.

3:08:51AQ Shipley:Yeah, a little gift back. So then he knocked me out the playoffs then. Then last season he was with the Vikings on the P squad for the second half of the season. So I just saw the way that he was working. Even when he was on practice squad, he was taking those scout team reps going against our starting defense. and he was trying to dice us up and he was going out there treating it as if it's a game, really like having intentful practices, knowing that, okay, I'm using this time to get better because next season when I get my shot, he's going to take it and run with it. So when he got to Indy, it was really the same mindset.

3:09:25He was locked in, extra work, just seeing him long hours there, just always put the work in. So now when we went through training camp, it wasn't a surprise that he was playing well and just being consistent and just playing good football. ended up winning the spot and for me i never had a doubt in my mind that he would you know turn things around he caught so much uh you know negative negativity from the world and the football world on the media but it's like you see that you you get in a place where they believe in you and they have a collective belief in support a quarterback you see what he's doing now yeah right now he's looking like the best in the league and he's leading us the three and oh offense putting up 42 points the last game 29 points a week before 33 week one so it's like even if we even if we're having bad games on defense our offense still would still carry us to a win so it's like at the end of the day he's getting the job done and doing it well and protecting the ball first and foremost yeah you're not having bad days on defense which is great uh

3:10:21Pat McAfee:you're talking about protecting the ball conti who you obviously know now this guy's a legend you know need to know that matt conti's a legend he's a penn state or two huge weekend up there Oh, yeah. The Colts have committed zero turnovers this season, making the first time in franchise history the team hasn't turned the ball over through the first three weeks of the season. For the defense, obviously, put the fire out or quick change or anything like that is always talked about. Them not turning the ball over. Can you talk about all three phases coming together, including the punter? Hell, yeah.

3:10:48Pat McAfee:Punted one time in three games? That's wild. Good punt. It was a good punt. Do you know how bad I wanted us to go for it on fourth down, regardless of anything? I just wanted to keep his streak going of not playing. So I was like, can we just go for it? I don't care if it's fourth and 20. Just go for it. So my only question is this. Complimentary football hits immediately with a lot of new pieces. Everybody's flying around. Brand new defense coordinator. Defense plays spectacular. Brand new quarterback. Offense playing spectacular. Special teams. Kickers making kicks. Shout out to Spencer Schrader.

3:11:20Pat McAfee:Can't be using leverage on guys. No, of course not. Know the rules. Yeah, learn the rules. You can't do that. That is illegal. but that happening this quickly into the like brand new era of this team i guess the question is is there still like long season what is the thought to kind of carry that and to continue to build i assume you all think that you're nowhere near where you can be because how fresh everything is for sure is that how i should be viewing it as well as a colts fan yeah i think we haven't played our best ball yet especially i'm speaking for me as a defensive player there's a lot of stuff that we left on the field even with these games we've had turnovers pick six you know strip sacks everything we've had but we feel like we haven't played our best ball even on offense getting down to the red zone and just kicking field goals special teams giving up you know an extra 10 yards on a return so little small things that we're still like guys we got to get better on but we like where we're at I think we set the foundation of what the year is going to be like first game interception first series last game pick six first series offense scoring the amount of points that they're scoring every single half I think the foundation the expectation is set so the rest of the season it's like if we if we're anything less than what we've been it'll be a letdown for us so i think that's the best yeah we're expecting pick six i'm expecting 17 and like that's the energy we went to the the luncheon the team luncheon before season before right after training camp and we're up there talking you know the leaders are giving their little speeches and i'm up there talking people probably look to me crazy but i said i'm expecting a super bowl out of us and it probably sounds crazy from a new guy like me coming to you know talk to the whole all the donors and all the people sponsoring the team and the whole team the whole staff ownership and i went on stage and was like i expect the super bowl that's the expectation to win every game we fall short anywhere oh well but my expectation is a super bowl hell yeah that's how we work i think every team thinks that right every team's supposed to think that but i think also whenever you see what you guys were building at the time at training not a lot of talk about training camp other than anthony richardson danny dives right the rest of the team wasn't even chatted about.

3:13:18Pat McAfee:Had no idea that Quentin Nelson became a fucking vocal leader. He's different. He is. He's different. He's jumping around. He's a dog. If a running back scores, he sprints to the end zone to go celebrate with them. He's over here high-fiving the defense. Good way to run to the ball. I'm like, you're on the other side. You should not be happy about that. But it's just a leadership thing that he's becoming. He's picking up. Your first year. I didn't know that. I'm thinking this is him. Ryan Kelly was the center. leader. Coachman in Minnesota. Now he's in Minnesota. Did two of our linemen from the Colts?

3:13:52Yeah, to pay for you. We just traded people. To pay for you, we had to do that whole thing. Shout out to them. Yeah, shout out to them. Certainly shout out to them for what they did for the Colts.

3:13:59Pat McAfee:But Ryan Kelly had been here a long time. And he's the center. So the center, normally the natural leader of the offensive line. And also been there a long time. So I think maybe Quentin wasn't empowered to be a vocal leader. But I think he saw the way everything was going. And I love what I'm seeing from the mic'd up shit out of him. I don't know what the rest of the building looks like. How many of those guys are there on the team? A lot of people that understand the sense of urgency, you think? I think there's a lot, especially like we said. There's so many vets on the team, so everybody's comfortable talking, but nobody talks too much to where it's like, okay, you're doing too much.

3:14:31You're trying too hard to be a leader. Everybody has their natural leadership role. For me, it's the lead by example, lead with energy. For Isaiah Franklin, it's the I'm turnt up, I'm going to run through your face type of leadership. Kenny, you know what you're going to get. He has his finesse and his swag, and he's still going to be like a leader. So, like, just those three pieces on defense with Mooney just being locked in, knowing he's going to lock things up on the outside. Everybody has their certain type of leadership. Then on the offense, obviously quarterback Danny Dimes, he's a little more quiet, but, you know, he's still making sure everything is operating well.

3:15:04But Q, he's a vocal leader. He's running everything. That's awesome. Incredible. Like, just everything. So you get a little bit of everything from everybody to the point where everybody is, like, locked in on their certain role where nobody's overstepping their boundaries of, okay, this guy needs to calm down. He's trying too hard. So it's a natural leadership in this locker room.

3:15:24Pat McAfee:Anybody missing team meetings or treatments or anything like that? No. There you go. Never. That's a huge deal. That's an expectation just around the league. Like, you don't do that. I agree. You're not late. You don't miss meetings. Yeah. You will get fine one. The money's one thing, but the embarrassment, if you miss it and coach puts you on the spot, it's like nobody wants to be that guy that's late and has to talk in front of the team and give your excuse. This offseason, the transition into, like, elite kind of operating and elite leadership is wonderful. I don't know how the hell it happened.

3:15:57Pat McAfee:It might have just been you coming. I hope I had a part of it. You did, brother. You did. I hope so. It's why any of those Cadillac Escalades that you're going to be trying to triple down on, he's got – this thing is a spaceship. Gorgeous. I don't know if it's bulletproof. It fucking looked like it. It looks like it. Don't try it. Don't test it, though. Yeah, please don't. Please don't. Connor has a question for you. So, with the offseason, you know, bringing in players, it was also kind of like, hey, Shane Steichen better figure this out when it comes to, you know, hey, Coach, kind of like a hot seat prove it year, if you will.

3:16:29We kind of called him Scheidsteichen. We did not. I called him. We, we, we called him Shite Steichen for a little. It's much different now. I mean, I think we could even say maybe like a sweet Steichen, maybe a shine Steichen now because of how well he is. But as a defensive guy, you've now played for two, you know, offensive guru coaches with KFC and Steichen. What are kind of the similarities between the two? Because for us, we always thought Steichen was the guy. But, you know, this is the first year you've really kind of seen it where the offense is perfect, no turnovers, you know, guys are running wide open.

3:17:05What are the similarities between the two, you know, on game day and then also just in the building? Because he is kind of that leader, that guy on offense. But as a defensive guy, I'm not sure if you guys interact as much. Yeah, I think as a head coach, I think one thing Steichen does well is actually operating with the whole team. He'll sit in on defensive meetings, he'll sit in on special teams, and obviously be with the offense because he's in charge of the offense. But that's one thing that he does well is knowing all the players to where everybody can vouch for him and be like, OK, I've I've had a conversation with him.

3:17:40Coach knows who I am. He talks to everybody pretty much exactly the same. Then on top of that, on the football part, I think one thing, the big part of success is how a head coach operates with the quarterback, just the confidence that they can give a quarterback and really putting them in position to succeed with the plays they called. you know just certain things little small things how you start the game let's not go for a shot first play let's get your rhythm and that's basic around the league but I see in our offense how consistent our offense has been and it's been nothing flashy everything's been just consistent and you see coaches putting everybody every single player on that offense especially the quarterback in position to succeed so and I think that's really what I've seen from coming from Minnesota what he's been what KO's been able to do with the quarterbacks there then coming here seeing what Shane is doing, it's like, okay, that's the blueprint.

3:18:30When you really instill that belief in a quarterback that they can do something well and they can operate this offense where the quarterback knows, okay, I got this, it's easy from there.

3:18:40Pat McAfee:Shane talked shit to you guys during practice or no? Any interaction? He's fiery, I'm not going to lie. Especially during joint practice to the other team, he'll bring the huddle in and look at all of us in the eyes. He'll say some crazy stuff like, let's go, we got to run through this team. Like, he's a competitor. That's one thing I love about Shane. Like, he's an ultra competitor, and he's exciting. Like, he gets turned up. I like to hear that. I like to hear that. He's one of those guys that gets loose. He says shoot and dat gum and stuff, and you never really know. Good shoes. Gracious to Pete.

3:19:14Pat McAfee:Yeah, all that stuff. You never really know what's in his soul. But he was with Phil Rivers, remember? That's a good point. And we remember Phil Rivers being one of the greatest shit talkers in the history of sport without ever swearing. How old was that? 98-yard touchdown. To that D-Tag. Jacksonville, yeah. The guy that helped him up. Yeah, yeah. That was Ngakwe, who played here for a little bit. That's what I'm saying. So if Shane Steinkins got that in him, I didn't know we had that on the same day. Shane's a dog, I'm not going to lie. There you go. You have to come to the locker room one day.

3:19:42I doubt it. Shane's a dog. They will not let you in there.

3:19:45Pat McAfee:Yeah, we got some trade pieces. I keep scoring touchdowns. Well, they do.

3:19:49JJ Watt:Ty has a question for you. You mentioned the expectation, 17-0, and winning a Super Bowl. And I know that this is your first year, so I don't know how much you got to meet Mr. Ursae or what your relationship was like with him before he passed away. But looking at it, it seems like almost, you know, like what's happened so far early here. Like you guys are being lifted by a higher power or like there's something else going on there. Like the vibes are great. And I understand it's a week-to-week league. But like early right now, as you look at it, does it feel like, you know what, this actually does feel a little bit more special maybe than like some of my other seasons in the league.

3:20:24JJ Watt:because I don't know if you realize this, but if you guys do do that, if you win a Super Bowl, there is 1 ,000 % going to be a movie made about this season. Yeah, rest in peace to the legend. So maybe also start thinking about who you'd want to play you in that movie as well. But does it feel different? I might have to be in it myself. Just film it in the offseason. We can definitely make that happen. Good charisma, good monster. I would easily do that. But, yeah, I think really just the whole – you know, I was never able to meet him, but I feel like I've known him because I've obviously met all the daughters Carly and all the sisters and you see how they operate things and how well they treat people and really just the whole franchise of how it's really a family-ran business and it was a surprise to me when I got here like how much I felt like I was at home and being like with a family and that's something that struck me as soon as I got there I was like wow it feels like I've been here for a while and really that started with the ownership and how involved they are in a good way never overstepping their boundaries never doing too much but being involved where you're like okay I can respect how much you actually care about this team and you're not just you know a rich person that buys a team and just all right y 'all figure it out she's in there learning football learning coverages asking us questions not because she's trying to be you know overstepping like I said but really genuine genuinely curious okay how does this football stuff work so when she's on the sidelines she's locked in and really doing that just like I said just trying to learn just out of love for the team and love for the game.

3:21:52And I see where it comes from, her dad and all the stories that I hear, like how much he really loved on every single person and how, you know, all the stories you hear about he took care of every single person that needed something and more. So I think this year we're for sure, we're having that in the back of our mind. Like we want to honor their family by playing hard and just doing things the right way, just playing ball, just practicing hard and everything will fall in its place. I know I'm going to say 17-0, but it's the NFL. Like you never know what can happen, but we want to go out every single day and be okay with the work that we put in and take pride in every single thing that we put in and knowing that, okay, they're putting us in position to have everything that we need with good ownership, with, you know, taking care of everything so we can just go play ball at a high level.

3:22:37And that's really our only goal is to honor them with the way we work.

3:22:40Pat McAfee:I love to hear that. Love everything you're saying. And I think that's a good call about the family environment. A lot of those people, and I thought it was a smart play by you not to try to name all three names because if you get one wrong, you're in a bad spot. Carly, Kalen, and Casey are the three daughters. I know the names. Yeah, of course, of course, of course. I didn't want to stutter. Yeah, yeah, smart. And also, don't leave. Yeah, don't leave someone down. Yeah, you're early in the stint here. You did the right play there. The Ursaids. Yeah, bingo. The big three. The big three. The big three up there.

3:23:05Pat McAfee:The big three. But they've been around it their whole life, obviously, just like Jim has. But the people in that building, a lot of them that are in very powerful positions, whether it's in business marketing or treatment or equipment room, all that different place. They've been there since like 1987, whenever the team came here. That's crazy. Yeah, so you're talking about a lot of history, a lot of different eras. Right, and that says a lot. Like the fact that people want to stay there for that long in a place where, you know, there's been ups and downs in the franchise. Oh, yeah. But for them to stay steady and still love the city.

3:23:37Whoa! There's been a lot of downs as of late. I'm just going to say it. I've been asking for my past. He's the hater of the group. No, no, no. He's a Patriots fan. I'm a Patriots fan, but also, I mean, I live in the city. Okay, Kim? I'm damn near paying for the place you're working. He's paying his taxes. It's not like I'm just some guy. I don't like the Colts. I'm donating to the damn team. Yeah, if I don't like the product. You help me eat every day then. Exactly. Also at every game. Also at every game. And to that point, this has been the best environment the Wild House has had. in, I mean, shoot, five years since I've been here, since 2018, whatever.

3:24:15Do you feel that? Is it similar to Minnesota? Because Minnesota also, we love the school. We think that's one of the coolest things. First of all, all the Colts fans, we have to come up with a chant to do in the stadium. I'm going to put that on you, Pat. You've got to come up with something. Whether you get on the mic before every game. We need something to turn up the whole stadium. But I feel like, especially that Denver game, you know, first game, the fans are filling us out. Okay, what's the season going to be like? okay successful game but the second game home game in a row that's the first time i felt like okay this is this is different here in indianapolis and it's not obviously i knew there was good things about lucas oil but obviously i played in minnesota so i knew that that's one of the best environments but that it paralleled minnesota playing that game that denver game especially how the game ended it was one of those times where i'm like all right i actually have to speak up on defense and I could barely hear myself talk to my teammates.

3:25:09Pat McAfee:Okay, let's keep that going. Let's keep that going. So fans, we have to keep showing up. Players, we got to keep making plays. Players, we got to keep winning. Because I know winning is everything. We got to keep going to team meetings on time. Yes. Don't be late. Let's do the process. Let's do it all. But I think what we saw week one when you guys came out as a team, thought that was sick. So cool. Like, love that. Thought you were maybe going to do that all year. Thought maybe that was going to be a thing, but that was for the boss. I respect it. So then you guys do the introduction for the second game.

3:25:36Pat McAfee:I'm like, oh, I hope we're not. They're breaking a new tradition. And then you guys crushed. And it was like. At this point, it doesn't matter what we do. We can come out and play. Colts fans are waiting for this. The Loud House and Louisa Stadium is waiting for this. Because you've got to remember the run with Peyton and the boys that I was very lucky to be a part of. Then Andrew Luck, that run. It was like expectations were like super, super bowl, super bowl. All of a sudden. And then we weren't making the playoffs. We haven't won AFC South in, what, 11 years or something like that. I think it's 11 or 12 years.

3:26:06Pat McAfee:having won the AFC South and people talk about divisions and it's like all those things just started piling up I think on Colts fans so whenever we start hearing why this shit's happening from behind the scenes and I don't want to say I speak for everybody because there's certainly a lot of people on the internet who disagreed with me at the time they don't know ball but now it is like everything we had hoped for right and you're a massive piece of that is kind of coming to fruition and just know this city this state and everybody will be around you and rally around you and we'll enjoy the hell out of the run alongside of you so if you want to go ahead and do more dances with blue you fucking do it yeah i will you want to get more it's gonna get more extravagant however you say that extravagant yeah yeah put a k in there yeah certainly um i was told potentially from source says that that was not a planned out celebration no i i had that in the back of my mind do a celebration with blue but we were supposed to do a group celebration there with um z z and kenny but i saw blue there so i'm like all right the energy is up blue is right here i'm doing the hip thrust.

3:27:06And I got away with the fine because I don't know how I did not get fined.

3:27:09Pat McAfee:Well, that's because Blue's throwing his shit at all. Yeah, Blue's thrusting way harder than I was. He got it. Find the mascot, not me. Well, Blue's certainly throwing that thing. And he will. He will. Hey, Blue's one of the best mascots in all of sports. Best ever. Yeah, he is. And he's hot on the football throw from the second level. I don't know how he's made it every single time I've seen him do it. Yes. I'm like, that's actually crazy. Well, there's a game to it here. Because sometimes he'll make it too quick. And people are like, everybody take a look at the window. Blue is throwing from the sky.

3:27:43Pat McAfee:You know, and everybody, as people are trying to figure out what's happening, and he makes it on like the second throw, it's already over. Nobody even knows what happened. So there's a fine line there where he's got to lethal shooter it a little bit. He's got to miss and understand it. I understand it now. So there's a little bit of that happening. But he's an incredible athlete. This one, where you start bouncing around. I was hoping for the kip up at the end like old buddy did in the original. Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye. See, my foot slipped because I wanted to be dramatic and go for like 20 more yards.

3:28:14Just all the way up. Up the whole sideline in front of the dog. Tunnel. But my foot slipped on the turf. I was like, all right, I got to cut it. Let me high five everybody. Start getting my shoulder raises in. How many in the back of your mind at all times? Celebrations. I got three a week in case. I need a solo because in case a teammate that I plan a group celebration with doesn't make it to the end zone, I got to hit my solo. Then I got to have like a specific one with like me and Kenny or in Minnesota it's me and Metellus. Then I need a full team one. So every week I'm going in there with three on my mind.

3:28:47Pat McAfee:Chuck Pagano says have a plan. Have a plan because we expect to take the ball. Bingo. First and foremost, we're not dancing for no reason. We're going to run a fake field goal. were supposed to where I was going to score a touchdown. And Chuck's big piece of advice was have a plan when you get in that end zone. Don't look like an Asheville. I was like, all right, all right. Look like you've been there. I was like, thank you. That's actually a good call. I should think ahead a little bit. So I had a magic trick I was going to do anyways. Yeah, it was going to be a whole thing, 15 yards. Vinatieri was going to have to kick a 45-yard extra point.

3:29:16Pat McAfee:Maybe even a 50-yard extra. Oh, well. It's worth the moment. It certainly is. It doesn't matter. Hey, you're worth every dollar that we've paid you to come here to Indianapolis already. We appreciate you so much. You're the man. Good luck the rest of the season. And thank you for coming to our city. Thank you guys for having me. Appreciate it. Shout out to Indy for making me feel like at home. You have a YouTube. I saw a camera. Yeah, shout out to YouTube at Cam Bynum. Weekly vlogs of my game preparation and just at home life. So tap in, y 'all. I like that. We will. Subscribe. Ring the bell. Yeah, ring the bell.

3:29:46Pat McAfee:Do the whole thing. Ladies and gentlemen, Cam Bynum. Yeah.